I've never understood GW's addiction to putting armchairs on dragons - even way back with the original dragons which had a mile-high-chariback I've never understood it.
Just left my FLGS empty handed, no Hexwraith Flame, no banshees :( Both are listed as in stock on their site. Had I known that I might've gone to the GW store in another city.
Seeing all those upcoming 'haunts units makes me seriously ponder starting a small force and ordering the starter set. I wanted to finish* my Nurgle army first, though. Stupid plastic crack. The banshees would've been for 40k conversions and I'm only interested in Lady Olynder to turn her into the Lady of Cankerwell, I swear!
*building, we all know the pile of shame will never be painted
I'm also somewhat pleased with the more female depictions the Stormcast are getting.
This plus some units representing other races (like the undead Skaven) makes me hope we can get more variation for all games branches in order to get a more lively troops (as it always open more interesting ideas for conversions)
P.S: i really love those sword wielding nighthaunts and the reaper banshees.
Yeah really liking the addition of unhelmeted heads and female Stormcasts. Aos 1st edition held no interest for me but 2nd edition has enough I like that I went and bought Soul Wars.
They mentioned in the live cast today that the Glaivewraith Stalkers are former huntsmen who have been twisted and merged with their horse in death so they aren't Skaven,
Lord Perversor wrote: I'm also somewhat pleased with the more female depictions the Stormcast are getting.
This plus some units representing other races (like the undead Skaven) makes me hope we can get more variation for all games branches in order to get a more lively troops (as it always open more interesting ideas for conversions)
P.S: i really love those sword wielding nighthaunts and the reaper banshees.
The Glaivewrath Stalkers have horse skulls, not Skaven skulls. I do like the female Stormcast though.
The number of female Stormcast and Nighthaunt sculpts is really interesting I think. From zero to this is a pretty good jump. I wonder if we’ll see that diversity in more armies.
So the Azyr app is bug filled, incomplete and just plain wrong and I’m forced to write my lists with a pen, paper and using maths to add it all up like some sort of caveman. What is this? 2005?
Aren73 wrote: I really don't care if the Stormcast is a female or male, but the model and pose is nice, looks a pleasure to paint.
The female Stormcasts have much nicer proportions, smaller shoulder pads, and generally look better than the male versions IMO.
My exact opinion. I dont like the males that much, but the females just look more natural, their poses more dinamic. Look the evocators, for example, the tabards of the males are shorther and look worse.
I presume the answer is negative, but does anyone know if Crawlocke the Jailer - the named Spirit Torment that went on preorder today - has a unique warscroll/abilities from the regular version in the box set? The online store only has a download for the accompanying Chainghasts...
Clockpunk wrote: I presume the answer is negative, but does anyone know if Crawlocke the Jailer - the named Spirit Torment that went on preorder today - has a unique warscroll/abilities from the regular version in the box set? The online store only has a download for the accompanying Chainghasts...
I don't think so. GW just have this weird habit of giving names to rulewise generic models.
Man, the updated AoS app is terrible.
Formatting is missing from a lot of Warscrolls, so no indication if an ability is working on keyword or unit name, tables are fethed, words missing, rules sometimes plain wrong.
My Ironguts now have 20" range with their melee attacks for example.
with the range split and accounted for already we can only hope after bloodbowl next week, we get the following two weeks releasing each army, one after the other, and the last week of July pre order-ing something new for 40k
aracersss wrote: with the range split and accounted for already we can only hope after bloodbowl next week, we get the following two weeks releasing each army, one after the other, and the last week of July pre order-ing something new for 40k
For just the Nighthaunt side we're waiting for the following...
Chainrasp Horde
Black Coach
Dreadblade Harrow
Guardian of Souls
Knight of Shrouds on Ethereal Steed
Kurdoss Valentian
Lord Exectutioner
Reikenor the Grimhailer
Bladegheist Revenants
Dreadscythe Harridans
Glaivewraith Stalkers
Myrmourn Banshees
That's an awful lot to be released in just two weeks.
Yeah this release is gonna last another 4 weeks at least, all that nighthaunt stuff plus stormcast. GW has released specialist games stuff alongside main releases too so it's going to be a busy july.
For just the Nighthaunt side we're waiting for the following...
Chainrasp Horde
Black Coach
Dreadblade Harrow
Guardian of Souls
Knight of Shrouds on Ethereal Steed
Kurdoss Valentian
Lord Exectutioner
Reikenor the Grimhailer
Bladegheist Revenants
Dreadscythe Harridans
Glaivewraith Stalkers
Myrmourn Banshees
That's an awful lot to be released in just two weeks.
I think the Chainrasp hordes and Knight of Shrouds will remain Soul Wars box only for the time being with the Glaivewraiths and Banshees being just the easy to builds (then again the Sequitors and Evocators on Dracolines weren’t shown until today so who knows!)
Stormcasts have
Aventis Firestrike/ Lord Arcanum on Tauralon
Astreia Soulbright (She doesn’t seem to be a dual kit)
Lord Arcanum on Dracoline
Lord Arcanum
Knight Incantor
Sequitors
Evocators on Dracolines
Evocators (probably includes the version with the 2 handed staffs)
Lord Ordinator
Celestar Ballista
aracersss wrote: with the range split and accounted for already we can only hope after bloodbowl next week, we get the following two weeks releasing each army, one after the other, and the last week of July pre order-ing something new for 40k
I doubt that. The nighthaunt release is almost as large as the deathguard was. After the two aos ranges are done the next big release will probably be Adeptus Titanicus.
I think the gsc 'leak' was done to give 40k players something to tide them over during the long aos release.
By the way the new stormcast sculpts look great and really seem to capture the feel of the new art.
A lot of the new Stormcast are gonna be a must for me, though I'm still gonna collect the original armored ones as well. I really liked that bulky steel wall look.
Hanskrampf wrote: Man, the updated AoS app is terrible.
Formatting is missing from a lot of Warscrolls, so no indication if an ability is working on keyword or unit name, tables are fethed, words missing, rules sometimes plain wrong.
My Ironguts now have 20" range with their melee attacks for example.
Every time they update the app it gets unstable. Right now it's horrifically so. I give credit for GW making a ton of improvements in the past year and a half but the functionality of the app has only gotten worse, if anything. I was using it today for a game and it crashed whenever I changed the filter from one to another, whenever I tried to search for a specific warscroll, and several times for no apparent reason. Warscrolls had issues with formatting cropping words out, weird stuff like grundstock thunderers using a warscroll almost a year out of date, not being able to find documents other than battletomes, and just general buggyness.
They sold printed warscrolls since last year and probably back in 2016 too. (Can't remember but I know the second Stormcast vs Khorne starter set had seperate warscroll packs)
They'll sort it out like they always do, just gonna take some time.
I found it being passed around Twitter. No idea on who the originator was(it was late and I can't find the tweet again, forgot to 'like' it) or I'd credit them.
From War of Sigmar:
New Stormcast Battletome pics
Spoiler:
New Nighthaunt Battletome pics
Spoiler:
Everything else they posted was stuff we've already seen previewed. Thought people would like to see the painting technique. Interesting use of Ionrach Flesh!
It's a shame that the tasty new undead horsemen are not specifically to create a full-on undead knightly crusade together with Black and Blood Knights. They even have a king to lead them (cravenly)!
I hope the Dreadblades are cheap. Probably not a 12€ box :/
The Dreadblade Harrows and Astreia Solbright, if I had to ballpark a guess will probably be around $40-50USD...and that's me hazarding a guess of something more expensive. Depending on the size it could be $25USD(same as the Blight Haulers).
Looks like the Harrows are meant to be 'lieutenants' for the Knight of Shrouds.
Is there an indicator that predicts easy to build pricing? Box size? The small 3 man 40k boxes are 12, the new 12€ boxes have mor models but the same box size, but I think the Blood Reavers are in a bigger box and 5 guys and still 12€. The Blighthauler at 20 was in a bigger box, the dread an even bigger one, but Aggressors are 24 and I think the same sprue size as tje Shadespire stuff at 20 and Felthius's crew clocks in at 32.50.
I'll hope for 20 and expect 24 on the horsemen, at almost 33€ it'd be cheaper to get two KoS on steed from ebay right now. Not really a considerstion for GW, but still.
Binabik15 wrote: Is there an indicator that predicts easy to build pricing? Box size? The small 3 man 40k boxes are 12, the new 12€ boxes have mor models but the same box size, but I think the Blood Reavers are in a bigger box and 5 guys and still 12€. The Blighthauler at 20 was in a bigger box, the dread an even bigger one, but Aggressors are 24 and I think the same sprue size as tje Shadespire stuff at 20 and Felthius's crew clocks in at 32.50.
I'll hope for 20 and expect 24 on the horsemen, at almost 33€ it'd be cheaper to get two KoS on steed from ebay right now. Not really a considerstion for GW, but still.
The number of models is irrelevant, the new easy to build with sculpted base (so far) and one from shadespire are all on 2 same size small sprue.
When's the painting app going to update with the new paints?
sockwithaticket wrote: Those examples of using the technical paints are as underwhelming as expected to be honest.
Step 1: Use our new technical paints.
Step 2: Paint all over the new technical paints so you can't see the effect they create.
Step 3: Wonder why you bought our new technical paints.
Its just that I'm not entirely sure what they are actually there for.
Shades are easy - recess shadows and similar.
Glazes are easy - for blends and tints and verious gradual transitions.
These new technicals though? I dunno what I'm meant to do with them. Dilute not dilute? Coat the model in one coat or pick a small piece and jab it in the recess? Or try feathering with them?
Teach us Lord Dunc and we will buy and use all the new swag!
Aren73 wrote: These new technicals though? I dunno what I'm meant to do with them. Dilute not dilute? Coat the model in one coat or pick a small piece and jab it in the recess? Or try feathering with them?
Teach us Lord Dunc and we will buy and use all the new swag!
With the next week being blood bowl and Shadespire, I am reminded that the Death Guard were fully previewed in the summer and not fully released until the fall...
That evocator chick walking forward with the weapons held outwards is badass. Evocators just beg to have some lightning arcs made between the weapons (in the fluff that's what they do).
Huzzah! I was worried about the Relictor, this is a great compromise.
Davor wrote: Anyone know how come the AoS app at least on iPad still don't have the new rules but the old ones.
It's looking like the update was either rushed or put in too early before it was really cleared. You can ask them about it but I think they're still catching up on fixing it so will release that version later.
Storm Strike being just £5 (or whatever your currency is) more than buying two of the latest release Easy To Build kits is a decent little deal. Hopefully a player local to you can swap the relevant faction so you can double up.
lord_blackfang wrote: Well, the unit sizes don't round off as well as I'd hoped. There's no way to really use all the models no matter what you buy.
No, there's not a way to "use all the models no matter what you buy".
The units have options in the case of Sequitors.
Soul Wars+Storm Strike or the Easy Build for Sequitors=2 units, with options for running as one big block of 10 with 3 Greatmaces(plus a leader with Greatmace) or 2 blocks of 5 with a Greatmace each and your choice of 1 block having a Greatmace on the leader or a Mace+Shield on the leader.
Evocators are short a couple models for sure. No clue why; if I had to hazard a guess it's because the Evocator kit proper can build a Lord Arcanum on foot so you'd be shy a couple models there or they might have a weapon option in there.
Castigators are just weird.
Nighthaunt come out of it fairly well, barring the Grimghasts.
lord_blackfang wrote: Well, the unit sizes don't round off as well as I'd hoped. There's no way to really use all the models no matter what you buy.
No, there's not a way to "use all the models no matter what you buy".
Nighthaunt come out of it fairly well, barring the Grimghasts.
The sole perk to having those stray Grimghast Reapers, is that I just preordered three boxes of them, and this way I can build a Doombell for each box in case I want to run three minimum units, while also having enough guys to run them as a WYSIWYG 30-ghost unit. I'm trying to silver lining how silly their inclusion in Soul Wars has been. :-p
On the other hand, their entire existence confuses me. As they were added into Legions of Nagash in the errata, they've instantly become superior to Grave Guard by such a huge margin that it is silly. I always hate it when a unit outright replaces another unit.
If you just write off the spare bell guys, three sets of nighthaunt from either the main or stripped down starter will give you 9 reapers and an extoller.
Of course, that will also give you three spare glaivewraiths....
Looks to me like the simplest thing is a conversion. Cut off the horse skull and the back spikes and glue on a regular skull cut in half. Add a little strip of green stuff for the blind fold. Finally cut off the spear blade and glue it sideways to look like a scythe.
I am not very good at converting but even with my poor skills I think I could get a decent looking change. If you buy soul wars and the larger mini set you will have a full unit of Reapers and 8 stalkers. This will make the nighthaunt half fully match play compliant.
The stormcast side is more difficult. You would have to convert 2 Castigators into sequitors to balance the set. This would be a much more difficult conversion.
Hanskrampf wrote: Man, the updated AoS app is terrible.
Formatting is missing from a lot of Warscrolls, so no indication if an ability is working on keyword or unit name, tables are fethed, words missing, rules sometimes plain wrong.
My Ironguts now have 20" range with their melee attacks for example.
Every time they update the app it gets unstable. Right now it's horrifically so. I give credit for GW making a ton of improvements in the past year and a half but the functionality of the app has only gotten worse, if anything. I was using it today for a game and it crashed whenever I changed the filter from one to another, whenever I tried to search for a specific warscroll, and several times for no apparent reason. Warscrolls had issues with formatting cropping words out, weird stuff like grundstock thunderers using a warscroll almost a year out of date, not being able to find documents other than battletomes, and just general buggyness.
The new edition of the app seems to work entirely differently - it's more like v1 of a new app than v 3.whatever of the old one. So far, it seems to work OK for me, apart from some odd filtering options (filter on "Order" faction keyword (not alliance) and you get the free peoples artillery, for example). Mor annoying is the removal of Spireguard, Reavers and the High Warden from the Swifthawk Agents. I was in the middle of a game yesterday using the un-updated app on my iPad, when the battery died. I switched to my iPhone, and it whad updated the app; I had to do the last turn and try to remember the stats for my High Warden. :0
Hanskrampf wrote: Man, the updated AoS app is terrible.
Formatting is missing from a lot of Warscrolls, so no indication if an ability is working on keyword or unit name, tables are fethed, words missing, rules sometimes plain wrong.
My Ironguts now have 20" range with their melee attacks for example.
Every time they update the app it gets unstable. Right now it's horrifically so. I give credit for GW making a ton of improvements in the past year and a half but the functionality of the app has only gotten worse, if anything. I was using it today for a game and it crashed whenever I changed the filter from one to another, whenever I tried to search for a specific warscroll, and several times for no apparent reason. Warscrolls had issues with formatting cropping words out, weird stuff like grundstock thunderers using a warscroll almost a year out of date, not being able to find documents other than battletomes, and just general buggyness.
The new edition of the app seems to work entirely differently - it's more like v1 of a new app than v 3.whatever of the old one. So far, it seems to work OK for me, apart from some odd filtering options (filter on "Order" faction keyword (not alliance) and you get the free peoples artillery, for example). Mor annoying is the removal of Spireguard, Reavers and the High Warden from the Swifthawk Agents. I was in the middle of a game yesterday using the un-updated app on my iPad, when the battery died. I switched to my iPhone, and it whad updated the app; I had to do the last turn and try to remember the stats for my High Warden. :0
Played a game yesterday on the old version, updated today and the battalion I was using isn’t in it anymore. Kind of annoying. Are rules that aren’t in it not legal anymore or if I find where that battalion was printed can I still use it?
Forest Spirit Wargrove was the one I used last night. Ancient, couple Lords, a Wych, some Dryads. Get a bonus healing spell on your wizards and can “deepstrike” the members. It’s got a point cost listed in 2018 General’s book.
Previously I’d used Guardians of the Deepwood for the bonus Wyldwoods but that’s not even in the new General’s Handbook anymore.
AduroT wrote: Forest Spirit Wargrove was the one I used last night. Ancient, couple Lords, a Wych, some Dryads. Get a bonus healing spell on your wizards and can “deepstrike” the members. It’s got a point cost listed in 2018 General’s book.
Previously I’d used Guardians of the Deepwood for the bonus Wyldwoods but that’s not even in the new General’s Handbook anymore.
The app is full of errors at the moment. GW said they would put a patch out in the next week or two. Until then it is probably better to rely on ghb2018 and the latest round of faqs.
Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I don't remember the Lord Exorcist. Is he new, or did I just miss his announcement/release?
Nice to see they're doing a "get started" minirulebook for AOS. The 40k one has actually been pretty useful to me. Including what appears to be a unique Evocator is just icing on the cake. He'll be useful for building a Skirmish force.
Barzam wrote: Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I don't remember the Lord Exorcist. Is he new, or did I just miss his announcement/release?
He's new. Went up for preorder with the battletome.
Nice to see they're doing a "get started" minirulebook for AOS. The 40k one has actually been pretty useful to me. Including what appears to be a unique Evocator is just icing on the cake. He'll be useful for building a Skirmish force.
It's a Knight-Incantor that's available outside of the Soul War starter set rather than an Evocator.
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Chikout wrote: Looks to me like the simplest thing is a conversion. Cut off the horse skull and the back spikes and glue on a regular skull cut in half. Add a little strip of green stuff for the blind fold. Finally cut off the spear blade and glue it sideways to look like a scythe.
I am not very good at converting but even with my poor skills I think I could get a decent looking change. If you buy soul wars and the larger mini set you will have a full unit of Reapers and 8 stalkers. This will make the nighthaunt half fully match play compliant.
The stormcast side is more difficult. You would have to convert 2 Castigators into sequitors to balance the set. This would be a much more difficult conversion.
Stormcast side is actually pretty easy when you take into account that Greatmaces are an option rather than a mandatory thing.
Tempest of Souls gives you an additional 5 Sequitors, 2 of which are Primes.
Couple those 5 with the 8 from the starter set, you have 13.
The breakdown becomes:
2 Primes with Greatmaces
2 Primes with Mace+Shield
3 males with Mace+Shield
3 female with Mace+Shield
3 Greatmace equipped models
With Sequitors, this gives you the ability to make, with Primes having whatever you want them to have:
2 units with a Prime, 3x Mace+Shield, and 1x Greatmace each
2 units with a Prime, 4x Mace+Shield and 0 Greatmaces
1 unit with a Prime, 6x Mace+Shield and 3 Greatmaces
The reason it's so weird in this regard is the sprues they give you for the Stormcast:
Spoiler:
You end up with a similar set of circumstances when factoring in Castigators:
2 Castigator Primes
8 Castigators
This gives you 10, while a unit is sized at 3 with a Prime. Allows for you to do:
2 units of 3, with 2 regular Castigators leftover.
1 unit of 9 with 8 Castigators and a Prime--with a Prime leftover.
Adding in an Easy to Build set for the Castigators can let you do 2 units of 6 with a Prime leftover while giving you a third unit of 3 with 2 leftover.
Sequitors are much harder to utilize here but since they also look to be getting another option in the 10 man kit(the lantern sucking in souls), having so many Primes from Easy to Build/starter sets might not be a bad thing.
Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I don't remember the Lord Exorcist. Is he new, or did I just miss his announcement/release?
Nice to see they're doing a "get started" minirulebook for AOS. The 40k one has actually been pretty useful to me. Including what appears to be a unique Evocator is just icing on the cake. He'll be useful for building a Skirmish force.
Haha, agreed on both counts, was totally surprised to see him on their site and the minirulebook was really nice to see after I noticed before that the original one was on it's way out.
Hanskrampf wrote: Man, the updated AoS app is terrible.
Formatting is missing from a lot of Warscrolls, so no indication if an ability is working on keyword or unit name, tables are fethed, words missing, rules sometimes plain wrong.
My Ironguts now have 20" range with their melee attacks for example.
Every time they update the app it gets unstable. Right now it's horrifically so. I give credit for GW making a ton of improvements in the past year and a half but the functionality of the app has only gotten worse, if anything. I was using it today for a game and it crashed whenever I changed the filter from one to another, whenever I tried to search for a specific warscroll, and several times for no apparent reason. Warscrolls had issues with formatting cropping words out, weird stuff like grundstock thunderers using a warscroll almost a year out of date, not being able to find documents other than battletomes, and just general buggyness.
The new edition of the app seems to work entirely differently - it's more like v1 of a new app than v 3.whatever of the old one. So far, it seems to work OK for me, apart from some odd filtering options (filter on "Order" faction keyword (not alliance) and you get the free peoples artillery, for example). Mor annoying is the removal of Spireguard, Reavers and the High Warden from the Swifthawk Agents. I was in the middle of a game yesterday using the un-updated app on my iPad, when the battery died. I switched to my iPhone, and it whad updated the app; I had to do the last turn and try to remember the stats for my High Warden. :0
Ah, too bad you didn't check the AoS section then, I had a photo link of his warscroll there.
Black Coach could indeed be expensive, but at the same time it really depends where GW want to price it too. Whilst its big a lot of its bigness is through its shape of its parts, rather than having a huge amount of chunky material to it. That said I'd think it closer to something like the Blood Cauldron and thus in the £50 area. Unless I've missjudged its size I think £70 might be too steep.
DaveC wrote: Getting started with AoS is only €6.50 and it includes the Knight Incantor
The miniatures in Storm Strike are €48 on their own - should have waited
Us 40kers learned that lesson this time last year. The First Strike/Storm Strike boxes are a terrific deal for a small pickup, and the bigger Tempest of Souls (formerly Thunder and Blood) box is a great way to expand on your big starter set. I'm most excited for the new Getting Started mag coming with a sweet character figure instead of the old paint demo Liberator.
Weird that Reikenor is EtB but not really cheaper than the other chars or a similiar one like the Akhelian King. The starters are as expected after the 40k ones. I have the "problem" that I really want the skull faced bird right now for a conversion, same as the banshees BUT they're sold out locally, anyway. So I might wait or double dip. Happy that the magazine comes with a cool mini, at that price, why not.
The Dreadblades at 20€ are okay-ish. Better than 24, but it's still two dudes on horses that are only 75% there and almost cost as much as some cavalry unit kits. With online prices they're okay, though. I bought two KoS on horsies from ebay yesterday for 23€, if the pricing stays at 11,50 per KoS over time I'm not sure I'll buy those guys.
PS: I'm not surprised that GW has its machines running round the clock with massive realeases like this. I did not expect them to crank out the Stormcast and the Nighthaunt AND the sorcery stuff at the same time. I wonder if the Idoneth being so drawn out was down to some production hickup? If Rogue Trader comes out soon I'll be even more impressed.
Binabik15 wrote: Weird that Reikenor is EtB but not really cheaper than the other chars or a similiar one like the Akhelian King. The starters are as expected after the 40k ones. I have the "problem" that I really want the skull faced bird right now for a conversion, same as the banshees BUT they're sold out locally, anyway. So I might wait or double dip. Happy that the magazine comes with a cool mini, at that price, why not.
The Akhelian King isn't as big as you might think he is. The model gets some height from being situated on its 'hindquarters' effectively(deepmares have some weird biology...).
Reikenor is a fair bit larger than the Akhelian King is, at least from what I can tell. He's got a smaller base but it looks like that's just because he is situated on that statue. Add in that he's a named character and I would have expected him, as a non ETB, at around $50-$60USD vs the King's $40.
Solbright should, realistically, be $35 tops by herself but that scenic base is amazing.
The Dreadblades at 20€ are okay-ish. Better than 24, but it's still two dudes on horses that are only 75% there and almost cost as much as some cavalry unit kits. With online prices they're okay, though. I bought two KoS on horsies from ebay yesterday for 23€, if the pricing stays at 11,50 per KoS over time I'm not sure I'll buy those guys.
It's 2 heroes at 20E. Might sound silly, but that does kinda make a difference.
PS: I'm not surprised that GW has its machines running round the clock with massive realeases like this. I did not expect them to crank out the Stormcast and the Nighthaunt AND the sorcery stuff at the same time. I wonder if the Idoneth being so drawn out was down to some production hickup? If Rogue Trader comes out soon I'll be even more impressed.
There definitely were production hiccups and some of that seems to have made it onto the marketing side too. For example, the little art cards? Leviadon and Allopex got their cards in the wrong weeks.
And there's the 'mystery eel' that I mentioned a few days ago...leads a lot of the Idoneth players I've been talking with online to think there's a kit missing. I've been praying for a battle octopus. No rider, no nothing. Just an angry octopus swinging around clubs.
Technically the "first" starter. The last starter was that smaller version in 2017 that came with a terrain board that made a platform to fight on top of.
This is also the only way to get the Relictor. I was worried between the first starter going away and Nagash screwing around with the undead that all the Relictors(former necromancers that chose to follow Sigmar) would be gone barring conversions.
Binabik15 wrote: Weird that Reikenor is EtB but not really cheaper than the other chars or a similiar one like the Akhelian King. The starters are as expected after the 40k ones. I have the "problem" that I really want the skull faced bird right now for a conversion, same as the banshees BUT they're sold out locally, anyway. So I might wait or double dip. Happy that the magazine comes with a cool mini, at that price, why not.
The Akhelian King isn't as big as you might think he is. The model gets some height from being situated on its 'hindquarters' effectively(deepmares have some weird biology...).
Reikenor is a fair bit larger than the Akhelian King is, at least from what I can tell. He's got a smaller base but it looks like that's just because he is situated on that statue. Add in that he's a named character and I would have expected him, as a non ETB, at around $50-$60USD vs the King's $40.
Solbright should, realistically, be $35 tops by herself but that scenic base is amazing.
The Dreadblades at 20€ are okay-ish. Better than 24, but it's still two dudes on horses that are only 75% there and almost cost as much as some cavalry unit kits. With online prices they're okay, though. I bought two KoS on horsies from ebay yesterday for 23€, if the pricing stays at 11,50 per KoS over time I'm not sure I'll buy those guys.
It's 2 heroes at 20E. Might sound silly, but that does kinda make a difference.
PS: I'm not surprised that GW has its machines running round the clock with massive realeases like this. I did not expect them to crank out the Stormcast and the Nighthaunt AND the sorcery stuff at the same time. I wonder if the Idoneth being so drawn out was down to some production hickup? If Rogue Trader comes out soon I'll be even more impressed.
There definitely were production hiccups and some of that seems to have made it onto the marketing side too. For example, the little art cards? Leviadon and Allopex got their cards in the wrong weeks.
And there's the 'mystery eel' that I mentioned a few days ago...leads a lot of the Idoneth players I've been talking with online to think there's a kit missing. I've been praying for a battle octopus. No rider, no nothing. Just an angry octopus swinging around clubs.
Good points, but I'm more confused by the criteria GW uses to decide what will be EtB or not than the pricing (outside the horsemen, as I said, ebaying bigger, more elaborate dudes is easy right now) than outraged by pricing - after 30€ Primaris single sprue clampacks the Kings and Lady Olynder seem really decent in that category Surely the Craven King could've been EtB, too/instead from an engineering PoV? Or the alternative Lord Executioner. Olynder probably can't have those huge pegs on the rose bits, so she's out.
So you have to be a) part of a starter army, b) ??? and c) being a character helps in AoS but in 40k you better be a vehicle instead.
I hope the rumoured Moonclan Grotz and later the Darkoath have a huge release like this.
PS: Double dip on the Glaivewraiths and the ministarter, then put them on Hexwraith horses to replace the IMO ugly Hexwraiths? Hmh. Black Knights can only be allies for Nighthaunt, right? I really want that undead crusade...
Mysterio wrote: Anyone know what's in the Stormcast Thunderstrike Brotherhood?
Can't quite tell from the pic!
It’s the stormcast from the last starter.
Baron Klatz wrote:Technically the "first" starter. The last starter was that smaller version in 2017 that came with a terrain board that made a platform to fight on top of.
This is also the only way to get the Relictor. I was worried between the first starter going away and Nagash screwing around with the undead that all the Relictors(former necromancers that chose to follow Sigmar) would be gone barring conversions.
...and the list of actual models is...?
(And yes, I'm after that Relictor too - and not just because it is also one of my favorite Space Marine Chapters too - it's a really nice looking AoS model as well!)
Are those Easy to Build Nighthaunt kits made of gomd or what, the FLGS was out on Saturday (but had a lot of SC left) and the GW here is out, too, apparently. Every online store has it in stock, though. At this point I'm forced to order online or wait for the mini starter (with discount), it seems. I was trying to give you '"spontaneous purchase with the odd colour or two on top" money, GW!
And my nephews are visiting, so I could've given them the Wraiths and keep the little skullbird for myself
Banshees are going to be a slightly covert "top-tier" unit, that a few people I know have picked up on. I cleaned out our local store and still had to hit up Ebay (places like Miniatures Market also sold out), for my second full size unit.
In a magic-heavy edition, they're just sooooo good with the "full-sized-unit discount".
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Banshees are going to be a slightly covert "top-tier" unit, that a few people I know have picked up on. I cleaned out our local store and still had to hit up Ebay (places like Miniatures Market also sold out), for my second full size unit.
In a magic-heavy edition, they're just sooooo good with the "full-sized-unit discount".
And they can dispel endless spells! Take that, dreaded Semantics Phase!
They really do look both nice as minis and as in-game units. That unit size unbinding buff, plus fairly ferocious daggers.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Banshees are going to be a slightly covert "top-tier" unit, that a few people I know have picked up on. I cleaned out our local store and still had to hit up Ebay (places like Miniatures Market also sold out), for my second full size unit.
In a magic-heavy edition, they're just sooooo good with the "full-sized-unit discount".
And they can dispel endless spells! Take that, dreaded Semantics Phase!
They really do look both nice as minis and as in-game units. That unit size unbinding buff, plus fairly ferocious daggers.
- Salvage
Imo it's the rend that takes them from 'anti-magic elite infantry' to 'just take them' because rend in general is hard (too hard IMO) to come by and rend -2 is exceedingly rare. With the amount of 4+/3+ save Stormcast running around, and that they are a tough matchup for Nighthaunt anyways due to their mortal-spam potential, that makes high rend even more useful.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So... does anyone know the fate of all the scenery warscrolls we are missing? A bunch of generic stuff like the watch tower, chapel, etc are now missing and the dreadhold battletome was invalidated by errata with no replacement as far as I can see.
Quick question that the GW site didn't answer: is there a sort of work your way up campaign in the starter among all those books and booklets and leaflets? Like AoS1 or the even more helpful 40k ministarter had.
I'm mulling over getting the starter vs some more of the undead via ebay/proper unit kits to skip the weird mini-units that'd be left in the dust in matched play. An easy introduction for my nephew(s) might tip the balance.
Binabik15 wrote: Quick question that the GW site didn't answer: is there a sort of work your way up campaign in the starter among all those books and booklets and leaflets? Like AoS1 or the even more helpful 40k ministarter had.
I'm mulling over getting the starter vs some more of the undead via ebay/proper unit kits to skip the weird mini-units that'd be left in the dust in matched play. An easy introduction for my nephew(s) might tip the balance.
Annoyingly not in the big box, but I bet the new £20 one with the four easy to build will have one.
I'd have loved one in the big box, so that there was a nice route through the content. Rather than have to build everything in one mass.
I'm way more into small games these days.
Still, nothing to stop someone writing one I guess.
Binabik15 wrote: Quick question that the GW site didn't answer: is there a sort of work your way up campaign in the starter among all those books and booklets and leaflets? Like AoS1 or the even more helpful 40k ministarter had.
I'm mulling over getting the starter vs some more of the undead via ebay/proper unit kits to skip the weird mini-units that'd be left in the dust in matched play. An easy introduction for my nephew(s) might tip the balance.
Annoyingly not in the big box, but I bet the new £20 one with the four easy to build will have one.
I'd have loved one in the big box, so that there was a nice route through the content. Rather than have to build everything in one mass.
I'm way more into small games these days.
Still, nothing to stop someone writing one I guess.
Crap. The 40k ministarter has such a good booklet for a 7 year old to grasp the rules. The AoS one will verly linely have the same - but it's not even up for preorder yet. In a month their visit is long over.
Sigh. So I still don't know whether to buy the big starter or not.
Granted, I did swapsies to double up the Nighthaunt stuff, but lots in there.
The first Nighthaunt lot you get has absolutely mad value, because the characters included (bar the Lord Executioner) will likely be virtually included in every pure Nighthaunt list, ever. :-p The need for duplicates somewhat diminishes the value of further sets, in part because even two sets doesn't give you a proper min unit of Grimghast's.
The new stormcast are what are making me interested in this. Not sure why, as I hate regular stormcast (sigmarines!) but the new ones seem to have more character?
I just want to find out if I can have an army of just the new stuff, and not have the old staples like liberators etc.
ritualnet wrote: The new stormcast are what are making me interested in this. Not sure why, as I hate regular stormcast (sigmarines!) but the new ones seem to have more character?
I just want to find out if I can have an army of just the new stuff, and not have the old staples like liberators etc.
Yup, you can.
Sequitors become Battleline if you take a Lord-Arcanum(the guy on the Gryph-Charger in the box) as your General. That's the most important part when it comes down to it, everything else is gravy.
So I eagerly waited until midnight to purchase and download the digital editions of the respective new battletomes, only to see that they aren’t available through I-tunes. The link on the webstore, which used to send you to i-tunes, now sends you to the Warhammer Digital website and its an epub.
I know that digital White Dwarf is kaput, but has that extended to digital codex/battletomes as well? I’d think not, as the GHB and Core rules are there on I-tunes. Has any news broken on the fate of digital battletomes that I missed, or is it just not released yet on i-tunes? I’ll hit the sack and see whats up in the morning.
Kurgash wrote: Has there ever been talking of bringing the older battle tomes; Iron Jaws, Seraphon, Fyre Slayers, etc etc up to speed with revised books at all?
Without any new models to go with a new book, I'd imagine the older tomes will have to stick with GHB updates
I was about to go buy the Nighthaunts Battletome and the GW site says it's a flimsy 64 pages?! Half as big as the Idonth one? Is this a joke? Why is it half the pages for the same price.
I was about to go buy the Nighthaunts Battletome and the GW site says it's a flimsy 64 pages?! Half as big as the Idonth one? Is this a joke? Why is it half the pages for the same price.
Says 88 on the GW site. Still, half the size of the Stormcast one. They generally do a standard price (the Custodes dex cost me the same as a SM one which has a lot more pages).
Binabik15 wrote: Quick question that the GW site didn't answer: is there a sort of work your way up campaign in the starter among all those books and booklets and leaflets? Like AoS1 or the even more helpful 40k ministarter had.
I'm mulling over getting the starter vs some more of the undead via ebay/proper unit kits to skip the weird mini-units that'd be left in the dust in matched play. An easy introduction for my nephew(s) might tip the balance.
Annoyingly not in the big box, but I bet the new £20 one with the four easy to build will have one.
I'd have loved one in the big box, so that there was a nice route through the content. Rather than have to build everything in one mass.
I'm way more into small games these days.
Still, nothing to stop someone writing one I guess.
Crap. The 40k ministarter has such a good booklet for a 7 year old to grasp the rules. The AoS one will verly linely have the same - but it's not even up for preorder yet. In a month their visit is long over.
Sigh. So I still don't know whether to buy the big starter or not.
Anyway you could convert the first starter books you mentioned into Soulswar ones? Adjust the troops and scenarios to use the new starter set forces/books and build around that?
nels1031 wrote: So I eagerly waited until midnight to purchase and download the digital editions of the respective new battletomes, only to see that they aren’t available through I-tunes. The link on the webstore, which used to send you to i-tunes, now sends you to the Warhammer Digital website and its an epub.
I know that digital White Dwarf is kaput, but has that extended to digital codex/battletomes as well? I’d think not, as the GHB and Core rules are there on I-tunes. Has any news broken on the fate of digital battletomes that I missed, or is it just not released yet on i-tunes? I’ll hit the sack and see whats up in the morning.
Did you check the app? They generally sell all their stuff on there as well.
I was about to go buy the Nighthaunts Battletome and the GW site says it's a flimsy 64 pages?! Half as big as the Idonth one? Is this a joke? Why is it half the pages for the same price.
Says 88 on the GW site. Still, half the size of the Stormcast one. They generally do a standard price (the Custodes dex cost me the same as a SM one which has a lot more pages).
Oh, so now the german version is smaller too. This has happened from one year now, the spanish and italian version of codex and battletomes dont have fluff in them.
I was about to go buy the Nighthaunts Battletome and the GW site says it's a flimsy 64 pages?! Half as big as the Idonth one? Is this a joke? Why is it half the pages for the same price.
Says 88 on the GW site. Still, half the size of the Stormcast one. They generally do a standard price (the Custodes dex cost me the same as a SM one which has a lot more pages).
Oh, so now the german version is smaller too. This has happened from one year now, the spanish and italian version of codex and battletomes dont have fluff in them.
Saves on the cost of translation getting just the rules done would be cheaper I would guess.
Yeah, thats why they do it. Is a bigger problem how full of errors the translations are, and all the english terms. I have no problem with "Stormcast eternals" but when you leave "warriors of chaos" unstranlated.... Urgh.
ritualnet wrote: The new stormcast are what are making me interested in this. Not sure why, as I hate regular stormcast (sigmarines!) but the new ones seem to have more character?
Yeah, design of old ones was terrible. CCW that looked like tacticool machetes made in china, dumb looking hammers, bland design with no opportunities to break single dominant color (not even chest eagle or trim found on SM), everyone looking like a dull clone, terribly looking mounts. Now? Swords that actually look like swords, varied weapons that while over-designed don't make audience go 'HTF they use those?', various beasts look way better than at the start (especially lion-lizards), the army starts to actually feel like army, not hammer mob, and the clothing actually provides welcome breaks in monotony and opportunities to make models unique. Oh, and the first actually mixed gender units in WH (as in, not counting single sad token female ones) provide varied silhouettes and give the army greatly needed individuality in each model.
Speaking of which, is certain guy still claiming mixed gender units are "totally impossible, because the sprues are way too complicated for anyone to make, so girls should be kept out of the game"?
I guess my post was eaten by the web gods. I couldn't check in store because there was a Magic tourney and you basically had to hack your way through with a machete. They had no copies lying around, maybe the reserved copies were in the back and I DID have one reserved, but I'm not good with "oh, yeah, bring it to me and I might not even buy it after flicking through". So I didn't inquire further. Still a bit bummed, because they must have a ton of Nighthaunt stuff that was left out of the BT to be used in other publications if the book is so thin. Blergh.
Wussed out of getting the starter, too, but it was such a hectic day that I had trouble assembling the spirit hosts I bought; I guess I wouldn't even have the minis clipped from the sprues with kids bouncing around.
The 40k starter is nice because it has graphics and detailed examples of the roll you need for every step, which would be great for a reading beginner who is dyslexic. But the mini starter will arrive a some point and there's enough time to introduce them. But that getting started mag with a mini would've been really handy for a bday next week
Irbis wrote: Speaking of which, is certain guy still claiming mixed gender units are "totally impossible, because the sprues are way too complicated for anyone to make, so girls should be kept out of the game"?
Wait, someone actually said that? I thought that was one of those urban myths you hear about, like Slenderman, or Furbies…
Yeah that's crazy. I mean it's an actual thing for games like total war where the devs actually said that's too much variation for the engine but for models....wow.
I guess my post was eaten by the web gods. I couldn't check in store because there was a Magic tourney and you basically had to hack your way through with a machete.
Yeesh, just not your day. Hope things go smoother for you and the tykes take up interest in the hobby a bit.
Yeah, design of old ones was terrible.
I'm opposite, I liked the baroque armored Hoplite/Darksouls boss look better and though I'm collecting the Sacrosanct as specialized holy order knights I'm still focusing on the original chambers + the Vanguard. Very happy GW are continuing them as the mainline Azyr knights and even easier to get them with the new starter set that's the original starter's Stormcast force.
, bland design with no opportunities to break single dominant color (not even chest eagle or trim found on SM),
I’ve not build my Liberators or the bow guys whose names I forget, but the Lord Castellant is annoying with stupid seams running thru the shoulder pads and his feet not resting flat.
AduroT wrote: I’ve not build my Liberators or the bow guys whose names I forget, but the Lord Castellant is annoying with stupid seams running thru the shoulder pads and his feet not resting flat.
Nothing infuriates me more than joins along the shoulder pad.
ritualnet wrote: The new stormcast are what are making me interested in this. Not sure why, as I hate regular stormcast (sigmarines!) but the new ones seem to have more character?
Yeah, design of old ones was terrible. CCW that looked like tacticool machetes made in china, dumb looking hammers, bland design with no opportunities to break single dominant color (not even chest eagle or trim found on SM), everyone looking like a dull clone, terribly looking mounts. Now? Swords that actually look like swords, varied weapons that while over-designed don't make audience go 'HTF they use those?', various beasts look way better than at the start (especially lion-lizards), the army starts to actually feel like army, not hammer mob, and the clothing actually provides welcome breaks in monotony and opportunities to make models unique. Oh, and the first actually mixed gender units in WH (as in, not counting single sad token female ones) provide varied silhouettes and give the army greatly needed individuality in each model.
Speaking of which, is certain guy still claiming mixed gender units are "totally impossible, because the sprues are way too complicated for anyone to make, so girls should be kept out of the game"?
So the range is evolving like every gw range ever. Seriously most of your points are just strawmanning. I’m also looking forward to the hordes of young women who are about to descend on miniature wargaming.
I love the new female Stormcast. It shows that GW is listening, since people were asking about it literally since day one. Putting one on the cover of the 2.0 rulebook really sells the idea and their commitment to it. In fact, I hope they go back and redo the Liberators with some Femcast. Blacktalon and Brightshield are too cool to not make it into Liberators proper. I wouldn't mind some Femcast Prosecutors either - though mixed gender units may affect how customizible they are, since you'd need doubles of every option.
BUT... I don't think the new chapter of Stormcast are objectively better than the old stuff. Some of my favorite models come from the early stuff (Lord Relictor, Javelin Prosecutors, Celestant Prime). If people are liking the new designs more, I think it is probably because when the original Stormcast were announced, it came with a lot of baggage, and maybe over time, people have come to not look at Age of Sigmar or the Stormcast with the same disdain. It's not the models that have improved, it's the players' attitude.
BUT... I don't think the new chapter of Stormcast are objectively better than the old stuff. Some of my favorite models come from the early stuff (Lord Relictor, Javelin Prosecutors, Celestant Prime). If people are liking the new designs more, I think it is probably because when the original Stormcast were announced, it came with a lot of baggage, and maybe over time, people have come to not look at Age of Sigmar or the Stormcast with the same disdain. It's not the models that have improved, it's the players' attitude.
Speaking as someone who was on board with AoS and the Stormcast from the start, I do still find the Sacrosanct Chamber a significant improvement, Sequitors over Liberators especially (though I concur, some of the early heroes were awesome). The main things for me are the robes/tabards adding a much greater sense of motion and dynamism, and the less blocky weapons I just prefer aesthetically.
I also think the inclusion of the female models and the bare heads helps with adding some personality, as much as I liked the originals I did feel the initial offerings were rather samey and faceless.
What’s with this obsession with having mixed gender everything in a miniatures war game? It’s strikes me as the same phemona as women in the lead role in action or adventure movies. Both aren’t in the least compelling to me,as both seem so disconnected from anything that could be possible. Women aren’t soldiers or warriors, or generally heroic at all in that context. Seems a bit loopy to me, maybe someone could explain.
Dread Master wrote: What’s with this obsession with having mixed gender everything in a miniatures war game? It’s strikes me as the same phemona as women in the lead role in action or adventure movies. Both aren’t in the least compelling to me,as both seem so disconnected from anything that could be possible. Women aren’t soldiers or warriors, or generally heroic at all in that context. Seems a bit loopy to me, maybe someone could explain.
Jep, and that's where you wrong, right there after the question mark. Why wouldn't there be female warriors or heroes. History is full of them. You view is antiquated, discriminating and shameful for everyone
Dread Master wrote: What’s with this obsession with having mixed gender everything in a miniatures war game? It’s strikes me as the same phemona as women in the lead role in action or adventure movies. Both aren’t in the least compelling to me,as both seem so disconnected from anything that could be possible. Women aren’t soldiers or warriors, or generally heroic at all in that context. Seems a bit loopy to me, maybe someone could explain.
This is so much nonsense that it almost has to be trolling.
Dread Master wrote: What’s with this obsession with having mixed gender everything in a miniatures war game? It’s strikes me as the same phemona as women in the lead role in action or adventure movies. Both aren’t in the least compelling to me,as both seem so disconnected from anything that could be possible. Women aren’t soldiers or warriors, or generally heroic at all in that context. Seems a bit loopy to me, maybe someone could explain.
Jep, and that's where you wrong, right there after the question mark. Why wouldn't there be dermal warriors or heroes. History is full of them. You view is antiquated, discriminating and shameful for everyone
Catch yourself on and leave the identity politics out of the hobby please
Awesome looking models. Nighthaunt range is just amazing. Any idea on projected release dates for that lot? particularly looking at picking up that Black Coach
I wonder if they'll spread them out alternating with something else obviously Killteam is due on the 21st so no AoS that week (like this week is Bloodbowl).
It shouldn't be Nighthaunt, it's a classic vampire unit.
They did this with the Varghulf, giving him away the Flesh Eater Courts, they also did it with the Black Coach, which before AoS didn't have anything spectral about it (unless you count one of its levels).
It should at least be a unit in both, with a vampire in the LoN one and a powerful undead in the Nighthaunt one. Which is kind of what it is until you realise that the LoN one is worse in every way possible.
I hope they at least intend the LoN one to use the new model xD
But yeah...I miss proper Vampire Counts. I play Legion of Blood (not Soulblight because a) no neferata and b) it's SO much weaker) and that does the job somewhat but it pales in comparison with for example the 8th ed armybook for VC.
Here's hoping for a Soulblight battletome at some point, full of vampires who don't necessarily follow Nagash, have decent bloodlines and some cool new units! Maybe in a year or two.
I'm assuming 21st for kill team then either a one or two week window before the next round of nighthaunt based on how much time is needed for kill team distribution.
I wonder if they'll spread them out alternating with something else obviously Killteam is due on the 21st so no AoS that week (like this week is Bloodbowl).
Ughh the new stuff looks great. But I'm not getting any more until I have there respective half of the Soul Wars box painted up honest
Aren73 wrote: It shouldn't be Nighthaunt, it's a classic vampire unit.
They did this with the Varghulf, giving him away the Flesh Eater Courts, they also did it with the Black Coach, which before AoS didn't have anything spectral about it (unless you count one of its levels).
It should at least be a unit in both, with a vampire in the LoN one and a powerful undead in the Nighthaunt one. Which is kind of what it is until you realise that the LoN one is worse in every way possible.
I hope they at least intend the LoN one to use the new model xD
I assume you are meant to use the new model for the LoN one. I get it being Nighthaunt (it's driven by Nighthaunts) buuut it still has a vampire in it. Granted the fluff now says that it can be a powerful necromancer in there instead which is fine but I wish they had given it the Legion one the Soulblight keyword, at least.
But yeah...I miss proper Vampire Counts. I play Legion of Blood (not Soulblight because a) no neferata and b) it's SO much weaker) and that does the job somewhat but it pales in comparison with for example the 8th ed armybook for VC.
I think we all have stuff we miss from WHFB, it is what it is. At any rate Neffy & Manfreddy are part of the Soulblight allegiance; they have the keyword.
Here's hoping for a Soulblight battletome at some point, full of vampires who don't necessarily follow Nagash, have decent bloodlines and some cool new units! Maybe in a year or two.
Soulblight vampires all serve Nagash, it's the dominant type of vampire but not vampires as a whole. All Soulblight are vampires, not all vampires are Soulblight. At any rate I doubt a battletome but it would be nice to see their allegiance buffed to compensate for a very restrictive unit roster.
The main reason the Black Coach is Nighthaunt is that the trope of a big, ghostly carriage flying out of the darkness, driven by cackling spirits, very obviously belongs with the spooky ghost army. When the unit was first created for WHFB 5th Edition, they'd split generic "Undead" into gothic and Egyptian varieties for the first time so it fit naturally into the Vampire Counts half of the army. Now the factions have been refined still further - if they'd had a "just ghosts" army back then, the Black Coach might have ended up there. As it is, it's become associated with vampires.
aracersss wrote:Edit: ... that said the WD gave the impression more will be spread to august
Spoiler:
Is this classic White Dwarf gets it wrong once again? 3 ways to subscribe to White Dwarf. I thought they canceled WD online. Wonder if we can get a subscription and then turn it into GW increased credit. Then use that money to buy more Age of Sigmar product.
So I just noticed that the digital versions of all the battletomes I bought on ITunes got updated. I haven't gone over them with a fine-tooth comb, but they all seem to have updated warscrolls and points. The disciples of Tzeentch book has the new summoning rules in it.
It really does seem like now is the time to go digital especially as the digital battletomes are cheaper than physical ones, unlike novels.
Chikout wrote: So I just noticed that the digital versions of all the battletomes I bought on ITunes got updated. I haven't gone over them with a fine-tooth comb, but they all seem to have updated warscrolls and points. The disciples of Tzeentch book has the new summoning rules in it.
It really does seem like now is the time to go digital especially as the digital battletomes are cheaper than physical ones, unlike novels.
The Khorne one doesn't seem to have any warscrolls changes, just the points changes. I find it funny that Skullcrushers have gone UP 20pts in the tome when they're already terrible.
But yes I agree, digital seems better, but it still isn't quite the same as a physical book.
Going through the WD and I think I'll do my SC as dirtied up Hallowed Knights and a few Knights Excelsior allies. But ofc the WD doesn't tell us how either were painted by Paul Norton and the silver armour looks different from his Iron Ravens recipe earlier and the Warhammer TV version. Same with the Excelsiors. Crap
Binabik15 wrote: Going through the WD and I think I'll do my SC as dirtied up Hallowed Knights and a few Knights Excelsior allies. But ofc the WD doesn't tell us how either were painted by Paul Norton and the silver armour looks different from his Iron Ravens recipe earlier and the Warhammer TV version. Same with the Excelsiors. Crap
Gorbad! Oh, he was on my someday from eBay list, so I'm getting him. Hmm, I was planning on getting Kill Team and the Knights game, but one of those will have to wait until the fall now. I already have Setra and Khalida. If they ever re-release the plastic tomb kings kits, I will be broke.
You will probably be waiting a while for new Tomb Kings (if they ever even get redone). Fluff-wise, Nagash HATES the tomb kings. He is ok with their animated statues, but he HATES the Tomb Kings. And since Nagash is the one that is creating all of the Necromancy in the Mortal Realms, he will never bring them back because he HATES the Tomb Kings. As far as models go, they would need most of a whole new line. Compared to the Vampire Counts skeletons, their skeletons have giant heads. It's like having an army of Dia DeLos Muertes Pinatas. The skeletal horses they are doing now for Night Haunts are far better than the old skeleton horses. Also, many of the heroes were only available in resin. Now what I could see would be making Settra a Mortarch of Bandages or something like that, because before the Chaos Gods put Settra back together, Nagash owned him. They could even make a cool flying ghostly chariot for him. And just so you know, I am not a hater, I have a beautiful painted Tomb Kings army with converted Vampire Counts skeletons. But honestly, if it wasn't so pretty, I would have sold it to some Kings of War player by now. That is probably the only place you will find Tomb Kings.
I just love all the new stuff coming out. I wish I had more time an money for it. I am still busy with my Idoneth.
I know it is weird but I hate it when GW releases new stuff this fast
From the paunch, there's one that I never got around to buying, will have to pick one up.
Worryingly I have that necromancer on zombie dragon still new in box from when he was originally released, a sad reminder of how large the pile of shame is!
I keep repeating the old mantra of "I'm not buying anything else until I've painted what I have", and yet I'm already planning to order Settra and Khalida this weekend.
Binabik15 wrote: Going through the WD and I think I'll do my SC as dirtied up Hallowed Knights and a few Knights Excelsior allies. But ofc the WD doesn't tell us how either were painted by Paul Norton and the silver armour looks different from his Iron Ravens recipe earlier and the Warhammer TV version. Same with the Excelsiors. Crap
Ask him on twitter!
Sadly I don't have or want a Twitter account.
I managed to get Spikyjames' Sons of Guiliman scheme off it via Google last month, but no luck for the Norton stuff so far.
If anyone wants to do it for me I'll pretend to root for your fav WC team
Based on current size I'd have assumed and easy to build for $20 for 2. Considering size wise they are the same a the banshees and same point cost per unit with less models.
Granted, when I saw the entry and unit size I also expected them to be much larger and likely have a corresponding statline. In such case the box price would be reasonable.
I'm a huge fanboy of GW but that particular box is a dick move. Their on 32mm's for petes sake. They're forcing you to buy the character and what's worse it's just an alternative to the one in the starter. I'm hoping people don't buy it because then we'll see more of this kind of thing.
Smellingsalts wrote: Just put different heads on the other crawlockes and call them chainghasts, done
I'm not saying there aren't ways around it. I'm just saying it sucks because even if you do that you've only got a squad of 3 which is understrength. If they charged the current cost, added another model and left options to make the jailor a chainghast I'd be good with the pricing.
Hulksmash wrote: Based on current size I'd have assumed and easy to build for $20 for 2. Considering size wise they are the same a the banshees and same point cost per unit with less models.
Granted, when I saw the entry and unit size I also expected them to be much larger and likely have a corresponding statline. In such case the box price would be reasonable.
I'm a huge fanboy of GW but that particular box is a dick move. Their on 32mm's for petes sake. They're forcing you to buy the character and what's worse it's just an alternative to the one in the starter. I'm hoping people don't buy it because then we'll see more of this kind of thing.
Here's where I have to disagree. It's a good thing that they're releasing an alternative to the one in the starter. Remember that they're doing more starter sets all of which go up for preorder this week.
Spoiler:
This is a viable alternative to Soul Wars for someone getting into the game(not as good as Soul Wars--not even going to try to pretend so!), but given that it includes no Soul Torment and who knows how long it will be for the sprue featuring him and the Knight of Shrouds together, it's better that he's available with a unit that he has synergy with in one go.
I'm waiting for the smaller smaller box set named "breeze of souls" though they already missed the ball on calling the full starter "hurricane of souls".
Kan, I know it's hard for you to generally see anything GW does as wrong. But it's flat out a bad move. Because it forces people to pay extra for multiple characters if they want more than 2 chainghasts. That awesome "deal" on 3 models looks much worse when it's only really for 2 you're using. It'd be better if they done what they did with the Dracoline Evocators or the on foot Evocators. Made the option in the box to make the character or a normal dude. They didn't. So the value is only there on a first time buy for someone who didn't get the starter.
Hulksmash wrote: Kan, I know it's hard for you to generally see anything GW does as wrong. But it's flat out a bad move. Because it forces people to pay extra for multiple characters if they want more than 2 chainghasts. That awesome "deal" on 3 models looks much worse when it's only really for 2 you're using. It'd be better if they done what they did with the Dracoline Evocators or the on foot Evocators. Made the option in the box to make the character or a normal dude. They didn't. So the value is only there on a first time buy for someone who didn't get the starter.
Or for anyone who starts Nighthaunt via Path to Glory, since the Spirit Torment comes with the Chainghasts.
And really, if you're going to try to say that people are "only" going to use a single Spirit Torment--you're kidding yourself. That's a character who benefits greatly from buffs from his "minions".
Hulksmash wrote: Kan, I know it's hard for you to generally see anything GW does as wrong. But it's flat out a bad move. Because it forces people to pay extra for multiple characters if they want more than 2 chainghasts. That awesome "deal" on 3 models looks much worse when it's only really for 2 you're using. It'd be better if they done what they did with the Dracoline Evocators or the on foot Evocators. Made the option in the box to make the character or a normal dude. They didn't. So the value is only there on a first time buy for someone who didn't get the starter.
Or for anyone who starts Nighthaunt via Path to Glory, since the Spirit Torment comes with the Chainghasts.
And really, if you're going to try to say that people are "only" going to use a single Spirit Torment--you're kidding yourself. That's a character who benefits greatly from buffs from his "minions".
It's funny because the alternative isn't an individually boxed Torment; it's having no separate Torment at all. Last I checked there's still no individual Relictor or Bloodsecrator boxes. Besides, there will be a healthy ebay market for both Torments and Chainghasts individually. Hulk is just complaining about something because it isn't perfect when really it should be encouraged as a move in the right direction with the criticism as a caveat--to simply say it's bad is to tell GW to go back to the Relictor approach.
Hulksmash wrote: Kan, I know it's hard for you to generally see anything GW does as wrong. But it's flat out a bad move. Because it forces people to pay extra for multiple characters if they want more than 2 chainghasts. That awesome "deal" on 3 models looks much worse when it's only really for 2 you're using. It'd be better if they done what they did with the Dracoline Evocators or the on foot Evocators. Made the option in the box to make the character or a normal dude. They didn't. So the value is only there on a first time buy for someone who didn't get the starter.
Or for anyone who starts Nighthaunt via Path to Glory, since the Spirit Torment comes with the Chainghasts.
And really, if you're going to try to say that people are "only" going to use a single Spirit Torment--you're kidding yourself. That's a character who benefits greatly from buffs from his "minions".
It's funny because the alternative isn't an individually boxed Torment; it's having no separate Torment at all. Last I checked there's still no individual Relictor or Bloodsecrator boxes. Besides, there will be a healthy ebay market for both Torments and Chainghasts individually. Hulk is just complaining about something because it isn't perfect when really it should be encouraged as a move in the right direction with the criticism as a caveat--to simply say it's bad is to tell GW to go back to the Relictor approach.
Nope, not complaining it's not perfect. Advising that it's a poor packaging decision for the cost isn't complaining. Pointing out that they are testing 2 different methods and that this method is the worse of the two feels like an ok position to take. Also swiping at people that you have on ignore is genearly poor form
Hulksmash wrote: Kan, I know it's hard for you to generally see anything GW does as wrong. But it's flat out a bad move. Because it forces people to pay extra for multiple characters if they want more than 2 chainghasts. That awesome "deal" on 3 models looks much worse when it's only really for 2 you're using. It'd be better if they done what they did with the Dracoline Evocators or the on foot Evocators. Made the option in the box to make the character or a normal dude. They didn't. So the value is only there on a first time buy for someone who didn't get the starter.
Or for anyone who starts Nighthaunt via Path to Glory, since the Spirit Torment comes with the Chainghasts.
And really, if you're going to try to say that people are "only" going to use a single Spirit Torment--you're kidding yourself. That's a character who benefits greatly from buffs from his "minions".
It's funny because the alternative isn't an individually boxed Torment; it's having no separate Torment at all. Last I checked there's still no individual Relictor or Bloodsecrator boxes. Besides, there will be a healthy ebay market for both Torments and Chainghasts individually. Hulk is just complaining about something because it isn't perfect when really it should be encouraged as a move in the right direction with the criticism as a caveat--to simply say it's bad is to tell GW to go back to the Relictor approach.
Nope, not complaining it's not perfect. Advising that it's a poor packaging decision for the cost isn't complaining. Pointing out that they are testing 2 different methods and that this method is the worse of the two feels like an ok position to take. Also swiping at people that you have on ignore is genearly poor form
The saying goes "treat others as you want to be treated" so I figured poor form and impolite jabs were how you wanted responses
Okay guys, stop the bickering. It's not getting anyone anywhere.
I'm personally neutral on it because, as has been pointed out, my second Relictor comes with more models attached. To which I personally can't see a bad thing to have more great models I get to grow my forces with or use for kitbashes.
But I also get Hulksmash's complaint too on wanting a cheap single model. To that request your best bet is just to either waiting for a Ebay sale or hoping a battleforce appears in December that gives you much more value for the price.
I'm hoping people don't buy it because then we'll see more of this kind of thing.
Well you know that's a vain hope. Kanluwen already pointed out the competitive crowd's gonna want him in bulk anyway.
Don't give up hope though, this is just profiting on the early competitive hype. When things settle down you'll likely get your wish as GW divide up the kits more to grab those who were waiting for it.
It's already plentiful on ebay for less than $20 including shipping; I suspect anyone wanting to run multiples without chainghasts will go there. Selling it individually would probably capitalize on the short-term spam crowd more than having it boxed with the chainghasts; I think it's more that if you are running the chainghasts you will be including a torment while the reverse isn't always true. Thus if one wants just a torment they can hit up ebay or someone who bought a starter but is willing to sell/trade it off, while if they want both they can buy the mixed box. In a perfect world they would each be available separately, hopefully they will get the idea of 'having this box separate from the starter is good, but it would be better if...'
I don't think "It's plentiful on eBay already!" is really a solution. If the only way to get more of a miniature is either with a character you already have or on eBay it's not the best release.
NinthMusketeer wrote: The saying goes "treat others as you want to be treated" so I figured poor form and impolite jabs were how you wanted responses
H.B.M.C. wrote: I don't think "It's plentiful on eBay already!" is really a solution. If the only way to get more of a miniature is either with a character you already have or on eBay it's not the best release.
I agree; what I meant was that doing the boxing the way they did didn't capitalize on people buying up a bunch of them, because said people will go on ebay.
NinthMusketeer wrote: The saying goes "treat others as you want to be treated" so I figured poor form and impolite jabs were how you wanted responses
But that's how you respond to everyone, so...
Objectively untrue. But given that I generally treat you the same way you treat others I can see why you'd think so.
I was interested in getting a large amount of Chainghasts because I had some interesting ideas but I guess not because I don't particularly want 8 Spirit torments..
If it was a pack of 5 then it would be fine.
But I don't want 2 spirit torments per full squad of chainghasts...
Jacob29 wrote: The boxed set is completely backwards imo.
I was interested in getting a large amount of Chainghasts because I had some interesting ideas but I guess not because I don't particularly want 8 Spirit torments..
If it was a pack of 5 then it would be fine.
But I don't want 2 spirit torments per full squad of chainghasts...
The box set isn't for people that want to make competitive lists. They are there for new players and hobbyists that want some cool new toys.
You want some Chainghasts? Wait for the box of them to be released
Jacob29 wrote: The boxed set is completely backwards imo.
I was interested in getting a large amount of Chainghasts because I had some interesting ideas but I guess not because I don't particularly want 8 Spirit torments..
If it was a pack of 5 then it would be fine.
But I don't want 2 spirit torments per full squad of chainghasts...
I agree that the box set is not ideal. I noticed that the grimghast reapers have a similar torso with the same kind of collar. You could probably do some pretty decent conversions with the four Reapers in the soul wars box.
Jacob29 wrote: The boxed set is completely backwards imo.
I was interested in getting a large amount of Chainghasts because I had some interesting ideas but I guess not because I don't particularly want 8 Spirit torments..
If it was a pack of 5 then it would be fine.
But I don't want 2 spirit torments per full squad of chainghasts...
The box set isn't for people that want to make competitive lists. They are there for new players and hobbyists that want some cool new toys.
You want some Chainghasts? Wait for the box of them to be released
Who said it was a competitive list? It was just a fun list I wanted to try. I have no idea if it's good or not. Also not really sure how you can prove it is for new players?
And which new box will that be? because I asked a page ago if anyone had seen any other models of these and the answer was NO.
So as far as I can tell GW have no plan to release them separately. And why would they when they have a box of them already? albeit annoyingly with a model you don't really want.
Much like your insistence that I'm negative about everything GW does, complain about everything, and never have anything good to say about GW products.
Much like your insistence that I'm negative about everything GW does, complain about everything, and never have anything good to say about GW products.
Much like your insistence that I'm negative about everything GW does, complain about everything, and never have anything good to say about GW products.
Much like your insistence that I'm negative about everything GW does, complain about everything, and never have anything good to say about GW products.
So there's that.
Oh, just kiss already!
I gave up on rule #1 applying to those two a long time ago, thus the snark.
Baron Klatz wrote: Okay guys, stop the bickering. It's not getting anyone anywhere.
I'm personally neutral on it because, as has been pointed out, my second Relictor comes with more models attached. To which I personally can't see a bad thing to have more great models I get to grow my forces with or use for kitbashes.
But I also get Hulksmash's complaint too on wanting a cheap single model. To that request your best bet is just to either waiting for a Ebay sale or hoping a battleforce appears in December that gives you much more value for the price.
I'm hoping people don't buy it because then we'll see more of this kind of thing.
Well you know that's a vain hope. Kanluwen already pointed out the competitive crowd's gonna want him in bulk anyway.
Don't give up hope though, this is just profiting on the early competitive hype. When things settle down you'll likely get your wish as GW divide up the kits more to grab those who were waiting for it.
Oddly, I think most people aren't actually reading what I'm saying. I'm not asking for a cheap single model. I'm pointing out how the set-up is poor for people wanting the actual unit. I'll try this one more time because I think the actual issue I'm pointing out is being missed.
Evocators & Dracoline Evocators come in minimum unit sets but have the options to build characters (invocators on foot or on dracoline)
Chainghasts come in a box that has minimum size unit and character.
This will give gw marketing information. We already know they price their characters high in comparison to units (some say insanely so I personally just find it a bit much generally). So what we have is two (winning for gw) options. One is the releasing a full unit with an option to build the character but priced as just the unit cost and the other is a unit with a character priced like a unit with a character. One is a much worse long running set up for consumers than the other.
Additionally I'm party of the competitive crowd and 1 torment is pretty much all you need. There are a lot of other good characters that can be had for the army for the same points let alone allying in your friendly vamp friends for regening units
@Ninth
I was merely pointing out that if you have me on ignore like you stated in another thread the swipe is generally frowned upon because you can't see responses. Since you're responding you either don't or just can't help yourself. Either one I'm good with
Jacob29 wrote: The boxed set is completely backwards imo.
I was interested in getting a large amount of Chainghasts because I had some interesting ideas but I guess not because I don't particularly want 8 Spirit torments..
If it was a pack of 5 then it would be fine.
But I don't want 2 spirit torments per full squad of chainghasts...
I agree that the box set is not ideal. I noticed that the grimghast reapers have a similar torso with the same kind of collar. You could probably do some pretty decent conversions with the four Reapers in the soul wars box.
This is what I'm doing as well. The grimghast reapers even come with chains and bells so it'll be fairly easy. It's not the models for me. It's the possibility of sneaking a yucky pricing model down the line that they are obviously testing.
Baron Klatz wrote: Okay guys, stop the bickering. It's not getting anyone anywhere.
I'm personally neutral on it because, as has been pointed out, my second Relictor comes with more models attached. To which I personally can't see a bad thing to have more great models I get to grow my forces with or use for kitbashes.
But I also get Hulksmash's complaint too on wanting a cheap single model. To that request your best bet is just to either waiting for a Ebay sale or hoping a battleforce appears in December that gives you much more value for the price.
I'm hoping people don't buy it because then we'll see more of this kind of thing.
Well you know that's a vain hope. Kanluwen already pointed out the competitive crowd's gonna want him in bulk anyway.
Don't give up hope though, this is just profiting on the early competitive hype. When things settle down you'll likely get your wish as GW divide up the kits more to grab those who were waiting for it.
Oddly, I think most people aren't actually reading what I'm saying. I'm not asking for a cheap single model. I'm pointing out how the set-up is poor for people wanting the actual unit. I'll try this one more time because I think the actual issue I'm pointing out is being missed.
You're right, I totally misinterpreted. I agree it would be better to have a setup with 3 chainghasts with one potentially built as a character (if I get you correctly).
@Ninth
I was merely pointing out that if you have me on ignore like you stated in another thread the swipe is generally frowned upon because you can't see responses. Since you're responding you either don't or just can't help yourself. Either one I'm good with
If I address you specifically I will check the next few posts to see if you are responding to me specifically. It would be a dick move otherwise.
No worries, you now have it correctly. It's more of a long term purchase option. It's great for people starting but if they want say 2 units of 4 chainghasts then it turns to a poor purchase option. Where they could have just done the same as the others and allowed a character to be built in the box but not a solo option in the box
No worries, you now have it correctly. It's more of a long term purchase option. It's great for people starting but if they want say 2 units of 4 chainghasts then it turns to a poor purchase option. Where they could have just done the same as the others and allowed a character to be built in the box but not a solo option in the box
And then you'd be complaining about a unit with 2 to 4 as option having a box of 3, with the character being bloat.
If you're taking Chainghasts, you're taking Spirit Torments.You might not be loading up on a whole bunch of Torments certainly--but let's just call this what it is. It's a box with the unit that synergizes with a specific hero, all in one spot.
No worries, you now have it correctly. It's more of a long term purchase option. It's great for people starting but if they want say 2 units of 4 chainghasts then it turns to a poor purchase option. Where they could have just done the same as the others and allowed a character to be built in the box but not a solo option in the box
And then you'd be complaining about a unit with 2 to 4 as option having a box of 3, with the character being bloat.
If you're taking Chainghasts, you're taking Spirit Torments.You might not be loading up on a whole bunch of Torments certainly--but let's just call this what it is. It's a box with the unit that synergizes with a specific hero, all in one spot.
Jeebus...I should know better with you because walls tend to shift more in understanding what others are saying. I laid it out as easily as possible. You don't understand the issue and that's fine. I'll let it go if you do.
@Mad Doc
It's not. But like most other options "convert it" isn't really a customer friendly answer. A lot of us will. I'd bet most players wouldn't. Like I said, you can already do it with the Grimghast Reapers box if you're cool with bells instead of padlocks
The box has a bad ratio of torments vs ghasts, especially with all the extra torments on the market because they're in the starter set. End of story.
Torments "on the market" means diddly--and it sure as hell likely isn't factoring into how GW plans to package items. Not everybody is going to ebay or secondary market.
It's a 1 Torment to the minimum size of a unit of Ghasts. Buying two boxes gets you two Torments to two units of Ghasts or two Torments to one larger sized unit of Ghasts. Since unit coherency really matters now and they're Heroes that don't get to split and deploy multiples on the board, it's better to have units of two with Torments to bolster them.
No worries, you now have it correctly. It's more of a long term purchase option. It's great for people starting but if they want say 2 units of 4 chainghasts then it turns to a poor purchase option. Where they could have just done the same as the others and allowed a character to be built in the box but not a solo option in the box
And then you'd be complaining about a unit with 2 to 4 as option having a box of 3, with the character being bloat.
If you're taking Chainghasts, you're taking Spirit Torments.You might not be loading up on a whole bunch of Torments certainly--but let's just call this what it is. It's a box with the unit that synergizes with a specific hero, all in one spot.
Jeebus...I should know better with you because walls tend to shift more in understanding what others are saying. I laid it out as easily as possible. You don't understand the issue and that's fine. I'll let it go if you do.
You really didn't "lay it out as easily as possible". You simply said it's bad and then listed some reasons why you think it's bad.
I get the issue. The Torment is a Hero that you think are artificially inflating the box's price and you think that the box should be priced similarly to two items that Stormcast are getting. There's no guarantee, sadly, that the Torment being 'optional' would reduce the price on the box.
What a wonderful note to get from a witch elf, well ignoring the threat of a gruesome death of course... but yeah, witch elves right.
As much as I don't care for Slaanesh (never have) I'm really eager to see his/hers update, its been a long time coming and GW have
done a pretty great job so far with the other three chaos gods in the Age of Sigmar setting. Now lets see if GW can temp me with
a Slannesh release at last.
Nooo I thought I had months and months of safe releases to build my Witch Aelf army - I can't suffer a huge Slaanesh release alongside! (unless there's a starter box with both forces in it with some big discount on witch aelves cause then I'll just cave in totally )
MothCult wrote: As much as I don't care for Slaanesh (never have)...
Aww, don't worry. Slaanesh still cares for you.
Overread wrote: Nooo I thought I had months and months of safe releases to build my Witch Aelf army - I can't suffer a huge Slaanesh release alongside! (unless there's a starter box with both forces in it with some big discount on witch aelves cause then I'll just cave in totally )
As much as I'd like to see the Slaanesh release, supposedly it's still some months off. And that's not even counting the possibility that 40k Slaanesh gets released before AoS Slaanesh.
The box has a bad ratio of torments vs ghasts, especially with all the extra torments on the market because they're in the starter set. End of story.
Torments "on the market" means diddly--and it sure as hell likely isn't factoring into how GW plans to package items. Not everybody is going to ebay or secondary market.
It's a 1 Torment to the minimum size of a unit of Ghasts. Buying two boxes gets you two Torments to two units of Ghasts or two Torments to one larger sized unit of Ghasts. Since unit coherency really matters now and they're Heroes that don't get to split and deploy multiples on the board, it's better to have units of two with Torments to bolster them.
It really isn't.
Past the point of two torments, purely for having more of them around so they don't get sniped there is very little reason to get multiple.
The reason why is actually because of Chainghasts rules of boosting the AoE.
you don't need loads because Chainghasts do it for them.
So get 2, keep em at the back just within 12" of Chainghasts and let them bounce the bubble.
If you want 16 chainghasts like I do, enjoy your 8 torments, 6 of which are completely useless.
Ah, Slaanesh. All the innuendo, none of the guilt!
And if you do feel guilty, feel it as much as you can! All in excess!
But I do hope this is something new for Slaanesh, like the usual daemon stuff we'd sooner or later get it for 40k as well for double Slaanesh.
If its like the other Chaos God releases then we can expect, at the very least, a new Keeper of Secrets kit; likely twinned with a hero alternative in the box and/or a variation built on a new monster in there too. In addition a new beast of slaanesh update (the old one is still neat but its down to 1 variation and in finecast). Ontop of that I'd wager we "might" see the basic troops updated (although GW hasn't been doing that as much as of late).
I'd personally like to see the chariot updated too; esp for 40K it just seems so backward/wrong in the 40K setting. Even in fantasy for such a huge model its rather lackluster as its main feature is "huge long plastic whips that will break if you look at them wrong*"
A new model/beast or such would be neat too. Always felt that Slaanesh would be a great god to give them another ranged type unit as demons are typically very under-supported in terms of ranged units (esp those that look like ranged units so not counting spells thrown by horrors).
(Granted this isn't as bad as Daughters of Khaine Khinerai which break if you so much as think of them wrong!
MothCult wrote: What a wonderful note to get from a witch elf, well ignoring the threat of a gruesome death of course... but yeah, witch elves right.
As much as I don't care for Slaanesh (never have) I'm really eager to see his/hers update, its been a long time coming and GW have
done a pretty great job so far with the other three chaos gods in the Age of Sigmar setting. Now lets see if GW can temp me with
a Slannesh release at last.
*crosses arms*
Well, I'm waiting.
There is a quite a fun one in the new rule book - its a Freeguild soldier fighting alongside the DofK and he is mooning over them after seeing them in the arena etc etc, then he sees them slicing and dicing the Orcks. One gets knocked down and he goes to her assistance, she smiles at him as he helps her up, then stabs him to death
I imagine Slaanesh will be used to herald 2019 like Nurgle did this year and Tzeentch before that. Probably will also kick off the aelven plot as Soul Wars concludes.
Biggest question, which got pointed out on it's respected thread, what's gonna happen to ShadeSpire (a city full of trapped souls and floating next to Slaanesh's prison) when Slaanesh breaks free? I imagine it's gonna be quite hungry after centuries of getting it's stomach pumped...
MothCult wrote: What a wonderful note to get from a witch elf, well ignoring the threat of a gruesome death of course... but yeah, witch elves right.
As much as I don't care for Slaanesh (never have) I'm really eager to see his/hers update, its been a long time coming and GW have
done a pretty great job so far with the other three chaos gods in the Age of Sigmar setting. Now lets see if GW can temp me with
a Slannesh release at last.
*crosses arms*
Well, I'm waiting.
There is a quite a fun one in the new rule book - its a Freeguild soldier fighting alongside the DofK and he is mooning over them after seeing them in the arena etc etc, then he sees them slicing and dicing the Orcks. One gets knocked down and he goes to her assistance, she smiles at him as he helps her up, then stabs him to death
That's a pity but predictable, he made contact with a berserker in the midst of their blood rage. Safer to feed a squig by hand which is covered in gravy.
Oddly, I think most people aren't actually reading what I'm saying.
Yeah, sorry man, I completely misinterpreted what you were saying too.
There is a quite a fun one in the new rule book - its a Freeguild soldier fighting alongside the DofK and he is mooning over them after seeing them in the arena etc etc, then he sees them slicing and dicing the Orcks. One gets knocked down and he goes to her assistance, she smiles at him as he helps her up, then stabs him to death
That's a pity but predictable, he made contact with a berserker in the midst of their blood rage. Safer to feed a squig by hand which is covered in gravy.
Honestly my impression is that Witch Aelves are not berserker's, instead I think they walk as close to the edge of pure joy and ecstasy in battle as you can get without falling to Slaanesh. They train endlessly for battle and revel in it when engaged showing perfect body control to dance their wild bloody dance for their god. They also see prowess in battle almost akin to an ork in that whoever wins is the greater and that is the goal (or at least one of them). So I'd say when they turn on allies is not so much a berserker madness that hazes their perception, but rather that they are fully within their element, living exactly as they have trained and desired and built their life up to this moment and within that moment martial prowess and fighting are key.
Chances are its only continual training that prevents them falling into fighting each other, that training side by side allows them to focus upon the enemy so that even though they've lost all rank and file, they can still work as a single force. Of course allies don't train side by side with Witch Aelves in the temples, thus in battle, when the rapture of fighting is upon a Witch Aelf, they are as deadly to allies as they are to their foes.
Such empty sprues for the Craven King while the ETB ones are stuffed close to bursting. Looks like a missed opportunity to give alternate heads and trappings for his heralds or more ghosts to swirl around him. At online discount prices everything new is tempting this week, but I don't know how to expand my ~1000 points of Nighthaunt yet. My starter arrived just an hour ago, I can't preorder more right away Especially after buying a box of Grimghasts yesterday.
If the rumoured Slaanesh stuff and the Grotz are as well done...have mercy. But my 6th ed Orc pieates might need a few new Gobbo friends. Or squigs?!
If Grotbag Scuttlers are anything like what I expect I'll be jumping on them for sure. A whole reboot for Grots in general would be great. Maybe like Legions of Nagash where there are multiple allegiances in the same book, just make them actual faction allegiances rather than free upgrades for no restriction (seriously generic Death allegiance may as well not exist anymore; Legions include nearly everything anyways).
Listening to Callis & Toll: The Silver Shard audiobook while I paint the Chompyface Endless Spell.
Half way in and its been absolute fun. Currently just finished listening to some Scourge Privateers doing some monster hunting while they escort the titular characters to a trading port seemingly run by Kharadron Overlords. Its going to be interesting to see(hopefully) the Scourge Privateers interact with the KO.
nels1031 wrote: Listening to Callis & Toll: The Silver Shard audiobook while I paint the Chompyface Endless Spell.
Half way in and its been absolute fun. Currently just finished listening to some Scourge Privateers doing some monster hunting while they escort the titular characters to a trading port seemingly run by Kharadron Overlords. Its going to be interesting to see(hopefully) the Scourge Privateers interact with the KO.
Ahhh didn't even realise that was out, awesome!
That sounds like it would be an interesting interaction indeed.
Aventis Firestrike, Grand Magister of Hammerhal/ Lord-Arcanum on Tauralon (Lord Arcanum can be built on foot if you build Aventis)
Stormcast Eternals Sequitors
Black Coach
Chainrasps (Soul Wars push fit kit sold separately)
Every time I see that Tauralon model I keep hoping that GW revises some of the other mounts in the game - I'd really love to see the new sculpting team do some cold-ones (er draks) and heck give Daughters' of Khaine (or at least dark elves alliance block) some new awesome mounts (and yes I'm aware that one can already take some awesome eels and a huge turtle and a freaking shark)
AegisGrimm wrote: I dunno, I think the Dark Elf Cold Ones are some of the best looking mounts GW has made, even as old as they are.
They are good models don't get me wrong - but the poses are far less dynamic than some of the newer mounts. I also want to see GW introduce more mount/beast species for other factions. They've made a lot of noise in Sigmar about big monsters and beasts roaming the lands and its clear that they want to push Sigmar as being far more modern high-fantasy in terms of beasts and monsters and fantasy elements; whilst original Fantasy was actually fairly "low fantasy" in many respects (esp going back to its roots). Old High Elves were mostly spearmen, archers, bolt throwers, one dragon and a unicorn or two here and there. We saw changes near the end of fantasy with things like the deer riders - but Sigmar has really opened this up even more.
AegisGrimm wrote: I dunno, I think the Dark Elf Cold Ones are some of the best looking mounts GW has made, even as old as they are.
Dorghar the horse says hello.
But seriously now, all this mess with uber-magical beasts and what not makes me wish severely for new models on actual horses.
Edit: or at least mounts that don't have the "here's a hyper magical beast on steroids we've just pulled out of our behinds with no actual connection to the world and lore and no range continuity and signature feel" air around them. Cold ones are cool though, and have (or rather had ) a special place in the dark elf range.
Aventis Firestrike, Grand Magister of Hammerhal/ Lord-Arcanum on Tauralon (Lord Arcanum can be built on foot if you build Aventis)
Stormcast Eternals Sequitors
Black Coach
Chainrasps (Soul Wars push fit kit sold separately)
I really didn't expect to see Chainrasps this quickly!
I'm still just waiting for the extra pack of dracoline riders :/. People didn't believe me at how long this release was going to stretch....well they do now. People claimed this was going to take up the whole month of June and that they would put off the 40k stuff. NOPE.
so that leaves ... 2 units for nighthaunt & 1 unit for groundamarines, as well as 1 hero missing for each.
... if we are lucky that's one week and we are done with it ... we need ork leaks direly af
aracersss wrote: so that leaves ... 2 units for nighthaunt & 1 unit for groundamarines, as well as 1 hero missing for each.
... if we are lucky that's one week and we are done with it ... we need ork leaks direly af
Nighthaunt will still be missing the following outside of the Soul Wars box
Knight of Shrouds on Ethereal Steed
Guardian of Souls
Lord Executioner
Bladegheist Revenants
Dreadscythe Harridans
Nighthaunt will still be missing the following outside of the Soul Wars box
Knight of Shrouds on Ethereal Steed
Guardian of Souls
Lord Executioner
Bladegheist Revenants
Dreadscythe Harridans
the only reason they took the core out of the starter set was for the sake of giving an option to customers outside of paying full price just for core ... the rest might get individual blisters, but idk
,,, the executioner is getting a new different model so that's probably it for the one in soul wars, and the one with the lamp is getting a new one for store anniversaries
Nighthaunt will still be missing the following outside of the Soul Wars box
Knight of Shrouds on Ethereal Steed Guardian of Souls Lord Executioner Bladegheist Revenants Dreadscythe Harridans
the only reason they took the core out of the starter set was for the sake of giving an option to customers outside of paying full price just for core ... the rest might get individual blisters, but idk ,,, the executioner is getting a new different model so that's probably it for the one in soul wars, and the one with the lamp is getting a new one for store anniversaries
The Knight of Shrouds, Guardian of Souls, and Spirit Torment are all on the same frame. The Chainrasp Hordes are also on their own unique frame.
It wouldn't be unheard of for them to release the frame by itself as they did for Vandus Hammerhand and Khul and the Bloodsecrator. Hell, I'm actually expecting the Start Collecting set for Nighthaunts to include that frame and the Chainrasps.
AegisGrimm wrote: I dunno, I think the Dark Elf Cold Ones are some of the best looking mounts GW has made, even as old as they are.
They are good models don't get me wrong - but the poses are far less dynamic than some of the newer mounts. I also want to see GW introduce more mount/beast species for other factions. They've made a lot of noise in Sigmar about big monsters and beasts roaming the lands and its clear that they want to push Sigmar as being far more modern high-fantasy in terms of beasts and monsters and fantasy elements; whilst original Fantasy was actually fairly "low fantasy" in many respects (esp going back to its roots). Old High Elves were mostly spearmen, archers, bolt throwers, one dragon and a unicorn or two here and there. We saw changes near the end of fantasy with things like the deer riders - but Sigmar has really opened this up even more.
But Saurus Knight cold ones are so awesome looking!!
AegisGrimm wrote: I dunno, I think the Dark Elf Cold Ones are some of the best looking mounts GW has made, even as old as they are.
They are good models don't get me wrong - but the poses are far less dynamic than some of the newer mounts. I also want to see GW introduce more mount/beast species for other factions. They've made a lot of noise in Sigmar about big monsters and beasts roaming the lands and its clear that they want to push Sigmar as being far more modern high-fantasy in terms of beasts and monsters and fantasy elements; whilst original Fantasy was actually fairly "low fantasy" in many respects (esp going back to its roots). Old High Elves were mostly spearmen, archers, bolt throwers, one dragon and a unicorn or two here and there. We saw changes near the end of fantasy with things like the deer riders - but Sigmar has really opened this up even more.
But Saurus Knight cold ones are so awesome looking!!
The Saurus Knight mounts really need to be rejigged--the riders too, I think.
Will be interesting to see how the chainrasp are priced. I lapped up a ton of them on eBay prelaunch at around £14 per 20 posted and now own 160 of them.
The horde army that negates the big issue hordes have: blocking each other.
Not to mention bravery 10 and unmodifued save 5+. I've already played a couple of games where 80 of them just materialise , one or both get lucky with a 10+ charge and carnage ensues.
Both listed on the same FAQ page under the Malign Sorcery book. It confirms things like the Pendulum only moves in one direction (it can't go backwards) and that you can't use the portals to boost the range of an endless spell.
I was expecting $50 for the Chainrasps, so $40 looks good to me if it is for 20 models.
I believe it is ten models as per the Warhammer Community article posted yesterday.
The picture was ten models, but the wording they used in their article was "from Soul Wars"--which gives you 20.
I believe it is a single sprue of ten in a thin ETB box, but I could be wrong. I would expect a single sprue, but then be pleasantly surprised if it is two sprues.
I was expecting $50 for the Chainrasps, so $40 looks good to me if it is for 20 models.
I believe it is ten models as per the Warhammer Community article posted yesterday.
The picture was ten models, but the wording they used in their article was "from Soul Wars"--which gives you 20.
I believe it is a single sprue of ten in a thin ETB box, but I could be wrong. I would expect a single sprue, but then be pleasantly surprised if it is two sprues.
I posted the question on the Age of Sigmar Facebook page. It's probably too late for an answer today, but maybe we'll get one tomorrow.
CragHack wrote: Added url. Does not let me upload imgur. For some reason.
Finally, you’ll be able to grab the Chainrasps from Soul Wars separately in a new push fit set, ideal for increasing the sides of your hordes or just grabbing these models outside of the boxed sets.
So the image you have says 10...if that's the case, then they need to change that wording ASAP. Soul Wars comes with 20. If I'm being told I can grab "the Chainrasps from Soul Wars" separately, I'm thinking 20 not 10. If I want 10, I'll just get a Tempest of Souls.
CragHack wrote: Added url. Does not let me upload imgur. For some reason.
Finally, you’ll be able to grab the Chainrasps from Soul Wars separately in a new push fit set, ideal for increasing the sides of your hordes or just grabbing these models outside of the boxed sets.
So the image you have says 10...if that's the case, then they need to change that wording ASAP. Soul Wars comes with 20. If I'm being told I can grab "the Chainrasps from Soul Wars" separately, I'm thinking 20 not 10. If I want 10, I'll just get a Tempest of Souls.
That's a screenshot of official newsletter. The one from Doug is the trade order pad. So, as I've said, unless it's a hueueuege typo, it's 10 models per box.
Clockpunk wrote: Sweet zombie Jesus, those Squitors are a lot pricier than I expected!
I'm curious what you thought their price would be then; it looks like a 10 model box (though clearly a 5 model sprue doubled) for $2 less than the same number of Liberators who they're fairly analogous to in the army. Granted, the price for Liberators is daffy as well, but it seems fairly standard by GW pricing.
At those prices, if it's for 10, I'm glad i've already got 100 chainrasps Sequitors make sense. And I need 2 of those boxes so I can arm them with swords for my sequitor horde
Clockpunk wrote: I was expecting 30 for 10 (prior to third part discounts). I'll just be going to a bits seller for the redemption cache model at that price.
Woah. Aventis is much pricier than I've anticipated. It'll be some time before I'll be able to pick him up, that's sadness. Was looking forward to building lord arcanum on foot. Maybe they'll also include that kit to some other lord arcanum configuration?
I can use Evocators to cast spells from lore of invigoration, that's super cool. Tempting to try low bravery build.
Can't no longer burn all the command tokens to bring back a destroyed unit in Hammers of Sigmar, well, I saw that one coming. Was fun till lasted.
GOD!
