Reformatted Warhammer 40000: Eldar Dire AvengersThe Dire Avengers squad has been repackaged as a five miniature boxed set (including the option of making an Exarch)
So does this mean they are discontinuing the 10-man Dire Avenger box, or are they having both kits available (equivalent to Marines having Tactical/Combat Squad boxes)?
JohnnyHell wrote: GW doesn't update army. Dakka: "GW never does anything creative. They're lazy."
GW releases entirely new unit. Dakka: "GW never does anything creative. They're lazy."
Ahhh, Dakka, you're more predictable (and lazy) than GW itself.
Dakka is not a hive mind organism. It's hardly surprising that in a community of thousands, people have opinions on what is going on...
Never any shortage of opinions, you're right there. ;-)
Myself, I don't see what this adds to the fluff/game, but it sure as hell makes sense from a sales POV to try and sell everyone a new toy that didn't exist before (so they couldn't have had before and MUST BUY). I'm reserving judgement on the model 'til i see some weapon options / less boring paintjobs / better photos.
JohnnyHell wrote: GW doesn't update army. Dakka: "GW never does anything creative. They're lazy."
GW releases entirely new unit. Dakka: "GW never does anything creative. They're lazy."
Ahhh, Dakka, you're more predictable (and lazy) than GW itself.
Dakka is not a hive mind organism. It's hardly surprising that in a community of thousands, people have opinions on what is going on...
Never any shortage of opinions, you're right there. ;-)
Myself, I don't see what this adds to the fluff/game, but it sure as hell makes sense from a sales POV to try and sell everyone a new toy that didn't exist before (so they couldn't have had before and MUST BUY). I'm reserving judgement on the model 'til i see some weapon options / less boring paintjobs / better photos.
Given Fantasy has largely moved to the "Big Centrepiece Model" model, it's no surprise that 40k is headed that way too.
As you can tell from my moniker and avatar I play Eldar, and have been doing so for a long time. I can't express how disappointed I am at the release. I have been waiting for exodites since 2nd ed. Instead we get a giant robot which did not exist in the fluff, just like every other 40k army. There really is less and less reason to play different armies at this point, as they have the same types of units. Back in the day even movement differed between armies. Maybe the genius game designers will make everyone toughness 4.
Is there any difference between the Dire Avengers sprue available in the Battleforce, and the sprues available in the box? If not, I guess its just a repack.
Also, seems a very lackey release, I mean - not even new jetbikes?
tarnish wrote: Every single time something new gets released from GW its the same thing: Some autistic and overtly paranoid "pro gamers" cry out in dismay and wail in unison that this will destroy said race and the game will die horribly because of this new addition.
Get... over..it! The model is comming and there is nothing you can do about it. Stop crying, gather your 2nd ed minis and go pretend its the past in a closet without internet connection.
Thank you for that constructive putdown, Sir. I'm sure we're all resting more peacefully in our beds knowing that a wit of Sir's caliber is deployed in the defence of poor, beleaguered Games Workshop. And might I congratulate Sir on the rare double-whammy of insulting both the autistic and everyone who deigns to disagree with Sir on a matter as vital to universal happiness as the aesthetics of a plastic figurine.
Truly, we are in the presence of giants.
His Master's Voice wrote: Using quotes from crappy movies to justify being a pr*ck is the new black I hear.
Compared to some of the excrement being flung around here, it's positively Shakespearean, i assure you.
Can´t say that im defending GWs honor (and why would i?). It´s just tiresome to have to wade through all the ire that a new release brings forth to actually be able to talk about the release... If i have to offend the poor, beleaguered naysayers to tone down the whining then i would call it a fair trade off.
There are a couple of neat things here, mainly plastic wraithguard.
It is pretty disappointing that the release is only a fraction of what was rumored. And the rumored names for the flyers (lamia/moon siren) were much better.
I'm hoping the Dire Avenger repack doesn't turn out to be the same price as the current box of ten.
Kroothawk wrote: From some unnamed 4chan source, quoted on Warseer:
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Repacked:
WINDRIDER JETBIKE SQUAD - 3 OLD jetbikes.
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Are they that short of cash or resource to update that jetbike model from 1994!
What make it so confusing it that we KNOW that they aren't. Prototype designs for the Eldar Jetbike have been around since Jes started working on the Dark Eldar ones several years ago now. He even stated in interviews that he had worked on a base design for both races which he then split into two projects, the Dark Eldar one which he finished and was release, and the Eldar one which got put on hold a reasonable way through the development cycle until they actually needed it. Tbh this is the only major surprise for me in the initial release purely because of the existing work we know was done on Jetbikes. Other than that we got a flier kit, a bit monster kit and an updated Wraithguard kit (with CC option) + a few random characters, a tad light perhaps but not that surprising. Fortunately the rest of the army holds up pretty well tbh its just the Aspects that haven't been updated (at all) that obviously need a makeover (Hawks, Spiders, Shining Spears)
The Wraithknight is... interesting. I'm a sucker for giant robots so it's hard for me to complain about getting more options, although I can understand the fluff annoyance. I understand that they wanted to give it a pilot and so it has a more barrel shaped chest, but that makes it look very non-Eldar... it's just not slender enough to fit in. It may just be a bad photograph though, so who knows.
I'm fine with supplemental codices. Releasing it along with the main codex is a bit frustrating, but if they plan on doing one for each craftworld I can understand not putting Iyanden in the main codex. Now, if it's a 30USD purchase and iPad only, I'll be good and annoyed but for now... I'm cautiously optimistic.
Kroothawk wrote: The Eldar jetbike prototype is now 6 years old. Maybe they couldn't find it anymore
Nah. They have the prototype, they just lost track of who has the copyright.
Sigh... so no new plastic aspects either? The newest ones are banshees and they're 10 years old aren't they? Aren't the Warp Spiders leftovers from second edition? The only ones that could go without an update are the fire dragons, and unless we see enormous rules changes in this codex, we'd need more of those too because when 50% of your army is made of them, they shouldn't all be made of 3 different poses.
I do like the releases but it seem so insufficient without new jetbikes. A bit absurd that the old model is being used despite a newer model having been finished years ago..
Well... I'm going to hog the old Dire Avenger packages while it lasts... Seriously... lowering it down to 5 guys per box. Would be furious if they price it 31 euros to.
That's great GW are doing supplements for Elements of the army, but how about just printing them in the £30 codex instead.
I could even be made happy if I could buy it as a separate book for between £5-£10, but it's a digital download only. Fantastic, said nobody, anywhere.
pizzaguardian wrote: New Finecast ReleasesWarhammer 40000: Illic Nightspear· A clampack that contains one highly detailed Citadel Finecast resin miniature sculpted by Edgar Ramos. Illic Nightspear is an outcast who has become an deadly assassin armed with the sniper rifle Voidbringer.
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Spiritseer· A clampack that contains one highly detailed Citadel Finecast resin miniature sculpted by Mike Fores. Armed with a Witch Staff and spirit stone wearing a distinctive eyeless helm.Available While Stocks LastThese Items are highly limited, please request the quantity you require and we will supply you as close to this number as we can.
Warhammer 40,000 Psychic Cards: Eldar·This pack contains 14 reference cards that describe the effects of each of the Primaris Powers and the the six psychic powers available to each area of mastery
Eldar Farseer
A plastic Clamp pack containing 1 Eldar Hero in a dynamic mid-casting posse.
What I always wanted - a Farseer with his dynamic posse. Wraithposse
Feeble jokes based on small typo's aside I'm pretty underwhelmed - however plastic Wraithguard sound good - even Wraithblades might be okay if they look cool. For me the background of a pilot weeping or whatever is more emodark than grimdark, the Wraithknight might look better in the flesh but I feel all these new uber-kits are getting a little silly for my tastes. Only time will tell if the repacks are better or worse value than before...
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Hemlock Wraithfighter/ Crimson HunterThis box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes either a Hemlock Wraithfighter or a Crimson Hunter, both new Eldar Flyers. The Hemlock Wraithfighter is a Psychicly armed bomber designer to cause havoc among enemy troops while the Crimson Hunter is an all new aspect warrior class whom excel at aerial combat.
Is anyone else as intrigued by this as I am? It will probably just mean you get BS4 instead of a Guardian's BS3 but I think there should be a phoenix lord whose Eldar name translates to 'The Last Starfighter'.
I might get stoned for this but, I like the walker. GW has been gradually increasing the scale of the conflicts in 40k for a while what with the flyer's that started in the guard codex and have now become a rule set in their own right, as for it not existing in the fluff previously, I beg to differ, many stories written in the 40k universe by both GW and Black Library mention a whole plethora of units belonging to different armies that we havent seen seen and lets face it a bigger wraithlord isn't a MASSIVE jump of imagination, especially with everyone else rolling out their equivalent large scale weapon platforms.
As for "WraithEVERYTHING" thats probably got a lot to do with the coincidental release of an Iyaden supplement released with the Codex, Is this a bad thing? HELL NO it means if other supplements are released for variant lists, they might get their own release waves, maybe GW HAVE new jetbikes models to release but their holding back for a Saim-Hann supplement. Annoying in the short term but potentially paving the way for other variant armies for existing codex's meaning GW could release main Codex;s at a slower pace once their all up to date then release smaller cheaper variant supplements.
On the whole I'm excited and encouraged and I don't even play Eldar. I'm encouraged because it shows potential for a change of practice in how GW runs its business, their always going to screw me over on finance but at least their starting to provide a decent product again.
Putting your gardeners in charge of your combat vehicles is ridiculous imo.
It's fine for the support waves of the attack and your heavy weapon vehicles i.e. war walkers, but not the transport vehicles and battle tanks that are likely in the first waves of an attack.
I am hoping that Aspect Warriors and Wraith units the focus of the codex this time around, with the Guardians in support.
This is how the Eldar fight and the codex needs to reflect that.
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Hemlock Wraithfighter/ Crimson HunterThis box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes either a Hemlock Wraithfighter or a Crimson Hunter, both new Eldar Flyers. The Hemlock Wraithfighter is a Psychicly armed bomber designer to cause havoc among enemy troops while the Crimson Hunter is an all new aspect warrior class whom excel at aerial combat.
Is anyone else as intrigued by this as I am? It will probably just mean you get BS4 instead of a Guardian's BS3 but I think there should be a phoenix lord whose Eldar name translates to 'The Last Starfighter'.
I am intrigued by this but it doesn't bode too well for the Swooping Hawks does it? I thought aerial combat would be their niche if anyones'.
Regarding the lack of new models -- this is kinda what you get when you release codicies at a majorly accelerated rate. They just can't support them like they could with a 5-months-between-releases schedule. GW's machines apparently already run 24 hours a day. We're just going to have to wait for second waves...which I think are definitely coming once they plow through a lot of these new codicies.
Regarding the wasp-waisted, barrel-chested Wraithknight, I've been puttering around with Eldar minis lately, and can say with certainty that those qualities are also present in regular infantry models. Just look at Kabalites or Dire Avengers.
I too call weak sauce on the Wraithknight. No where near as elegant as we expect eldar/dark eldar stuff to be in this day in age. I was hoping for what amounted to a 9" Phantom titan. Bad miniature = no buying.
kestral wrote: I too call weak sauce on the Wraithknight. No where near as elegant as we expect eldar/dark eldar stuff to be in this day in age. I was hoping for what amounted to a 9" Phantom titan. Bad miniature = no buying.
People joked about the heldrake and pretty much every CSM player has 2 regardless of the look.
kestral wrote: I too call weak sauce on the Wraithknight. No where near as elegant as we expect eldar/dark eldar stuff to be in this day in age. I was hoping for what amounted to a 9" Phantom titan. Bad miniature = no buying.
People joked about the heldrake and pretty much every CSM player has 2 regardless of the look.
Which is why the Wraithknight will be overpowered and the Wraithlord will be nerfed. Hey, I may hate the way my army looks but at least I won.
I like this Eldar knight model. I don't like the paint job, though. The colors are too bright. I also like the helldrake, the Riptide, and the DA flier models.
I still hate the flying guppy Space Marine flier and the Nurgle flies with the biting phalluses.
I'm still more interested in the rumored new DA transport. Which looks like it isn't happening.........bah. Like what little of the flyer can be seen. I'll be getting some of those. I'll be slightly disappointed if the codex has units not available to buy at launch,
Insurgency Walker wrote: I'm still more interested in the rumored new DA transport. Which looks like it isn't happening.........bah. Like what little of the flyer can be seen. I'll be getting some of those. I'll be slightly disappointed if the codex has units not available to buy at launch,
I rather people be disappointed than GW not add new units to the codices because they won't be available at launch.
Insurgency Walker wrote: I'm still more interested in the rumored new DA transport. Which looks like it isn't happening.........bah. Like what little of the flyer can be seen. I'll be getting some of those. I'll be slightly disappointed if the codex has units not available to buy at launch,
I rather people be disappointed than GW not add new units to the codices because they won't be available at launch.
Well that is why I tossed out the slightly. I think everyone is used to the idea they will have to do conversions with some armies.
Guess I will be settled in a few weeks. I have the feeling I will probably end up buying Reaver jetbikes and converting the riders because the old jetbikes are just too ugly.
Medium of Death wrote: The Jetbikes on the cover look similar to the ones that were seen at Gamesday all those years ago, and ended up influencing the Dark Eldar jetbikes.
Really? I think they look like the old ones, where the rider sit upright : /
pizzaguardian wrote: I also have the information that Wraithknight has a whoooopoing 70 pounds retail price.
That's pretty mental. That's really taking the piss now. The £50 price tag of the Tau Suit was about as far as I thought they'd go...
Edit: In saying that, we're getting into the realms of FW prices for kits that are a lot easier to prep, albeit worse looking. I'm holding out on the Knight. I think it has the potential to look very good. Official picks shall be the decider.
I have to admit I was a happily blindsided by the idea of a vehicle-based Aspect for the flyers. The closest we got to Aspect vehicles in the fluff before were the Shining Spears as far as I've read. LOVE the idea.
pizzaguardian wrote: I also have the information that Wraithknight has a whoooopoing 70 pounds retail price.
That's pretty mental. That's really taking the piss now. The £50 price tag of the Tau Suit was about as far as I thought they'd go...
Edit: In saying that, we're getting into the realms of FW prices for kits that are a lot easier to prep, albeit worse looking. I'm holding out on the Knight. I think it has the potential to look very good. Official picks shall be the decider.
Is there anything else that is 70 pounds? I'm trying to find out how much it'll cost here by comparing it with something else. The Riptide is $90.00, so if your one is 20 pounds more than the Riptide, the Wraith thing here will well break 100, possibly the most expensive model outside of superheavies?
edit: Jesus it is the superheavy price range. $165 if it is 70 pounds (and is priced the same here as the other 70 pound item, the baneblade)
pizzaguardian wrote: I also have the information that Wraithknight has a whoooopoing 70 pounds retail price.
That's pretty mental. That's really taking the piss now. The £50 price tag of the Tau Suit was about as far as I thought they'd go...
Edit: In saying that, we're getting into the realms of FW prices for kits that are a lot easier to prep, albeit worse looking. I'm holding out on the Knight. I think it has the potential to look very good. Official picks shall be the decider.
Is there anything else that is 70 pounds? I'm trying to find out how much it'll cost here by comparing it with something else. The Riptide is $90.00, so if your one is 20 pounds more than the Riptide, the Wraith thing here will well break 100, possibly the most expensive model outside of superheavies?
spaceelf wrote: Instead we get a giant robot which did not exist in the fluff, just like every other 40k army.
You mean besides the Fire Gale, Towering Destroyer, and Bright Stallion?
Hey, if it actually looked like a Towering Destroyer or a Bright Stallion then I'd have a lot fewer issues with it.
A centaur-walker or a 4-armed giant would at least be interesting.
We seem to have gotten a guardian on steroids that has grabbed a duel-disk on his way to battle instead of his shuriken catapult.
pizzaguardian wrote: I also have the information that Wraithknight has a whoooopoing 70 pounds retail price.
That's pretty mental. That's really taking the piss now. The £50 price tag of the Tau Suit was about as far as I thought they'd go...
Edit: In saying that, we're getting into the realms of FW prices for kits that are a lot easier to prep, albeit worse looking. I'm holding out on the Knight. I think it has the potential to look very good. Official picks shall be the decider.
Is there anything else that is 70 pounds? I'm trying to find out how much it'll cost here by comparing it with something else. The Riptide is $90.00, so if your one is 20 pounds more than the Riptide, the Wraith thing here will well break 100, possibly the most expensive model outside of superheavies?
Imperial Guard Baneblade is £70 on GW site.
Thanks, I found it eventually before refreshing this page. So $165 over here. Ha. Hahaha. Hahahahahaha. Thank god I don't play eldar
pizzaguardian wrote: I also have the information that Wraithknight has a whoooopoing 70 pounds retail price.
A lot of money for 1 model that's likely only 1/10 of your total army. GW probably compares it's prices PP's megadoodz, but those are 20 points, which is nearly half of an army. So while model for model the prices are similar, the cost of building a GW army is very high.
It's a really nice model imo, and I look forward to shooting it full of poison in the near future.
Maybe eventually I'll have a full Eldarzilla army, but GW priced me out of impulse buying.
IF the "no new bikes" rumor is true, then I will very likely be spending no money on the new stuff. I want to paint up a new batch of bikes for my army, using painting techniques that I've learned since doing my last unit... but I'm not going to waste that on the ancient models and I don't really have the interest in converting the old bikes to look better (I already did that project once, and I really dislike repeating prior work).
The Knight I do like, in general terms, but it looks very much like the legs are one piece each, which is very disappointing. If I'm not getting new bikes to paint up, the Knight is not impressive enough for me to want to pick up as well. Given the layout of my army as it currently plays, unless the thing has a 12" move from its huge legs it just doesn't fit.
Overall, I'm looking forward to the new book, but without new bikes I won't have enough new items to paint to make it worth making any sort of large time investment in updating my army.
pretre wrote: Final nail in the coffin for that 'leaked' release list. Thankfully.
I don't understand, it's good that it's 70 pounds?
No, I wasn't commenting on the price. I was saying that the Eldar release finally kills that 'leaked' release list from last year that everyone thought was the cat's meow. Previous releases had seriously damaged it but some folks keep going on about how June was still coming blah blah. Eldar was a significant part of it and just got proven false.
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That.... isn't what I was expecting the Wraithknight to look like. I'm not sure if I like it or not. It seems like once again the head is too small and the arms are kind of puny and short. And is it just me, or does this thing not quite have the same aesthetic as the previous Eldar mecha?
I can't tell you all how absolutely gutted I am about this (potentially) incredibly weak release.., I have been waiting on new Eldar minis for a decade now and am totally underwhelmed by what is being touted here. No new Aspect models? No new Jetbikes? A stupid Wraith-Mecha-Walker-Anime nonsense kit and a downloadable only rules supplement that could have easily been put into the Codex?! Which will most likely have to be FAQ'd within a week of release?
Brilliant. Just brilliant.
Not to mention that the Iyanden rules supplement smells distinctly like a cash grab by a company that is very obviously rushing the release and grabbing at straws.. I would very likely have bought a new Battleforce, but judging from this, I really can't see the point. I mean, why not change the damn Jetbikes FFS?! They have been the same since I was 14 years old. 14.
pizzaguardian wrote: I also have the information that Wraithknight has a whoooopoing 70 pounds retail price.
That's pretty mental. That's really taking the piss now. The £50 price tag of the Tau Suit was about as far as I thought they'd go...
Edit: In saying that, we're getting into the realms of FW prices for kits that are a lot easier to prep, albeit worse looking. I'm holding out on the Knight. I think it has the potential to look very good. Official picks shall be the decider.
Is there anything else that is 70 pounds? I'm trying to find out how much it'll cost here by comparing it with something else. The Riptide is $90.00, so if your one is 20 pounds more than the Riptide, the Wraith thing here will well break 100, possibly the most expensive model outside of superheavies?
Imperial Guard Baneblade is £70 on GW site.
Thanks, I found it eventually before refreshing this page. So $165 over here. Ha. Hahaha. Hahahahahaha. Thank god I don't play eldar
Probably we will get slapped with an extra 10% because kanji need more ink so I win On a second thought it's great! Please GW don't price it so low, 100 pounds it`s what that kit is wanting! That way combined with the lack of official support for tournaments and other stuff I'll start exporting Armored Core kits like crazy
pizzaguardian wrote: I also have the information that Wraithknight has a whoooopoing 70 pounds retail price.
That's pretty mental. That's really taking the piss now. The £50 price tag of the Tau Suit was about as far as I thought they'd go...
Edit: In saying that, we're getting into the realms of FW prices for kits that are a lot easier to prep, albeit worse looking. I'm holding out on the Knight. I think it has the potential to look very good. Official picks shall be the decider.
Is there anything else that is 70 pounds? I'm trying to find out how much it'll cost here by comparing it with something else. The Riptide is $90.00, so if your one is 20 pounds more than the Riptide, the Wraith thing here will well break 100, possibly the most expensive model outside of superheavies?
Imperial Guard Baneblade is £70 on GW site.
Thanks, I found it eventually before refreshing this page. So $165 over here. Ha. Hahaha. Hahahahahaha. Thank god I don't play eldar
Probably we will get slapped with an extra 10% because kanji need more ink so I win On a second thought it's great! Please GW don't price it so low, 100 pounds it`s what that kit is wanting! That way combined with the lack of official support for tournaments and other stuff I'll start exporting Armored Core kits like crazy
M.
I forgot about you guys. It's 13,500 yen apparently (for the baneblade, i could be misreading that, navigation is difficult when you don't understand anything...), which adds up to roughly 135 in Aus. Using Google Calculator, that means that we are back in the winning seat!
I really wish GW would have kept Barbie and Gundam out of the Eldar. Tau, yes. But Eldar wearing high heels, contemtper dread armor to cover its boobs, and an aspect warrior head makes me think there's someone not paying attention to Epic Phantoms and Forgeworld.
I do like the flyer. Doesn't look quite as phallic as we were lead to believe.
Wow, that is steep for Aussies. If you bought it here (discounter), delivered to a UK address then mailed it to Oz, it would still be about $50 AUD cheaper (not inc. normal Oz delivery postage).
Any Ozzies need a Scottish penpal? lol
That's if you use sensible real world exchange rates. GW in all their magnanimity do not lest our minds be damaged by how difficult it's to adjust prices downward
sarpedons-right-hand wrote: I can't tell you all how absolutely gutted I am about this (potentially) incredibly weak release.., I have been waiting on new Eldar minis for a decade now and am totally underwhelmed by what is being touted here. No new Aspect models? No new Jetbikes? A stupid Wraith-Mecha-Walker-Anime nonsense kit and a downloadable only rules supplement that could have easily been put into the Codex?! Which will most likely have to be FAQ'd within a week of release?
Brilliant. Just brilliant.
Not to mention that the Iyanden rules supplement smells distinctly like a cash grab by a company that is very obviously rushing the release and grabbing at straws.. I would very likely have bought a new Battleforce, but judging from this, I really can't see the point. I mean, why not change the damn Jetbikes FFS?! They have been the same since I was 14 years old. 14.
If the Iyanden rules are official for regular games then it is obviously a gimmick to get people to buy the digital stuff, and another attack on indy retailers. Im not impressed with the direct copy Wraithtide, but it will depend greatly on its rules whether or not it sees table use, especially since we can expect it to be $100.
Ive been waiting for this since 5th, its got a lot of expectations to meet.
Miguelsan wrote: That's if you use sensible real world exchange rates. GW in all their magnanimity do not lest our minds be damaged by how difficult it's to adjust prices downward
M.
I don't understand, it isn't because of the exchange rates that we win, it's because I was using the one kit from GW which is the same price as the rumoured price for this thing, and we (Australians) have the most expensive. Because $165 is worth more than 13500 yen. But then it is nearly 1am, I am probably making a silly error somewhere
sarpedons-right-hand wrote: I can't tell you all how absolutely gutted I am about this (potentially) incredibly weak release.., I have been waiting on new Eldar minis for a decade now and am totally underwhelmed by what is being touted here. No new Aspect models? No new Jetbikes? A stupid Wraith-Mecha-Walker-Anime nonsense kit and a downloadable only rules supplement that could have easily been put into the Codex?! Which will most likely have to be FAQ'd within a week of release?
Brilliant. Just brilliant.
Not to mention that the Iyanden rules supplement smells distinctly like a cash grab by a company that is very obviously rushing the release and grabbing at straws.. I would very likely have bought a new Battleforce, but judging from this, I really can't see the point. I mean, why not change the damn Jetbikes FFS?! They have been the same since I was 14 years old. 14.
Because GW is incredibly risk-averse at the moment and updating a kit to plastic or already in plastic is a huge risk for them. If they release the jetbikes, for argument's sake, and the new model is fantastic, how many people will buy it? Of those that are buying it, how many own existing models? Of that population, how many are going to sell their old models, putting a glut of jetbikes on the market that diminishes demand given how exorbitant the prices will be compared to buying models second-hand. The answer is unknowable, but it's a reasonable assumption that an update will produce a lot of secondary market trading. GW clearly views that, as many not-quite-smart companies do, as a lost sale. If you look at the past releases, an exceedingly small number of existing units have actually been updated, and very few at all if you remove dual kits that also make a new unit. The Tau got the only two that I can think of readily, and one of those was replacing one of the worst kits to assemble in GW's entire range (Broadside).
If they release something new, everyone will buy it if the rules are good enough (which they will be, for exactly that reason). As there is no secondary market, there are no "lost" sales, even if the overall volume is not as high as it could have been. This gives them the nice, predictable numbers they seem so enamored with at the moment.
In other news, I don't mind the look of the Wraithknight, but I'm also leery of GW likely charging an insane amount for it. We're coming up on the timeframe for the annual price hike after all. It's in the "maybe" pile, but I can easily see GW pricing it such that I don't go for it.
So your telling me that a super heavy walker is cheaper than a normal 40k kit?
Wow GW logic right there...
A Stompa is £70 now.
If that really is the WK price, these prices are starting to look like a bad joke. I was going to buy some of the new HE Shadow Warriors for conversion purposes, but the £30 price tag put me off. I wouldn't mind a Riptide, but it's hard to justify the £50 for something I'd mainly be buying for the rules (the model itself is a bit "action figure" for my taste). I converted my own Broadsides because getting four of the new ones would have come to £120. It's almost as if GW are trying to push their luck with pricing as far as they can...
Flood wrote: Wow, that is steep for Aussies. If you bought it here (discounter), delivered to a UK address then mailed it to Oz, it would still be about $50 AUD cheaper (not inc. normal Oz delivery postage).
Any Ozzies need a Scottish penpal? lol
Sorry for going OT
Haven't people been over this already?
Don't Aussie's earn more on average? thus they pay more on average?
Flood wrote: Wow, that is steep for Aussies. If you bought it here (discounter), delivered to a UK address then mailed it to Oz, it would still be about $50 AUD cheaper (not inc. normal Oz delivery postage).
Any Ozzies need a Scottish penpal? lol
Sorry for going OT
Haven't people been over this already?
Don't Aussie's earn more on average? thus they pay more on average?
I really need to keep one of H.B.M.C's or Insaniak's really intelligent posts which show just how wrong that idea is ready for when someone else brings it up. But we shouldn't go too far off topic here.
Are you counting that release list you posted? I don't usually count 'leaks' when we are this close. It really isn't a rumor when you're a week out except in some specific circumstances.
Are you counting that release list you posted? I don't usually count 'leaks' when we are this close. It really isn't a rumor when you're a week out except in some specific circumstances.
Are you counting that release list you posted? I don't usually count 'leaks' when we are this close. It really isn't a rumor when you're a week out except in some specific circumstances.
Okay
I (and I imagine a lot of others) do really appreciate it. The leak for the release list helps me run down the other rumors and give out a bunch of true/falses.
Just because you don't get a true, doesn't mean that we don't appreciate you.
So your telling me that a super heavy walker is cheaper than a normal 40k kit?
Wow GW logic right there...
Well technically the Wraithknight is a Knight class titan. It's the same height as a stompa and just about 2-3 inches shorter than a Warhound titan. Just because is has a much slimmer frame and that they are now including small titans in normal 40k lists, doesn't mean GW will charge less.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the price, however people have been begging for plastic titans for ages, and now they get them. They just shouldn't be surprised GW is going to charge an arm and a leg for them.
I'm pissed that Dire Avengers went from a 10 to a box..down to 5 per box. That means even with 2 boxes you only have 8 regular guys and 2 exarchs...dumb. Why screw with that boxed set at all? It was fine as is. It would be nice if the Eldar got a troop/ aspect box that contains a full unit.
CaptKaruthors wrote: I'm pissed that Dire Avengers went from a 10 to a box..down to 5 per box. That means even with 2 boxes you only have 8 regular guys and 2 exarchs...dumb. Why screw with that boxed set at all? It was fine as is. It would be nice if the Eldar got a troop/ aspect box that contains a full unit.
Because Dire Avengers are 50 points a piece now and when bladestorming have Assault 12 S5 AP3 guns.
CaptKaruthors wrote: I'm pissed that Dire Avengers went from a 10 to a box..down to 5 per box. That means even with 2 boxes you only have 8 regular guys and 2 exarchs...dumb. Why screw with that boxed set at all? It was fine as is. It would be nice if the Eldar got a troop/ aspect box that contains a full unit.
No, it's 5 dire avengers with the option of making an Exarch.
CaptKaruthors wrote: I'm pissed that Dire Avengers went from a 10 to a box..down to 5 per box. That means even with 2 boxes you only have 8 regular guys and 2 exarchs...dumb. Why screw with that boxed set at all? It was fine as is. It would be nice if the Eldar got a troop/ aspect box that contains a full unit.
GW has realized that the WFB method of boxsets is ..far.. superior. Why make people 1 box per unit when you can buy 2 or 3 or 4?
CaptKaruthors wrote: I'm pissed that Dire Avengers went from a 10 to a box..down to 5 per box. That means even with 2 boxes you only have 8 regular guys and 2 exarchs...dumb. Why screw with that boxed set at all? It was fine as is. It would be nice if the Eldar got a troop/ aspect box that contains a full unit.
No, it's 5 dire avengers with the option of making an Exarch.
If only Harlies got that option. Finecast boxes of 5 with a sergeant should be FORBIDDEN.
Finecast should come in 5's ONLY IF there is a separate pack for the sergeant.
Goresaw wrote: Broadsides and pathfinders were simply re-released models.
To my knowledge, they're selling quite well.
The original Broadside was an awful kit to put together for people who knew what they were doing, let alone GW's current target demographic. It was also a hybrid kit which GW no longer wishes to produce. There were strong technical and business reasons for that kit to be re-done that are, apparently, lacking for the Aspects in GW's opinion.
The Pathfinders are really the odd ones out in the recent trend. There's a few new options included though, and the new drones to help push sales. However, even if that was a toe in the pool to see how well a re-release sells we wouldn't be seeing any changes from that for another few months with the way GW does their pipline I'd wager.
Whats this about the end times being upon us? Is some beef about to go down in the 40k universe?
I doubt it. From the Eldar perspective we've been in the end times since well before Guardians got turned into cannon fodder. Dying race and all.
I'm not sure if the trailers are getting better. I mean, this one was just stock art and lens flares. At least the Tau trailer showed us an actual model. I'd go so far as to say the Tau teaser set the standard of what a teaser for a miniature release should be, and pretty much everything else I've seen has been inferior. This one is better than the High Elf teaser at least, as it focuses on the models being released and not the enemies of the models being released, but by not showing any models I'm a little worried. Is that a sign GW has no confidence in their own releases? Or is it because they wanted to focus in on tight shots of glowing hand drawings? This would have been a perfect place to show us the Wraithknight or the rumored Spirit Seer. In fact, during that trailer, right after they say the word "rise", that would have been the perfect time for a close-up shot of the Spirit Seer's head, followed by a sillhouette shot of the Spirit Seer next to the Wraithknight. So was that not done for technical reasons, because no body thought of it, or because the models didn't look good enough, and that such a shot would have reflected badly on the release?
OT: You know what this release makes me want? Forgeworld to make a Wraithnight pilot mini.
I see the price of the Wraith knight and start counting on what I payed for ordinary wraithguard...
Not even close.
The flyers has got me exited. Sounds like they will add some clever special rules to the flying game instead of just bombs/missiles and the occacional bright lance.
Heres hoping for transport capacity and some kind of "swoop drop" manouver by that new pilot aspect (to make up for the lost DA transport).
Yeah, the Tau teaser was really the best yet as they showed bits of an actual model and what they should aspire to. Next two teasers have been meh in comparison.
Barzam wrote: That.... isn't what I was expecting the Wraithknight to look like. I'm not sure if I like it or not. It seems like once again the head is too small and the arms are kind of puny and short. And is it just me, or does this thing not quite have the same aesthetic as the previous Eldar mecha?
Just like the Riptide, the pilot is not in the head.
The pilot is in the chest. The White Dwarf description of the Wraithknight even says as much.
In regards to it "not having the same aesthetic as the previous Eldar mecha", a large part of that could be because the previous Eldar mecha(i.e. the Revenant and Phantom) both have the pilots in the heads rather than the main torso. In the case of the Wraithknight, the head seems to largely be either decorative or somehow tied to the "spiritstone of the dead twin" that is in the torso with the pilot.
So, looking at the new Wraithknight, it looks cool but I'm wondering...why? The Wraithlord was always supposed to be the big scary multiwound T8 monster, I'm wondering why something...wraithier...lordier...was necessary
Instead of, you know, just making changes to the wraithlord.
that and it's odd having a "knight" being bigger and scarier than a "lord". Also at 9 inches tall, that's huge, it's just a bit smaller than a Forgeworld Revenant Titan.
That's half an x-box for what amounts to an action figure... I can get a gigantic Tamiya ww2 bomber with 20X the detail and 20X the plastic for that amount... Just wow...
CaptKaruthors wrote: I'm pissed that Dire Avengers went from a 10 to a box..down to 5 per box. That means even with 2 boxes you only have 8 regular guys and 2 exarchs...dumb. Why screw with that boxed set at all? It was fine as is. It would be nice if the Eldar got a troop/ aspect box that contains a full unit.
Half the minis for double the price is the GW way.
LOL, whoever it was that was trolling earlier, claiming to want to buy several wraithknights just because some of us complained about it, and how he'd "power it with our tears"... I hope wherever he lives tears are worth a lot of cash.
TheDraconicLord wrote: Well, I was expecting a big wallet hit, but 70£? Ouch. Ok, that one makes me avoid the impulse buy and dread the near price increase.
This and the lowering of Dire Avengers to 5 models in a box makes me glad I already have over 4000pts of Eldar.
I reckon I can conceivably only buy the codex, power cards and a box or two of wraithguard and be happy. I may get the wraithknight and a flier or two, but those are definately in the maybe pile until more info is available.
Well, this really seems like weak release. Obsolete Eldar range got almost no replacement at all, only Wraithguard and Farseer (which didn't really need a new model). No Aspect warriors, no Phoenix Lords, Dire Avengers split in two, and mandatory cookie-cutter big monster and dual-kit flyer. Bleh. I mean, this is almost like a parody of a release. The flyer and new Wraithguard better look *really* good.
I would use a FIVE STAR STORY model kit for a Wraithknight. Like the Knight of Gold...that would look a lot better than what they are releasing and cheaper too!
£70? Holy cow... that just priced me out of getting one anytime soon.
Still haven't made my mind up about the Wraithknight... I kind of like it, but it's not amazing. In a way, I think that it's suffering form not being one thing or another. It's not just a scaled up W'lord, because of the pilot... but it's not quite so epic as a titan. I'd kind of liked to have seen a version of this that was bulkier, and it could have been an armoured assault walker, or something like that. We've seen slim and lithe Eldar before, but not beefed up and capable of taking hits...
Hard to say what's going to happen as there are still rumours flying around, but I'm already feeling let down and disappointed about this release. It could have been amazing if they had updated a lot of the current models, but this just seems rather lacklustre (as was the Tau release). I also don't understand how a huge, £70 walker is going to entice their target market into buying it, let alone starting a new army with old figures that while good, are showing their age, especially compared to the Dark Eldar. Did GW management not see how successful DEldar was? (or were they not all that successful?)
The Wraithknight intimidates me as a hobbyist - it's HUGE, will take an age to paint well, and I would imagine will be fairly horrible to transport (although I'm already seeing new GW carry-cases to accommodate big walkers and new flyers). I can't imagine too many teenagers being successful with it.. .or is that terribly cynical of me?
Red Viper wrote: It's weird that GW seems to be basing their whole strategy on "impulse buys" and then decides to release huge, expensive models.
I actually think this is a brilliant strategy if sales are shrinking across lines. It doesn't deal with the root problem which would be to get new gamers, but it does ensure sales to current customers. These releases cater to pre-existing armies. "I've got my core units, I just need the new units to keep my armies up to date." They are expensive, and may well offset the lack of entry into the hobby.
A 40k release every two months will be huge for revenue at the end of the fiscal, and I predict come June 30th that financially GW will be in the best position it's been at in years.
Does it grow the hobby? Nope. Does it buoy financials? Yep. GW isn't going anywhere for quite some time.
Now I think the question is that when they finish updating everyone to 6th, what will releases look like?
I bought three new Broadsides, a 3-pack of Crises, 2 packs of plastic pathfinders, Longstrike and a Riptide to update the force. THat's $420 USD just to "keep current" and the same about which I spent for my DA army update.
CaptKaruthors wrote: I'm pissed that Dire Avengers went from a 10 to a box..down to 5 per box. That means even with 2 boxes you only have 8 regular guys and 2 exarchs...dumb. Why screw with that boxed set at all? It was fine as is. It would be nice if the Eldar got a troop/ aspect box that contains a full unit.
Half the minis for double the price is the GW way.
Another awful GW release. Overpriced model that is way too big, no plastic aspect warriors, and $35 for 5 Dire Avengers is slowed. The only way they werent getting my money for this release was if they cocked up all three ways and theyve managed to do it.
So your telling me that a super heavy walker is cheaper than a normal 40k kit?
Wow GW logic right there...
Well technically the Wraithknight is a Knight class titan. It's the same height as a stompa and just about 2-3 inches shorter than a Warhound titan. Just because is has a much slimmer frame and that they are now including small titans in normal 40k lists, doesn't mean GW will charge less.
That said it is massive really taller than a stompa by the looks of it. It could be Apoc only. I'm going to guess not because GW wants your cash but in the past a kit this massive would have been to promote Apoc. So maybe this is an indication that Apoc becoming more mainstream. Or GW wanting Apoc to become more of a central part of 40k.
Also as a side note I don't like it. Really I don't.
Illic Nightspear A clampack that contains one highly detailed Citadel Finecast resin miniature sculpted by Edgar Ramos. Illic Nightspear is an outcast who has become an deadly assassin armed with the sniper rifle Voidbringer.
As an Alaitoc player, this is really the only thing I'm excited about.
CaptKaruthors wrote: I'm pissed that Dire Avengers went from a 10 to a box..down to 5 per box. That means even with 2 boxes you only have 8 regular guys and 2 exarchs...dumb. Why screw with that boxed set at all? It was fine as is. It would be nice if the Eldar got a troop/ aspect box that contains a full unit.
5 man will be the new full unit...
Half the minis for double the price is the GW way.
Except the Wraithguard just got a crap-ton cheaper.
Red Viper wrote:It's weird that GW seems to be basing their whole strategy on "impulse buys" and then decides to release huge, expensive models.
Maybe I'm insane, but I like to plan ahead for large purchases, of which the Wraithknight qualifies.
The Spiritseer, cards, and mini dex are decent impulse buys though.
As it stands, I will get the Codex, and maybe the Spiritseer. Then I will study that Codex and plan ahead for future purchases.
Harriticus wrote:Shame GW is ignoring a wide range of older models in favor of new giant fischer price toys.
If that were true, they wouldn't be on a steady volume and profit increase over the last 18 months. Budgeting is the responsible way to game, because you spend the same amount no matter what; trying to stock-pile for a hopeful big release is a good way to go really broke or be really disappointed (by any miniatures company).
As for the old minis: they aren't being "ignored." As in, GW didn't just forget they had those. Right now, it's about getting the books up-to-date, because customer complaint #1 for 15 years (outside of price - which is a problem with all miniatures games) was the slow, staggered codex releases leading to imbalanced rules, creep, etc. Give each army a little something new (which fans claimed was a good feature of PP's release style), and then bring the older minis up-to-date in future waves. Had GW just updated old models, I GUARANTEE you there would have been way more complaints about not getting anything new.
The biggest problem was actually internet forums and bad rumors. People were writing wish-lists of 30+ releases including 100% updates for models older than 6 years. Some even made up rules that won't be in the codex, and others just have no imagination to envision anything new beyond what they currently play. If you don't want the new models, put that chunk of your gaming budget aside for another day, and buy just the codex. Eventually, all the old stuff will be updated.
Consider that, at this release clip, all of the armies in 40k and Fantasy will have their hardbound book in less than 2 years. As GW plans on having 6th edition stick around for a while, what else are they going to release? Can't just do supplements every month, and can't come up with new splash releases 12 times a year either. Expect old models to get a refresh, like the Hive Tyrant did in the move to a hybrid plastic kit out of nowhere. You complain about GW's supposed short-term gains, and impulse buy strategy, yet have no ability yourselves to see things beyond the next two weeks.
that and it's odd having a "knight" being bigger and scarier than a "lord". Also at 9 inches tall, that's huge, it's just a bit smaller than a Forgeworld Revenant Titan.
I understand the Wraith Lord has been renamed the Wraith Squire in the new book.
If that were true, they wouldn't be on a steady volume and profit increase over the last 18 months. Budgeting is the responsible way to game, because you spend the same amount no matter what; trying to stock-pile for a hopeful big release is a good way to go really broke or be really disappointed (by any miniatures company).
As for the old minis: they aren't being "ignored." As in, GW didn't just forget they had those. Right now, it's about getting the books up-to-date, because customer complaint #1 for 15 years (outside of price - which is a problem with all miniatures games) was the slow, staggered codex releases leading to imbalanced rules, creep, etc. Give each army a little something new (which fans claimed was a good feature of PP's release style), and then bring the older minis up-to-date in future waves. Had GW just updated old models, I GUARANTEE you there would have been way more complaints about not getting anything new.
The biggest problem was actually internet forums and bad rumors. People were writing wish-lists of 30+ releases including 100% updates for models older than 6 years. Some even made up rules that won't be in the codex, and others just have no imagination to envision anything new beyond what they currently play. If you don't want the new models, put that chunk of your gaming budget aside for another day, and buy just the codex. Eventually, all the old stuff will be updated.
Consider that, at this release clip, all of the armies in 40k and Fantasy will have their hardbound book in less than 2 years. As GW plans on having 6th edition stick around for a while, what else are they going to release? Can't just do supplements every month, and can't come up with new splash releases 12 times a year either. Expect old models to get a refresh, like the Hive Tyrant did in the move to a hybrid plastic kit out of nowhere. You complain about GW's supposed short-term gains, and impulse buy strategy, yet have no ability yourselves to see things beyond the next two weeks.
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I realised this same scheme when I got the tau codex. All the cool things that were "rumoured" i dont think are dead I just believe they are coming in future supplements once the base core rulebooks are updated for all armies.
I think the same is true for all armies, their will be waves of new stuff. Eldar specifically we ALL KNOW there are NEW jetbikes out there, they are likely just waiting to do them in a wave release down the line.
I think eldar specifically they kept the new items to a minimum to entice people to buy the 150 dollar behemoth they are making. If they released that dude with tons of new items, they would have had serious problems moving product....
I'm pretty excited about this release, I'll be looking forward to see what my Eldar will be able to do with their new rules.
I really like the sound of the CC Wraithguard and I hope they're good ruleswise. I hope the flyers are pretty good as well, they look like nice models from a glance and it'd be good to be an army with some air superiority for once. Also love the cover art for the Codex
That's really where my positives end though. I'm not a big fan of the Wraithknight, and I hope (although I'm not confident on this) that it's not a must-have for a decent army list. I'm not convinced about it being so big though. I'm also pretty gutted (mostly on behalf of new Eldar players) that the DA have been reduced to 5 a box. Fortunately for me, I've got plenty of DA already, though I may buy another box of 10 before they get replaced. I should have all the DA I'll ever need ever then.
Am I getting this correctly or we are getting no jetbikes according to the list on the first post? And dire avengers in a pack of 5??? Good thing I have 30 of them!
Red Viper wrote: It's weird that GW seems to be basing their whole strategy on "impulse buys" and then decides to release huge, expensive models.
I actually think this is a brilliant strategy if sales are shrinking across lines. It doesn't deal with the root problem which would be to get new gamers, but it does ensure sales to current customers. These releases cater to pre-existing armies. "I've got my core units, I just need the new units to keep my armies up to date." They are expensive, and may well offset the lack of entry into the hobby.
A 40k release every two months will be huge for revenue at the end of the fiscal, and I predict come June 30th that financially GW will be in the best position it's been at in years.
Does it grow the hobby? Nope. Does it buoy financials? Yep. GW isn't going anywhere for quite some time.
Now I think the question is that when they finish updating everyone to 6th, what will releases look like?
I bought three new Broadsides, a 3-pack of Crises, 2 packs of plastic pathfinders, Longstrike and a Riptide to update the force. THat's $420 USD just to "keep current" and the same about which I spent for my DA army update.
I agree that this general approach is very smart for them now that they have so many "core" sets in plastic. It's the best way to reach both the newbies and the existing customers at the time of codex release. Heck, I dropped a couple hundred on Tyranids at the last update despite having a large army already. And they didn't even include Tervigons/Tyrannofexes in the initial release!
I figure that additional waves including mini refreshes will come later, alongside supplements, campaign books, etc. The rumor was that's what the studio wants to focus on after they get the bulk of the armies updated for 6th.
Do you know what will be really funny... Wraithknight being T:6, since it has a squishy eldar somewhere inside its chest while the wraithlord is solid wraithbone .
I think the only thing that so far ticks me off about this release is that it's basically 100 dollars worth of books because of the codex and then the supplement... which will probably be 60 pages of nothing important.
I'm sick of GW's willingness to be a raper
Automatically Appended Next Post: I think the only thing that so far ticks me off about this release is that it's basically 100 dollars worth of books because of the codex and then the supplement... which will probably be 60 pages of nothing important.
If it's not a MC i'd be slightly disappointed if i played Eldar. MCs are wayyyy more survivable this edition, imo.
The Iyanden supplemental book is interesting. I wonder if we'll see something similiar in other Codexs? (It'd be a way of handling Codex: Marines if you want to play Imperial Fists or White Scars or something.) Then again, that means they might get rid of Bike armies out of the codex!
gorgon wrote: I agree that this general approach is very smart for them now that they have so many "core" sets in plastic. It's the best way to reach both the newbies and the existing customers at the time of codex release. Heck, I dropped a couple hundred on Tyranids at the last update despite having a large army already. And they didn't even include Tervigons/Tyrannofexes in the initial release!
I figure that additional waves including mini refreshes will come later, alongside supplements, campaign books, etc. The rumor was that's what the studio wants to focus on after they get the bulk of the armies updated for 6th.
Except it's stretching the truth, at best, to say Eldar "core" is in plastic. The core is aspect warriors, of which 1 of 8 is plastic. Being a relatively new player, I would go nuts on new plastic infantry.
I like the Wraithknight. It made me realize how nice the mecha models I own are, at 1/3 the price, and that there are so many others out there I'd like to own instead of this cheap, badly-designed knock-off. If only it was price-cheap, but alas...
Quark wrote:Except it's stretching the truth, at best, to say Eldar "core" is in plastic. The core is aspect warriors, of which 1 of 8 is finecast. Being a relatively new player, I would go nuts on new plastic infantry.
Do you mean 1 of 8 is plastic?
pizzaguardian wrote:I sincerely hope i was trolled about that 70 pounds WK price. But i don't think so.
gorgon wrote: I agree that this general approach is very smart for them now that they have so many "core" sets in plastic. It's the best way to reach both the newbies and the existing customers at the time of codex release. Heck, I dropped a couple hundred on Tyranids at the last update despite having a large army already. And they didn't even include Tervigons/Tyrannofexes in the initial release!
I figure that additional waves including mini refreshes will come later, alongside supplements, campaign books, etc. The rumor was that's what the studio wants to focus on after they get the bulk of the armies updated for 6th.
Except it's stretching the truth, at best, to say Eldar "core" is in plastic. The core is aspect warriors, of which 1 of 8 is finecast. Being a relatively new player, I would go nuts on new plastic infantry.
Except their "core" Aspects are plastic. And we all know that Guardians should be the core of any Eldar army...
gorgon wrote: I agree that this general approach is very smart for them now that they have so many "core" sets in plastic. It's the best way to reach both the newbies and the existing customers at the time of codex release. Heck, I dropped a couple hundred on Tyranids at the last update despite having a large army already. And they didn't even include Tervigons/Tyrannofexes in the initial release!
I figure that additional waves including mini refreshes will come later, alongside supplements, campaign books, etc. The rumor was that's what the studio wants to focus on after they get the bulk of the armies updated for 6th.
Except it's stretching the truth, at best, to say Eldar "core" is in plastic. The core is aspect warriors, of which 1 of 8 is finecast. Being a relatively new player, I would go nuts on new plastic infantry.
Except their "core" Aspects are plastic. And we all know that Guardians should be the core of any Eldar army...
-DE- wrote: I like the Wraithknight. It made me realize how nice the mecha models I own are, at 1/3 the price, and that there are so many others out there I'd like to own instead of this cheap, badly-designed knock-off. If only it was price-cheap, but alas...
Kirasu wrote: I'm really curious if this 115$ wraithknight rumor is accurate.
A Farseer has used the limits of his powers to see all the way to roughly four days from now and divine this information.
If so.. sheesh that's pretty absurd.
It is a bit absurd. I really thought if they pushed past the $85 price point they already used for a couple models that they'd not go past $95 or $99 yet, but I guess the sell-out of the Riptide at $85 has inflated the hubris of GW execs beyond that of some of the supernatural beings in their Warhammer 40,000 lore. Essentially, we've had what amount to monthly price increases on new product from GW over the past year as each new release pushes higher price points. One has to wonder at what point the whole thing will collapse on itself when customers simply will not or cannot accept any more of these rapid price increases.
This and the lowering of Dire Avengers to 5 models in a box makes me glad I already have over 4000pts of Eldar.
Yup. I'm pushing 10k of Eldar, but I hate that they mess with something that doesn't need messing with instead of focusing on giving us another box of plastic something. Why ruin a perfectly good boxed set? 10 guys...a full unit. It's the *only* full unit Eldar get...yet marine tacticals are still a full 10. Dumb.
This and the lowering of Dire Avengers to 5 models in a box makes me glad I already have over 4000pts of Eldar.
Yup. I'm pushing 10k of Eldar, but I hate that they mess with something that doesn't need messing with instead of focusing on giving us another box of plastic something. Why ruin a perfectly good boxed set? 10 guys...a full unit. It's the *only* full unit Eldar get...yet marine tacticals are still a full 10. Dumb.
Guardians are the 10-man minimum squad. Dire Avengers can be taken in a 50man squad. Space Marines can Combat Squad into 5-man teams, but they're still taken in multiples of 10.
Plus, back in 5thEd when Troops could score in transports, the Wave Serpent with the DA "upgrade" was rather common.
Kirasu wrote: I'm really curious if this 115$ wraithknight rumor is accurate.
A Farseer has used the limits of his powers to see all the way to roughly four days from now and divine this information.
If so.. sheesh that's pretty absurd.
It is a bit absurd. I really thought if they pushed past the $85 price point they already used for a couple models that they'd not go past $95 or $99 yet, but I guess the sell-out of the Riptide at $85 has inflated the hubris of GW execs beyond that of some of the supernatural beings in their Warhammer 40,000 lore. Essentially, we've had what amount to monthly price increases on new product from GW over the past year as each new release pushes higher price points. One has to wonder at what point the whole thing will collapse on itself when customers simply will not or cannot accept any more of these rapid price increases.
Well based on this post at bartertown from a retailer, looks like the Wraithknight is definitly $100+
@pizzaguardian: Do you have any information on a jetbike release? Either new or repackage?
Several retailers talk about a WINDRIDER JETBIKE SQUADRON in addition to your list.
This and the lowering of Dire Avengers to 5 models in a box makes me glad I already have over 4000pts of Eldar.
Yup. I'm pushing 10k of Eldar, but I hate that they mess with something that doesn't need messing with instead of focusing on giving us another box of plastic something. Why ruin a perfectly good boxed set? 10 guys...a full unit. It's the *only* full unit Eldar get...yet marine tacticals are still a full 10. Dumb.
Where are people getting this from? Dire Avengers come in a 10-model box and will surely continue to come in a 10-model box.
It's the Eldar Battleforce that will only have 5 Avengers in it, which is silly, but the CURRENT Eldar Battleforce also only has 5 Avenger models in it. In other words, it's not desirable to have only 5 models in the Battleforce, but it's the way it's been for years and apparently that's not changing. This should have no effect on the current troop box of 10 Dire Avengers, it certainly hasn't up till now.
Contents of current Eldar Battleforce shown below. Some contents are changing, but apparently not the 5 Dire Avengers.
Kroothawk wrote: @pizzaguardian: Do you have any information on a jetbike release? Either new or repackage?
A retailer is supposed to get a WINDRIDER JETBIKE SQUADRON in addition to your list.
There was a random quote from a few pages back that said that these were simply the old version repackaged
Kroothawk wrote: @pizzaguardian: Do you have any information on a jetbike release? Either new or repackage?
A retailer is supposed to get a WINDRIDER JETBIKE SQUADRON in addition to your list.
Nope. But maybe the windrider squad is rare so the place i got my info wont have them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Or maybe he just copied the wrong list to me. I don't know.
If the walker is a big as they say then the price sounds about right. As has been the trend nothing new seems mandatory sans helldrake. Even then trip drakes doesnt get first fromvwhat i have seen.
Will be interesting to see the rules and the wraithguard kit.
Did anyone consider that the supplement release might mean Black Templars coming out with the next Space Marine dex? And possibly even crazier things like White Scars, Salamanders or even Mantis Warriors?
Its a name that really does not carry over well to what they do sadly. Fire Dragons, perfect for something that uses flamers and melta. Crimson Hunter...for something that flys around shooting stuff from a jet, not so much. If you had told me to imagine Crimson hunter as an aspect I would have thought of some violent/bloody melee unit, maybe with stealth. I guess that's already covered by scorpions, but still. Not what I imagine for crimson hunters.
Leth wrote: If the walker is a big as they say then the price sounds about right. As has been the trend nothing new seems mandatory sans helldrake. Even then trip drakes doesnt get first fromvwhat i have seen.
Will be interesting to see the rules and the wraithguard kit.
Big as they say? 9 inches? I don't care how tall it is. I want to know how many sprues it's on.
As I've said before: Ork Stompa is 16 full sprues of plastic for $116.
If this new Eldar fanwank model is on 16 sprues than I'd say "alright, I can see that price tag"
but if its in the 3 sprue range than I'll just make fun of the kids who wasted money that could have been better spent on a year subscription to XBox live and a large pizza.
Its a name that really does not carry over well to what they do sadly. Fire Dragons, perfect for something that uses flamers and melta. Crimson Hunter...for something that flys around shooting stuff from a jet, not so much. If you had told me to imagine Crimson hunter as an aspect I would have thought of some violent/bloody melee unit, maybe with stealth. I guess that's already covered by scorpions, but still. Not what I imagine for crimson hunters.
It actually sounds like more of a Eldar Corsair group, but I agree, it's a little unorthodox. It's still a nice creative change from the typical Verbing Nouns all over the place.
"Crimson" may just be a reference to their Aspect color whereas "Hunter" could be the fact that they all fly interceptor fighters and their objective is to destroy other aircraft. Then again, all aspects tend to have a weapon that is iconic to them. Maybe these Crimson Hunters will have some Crimson Brightlance that fires red pewpew or something. Either way, there is hope for creative juices to still flow out of GW.
Its a name that really does not carry over well to what they do sadly. Fire Dragons, perfect for something that uses flamers and melta. Crimson Hunter...for something that flys around shooting stuff from a jet, not so much. If you had told me to imagine Crimson hunter as an aspect I would have thought of some violent/bloody melee unit, maybe with stealth. I guess that's already covered by scorpions, but still. Not what I imagine for crimson hunters.
It actually sounds like more of a Eldar Corsair group, but I agree, it's a little unorthodox. It's still a nice creative change from the typical Verbing Nouns all over the place.
Maybe they have some holofields that makes them invisible until striking(fluffwise), i can imagine an eldar fighter hiding in clouds until it's right moment to strike.
ceorron wrote: If only it looked like this with it's clean crisp lines.
The one time I'd be happy with them plagerising FW, GW simply muck it up instead.
I just keep hoping that if I close my eyes hard enough the next time I open them it will look like a mini phantom.
Maybe it will look better in person but i'm not hopeful.
I don't think the glossy pages photos or the somewhat flat studio paintjob is helping it. It actually looks nicely sculpted, and I reckon we need to actually have the model in our hands before we can judge it. Look at the Heldrake; everybody was bitching about "ZOMG DINOBOTS!" but now the hype has calmed down and some people have given it really good paintjobs the general opinion of it has softened.
Its a name that really does not carry over well to what they do sadly. Fire Dragons, perfect for something that uses flamers and melta. Crimson Hunter...for something that flys around shooting stuff from a jet, not so much. If you had told me to imagine Crimson hunter as an aspect I would have thought of some violent/bloody melee unit, maybe with stealth. I guess that's already covered by scorpions, but still. Not what I imagine for crimson hunters.
It actually sounds like more of a Eldar Corsair group, but I agree, it's a little unorthodox. It's still a nice creative change from the typical Verbing Nouns all over the place.
Maybe they have some holofields that makes them invisible until striking(fluffwise), i can imagine an eldar fighter hiding in clouds until it's right moment to strike.
Oh god I really hope holofields are good again. Its been sucky having worthless vehicle upgrades since 6th.
-DE- wrote:The wraitknight will sell for 120 USD. That's an unfortunate fact.
And your evidence for this is....?
Its 115$ numerous sellers already quoting this.
You're right, I was slightly off with my conversion rate. It's $115 for our dear American friends. Enjoy, you just saved 5 bucks off your $120 purchase!
Guardians are the 10-man minimum squad. Dire Avengers can be taken in a 50man squad. Space Marines can Combat Squad into 5-man teams, but they're still taken in multiples of 10.
Derp? Dire Avengers squad can't be any bigger than 10 and Guardians max out at 20. My point is that the current boxed set of Guardians gets you a full troops choice. Repackaging it into 5 for about the same price is stupid.
Plus, back in 5thEd when Troops could score in transports, the Wave Serpent with the DA "upgrade" was rather common.
How is this even relevant to the boxed set size?
Where are people getting this from? Dire Avengers come in a 10-model box and will surely continue to come in a 10-model box.
Check the first page of the thread. The DA boxed set is repackaged from 10 to 5. Which is stupid.
-DE- wrote:The wraitknight will sell for 120 USD. That's an unfortunate fact.
And your evidence for this is....?
Its 115$ numerous sellers already quoting this.
You're right, I was slightly off with my conversion rate. It's $115 for our dear American friends. Enjoy, you just saved 5 bucks off your $120 purchase!
How does one save $5 on something that never cost $120?
Mohoc wrote: Here is the list that saw today (all prices USD)
Here are the Eldar releasing on June 1st
Eldar Codex - $49.50
Eldar LE Codex - $100
WH40K PSYCHIC POWERS: ELDAR ENG - $7.50
Farseer - $20
Wraithknight - $115
Wraithguard - $50
Hemlock Wraithfighter - $65
Dire Avengers (5 pack) - $35
Battleforce - $115
Windrider Jetbike Squadron - $40
Spiritseer - $19.25
Illic Nightspear - $19.25
IYANDEN: A CODEX ELDAR SUPPLEMENT - $49.50
IYANDEN CODEX SUPPLEMENT SPECIAL EDITION - $85
Somewhat disheartening on the prices. I really hope that those Jetbikes are new and not a repackage. I believe the rumourmongers saying they are, but this kind of turns things around. Damn, the Supplement better be another codex at that price.
It's stupid that I have to shell out another $50 for a supplement to play my craftworld. It better be worth it. Otherwise, it'll be like getting HUGGED BY a cactus...
Again...5 dire avengers for $35 is criminal when we have 10 for that price now and it makes a complete troops choice. Seriously GW...you are even pissing off guys like me with plenty of disposable income.
CaptKaruthors wrote: It's stupid that I have to shell out another $50 for a supplement to play my craftworld. It better be worth it. Otherwise, it'll be like getting boned in the azz with a cactus...
The description just seems like an added backstory to me rather than a seperate army list, but if it is, GW will force you to buy both, the eldar codex for the general rules and the supplement for the special rules.
I like how the battle force is the same price as the wraithknight...LOLz. Stupid F**ks. Nothing like cannibalizing a sale...Gee..which looks like it has more value?
Cruentus wrote: I might have missed it, but are the wraithguard a 5-model box, or less? Because at $50 for 5, that's much cheaper than the current models.
The rest of the prices hurt my eyes. The only new models I was hoping for was Warp Spiders. Oh well.
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Wraithguard/Wraithblades
This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes either 5 Wraithguards previously only available in metal or 5 Wraithblades, a new type of deadly close combat warrior.
Did Dire Avengers really just go from 10 for $37.50 to 5 for $35?!?
Yup. Which is why I'm pissed! So now, even buying 2 boxes only gives you 8 regular guys and two exarchs...which is fething stupid! God forbid we get a full squad of troops out of the box...
Absolutionis wrote: I'm actually rather surprised they made up a completelynew Aspect for the fighters rather than using the already-established Star Eagles.
I guess Star Eagles fly spacecraft whereas Crimson Hunters fly aircraft?
I have a suspicion that "Star Eagles" was not sufficiently established as a Games Workshop trademark, so they are creating something new that only they can lay claim to.
Wow, they really are nearly doubling the price of Dire Avengers. I really didn't think they'd go there, even after all the nastiness of the past two years' worth of price increases. It's stupefying.
Did Dire Avengers really just go from 10 for $37.50 to 5 for $35?!?
Yup. Which is why I'm pissed! So now, even buying 2 boxes only gives you 8 regular guys and two exarchs...which is fething stupid! God forbid we get a full squad of troops out of the box...
I cannot wait for the new IG codex..... it will probably come with $50 Troop boxes containing 4 models.
I might have missed it, but are the wraithguard a 5-model box, or less? Because at $50 for 5, that's much cheaper than the current models.
Yeah, currently 5 failcast Wraithguard are $60 I think. So we get a price break.
Thanks for that, but for some reason I was thinking they were $20 a pop in metal (must be confused with Ork Meganobz).
Hmm. I have lots of disposable income too, and they're making it hard for me to even buy into a combat patrol force - Dire Avengers are just... I don't know what to say. I guess "Buy em now!"
Did Dire Avengers really just go from 10 for $37.50 to 5 for $35?!?
Yup. Which is why I'm pissed! So now, even buying 2 boxes only gives you 8 regular guys and two exarchs...which is fething stupid! God forbid we get a full squad of troops out of the box...
This is incorrect.
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Dire Avengers The Dire Avengers squad has been repackaged as a five miniature boxed set (including the option of making an Exarch)
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs. You can also just leave them as normal. As I said earlier in the thread, your tears are a bit premature. For all we know, DA have Assault 20 AP3 guns and are 50 points a piece now. Or more realistically, they made them a more elite troops choice and they are max 5 or something silly like that. Let's just wait and see before crying foul.
edit: Not to mention we haven't seen the actual WD or pre-release yet...
Wait, the Iyanden supplement is the same price as the codex? For that price, it should be it's own codex just like space marines have Ba, SW etc.
If GW are planning to do with Eldar what we have with SM - extra books for additional chapters, then I'd damn well appreciate them letting us know that this is 'vanilla' Eldar coming out, if you could shoehorn such a thing into the lore.
These rumours are asking more questions than they are answering.
Did Dire Avengers really just go from 10 for $37.50 to 5 for $35?!?
Yup. Which is why I'm pissed! So now, even buying 2 boxes only gives you 8 regular guys and two exarchs...which is fething stupid! God forbid we get a full squad of troops out of the box...
This is incorrect.
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Dire Avengers
The Dire Avengers squad has been repackaged as a five miniature boxed set (including the option of making an Exarch)
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs. You can also just leave them as normal. As I said earlier in the thread, your tears are a bit premature. For all we know, DA have Assault 20 AP3 guns and are 50 points a piece now. Or more realistically, they made them a more elite troops choice and they are max 5 or something silly like that. Let's just wait and see before crying foul.
Doesn't particularly matter game wise, 5 less models for a similar price is just price gouging really
Did Dire Avengers really just go from 10 for $37.50 to 5 for $35?!?
Yup. Which is why I'm pissed! So now, even buying 2 boxes only gives you 8 regular guys and two exarchs...which is fething stupid! God forbid we get a full squad of troops out of the box...
This is incorrect.
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Dire Avengers
The Dire Avengers squad has been repackaged as a five miniature boxed set (including the option of making an Exarch)
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs. You can also just leave them as normal. As I said earlier in the thread, your tears are a bit premature. For all we know, DA have Assault 20 AP3 guns and are 50 points a piece now. Or more realistically, they made them a more elite troops choice and they are max 5 or something silly like that. Let's just wait and see before crying foul.
Regardless of how the codex pans out, crying foul is totally justified going from 10 for $37.50 to 5 for $35. For existing kits. Already in plastic. With zero development cost associated with them (now).
Did Dire Avengers really just go from 10 for $37.50 to 5 for $35?!?
Yup. Which is why I'm pissed! So now, even buying 2 boxes only gives you 8 regular guys and two exarchs...which is fething stupid! God forbid we get a full squad of troops out of the box...
This is incorrect.
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Dire Avengers
The Dire Avengers squad has been repackaged as a five miniature boxed set (including the option of making an Exarch)
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs. You can also just leave them as normal. As I said earlier in the thread, your tears are a bit premature. For all we know, DA have Assault 20 AP3 guns and are 50 points a piece now. Or more realistically, they made them a more elite troops choice and they are max 5 or something silly like that. Let's just wait and see before crying foul.
Doesn't particularly matter game wise, 5 less models for a similar price is just price gouging really
I didn't argue that. I was arguing whether you get a full squad from a box, which you can see is what CaptKaruthors was complaining about. I also brought up the point that you could get 5 DA not 4 DA and an Exarch from a box. It's all right there in what you quoted.
Did Dire Avengers really just go from 10 for $37.50 to 5 for $35?!?
Yup. Which is why I'm pissed! So now, even buying 2 boxes only gives you 8 regular guys and two exarchs...which is fething stupid! God forbid we get a full squad of troops out of the box...
This is incorrect.
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Dire Avengers
The Dire Avengers squad has been repackaged as a five miniature boxed set (including the option of making an Exarch)
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs. You can also just leave them as normal. As I said earlier in the thread, your tears are a bit premature. For all we know, DA have Assault 20 AP3 guns and are 50 points a piece now. Or more realistically, they made them a more elite troops choice and they are max 5 or something silly like that. Let's just wait and see before crying foul.
Doesn't particularly matter game wise, 5 less models for a similar price is just price gouging really
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs. You can also just leave them as normal. As I said earlier in the thread, your tears are a bit premature. For all we know, DA have Assault 20 AP3 guns and are 50 points a piece now. Or more realistically, they made them a more elite troops choice and they are max 5 or something silly like that. Let's just wait and see before crying foul.
How good a model is isn't represented by their monetary cost.
Those prices are a bit of a shame. While it's not been in the realm of impulse purchases, to just buy some of the new stuff would run me $300 or more. $100 just for rulebooks seems, excessive.
The Wraithguard appear reasonably priced, but the rest is a bit of a letdown, especially the 2 codexes and Wraithknight.
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs. You can also just leave them as normal. As I said earlier in the thread, your tears are a bit premature. For all we know, DA have Assault 20 AP3 guns and are 50 points a piece now. Or more realistically, they made them a more elite troops choice and they are max 5 or something silly like that. Let's just wait and see before crying foul.
How good a model is isn't represented by their monetary cost.
It's represented by POINTS COSTS.
Hence we have a points costs system.
Again, since you seemed to have missed it as well.
The post I was responding to was CaptKaruthors saying that it was dumb that you couldn't make a whole squad out of a box or that you had to get 2 exarchs for 10 guys. Thanks for the CAPITAL LETTERS though.
CaptKaruthors wrote: It's stupid that I have to shell out another $50 for a supplement to play my craftworld. It better be worth it. Otherwise, it'll be like getting hugged by a cactus...
I understand the sentiment, but no you don't. Simply use the normal Eldar Codex and paint your Eldar in your chosen colours. Not every single army they ever field would follow the special rules that may be in the supplement.
Sarigar wrote: Those prices are a bit of a shame. While it's not been in the realm of impulse purchases, to just buy some of the new stuff would run me $300 or more. $100 just for rulebooks seems, excessive.
The Wraithguard appear reasonably priced, but the rest is a bit of a letdown, especially the 2 codexes and Wraithknight.
I agree. I kinda expected the codex prices, but that wraithknight price is ridiculous, and I'm not at all too happy about the dire avengers getting split boxed. May run to the store tonight and grab the one more squad I need now...
Again, since you seemed to have missed it as well.
The post I was responding to was CaptKaruthors saying that it was dumb that you couldn't make a whole squad out of a box or that you had to get 2 exarchs for 10 guys. Thanks for the CAPITAL LETTERS though.
Hehe. Nah I was typing it out while you posted it :<
Was considering editing it, but as it was still a valid point (albeit not related to your quote), I left it up.
I posted earlier that these prices feel like GW pushing their luck...if the Dire Avenger boxes of 5 sell well, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see other armies getting the same treatment.
I'm just glad I've already got plenty of Boyz; imagine if they got the same treatment...
Speaking of price gouging. Did I read that correctly that you'd have to buy the Iyanden supplement separately? I'm sure it's going to be in hardback or iPad only and cost $50.
Fezman wrote: I posted earlier that these prices feel like GW pushing their luck...if the Dire Avenger boxes of 5 sell well, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see other armies getting the same treatment.
I'm just glad I've already got plenty of Boyz; imagine if they got the same treatment...
Or termagants.
Second thought, maybe I better get more of those soon too.
£70 for the Wraithknight makes me weep. I'm still fairly excited for this release, however If the rumour regarding Dire Avengers being reboxed to 5 for the same price, and the old jetbikes being repackaged into a box of three turns out to be true though, I'm probably going to skip buying anything at all.
Half the plastic for the same price is an absolute dick move, no matter how you spin it. GW are basically saying feth you to their own customers if this is true, they won't be getting a penny off me if this is true.
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Dire Avengers
The Dire Avengers squad has been repackaged as a five miniature boxed set (including the option of making an Exarch)
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs.
For this to happen they'd have to recut/ redesign the sprues. As it is now, the exarch parts are part of the sprue. So yes, if recut it may be that way. If not...it's like I said. 2 boxes will get you 8 regulars and two exarchs basically two 5 man squads or a 9 man squad.
Regardless of how the codex pans out, crying foul is totally justified going from 10 for $37.50 to 5 for $35. For existing kits. Already in plastic. With zero development cost associated with them (now).
Having waited for this release for so long and with such anticipation I was going to express my disappointment but others have already done so more than adequately.
From the price list it looks as if the flyer will be around the same price point as the DA Nephilim; if so, sod that for a game of Intergalactic Stormtroopers, it's off to eBay for some second hand RazorWings and a bit of conversion work.
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Dire Avengers
The Dire Avengers squad has been repackaged as a five miniature boxed set (including the option of making an Exarch)
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs.
For this to happen they'd have to recut/ redesign the sprues. As it is now, the exarch parts are part of the sprue. So yes, if recut it may be that way. If not...it's like I said. 2 boxes will get you 8 regulars and two exarchs basically two 5 man squads or a 9 man squad.
I didn't make that up, that's the rumor you're complaining about. You can't have it both ways. Either it is the 5 man box that is described here with the option to make an exarch, or the rumor is wrong and the 5 man box is bunk. Although technically, I suppose the rumor could be wrong and right and it is a 5 man box but the description is completely wrong.
Either way, we'll know more in a couple of days. Then the real gnashing of teeth can begin.
H.B.M.C. wrote: For twice the price as the old 10 man squad.
Oh trust me, I'm not defending the price point. That's crazy. I'm just saying he's a bit early to complain about unit size when we haven't seen the entry yet.
Do keep in mind that Games Workshop probably wouldn't be above misrepresenting (either intentionally or unintentionally) what's in a box. We may not actually know what is in the DA box until someone has one and can open it up.
H.B.M.C. wrote: For twice the price as the old 10 man squad.
Unless I'm remembering wrong, the current box had enough to make 10 regular guys with options to make two as Squad leaders. So halving them requires no recuts.
Magc8Ball wrote: Do keep in mind that Games Workshop probably wouldn't be above misrepresenting (either intentionally or unintentionally) what's in a box. We may not actually know what is in the DA box until someone has one and can open it up.
Oh come on. I know we like to say GW is the devil but do we have any actual instance where GW has said 'There's 5 dudes in here.' and the sprues only made 4?
Oh trust me, I'm not defending the price point. That's crazy. I'm just saying he's a bit early to complain about unit size when we haven't seen the entry yet.
For the unit size to drop to 5...these DA better cure cancer. Otherwise, like others have said...it's a dick move and unnecessary. Getting a full troop unit as a boxed set is too much to ask I guess. :shrug:
Magc8Ball wrote: Do keep in mind that Games Workshop probably wouldn't be above misrepresenting (either intentionally or unintentionally) what's in a box. We may not actually know what is in the DA box until someone has one and can open it up.
Oh come on. I know we like to say GW is the devil but do we have any actual instance where GW has said 'There's 5 dudes in here.' and the sprues only made 4?
We don't.
But we have several cases of
"Oh you already have that box? well here is a second unusable sergeant"
Magc8Ball wrote: Do keep in mind that Games Workshop probably wouldn't be above misrepresenting (either intentionally or unintentionally) what's in a box. We may not actually know what is in the DA box until someone has one and can open it up.
Oh come on. I know we like to say GW is the devil but do we have any actual instance where GW has said 'There's 5 dudes in here.' and the sprues only made 4?
Not what I mean. There'll be 5 minis in the box, but if there's an incompetent (or simply rushed) copyeditor working on the sales sheet for the release they might not know the difference between "5 guys, one of which is the sgt" and "5 guys, one of which can be made a sgt".
Magc8Ball wrote: Not what I mean. There'll be 5 minis in the box, but if there's an incompetent (or simply rushed) copyeditor working on the sales sheet for the release they might not know the difference between "5 guys, one of which is the sgt" and "5 guys, one of which can be made a sgt".
You can use the 'typo' excuse for anything. Look, here I go:
What if there was an incompetent (or simply rushed) copy editor and the Wraithknight is really $11.50 and not $115 or it comes in a 3 pack for $115.
I actually want to be in line with the typo speculation.
Wraithknight being the cost of a Baneblade makes sense. GW just hates you.
But halving the Dire Avengers box outright puts a basic troops choice at a really high price per model. It's higher than even the various colors of Space Marines.
Maybe they're shoving in a Dire Avengers support weapon or something else in there. It can't be an outright doubling of the price of the basic troops choice. It makes so little sense that only GW could/would do it.
Absolutionis wrote:I actually want to be in line with the typo speculation.
Wraithknight being the cost of a Baneblade makes sense. GW just hates you.
But halving the Dire Avengers box outright puts a basic troops choice at a really high price per model. It's higher than even the various colors of Space Marines.
Maybe they're shoving in a Dire Avengers support weapon or something else in there. It can't be an outright doubling of the price of the basic troops choice. It makes so little sense that only GW could/would do it.
If it's £23 for 5, that makes them more expensive than Wracks (£20.50 for 5), which I already thought was extortinate (and so don't actually own any official Wrack models)
Do we know that the supplement has anything to do with different models/FOC? It could be a campaign setting or a new mission book that focus' on just one craftworld. It very well may have nothing to do with playing any given list in a normal game.
I used to have a "be faithful to the brand" thing, and I saved up and payed the price and shopped in the GW store.
No more. Pure online sellers for a 20-30% discount.
screw you, GW.
You realize this does not hurt GW in the slightest, right? You are still giving them money and they still make plenty of profit. If you really want to take a stand? Stop buying all together. Then get a few thousand to do the same and you might make a tiny dent in the quarterly report.
Well, they brought Dire Avengers cost in line with the other aspect warriors.
I might be tempted to buy a box or two of Dire Avengers now, but who knows what the rules are going to look like.
I'm just going to paint Guardians blue with white helmets. I'll fight anyone that has a problem with it.
GW is really pushing it.
Charging $50 for a minidex is amazing also. If it has an alternate army list, I'm sure it will reference the main codex. So if you wanted to play a fluffy Iyanden list, it'll be about $100 just for the rules. Crazy.
You can use the 'typo' excuse for anything. Look, here I go:
What if there was an incompetent (or simply rushed) copy editor and the Wraithknight is really $11.50 and not $115 or it comes in a 3 pack for $115.
Sure, it is possible. Unlikely, however.
WD does however sometimes have wrong prices: for example with Tau release, new Crisis suit box was listed as 60€ ($75) when actual price was 50€ ($65). So there is actually a precedent for outrageous price being a typo (usually it's not, however )
-DE- wrote:The wraitknight will sell for 120 USD. That's an unfortunate fact.
And your evidence for this is....?
Its 115$ numerous sellers already quoting this.
Balls. Sellers like who though?
Chad Warden wrote:Not the first time they did this. Remember basic Orcs (WFB)?
Went from 19 guys to 10 guys for the same price (or 50p cheaper or something)
Yeah, this made me rage. ...Just realised there's no "fistshake" Orkmoticon. There should be.
Gwyidion wrote:This does it for me.
I used to have a "be faithful to the brand" thing, and I saved up and payed the price and shopped in the GW store.
No more. Pure online sellers for a 20-30% discount.
screw you, GW.
Yeah, this sums it up for me. I've recently moved onto eBay and GiftsforGeeks as my main purchases. Considering that I own a unit of every aspect warrior, I'm hoping I'm not going to have to pay much for this Eldar release. After that, all my armies are done, so I can save money until Orks/Nids/DE get redone...
You can use the 'typo' excuse for anything. Look, here I go:
What if there was an incompetent (or simply rushed) copy editor and the Wraithknight is really $11.50 and not $115 or it comes in a 3 pack for $115.
Sure, it is possible. Unlikely, however.
WD does however sometimes have wrong prices: for example with Tau release, new Crisis suit box was listed as 60€ ($75) when actual price was 50€ ($65). So there is actually a precedent for outrageous price being a typo (usually it's not, however )
Unfortunately that price for those models is still horrifyingly high
I sincerely hope that supplement is the same amount of pages and hardcover like the codex, seeing as they are the same price. I forsee a lot of "iyanden supplement torrent" searches being made.
You do wonder about who buys limited editions at that kind of difference in cost too.
I'm sorry, I could have sworn you just said "no more giant robots".
Good thing you didn't because otherwise I would have to kill you.
Are you serious? The GK have one, the Tau just got one, and now the Eldar are getting one too? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one here who doesn't want this becoming a continuing trend.
pretre wrote: Oh trust me, I'm not defending the price point. That's crazy. I'm just saying he's a bit early to complain about unit size when we haven't seen the entry yet.
Who cares? It's twice the price for half the models. That's the only important part. Who gives a damn if DA's now come in squads of 5 rather than 10.
Kroothawk wrote: BTW: Fun fact: Wraithfighter is a bomber, not a fighter. But GW only realised that after the 5 creative seconds for naming this unit.
BTW: Fun fact: The F-117A Nighthawk Stealth Fighter was a bomber, not a fighter. The USAF didn't bother correcting people, and the plane is now retired.
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