I for one absolutely LOVE the model. His rules are fantastic as well since at 43 points he is DIRT cheap for his statline and with 2 combi's he's goign to put out a lot more hurt then people expect. If he gets in CC, well, it was nice knowing ya with a CC 27 EXPCCW.
His Master's Voice wrote: Holy mother of God, I do hope the head is easy to reposition on this guy. It's just painful to watch the angle of his neck.
Remember that he is a recreation, not human, so crazy flexibility is prob not out of the normal when he really wants to hammer the piss outta something.
Slight criticism - the hammer head might be a little too big, but then it could be that CB are deliberately going for a 'larger than life' look for the style of these miniatures. The greek themed characters are perhaps the only true heroes in the Infinity Universe - absolutely no-one would be capable of lifting that hammer except for Ajax, let alone using it as a weapon!
His Master's Voice wrote: Holy mother of God, I do hope the head is easy to reposition on this guy. It's just painful to watch the angle of his neck.
HMV, would you mind if a bet-around was started for when you are going to say something complementary - anything - about a miniature?
Even if the bag is part of the mini and not separate ( which I would imagine it is) it should be easy to carve off and replace with a dual holster for the combi rifles, a much better look than a laptop bag IMHO.
.... though you could then add it to a Myrmidon to represent a hacker...
Pacific wrote: SHMV, would you mind if a bet-around was started for when you are going to say something complementary - anything - about a miniature?
Go ahead, though I do believe I did say something positive about one mini or another in those 100+ pages.
I don't mind being the resident blue guy in a dust bin, but I hate to see an otherwise perfectly executed miniature spoiled by relatively minor design flaws. It's all CB's fault really, they spoiled me...
Pacific wrote: SHMV, would you mind if a bet-around was started for when you are going to say something complementary - anything - about a miniature?
Go ahead, though I do believe I did say something positive about one mini or another in those 100+ pages.
I don't mind being the resident blue guy in a dust bin, but I hate to see an otherwise perfectly executed miniature spoiled by relatively minor design flaws. It's all CB's fault really, they spoiled me...
Chin up friend - it's not all that bad!
If you filter this thread by His Master's Voice, you'll see quite a few miniatures that he does in fact like!
The CF wrote: Can't be much longer now, right? When do they usually reveal the minis of the month?
Lately between 20th-25th of the month, and never during weekends. Their prefered days seem to be Tuesdays and Thursdays.
Also, November is traditionally known in Infinity as the Christmas month, giving the fact they release the news that will be ready on time for everyone to have them under their Christmas tree. That means it is the strongest month of the year and as such we're expecting at a release at least as strong as last month's one. (it must be noted this year's October releases were at the level of last years November updates)
Definitely News, but not a rumor as it is 100% for certain:
The Battle Foam Gaming Saloon is having a Black Weekend Sale 11/23-11/25, next Friday through Sunday. This INCLUDES Infinity models and books, and all Micro Arts Studios terrain/templates/markers/etc.This sale is available to EVERYBODY, not just the folks who walk into our store. Take advantage of this opportunity to pick up your copy of Campaign: Paradiso, expand your sectorials or start that new faction you've been eyeing.
We have a fairly large amount of backstock, and if we happen to run out of what you're looking for we will be placing our restock order on the following Monday to get what you need.
The Saloon is open Black Friday 12 am to 12 am, Saturday 12 noon to 12 am, and Sunday 12 noon until 10 pm. All times are Mountains Standard. Remember that all Battlefoam Products are 25% off this weekend as well, but you cannot order anything except bags and foam online. You will need to call in to us to place an order for models and gaming supplies. Ask for Chris or Bill.
It seems that it's 25% off all products only if you walk-in. Otherwise, it's 25% off only on Battlefoam items.
Meanwhile actual online shops such as Warstore, SciFiGenre, Miniatures Market, have a constant 20% off deal and commonly employ an additional Black Friday deal. Warstore, I know has an annual additional 5% off deal.
I never said that.
But they have a constant 20% off Infinity (check their site) and often have a Black Friday Sale of some sort; who knows what'll happen this year.
@Alpharius: No offense, but I would totally laugh if they still didn't show the Raicho model! I am scared to see said model because I am fighting the urge to start yet another force. The Ajax model just about has me wanting to go to the war store website and order the steel phalanx set!
By the way, thanks to all who gave me some good ideas for an Ajax list, I need to review them and see which I like better.
Absolutionis wrote: It seems that it's 25% off all products only if you walk-in. Otherwise, it's 25% off only on Battlefoam items.
Meanwhile actual online shops such as Warstore, SciFiGenre, Miniatures Market, have a constant 20% off deal and commonly employ an additional Black Friday deal. Warstore, I know has an annual additional 5% off deal.
Seeing as I will be the guy answering the phone for everyone who calls to place an order, I can say with confidence that this is 100% completely incorrect. It most certainly applies to anyone who wants to make an order, you'll just need to pay shipping if we have to ship it. Take advantage of this opportunity!
Another unit box for Haqqislam would be good - the Djanbazan and Janissaries could both potentially have them (following the logic of the Druze and Wu-Ming setups), while I expect both the Sekban and Kaplans to be released soon-ish in that format. I suspect the Sekban first though, since the Kaplans do have at least the one model...
But I don't know if I should be excited about the Sekban. Should I? Are they neat?
I hope that instead of Raicho (uhh.... I hope that my monkeys are not going to kill me...I have to watch out on those bastards with Martial Lv4) we will see finally Iguana (Gecko would be also fine)... I just love Corregidor and they are missing heavy gear for so long time... please, give us finally small TAGs for those bastards.
Speaking about Ajax - he is awesome. I just can't wait to add this guy to my Greek army and make frontal assaults on anyone who will dare to oppose me!
When will Scarface and Cordelia be available for the common populace?And does Cordelia's head come separate? I was thinking of swapping it with an Odalisque.
If I Google Raicho Raichu, the first wave of things that come up are the Turkey holding the sign, a bunch of Raichus in CA colors, and one of the Dakka chaps holding his rulebooks.
Do we have word on which armies can use Scarface & Cordelia, yet? Sorry if that's been answered already (I have read the thread, as it's happened, but I've been to sleep since then).
Ian Sturrock wrote: Do we have word on which armies can use Scarface & Cordelia, yet? Sorry if that's been answered already (I have read the thread, as it's happened, but I've been to sleep since then).
Ian Sturrock wrote: Do we have word on which armies can use Scarface & Cordelia, yet? Sorry if that's been answered already (I have read the thread, as it's happened, but I've been to sleep since then).
According to the C every list that does not contain Highlanders is allowed to have Scarface and Cordelia. No alien factions of course.
Looking at Cordelia again, removing the head/hair is easily possible, but would require some sculpting to reestablish details on her collar and shoulders.
Chemical Cutthroat wrote:If I Google Raicho Raichu, the first wave of things that come up are the Turkey holding the sign, a bunch of Raichus in CA colors, and one of the Dakka chaps holding his rulebooks.
That is awesome!
Maybe someone someday will be looking for the RAICHO, and find Dakka Dakka as well!
It's a WIN WIN situation!
That is if, you know, they actually release the damn thing!!!
According to the C: P every list that does not contain Highlanders is allowed to have Scarface and Cordelia. No alien factions of course.
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I assume he's asking about ITS restrictions, in which case S&C can be found only in Qapu Kalqi sectorial list.
Also, what you said it's only applied when playing campaigns in narrative mode.
And for those of you thinking of putting a beard on him, my advice is .....DON'T.
Not unless you want you opponent to put on their best "Brian Blessed" voice at the start of each turn this model is on the table and yell "Gordon's ALIVE?"
AJAX - really awesome mini. Just can't wait to add this brute to my army and launch 1st assault (I hope that no enemy snipers will take him dwon before he start killing). He will be great leader of fire team.
Hehe... I was sure that we will not get Raicho - it was to obvious .... I was hoping for Iguana or Gecko... yeah, I have to wait a little longer.
On the other hand I love Nomad sniper - awesome idea.
Seeing 3rd HacTao - this is big suprise and I was really hoping for something different.
All in all Ajax and moderators are the ebst in my opinion!
Reviews: I like Ajax. He definitely is a nasty customer. The Briscard is nice. Definitely suggests that if we see a box the Sniper Rifle will be in there rather than the HRL. Muyibs box is definitely a nice combination. One of everything! Scarface & Cordelia remain unchanged and I'm still loathing the bellybutton arms.
On to the new stuff! Hac Tao with HMG is gorgeous. Definitely makes you think of a heavily armored, hardcore goon. The Moderator with the MULTI Sniper Rifle is (forgive me here, Alpharius ) absolutely gorgeous! He looks professional while getting across that he is a Moderator. The fact that he is based with part of the ALEPH Sophotect is a fun touch which I really like. Gonna be picking this guy up when he comes out to use as a SpecOps. Hatail Spec-Ops is nice. Not sure how I feel about him wearing what looks like a biker jacket over his armor, but the hooded and helmeted head is nice.
red_rogue wrote: AJAX - really awesome mini. Just can't wait to add this brute to my army and launch 1st assault (I hope that no enemy snipers will take him dwon before he start killing). He will be great leader of fire team.
Hehe... I was sure that we will not get Raicho - it was to obvious .... I was hoping for Iguana or Gecko... yeah, I have to wait a little longer.
On the other hand I love Nomad sniper - awesome idea.
Seeing 3rd HacTao - this is big suprise and I was really hoping for something different.
All in all Ajax and moderators are the ebst in my opinion!
They said that the Raicho is coming in November. If he is not, people are going to absolutely riot.
The Iguana is supposed to be done as well.
The Gecko was, as of GenCon, not even at the concept art stage. So it will be awhile yet.
@Kanluwen - thanks for info about Nomads... I guess that I understand people waiting for Raicho very well... I was also waiting for it, but with HS I joined bastards from Corregidor and I am waiting for Iguana and Gecko like others I waiting for Raicho.
Anyway, I do not belive that we will see 2nd TAG in November.... so, we will have Morat riot soon
I'm kind of looking at both Corregidor and Bakunin. I think I can manage a Bakunin force with absolutely none of the "weird" stuff I dislike (Reverend Moiras, I'm looking at you).
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Hindenburg wrote: Did they officially say the Raicho was due in november? Wasn't that just speculation based on the teasers?
Did I miss something?
They said at GenCon that "In November, we expect people to start sending us pictures of you with your Raichos".
Great releases, of notable mention is the Hac Tao, does this mean we will get a multi rifle Swiss guard finally soon? and the Moderator who is taking aim from an Alephs Sophotects Mother Forge, looks like that Sophotect sold her life and failed. The Tohaa Spec Ops looks great as it was to be expected from Spec Ops.
I had unjustified and insatiable hopes for more than one Aleph release this month, but this way I might be able to catch up a little.
The moderator is really cool, so is the Specop.
They said at GenCon that "In November, we expect people to start sending us pictures of you with your Raichos".
Huh. They sort of dropped the ball then, didn't they. What a shame.
As someone mentioned, there was an issue with the boxing of the Wu Ming which pushed it back.
It could suggest that the Corregidor box and Raicho are coming out next month rather than this month because of it. I just wish they would actually say something about it, considering the Raicho has been missing since the core rulebook and Corregidor are one of just two Sectorials(NeoTerra can't really be given a starter box given the Auxilia's status as the "basic" troop choice and the QK force is basically the Haqqislam starter box minus the sniper model. So it leaves just the Morat Aggression Force and Corregidor) without a starter box which could actually have one.
Not bad, but I sort of feel let down mainly because we have seen most of the miniatures already. The moderator is a nice surprise, but I don't play Nomads. For me the winner would be Ajax, he looks so boss it's not even funny.
I do feel bad for Alpharius, no Raicho on Thanksgiving makes me wonder if his head has exploded!
Where has Alpharius gone??!! ALPHARIUS ?!?!? Has anyone seen him?!?
Only kidding mate, is there any chance that the Raicho will come now before xmas?!
Other than this though have to say again what a stunning line up of releases. The Tohaa Spec ops is probably one of my favourite Spec Ops so far, the Moderator sniper an example of how terrain can work with a miniature, and the HMG just looks dangerous!
Well... what can I say... Production has its own complexities that goes beyond what we can consider "cool", "gamewise", "Haqqislam humanitarian behaviour"...
After these months when we released 6 products/15 miniatures in October and now 7 products/11 miniatures in November the production staff is working at their 100%
The Raicho casted and assembled metal miniature is now in the skillfull hands of Angel Giraldez so, I dare to say that this miniature will be next December's big thing among other cool miniatures.
But... not all the Infinity players are CA/Morat players... there's lot of stuff to do, lots of troop gaps to fill...
Didn't the HRL Muyib just come out recently? Doesn't that make it weird that it's immediately in the Muyib boxed set?
I own the DEP blister so it doesn't make any sense for me to buy this instead of the Spitfire + buddy and HRL blister.
A bit boring.
Pacific wrote:Where has Alpharius gone??!! ALPHARIUS ?!?!? Has anyone seen him?!?
Only kidding mate, is there any chance that the Raicho will come now before xmas?!
No chance of a before Christmas Raicho now, if it isn't in November's releases.
Which apparently it isn't.
Kanluwen wrote:Alph is probably spending time with his family.
I'll rage for him though.
WHAT?! NO RAICHO?!
REVOLT! REVOLT! REVOLT!
NOVEMBER SHOULD BE RAICHOVEMBER! Argh!
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Bostria wrote:Hello, Magno.
Well... what can I say... Production has its own complexities that goes beyond what we can consider "cool", "gamewise", "Haqqislam humanitarian behaviour"...
After these months when we released 6 products/15 miniatures in October and now 7 products/11 miniatures in November the production staff is working at their 100%
The Raicho casted and assembled metal miniature is now in the skillfull hands of Angel Giraldez so, I dare to say that this miniature will be next December's big thing among other cool miniatures.
But... not all the Infinity players are CA/Morat players... there's lot of stuff to do, lots of troop gaps to fill...
Have a nice day, you USAriadnans.
So it won't be available in the US by Christmas.
Thanks for filling in from me Kan (I was spending time with the family!), and thanks for the update - December it is!
I suppose we should have expected something like this, given that Angel keeps asking for more 'likes' on his FB page, and given the overall history of this model!
Kanluwen wrote: That "missing fig" is going to be available only through the Hassassin Bahram boxed set starting February.
Good thing I already have it. I need to run into my FLGS and grab the Rifle/DEP pack and the HML before the disappear and go into the box only, making me buy a redundant Spitfire.
Alpharius wrote: Help a brother out - which blister should I be getting now?
That depends.
Do you have a Hassassin Muyib with Spitfire or the Hassassin Bahram boxed set?
The (in my opinion--unjustifiably silly complaining) about this is in regards to the fact that the Muyib with Spitfire who is currently a double blister, shared with the only Hassassin Muyib model not included in the Muyib box.
It's the standing and firing Muyib(rifle & shotgun) who is also present in the Hassassin Bahram boxed set.
So he won't be available in two places anymore. He'll now be a starter box only model...in an undeniably useful starter box for anyone who wanted Hassassin Muyibs anyways.
It wouldn't be silly complaining if they were released like this initially. If someone has one of the packs and doesn't know to buy the rest before the box comes out, the only way to get the rest of the Muyibs is expensive boxes and redundant models.
Though my complaints are more from a 'really? All we got were repackaged old models?' standpoint.
They basically seem to have arranged it that you'll buy the Hassassin starter and the Muyib box, at which point you'll have all 5 sculpts with no redundancies. It works, but works better for newcomers. I guess that Scarface counts as a QK release, but I'd have liked to see either the Iguana, the Sekban or the missing Druze blister, personally. Ah well, December awaits!
plastictrees wrote: Right, this is a good move for new Haq players, not so good for anyone who's bought some but not all of the existing Muyib blisters.
Basically this. For new players, being able to buy the Bahram box and the Muyib box and having all of the Muyibs is a great deal. If they do it for the other Hassassins as well, or, well, anything that's going to be in a fireteam, it's great for new players.
It's not so great for older players who have only some of the blisters. It basically means you have to go out right now and grab them or end up with redundant models.
I'm just going to go ahead and offhandedly mention the Mobile Brigada with Multi Rifle and Chasseur with Rifle.
To get both of those, you end up with "redundant models" if you're planning on doing a specific Sectorial. The Chasseur is definitely the biggest offender though, as he's the only Merovingian model in the entire vanilla Ariadnan starter box. The fact that he still is not in a blister by himself is downright criminal.
The Hassassin with Rifle and Shotgun is--as of right now--still available in a blister format for anyone who wants him.
The blisters are not being discontinued until February.
Past that time, he will still be available in a format where he is actually useful to someone who wants him for the Sectorial he belongs to(the Hassassin Bahram).
What's more, the Rifle+Shotgun loadout for the Hassassin Muyib also can be considered as being within the box anyways, given that it includes 3(!) profiles which all include a D.E.P. as well.
The only exception is the Panzerfaust, Rifle+Light Shotgun, D-Charges loadout.
So excuse me. I just can't muster up that much sympathy for complaints when if I want to field 3 different loadouts of the Chasseur (Basic, FO, Minelayer) I have to find people willing to sell them or cut up models to make something which looks visibly different to a standard Metro or other existing model for proxy purposes.
So I shouldn't be expecting "condolences on having to buy some minis you like anyway" flowers from you Kan? Just want to make sure I have enough vases.
plastictrees wrote: So I shouldn't be expecting "condolences on having to buy some minis you like anyway" flowers from you Kan? Just want to make sure I have enough vases.
If you like the VanillAriadna box and its contents--kudos to you!
For myself? The Russian models and the Caledonian are just "bleh" when one considers getting a Chasseur. Even selling them on won't justify the cost, since they are readily available in blisters themselves.
The Intel SpecOps could be a good proxy but the problem comes up with the fact that it doesn't look lightly armored enough to be something which screams "Chasseur".
-Loki- wrote: I'm sad now. All Haqq got was a repackage of the Muyibs, which is also missing a fig.
The one from the starter? That's not really a shame, I guess most of Bahram players already got that one.
Also, check Shae-Konnit on the Infinity section of Dakka. You can arrange to get the 3 Muyyibs you want from him and he will keep the one you already have. You obviously pay less than for the full box.
It's annoying when the re-package in ways like that.
Like the Yu-Jing support pack being the ONLY box where you can get the helperbots for Yu Jing. What if I only want the Japanese doctor and a helperbot? Ughughugh.
So yeah. Less boxes more blisters it it was up to me.
Hindenburg wrote: It's annoying when the re-package in ways like that.
Like the Yu-Jing support pack being the ONLY box where you can get the helperbots for Yu Jing. What if I only want the Japanese doctor and a helperbot? Ughughugh.
So yeah. Less boxes more blisters it it was up to me.
I think store owners are saying the opposite though, and they kinda sorta pay more of the bills than you or me, unless we're all ordering direct from CB...
Yes right, I was told that this is the reason CB is making this switch. The game is growing quite fast and so it has to be as easy as possible for retailers to order in stock and display it.
I guess also that the boxes are probably easier for new players coming into the game (they won't have to do what I did for instance when I didn't have a clue what was what - have 1 window open with the Infinity miniatures page, another with a web-store item list, and another with the army builder ) The negative of course is for players who already have some models and want to expand, although presumably it will be relatively easy to use either Shae's shop or buy what you need from an auction site.
I really like the Briscard with rocket launcher. The Muyibs remind me of early 90s GIJoes, which is a good thing. The Moderator with sniper rifle is nice as well.
I think store owners are saying the opposite though, and they kinda sorta pay more of the bills than you or me, unless we're all ordering direct from CB...
Pacific wrote: Yes right, I was told that this is the reason CB is making this switch. The game is growing quite fast and so it has to be as easy as possible for retailers to order in stock and display it.
This is a legit reason for doing so and I understand that they want to do that.
But in a perfect world they would provide both blister and box variant, oh well.
Of course, in a perfect world I would also get what I've wanted for years this Christmas. A pile of naked asian women.
CB could easily supply both demands.
1. Make as many boxes as possible, so that store owners are happy and the game can continue to spread its awesomeness.
2. Make every model seperately available, not as blisters, the redundancy would cost too much, but as a direct order from CB.
That way most players would go to their local store and just buy the new box.
Veterans and people who just need one more specimen of XY would order from CB directly, pay for the shipping and maybe even a slight increase over the box price, but still save money compared to buying the box and using the unwanted models for lead-pouring on new year's eve.
I'd
I think store owners are saying the opposite though, and they kinda sorta pay more of the bills than you or me, unless we're all ordering direct from CB...
Pacific wrote: Yes right, I was told that this is the reason CB is making this switch. The game is growing quite fast and so it has to be as easy as possible for retailers to order in stock and display it.
This is a legit reason for doing so and I understand that they want to do that.
But in a perfect world they would provide both blister and box variant, oh well.
Of course, in a perfect world I would also get what I've wanted for years this Christmas. A pile of naked asian women.
In a perfect world, CB would sell the models individually on their site.
@PS: You're right of course that it would steer an uproar, but you cannot be serious to call it a compromise from a customer's point of view. Where are they making concessions to the customers? It's Hobson's choice!
I want it, so I have to buy it no matter the conditions, which are actually in favour of retailers and distributors.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying CB is evil, or that economic measures are wrong in general. We all want to see CB thrive, so that they can provide us with wonderful miniatures for decades to come, but you have to call a spade a spade.
So in case CB really sways from blisters to more and more boxes, then it's a marketing move (which is ok for me) and not a compromise between retailer's and customer's needs.
I think the boxes as a compromise need a bit more work before they reach that point.
Take the Myrmidon box as an example.
It's nice to have all those options, but what about people who want to focus the models a bit more? The bodies are almost all the same so why not have the Combi Rifles x4, Boarding Shotguns x4, Chain Rifles x4, or CCWs x4?
Because that requires too much resources on CB's part. Look at how much a weapon sprue increases the cost of the SpecOps and multiply that difference by four.
The one thing I disagree with regarding the boxes is that the logic seems backwards. As it stands, the common weapons are in the boxed sets whereas the 'heavy' weapons have special sculpts and are sold in blisters.
The 'heavy' weapons such as Spitfires should be part of the boxed set because you're 'meant' to get the box only once. You'll probably only need one Myrmidon/Odalisque with a Spitfire or one Haramaki with a ML... put it in the boxed set; even if it has a 'typical' body type, it'll be offset by the blatantly unique weapon.
The blisters should be reserved for "expansions" to the boxed set so they include an extra model with a Rifle or Shotgun in case you want to run two. Perhaps they can even raise the price slightly and offer a variety of weapon options (like doctor parts for Haqqislam).
Am I wishlisting too much?
EDIT: On second glance, it seems they're heading down this path after all. The Muyib set includes the Spitfire, HRL, and DEP. The Wu Ming set has a ML and HMG.
...then again they released the Spitfire Kaplan in a blister.
Absolutionis wrote: Because that requires too much resources on CB's part. Look at how much a weapon sprue increases the cost of the SpecOps and multiply that difference by four.
It's not just the weapon sprue that increased that cost. It seems to be almost GW in that it also includes an extra head (or in the case of the Intel SpecOps, a second arm choice) and is going to be something you will only buy one of.
The one thing I disagree with regarding the boxes is that the logic seems backwards. As it stands, the common weapons are in the boxed sets whereas the 'heavy' weapons have special sculpts and are sold in blisters.
The 'heavy' weapons such as Spitfires should be part of the boxed set because you're 'meant' to get the box only once. You'll probably only need one Myrmidon/Odalisque with a Spitfire or one Haramaki with a ML... put it in the boxed set; even if it has a 'typical' body type, it'll be offset by the blatantly unique weapon.
The blisters should be reserved for "expansions" to the boxed set so they include an extra model with a Rifle or Shotgun in case you want to run two. Perhaps they can even raise the price slightly and offer a variety of weapon options (like doctor parts for Haqqislam).
Am I wishlisting too much?
No, but I think we're at different ends of the spectrum for what we'd like out of boxes.
In my opinion, the most logical thing would have been to have the "basic" options in the boxed set with the blisters having special options.
EDIT: On second glance, it seems they're heading down this path after all. The Muyib set includes the Spitfire, HRL, and DEP. The Wu Ming set has a ML and HMG.
...then again they released the Spitfire Kaplan in a blister.
See, that was a bit of a weird one to me as well for the Muyibs.
Until you remember that there are 3 profiles of the Muyib including a D.E.P.
It just makes sense to include the D.E.P. at that point. And remember, not just the Spitfire Kaplan got released in a blister. The Spitfire Wildcat did as well.
The "basic" options of Rifles, Shotguns, etc are not uncommonly fielded in multiples. It's immensely rare for someone to field multiple models with a sniper/ML/spitfire.
Hence you only buy the boxed set once, get 2 basic models and 2 heavy weapons, and then consider buying a "booster" blister if you want to go the common route of fielding more riflemen.
Or for those that just want to try out a Muyib/Myrmidon/etc without buying the whole boxed set, they could get a "common" model with minimal cost. If they like it, they can get the whole boxed set without fear of duplicate models.
Because I've always found it easier to convince people to get into games when I can show them a boxed set for units rather than "You'll need this blister, this blister, and this blister to field a unit".
Want to play Haqqislam? Pick up the Starter and blister or two that you think looks cool.
You think the Muyibs look cool? Pick up the blister, it comes with a standard guy. You think Odalisques look cool? Pick up the blister, it comes with a standard rifle. Low-cost.
A week later, if they hate Odalisques and like Muyibs, they pick up the boxed set that comes with more 'advanced' options like Heavy Rocket Launchers and Spitfires.
As it stands, if a new player really likes the look of the Haramaki, their only options are the entire boxed set of several models or the one with the rocket launcher.
Because I've always found it easier to convince people to get into games when I can show them a boxed set for units rather than "You'll need this blister, this blister, and this blister to field a unit".
The thing that drew me to Infinity was specifically the a la carte approach to buying a force. Moving to all boxes... isn't the direction I hoped they'd go.
Baiyuan wrote: @PS: You're right of course that it would steer an uproar, but you cannot be serious to call it a compromise from a customer's point of view. Where are they making concessions to the customers? It's Hobson's choice!
I want it, so I have to buy it no matter the conditions, which are actually in favour of retailers and distributors.
Privateer Press in the U.S. has an online store where they sell the following:
- Their plastic starter boxes
- The individual parts for each metal model (single piece models that are sold one-per-blister not included)
The prices are set so that it costs more to buy a complete model part by part than it does to buy the model through normal retail channels. And that's before the shipping and handling fees structured for a person shifting through parts bins and filling orders by hand. I might not pay close attention, but I've never read about people complaining that their parts store undercuts anyone.
So how much of an individual parts tax are you willing to accept?
Baiyuan wrote: @PS: You're right of course that it would steer an uproar, but you cannot be serious to call it a compromise from a customer's point of view. Where are they making concessions to the customers? It's Hobson's choice! I want it, so I have to buy it no matter the conditions, which are actually in favour of retailers and distributors.
Privateer Press in the U.S. has an online store where they sell the following: - Their plastic starter boxes - The individual parts for each metal model (single piece models that are sold one-per-blister not included)
The prices are set so that it costs more to buy a complete model part by part than it does to buy the model through normal retail channels. And that's before the shipping and handling fees structured for a person shifting through parts bins and filling orders by hand. I might not pay close attention, but I've never read about people complaining that their parts store undercuts anyone.
So how much of an individual parts tax are you willing to accept?
Personally, I'd be willing to pay double the cost of a full miniature for that type of service. Espescially if I'd be able to buy the starter set exclusive minis that way.
Because I've always found it easier to convince people to get into games when I can show them a boxed set for units rather than "You'll need this blister, this blister, and this blister to field a unit".
The thing that drew me to Infinity was specifically the a la carte approach to buying a force. Moving to all boxes... isn't the direction I hoped they'd go.
Units != starter boxes.
Let's make a bit of speculation here. Let's say someone wants to do a Briscard heavy force for Merovingia.
Then let's say that the Briscard box has 2x Marksman Rifles and 2x Sniper Rifles.
A unit of AVA 5 with decent costs and options for a Lieutenant and various special weapons.
To get 3x Marksman Rifles, 1x Sniper Rifle, and 1x Heavy Rocket Launcher would involve 2 boxes and a blister pack.
If they were to do a "Unit Box" with 4x Marksman Rifles in various poses, one box would give you a Lieutenant and 3x Marksman Rifles. Leaving you an extra which could easily be converted to a Sniper Rifle, given the Intel's spare Sniper Rifle and then you'd just need the HRL blister and an Intel SpecOps(which most people are going to be getting anyways).
What good is the Merovingian starter box to them then?
Or for that matter, what good is the basic Ariadna box to someone who wants to do Merovingia?
Aside from the Chasseur, that's a completely useless box to a Merovingia player.
And what if someone just wanted to add the Bricard HML with no intention of ever having any others? They have to buy the full Briscard box, and just suck it up that they effectively paid $50 for one model?
But that's not what's happening. The Muyib box sets a new precedent, of everything going in two different boxes. I know if my friend asked me 'Hey, I want to add a rifle Muyib to my army, where do I get it now' and I told them 'buy one of two $50 boxes', they simply go back to 40k.
Hell, the reason I sold my brother and a friend on this game was the very flexible availability of models. If this continues, I'll likely lose those people as opponents.
Of course it's conjecture. My other point still stands - if you want to just add one normal guy with a rifle, and the only way to get it is by buying one of two $50 boxes, this game has ceased to be affordable.
The 'boxed squad' thing works for some units, but they really need to keep a way to buy them separately, because while, hey, buying a full firetam is cool, not everyone is going to want a full fireteam. If someone isn't buying into a Sectorial, and the only way to get the 5 models they want is to buy 5 boxed sets, the game simply becomes more expensive than even 40k to get what you want on a model by model basis.
Muyibs and many of the Hassassin in general are a special case. Each has a specialized role and the Muyib's role is making things explode. They have tons of mines, missiles, rockets, E/Maulers, and DEPpy things. Makes sense that the box has these items.
Not necessarily a precedent, but if it is once, I think it's a good thing, but other people don't seem to agree. Ultimately, I personally don't care because I've always had a "gotta catch 'em all" mentality when it comes to my factions (Aleph and Haqqislam).
I just figured that a box of one-time-buys of 'special weapons' and common weapons would appeal to people wanting multiples of the unit.
A blister of a model with a "common" weapon would appeal to a new player starting out or a veteran player looking to expand their link-team with the 'common' weapon.
After all, the highlight of units such as Odalisques, Myrmidons, Haramaki, and Muyibs are not their weapons, but their special abilities and role. It just so happens that their abilities often let their armaments shine.
There is a Myrmidon box with a variety and there is a Myrmidon blister with a Spitfire. I've never found myself wanting more than one Spitfire, but I've often found myself wishing I had two with Combi Rifles.
I tend towards Loki's point of view.
I only got my primary opponent into buying his initial force, because I told him he could pretty much buy whatever he liked and make it work somehow.
He liked the Nomads, but hated the contents of the boxes, so he bought just blisters and a tag.
Had I told him he had to buy the starter box otherwise he would only have special weapons, he wouldn't have picked up the game at that point.
For example the shotgun hellcat he bought has been fielded like that every game.
The spitfire prowler has so far been equipped with anything but a spitfire.
From my (an Aleph player's) point of view, how am I ever supposed to get together enough myrmidons with chain rifles? I know there is a "blank" one without ranged weapon in the box, but that's just silly imo and I'd still have to buy two boxes to fill up those order monkeys. They are almost identical and the only miniature that has a different pose and that I can easily stock up on is the spitfire version of which I'll hardly ever need two with all those spitfired enomotarchos out there.
Absolutionis wrote: After all, the highlight of units such as Odalisques, Myrmidons, Haramaki, and Muyibs are not their weapons, but their special abilities and role.
Of course, and to add one, you now need to spend $50 on that one Muyib/Odalisuq/Myrmidon. The rest are models you didn't want. Which I can't see increasing their sales, but I can see annoying people enough to not buy the box.
The solution is to offer a box of basic and special weapons for whoever just wants several as a core or for starting off.
And also offer a blister with one or two models with a very basic armament of rifle/shotgun/whatever.
Infinity has gotten big enough that stocking the enormous quantity of blisters is no longer attractive for retail stores and distributors.
I do agree with you that it would be rather nice for Corvus Belli and other willing internet stores to simply offer individual models.
Regardless, for everything else, there's Cho/Shae-Konnit.
Now I love me some Infinity, and I'll certainly let a lot slide in here, but can you guys kindly take that particular discussion over to the Infinity Forum and let this one be about... News and Rumors?
According to sources on the forums, the December releases are going to be revealed on http://infinityo-12.com/main/ podcast at midnight Spanish time December 1st (when November becomes December).
I really hope that wide-based thing is Aleph's Penthesilea and she's actually riding the motorcycle competently rather than being a motorshow girl or a Kum biker ass-raise. The Aragoto is excellent as is; just add character.
it would be awesome to see December releases so quickly.... so, we will see Raicho.... I am counting on Corregidor starter and last but not least SCOT GUARD (of course this is just my wish)
and yes biker girl for Aleph would be awesome, but it will mean really hard month for my wallet
Of course it very well COULD be the different angel, but the right weapon arm seems to be lower, the feet don't seem to be going over the edges as much, and I don't see the codpiece. The left leg also doesn't seem to be massive enough.
According to the O-12 Podcast, December's releases are:
- PanO Hospitaller Knight with HMG - Haqqislam Sekban with Heavy Rocket Launcher
- Nomads Riot Grrls 4-Figure Boxed Set
- Aleph Phoenix with Heavy Rocket Launcher
- Tohaa Makaul 4-Figure Boxed Set
- Combined Army Raicho
BobaFett, they also called you out for guessing correctly.
Wait, wait, is the Raicho being delayed or not Abso?I cant tell if you are just messing with Alph or not..... If it is....well, i will be sad, lets put it that way
Looking forward to the Hospitilar HMG actually, have they done a MOHMG yet?
- PanO Hospitaller Knight with HMG - Haqqislam Sekban with Heavy Rocket Launcher
- Aleph Phoenix with Heavy Rocket Launcher
- Tohaa Makaul 4-Figure Boxed Set
- Combined Army Raicho is being delayed to spite Alpharius (kidding)
BobaFett, they also called you out for guessing correctly.
And no Corregidor starter box still...
Bah humbug! Especially with another Knight release for PanO.
Putting down my guesses:
The Raicho is on the table.
Phoenix is the model on the upturned Citadel paint pot to the Raicho's right.
One of the Makauls is on the upturned Citadel paint pot above the Raicho and Phoenix.
Knight Hospitaller is the model at the forefront of the case, with the Sekban behind him.
The ones below them are the remainder of the Makaul.
Well, I don't particularly like the Spitfire model the art seen on page 115 of the campaign book really makes me want to see more of them. Maybe it's just the paint job that doesnt cut it for me.
I recall some banter regarding the Riot Grrls; unsure if they verified it as a release. Check the podcast yourself for verification, it's readily available.
(I'm personally going to be unavailable for the next few hours)
The podcast barely mentions the Riot Grrls. They state that they're available, they wish they had images, and then they move on...
For what it's worth they have rumors:
- Infinity Artbook coming in 2013 with concept art and pinups. Rumor comes from Carlos at Corvus Belli.
- Podcast speculates that the old Joan d'Arc is getting a resculpt in January.
I hope by "pinups" they mean posters and not Daktari styled garbage.
I'm really getting quite annoyed by the fact that CB is dragging their feet so much on the Corregidor starter box. The only acceptable excuse is if it contains entirely new models.
I'm really getting quite annoyed by the fact that CB is dragging their feet so much on the Corregidor starter box. The only acceptable excuse is if it contains entirely new models.
I know. I mean, Corregidor has only gotten 2 releases in the last 6 months! How dare they give releases to Morats (nothing new in over 13 months), Military Orders (1 new release in 8 months), Tohaa (only 9 models in the entire army) and Aleph (still 25 releases behind everyone else) before they give Nomads a 3rd starter box!
Okay, I know that's not what you're saying, but your box will come. If Morats can wait over a year with no releases at all,I think Corregidor, which has been getting models fairly regularly, can stand to wait a little longer for their starter.
Absolutionis wrote:According to the O-12 Podcast, December's releases are:
- PanO Hospitaller Knight with HMG - Haqqislam Sekban with Heavy Rocket Launcher
- Nomads Riot Grrls 4-Figure Boxed Set
- Aleph Phoenix with Heavy Rocket Launcher
- Tohaa Makaul 4-Figure Boxed Set
- Combined Army Raicho
BobaFett, they also called you out for guessing correctly.
Well.. at least 3 of those I'll be buying! 100% on the Riot Grrrllss (and can't wait to see what they have done with the sculpts), and can't wait to see the sculptors impression of the Sekban!
Kanluwen wrote:I hope by "pinups" they mean posters and not Daktari styled garbage.
I'm really getting quite annoyed by the fact that CB is dragging their feet so much on the Corregidor starter box. The only acceptable excuse is if it contains entirely new models.
Stop being facetious, you know exactly what they mean...
I am disappointed with December releases. I am not saying that they are bad, because new Knight and Myrmydion character is always welcome, but I was hoping for something for Corregidor or my beloved Caledonians... nbut they didn't plan to release something breath taking.... good at least I will spend more time with family during Christmas
Rumor is that there is a new model coming out for her original heavy armor format within the next few months.
It's worth noting that this is not the same situation as Achilles, etc where the models' image links were broken and the models were still present in the catalog.
I dont know Hindenburg, i think its muted and subtle but really well done. None of this 'flying through the air' nonsense, this pose screams 'thats a kill' at me....
Qapu Khalqi is having a good time lately, it seems. I really like this model; the pose is what I love from Infinity models, the way that the guys are doing things other than pointing-gun or crouching-pointing-gun. Also, his rocket launcher is cool. And that matters to me.
Apparently, January will see:
Kaplan boxed set and a buttload of Ariadna releases.
Ariadna boxed set and Scotsguard HMG, Caledonian Volunteer HMG, and "Wulver Girls".
That Sekban is absolutely walking casually away from a huge explosion!
Very nice mini. Are we likely to see a squad box for these guys any time soon or does one mini mean we'll be waiting a while for more?
Kanluwen wrote: Apparently, January will see:
Kaplan boxed set and a buttload of Ariadna releases.
Ariadna boxed set and Scotsguard HMG, Caledonian Volunteer HMG, and "Wulver Girls".
That seems unlikely. CB (almost) never does two releases for the same faction in the same month, let alone 3 or 4. If those models are coming soon at all it will almost vertainly be spread out over several months.
Kanluwen wrote: Apparently, January will see:
Kaplan boxed set and a buttload of Ariadna releases.
Ariadna boxed set and Scotsguard HMG, Caledonian Volunteer HMG, and "Wulver Girls".
That seems unlikely. CB (almost) never does two releases for the same faction in the same month, let alone 3 or 4. If those models are coming soon at all it will almost vertainly be spread out over several months.
They were all listed under "January" releases.
I should add:
I'm skeptical of this as well, but Corvus Belli aren't really the type to engage in misdirection when it comes to their tournaments.
oh, it will be cool to get wulver grrls , but I guess that scot guard will be first. What's more I also think that they will spread Scots on several months. Anyway, the best news in this week - wulver grrls... it is something like Raicho for me
em no, people want a female wulver model, affectionately called wulver girl, by the initiative that called about them from the Spanish forum, WGN (Wulver Girl Now), not a unit made from female wulvers.
I doubt we will see more than one Ariadna release in one month, these will probably be spaced in a few months releases.
Seriously, the Wulver girls are coming? Great stuff.
So funny with CB doing stuff that the more 'niche' element of the fanbase is after, although I'm sure ultimately they will be popular if its a good sculpt. Fans of Dark Eldar or Wood Elves will know what I'm talking about here!
Indeed, wulver grrrl would be awesome addition for the Caledenion army. 2nd wulfer (with mk.12) has really stupid pose and personally I really want 2 other variants in order to make linked team. I am not thinking about new wulver unit, which is unnecessary.
Chasseur is another pair of shoes and it is annoying that he is not in blister for soooo long time
Revenent Reiko wrote: I dont know Hindenburg, i think its muted and subtle but really well done. None of this 'flying through the air' nonsense, this pose screams 'thats a kill' at me....
Agreed on the paintjob, fantastic work.
I just don't feel it stands out among the other Haqq HI/MI. But then again it shouldn't stand out to much either.
I'm conflicted, haha.
Revenent Reiko wrote: I dont know Hindenburg, i think its muted and subtle but really well done. None of this 'flying through the air' nonsense, this pose screams 'thats a kill' at me....
Agreed on the paintjob, fantastic work.
I just don't feel it stands out among the other Haqq HI/MI. But then again it shouldn't stand out to much either.
I'm conflicted, haha.
I know exactly what you mean!
I like it though for standing out less, but being clever about it....
Kanluwen wrote: Apparently, January will see:
Kaplan boxed set and a buttload of Ariadna releases.
Ariadna boxed set and Scotsguard HMG, Caledonian Volunteer HMG, and "Wulver Girls".
Is this legit? If Bala Perdida (the guy who started the WGN movement) gets one, I'll love CB forever. More, I mean. The mini itself isn't really important, but we have a lot of fun with this
Charles Rampant wrote: Qapu Khalqi is having a good time lately, it seems. I really like this model; the pose is what I love from Infinity models, the way that the guys are doing things other than pointing-gun or crouching-pointing-gun. Also, his rocket launcher is cool. And that matters to me.
I'm actually disappointed that Qapu Khalqi seems the sectorial to go when playing Haqqislam. They seem to have all the cool toys, bar Fiday.
Kanluwen wrote: Apparently, January will see:
Kaplan boxed set and a buttload of Ariadna releases.
Ariadna boxed set and Scotsguard HMG, Caledonian Volunteer HMG, and "Wulver Girls".
Is this legit? If Bala Perdida (the guy who started the WGN movement) gets one, I'll love CB forever. More, I mean. The mini itself isn't really important, but we have a lot of fun with this
Quite frankly, I'll lose respect for them if they do it.
There's no Chasseur Sniper, no Chasseur with Rifle model in a blister pack format, and dozens more profiles in Ariadna alone that need to be done.
They're already behind when it comes to release schedules beyond Spain proper, distribution is already a bit wacky, and they're letting a sculptor work on a joke project?
I mean, yeah, I rather like Qapu Khalqi, but, the assassin sectorial is plenty nice enough too, as is 'generic' Haqqislam!
That's actually a good question. Qapu Khalqi is neat, I think.
I can get Alkasyn's frustration though. Qapu Khalqi is pretty fleshed out for what they have especially considering that they can also add in Kaplan Tactical Services, Druze Shock Teams, and now Scarface and Cordelia.
Kanluwen wrote: Quite frankly, I'll lose respect for them if they do it.
There's no Chasseur Sniper, no Chasseur with Rifle model in a blister pack format, and dozens more profiles in Ariadna alone that need to be done.
They're already behind when it comes to release schedules beyond Spain proper, distribution is already a bit wacky, and they're letting a sculptor work on a joke project?
But why is it a joke? I agree with you on the matter of needed minis, but the Wulver is also missing profiles. The only thing asked is at least one of the models to be a female. It's not a big deal.
Anyway, guys you have to check this. I've posted videos of this guy before, he builds custom scenery. His latest project is a modular spaceship interior for Infinity. It's unbeliable. Too bad, it's only in Spanish, but just look at the pieces... wow
Kanluwen wrote: Quite frankly, I'll lose respect for them if they do it.
There's no Chasseur Sniper, no Chasseur with Rifle model in a blister pack format, and dozens more profiles in Ariadna alone that need to be done.
They're already behind when it comes to release schedules beyond Spain proper, distribution is already a bit wacky, and they're letting a sculptor work on a joke project?
But why is it a joke? I agree with you on the matter of needed minis, but the Wulver is also missing profiles. The only thing asked is at least one of the models to be a female. It's not a big deal.
The Wulver are missing one profile. A "Heavy Shotgun, Grenades" profile.
Corvus Belli is pretty good about representation of genders when it is able to be done. Now, having those different gendered models portrayed similarly is a different story entirely...
The Heavy Shotgun Wulver likely would have been a female anyways. It's an unnecessary movement, clamoring for something which they did not really have to clamor for.
Admittedly, calling it "silly" is probably a bit much but it's one of those things which get under my skin especially after my own experiences on the Infinity forum where several people with the whole "Wulver Giiiiiiiiiiiiirls" sigs made a point of consistently acting like tools in a thread where I had posted regarding my own opinions about the whole "Cheesecake" issue.
The Heavy Shotgun Wulver likely would have been a female anyways. It's an unnecessary movement, clamoring for something which they did not really have to clamor for.
Much like you clamoring for Chasseur models that will be eventually released. The only difference here is that you want one thing and other people want something else.
The Heavy Shotgun Wulver likely would have been a female anyways. It's an unnecessary movement, clamoring for something which they did not really have to clamor for.
Much like you clamoring for Chasseur models that will be eventually released. The only difference here is that you want one thing and other people want something else.
He is used for 3 of the 5 Chasseur profiles. Yet you cannot buy him outside of the Ariadna starter box, which as I've said before is absolutely useless to someone wanting to do a Merovingian force.
The "Wulver girls" clamor is for one specific profile to be made one specific gender. All I bloody want is a model released in a format which is actually bloody sensible rather than forcing me to buy an entire starter box for one model or having to resort to buying one off someone else.
Oh, and just for fun?
It was apparently more important for a "Chasseur female" which can be used for exactly one Chasseur profile to be released than one which could be used for 3.
Edit note:
I can say with 100% certainty that the lack of a "standard" Chasseur model is actively keeping me from starting Merovingia. The only thing, at this point, which would get me doing so would be a Briscards box set with Marksman Rifles as standard.
He is used for 3 of the 5 Chasseur profiles. Yet you cannot buy him outside of the Ariadna starter box, which as I've said before is absolutely useless to someone wanting to do a Merovingian force.
But buying boxes and getting redundant models isn't a problem at all. You can just buy it off Shae.
He is used for 3 of the 5 Chasseur profiles. Yet you cannot buy him outside of the Ariadna starter box, which as I've said before is absolutely useless to someone wanting to do a Merovingian force.
But buying boxes and getting redundant models isn't a problem at all. You can just buy it off Shae.
Which does what?
That's completely irrelevant. I should be able to go to my local shop and buy that model as a blister, not order from someone in the UK.
Micky wrote: Aren't CB kinda phasing out the blisters and going for multi-model boxes instead?
Yes, but as Erasoketa said:
Models with high AVA and Link are the most likely to be given the boxed set treatment. It's also worth noting that the number of different profiles(not counting things like "Rifle, Grenades" and then "Rifle, Grenades [Forward Observer]") the unit has is a factor.
Bou, who is a pretty reliable source and is known to be very chummy with the folks at CB just posted this:
Bou wrote:4 Wulver box is coming in the next months. 2 male and 2 female models.
Swear to God, if they let a sculptor do two different female Wulver models rather than just boxing two T2 Rifles and two Heavy Shotgun Wulvers--I am going to be quite annoyed.
He is used for 3 of the 5 Chasseur profiles. Yet you cannot buy him outside of the Ariadna starter box, which as I've said before is absolutely useless to someone wanting to do a Merovingian force.
But buying boxes and getting redundant models isn't a problem at all. You can just buy it off Shae.
Which does what?
That's completely irrelevant. I should be able to go to my local shop and buy that model as a blister, not order from someone in the UK.
I was just repeating what was said to me earlier when I was griping about them moving to boxes (to be fair, it wasn't raised by you). I was tyrying to do it sarcastically, the reason for the smiley.
However, I agree with you completely, which is why I dislike the move to more boxes. There's models in starters I want (the Naffatun, for example) that I'll never get since I have everything I want from those or its mostly stuff I don't want. The fact that they're moving to boxes means it's even less likely to get those outside of the starters now.
Kanluwen wrote: Bou, who is a pretty reliable source and is known to be very chummy with the folks at CB just posted this:
Bou wrote:4 Wulver box is coming in the next months. 2 male and 2 female models.
Swear to God, if they let a sculptor do two different female Wulver models rather than just boxing two T2 Rifles and two Heavy Shotgun Wulvers--I am going to be quite annoyed.
If that's true, then I guess they will sculpt one male and one female bodies, like the other boxes of 4 minis. I think a wulver box is an odd choice, they already have 2 models and their highest AVA is 4. But if the models are good, I'll welcome them, Wulvers are a great unit.
-Loki- wrote: The fact that they're moving to boxes means it's even less likely to get those outside of the starters now.
I think they said that all the models from the starters would be available individually. I might be wrong though, I don't remember it very well.
Kanluwen wrote: Bou, who is a pretty reliable source and is known to be very chummy with the folks at CB just posted this:
Bou wrote:4 Wulver box is coming in the next months. 2 male and 2 female models.
Swear to God, if they let a sculptor do two different female Wulver models rather than just boxing two T2 Rifles and two Heavy Shotgun Wulvers--I am going to be quite annoyed.
If that's true, then I guess they will sculpt one male and one female bodies, like the other boxes of 4 minis. I think a wulver box is an odd choice, they already have 2 models and their highest AVA is 4. But if the models are good, I'll welcome them, Wulvers are a great unit.
Exactly!
Nothing about a Wulver box makes sense. They have 3 profiles and AVA 4.
A Caledonian Volunteer Corps box? That makes sense.
A Highlander Grey Rifles? Makes sense.
Hell, a SAS box makes sense compared to a Wulver box.
-Loki- wrote: The fact that they're moving to boxes means it's even less likely to get those outside of the starters now.
I think they said that all the models from the starters would be available individually. I might be wrong though, I don't remember it very well.
Nope. They've indicated they have no intention to move the "exclusive" models from the starter boxes until they actually get resculpted or the boxes get redone.
More information from Bou:
Apparently, they're going to discontinue a two year old Wulver model, the Mk. 12 ("jumpy") and have a new one made.
So. STUPID.
The ones on the left are this month's, and the ones on the right are able to be released within the next few months.
To be fair, they also went the opposite route with the catgirl Daktari eventually being remade into a sensible Daktari in spite of the tendency for players to almost never use more than one.
Additionally, nothing about that whiteboard marking states that it's a Wulver boxed set. It could just be a furry-fanservice model that is one of the missing profiles.
Additionally, both Briscards and Wulvers are Ariadna models. It's unlikely they're from the same boxed set (Caledonian Wulvers vs. Merovingian Briscards), so they're likely different months. Back-to-back, Ariadna may not get two boxed sets, so between Briscards and Wulvers, the Briscards would be more likely to get a box.
Kanluwen wrote: If the model "being stupid" necessitates a redo, then I've got a long freaking list I'll be writing up.
Hey hey! The Daktari has an alternative model already!
Which is only in a boxed set.
The fact that they can justify discontinuing a two year old model but not one from the original line-up boggles my brain.
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Absolutionis wrote: To be fair, they also went the opposite route with the catgirl Daktari eventually being remade into a sensible Daktari in spite of the tendency for players to almost never use more than one.
Additionally, nothing about that whiteboard marking states that it's a Wulver boxed set. It could just be a furry-fanservice model that is one of the missing profiles.
There's one missing Wulver profile.
And Bou, who was present and took the photo, said that it was flatout stated it is a boxed set.
Is it a boxed set of all Wulvers then?
Maybe there's some boxed set of Wulvers, Briscards, and something else irrelevant (Kazaks and a Raicho or something)?
Absolutionis wrote: Is it a boxed set of all Wulvers then?
Maybe there's some boxed set of Wulvers, Briscards, and something else irrelevant (Kazaks and a Raicho or something)?
Yep, it's a boxed set of all Wulvers.
Bear in mind that list was not just for one month, but multiple months.
It was available individually for a limited time. I know it's not enough for the people who became interested in Nomads after the time lapse, but it's something.
Kanluwen wrote: The fact that they can justify discontinuing a two year old model but not one from the original line-up boggles my brain.
The reason must be related to sales. The old Daktari is a top seller according to CB. Maybe the jumping Wulver was a fail also sales-wise.
I hadn't seen the tracker. It doesn't make much sense, if I click the link the first products are all Ariadnean. The small Top 5 list is extrange too, 2 Nomad minis, 1 Ec, and 2 tournament items. I'm not sure if it's working.
Now that we actually have a "sale tracker" on their webstore, I have yet to see the old Daktari be on there.
I didn't know about this!
Got a link and/or some data to share?
Here is a link to their "Top Sellers". It is set to show 50 entries per page, sorted by name since you cannot sort by the number of times that entry has been sold. It includes their "Historical" lines and Micro Arts stuff, etc. Basically anything which Corvus Belli sells through their webstore, it shows up here.
There are 450 unique entries. The "Catgirl" is not one of them.
As a fun note though?
The "Jumping Wulver" is.
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Erasoketa wrote: I hadn't seen the tracker. It doesn't make much sense, if I click the link the first products are all Ariadnean. The small Top 5 list is extrange too, 2 Nomad minis, 1 Ec, and 2 tournament items. I'm not sure if it's working.
It's working. Two days ago, the Reverend Custodiers was the Gao-Rael Sniper Rifle.
The reason the first products are Ariadnan is it automatically sorts in A-Z order.
The Ariadna Starter is not available. I wonder if that means anything, or if it's just a stockage issue.
Edit: Shouldn't the list be ordered by sales? It just looks like a big list of (almost) all the items, there are some historical minis too. Also, it doesn't say if that sales are global, since the products were available, or if it's top for a month back, a year, this week...
The Heavy Shotgun Wulver likely would have been a female anyways. It's an unnecessary movement, clamoring for something which they did not really have to clamor for.
Much like you clamoring for Chasseur models that will be eventually released. The only difference here is that you want one thing and other people want something else.
He is used for 3 of the 5 Chasseur profiles. Yet you cannot buy him outside of the Ariadna starter box, which as I've said before is absolutely useless to someone wanting to do a Merovingian force.
The "Wulver girls" clamor is for one specific profile to be made one specific gender. All I bloody want is a model released in a format which is actually bloody sensible rather than forcing me to buy an entire starter box for one model or having to resort to buying one off someone else.
Oh, and just for fun?
It was apparently more important for a "Chasseur female" which can be used for exactly one Chasseur profile to be released than one which could be used for 3.
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I can say with 100% certainty that the lack of a "standard" Chasseur model is actively keeping me from starting Merovingia. The only thing, at this point, which would get me doing so would be a Briscards box set with Marksman Rifles as standard.
You have your reasons for wanting one model, they have their reasons for wanting another. Your reasons aren't better or more valid than theirs, just more relevant to you. They have as much right to want the model they want as you do. You are in fact doing the exact same thing.
The Heavy Shotgun Wulver likely would have been a female anyways. It's an unnecessary movement, clamoring for something which they did not really have to clamor for.
Much like you clamoring for Chasseur models that will be eventually released. The only difference here is that you want one thing and other people want something else.
He is used for 3 of the 5 Chasseur profiles. Yet you cannot buy him outside of the Ariadna starter box, which as I've said before is absolutely useless to someone wanting to do a Merovingian force.
The "Wulver girls" clamor is for one specific profile to be made one specific gender. All I bloody want is a model released in a format which is actually bloody sensible rather than forcing me to buy an entire starter box for one model or having to resort to buying one off someone else.
Oh, and just for fun?
It was apparently more important for a "Chasseur female" which can be used for exactly one Chasseur profile to be released than one which could be used for 3.
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I can say with 100% certainty that the lack of a "standard" Chasseur model is actively keeping me from starting Merovingia. The only thing, at this point, which would get me doing so would be a Briscards box set with Marksman Rifles as standard.
You have your reasons for wanting one model, they have their reasons for wanting another. Your reasons aren't better or more valid than theirs, just more relevant to you. They have as much right to want the model they want as you do. You are in fact doing the exact same thing.
If you cannot see the difference between "repackaging a model into a blister format as well as in a starter box" and "sculpting an entirely new model" and why one is a far more reasonable request than the other, I think we cannot have a productive discussion.
Kanluwen, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the last two pages of this thread have been you whining about the fact that another faction is getting a model that people want, while you don't get a model that you want. It isn't very inspiring reading. If you want a Chasseur model, email CB and let them know. Don't rain on someone else's parade out of spite.
Going back to the Qapu Khalqi issue, I can see that vanilla Haqqislam isn't looking all that hot right not - you lose out on Ahl Fassed, Assassins and the idiot spider tank for going Qapu Khalqi, which isn't all that big a deal. I'd disagree about the assassins though, as I think that the two are sufficiently different in terms of flavour and tactics. From what I can tell, being nowhere near an expert at this, the Hassassin are the 'special rules' element of Haqqislam, having all sorts of crazy camo, impersonator and viral stuff going on, while QK are actually fairly straight forward - get your LI/MI linked murderers of choice, hide or link your Hafza, go mad. Aren't we meant to be getting the Bedouin/crazy stuff sectorial next, with the Kum, Khawarjis and whatnot?
Perhaps it is just that since August or so we've had Kaplans and Sekban both bubble up into view, on top of the Druze box already available. So even though it is only two models, it feels like a lot more because we're all expecting two boxed sets to land. I kinda wish that they'd done a Druze Spitfire rather than the Kaplan, but I get that the kaplan one is also a better proxy for the all-important engineer model, so there is that.
I mean, yeah, I rather like Qapu Khalqi, but, the assassin sectorial is plenty nice enough too, as is 'generic' Haqqislam!
That's actually a good question. Qapu Khalqi is neat, I think.
I can get Alkasyn's frustration though. Qapu Khalqi is pretty fleshed out for what they have especially considering that they can also add in Kaplan Tactical Services, Druze Shock Teams, and now Scarface and Cordelia.
That's exactly what I mean. QK has so many options right now, it just makes me sad when I open the Bahram sectorial in Devilteam and I'm not even able to scroll right to chose more profiles.
Charles Rampant wrote: Kanluwen, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the last two pages of this thread have been you whining about the fact that another faction is getting a model that people want, while you don't get a model that you want. It isn't very inspiring reading. If you want a Chasseur model, email CB and let them know. Don't rain on someone else's parade out of spite.
Going back to the Qapu Khalqi issue, I can see that vanilla Haqqislam isn't looking all that hot right not - you lose out on Ahl Fassed, Assassins and the idiot spider tank for going Qapu Khalqi, which isn't all that big a deal. I'd disagree about the assassins though, as I think that the two are sufficiently different in terms of flavour and tactics. From what I can tell, being nowhere near an expert at this, the Hassassin are the 'special rules' element of Haqqislam, having all sorts of crazy camo, impersonator and viral stuff going on, while QK are actually fairly straight forward - get your LI/MI linked murderers of choice, hide or link your Hafza, go mad. Aren't we meant to be getting the Bedouin/crazy stuff sectorial next, with the Kum, Khawarjis and whatnot?
Perhaps it is just that since August or so we've had Kaplans and Sekban both bubble up into view, on top of the Druze box already available. So even though it is only two models, it feels like a lot more because we're all expecting two boxed sets to land. I kinda wish that they'd done a Druze Spitfire rather than the Kaplan, but I get that the kaplan one is also a better proxy for the all-important engineer model, so there is that.
It's that , but also something more. QK do not lack in terms of Special Rules - see Haris, for example. The Sekban is also in the QK sectorial, while Bahram got a yet another Hassasin profile, this time a dedicated Hacker. I like the Hassasin, otherwise I wouldn't have started with them, but after you've taken your mandatory FIdays and Ragiks they seem pretty bland.
Charles Rampant wrote: Kanluwen, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the last two pages of this thread have been you whining about the fact that another faction is getting a model that people want, while you don't get a model that you want. It isn't very inspiring reading. If you want a Chasseur model, email CB and let them know.
I've let them know. I've let them know for years about it.
And you know what they said each time?
"We have no plans to release that particular model outside of the Ariadna starter box."
That particular model though is just my go to example about the whole situation. They seemingly would rather do an inside joke with the Spanish forum posters when they can get away with it rather than release a model which is actively needed/sought after by players. The Wulver "Girls" are an example of this, as is Phoenix's loadout(a Myrmidon with Missile Launcher who "puts Achilles in his place").
They have the time and inclination to make a 4 model box for a unit which has 3 profiles and a max AVA of 4(the Caledonian Highlanders), including resculpting (and discontinuing!) one existing profile and sculpting the remaining profile for a boxed set, but they cannot up production on a particular and have a card printed for a blister format of a model which is used for 3 profiles and has an AVA of 4 in the MRRF Sectorial?
There are quite a few more examples I could use, but the Chasseur is the one which has stuck in my mind as it was one of the silliest things when they released the ADHL profile for the Chasseur because people "wanted one that looked like the art".
Don't rain on someone else's parade out of spite.
Tell that to all the people continually posting "You just got X for Corregidor, try being like the Morat Aggression Force players who got NOTHING this year besides the Raicho!" over on the Official Infinity Forums whenever myself or anyone post about the missing Corregidor Starter Box.
I will certainly say that I did go a bit off the rails in "Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!" mode though. It's why I stepped back and took a break from posting past my final post last night.
Ah Mondays. Sometimes it's nice to come in to work and catch up on stuff I missed!
The Sekban is great looking. I look forward to seeing the other weapon versions.
People already know how I feel about boxed sets. I still haven't gotten the new Monks because I can't afford them! I can buy one blister but I can't buy a boxed set.
In my opinion after so many years campaigning about it, having the guts to go at tournaments in kilt and organizing various events for the WGN movement support, including art, fan fiction and fun sculpts, Yes, he is worthy to see wulver girls come into existence.
The box set is logical, most people didn't like the vaulting Wulver, it was an old sculpt anyway and the Wulver link team is a potent link for the Caledonian army, turn 3 SKU to 1 and revamp all sculpts too.
The Phoenix is again in my opinion a worthy homage, if nothing else Thrasimedes has make both communities laugh for years.
The chasseur probably falls in the exclusive sculpt of the box deal, all boxes minus JSA have one such model.
wohaaa... within 24 hours you generated 2 pages ... anyway, if we will see wulver box I will be more than happy and those guys/grrls will be first on my shopping list. In fact there is only one wulver which I field. Jumping guy is awful and I avoid using him. So, making box makes a lot of sense for me!!! All in all they 2 wound unit, which makes them really strong fire team - especially with MK.12 rifles.
So, as dedicated Caledenion player and veteran player of many tournaments I can say that wulver linked team will be instantly in my army list as soon as such box will be released (if ever). For me they are much more interesting than Scot Guard. Also Wulvers wear kilts which is for me one of the best trade marks of Caledonians. After reading Scot Guards background I think that they will be not wearing kilts. So, as painter and player I will give all my money for wulver box!!! They really deserve it. It is awesome assault unit.
The caledonian models do amuse me - a fair few players here in Scotland seem to love them and regard them as comedy gold. And then paint irn-bru cans onto their bases.
Kanluwen, I can see the frustration if they've openly said that they won't bother doing a certain model. This is one of the things that people complain at GW for (like, why can't I buy a model of the Hierotitan? It rocks in game...). I suspect that their reasoning is that the model isn't going to sell well, since it is in the boxed set. That said, it wouldn't seem that hard to bring out a blister with two dudes in, one of whom was generic enough to cover the same profile as the Chasseur in the boxed set.
Meanwhile, I'll just wait quietly for the most important bit...KAPLAN BOX!
These guys are much more badass than hairy wolf girls or French light infantry
Tell that to all the people continually posting "You just got X for Corregidor, try being like the Morat Aggression Force players who got NOTHING this year besides the Raicho!" over on the Official Infinity Forums whenever myself or anyone post about the missing Corregidor Starter Box.
I will certainly say that I did go a bit off the rails in "Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!" mode though. It's why I stepped back and took a break from posting past my final post last night.
So how they act on 1 forum, means you should act like it in another forum?
I wouldnt mind him at all if he was standing upright....its the pose that ruins him for me....
Is the hand on the bollard sculpted on or glued, does anyone know? Either way it wouldnt be too hard to get him standing with his hand on the bollard instead of jumping over it (i think anyway)...
I'm trying to convert him like he has already jumped and is about to touch the ground. But I screwed it and now I have to resculpt a hand. So... maybe... someday... u_u
One of the guys in the comments section mentions that we'll see it next thursday on 'On The Table'. Are they usually the first ones or do we usually get some teasers before?
Can't wait... used a proxied Raicho on the table last night, and it was fantastic. Took a wound out of a cutter and killed about 3 other units with lobbed grenades, and survived the whole game.
In case anyone was (still) wondering: Uxia's body, head and hair are all one piece.
I was hoping to maybe switch her head with the hooded Spec Op head, but will just leave it as is now. However converting it that way shouldn't be too difficult, and the Spec Op head would fit almost perfectly.
Corvus Belli wrote:The initial intention of CB is to release the Corregidor Starter Pack during 2013 and make it not be a re-pack of previously released miniatures (as it was with Acontecimetno, Imperial Service...) but make it be a box full of new sculpts like the Steel Phalanx Starter Pack or Haqqislam Starter pack from 2010.
Have a nice day.
OMG... I do not remember when I had so awesome Monday! There is a lot of snow outside and really cold... and now so awesome news for my beloved bloody bastards from Corregidor!!!! I hope that it will be really awesome starter... so, maybe we start speculation what we will see there:
3 x Alguaciles - for sure!
1 x Intruder (I hope for one with ADHL)
1 x Mobile Brigada
1 x Tomcat/Hellcat
red_rogue wrote: OMG... I do not remember when I had so awesome Monday! There is a lot of snow outside and really cold... and now so awesome news for my beloved bloody bastards from Corregidor!!!! I hope that it will be really awesome starter... so, maybe we start speculation what we will see there:
3 x Alguaciles - for sure!
1 x Intruder (I hope for one with ADHL)
1 x Mobile Brigada
1 x Tomcat/Hellcat
I think the Corr box was rumoured to be using Wildcats as the basic troops (though that may be third-hand rumour-mill distortion). At the very least I would be surprised if Wildcats weren't in the starter.
It's not a rumor. Carlos Torres confirmed that the Alguaciles are being replaced with Wildcats in the Corregidor Starter Box.
Should also add it here for posterity's sake:
At the same time we had confirmation of Wildcats in the CJF starter box, we also had it confirmed that Alguaciles are getting a resculpt and packaged into a box.
Kanluwen wrote: It's not a rumor. Carlos Torres confirmed that the Alguaciles are being replaced with Wildcats in the Corregidor Starter Box.
Should also add it here for posterity's sake:
At the same time we had confirmation of Wildcats in the CJF starter box, we also had it confirmed that Alguaciles are getting a resculpt and packaged into a box.
2x good news there - though I don't hate the original Alguaciles as much as others appear to!
That one! Wildcat really makes want to do Nomads. So more of them might push me over the edge. My daughter really wants to play too. I can easily make her, her all girl army with Bakunin. Riot Grrls, Chimera, Reverend Custodes and I'm there practically.
uuchh... wildcats in starter. That makes sense. It will be another strong starter after Steel Phalanx. Good to hear that old Alguaciles will get resculpts. I like current minis, but getting new is always good idea.
I hope that we will also see Daturazi box - they really need resculpts.
Dats could use a box, but it will be nice to add it to the old ones for variety- so you could field the full 7 of them.
The Corregidor box is great news. Here's hoping there's a Moran in there. And although I would personally love another Intruder, I fear that more sculpts will lead to more 5-Intruder armies... yikes!
The Corregidor box is great news. Here's hoping there's a Moran in there. And although I would personally love another Intruder, I fear that more sculpts will lead to more 5-Intruder armies... yikes!
The Moran sadly will not be in a starter. The CK make sure of that.
Savnock wrote: Dats could use a box, but it will be nice to add it to the old ones for variety- so you could field the full 7 of them.
The Corregidor box is great news. Here's hoping there's a Moran in there. And although I would personally love another Intruder, I fear that more sculpts will lead to more 5-Intruder armies... yikes!
At this point, Corvus Belli is focusing upon resculpts for existing units and new units. From what I understand, they are pushing for a lengthy break between "Campaign: Paradiso" and their next book just for that reason. They want to do resculpts of units which they never expected you to be able to field so many models of from the original releases (Intruders and Hellcats, for example) due to the way they did Sectorials.
Intruders are on their list of resculpts, as were Alguaciles and Hellcats(notice the new Boarding Shotgun Hellcat does not match the other Hellcats).
A Moran is not going to be in the starter box, as all their profiles come with 2x Crazy Koalas.
I've been given to understand that Morat Vanguard Infantry are up for a box, same as Alguaciles.
Intruders are on their list of resculpts, as were Alguaciles and Hellcats(notice the new Boarding Shotgun Hellcat does not match the other Hellcats).
Just put together 2 old style Hellcats, and a resculpt will do them well. The minis are awesome looking, but they were not designed w/ practicality in mind. The little wings and fins are so fragile, if I so much as sneeze near them they're gonna fall apart... and I sneeze a lot. Zonds are just as bad, so let's hope they're a bit further down the pipeline.
While I agree w/ Alpharius that I do not hate the Alguaciles as much as some other folks, a resculpt would mean more variety in the pieces I put on the table, and that's always a good thing.
This is good idea to make some break and start re-sculpting season. More Intruders (I want ADHL!!!) and more Hellcats will be good idea. I am not saying that I need more Hellcats or that the old sculpts were bad, but new Hellcat with boarding shotgun looks much better. I just hope that Hellcats will be the last unit in resculpt list. In fact I would prefer to get another Tomcat with Zondcat.
I think that Corregidor and Morats are on the same path. Both need their sectorial starter. Looking at my Morats I would like to get following resculpts:
-box of Suryats (I guess that it is highly possible due to their new profile)
-box of Daturazi - other warbands for CC got their boxes (Ariadna, Ju-Ying, Nomads)... so, space monkeysalso should get some love here
and than I will be really happy man and CB can start releasing models for next sectorials. I am waiting for USAriadna.... I do not remember when I was using foxtrots last time
You could easily make a dynamic and beautiful model keeping it on the base though.
A slight repositioning of that leg so it is standing on a crumbled wall facade or a jersey barrier would have been much better than these awkward "extensions" they use, I think.
Kanluwen wrote: You could easily make a dynamic and beautiful model keeping it on the base though.
A slight repositioning of that leg so it is standing on a crumbled wall facade or a jersey barrier would have been much better than these awkward "extensions" they use, I think.
I...
...agree...
...with...Kanluwen!
I do wish they'd figure out a way to keep things on a 40mm base - since base size does have a pretty big role to play in the game!
.... I was hoping for Iguana or Gecko... yeah, I have to wait a little longer.
