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Rec away! I hadn't really thought about it past "hmmm, my GW saw is too big to get in there..." - and didn't really have the time to think about it seriously before. (Part of the original frustration was jut not realising how blunt my hobby knife was!) Now, different story - though in this case, most of the hard work has already been done... Of course, the advantage of Orks is the rough cut result will actually look more Orky

Looking good.
Those rings look a bit sturdier than the wrap-around strips you were experimenting with before (from what I could make out anyway) and the whole thing's come together nicely. Been toying with the idea of enclosed rotors for some of my koptas, if I go ahead with any of those designs I'll use a similar method for the ring.

Cuning placement of the killa kan arm and overall impressive conversion!

This is a company I've ordered from for many years, very reliable and will sell to the general public (they're a jeweler's supply company).

These are my suggestions but dig around and use the search function to take a look-see at what they have...

Saw frame: (even the good ones are cheap)
http://www.riogrande.com/MemberArea/ProductPage.aspx?assetname=110041&page=GRID&free_text|1278971178827=jeweler's+saw

Saw blades: (the expensive part... but they come in large quantities because if you're using the professionally you'll go through them quickly) I'll have to check on size... for metal I use 1/0 or 2/0... think you'd want larger (1 or 2) for plastic or the blade will get fouled too quickly. When I get back to my bench I'll do some checking. Maybe there is one size that will work well for both (I don't pay much attention, I just cut)
http://www.riogrande.com/MemberArea/ProductPage.aspx?assetName=110098&page=GRID&free_text|1278971317796=Rio+Saw+Blades

Lastly the bench pin: You can spend an extra $10 an get a little anvil topped clamp to attach it to your bench, or you can use a C-clamp if you already have one. I cut my own notches in mine, but for an extra $2 you can get a pre-notched one.
http://www.riogrande.com/MemberArea/ProductPage.aspx?assetname=110028&page=GRID&free_text|1278971383995=bench+pin

If you get nothing else... get the pin. I use it to support my work or hands on nearly everything I work on... modeling or painting. Of course I'm older and shakier than I used to be.

Total < $40, but you won't need to buy new blades... well, ever (you get 144) unless you want a different size. Unfortunately they didn't have assortments of the cheaper blades like they used to. Though they just might be out of stock.

Cool! My only gripe would be the exhausts; I feel they should be facing backwards instead of sideways, but that's a minior nitpick. The attachment of the buzzsaw is pretty cool, and the two rotors look great; will you be adding some structural support between the tail and the back of the seat? It looks a tad empty right now.

@everyone: Thanks!

@monkeytroll: I'll keep a look out for your enclosed rotor koptas... Yes, the new rings are sturdier too!

@Rose_Mountainz: I'm a bit concerned the buzzsaw arm is a bit overpowering - I may remove the articulated joint at the wrist before I am done - but I'll wait until more of the Deffkopta is completed to get a better idea of relative size...

@Gitsplitta: I will digest all of that later

@CommissarKhaine: I chose the engines and exhausts for the best fit. The orientation for the width and also because of the lack of detail on the sides - didn't need it obscuring/getting in the way of the rotors. That being said, I didn't give the exhausts much thought other than it didn't look wrong in their original orientation. I could chop them off and re-orient them to face backwards. I think I'll keep this in the back of my mind for now - other details still to be added may change my mind again, and I don't want to be endlessly reorientating them! The space behind the seat is currently deliberately spartan - as this is where the wings with Rokkit and Big Bomb mounts are going Might work on these tonight...

Arakasi

Rokkits and Big Bomb! Yay! . Your reasoning sounds solid, so I'll eagerly await new pics

Rocketting Rotors Batman.... that's one very cool looking kopter.

Can't wait to blow it out of the sky! (or more likely... fail to)

Inspired by all of your comments - I have worked tirelessly into the morning to get the back wing, Rokkits and Big Bombs finished. Not sure the pics do it justice - I reckon it looks better in person... but that could be sleep deprivation...

Rav'nwing II - Avatar Scorpion Class Deffkopta - WIP


Sleep now...

Arakasi

Ah, now it's coming into focus... good job sir.

Loving the kopta. Keep up the good work!

I like the kopta design, but I feel the missiles look a bit thin when viewed from the front. Most real-life attack helicopters have their missiles groupedin packs of four or more, and the two rokkts beneath each other look a bit... 'light' IMO. The kMB on the other had, I like a lot. I love how you made the hood look like the gun cowling. Nice work!

@Gitsplitta, Stretch: Thanks again!

CommissarKhaine wrote:I like the kopta design, but I feel the missiles look a bit thin when viewed from the front. Most real-life attack helicopters have their missiles groupedin packs of four or more, and the two rokkts beneath each other look a bit... 'light' IMO. The kMB on the other had, I like a lot. I love how you made the hood look like the gun cowling. Nice work!

Under the cold hard light of day and without sleep deprivation I... have to agree

My original plan was to put the whole Deffkopta four pack under each wing, which I thought would match the beefiness of the conversion. However, there isn't enough room. Hence there wasn't enough room to lie them flat as per my Apache Deffkopta - and anyway, I'd already done a set like that! So I went with upright... I think it looks too beefy (the Rokkit housing) and to thin (as you point out) at the same time. I've thought about removing the Rokkit housing to have them lie horizontal - but it seems a lot of work and I'm still not convinced. I think my main issue is that I've been hung up on re-using the Deffkopta Rokkits. A custom four pack, made up of thinner, longer Rokkits would probably be my best bet. Thoughts? It's at times like these I wish I was the sort of person to just say "it's good enough!"

The KMB uses the Deff Dread mount to slot in place - no magnets! - though I had thought afterwards that magnetising would have been easier. But yes, it does result in the deliberate cowling effect. Still thinking about how to cover the front when the KMB is not in play.

I'll leave the Rokkits for now - need to do the front Big Shoota wings and think about the front minus KMB - maybe one of the Killa Kan or Deff Dread face plates. After that I'll be near complete and better able to judge what does and doesn't need tweaking.

Thanks again for everyone's input - keep it coming!

Arakasi

This is really something amazing. Keep up the work.

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=MAT11985&mode=retail

This is a model kit. I planned to use parts of it for a deffkopta, or a fighta-bomma. I read your title and almost died
Luckily, my idea remains semi-original! Fair Warning, Everyone: Don't steal my idea! You don't wanna see me when I'm angry
[/rant]

Great job Arakasi, you are an ork masta!

Now I'm slightly more awake (read : wired on Relentless) I'm going to have to agree with an earlier comment that the exhaust looks a little odd going sideways like that; not that there's much you can do about it now though. Plus it's suitably orky

Under the cold hard light of day and without sleep deprivation I... have to agree

Sorry to be the one messing up your mind - let me try and help out: how about having the rokkit pakket 'wrapped' around the wing: four rokkits in a two-by-two configuration, with an opening in the middle where they slot into the wing? You could have the outer rokkits next to the wing, and the two inner ones slotting over. If you have any IG players near you (endtransmisison plays guard, right?), try and scrounge 8 rockits from the HW teams - few guard players use them anyway.

It's at times like these I wish I was the sort of person to just say "it's good enough!"

Wouldn't suit you mate; you have a brilliant army, it would a shame to not go all-out on it. besides, that's what's so nice about dakka: we're here to support you/ pester you when the going gets tough ; I know it pushes me to that little bit extra too!

As for the front: a grill from a truck might do the truck? I use the daemonic speaker from the defiler with the face bits shaved away on my supadeffkopta.

And: no magnets on the KMB? I'm impressed!

CommissarKhaine wrote: If you have any IG players near you (endtransmisison plays guard, right?), try and scrounge 8 rockits from the HW teams - few guard players use them anyway.

I'm not sure I've got 8 rockets, but I certainly have some spares, 6 I think, laying around you can have if you want. I still have all the paints you ordered months ago too...

Let my start out by saying that I like Khane's suggestion... but I have an alternate I'll throw out just for the heck of it. You could remove one of the 4 rockets from the deffkopta rocket group and mount the remaining three against the wing in an inverted pyramid. I'm pretty sure there are modern missile/rocket packs that have this same type of configuration. I'm not sure if the current kopta rockets will allow this type of conversion, but that way you'll get the substance you're looking for without being overly massive.

@comisarmilo: Thanks!

@HadoukenAvenger: This one has been on the cards a while now - and I am actually using a picture of that model (and a clip from the film) as reference. Oh, and thanks!

@endtransmission: Two votes for changing the exhausts - I will definately have this on my list of things to check/tweak. I don't think re-orientating them will be an issue - just cut at base, swivel and re-glue... How big are those rockets? Can I get a pic - with something for size reference? I have resigned to getting those paints when we go to Silver Sorcerer...

CommissarKhaine wrote:...how about having the rokkit pakket 'wrapped' around the wing: four rokkits in a two-by-two configuration, with an opening in the middle where they slot into the wing? You could have the outer rokkits next to the wing, and the two inner ones slotting over. If you have any IG players near you (endtransmisison plays guard, right?), try and scrounge 8 rockits from the HW teams - few guard players use them anyway.

Gitsplitta wrote:...You could remove one of the 4 rockets from the deffkopta rocket group and mount the remaining three against the wing in an inverted pyramid. I'm pretty sure there are modern missile/rocket packs that have this same type of configuration. I'm not sure if the current kopta rockets will allow this type of conversion, but that way you'll get the substance you're looking for without being overly massive.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. Not really going for CommissarKhaine's - it's diverting too much from the Scorpion load out (for my tastes, currently - I've been known to change my mind...). Gitsplitta's is more interesting - but I don't think it solves my space issue - unless I put the pyramid right side up - ie one on top and two beneath... more thought needed methinks! Still leaning towards my custom built Rokkits in a four pack arrangement - waiting on pics from endtransmission for inspiration (and whether I need to get some IG rockets, or just build my own - starting to think there is very little actual Deffkopta model in this Deffkopta...)

CommissarKhaine wrote:...As for the front: a grill from a truck might do the truck?

You've been staring at my avatar too much haven't you?

Thanks again for all of the suggestions and support. Its still a way off completion, so plenty of time to get it "right".

Arakasi

the koptas look really cool

The IG rockets are quite long, so you may be better off just cutting 4 lengths of plastic tube and bundling those together for the under-wing rocket tubes (obviously shoving something down them so you can't see that there's no rocket in it!)

This would give you something akin to this : http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/249/249,1172863503,1/stock-photo--tube-rocket-launcher-on-a-military-helicopter-2792615.jpg
It would certainly be more in keeping with the Scorpion than trying to bundle up big rokits under each wing

You've been staring at my avatar too much haven't you?

I have to admit I simply love that model - I'll almost be sorry to wreck it if we ever play each other

Gitsplitta's is more interesting - but I don't think it solves my space issue - unless I put the pyramid right side up - ie one on top and two beneath... more thought needed methinks!

Not to thread-jack, but:

Still leaning towards my custom built Rokkits in a four pack arrangement

Then go for it- endtransmission's pic looks like a great start! You could always make the tips out of gs or cocktails stick, and adding fins isn't all that hard if you want to have some of the rokkit visible. It'll require neatness mainly, so get ready for some more sleep deprivation

Think endtransmission has it with the tubes as rokkit-pods, you can then find a suitable size tube to resolve space issues, or how about the type of rocket-pod you get in many aircraft kits - smaller version of the valk's pods. Or maybe mount a single bigbomm in a vertical position behind the seat, gives you a bit more space under the wings?

omg that is so cool

Tonight's WIP - Big Shootas! I think we are finally on the downward slope to finished...


@moonshine: Thanks again x2 (though I think the 2nd may have been for CommissarKhaine...)

endtransmission wrote:The IG rockets are quite long, so you may be better off just cutting 4 lengths of plastic tube and bundling those together for the under-wing rocket tubes (obviously shoving something down them so you can't see that there's no rocket in it!)

This would give you something akin to this : http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/249/249,1172863503,1/stock-photo--tube-rocket-launcher-on-a-military-helicopter-2792615.jpg
It would certainly be more in keeping with the Scorpion than trying to bundle up big rokits under each wing

CommissarKhaine wrote:...endtransmission's pic looks like a great start! You could always make the tips out of gs or cocktails stick, and adding fins isn't all that hard if you want to have some of the rokkit visible. It'll require neatness mainly, so get ready for some more sleep deprivation

monkeytroll wrote:Think endtransmission has it with the tubes as rokkit-pods, you can then find a suitable size tube to resolve space issues, or how about the type of rocket-pod you get in many aircraft kits - smaller version of the valk's pods. Or maybe mount a single bigbomm in a vertical position behind the seat, gives you a bit more space under the wings?

This was what I had in mind, as it will allow me to pretty much mimic the Scorpion loadout (sorry monkeytroll, this is the main reason for not moving the Big Bombs behind the seat). I will be relying on Orky engineering to cover any neatness issues... At this point, I think it may be the next thing I work on - as it seems to be the most glaringly obvious issue at the moment... Well, that and the front...

CommissarKhaine wrote:I have to admit I simply love that model - I'll almost be sorry to wreck it if we ever play each other

Me too x2. I'm sure we can arrange something - once I'm (1000pts) done . Once we're both done we'll have to start a Deffkopta show off thread...

lol, I saw the first shot and thought you'd given the pilot a bionik head Now I keep getting images of an inspector gadget style bionikopta.
Shootas look cool on those canards, how does it look with the kmb out? Could you fit some kind of ammo-feeder in there?

Really Loving the three big shoota look. ACE!

FOR THE WIN!!!

love the big mek !