I was checking some of the prices for the same units I bought back in the day. All I can say is that I'm glad I built my full army back when squads were $25 a box. There's really no difference between them and what's out now.
Talys wrote: For whatever reason... it doesn't matter how cool any other model is, at the end of the day, I always return to modelling Space Marines as almost a hobby unto itself. For any other game or faction, I just don't get as excited.
Probably because GW appears to put far, far more effort into Space Marines than any other faction. For my infantry I'm stuck with an ancient plastic kit with a deteriorating mould that has practically no options in comparison to the plethora of Marine kits that are packed full of them, all of which are also designed to be interchangeable at that. I'm extremely limited with the poses I can achieve with fire warriors whereas there are likely thousands of combinations for Marines, making it entirely possible to create an army where no two infantry are alike.
How do you get any poses out of fire warriors at all? :X
I have 3 unpainted boxes of them (in fairness, 3 painted boxes too) that I want to do up really nicely, and I get lazy every time I think of them and look at the sprue, because there's so little I can do with them. And I'm so lazy go clean up the finecast too :X
I have to say the helmets are dreadful for the new Devs. They look ridiculous and overdone. The new legs are interesting. Maybe they'll get the Relentless USR. I wonder if Grav Cannons are limited to Devs or if Tact squads can take them as well.
So, a special edition marine book, a few upgrade lots, two assault marine boxes, and a ton of devastators and drop pods, because the new marine cheese will once again be drop pods?
I was checking some of the prices for the same units I bought back in the day. All I can say is that I'm glad I built my full army back when squads were $25 a box. There's really no difference between them and what's out now.
Allegedly Forge World outgrew Warhammer Fantasy by dropping pretty much everything else and doubling down on overpriced Space Marines, going from strength to strength with this simple idea. Market demand is a bitch.
It only remains for me to add this quote by a natfka commenter:
As for the cost of this new kit. It's £25... Wow... £5 more than the current kit and for that extra £5 you are getting:
-new re-cut models with better dynamic posing
-optional scenic bases
-new 32 mm bases included
-new weapons included (TH, LC, Grav Pistol, Evicerator, etc)
-all together a better kit.
Buy it from a store that offers a 20% discount if your that bothered. Same goes for the Dev kit.
Don't get me wrong. I would love GW stuff to be more affordable. But if you think it's to expensive: don't buy it.
if you dont like the price do the senseable thing and buy from online stores (ebay, amazon, etc) or recasts (my favorite)
I am really loving the new upgrade kits. Anything to promote personalizing armies and driving narrative. Now I'll just sit back and actually wait for them to do this with the Chaos Legions. Shouldn't take long, right?
I am also a huge fan of updating older, less shapely models. Not that the Space Marines had those, but still! I've been happy with pretty much every single updated kit they've ever done.
I want to know the damn rules so that I know how many dev boxes to preorder... sigh. LOL. The Assault Marine boxes isn't so bad, because I have a bazillion extra of every conceivable jump pack model already. But the new Devs sound awesome, and the new Grav + Amp looks wicked cool.
I wonder if I could get anyone my store to buy like, everything in the box minus Grav Cannon & related pieces for a discount?
Oh, Oh, I know!
Ring Ring! "Games Workshop Customer Service!"
Me: "I just bought 6 Devastator boxes, and NONE OF THEM HAD GRAV CANNONS!"
Yeah I'm looking forward to the devs too, the only ones I have currently are the two rocket launchers that came in the 2nd edition box set and a metal blister pack las cannon. Need to get me some long range goodies.
H.B.M.C. wrote: For that price they're not even going to give you enough of one gun to outfit the squad?
One day somebody senior at GW will accidently look at the internet and see this 'mistake' and the next thing you know you'll find the codex limits you to the number of weapons in the box
jah-joshua wrote: i'm not smoking any crack pipe, but i have been collecting Citadel minis for over 30 years, and have never been a gamer...
i have literally thousands of minis, from at least a dozen manufacturers, but none of them make me as happy to paint as Space Marines do...
Although I do play 40k a couple times a month, this is actually pretty much my thing. For whatever reason... it doesn't matter how cool any other model is, at the end of the day, I always return to modelling Space Marines as almost a hobby unto itself. For any other game or faction, I just don't get as excited. I don't understand it, really, but something as simple as a new shoulderpad that would look great with another shoulder pad that I already have makes me happy, lol.
Actually it's just a matter of how many people are willing to pay the prices they are demanding. For me, GW did develope something far beyond average with 40k and Space Marines particularly and as long as they keep hammering out awesome new kits of that kind I'm willing to pay far beyond average for that, too. Additionally like I stated before with the quotation, these kits aren't bad deals after all (as long as you don't live in AUS or NZ). I wished they we're cheaper and I wished there were alternatives, but for me there are none. If you think the stuff is not worth it: don't buy it. If there are enough people who think like you, GW will get a problem and rethink.
The problem is it doesn't work that way. We know for a fact that GW don't do proper market research, they told us so in their own financial report, so when they experience a drop in sales(which they have been, for several years now) they have no idea why. They can make assumptions, and they can come up with plans to address those assumptions, but if the assumptions are wrong because they're based on a faulty premise(like "nobody will care about videogames and Pokemon in a couple of years time" or "our market is collectors so the quality of the rules doesn't matter") they just end up making things worse.
"Just don't buy it" works when a company makes an active and sincere effort to engage with their customer base and to figure out why people stop being part of that base, not when they live on Kirby's Fantasy Island where market research is "otiose" and customers are just walking wallets with zero impulse control who'll buy whatever you tell them to buy. It's possible, hell even probable that GW completely ignore community sites like these, but given that a lot of the people who GW have driven away or who are teetering on the brink still really like the IP and want to see it succeed, offering criticism here in the vague hope that the sentiment eventually filters back over the moat to GWHQ is better than nothing at all.
So I offer a counter-proposal; if you don't want to read criticisms of GW, stop reading a public forum where anyone can express their chosen view, even ones you dislike/don't agree with/are irritated by.
As for the dev kit; lots of lovely bitz, but luckily I don't have to buy the box to get the ones I want since, being Marines, these kits will actually be regularly stocked by bitz retailers unlike other factions.
I was checking some of the prices for the same units I bought back in the day. All I can say is that I'm glad I built my full army back when squads were $25 a box. There's really no difference between them and what's out now.
That was 36 euros bud. They're 25GBP Which isn't bad looking at all the gubbinz you have to choose from.
Yodhrin wrote: The problem is it doesn't work that way. We know for a fact that GW don't do proper market research, they told us so in their own financial report, so when they experience a drop in sales(which they have been, for several years now) they have no idea why. They can make assumptions, and they can come up with plans to address those assumptions, but if the assumptions are wrong because they're based on a faulty premise(like "nobody will care about videogames and Pokemon in a couple of years time" or "our market is collectors so the quality of the rules doesn't matter") they just end up making things worse.
"Just don't buy it" works when a company makes an active and sincere effort to engage with their customer base and to figure out why people stop being part of that base, not when they live on Kirby's Fantasy Island where market research is "otiose" and customers are just walking wallets with zero impulse control who'll buy whatever you tell them to buy. It's possible, hell even probable that GW completely ignore community sites like these, but given that a lot of the people who GW have driven away or who are teetering on the brink still really like the IP and want to see it succeed, offering criticism here in the vague hope that the sentiment eventually filters back over the moat to GWHQ is better than nothing at all.
So I offer a counter-proposal; if you don't want to read criticisms of GW, stop reading a public forum where anyone can express their chosen view, even ones you dislike/don't agree with/are irritated by.
As for the dev kit; lots of lovely bitz, but luckily I don't have to buy the box to get the ones I want since, being Marines, these kits will actually be regularly stocked by bitz retailers unlike other factions.
You are right in a lot of things you say. Still I think not buying products that you are not convinced of will far more likely have an impact than consequently whining about it on some internet threads GW will never cast an eye on. Even if it's only arrogant GW going bankrupt.
Yes. Everyone is allowed to speak one's mind, that's the purpose of a forum. I just find it annoying if it's the same over and over again. And beeing on a couple of other forums it's striking that nowhere the whining is as pushy as here. And yes, though it's a shame I should stick to said other forums if I can't handle the consequent whining...
Any word on actual sniper / stealth Marines so we can look at units that Chapters such as the Raven Guard field - could be cool and also something that not devoted the "Special needs" chapters like the Dark Angels and inventing bizzare crap lik Centurions
Hive City Dweller wrote: Forgive my ignorance but does this mean that Blood Angels now have access to grav cannon devastators in their codex?
That would be a huge boost to that codex.
No. No big choppy Eviscerators for your Assault Marines either. Gotta wait those ~12 months or so until Blood Angels get updated to "40K 7.5.-Decurion-Edition"
Hive City Dweller wrote: Forgive my ignorance but does this mean that Blood Angels now have access to grav cannon devastators in their codex?
That would be a huge boost to that codex.
No. No big choppy Eviscerators for your Assault Marines either. Gotta wait those ~12 months or so until Blood Angels get updated to "40K 7.5.-Decurion-Edition"
I figured it was too good to be true. This is one thing I still don't get about releases; as soon as a trend or format develops over a few codicies, the game changes because of a new FOC or unit altering the meta. Don't know if they are trying to shake things up or just incapable f consistency.
Hive City Dweller wrote: Forgive my ignorance but does this mean that Blood Angels now have access to grav cannon devastators in their codex?
That would be a huge boost to that codex.
No. No big choppy Eviscerators for your Assault Marines either. Gotta wait those ~12 months or so until Blood Angels get updated to "40K 7.5.-Decurion-Edition"
Unless there is special rules in WD I wonder if the new Eviscerators would fit on a Sororitas model - be cool to have a power armoured hands version for conversions
Yodhrin wrote: The problem is it doesn't work that way. We know for a fact that GW don't do proper market research, they told us so in their own financial report, so when they experience a drop in sales(which they have been, for several years now) they have no idea why. They can make assumptions, and they can come up with plans to address those assumptions, but if the assumptions are wrong because they're based on a faulty premise(like "nobody will care about videogames and Pokemon in a couple of years time" or "our market is collectors so the quality of the rules doesn't matter") they just end up making things worse.
"Just don't buy it" works when a company makes an active and sincere effort to engage with their customer base and to figure out why people stop being part of that base, not when they live on Kirby's Fantasy Island where market research is "otiose" and customers are just walking wallets with zero impulse control who'll buy whatever you tell them to buy. It's possible, hell even probable that GW completely ignore community sites like these, but given that a lot of the people who GW have driven away or who are teetering on the brink still really like the IP and want to see it succeed, offering criticism here in the vague hope that the sentiment eventually filters back over the moat to GWHQ is better than nothing at all.
So I offer a counter-proposal; if you don't want to read criticisms of GW, stop reading a public forum where anyone can express their chosen view, even ones you dislike/don't agree with/are irritated by.
As for the dev kit; lots of lovely bitz, but luckily I don't have to buy the box to get the ones I want since, being Marines, these kits will actually be regularly stocked by bitz retailers unlike other factions.
You are right in a lot of things you say. Still I think not buying products that you are not convinced of will far more likely have an impact than consequently whining about it on some internet threads GW will never cast an eye on. Even if it's only arrogant GW going bankrupt.
Yes. Everyone is allowed to speak one's mind, that's the purpose of a forum. I just find it annoying if it's the same over and over again. And beeing on a couple of other forums it's striking that nowhere the whining is as pushy as here. And yes, though it's a shame I should stick to said other forums if I can't handle the consequent whining...
Sorry for OT.
I have to agree with you that Dakka does seem to have more than its fair share of really whiny posters constantly bashing GW or anyone who dares to say anything positive about them.
I mean if that's their view fair enough, but I think some people just need to let it go and chill out.
General Kroll wrote: I have to agree with you that Dakka does seem to have more than its fair share of really whiny posters constantly bashing GW or anyone who dares to say anything positive about them.
I mean if that's their view fair enough, but I think some people just need to let it go and chill out.
Thing is, every single GW thread descends into a moaning contest, and there are loads of them because they release products every week, so it's just sort of incessant. There should be a dedicated thread for complaining about GW, so every N&R thread isn't bulked out with so many repetitive posts. We get it, they used to be better. We get it, they don't do market research or engage well with their customers. We get it, other companies do those things better. Do we need to hear it every fething week? Probably not.
I'm hoping that the Razorback gets back to costing 45 points again. There's no conceivable legitimacy for its current cost, what so ever. A Rhino costs 35 points, give that a pair of TL-heavy-bolters and you're up +15 points. However, it loses transport capacity, a storm bolter, repair and fire points so really, costing 10 points more than a Rhino seems more than fair, 20 points? No way.
Yes, it was cheap in 5th "vehicle/parking lot" edition but now that any Rhino-chassis vehicle dies to a stiff breeze, there's simply no way anyone could ever argue that 55 points is a fair price.
H.B.M.C. wrote: For that price they're not even going to give you enough of one gun to outfit the squad?
One day somebody senior at GW will accidently look at the internet and see this 'mistake' and the next thing you know you'll find the codex limits you to the number of weapons in the box
That would be good. The tactic right now is buy multiple boxes to kit out a squad with what you want. They SHOULD either limit it or give every combination so 1 box = 1 unit.
General Kroll wrote: I have to agree with you that Dakka does seem to have more than its fair share of really whiny posters constantly bashing GW or anyone who dares to say anything positive about them.
I mean if that's their view fair enough, but I think some people just need to let it go and chill out.
Thing is, every single GW thread descends into a moaning contest, and there are loads of them because they release products every week, so it's just sort of incessant. There should be a dedicated thread for complaining about GW, so every N&R thread isn't bulked out with so many repetitive posts. We get it, they used to be better. We get it, they don't do market research or engage well with their customers. We get it, other companies do those things better. Do we need to hear it every fething week? Probably not.
There's equally as many people who do the opposite and claim any kind of negative view about GW is just 'whining' for no reason. It works both ways.
And maybe if GW actually did those things, there wouldn't be the complaints. We also don't need complaints about people complaining, but we still get them. It's a forum, people are going to post negative things as well as positive. What's the point in a discussion board of everyone agrees? Either don't read it or put up with it, because people will complain as long as there are things to complain about.
No photos so far but a poster on a german board posted today he already got the White Dwarf for the week after the next and it shows a new Space Marine Librarian model and the aforementioned Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain for week 3.
H.B.M.C. wrote: For that price they're not even going to give you enough of one gun to outfit the squad?
One day somebody senior at GW will accidently look at the internet and see this 'mistake' and the next thing you know you'll find the codex limits you to the number of weapons in the box
That would be good. The tactic right now is buy multiple boxes to kit out a squad with what you want. They SHOULD either limit it or give every combination so 1 box = 1 unit.
This is GW; they probably think a Devastator Squad toting a Heavy Bolter, Lascannon, Grav Cannon and Multi-Melta (and, of course, a Power Fist and Combi-flamer on the Sarge) is a great unit, as 'you can engage all kinds of targets with their versatile and fearsome firepower!'
To be honest, though, it's had to complain about the volume of weapons in this box. Two sets at most will basically set you up with all the heavies for an army, while even one and a Tactical box gets you 2 nice Dev squads and plenty left over. LC and PC for anti-tank, Grav+PC for anti-TEQ, Grab+HB for volume of fire. The MM and ML are less useful in Dev squads, but fit in Tacs well enough.
Hive City Dweller wrote: Forgive my ignorance but does this mean that Blood Angels now have access to grav cannon devastators in their codex?
That would be a huge boost to that codex.
No. No big choppy Eviscerators for your Assault Marines either. Gotta wait those ~12 months or so until Blood Angels get updated to "40K 7.5.-Decurion-Edition"
I figured it was too good to be true. This is one thing I still don't get about releases; as soon as a trend or format develops over a few codicies, the game changes because of a new FOC or unit altering the meta. Don't know if they are trying to shake things up or just incapable f consistency.
Definitely incapable of consistency. Otherwise they would not prevent units from having options that they should have. This is most glaring with the differences between the IoM units and, yeah, yeah, I know I piss you off, warboss, chaos. Why certain first founding chapters to get some (basic) stuff that others do not is beyond me. Same as the "turn in all your razorbacks and plasma cannons and receive these autocannons"-policy imposed on CSM.
Warhams-77 wrote: No photos so far but a poster on a german board posted today he already got the White Dwarf for the week after the next and it shows a new Space Marine Librarian model and the aforementioned Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain for week 3.
Really? A DA character model with the vanilla dex?
Warhams-77 wrote: No photos so far but a poster on a german board posted today he already got the White Dwarf for the week after the next and it shows a new Space Marine Librarian model and the aforementioned Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain for week 3.
Really? A DA character model with the vanilla dex?
General Kroll wrote: I have to agree with you that Dakka does seem to have more than its fair share of really whiny posters constantly bashing GW or anyone who dares to say anything positive about them.
I mean if that's their view fair enough, but I think some people just need to let it go and chill out.
Thing is, every single GW thread descends into a moaning contest, and there are loads of them because they release products every week, so it's just sort of incessant. There should be a dedicated thread for complaining about GW, so every N&R thread isn't bulked out with so many repetitive posts. We get it, they used to be better. We get it, they don't do market research or engage well with their customers. We get it, other companies do those things better. Do we need to hear it every fething week? Probably not.
There's equally as many people who do the opposite and claim any kind of negative view about GW is just 'whining' for no reason. It works both ways.
And maybe if GW actually did those things, there wouldn't be the complaints. We also don't need complaints about people complaining, but we still get them. It's a forum, people are going to post negative things as well as positive. What's the point in a discussion board of everyone agrees? Either don't read it or put up with it, because people will complain as long as there are things to complain about.
Of course there are, I wasn't trying to suggest otherwise. As for your proposition of "just fething deal with it", well, no gak, that's the obvious solution, I just think my idea's better. Your suggestion of "just don't read it" isn't practical anyway - particularly in N&R you check back frequently for new info, and most of the time there isn't new info just a few new posts of people moaning/counter-moaning. If it were in a dedicated place it'd be really easy to ignore or seek out as people so choose.
Well, long time BT player here how bad could it get?
Long time ago they took away my Whirlwind and then a codex later gave it back... bring it on, I am ready.
Gravity gun heavy weapons on devastators is an interesting thought.
What am I using a Centurian for again?
Nothing all that new, if the codex does something to improve the jump-pack troops that may be a good thing... I can remove at least 5 years of dust off mine...
Warhams-77 wrote: No photos so far but a poster on a german board posted today he already got the White Dwarf for the week after the next and it shows a new Space Marine Librarian model and the aforementioned Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain for week 3.
Warhams-77 wrote: No photos so far but a poster on a german board posted today he already got the White Dwarf for the week after the next and it shows a new Space Marine Librarian model and the aforementioned Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain for week 3.
I read it and call it BS.
Ok it is actually true. I got a picture of the new Interrogator Chaplain where you can see a part of the staff of the new Librarian...
Bull0 wrote: Of course there are, I wasn't trying to suggest otherwise. As for your proposition of "just fething deal with it", well, no gak, that's the obvious solution, I just think my idea's better. Your suggestion of "just don't read it" isn't practical anyway - particularly in N&R you check back frequently for new info, and most of the time there isn't new info just a few new posts of people moaning/counter-moaning. If it were in a dedicated place it'd be really easy to ignore or seek out as people so choose.
Yes, indeed. There should be a subforum for this, and all such posts stuffed into there, so people who are looking for actual, you know, news & rumors, don't have to wade through it.
Because you know what, next week, GW is going to release some new models. They're going to be pretty nice, and they're going to be expensive. Whether justifiably so is in the pocketbook of the buyer, but that doesn't seem to matter. You'll have the people who complain because they've been butthurt by GW, the people who complain because they are just tired of 40k, people who complain because in their local meta they can't play with grey plastic, people who complain because they always lose to ideal armies, and the people who complain because they actually want the models but can't justify the price. And it will happen the week after... and the week after...
Ok it is actually true. I got a picture of the new Interrogator Chaplain where you can see a part of the staff of the new Librarian...
Spoiler:
I think it has potential, at least it looks pretty good at first blush. I dig the loadout, too: a crozius to strike at I5 and a fist to smash stuff at S8.
RedFox wrote: Hope it's a new librarian in terminator armor
because we already have one perfectly fine plastic model in power armor
It is The guy with the magazine (It's Warhammer Visions, sorry my bad) says the model can have either a (right-handed) Stormbolter or an open right hand.
Like the metal termie Librarian then? That was a pretty cool model.
Ok it is actually true. I got a picture of the new Interrogator Chaplain where you can see a part of the staff of the new Librarian...
Spoiler:
Now that is NICE! I like it!
Also not sure why people are complaining about no new units for the C:SM release. The book is so chocked full of units that people don't field as it is. I mean it's already kind of a saturated army. Look what happened the last time they added a new unit for goodness sake!
There's equally as many people who do the opposite and claim any kind of negative view about GW is just 'whining' for no reason. It works both ways.
So both could go into a dedicated thread? Win-Win!!
Complaints about a new release are at least on-topic in the thread discussing that new release.
If you really want to discuss the fact that people complain a lot, a different thread would be a good idea.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On a positive note, that Chaplain does look nice. Not sure I'd ever put a power fist on a chaplain, since he comes with a maul anyway... but the pose would make pretty simple to change.
Also not sure why people are complaining about no new units for the C:SM release. The book is so chocked full of units that people don't field as it is. I mean it's already kind of a saturated army. Look what happened the last time they added a new unit for goodness sake!
They pioneered a popular rule-of-cool concept which has since gone (geek-) mainstream with a vengeance, no matter how hard the haters try to hate it?
Also not sure why people are complaining about no new units for the C:SM release. The book is so chocked full of units that people don't field as it is. I mean it's already kind of a saturated army. Look what happened the last time they added a new unit for goodness sake!
They pioneered a popular rule-of-cool concept which has since gone (geek-) mainstream with a vengeance, no matter how hard the haters try to hate it?
Spoiler:
I seriously doubt the designers of modern Iron Man have any idea about GW Space Marine Centurions lol. And no, that Iron man suit looks kinda stupid too. IMHO
Also not sure why people are complaining about no new units for the C:SM release. The book is so chocked full of units that people don't field as it is. I mean it's already kind of a saturated army. Look what happened the last time they added a new unit for goodness sake!
They pioneered a popular rule-of-cool concept which has since gone (geek-) mainstream with a vengeance, no matter how hard the haters try to hate it?
Spoiler:
I seriously doubt the designers of modern Iron Man have any idea about GW Space Marine Centurions lol. And no, that Iron man suit looks kinda stupid too. IMHO
Yea you're right, the design team for a multi-million dollar motion picture marketed to nerds would have absolutely no cause to know about power armor.
But not as envisioned in the movie as "Iron Man within an Iron Man".
That aside, I am not saying they directly ripped-off Centurions (which neither are a totally unique or new concept). Just saying the basic idea is awesome and cool (and widely accepted at being just that).
But not as envisioned in the movie as "Iron Man within an Iron Man".
That aside, I am not saying they directly ripped-off Centurions (which neither are a totally unique or new concept). Just saying the basic idea is awesome and cool (and widely accepted at being just that).
It's not the idea that I don't like about the Centurions so much as the awful models.
But not as envisioned in the movie as "Iron Man within an Iron Man".
That aside, I am not saying they directly ripped-off Centurions (which neither are a totally unique or new concept). Just saying the basic idea is awesome and cool (and widely accepted at being just that).
It's a neat concept. The problem I have with centurion models is that they aren't full enclosures and look more like harnesses strapped onto existing power armor. The Hulkbuster fully encloses Iron Man and the picture above is from when the armor is forming. There's no tiny-headed Hulbuster in the movie aside from that.
RedFox wrote: Hope it's a new librarian in terminator armor
because we already have one perfectly fine plastic model in power armor
It is The guys with the WD and WHV said so - and the model can have either a right hand Stormbolter or an open right hand.
I hope it's a multi-part model that can easily be converted for a grey knight librarian terminator
Any Grey Knight Terminator can be a Librarian.
Just sayin'. There's a reason why people were bummed about the Blood Angels Librarian and his iconography, and it wasn't because Grey Knights players can't make Librarians out of the Terminator/Paladin kit.
But not as envisioned in the movie as "Iron Man within an Iron Man".
That aside, I am not saying they directly ripped-off Centurions (which neither are a totally unique or new concept). Just saying the basic idea is awesome and cool (and widely accepted at being just that).
except every incarnation wince atleast 1998 when marvel started the whole manga style stuff.
The idea is an old one, I'm pretty sure I remember transformer and gundam designs from the early to mid 90s doing the same thing. If there is one thing we know for sure is that GW is almost absolutely derivative of other works. The centurions are even self derived, just smaller dreadknights.
I hope GW slows down the "innovation" and focuses on refining what they have. So many units need reworking or have been just discontinued and could be redone to great profit. Ork buggies, aspect warriors, avatar, ork warboss, tau firewarriors, crisis suits, kroot, vespids, almost everything chaos (marines and daemons). Let's have updated pieces before they decide we need new stuff to magically appear as if it had been there all along
I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.
The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!
scottmmmm wrote: I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.
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Really, (and as someone with Space Wolf, Dark Angels and two regular Marine armies) I would still prefer them to just roll all of the variants back into the one codex with a trait system ala 4th edition.
scottmmmm wrote: I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.
The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!
Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.
It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.
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Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia on the fantasy side as well
scottmmmm wrote: I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.
The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!
Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.
It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.
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Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia as well on the fantasy side as well.
scottmmmm wrote: I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.
The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!
Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.
It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.
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Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia l on the fantasy side as well.
Actually, a combined Black Templars/Sisters of Battle army sounds really cool.
Codex: Ecclesiarchy
or
Codex: Crusaders?
All the pseudo religious fanatics and crusaders combined into one book.
scottmmmm wrote: I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.
The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!
Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.
It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.
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Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia as well on the fantasy side as well.
scottmmmm wrote: I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.
The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!
Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.
It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.
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Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia l on the fantasy side as well.
Actually, a combined Black Templars/Sisters of Battle army sounds really cool.
Codex: Ecclesiarchy
or
Codex: Crusaders?
All the pseudo religious fanatics and crusaders combined into one book.
Throw in some weird and wacky Ecclesiarchy units and I'd be down for it
scottmmmm wrote: I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.
The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!
Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.
It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.
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Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia as well on the fantasy side as well.
scottmmmm wrote: I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.
The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!
Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.
It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.
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Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia l on the fantasy side as well.
Actually, a combined Black Templars/Sisters of Battle army sounds really cool.
Codex: Ecclesiarchy
or
Codex: Crusaders?
All the pseudo religious fanatics and crusaders combined into one book.
Throw in some weird and wacky Ecclesiarchy units and I'd be down for it
Please No. It's bad enough they get called FSM as it is.
scottmmmm wrote: I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.
The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!
Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.
It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.
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Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia on the fantasy side as well
I'd totally be up for that. After listening to the Independant Characters special on the Sisters recently I'd already been thinking they'd make perfect allies for my BT.
insaniak wrote:
scottmmmm wrote: I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.
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Really, (and as someone with Space Wolf, Dark Angels and two regular Marine armies) I would still prefer them to just roll all of the variants back into the one codex with a trait system ala 4th edition.
I do agree with you. I was just thinking that a supplement (or whatever they're calling these sub-codices these days) is more likely.
I'm surprised I'm the first person (I've noticed) to suggest this, but we've seen upgrade sprues for the non-Codex chapters, we're seeing a DA model muddled in with a C:SM release period, and, supposedly a book after.
Azreal13 wrote: I'm surprised I'm the first person (I've noticed) to suggest this, but we've seen upgrade sprues for the non-Codex chapters, we're seeing a DA model muddled in with a C:SM release period, and, supposedly a book after.
Supplements anyone?
I'm okay with this.
Supplement/codexes like the skitarii or harlequin one would be fine. Put the majority of the units in c:sm and the divergent units in the supplemental volume.
The Iron Hands Supplement is gone from the GW USA website, but Sentinels of Terra is still on there.
Hmmmmmm
Hmmmmmm Indeed! It could be that some of the supplements don't make sense anymore -- as in they would conflict with rules in the new Codex?
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Azreal13 wrote: I'm surprised I'm the first person (I've noticed) to suggest this, but we've seen upgrade sprues for the non-Codex chapters, we're seeing a DA model muddled in with a C:SM release period, and, supposedly a book after.
Supplements anyone?
Someone else suggested that maybe they were getting rid of the chapter factions, but I think there is zero chance of this.
In my opinion, this was a strategic decision on the part of GW -- to use the SM release to bolster sales of people who like Space Marines, but have chosen a specific faction because they have identified with it (or just like the models better). Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm guessing Codex: SM will have some overlap with Chapters; for instance, formations that say, can be used with by BA/DA/SW. It's a way of getting someone who plays DA, for instance, to buy some models and a book they otherwise wouldn't.
Red Corsair wrote: I wonder if anyone is crazy enough to buy THESE "limited" edition books?
Why you say that? I think people would say we are crazy for buying the non limited edition books. So what's the difference between those who buy limited and those who don't? We are after all paying too much no matter what and where we buy them.
Although while I hope I am wrong, the new Chaplain looks like GW did just what I think they would do: they release 32mm bases because the Space Marines supposedly fill up the bases too much, and then stuff made for the 32mm bases end up having their legs and robes spread so far apart they fill up the new bases just as much as the old.
Azreal13 wrote: I'm surprised I'm the first person (I've noticed) to suggest this, but we've seen upgrade sprues for the non-Codex chapters, we're seeing a DA model muddled in with a C:SM release period, and, supposedly a book after.
Supplements anyone?
I'm okay with this.
Supplement/codexes like the skitarii or harlequin one would be fine. Put the majority of the units in c:sm and the divergent units in the supplemental volume.
This is how it always should have been. The supplement format is perfect for this sort of thing.
The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!
There's no need to state the second part of that sentence out loud, it's implied by the first part
I also play Dark Eldar and I thought that codex was a good read too - so I disagree
The implication is that an Iron Hands player would not enjoy the Clan Raukaan supplement because of how it completely destroys their fluff, from what I gather. This article sums it up nicely.
Making the broad assumption I'm correct, yes it is a good idea, but the likely outcome is we'll 4 or 5 of the core Legion chapters and perhaps Templars and Crimson Fists and then GW will end up getting...
The new Chaplain looks a more true-to-form rendition of the original DE Asmodai model than his latest incarnation, which I definitely like! Gets me nostalgic for my original 40k love, the DA.
All of my troops who wear any appreciable armor are smart enough to wear their helmets anyway, even the space vikings. I got the sprue for the parts that aren't bare heads.
Warhams-77 wrote: No photos so far but a poster on a german board posted today he already got the White Dwarf for the week after the next and it shows a new Space Marine Librarian model and the aforementioned Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain for week 3.
I read it and call it BS.
Ok it is actually true. I got a picture of the new Interrogator Chaplain where you can see a part of the staff of the new Librarian...
Spoiler:
I think I like this dude enough to break my rule against non-TDA guys in my Deathwing. He looks good enough, IMHO, to accompany them.
Azreal13 wrote: I'm surprised I'm the first person (I've noticed) to suggest this, but we've seen upgrade sprues for the non-Codex chapters, we're seeing a DA model muddled in with a C:SM release period, and, supposedly a book after.
Supplements anyone?
I'm okay with this.
Supplement/codexes like the skitarii or harlequin one would be fine. Put the majority of the units in c:sm and the divergent units in the supplemental volume.
Would seem silly now that Space Wolves and Blood Angels have 7th ed codices, unless we're looking at less than a year override
But I think Dark Angels are disparate enough that they would still warrant their own codex.
Hoping for upgrades to chaplains and librarians to increase their stats again. Also, chaplain and librarian specific relics would be awesome, armour and weapons.
Wouldn't it be great for a relic force sword that you can not only activate for instant death, but expend more charges to increase it's stats, +1 S, AP 2, Shred etc.
There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
A whole squad of eviscerator wielding marines is a glorious image!
Seeing as powerfists are already 25 points, eviscerators are likely to be 30-something for the added Armourbane rule? Don't think you want too many in the squad with that, or it'll get expensive fast.
uk_crow wrote: So on the Whats New Today Blog on GW its says
There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
A whole squad of eviscerator wielding marines is a glorious image!
And wouldn't you know it, there only appears to be one bit in the box for it.
I'm sure those scenic bits for the bases really needed to be on there, even though all of the Marines are in running poses and there's no need to have them for the "toe on scenic element to represent flight" thing, or else they probably could have fit one or two more in the kit.
Leth wrote: I just want to be able to run more of my models, and actually as a primary force!!
Imagine if land speeders were actually useful!!
Honestly, Land Speeders were fine before the changes to Jink, that forced them to snap shoot and they're still decent for how cheap you can make them. What, IMO, invalidated them utterly was when the Tau/Eldar Waveserpent dominance was extremely common.
uk_crow wrote: So on the Whats New Today Blog on GW its says
There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
A whole squad of eviscerator wielding marines is a glorious image!
And wouldn't you know it, there only appears to be one bit in the box for it.
I'm sure those scenic bits for the bases really needed to be on there, even though all of the Marines are in running poses and there's no need to have them for the "toe on scenic element to represent flight" thing, or else they probably could have fit one or two more in the kit.
Maybe the scenic bases are to represent new wargear, you can bludgeon the emperor's enemies to death with rocks! The STC for which has just been uncovered in the data libraries of mars. Praise the Omnissiah!
@uk_crow - I know :( You have no idea how tempted I am to just say screw it and buy 5 damned Assault marine boxes.
I would really love 5 eviscerators, and 5 grav pistols
@Sidstyler - you know, those scenic bases will ultimately save me from spending $1.50 a base to buy Secret Weapons Miniature bases. Even if I don't use them on these models, I'll certainly use them somewhere.
If the cost of minis seems expensive, the cost of bases seems crazy O.o.
The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!
There's no need to state the second part of that sentence out loud, it's implied by the first part
I also play Dark Eldar and I thought that codex was a good read too - so I disagree
I'm not sure what you mean. I was implying that generally speaking, the people who liked the new Iron Hands background were not Iron Hands players - I think I've met, online or off, one single solitary pre-6th 'dex Iron Hands player who had a positive view of the Raukaan supplement. I've not read the new DE 'dex - did they completely gut the background and character of the faction? Because that's what they did to the Iron Hands.
scottmmmm wrote: I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.
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Really, (and as someone with Space Wolf, Dark Angels and two regular Marine armies) I would still prefer them to just roll all of the variants back into the one codex with a trait system ala 4th edition.
Yeah me too I hate all the "special units" they have been making recently just to justify those Codexes..............bloody sleighs and the like
scottmmmm wrote: I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.
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Really, (and as someone with Space Wolf, Dark Angels and two regular Marine armies) I would still prefer them to just roll all of the variants back into the one codex with a trait system ala 4th edition.
Yeah me too I hate all the "special units" they have been making recently just to justify those Codexes..............bloody sleighs and the like
Amen to that. And just put Lords of War/ Special characters as White Dwarf/ DLC data sheets.
Marine factions such as BA and DA not having units such as Storm Talons and Centurions is daft.
uk_crow wrote: So on the Whats New Today Blog on GW its says
There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
A whole squad of eviscerator wielding marines is a glorious image!
Sure, repentia marines! Next, an astartes exorcist with AV14 all around, and shooting 2D6 missile instead!
If GW did this properly the codex should contain all of the base units and each founding chapter, both chaos and loyalist, should then have a supplement with their unique units, wargear, relics, characters and formations. That way GW can sell twice as many books. Fat chance of it happening though, GW's track record does not suggest that they will follow this approach, they would rather piece meal out the launches over a number of months to spread out the sales.
uk_crow wrote: So on the Whats New Today Blog on GW its says
There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
A whole squad of eviscerator wielding marines is a glorious image!
Sure, repentia marines! Next, an astartes exorcist with AV14 all around, and shooting 2D6 missile instead!
I'm sure GW will allow Sisters of Bitter Battle to keep that, SM already have this:
Talys wrote: @Sidstyler - you know, those scenic bases will ultimately save me from spending $1.50 a base to buy Secret Weapons Miniature bases. Even if I don't use them on these models, I'll certainly use them somewhere.
If the cost of minis seems expensive, the cost of bases seems crazy O.o.
Honestly yeah, they are kinda expensive. Once had ideas of doing an entire army in resin bases but I only ever bought a few of them before giving up and sticking with plain sand. I only like scenic bases for characters or more "important" models anyway, and I still have two tubs of slate I can use if I want (I was mostly buying slate bases anyway).
But yeah, it'll make a few models look cool I guess, but it would have been even cooler to get actually useful bits for the squad themselves instead of "wasting" space on base decoration (especially when a full squad of 10 is going to cost you $82). For other models in flight it kinda makes sense, I still don't like it but as I said before it's "toe on tall scenic base represents flight" so you kinda have to put up with it. All these guys are clearly on the ground in running poses, though, so it just makes me feel like the bits are unnecessary. And obviously GW has no incentive to provide extra bits because they just assume people who want an entire squad with eviscerators will literally buy ten boxes worth of Marines (over $400 worth of models) to get the necessary bits for the one squad, and then they pat themselves on the back thinking that they're geniuses.
I see a lot of people just fielding plain assault squads with maybe an eviscerator sergeant and saying "All these guys have eviscerators" instead. I mean chainswords look so similar to them anyway I imagine most won't have a problem with it.
uk_crow wrote: So on the Whats New Today Blog on GW its says
There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
A whole squad of eviscerator wielding marines is a glorious image!
Sure, repentia marines! Next, an astartes exorcist with AV14 all around, and shooting 2D6 missile instead!
I'm sure GW will allow Sisters of Bitter Battle to keep that, SM already have this:
uk_crow wrote: So on the Whats New Today Blog on GW its says
There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
A whole squad of eviscerator wielding marines is a glorious image!
Sure, repentia marines! Next, an astartes exorcist with AV14 all around, and shooting 2D6 missile instead!
I'm sure GW will allow Sisters of Bitter Battle to keep that, SM already have this:
Spoiler:
or this:
Spoiler:
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SM already had chain fists, that did not stop GW from giving them eviscerator, even though from a rule point of view they are incredibly similar. The Astartes Department of Redundancy Department of the Astartes is at work already.
thenoobbomb wrote: An Eviscerator makes perfect sense for Space Marines, though...
It makes sense for anyone who wants one.
Which leads to this...
What's New Today wrote:There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
thenoobbomb wrote: An Eviscerator makes perfect sense for Space Marines, though...
So does an exorcist, am I right? And assault marines using two pistols with Hit and Run too! And Acts of Faith!
Eviscerators are NOT "signature weapons" of Sisters. They really aren't.
If they were Eviscerators equipped with Executioners, I could understand your being upset--but it's a two-handed chainsword.
Do you think that the Sisters manufacture Eviscerators themselves and have a "NO BOYS ALLOWED" sign over the doors of Eviscerators'R'Us?
Kanluwen wrote: Eviscerators are NOT "signature weapons" of Sisters. They really aren't.
What is? Serious question. Bolters? Melta? Flamers? Or any derivative of those, that are all accessible to at least one space marine chapter?
Kanluwen wrote: If they were Eviscerators equipped with Executioners, I could understand your being upset--but it's a two-handed chainsword.
I do not even know what an executioner is. The eviscerator was introduced into 40k, as far as I know, in the Inquisitor game, as a weapon wielded by Devote Malicant from the Redemptionist. It has since been a staple of the crazy zealots, usually priests.
Kanluwen wrote: Do you think that the Sisters manufacture Eviscerators themselves and have a "NO BOYS ALLOWED" sign over the doors of Eviscerators'R'Us?
Actually, almost. The Eviscerators are usually very crude weapons, made by those who uses them. Back in 2003, when we had a codex, there was a White Dwarf article with rules for playing mobs of crazies, and you could take one eviscerator for every 5 models. The description was pretty clear that they made the weapons themselves, and the quality was rubbish. Which made little sense given it was hitting as hard as a power fist, though.
Kanluwen wrote: If they were Eviscerators equipped with Executioners, I could understand your being upset--but it's a two-handed chainsword.
I do not even know what an executioner is. The eviscerator was introduced into 40k, as far as I know, in the Inquisitor game, as a weapon wielded by Devote Malicant from the Redemptionist. It has since been a staple of the crazy zealots, usually priests.
I believe they both came to Necromunda first, for the Red Redemption. Executioners are single-shot flamethrowers that could be attached to other weapons - sort of like a DIY combi-flamer.
Kanluwen wrote: Do you think that the Sisters manufacture Eviscerators themselves and have a "NO BOYS ALLOWED" sign over the doors of Eviscerators'R'Us?
Actually, almost. The Eviscerators are usually very crude weapons, made by those who uses them. Back in 2003, when we had a codex, there was a White Dwarf article with rules for playing mobs of crazies, and you could take one eviscerator for every 5 models. The description was pretty clear that they made the weapons themselves, and the quality was rubbish. Which made little sense given it was hitting as hard as a power fist, though.
Did you ever stop to think that the description wasn't for Eviscerators in general, but specific to that White Dwarf article's topic?
AlexHolker wrote: I believe they both came to Necromunda first, for the Red Redemption.
Oh, okay. I was not around when Necromunda was released. Still linked to the Redemptionists and the crazed zealot theme.
Kanluwen wrote: Did you ever stop to think that the description wasn't for Eviscerators in general, but specific to that White Dwarf article's topic?
Okay. So, what are Sisters signature weapons for you? And how are eviscerator not signature weapons for the crazy religious zealots of 40k with little sense or training?
Kanluwen wrote: Did you ever stop to think that the description wasn't for Eviscerators in general, but specific to that White Dwarf article's topic?
Okay. So, what are Sisters signature weapons for you? And how are eviscerator not signature weapons for the crazy religious zealots of 40k with little sense or training?
Melta-Flamer-Bolter
There's a reason it's called the "Holy Trinity" of weapons. And while certainly Marines have access to the same options, having access to the option is not the same as always seeing it.
When it comes to the Imperium it seems things are "unique" and "signature" right up until GW decides to just give it to the rest of the Imperial armies.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: When it comes to the Imperium it seems things are "unique" and "signature" right up until GW decides to just give it to the rest of the Imperial armies.
No-one else has a rift cannon or plasma cannon toting terminators
AllSeeingSkink wrote: When it comes to the Imperium it seems things are "unique" and "signature" right up until GW decides to just give it to the rest of the Imperial armies.
No-one else has a rift cannon or plasma cannon toting terminators
There's a reason it's called the "Holy Trinity" of weapons. And while certainly Marines have access to the same options, having access to the option is not the same as always seeing it.
So Marines getting access to eviscerator is okay because eviscerators are not Sister signature weapons, and marines getting access to Sister signature weapons is okay too, because… uh, marine should have ALL THE THINGS AND THEN SOME MORE.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: When it comes to the Imperium it seems things are "unique" and "signature" right up until GW decides to just give it to the rest of the Imperial armies.
“The rest of the Imperial armies” means “Space Marines of Various Color” here, am I right?
I'm to the point now where I wish Sisters would get squatted.
Nah, just spin them off out of 40k along with Chaos Marines into their own game where the players have their codex books, rules, and models completely replaced with an update every single year. Chaos players will rejoice because they'll be the top most powerful and flavorful armies half the time and sisters players will be happy because they'll have the most modern and up to date army around. The rest of us win because they'll be complaining about something else in a new subforum instead of in every thread where someone else gets something they don't. The only thing that could improve that scenario is if the game was ONLY for sale in the Australia GW site at local Oz prices for the whole world so we kill three birds with one stone.
Looky Likey wrote: If GW did this properly the codex should contain all of the base units and each founding chapter, both chaos and loyalist, should then have a supplement with their unique units, wargear, relics, characters and formations. That way GW can sell twice as many books. Fat chance of it happening though, GW's track record does not suggest that they will follow this approach, they would rather piece meal out the launches over a number of months to spread out the sales.
Indeed
The recent "Special needs" faction codexes have been horribly short on fluff and actual rules apart from abominations such as the Sleigh and the Murder Dreadnought from Murder world with his murder fists - sigh..........
The recent retcon that aparently the Dark Angels are a super secret Legion was a bit poor - now if these Codexes actually gave some decent formations, characters and rules for say all successor Chapters of the First Founding Chapters itmight have been interesting but the desperation to generate "themed" units for these Chatpers is very annoying - especially since I have both Dark Angels and Space Wolves srmies - the only one I actually liked was the SW flyer.
on the subject of Eviserators - as A Siters player I have no problems with this - and I still wonder if it can be used to convert some of our models as we there are not any other power armoured hands holding an Eviserator that I cna think of - apart from the Flesh Tearers Chapter master?
So moving past complaining about Sisters players complaining....
Have there been any rumors (substantiated or otherwise) about the new codex? We're seeing preorders on Saturday, that's pretty soon to not hear anything at all. A MFD (Multiple Formation Detachment, a better word for Decurion-like) is likely. I wonder if White Scars will get brought down a bit or if other chapters will get better so it's not like 89% Scars when it comes to Marine armies out there.
Looky Likey wrote: If GW did this properly the codex should contain all of the base units and each founding chapter, both chaos and loyalist, should then have a supplement with their unique units, wargear, relics, characters and formations. That way GW can sell twice as many books. Fat chance of it happening though, GW's track record does not suggest that they will follow this approach, they would rather piece meal out the launches over a number of months to spread out the sales.
Indeed
The recent "Special needs" faction codexes have been horribly short on fluff and actual rules apart from abominations such as the Sleigh and the Murder Dreadnought from Murder world with his murder fists - sigh..........
The recent retcon that aparently the Dark Angels are a super secret Legion was a bit poor - now if these Codexes actually gave some decent formations, characters and rules for say all successor Chapters of the First Founding Chapters itmight have been interesting but the desperation to generate "themed" units for these Chatpers is very annoying - especially since I have both Dark Angels and Space Wolves srmies - the only one I actually liked was the SW flyer.
on the subject of Eviserators - as A Siters player I have no problems with this - and I still wonder if it can be used to convert some of our models as we there are not any other power armoured hands holding an Eviserator that I cna think of - apart from the Flesh Tearers Chapter master?
DA were accused of legion building, but then look at the Black Templars. 5000 Battle Brothers in one Chapter!
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pities2004 wrote: So are the new devastators supposed to be mounted on the 32mm or the 25mm?
angelofvengeance wrote: From an aesthetic and practical point of view, 32s accommodate Astartes much better than 25s IMO.
Agreed, I'm in the midst of doing some CSM, but have yet to build any infantry (havent been disciplined and keep doing the big shinies rather than the models I need to complete to be able to field the damn thing) so when I do, I'll pick up some 32mm.
If it weren't for the lack of a simple communucation along the lines of "look, 28mm bases are fine, but the 32mms are there if you prefer them" or something along those lines from GW to eliminate the uncertainty some people have around the whole thing (I don't play tourneys and I'm old and ugly enough not to give a gak if someone doesn't like my modelling choices so I'm not bothered either way, but acknowledge it is important for others) then I'd say this was a 100% good move from them.
It is crazy how much better 32mm bases look. I'm slowly in the process of upgrading all of my Necrons with base adaptors from Eccentric Minatures and they just look so much more substantial. Like putting a frame on a picture over just thumbtacks.
I am however, loathing the prospect of rebasing all 40 of my Necron Warriors... Thankfully I've not actually done anything with the bases apart from where paint has splorched on there so the good ol' Stanley will be getting some hammer.
Well, the Chaplain looks pretty nice with the custom armour et al. Librarian is pretty generic, though.
I'm still not sure about the whole book-on-head thingie as a libby symbol, though. Who's supposed to read the book? "Hey you, come here and read this!" And isn't it a bit stupid to put a valuable book into the harms way? He even has a mini-book on the staff.. Probably "Tex Willer".
Sir Samuel Buca wrote: *sigh* Looks like I'm going to have to buy abother Librarian for my Ultramarines. 2 TDA clad Librarians is cool, right?
Librarians aren’t quite like captains, where you can never have too many, even if you never field them. But having a few extra psychers kicking around is probably a good thing. At least, that’s what the voices in my head tell me...
I like both of those a lot. Sadly, there's still no way the price will be right.
It's a shame that the DA battle force wasn't along the lines of the UM/BA ones, with a DWK squad in place of the dread. Tacticals, DWK and a (basically free) Int-Chap, I'd be all over that!
Paradigm wrote: I like both of those a lot. Sadly, there's still no way the price will be right.
It's a shame that the DA battle force wasn't along the lines of the UM/BA ones, with a DWK squad in place of the dread. Tacticals, DWK and a (basically free) Int-Chap, I'd be all over that!
Part of me (the cynical part) wonders if the $30 mono-pose HQs were priced that way just to make the bundles they are included look like a better value. Because while some of them look quite nice, they are nowhere need the price GW is asking for them. I hope these guys get more reasonable pricing, but the road to disappointment and all that...
Wow. Those two models look fantastic. I love the new librarian; it's a pity I don't really collect Dark Angels anymore, but maybe I'll make an exception on this fella
Talys wrote: Wow. Those two models look fantastic. I love the new librarian; it's a pity I don't really collect Dark Angels anymore, but maybe I'll make an exception on this fella
There's actually nothing DA-specific on the Librarian, you could fit him in any SM army really.
Talys wrote: Wow. Those two models look fantastic. I love the new librarian; it's a pity I don't really collect Dark Angels anymore, but maybe I'll make an exception on this fella
He's not a Dark Angels librarian as far as I know, just a generic SM one. He's painted as an Ultramarine.
Oops no he's not. Got confused by the Ultramarine type symbol on his scroll.
The biggest difference will be that the new one will be HIPS and not require any remediation. I'm all for moving models from finecast and metal to plastic as they just become a lot easier to work with.
Talys wrote: Wow. Those two models look fantastic. I love the new librarian; it's a pity I don't really collect Dark Angels anymore, but maybe I'll make an exception on this fella
He's not a Dark Angels librarian as far as I know, just a generic SM one. He's painted as an Ultramarine.
Oops no he's not. Got confused by the Ultramarine type symbol on his scroll.
The chaplain, I mean. He has a dark angels insignia on his shoulder. Yeah, the librarian looks generic Similar to the Blood Angels model (which is similar to the Space Hulk Calistarius model) -- both of which are fantastic models.
It's probably me but the TDA pose looks like his storm bolter arm is way lower than the other arm even when you consider the pauldron position. Not bad overall, still think the old model is better.
The chaplain though looks great I think, not usually a fan of the DA aesthetics particularly the plate mail vibe of the armour on the chest and his gauntlet on the crozius arm.
The biggest difference will be that the new one will be HIPS and not require any remediation. I'm all for moving models from finecast and metal to plastic as they just become a lot easier to work with.
I don't really care what material they are, I just prefer the older sculpt.
Azreal13 wrote: If you're GW, it isn't made of plastic. If you're a fan of nice models, not a lot.
Just looking at the face alone. It might very well be the paint job, but it's like night and day. It's like a massive regression in sculpt quality all in the name of having to have everything in plastic.
The Grav-Cannon Devastators make the Star Phantoms CT way better than normal. Just pointing that out now. Deep Strike all three and TL them for the turn.
Love that interrogator, it's too bad he's so clearly dedicated to a single chapter (not that I wish to take anything away from DA players, just makes him hard to convert to other uses).
Gitsplitta wrote: Love that interrogator, it's too bad he's so clearly dedicated to a single chapter (not that I wish to take anything away from DA players, just makes him hard to convert to other uses).
Would of been really cool as a Imp fist.
Would of bought him in a heart beat in that Mark 2-3 torso and honking power fist :/
Paradigm wrote: I like both of those a lot. Sadly, there's still no way the price will be right.
It's a shame that the DA battle force wasn't along the lines of the UM/BA ones, with a DWK squad in place of the dread. Tacticals, DWK and a (basically free) Int-Chap, I'd be all over that!
I already posted the prices:
Librarian ~ 24€
Interrogator Chaplain ~ 23 €
It's too bad that once again the kneeling pose is using MK VI legs. Would have been nice to have a set of kneeling legs for MK 7 style armor.
Love that they brought back the old 2nd Edition Devastator legs with the reinforced armor. Not totally sure what it is supposed to accomplish in terms of functionality, but it looks cool.
Veteran Sergeant wrote: It's too bad that once again the kneeling pose is using MK VI legs. Would have been nice to have a set of kneeling legs for MK 7 style armor.
Love that they brought back the old 2nd Edition Devastator legs with the reinforced armor. Not totally sure what it is supposed to accomplish in terms of functionality, but it looks cool.
Paradigm wrote: I like both of those a lot. Sadly, there's still no way the price will be right.
It's a shame that the DA battle force wasn't along the lines of the UM/BA ones, with a DWK squad in place of the dread. Tacticals, DWK and a (basically free) Int-Chap, I'd be all over that!
I already posted the prices:
Librarian ~ 24€
Interrogator Chaplain ~ 23 €
Paradigm wrote: I like both of those a lot. Sadly, there's still no way the price will be right.
It's a shame that the DA battle force wasn't along the lines of the UM/BA ones, with a DWK squad in place of the dread. Tacticals, DWK and a (basically free) Int-Chap, I'd be all over that!
I already posted the prices:
Librarian ~ 24€
Interrogator Chaplain ~ 23 €
So 17 quid for the IC and 18 quid for the Libby... god these individual characters get expensive!
GW- if you're going to feth me, at least buy me dinner first!
Paradigm wrote: I like both of those a lot. Sadly, there's still no way the price will be right.
It's a shame that the DA battle force wasn't along the lines of the UM/BA ones, with a DWK squad in place of the dread. Tacticals, DWK and a (basically free) Int-Chap, I'd be all over that!
I already posted the prices:
Librarian ~ 24€
Interrogator Chaplain ~ 23 €
Librarian--$29.75/18.50GBP price bracket; same as one of the direct only Ork Kannons.
Interrogator Chaplain--$29/18GBP price bracket; it's the same as a squad of Cadian Shock Troops.
If the Librarian is Terminator armored as posted that's not TOO bad. Not sure on the Chaplain as I would have to see the model in person to decide if he's worth it or not.
Paradigm wrote: I like both of those a lot. Sadly, there's still no way the price will be right.
It's a shame that the DA battle force wasn't along the lines of the UM/BA ones, with a DWK squad in place of the dread. Tacticals, DWK and a (basically free) Int-Chap, I'd be all over that!
I already posted the prices:
Librarian ~ 24€
Interrogator Chaplain ~ 23 €
Yeah, like I said, no way I'm paying that.
Ok. It wasn't meant as an argument, just an info as it seemed you didn't know the prices yet...
Gitsplitta wrote: Love that interrogator, it's too bad he's so clearly dedicated to a single chapter (not that I wish to take anything away from DA players, just makes him hard to convert to other uses).
They did the same thing with the Blood Angels Librarian that got released.
It sucks; but it lets them actually have some Chapter dedicated blisters and not just boxes.
Paradigm wrote: I like both of those a lot. Sadly, there's still no way the price will be right.
It's a shame that the DA battle force wasn't along the lines of the UM/BA ones, with a DWK squad in place of the dread. Tacticals, DWK and a (basically free) Int-Chap, I'd be all over that!
I already posted the prices:
Librarian ~ 24€
Interrogator Chaplain ~ 23 €
Yeah, like I said, no way I'm paying that.
Ok. It wasn't meant as an argument, just an info as it seemed you didn't know the prices yet...
I actually didn't know them, so thanks for pointing them out! I was just going on past experience; I can't recall the last time GW released a character mini that I thought was reasonably priced! sadly, the trend continues!
Not liking that librarian one bit. The BA-specific one was a bit better, imo, and the older failcast one is nicer than either of them. I'd even take the recent £15 power armoured librarian over that, it's a nice model.
Bull0 wrote: Not liking that librarian one bit. The BA-specific one was a bit better, imo, and the older failcast one is nicer than either of them. I'd even take the recent £15 power armoured librarian over that, it's a nice model.
I own both the finecast and the BA models, the BA model is a much nicer model to work with. I am just on my phone so it's hard to check it out, but how do the priced compare between ba librarian and new one?
Bull0 wrote: Not liking that librarian one bit. The BA-specific one was a bit better, imo, and the older failcast one is nicer than either of them. I'd even take the recent £15 power armoured librarian over that, it's a nice model.
The power armoured one is also £18. But it is a nicer mini than this one.
@Talys, I'm pretty sure it's 50p more here than the BA one, if Kanluwens prices are right. The BA one is £18.
Kanluwen wrote: Price brackets have only failed me once or twice.
Haha, I wasn't suggesting they were going to be wrong, just covering my own arse I'm surprised they didn't charge more for the terminator armoured ones honestly. I mean, £18 is still expensive for them but they are bigger than the Power Armoured guys who are also £18. Cheeky little 50p added on this time though.
The only thing putting me off that IC is the head. The rest is fine. I'll stick with Seraphicus though as he is infinitely cooler. I do love that Crozius the new IC is packing though! The Librarian is a bit underwhelming as he looks like another tweak of Calistarius from Space Hulk!
Dunno, guess I'll buy the librarian since I'm partial to them in Terminator Armor. I may pass on the DA model. It's a nice enough sculpt but barring something really cool in the new codex, I'm not sure I'd ever use him, and I'm not in the mood to start DA back up again.
Paradigm wrote: I like both of those a lot. Sadly, there's still no way the price will be right.
It's a shame that the DA battle force wasn't along the lines of the UM/BA ones, with a DWK squad in place of the dread. Tacticals, DWK and a (basically free) Int-Chap, I'd be all over that!
I already posted the prices:
Librarian ~ 24€
Interrogator Chaplain ~ 23 €
insaniak wrote: The librarian is a solid enough sculpt... just missing the 'wow' factor that the last TDA Librarian had.
The Chaplain is the business, though. That's a cracking good model.
I actually am not decided yet on the Chaplain.
The TDA Librarian is nice though. I wish there was an alternate head however...but I have hooded heads to throw on a few of these gents, so I'm all good. I do think I will be using some bits from the Grey Knights to give them swords instead of staves, and I think at least one of them will have two hands wreathed in flame.
Sir Samuel Buca wrote: *sigh* Looks like I'm going to have to buy abother Librarian for my Ultramarines. 2 TDA clad Librarians is cool, right?
Librarians aren’t quite like captains, where you can never have too many, even if you never field them. But having a few extra psychers kicking around is probably a good thing. At least, that’s what the voices in my head tell me...
That settles it then, I always trust your judgement Nev, looks like I'm getting a 3rd Terminator Librarian, he'll look excellent with the BA one.
The chappy is hot sex, but the libby seems a bit meh. I have the older metal sculpt and like it, so I don't think an upgrade is in order. I also have Seraphicus, so if the new chappy is ~$30, I'll be sadly passing on him, too :(
The Chaplain is very nice, the Librarian is merely okay. As others pointed out, lacks the "WOW" factor. I am most curious about the rules. Also, I noticed that the Legion Of The Damned codex is gone off the webstore. Perhaps they're adding them back into the Marine codex? While I can appreciate the frantic release schedule, it's a bit annoying that they are invalidating books so quickly. Instead of a 4 year life for a book, we're looking at about 2 years. At $60 cdn a book, how can they expect people to keep shelling out for them. Oh well, I guess there's always the "free" copies nice people post online.
angelofvengeance wrote: I think the head on the Libby looks sculpted in.. Bugger. I wanted to swap it for angry beard face from the plastic PA Libby.
Even if it's sculpted to the hood (which seems unlikely looking at the detail on the sides of his head), it's still a plastic multi-part mini. Will be a relatively easy swap.
In my day, we used to have to find a willing blacksmith and trade him a flagon of goat just to swap a chainsword for a powersword.
Nocturnus wrote: The Chaplain is very nice, the Librarian is merely okay. As others pointed out, lacks the "WOW" factor. I am most curious about the rules. Also, I noticed that the Legion Of The Damned codex is gone off the webstore. Perhaps they're adding them back into the Marine codex? While I can appreciate the frantic release schedule, it's a bit annoying that they are invalidating books so quickly. Instead of a 4 year life for a book, we're looking at about 2 years. At $60 cdn a book, how can they expect people to keep shelling out for them. Oh well, I guess there's always the "free" copies nice people post online.
While I can understand not wanting to pay for similar/the same rules every couple years, I don't really understand the complaints about it. Comparing it to other hobbies and it's quite reasonable. I mean, a $60 book to play your army is around what many people play for a new AAA video game which only lasts a couple months at most. In fact, when I compare how much I've spent on this hobby to my gaming collection (several generations of consoles + games, a decent end PC with lots of Steam games), it's actually quite cheap. Comparing to a game series, it's not uncommon for a new game to come out every couple years and be pretty much the same but with a new story, different items/maps, etc.
Nocturnus wrote: The Chaplain is very nice, the Librarian is merely okay. As others pointed out, lacks the "WOW" factor. I am most curious about the rules. Also, I noticed that the Legion Of The Damned codex is gone off the webstore. Perhaps they're adding them back into the Marine codex? While I can appreciate the frantic release schedule, it's a bit annoying that they are invalidating books so quickly. Instead of a 4 year life for a book, we're looking at about 2 years. At $60 cdn a book, how can they expect people to keep shelling out for them. Oh well, I guess there's always the "free" copies nice people post online.
While I can understand not wanting to pay for similar/the same rules every couple years, I don't really understand the complaints about it. Comparing it to other hobbies and it's quite reasonable. I mean, a $60 book to play your army is around what many people play for a new AAA video game which only lasts a couple months at most. In fact, when I compare how much I've spent on this hobby to my gaming collection (several generations of consoles + games, a decent end PC with lots of Steam games), it's actually quite cheap. Comparing to a game series, it's not uncommon for a new game to come out every couple years and be pretty much the same but with a new story, different items/maps, etc.
Again, it's not a good comparison, comparing it to other hobbies. 40k rules don't become cheap because 'it's cheaper than collecting diamonds' or something. Compared to other wargames, 40k rules are expensive, sub par, and obsolete in a much shorter time span.
Nocturnus wrote: The Chaplain is very nice, the Librarian is merely okay. As others pointed out, lacks the "WOW" factor. I am most curious about the rules. Also, I noticed that the Legion Of The Damned codex is gone off the webstore. Perhaps they're adding them back into the Marine codex? While I can appreciate the frantic release schedule, it's a bit annoying that they are invalidating books so quickly. Instead of a 4 year life for a book, we're looking at about 2 years. At $60 cdn a book, how can they expect people to keep shelling out for them. Oh well, I guess there's always the "free" copies nice people post online.
While I can understand not wanting to pay for similar/the same rules every couple years, I don't really understand the complaints about it. Comparing it to other hobbies and it's quite reasonable. I mean, a $60 book to play your army is around what many people play for a new AAA video game which only lasts a couple months at most. In fact, when I compare how much I've spent on this hobby to my gaming collection (several generations of consoles + games, a decent end PC with lots of Steam games), it's actually quite cheap. Comparing to a game series, it's not uncommon for a new game to come out every couple years and be pretty much the same but with a new story, different items/maps, etc.
My brother was the videogame king....a new 50 dollar game would last him 3 days.
I finally got him hooked on sports games, where you can play season after season after season.....
While I can understand not wanting to pay for similar/the same rules every couple years, I don't really understand the complaints about it. Comparing it to other hobbies and it's quite reasonable. I mean, a $60 book to play your army is around what many people play for a new AAA video game which only lasts a couple months at most. In fact, when I compare how much I've spent on this hobby to my gaming collection (several generations of consoles + games, a decent end PC with lots of Steam games), it's actually quite cheap. Comparing to a game series, it's not uncommon for a new game to come out every couple years and be pretty much the same but with a new story, different items/maps, etc.
Thing is, video games don't become obsolete when a new version comes out. I may be in a minority, but I still play Halo Reach as often as H4 or H2A, I still play Arkham City as much as Arkham Origins. They are ultimately different products and different experiences. On the other hand, once this new codex comes out with mostly recycled contents and changes that could fit on an A4 sheet, the previous edition is obsolete as anything other than a paperweight.
This is why I'm against the Codex Cycle as a whole. Other companies mostly only sell you a new edition when they've made changes that aim to improve the game, but GW will sell you another codex whether they need to/whether it improves anything or not. The current book is perfectly serviceable, and this new one may not be any better as a product for all we know, and yet we are still expected to buy it because they say so.
The Interrogator Chaplain looks stunning...but shouldn't he be on a bike or have a jump pack ? he looks pointless on foot...I'm no chaplain or DA expert but I'm not seeing his usefulness here...
It bugs me how the new Space Marine characters shoulder pads are touching their faces/face protection. How do they lift their arms?
I think it would be way cooler if they updated Space marines so that they look like they can move properly. They seem way to squished and as a result their armor looks more ridiculous.
Nocturnus wrote: The Chaplain is very nice, the Librarian is merely okay. As others pointed out, lacks the "WOW" factor. I am most curious about the rules. Also, I noticed that the Legion Of The Damned codex is gone off the webstore. Perhaps they're adding them back into the Marine codex? While I can appreciate the frantic release schedule, it's a bit annoying that they are invalidating books so quickly. Instead of a 4 year life for a book, we're looking at about 2 years. At $60 cdn a book, how can they expect people to keep shelling out for them. Oh well, I guess there's always the "free" copies nice people post online.
While I can understand not wanting to pay for similar/the same rules every couple years, I don't really understand the complaints about it. Comparing it to other hobbies and it's quite reasonable. I mean, a $60 book to play your army is around what many people play for a new AAA video game which only lasts a couple months at most. In fact, when I compare how much I've spent on this hobby to my gaming collection (several generations of consoles + games, a decent end PC with lots of Steam games), it's actually quite cheap. Comparing to a game series, it's not uncommon for a new game to come out every couple years and be pretty much the same but with a new story, different items/maps, etc.
My brother was the videogame king....a new 50 dollar game would last him 3 days.
I finally got him hooked on sports games, where you can play season after season after season.....
This is only really relevant if you actually choose to play in GW stores or FLGS, in which case I personally don't and am very happy not to. 1 FLGS and GW shops have strict code for language and so on, I can say %^&# all in my own house or with adult friends without some sniveling weasel annoying me or soccer moms worrying about little johnny being around adults. 2 Far less gamer funk. 3 setting up a local gaming "club" or play house allows you to monitor the kinds of individuals you might be forced to play against ( like "that guy" ) and have a much more entertaining atmosphere to ENJOY the games.
60 cdn for a codex is absurd and I've disliked paying it ever time, then I look at the ( where they ninja it on us due to new printer in house ) 50 cdn softcovers and I say, that 60 was not so bad vs a piece of crap softcover that will fall apart and get dinged up, when you really think about it what would you rather do ? pay 60 for a hardcover which is 10 more and will last for years unless your a tool about it while actually looking decent, or paying 50 for an inferior product in quality, in which case you are better probably downloading to use at home, although I personally enjoy the hardcovers as they are a throw back to the hardcovers of GW in the golden days just with a horrible price, but like my warhammer armies 3rd ed is falling apart the pages due to the binding actually being WORSE than the new hardcovers.
You guys should see some of the softcovers that are printed for normal books today, the paper is like onion bible paper and some of those prices are similar to GW. I enjoy reading and have library of even some books that go up in value due to their nature and limited prints and I can honestly say as much as I hate GW's prices for codex and army books, the quality itself is in many cases quite high vs reading books that I seriously question the pubisher and printer "meeting the minimum quality level" and their prices where I'm worried about tearing the pages! GW actually uses fairly thick paper for their hardcovers.
Lastly other than if you are playing "that guy" cheeseballs who constantly want to make competitive lists that YOU guys all feel you HAVE to outdo why are you even bothering to keep buying edition after edition ? unless you play in GW stores or have all decided "we MUST play that new edition every few years" then a lot of this is meaningless, I have my 8th ed collection done and it will last me for years along with my 2500-3k fb armies with multiple options, GW won't be getting my money for 9th not even for the starter after their antics with the end times ( and I don't mean the story I mean killing off years worth of armies we all own ), and I totally skipped 5th and 6th 40k just getting back into it now to finish off my ork army, my rather dirt cheap DA army I just started with DV and multiple troops from ebay and sold 2x copies of the rules by undercutting sellers by $5 and buying the much nicer hc version from part of those sales. I think I will be sticking with 7th for many years and so will my local gaming group.
Keep in mind guys GW for years existed as a mail order company for north america, and there is still plenty of places that lack official GW stores that have plenty of gamers looking to have fun vs always buying the newest crap they sell.
MrFlutterPie wrote: Also if you wait a year or two that AAA title will drop from $60 to $20 brand new.
GW on the other hand only increases it's prices, even on older products
Only if you buy new.
I agree most things in life are cheaper when bought used. However, the point that I was trying to illustrate is that retail prices drop for video games and retail prices for GW goes up.
Video games also enjoy a massive used market allowing for even more savings as well.
Requizen wrote: While I can understand not wanting to pay for similar/the same rules every couple years, I don't really understand the complaints about it.
You don't understand why people would be less happy to have to pay $60 every two years to keep their army current instead of $30 every 4-8 years?
Seriously?
Regardless of whether or not the book price is reasonable (and, for me, the switch to hardcover and full-colour was not a sufficient trade-off for the huge jump in price, since I didn't want either of those things to begin with) speeding up the release schedule is more painful on the wallet than a slower release schedule, and it creates extra uncertainty since where previously you were reasonably assured of getting at least 4-5 years out of any given book, we're now left with absolutely no idea how quickly anything we buy might be invalidated.
Even just publishing a release forecast would alleviate that somewhat... then at least you would know when you hand over the cash that the book is likely to be replaced in 6 months.
Don't get me wrong, I like having new, shiny stuff as much as the next guy... But for me, the codex system was getting unsustainable as it was (since up until 6th edition I bought all of them, and had done since 2nd edition), and speeding up the process and making the books more expensive just resulted in me stopping buying them.
MrFlutterPie wrote: Also if you wait a year or two that AAA title will drop from $60 to $20 brand new.
GW on the other hand only increases it's prices, even on older products
Only if you buy new.
I agree most things in life are cheaper when bought used. However, the point that I was trying to illustrate is that retail prices drop for video games and retail prices for GW goes up.
Video games also enjoy a massive used market allowing for even more savings as well.
Because after a while people stop buying those videogames. Even new players may not want them (new). Whereas new players and veterans starting a new army who want new Marines...why should GW lower prices on products people want? Same thing with cars etc.
Requizen wrote: W
Don't get me wrong, I like having new, shiny stuff as much as the next guy... But for me, the codex system was getting unsustainable as it was (since up until 6th edition I bought all of them, and had done since 2nd edition), and speeding up the process and making the books more expensive just resulted in me stopping buying them.
Would love to see how much in sales they lost with the higher prices. I too bought most of the books. Now, just the main army I play, and then for reference I find free copies. Indeed, I went through 2-3 3rd and 4th edition copies of the Marine, SW and Templar book because someone at a store walked off with them. Now, I'm less likely to leave them or the rulebook just laying around.
I dunno about the Librarian. I still think one of the beast TDA Librarians models is the one from the most recent two editions of Space Hulk, even without him being in an action pose. The last version that was in metal/now finecast always looked a bit too bulky for me, even in TDA.
AegisGrimm wrote: I dunno about the Librarian. I still think one of the beast TDA Librarians models is the one from the most recent two editions of Space Hulk, even without him being in an action pose. The last version that was in metal/now finecast always looked a bit too bulky for me, even in TDA.
The blood angels librarian is very similar to the Calistarius model that comes with SH.
Shoot I would rather pay for a new book every 2 years then have a book so completely behind the times that it is almost unplayable for 2 of its 4 year span because of rules changes or other things that happen. There is a new trend in army design that adds a lot of customization options to my army? Gimme gimme. My here is some new equipment options that mean I mig be to use more of my models or have more diversity? Gimme Gimme. Deathwatch supplement? TAKE ALL MY MONEY
I don't know about all of you, but I spend hours just building lists, looking at composition, trying to find combos. Even the rumors of units get me thinking about lists and how would I work them in. One of the things that adds value to me is the extra time, extra things that are part of the hobby. Buying, building, and painting is just one aspect. There is the socializing, the strategy sessions, the online bitching and counter bitching, the game playing itself, the creative avenue inspired by the game, the novels and background. All of it combines together to add additional value for me. So while you can just compare the prices sure and one is found wanting compared to the other in that particular realm it is not an accurate assessment for everyone.
I tried war machine, love the models what little lore I read was quite good. However the hobby size was lacking for me trying to deal with all those metal models with little horns that kept getting lost...the list building was a lot of fun until I realized how actually limiting it was to build a list and have a good game out of it. Also I couldn't play the way I wanted to and so o dropped it. I have considered getting back into it since I love the Haley models, however the lack of ability to customize is one of the things that drove me away in the first place. I can't modify a menoth jack to look like a cryx corrupted monstrosity and have people want to play against it, so on and so forth. War machine did not have the additional value beyond the models that made me want to continue playing.
As to the librarian of the head is detachable I am a fan, if not I don't like it. It's dangerous out there but a god damn helmet on.
Leth wrote: Shoot I would rather pay for a new book every 2 years then have a book so completely behind the times that it is almost unplayable for 2 of its 4 year span because of rules changes or other things that happen.
Exactly the reason I would rather see GW abandon the Codex system completely, and just release the army lists alongside the core rules, ala 3rd edition.
Then they could use the time in between editions to share out model releases equally, and introduce new units with dataslate-style rules offerings or White Dwarf.
Leth wrote: Shoot I would rather pay for a new book every 2 years then have a book so completely behind the times that it is almost unplayable for 2 of its 4 year span because of rules changes or other things that happen.
Exactly the reason I would rather see GW abandon the Codex system completely, and just release the army lists alongside the core rules, ala 3rd edition.
Then they could use the time in between editions to share out model releases equally, and introduce new units with dataslate-style rules offerings or White Dwarf.
I throughly agree, I have gone all digital(family share for some sweet sweet savings) and so a lot of the new context doesn't bother me. Hell the iPad has paid for itself at this point.
The issue I think is that they are stuck in this hybrid print/digital age where they probably want to go all digital but enough of the client base won't use it, meaning they have to keep things in print. However if they update the digital the people with print copies get up in arms and complain since they fixed something or changed something In the digital version. Personally I am loving all of these data slate formations. None of them outside the tau one have really been over powering but they offer a fun way to build an alternate list and give you some cool options and rules for doing so.
I mean if it was all digital then it would be easy to make small unit tweeks or points cost changes/updates(which they used to do back in the day). But until we get to that point they are kinda stuck in the cycle of "it's this price in this book, so we have to keep it as standard as possible for similar units." I mean I hope that they errata the blood Angels to get grav cannons, it seems wrong that they and the wolves were excluded simply because the kit was not out and now since it is the dev kit for all chapters they should be able to use what they get.
A company who won't even release a FAQ doesn't strike me as someone who will use the benefits of a digital format to enrich the play experience of their customers.
MrFlutterPie wrote: I agree most things in life are cheaper when bought used. However, the point that I was trying to illustrate is that retail prices drop for video games and retail prices for GW goes up.
Video games also enjoy a massive used market allowing for even more savings as well.
I think that video games are probably the worst analogy to use if you're trying to argue "reasonable prices" or anything like that. Video games have almost universally moved to a model where it's base game + DLC and either single transfer/no transfer accounts or digital distribution. Don't even get me started on in-game purchases. Video game manufacturers would like nothing better than killing the used game market entirely, and make every effort to drain the possible revenue from a title or franchise to the last possible penny a player would pay. If there were blood in a rock, they'd get it out
Once video games get old (and nobody buys them), the prices plummet -- even when you buy them "new". The problem is, by then, there are newer, better games out...
The other thing that isn't really a good comparison is that the lifespan of even the best video games is much, much shorter than the lifespan of a good cast. There are lots of models in the 10-15 year range that are still very relevant, but you can't say that about any computer games. You'll be lucky if you can even get them loaded.
I think that the topic of "how fast should GW release rule changes" is a fascinating one.
I'm a lot like Leth in this regard. If **my** faction feels old, take my bloody money and give me a new codex already. I spent countless hours building lists, and trying things out, even playing 40k with myself to see if some hair-brained idea might have merit for the next time I get together with friends (or to see if I should buy/paint a bunch of models that I otherwise wouldn't). So 2 years does not feel at all short for me.
On the other hand, I agree with Insaniak's position, too, that a great solution is to just publish army lists sans all the other stuff, which could go into fluff books that you might or might not buy. I don't think there's a hope in hell GW will do that though.
What I'd really like to see -- that I think is possible -- is a rules subscription, where you pay $20 / month, and you get access to all the rulebooks digitally for as long as you subscribe. I think that's more money than most people spend on codices anyhow. Perhaps a lower amount, too, whatever works (there could be a tiered service where you get a smaller number of books available for less money, too).
Even so, GW must be careful how often it changes its rules, because otherwise it will upset some people whose armies are suddenly less competitive.
I also agree, Insaniak, that a roadmap of sorts would be very helpful. I don't think it's necessary to nail down dates, but just knowing SM is coming in Q2 would be great.
IronBars wrote: Will these upgrade packs be web only or also available in store? Can't really see the difference anymore on the gw website.
In stores for a one shot deal. Then off to direct.
Is this confirmed?
It's generally fairly safe to assume mikhaila knows what he's talking about, yes.
Fair enough. I guess I will have to buy the two BA ones I ever foresee myself needing. Since BA have a Tactical Squad, I only would ever need one for my Assault Squads and Vanguard Veterans (I have the OLD shoulder pads...two weeks before these were announced, but I want the new ones).
WD #70 (with the Assault Squad on the cover) only mentions the transfers being online only. The upgrade sprues appear to be in-store. At least for a limited time.
I remember the days when a Battleforce was a larger one-time investment with the promise of better value. These ones are ridiculous! Saving maybe 15% off buying it all separately? Brutal!
As someone else said, the Ravenwing Command Squad is heinously overpriced as it is. $20 Cdn difference over the normal Ravenwing bikers? Yeesh...
I just read the White Dwarf post on the website, and saw:
There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
Crazyterran wrote: I just read the White Dwarf post on the website, and saw:
There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
Oh yes. Yessss.
I am afraid they are probably going to cost like 30 pts or more since they are pretty close to Thunder Hammers (they trade Concussive for Armourbane and Specialist Weapon v. Two-Handed is a wash). Still, I would rather have Death Company with Evicerators than Power Fists or Thunder Hammers.
IronBars wrote: Will these upgrade packs be web only or also available in store? Can't really see the difference anymore on the gw website.
In stores for a one shot deal. Then off to direct.
Is that the case with all the direct stuff when it is released?
More accurately, we suspect it will become web-only. Which is different than direct, since our local stores can still order it (and at least in Canada, give you a discount), but takes a long time to arrive. But who knows.
Crazyterran wrote: I just read the White Dwarf post on the website, and saw:
There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
Oh yes. Yessss.
I am afraid they are probably going to cost like 30 pts or more since they are pretty close to Thunder Hammers (they trade Concussive for Armourbane and Specialist Weapon v. Two-Handed is a wash). Still, I would rather have Death Company with Evicerators than Power Fists or Thunder Hammers.
Sadly... who knows how long it will take before DC get the Eviscerators :(
Crazyterran wrote: I just read the White Dwarf post on the website, and saw:
There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
Oh yes. Yessss.
I am afraid they are probably going to cost like 30 pts or more since they are pretty close to Thunder Hammers (they trade Concussive for Armourbane and Specialist Weapon v. Two-Handed is a wash). Still, I would rather have Death Company with Evicerators than Power Fists or Thunder Hammers.
Sadly... who knows how long it will take before DC get the Eviscerators :(
Probably somewhere around never :( A man can dream, though. I would be much more afraid of a blood-crazed maniac with a giant chainsaw on a stick than one with a big mallet or overgrown hand.
Crazyterran wrote: I just read the White Dwarf post on the website, and saw:
There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
Oh yes. Yessss.
I am afraid they are probably going to cost like 30 pts or more since they are pretty close to Thunder Hammers (they trade Concussive for Armourbane and Specialist Weapon v. Two-Handed is a wash). Still, I would rather have Death Company with Evicerators than Power Fists or Thunder Hammers.
Don't get me wrong, I think the option of giving Assault Squads a reliable anti-tank weapon is laudable. And not to piss on your Wheaties, but the reason folks don't take Assault Squads isn't because they can't bust tanks. The reason folks don't take assault squads is because they shot to hell before they can do anything. There's a reason that everyone's been playing White Scars armies - because bikes, in addition to having mobility AND the ability to take multiple special weapons, are also more survivable than your standard line Marine. Until you give Assault Marines the ability to survive longer moving up the field toward their targets OR give them the ability to assault immediately after deepstriking, they're still going to be overpriced and underqualified for what you need them to do - even if you allow them all to take eviscerators. I mean, look at Death Company (as noted by casvalremdeikun) - they've got FNP to help out, but you still don't see people winning tourneys with BA Death Company armies.
Argh! And the more I think about this release, the more frustrated I get. Someone made the point earlier about how, 'Shouldn't the Chaplain be on a bike?' - which, frankly is a fairly valid question. And yeah, the new Librarian is....zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, sorry, what? Oh man, so incredibly boring. I mean, I'm not a fan of the recent wave of Power Armor Librarians and I think Tigurius looks ridiculous. The only Librarian that GW's done a decent job with in recent years is Calistarius from Space Hulk. And while we're on that subject, while Calistarius is nice and the new BA Librarian is decent, when you're pushing for points, do you really want to pay a Terminator Armor tax? How often do you think, "You know what this list needs? A librarian in Terminator Armor!" As bad as Terminators are these days, it's a rare occasion that I think that. Seriously - what does GW have against decent-looking Librarian models in power armor?
I'm digging the new Dark Angel Chaplain. Not a fan of the rest of the new SM stuff thus far. The Librarian looks particularly uninspired.
That DA Chaplain though, it just oozes the kind of old school 40k imagery that hits all of my buttons, it looks like it was taken right out of a piece of 2E codex art, which is awesome.
The Deer Hunter wrote: In the new AM box there is only one eviscerator, so its difficult thinking you can equip every Marine with one.
And yet, I believe, that was what the White Dwarf said
Probably, you can equip your whole Devastator squad with grav cannons or your whole ASM squad with grav pistols, too.
Of coursie, you could just kitbash yourself 2h chainswords.
the whole ASM squad with grav pistols (or any other special weapon) is not a Space Marines option, only Vanguard has it.
probably is the same as actual codex, 2 plasma pistol or 2 flamer, plus the sergent loadout
I just hope for a few little changes that give basic infantry marines a reason to exist at all in the 40k universe.
Knights, monsters and D-weapons are the current norm.
And anything (else) has to be fast to be able to get to objectives.
Any Infantry that is not fast is more or less only good for holding objectives.
I try an army of 6x10 tacticals plus a bit of support like assault marines, a vehicle or two etc. just to see how the current edition and space marine codex works for them.=
No terminators, no bikes, no Thunderfire cannon.
Currently it does not work at all.
It's all way too slow, cannot survive at all against Knights and the only model that can be worthwile is a maxed chapter master with jump pack hidden in a cheap assault marine unit.
One thing might help: the return of what i called "the big equaliser" in 2nd edition: the vortex grenade.
Let it cost 75 points and kill any 1 model it hits or let it return as a D-grenade in assault.
That would change the meta and give assault marines the ooomph they need... ;-)
the whole ASM squad with grav pistols (or any other special weapon) is not a Space Marines option, only Vanguard has it.
probably is the same as actual codex, 2 plasma pistol or 2 flamer, plus the sergent loadout
Obviously, it's not currently an option I was being cynical, and suggesting this would be a way to get people to buy 5 boxes (to get 5 Eviscerators or 5 grav pistols). I don't actually think this would happen; otherwise, they'd give the squad the Scatter Laser treatment, and add 5 grav pistols. Besides, people would just buy 6 boxes of assault marines to get 30 jumping grav pistols.
The actual text said something like, it wasn't only the sergeant that could have the Eviscerator. So in all seriousness, it could EITHER mean, multiple eviscerators, or 1 eviscerator, but it can be on the sergeant or another squadmate.
casvalremdeikun wrote: I don't see why you couldn't give the whole Dev squad grav. With the addition of a Combi-Grav on the Sergeant (or a Grav Pistol), you can be all Grav.
Who knows, but we're all dying to find out The Dev squad has always had one of the worst kitting combinations in the game, in terms of buying 1 box and being able to build anything resembling the squad that you really want. Unless you really want variety, that is!
I suspect that it will be like the current loadout -- any 4 can take heavy weapons, sergeant can take ranged weapon. Still, they could limit it to 1 Grav Cannon (with Grav amp!), if they felt it would be too powerful to load out 4 to a squad.
We still haven't heard anything on if those Warhammer World tanks are going to see general release, have we? I want Hit and Run or Counter-attack on my Blood Angels or Split-Fire on my Crimson Fists!
To be honest, I don't mind them doing the two year update thing as long as they fix the rules for the armies, but it feels like 2 steps forward and 3 steps back most of the time lol.
angelofvengeance wrote: To be honest, I don't mind them doing the two year update thing as long as they fix the rules for the armies, but it feels like 2 steps forward and 3 steps back most of the time lol.
You say that now, but when they replace the ruleset again next year, then do WH41K the year after that, you might be singing a different tune.
Is it just me or is the formatting on this completely screwed up? Every block of text under the assault marine images cuts out midway through a sentence.
Edit: checked in both Chrome and Firefox, same result. GW's website is truly terrible.
CalgarsPimpHand wrote: Is it just me or is the formatting on this completely screwed up? Every block of text under the assault marine images cuts out midway through a sentence.
Edit: checked in both Chrome and Firefox, same result. GW's website is truly terrible.
I have the same pro
I am running Firefox on Archlinux. Which operating system are y
Actually, the block of text under the assault marine with plasma and chainsword is okay. It is the others that are cu
Automatically Appended Next Post: Better pics of the upcoming Interrogator Chaplain:
Ok. Initial reaction time.
Librarian - Hrmm. This looks...fugly. The cape is confused. The model looks oddly awkwardly and disjointed. That's not a fluid model at all. Ew. No. It looks cumbersome, it looks disjointed, the cape looks confused and against the motion of the miniature and the armament is...odd.
Interrogator Chaplain - This I like. It's more flavour for the Dark Angels, it looks nice and gothic and hey, it's going fluid motion.
How odd that they show two miniatures that are just on opposite ends of the quality scale. One great, one gash.
@DarkStarSabre - I think the libby is pretty par for the course on what I'd expect of a librarian in terminator armor. I think I see your issue with the cape, but I kind of liked the curl forward (makes it look like the wind is blowing from the back). It's a change from the usual cape thing anyhow, and that's cool.
I think most peeps pretty much agrees the chaplain is exactly what you'd imagine one in your mind's eye of a DA chaplain! I like him too.
@General Kroll - people with formatting problems are using uncommon browsers and/or operating systems, and Dakka just hasn't tested some bit of HTML against it. **shrug** half the internet doesn't appear as intended when you use uncommon setups, so you either suck it up, or use what everyone else is using
Crazyterran wrote: I just read the White Dwarf post on the website, and saw:
There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.
Oh yes. Yessss.
I am afraid they are probably going to cost like 30 pts or more since they are pretty close to Thunder Hammers (they trade Concussive for Armourbane and Specialist Weapon v. Two-Handed is a wash). Still, I would rather have Death Company with Evicerators than Power Fists or Thunder Hammers.
Don't get me wrong, I think the option of giving Assault Squads a reliable anti-tank weapon is laudable. And not to piss on your Wheaties, but the reason folks don't take Assault Squads isn't because they can't bust tanks. The reason folks don't take assault squads is because they shot to hell before they can do anything. There's a reason that everyone's been playing White Scars armies - because bikes, in addition to having mobility AND the ability to take multiple special weapons, are also more survivable than your standard line Marine. Until you give Assault Marines the ability to survive longer moving up the field toward their targets OR give them the ability to assault immediately after deepstriking, they're still going to be overpriced and underqualified for what you need them to do - even if you allow them all to take eviscerators. I mean, look at Death Company (as noted by casvalremdeikun) - they've got FNP to help out, but you still don't see people winning tourneys with BA Death Company armies.
Not to argue, but there is nothing wrong with assault marines in drop pod lists. You trade their useless pack for a pod and can take 2 flamers and a combi flamer in 5 models. Dropping in and spraying 3 flamers, a grenade and a pistol is not bad at all. Now you can trade that last pistol for an evicerator depending on cost which when paired with melta bombs on sarge can make the unit dual purpose on vehicles/MC's after the initial bake sale.
If deathwind launchers cause pining as rumored that unit is actually incredible.
Talys wrote: @General Kroll - people with formatting problems are using uncommon browsers and/or operating systems, and Dakka just hasn't tested some bit of HTML against it. **shrug** half the internet doesn't appear as intended when you use uncommon setups, so you either suck it up, or use what everyone else is using
If it was on Dakka, it would be okay. But on GW's official website, it is embarrassing for GW. And what is uncommon about Firefox? It is a pretty common browser! Just like Archlinux is a common operating system.
Talys wrote: @General Kroll - people with formatting problems are using uncommon browsers and/or operating systems, and Dakka just hasn't tested some bit of HTML against it. **shrug** half the internet doesn't appear as intended when you use uncommon setups, so you either suck it up, or use what everyone else is using
If it was on Dakka, it would be okay. But on GW's official website, it is embarrassing for GW. And what is uncommon about Firefox? It is a pretty common browser! Just like Archlinux is a common operating system.
Firefox may be a common browser, but Archlinux is not that common an operating system.
AegisGrimm wrote: I dunno about the Librarian. I still think one of the beast TDA Librarians models is the one from the most recent two editions of Space Hulk, even without him being in an action pose. The last version that was in metal/now finecast always looked a bit too bulky for me, even in TDA.
very disapointing. They keep clam packing models they already have. When the DE book came out they released a new Succubus and a new Archon to replace finecast models. They added no new options, and the models didnt look any better than the previous models. Made for a very sad release. Nerfed book, crappier models, give us money approach. Instead they could have added a few options or kept one or two of the special characters.
Talys wrote: @General Kroll - people with formatting problems are using uncommon browsers and/or operating systems, and Dakka just hasn't tested some bit of HTML against it. **shrug** half the internet doesn't appear as intended when you use uncommon setups, so you either suck it up, or use what everyone else is using
The totally uncommon setup of any combination of Windows 7, Windows 8, Chrome, and Firefox? (the various permutations of which probably cover half of everyone on the internet?) I just wanted to see the exact text about eviscerators - I feel like it really means "any marine" can have one as in "any 1 marine per 5 marines, not limited to just the sergeant", but I'd be pleasantly surprised if they really let any number of assault marines take one.
Actually, the Librarian looks quite unified in movement, with the cape, keys, face, everything. It looks like he is spinning to face a target to his right with the storm bolter.
Talys wrote: @General Kroll - people with formatting problems are using uncommon browsers and/or operating systems, and Dakka just hasn't tested some bit of HTML against it. **shrug** half the internet doesn't appear as intended when you use uncommon setups, so you either suck it up, or use what everyone else is using
The totally uncommon setup of any combination of Windows 7, Windows 8, Chrome, and Firefox? (the various permutations of which probably cover half of everyone on the internet?) I just wanted to see the exact text about eviscerators - I feel like it really means "any marine" can have one as in "any 1 marine per 5 marines, not limited to just the sergeant", but I'd be pleasantly surprised if they really let any number of assault marines take one.
Don't have a problem with Windows 8 or 10 using Explorer, Edge/Spartan or Chrome. I don't know what the problem is, then, sorry.
I don't think it said that you could have more than 1/5. If I recall, it said something like, the sergeant wasn't the only one that could take an Eviscerator (not necessarily implying that you could have more than 1 total). The text was ambiguous IIRC.
pretre wrote: If you look in the page source, it is actually missing.
So I assume we're to forge the narrative then?
"They are the Hemoplasma elite Assault Marines of the Blood Angels chapter. Bathed in the blood of the worshipers of the blood god, they use their Clot Bolt Pistols and Sanguine Chainswords to gore the bloody daemons of Khorne. I HAVE THE PAGE FOR BLOOD BOOKMARKED IN MY THESAURUS is their blood curdling cry."
Lockark wrote: why are DA getting new modles when the SM codex is getting updated? I don't get it.
We are getting an DA codex as well and the releases will most likely be in different weeks.
I already posted this elsewhere, but taking all leaks and rumours and the afore mentioned hints for the next week into consideration, a Release Schedule COULD look like this:
6th of June: Devastators + Codex Adeptus Astartes: Space Marines (CONFIRMED)
13th of June: Libby + X (Command Tanks?) (Libby almost CONFIRMED)
20th of June: Interrogator Chaplain + Codex Adeptus Astartes: Dark Angels
27th of June: X (possibly new citadel colour sets as those including the old brush range are sold out)
4th of July: Age Of Sigmar (CONFIRMED)
Warhams-77 wrote: Timotheus, I know how you intended it, but these are not the release dates but preorder dates Cheers
Damnit you are right. We already talked about that. It's the way my brain works... So pls add 7 days to all the dates. And thanks to you Warhams-77 to point that out.
When the Imperial Guard was being released the thread was over 100 pages long. Is interest in the releases getting smaller or is it because if how things are being released?
It was missing for me too a few hours ago. Now it is back.
“They’ve also been built without the ruined bits of rubble on their bases. Again, building them this way leaves you with loads of spare parts for future conversions.”
Weird stuff is happening on GW's website.
