I think he looks good. I'm just wondering if, realistically, his turban fits in the helmet on his hip. I ask because the Sikh one of my friends worked with had to get hard hats adjusted for their turbans and the mini's helmet looks, well, very small.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: I think he looks good. I'm just wondering if, realistically, his turban fits in the helmet on his hip. I ask because the Sikh one of my friends worked with had to get hard hats adjusted for their turbans and the mini's helmet looks, well, very small.
Are you thinking perhaps of some large, Mars Attacks style helmet?
My only issue is that the religious iconography doesn't seem to fit. The Haqqislam, say, is devoid of religious iconography, and actually looks more often like your average metropolitan youth. Even the Pan Oceania religious orders aren't sporting much to identify, other than crosses and religious icons that have been painted on. Therefore, I wonder what the motivation is for making a figure that is explicitly religious.
I suppose part of it is to make it clearly identifiable as an Indian. But Hindus in Pan Oceania could be painted up without trouble, just giving them darker skin.
Are Sikhs part of the Infinity fluff? I suppose Kirpal is a Sikh hero of some sort?
I've only started collecting Infinity minis based on aesthetic appeal in the last few months. I haven't read much into the fluff yet.
BTW, there is little to no association between a Sikh and a coolie. One refers to a religious/cultural group (that many people actually are quite proud to be a part of), the other refers to Chinese males employed in work that basically amounted to slave labour. I don't think there's any need to worry that we'll see Yu Jing coolies on the battlefield any time soon.
Well you can count the cross visors for the religious orders as a quite obvious identification of religion, I do not think Haqq need to display religion, they are Haqq their religion is self evident the entire nation and its name is their faith.
If I recall it right, Sikh, are required from their religion to publicly display their religion.
Spiraling quickly.
Turban or whatever cool. if you like it ..
Myself culture or no culture rather see a sci-fi helm… not racist or anything else…
I think it looks stupid. Not the people on earth now. The Pistol wielding sci-fi guy in Armor with a turban.
do whatever you like that’s cool, I love the world.
But for Sci-fi… my MHO looks silly. I don’t really care if everyone else is on the politically correct embrace all culture train. I’d rather see a haircut or helmet.
And it’s not “too much stupid” as plastic trees said or racist… I just don’t like the look it’s a guy in sci-fi armor… wearing a turban…
But do what you like. No second head, no purchase for me. Unless someone gotta extra PanO head to trade.
5deadly wrote: Spiraling quickly.
Turban or whatever cool. if you like it ..
Myself culture or no culture rather see a sci-fi helm… not racist or anything else…
I think it looks stupid. Not the people on earth now. The Pistol wielding sci-fi guy in Armor with a turban.
do whatever you like that’s cool, I love the world.
But for Sci-fi… my MHO looks silly. I don’t really care if everyone else is on the politically correct embrace all culture train. I’d rather see a haircut or helmet.
And it’s not “too much stupid” as plastic trees said or racist… I just don’t like the look it’s a guy in sci-fi armor… wearing a turban…
But do what you like. No second head, no purchase for me. Unless someone gotta extra PanO head to trade.
i like that Infinity has kept modern Earth culture, and taken it out into the stars...
we have Scots, French, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, and many more cultures represented...
i have never seen a Sikh out in public without a turban, so it makes sense to me, and he's a bad-ass mini...
in other news, i finally got my hands on the Paradiso book today...
what a beautiful piece of work...
just as nice as my first edition rulebook, and Human Sphere...
the Raicho, and Scarface, art is awesome...
it's so sad that the art always seems to outshine the mini, like the Szalmandra (sp?) art...
i'm looking forward to reading this book...
finally got my hands on the Prowler w/Spitfire mini, too...
i know, i'm behind the times, but it was out of stock everytime i ordered from The Warstore...
he has got to be one of the best Infinity, and Sci-Fi, minis ever...
bring on the next Dakka Infinty painting contest...
I probably won’t unless… as I said it has 2 heads.
I also don’t buy any Ariadna models that wear Kilts or Ushanka for the same reason. It looks silly. At least no helm says “I got one just not on right now.”
But no need to get upset Charles. I can state my opinion contrary to the popular one right? I also don’t need to follow the PC herd Or maybe I’m just the guy with more testicular tenacity to speak what others might be thinking but not outright saying.
Kilts, Turbans, Ushanka in far-flung future warfare?
I get the cultural effect that’s being presented by doing these things and they might cut it in fantasy or historical gaming but not in sci-fi for me personally. lets put master chief in a dress! cool!
And again I feel like a better design choice could have been made. How about Hardline protective armor, different than a normal Bagh-Mari with a cooler than normal Bagh-mari helm…
“Screw it give him a turban” Merp… not model of the Year IMHO… but neither was William Wallace and his skirt wearing brethren, nor the Wulver getting crazy Legs Matrix over the wall- Yet looking out of place doing it. A few Infinity models are silly or ball dropped Just like the female wildcat with the bendy straw arm. That would have been a "Must buy" for me... seen the arm... never laid out the cash.
If I was in charge of Corvus I’d be very careful to ensure every model made my fans dip deep into their pockets and what the could not afford they will come back and purchase later. They should stop making even the occasional goofy model… including but not limited to bad action poses, armored guys in turbans, Kilts, Furry hats, Elves with gills, hard hats with flash lights on the front, gatchaman helms w panchos or a few other I can’t think of right now.
If it was me and I was project manager every model would be a "must buy". No Passes for weak designs.
Sometimes the choices that designers make and then Project managers OK, have to be lived with, and I’m allowed to say “Meh and here’s why I say Meh…”
What I’m saying has been said before… I’m still a big fan of infinity… I’m also a big fan of criticism informs a company and hoping they read and fix repeat issues. If this offends anyone ask yourself why before you spew any retort. Infinity could do much better and this is another example of Ball dropping.
They could’ve put a Sikh symbol on the armor and been good. Instead.. Turban armor guy Supreme! Wicked cool! Not…
Sikhs deserve the protection of helmets as much as any other ethnic group in PanO
And if I offend you…
put on a kilt and a turban… let me get full full body armor with night vision- exact same weapons and lets see who walks away alive.
It’s not intended to be culturally disrespectful some of this stuff is outright silly, makes no sense. It’s being done Just to make sure you know whos culture is whos..
Sikhs have been wearing turbans in combat since their founding, through World War I and II, and even in combat today. Those pictures I posted show that Sikhs are given special permission to break from military uniform to have a Turban in both the UN Peacekeepers and the US Military. It's believable that a character would have a turban even in the future. Infinity adheres decently to a believable real-world future.
Sikhs deserve the protection of helmets as much as any other ethnic group in PanO
He's a character. The normal Sikhs have helmets.
Characters such as Joan d'Arc and Gabriel are helmetless while the Knights usually are. Achilles, Phoenix, Patroclus, and Ajax are all helmetless while the Murmidons usually are. Kusanagi is hoodless while the Moiras usually are.
In fact, I believe Al-Djabel may be the only named character without a thing on his head.
To ignorantly assume Sikhs wouldn't wear turbans to combat is wrong. To be fine with all other characters being helmetless and complain about Singh is just absurd.
You simply don't like the figure, sure. Just say that. Don't unsubtly drop terms like "Haji". It makes us Americans look bad when you're racist.
Who Said Haji? he remind me of the kid from Jonny Quest so what? and Don’t try to shame me with your “America in the worlds eyes garbage” Nor call me ignorant because I think the turban is stupid looking… has nothing to do with ignorance man.. the shame game is lame Absolutionis
5deadly wrote: I also don’t need to follow the PC herd Or maybe I’m just the guy with more testicular tenacity to speak what others might be thinking but not outright saying.
You know, this insulting disregard for everyone who doesn't have the same opinion as you is far more obnoxious than your stance on the mini. A turban on a Sikh is appropriate. You don't like it, you're welcome not to buy it. As you said, you don't intend to buy it. So we have absolutely no need to have an argument unless you go looking to have one by insulting people as being part of a "PC herd" or suggesting they have less "testicular tenacity" than you. They're man-dollies. Which mandolly you choose to buy does not prove you have bigger testicles.
It’s not intended to be culturally disrespectful some of this stuff is outright silly, makes no sense. It’s being done Just to make sure you know whos culture is whos..
Actually, that's not correct. There is a long history of both Kilts and Sikh turbans being worn in leiu of standard-issue equipment in military units. Even today, there are countries where Sikhs are excused from helmet laws and requirements. These models are sculpted with these things because that's actually how people in militaries have dressed. There's no need to insult people who enjoy that bit of realism in the figures.
PsychoticStorm wrote: So, what is exactly the difference between somebody wearing a Dastar and a beret, field cap ectr ectr?
5deadly wrote: I also don’t buy any Ariadna models that wear Kilts or Ushanka for the same reason. It looks silly. At least no helm says “I got one just not on right now.”
Read my quote. I included the furry Russian hats too but that list can included berets, field caps
I really think those look stupid too. So maybe it’s just my desire to see Cool Helms. Cause I never did like models wearing Berets or Field caps… I also think those are dumb looking… it’s not about the real world and who wears what. It’s about not making silly models. I just don’t like the idea that a super cool Bagh-Mari helm was sacrificed for a turban.. if it was a silly fur hat or a beret it’d be the same (see the above post quote for my listed fur hat hatred)
Who wants to turn it into some kinda racial ignorance thing. But I hate fur hats too… WTF I’m an ignorant racist because I think a hat looks stupid on a model? Feel it takes away from what it could have been…
My thing is easy Infinity makes odd decisions on what they do with what would have otherwise been a cool model. You don’t like it cool. You love it cool. You want an army of Kevlar Combat Kilts, Bullet resistant berets, or Missile deflecting Iron core turbans, that’s you. For me it’s just another model I won’t buy (unless it has 2 head) rather see a bare head OF ANY RACE. Than a Turban, Beret, Strawhat, Fuzzy raccoon skin, baseball cap, Dew rag, top hat or any other goof ball design for a Sci-Fi Game… Much Cooler things could be made for me to buy than that.
Same thing goes with silly poses….
Maybe it’s my desire to see the most awesome Sci-Fi armor. I own a ton of Infinity stuff none of them are wearing Stupid little hats of any Sort… Am I ignorant because I think the turban looks stupid… not at all.
If it looked cool everyone would wear their turbans, or berets, or Ushankas when they went out for a night on the town… but there silly little hats, the lot of em’.
Like I said Master chief in a Beret, Turban or Ushanka… or Master chief in a Kilt… no one can concede that point then cool buy em’ out of stock make a whole army of em’ I’ll be over here waiting on non-Silly posed, Silly hat wearing Sci-fi models don’t mind me.
funny how I have to defend such a simple opinion.
It's the turban that why...
if I said his silly little Beret (Saying he had one) no one would've been offended... WTF is that about? That’s what I mean by PC weakness...
anything else and no one bats an eye...
but it's a turban and here come the crusaders! with pictures of guys with turbans and rifles... Oh Never Seen that before!!! with this war on terror and all the fighting in the mid east Thank you for the Awesome education. On Soldiers with Turbans. I Had No Idea the 2 mixed…
(@ Who ever posted the picture and to the 2 guys that keep talking about turbans replacing modern gear BLABLA BLA)
Lets end this easy…
Too bad it wasn’t a custom Bagh-Mari helm… I would buy that.
Hajji means pilgrim (one who has completed the Hajj). just because jarheads use it as a derogatory term does not invalidate the original meaning.
Back on-topic, turbans are not going anywhere- they're a very fixed part of Sikh culture. Unless you're wearing a tight-fitting helmet made by another culture, you wear a turban. I live near the port in Seattle, and a whole lot of the truck drivers here wear turbans, as do the cabbies. I'm talking Dickies workwear and a turban, or a utility jumpsuit and a turban,or a business suit with turban, etc. It's not an affectation.
As for the symbol on the turban, sometimes they leave the quoit (the round thingy, actually a reference to a sacred weapon) out of it. It's kind of like the many subtle variations on the Christian cross within Catholic symbolism.
None of these things are derogatory or cartoonish to include on the figure IMO, or probably in the O of anyone else who encounters Sikhs a lot.
I think the miniature is AWESOME and hope that they release a re-sculpt box of Akalis soon! This guys is above and beyond the old models! I'd love to see what other older units would look like with new sculpts, such as orc troops?
Some misterious teaser image in Magabotato.
Something about a new Bounty Hunter named "Max Skorpio".
It appears next to the ITS logo. It seems that mercenaries will become a faction on its own and will be playable in tournaments.
From what we know Mercenaries will become a faction, or at least sectorial with the next book, Scarface and Cordelia belong after all to the white stars, would be awesome to see some mercs in advance.
Sweeet! I like Mercenaries better than some stablished factions LOL
I hope this Magabotato Infinity Month will have lots of info. Seeing this Mercs stuff, totally unexpected, is really exciting. Also I hope we will be able to understand it, English is ok for me, but German... D:
Now what we need is a completely unfounded rumor that the next book will be Mercenaries, but will include CA specific Exrah mercenaries so the CA players don't feel left out.
Anyone remember the rumors a while back where the 'Mercenaries' were supposedly going to get a non-generic sectorial in Book 4? A very far-off rumor, but I recall it the name being mentioned around when the "Steel Phalanx" name was first revealed.
EDIT: Found it. Rumor is the Mercs will get an ITS-legal sectorial called "White Stars" rather than being a full faction.
EDIT2: Fixed to "White Stars", thanks Kan. I got them mixed up with the Whitemarines.
Noooooo why can't I see that pic on the last page? :(
What did I dooooo ?
I wonder if the merc faction will let you take bits and pieces from other factions, such as the Djanbazan fighting alongside KTS and the like (you can imagine such a thing happening going on the background descriptions)?
Guys, chill out. It might be like Scarface and Cordelia: available early to those who won. No use having a LE character if only a handful of people in this world can use them in ITS.
heartserenade wrote: Guys, chill out. It might be like Scarface and Cordelia: available early to those who won. No use having a LE character if only a handful of people in this world can use them in ITS.
Except for the fact that these aren't going to be actual characters, if the wording that CB is using is correct.
They're going to be an "Authorized Bounty Hunter" generic profile with multiple models made available.
At least that is what CB gave for Magabotato in terms of information.
I must say I need to apologize, I can be abrasive with my opinions and maybe the way I approach things could use some refinement. I’m working on it. Sometimes I go too far and my devil’s advocate side wins out far too much.
I don’t intentionally mean to disrespect other board members and I’m pretty defensive when I shouldn’t be.
This Topic is one of my favorites as is infinity and I’d hate to be “That Guy”
Internet decorum is something I need to work on as the written word can be taken the wrong way.
If I offended any of you guys I’m sorry. I would’ve never posted something like that on the infinity forums and I shouldn’t have posted it here.
I hope this comes across the right way. It took a lot to post this.
I hope Scorpio will be and early release to winners instead of a limited edition. It would have to be a VERY limited release because how many tourney winners are there in a year? Not enough to make it worth it I think.
A resculpt of the ORCs would be Awwweessooooommme.
I have 2 of the Multirifles and converting them is kinda tough. God I wish they did plastic boxsets like malifaux... extra arm, gun n head never hurt anyone.
It may be an error in Translation from German? Maybe?
It wouldn't be unreasonable to give Tournament Winners a free Scorpio and then make it available to the population to purchase a half-year down the line.
As an aside, "Max Scorpio" sounds like a Saturday morning cartoon hero. It hit me when Kanluwen said, "I will have you, Max Scorpio" just like a cartoon villain.
Season 4 for Infinity Tournament System and authorized Bounty Hunter
Suitable to our Infinity month we can get hold of a small Sneak:
This Friday, the "Tournament system season 4" Infinity is scheduled for the game, which will not be new missions and rules of a specific figure for the winners of the tournaments.
This will be Max Skorpio.
An authorized bounty hunters, but which have no hero profile, but a generic profile of the new "Authorized Bounty Hunters."
These profiles are the new - free-Infinity Army list maker, which the next day to go online , and appear to be integrated into it.
Corvus Belli will publish later this year a number of "Authorized Bounty Hunters".
It wouldn't be unreasonable to give Tournament Winners a free Scorpio and then make it available to the population to purchase a half-year down the line.
As an aside, "Max Scorpio" sounds like a Saturday morning cartoon hero. It hit me when Kanluwen said, "I will have you, Max Scorpio" just like a cartoon villain.
Well, we never got the limited Yuan Yuan as a general release, same with Go Go Marlene, so this model might indeed be very limited.
Interesting thing to note:
Look at the "Mercenaries" section on the Infinity website now.
Notice anything different?
1) The "MERCS" icon is gone. It is now the Haqqislam icon. The background of the text blurb as well is the same color as Haqqislam.
2) Bashi Bazouks are now in the Mercenaries section.
3) Kempeitai are now in the Mercenaries section as well.
Kanluwen wrote: Interesting thing to note:
Look at the "Mercenaries" section on the Infinity website now.
Notice anything different?
1) The "MERCS" icon is gone. It is now the Haqqislam icon. The background of the text blurb as well is the same color as Haqqislam.
2) Bashi Bazouks are now in the Mercenaries section.
3) Kempeitai are now in the Mercenaries section as well.
Yes... its quite confusing... Haqqislam logo shouldn't be there.
But, on the other hand... it is correct to have there the Bashi Bazouks and Kempeitai because they have Mercenary troop profiles.
Kanluwen wrote: Interesting thing to note:
Look at the "Mercenaries" section on the Infinity website now.
Notice anything different?
1) The "MERCS" icon is gone. It is now the Haqqislam icon. The background of the text blurb as well is the same color as Haqqislam.
2) Bashi Bazouks are now in the Mercenaries section.
3) Kempeitai are now in the Mercenaries section as well.
Yes... its quite confusing... Haqqislam logo shouldn't be there.
But, on the other hand... it is correct to have there the Bashi Bazouks and Kempeitai because they have Mercenary troop profiles.
Bashi Bazouks and Kempeitai have been there for a while - I remember seeing them when I was looking for a mercenary for my paradiso campaign more than a month ago.
Authorized Bounty Hunters (ISC: Authorized Bounty Hunters) are allowed in all the human Generic Armies. In other words, they are not permitted in the sectorial armies, the Combined Army and the Tohaa.
While CA and Tohaa might feel left out of the loop ( good reasons for it, fluff wise )
I find this really nice to give a little something more when you play a Vanilla Faction
Those ITS scenarios are really well-rounded: less tech-specific than the Paradiso ones. Ariadna/Tohaa will have more options for these.
The Classified Objectives are definitely descended from YAMS/TAOS etc. I like 'em.
Also, it's interesting that you are allowed to extract Supply Boxes as an ARO in the first scenario. That's an ARO that will have nothing to do with the enemy fig triggering it. While it's cool (frantically searching for supplies while the enemy is shooting at you), it does take the ARO rules in kind of an unprecedented direction.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and I agree with Erasoteka and VonSkyfury: Generic lists need a little boost to keep up with the power of linked teams. The availability of a wider selection of troops in general has always been that balance.
I play ISS a lot. They get a bountyhunter that's not in the vanilla YJ list (Lucien Sforza, who is PURE AWESOME for very few points). So there's plenty of precedence for things being available one way and not the other.
A Face to Face Roll is made, using each Lieutenant’s WIP. Players are not forced to reveal the WIP of their Lieutenant so as not to betray their identity (which is Private Information). Players
need only disclose the result of their roll and whether or not it was successful. Players must also inform their opponents whether their Lieutenant has the Strategos Special Skill, and at what level.
Points Cost and SWC are not part of your Army List. Only the Referee needs to know your lists' Point Cost and SWC (to check if the list is valid) but that information is not meant to be part of your army list while you play.
This has been a crazy day for TOslol. So much fantastic news I can hardly keep up.
For those planning to attend the Feast of Blades Infinity Grand Tournament stay tuned. I need to read over the missions a few (hundred) times and make the call. Most likely however we will fully adhere to this tournament format.
What about having some kind of campaign where the number of 'banned' weapons used in one game increases the chances of an O-12 interdiction force turning up and stomping them in the next game? Like a .. squad of TAGs armed with combi-rifles or something ?
Love the idea of the bounty hunters! Although that D20 roll will make it difficult to model them effectively.
BobbaFett wrote: This is getting better.
INFINITY is becoming something huge.
They should make a videogame like X-COM but with all the Infinity stuff.
That would be such an awesome idea!
It will be interesting if Infinity ever gets big enough to make a game (or even an anime or something) viable? Or perhaps it wouldn't even need that; the game universe is pretty evocative, and CB doesn't seem to squeamish about making relationships with others with it. Perhaps it is something a game studio might want to pick up?
Less silly answer:
The closest thing that icon matches?
The Clausewitz Uhlan icon.
We've seen what the "Authorized Bounty Hunters" icon is from the Max Skorpio concept art and it does not match that. It's entirely possible as well that it is something new or being used to tease us with as someone on the Infinity forums speculated the footprint of a T.A.G.
If you can't make it (or afford to go) to GenCon you can meet Gutier (Interruptor) at FoB. For those that don't know, he's CB's lead rules dev and fluff guru. There is enough Infinity events going on to burn you out till next year
plastictrees wrote: Workblocked.
Is it scenery carved from root vegetables? Getting a little tired of laser cut HDF.
It seems more of the same, to be honest. Not very excited about it. I'm uploading pics to Dakka's gallery. The text:
Magabotato wrote:
Today we want to introduce the new line of official scenery and accesories for Infinity: The Game that Bandua Wargames has developed together with Corvus Belli.
This first line of products called Series Alpha was designed to be defined by their functionality, simplicity and economic price.
The central elements of this line are the Q-Buildings, based on the original "Cubes" idea developed by Carlos Llauger, member of the Infinity staff as we all know (Thanks Carlos for all your help). The Q-Buildings are polivalent structures that allow you to create different buildings by combining them together, optimized for the Infinity rules and also designed to be stored in a simple, effective way.
We can announce with confidence that for a final price of 102 Euros you can have the necessary elements to play the most exciting Infinity games. But there's more than just the Q-Buildings. Bridges, containers, fences and the pack of 8 lifts complete this first wave of products that we hope you'll like.
All of these elements are designed to recreate the world of Infinity.
We are already working on new elements for this range, including both new lines and some other "things" that we hope will surprise you. We have plenty of work ahead but also a lot of enthusiasm to carry it onwards.
We cannot finish without thanking all the people who have helped us during these months of hard work and specially all the people working at Corvus Belli.
Hugs.
I've seen enough HDF terrain to know that those walls can be used in the game without getting rid of the cut parts. Those are like the windows in the Micro Art Studio buildings.
By the way, those buildings are the usual cube buildings that Bostria made years ago.
More options are great as always but I'm finding it harder and harder to be excited about laser cut MDF terrain. Warmill's stuff is the only thing still giving me wood... Eheh.
Casey's Law wrote: More options are great as always but I'm finding it harder and harder to be excited about laser cut MDF terrain. Warmill's stuff is the only thing still giving me wood... Eheh.
Sarissa Precision's stuff is pretty exciting too...
I have a local crafters union type thing lots of machines. if I can get CADs of structures I can get tables and tables done for cheap... Maybe I'll do that.
It all depends on how much terrain that 102 Euro package is. There is enough variability in how much terrain to use for Infinity (counting or not counting scatter terrain) that "a whole table" isn't a useful unit of measurement.
Yes I think the official license makes this one more exciting, although 102 Euros does sound like a lot until you see how much you get from that.
Excited by what the mystery logos might be in any case!
plastictrees wrote: They look a little like props for that terrible game show where contestants try to fit themselves through a specific shape in a moving wall...
motyak wrote: Is there any eta on the Mormaer armed with HMG? Or are we meant to convert it? Or does it already exist and I just suck at shopping?
He doesn't exist yet, there is only one version available at the moment, the T2 rifle guy. I haven't read anything about him, so I don't know for real about their plans. The next things coming for Caledonians would more Scots Guards and mybe Wulvers, though.
Casey's Law wrote: More options are great as always but I'm finding it harder and harder to be excited about laser cut MDF terrain. Warmill's stuff is the only thing still giving me wood... Eheh.
Sarissa Precision's stuff is pretty exciting too...
Yeh I quite like a bit of Sarissa too, to be fair, I like a lot of the stuff available it's just a lot of it can be samey.
The more I look at this new MDF stuff, the more I like. I like how one can fit inside the other for easy storage and I like how you can stack it for different levels.
In the video it looked like it's made from plastic or foam board with some magnets. Very cool. It would be cool if thy could do something like that and if it was pre-painted or have a paper "Skin".
Bandua Wargames, the new scenery manufacturer has it available in their store, and the pricing is pretty good. That 102€ can be a right amount. The 3 buildings pack is 26€, and the fences are 12€ each pack.
If they're absurdly posed and long, flowy bits everywhere, they're probably the rumored female Wulver boxed set that Kanluwen has been looking forward to.
Kanluwen wrote: It wasn't a "female Wulver boxed set".
It was a "Wulver boxed set with females".
Plus, I would laugh so bloody hard if they all were sculpts as bad as the Mark 12 Wulver. It would totally be worthwhile to hear the complaining.
Bad form there, bad form!
Just because you don't want something is no reason to go wishing ill on those who do!
Not wishing!
Just would be highly amused by the irony of the situation. The Wulver box resculpts are supposedly because the Mark 12 Wulver was (and I'm quoting here) "such an incredibly poor seller" that it necessitated they take time out of the release schedule to do the Wulver box.
Erasoketa wrote: Bandua Wargames, the new scenery manufacturer has it available in their store, and the pricing is pretty good. That 102€ can be a right amount. The 3 buildings pack is 26€, and the fences are 12€ each pack.
Kanluwen wrote: It wasn't a "female Wulver boxed set".
It was a "Wulver boxed set with all females wearing combat heels, topless with pasties, and posing for the camera in some cheesecake fashion".
BobbaFett wrote: Haqqislam Support Pack.
They keep the remotes, but have new sculpt of the Najjarun and the Ghulam Doctor.
Comparing it to the old one.
I'd never bought the old Ghulam Doctor, but I just noticed that she also has an exposed midriff. Either way, they seem to have turned the awkward hair of the old doctor into anime and pronounced the exposed midriff even more. Face has the superanime look that Cordelia has.
Najjarun looks pretty much the same, except his constipation seems to have lessened, and he gained little details that oddly make him look like a Ghulam. It's a bit disappointing that they got rid of the computery thing and bix box that scream "I am an Engineer" and gave the new Najjarun a large purse. Still stands out. Would have made a perfect Ghulam Hacker stand-in.
With the conversion of further models to the new Ghulam style, the Missile Launcher Ghulam equipped with 'dat ass' still stands out in more ways than one. The HMG guy with 'dat gun' doesn't stand out too much aside from the mini-vent/jetpack thing on his back. Perhaps we can expect a boxed set of Ghulams sometime.
Love em. I'll grab a Najjarun since I want a Maghariba, but I already have the old Ghulam and old Ghulam doctor, so until I feel like painting new Ghulam, that new doctor will have to wait.
Yes Heartserenade! That is exactly the word I would use for the old Naffatun engineer as well!
Curses that I bought that model recently when this new one came out (although I can see the sneering face on that old mini being annoying for my opponent when the engineer runs up and fixes the Maghariba )
Kanluwen wrote: It wasn't a "female Wulver boxed set".
It was a "Wulver boxed set with all females wearing combat heels, topless with pasties, and posing for the camera in some cheesecake fashion".
It's nice, but anyone prefer the Aleph Toolbox instead? It loads faster.
But this Devil Team Army Builder is very, very pretty. I hope that annoying Lone Wolf guys don't send a C&D towards Devil Team for their use of the term "Army Builder".
Impressive. They have made a better version and...
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Absolutionis wrote: It's nice, but anyone prefer the Aleph Toolbox instead? It loads faster.
But this Devil Team Army Builder is very, very pretty. I hope that annoying Lone Wolf guys don't send a C&D towards Devil Team for their use of the term "Army Builder".
Well, in fact, they are not using the term "Army Builder" it's just the forums who are saying army builder. The program is "INFINITY Army 4.0".
BobbaFett wrote: Well, in fact, they are not using the term "Army Builder" it's just the forums who are saying army builder. The program is "INFINITY Army 4.0".
Well, it stated "Online Infinity Official Army Builder" up top in the window title, and people in the forums are calling it an "Army Builder" in the forums (including the stickied one). People mentioning the term "Army Builder" on the fan forums alone was enough for Lone Wolf to flip a gak at Privateer Press a few years ago.
Guys.. stop stressing about whether this might upset the army builder guys, and just sit back and enjoy how damned sexy this new version is !
Damned awesome, yes Aleph Toolbox is faster but this thing is a pleasure to use. It's just so pretty !
In answer to the other points above
- yes im sure there are bugs (every other Infinity army builder has had them!) they will be ironed out in time
- im sure a downloadable version will come eventually.
With the 4.0 army builder, just make sure you double check your points and SWC cost when building a force. I've seen quite a few examples of these values being wrong.
I agree. They are pretty cool! I like all of the figs that are coming out. My fav is Neko. Can you get anymore anime looking? Look at that hair!
Edit: Holy Cow! I just took a re-look at their rules. Have you seen that they are Regular and there's one that's only 3pts! Yes he has no weapons but you can 4 of them running around acting as targets.
Then there's another with just a heavy flame thrower but only 10pts! He also comes with Baggage and Sensor too!
CDK wrote: I agree. They are pretty cool! I like all of the figs that are coming out. My fav is Neko. Can you get anymore anime looking? Look at that hair!
Edit: Holy Cow! I just took a re-look at their rules. Have you seen that they are Regular and there's one that's only 3pts! Yes he has no weapons but you can 4 of them running around acting as targets.
Then there's another with just a heavy flame thrower but only 10pts! He also comes with Baggage and Sensor too!
The cheapest one I'm seeing is 10 points.
I think the 3 point one is just their similarly named "Ghost: Servant" version, and not one of the 4 pictured above?
The Auxiliars are no slouches either. All come standard with V: Courage.
The "cheapest"(the Heavy Flamethrower version) has Baggage and Sensor for 10 points.
The HMG Chaksa? Neurocinetics and 360 degree visor. For 25 points? I'll take it!
The GML Chaksa is the only one which does not have special rules. Just a GML. for 29 points
The Kumotail is pretty much the only thing which can take a Servant and the Gorgos comes with its own Synchronized Chaksa called a "Periferical".
At least the Spitfire, 2x Flammenspeer, Nanopulser Gorgos comes with a Chaksa Periferical. And the Periferical comes with Mimetism, G: Synchronized and a Light Shotgun with Flash Grenades.
lol the only problem with the Chaksa (Tohaa models) is they look waaaay more badass then they really are. They are light infantry equivalents of baggage remotes on other factions.
Heavy Flamer Thrower + Baggage + Sensor
or
HMG + 360 visor + Neurokinetics (ghetto total reaction)
or
Guided Heavy Rocket Launcher
That said, effing epic looking. Hands down my favorite Tohaa models. I'd LOVE to see a Chaksa sectorial.
Pacific wrote: I have no idea what those Tohaa things are, but they look amazing!
Are the rules for them any good?
And I love the Doamru Takeshi oyama (copy + paste again for that name! ), stupendous amount of detail and hard to believe that is only 28mm.
In a sense, they're the Tohaa analogue of the general Remotes that other factions get. There is a Baggage one, a 360 HMG one, a GML one, and one that doesn't really do anything but be cheap. The only difference is that these aren't remotes, so you don't have to take a hacker.
The Tohaa have been getting the jewel of the month since the army begun with the Paradiso book.
You can love/hate their looks, but the level of these miniatures is over the top.
No love for the scots guards finally getting their first miniature? It looks awesome! I wonder if it is meant to be 1st or 2nd batallion, or if it is up to the player
motyak wrote: No love for the scots guards finally getting their first miniature? It looks awesome! I wonder if it is meant to be 1st or 2nd batallion, or if it is up to the player
It was spoiled a month or so ago, so everyone's over it now. Next!
I think someone mentioned that there would be minis for camo and non-camo versions? Might have just been speculation.
I think that the Scot Guards with the cammo coat is supposed to represnet the 2nd Batallion, and the miniatures without coat will be the 1st Batallion version. I think that is the way they are going to do it.
I've read some rumours about a multipart box with both mixed versions. So I guess that will mean a 2 non-coat and 2 cammo coat versions.
motyak wrote: No love for the scots guards finally getting their first miniature? It looks awesome! I wonder if it is meant to be 1st or 2nd batallion, or if it is up to the player
I love the mini, but the design of the ML hasn't aged nicely for my taste. It would have been a good moment for a change. About the Battalions, I read too that there might be different versions.
Ive heard from my buddy, an ex EOD bomb disposal, that guided rocket is an oxymoron. Missiles are guided but rockets are aimed by sight. Learn something new evey day lol.
Again, Ghulam doc looks amazing, and I want that engineer. Unfortunately, since I have the old doc and 2 has ate already ill have to pass on the engineer unless I find someone selling it separately.
They are essentially like remotes for other armies. The thing that throws people off is that they look bulky and armored but they have ARM0 and PH of only 12.
They even have Courage and no Cube which remotes have the same thing through Remote Presence. Fortunately they don't need a hacker to take them. Unfortunately they are not as fast.
Maybe it's the paint job, but he seems to lack any sort of confidence in that pose. He looks an actor that picked up a gun for the first time and is posing for a picture. Who "authorized" this guy? The Nomads?
Overall, though, it's still a great model of the quality we expect from CB.
I agree, but at least it's not the most amazing sculpt. It's 'good' by CB's standards, but it's not really a must-have. For all we know, the public release of Skorpio will be a better sculpt.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Didn't they mention there would also be an alternate sculpt released for the rest of us plebes?
Not an "alternate sculpt" so much as a "general release merc".
Namely:
This is the only Max Skorpio model that will exist. He is not technically a special character, but a named generic character.
There will be one made available for general sale later.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Maybe it's the second language thing, I fail to see the earth-shattering difference.
It's not really a language barrier or anything. It's simply that we do not have enough information right now regarding the implementation of Bounty Hunters.
For my own opinion? It's rushed. They're only made available to non-Sectorial armies because they know that Sectorials have far more attention grabbing ability than the vanilla lists do and are trying to shift the balance a bit.
Add to it that what they are doing is making this particular model (Max Skorpio) a limited edition and a tournament prize, while still having it actually take up a production slot and requiring the sculpting of a generic Bounty Hunter?
It reeks of poor prioritization and planning. It makes me think they needed something to put into the prize boxes and they decided on this. I would rather they have just ran off some more of the GoGo Marlenes and handed them out as prizes.
Von Skyfury why in Spoiler tags? Did you not want to ruin the surprise of Yojimbo riding a bike?
How damned cool is some of that concept art book though.. was lucky enough to have a look through a folder of the stuff that was travelling with two of the games design guys, would be amazing if they actually got around to selling it as a book one day!
Are you referring to his deltoid region? To be fair, the Druze also have that Myrmidon-deltoid aesthetic.
Neko, on the other hand, seems to be running aroud with Aleph weaponry. Yojimbo may be, as well, but we've never seen an Aleph Contender; I guess they both have Aleph pistols, too. Silly Yu Jing taking our jerbs.
PsychoticStorm wrote: Its a Yu Jing contender, it seems Mercs go for Aleph weaponry and equipment, maybe going for the best their money can get?
Hey it's going back to orks using bolter guns right?
Seriously though, think it makes sense that factions have some crossover in terms of the weaponry they use - and certainly that Aleph would probably be at the top end of weapons technology (contrast with Ariadna and Hassiqlsam's far more conventional looking rifles).
-Loki- wrote: Going by the Barid concept art of a palm sized 'hacking device', and the same on the Celestial Guard, I'm wondering why they're doing this.
Infinity has had a pretty strong hacker aesthetic - helmet and gloves interacting with a virtual world interface.
I wonder why they're moving to these palm devices?
That could be to differentiate the low tech factions from the high tech ones, or, since we have that to the CG, maybe people did not get the kaliptra (hacker visor) and ghostly typing and the need for a more mundane visual reference rise.
That been said all hackers do have a hacking device on them.
-Loki- wrote: Going by the Barid concept art of a palm sized 'hacking device', and the same on the Celestial Guard, I'm wondering why they're doing this.
Infinity has had a pretty strong hacker aesthetic - helmet and gloves interacting with a virtual world interface.
I wonder why they're moving to these palm devices?
That could be to differentiate the low tech factions from the high tech ones, or, since we have that to the CG, maybe people did not get the kaliptra (hacker visor) and ghostly typing and the need for a more mundane visual reference rise.
That been said all hackers do have a hacking device on them.
Low tech options wouldn't even make sense in the case of the Barid. Hassassin are some of the best equipped forces of Haqqislam. Ghulam, the standard line grunts, have the helmet and glove interface. There's no way Barids would have a lower tech tool.
The only hacker models I've seen without the helmet and glove interface are in the fireteam boxes, and I just assumed that was to keep the potential options higher (ie CB basically telling people to proxy the hacker with one of the models in the kit).
I get some people maybe not 'getting' the helmet and glove system, but it just feels jarring to change to something like this when there's so many hackers with the old style system. Just stick with it for range continuity.
-Loki- wrote: Going by the Barid concept art of a palm sized 'hacking device', and the same on the Celestial Guard, I'm wondering why they're doing this.
Infinity has had a pretty strong hacker aesthetic - helmet and gloves interacting with a virtual world interface.
I wonder why they're moving to these palm devices?
That could be to differentiate the low tech factions from the high tech ones, or, since we have that to the CG, maybe people did not get the kaliptra (hacker visor) and ghostly typing and the need for a more mundane visual reference rise.
That been said all hackers do have a hacking device on them.
This is what leads me to believe that the "hacking device" is the most important component of a hacker being a hacker, while the visor and jazz hands interface are one of the potential ways to operate the hacking device. A tablet PC could be a similar operational method.
Essentially that's what it is and what defines the hacker, maybe the models holding it are doing something more complex than the gestures interface allows, or are using it to interface with a panel.
I've always imagined it as being perhaps what the hacker is seeing themselves through their own visual GUI - perhaps through their helmet or some kind of optical implant, rather than being some massive shimmering thing (no doubt with sound effects) floating in the air next to them.
Fishborne wrote: Would you want a big glowy interface in the air next to you while you go sneaking around or a palm device to smartphone your way into a T.A.G.?
That leads to the question of 'why the hell is that airdropping Hassassin Ragik using a hacking device that obscures his eyes when logic dictates he'd be using something he could, potentially, mount on his wrist'.
It's a visual design they went for with hackers, and stuck with until now. I've got nothing against the new smartphone devices other than, well, it makes the guys with helmet and glove interfaces make much less sense, as you pointed out, and look rather goofy next to the new guys using their new stuff.
I do not think it looks goofy, out of everyday life probably, but in the future it will probably be quite normal, a virtual interface is nothing out of the ordinary and has many practical uses especially when space is not available or practical.
Something to bear in mind with these hackers and their interface hardware is that the Nomads are one of the high tech factions and the Haqqislam are relatively low tech. From that, it makes sense that a Nomad hacker might have a distributed hardware system built into their clothes, while Haqquislam might have a smartphone thingy like this guy has got.
Kilkrazy wrote: Something to bear in mind with these hackers and their interface hardware is that the Nomads are one of the high tech factions and the Haqqislam are relatively low tech. From that, it makes sense that a Nomad hacker might have a distributed hardware system built into their clothes, while Haqquislam might have a smartphone thingy like this guy has got.
Even with a faction v. faction comparison, there's still going to be a difference.
Like a Tunguska Interventor or a Bakunin Zero/Reverend Custodier is going to have better hacking gear than a Corregidor hacker.
Something I forgot to mention in regards to the Corregidor starter box:
Current information has it being 50/50 for male and female models. Two of the Wildcats and the Intruder are male while a Wildcat, the Hellcat with Combi Rifle, and the Alguacile Hacker are female.
I'm hoping they make the female Wildcat not craptastic this time around.
Nice! An increased GenCon presence is just what they need.
Also, for people who've seen 'Hank Scorpio's statline... goddamn, Authorized Bounty Hunters are incredible. They're WIP13, BTS-3 Fusiliers who are irregular. But that Booty 2 table!
As someone who uses Sforza a lot, one Irregular isn't that bad. The "cost" of Irregulars goes up as they occupy more of your pool. Of course in 2-combat-group lists, the opportunity cost of that order goes down a lot. Bounty Hunters will be ace in Ariadna and Japanese lists.
14 points... that does seem a bit low for all that potential, even if you count the opportunity costs in a 10-man force. I'll have one in most forces.
May Infinity releases:
Chaksa Auxiliars, Scots Guard with Missile Launcher, Domaru Takeshi "Neko" Oyama, Kirpal Singh, and the Haqqislam Support Pack are all now available for preorder at The Warstore.
DAMN those Chaksa look good. CB are getting way, way better at doing aliens.
Now if they would only redesign the Exrah, we'd have some serious buggy goodness.
BTW, while this Dakkaite is way too busy to start an online campaign to get the mercenary space-raoches redone (a la "Wulver Girl Now!"), I would sure as hell support and spread it.
PsychoticStorm wrote: We will have to successfully finish the Female Knights now movement first
Yeah...let's not bother with that garbage here, shall we?
It's already been debunked for all intents and purposes that the image used to support the argument (of the Knight Santiago) is a man, not a woman.
We still don't have enough information regarding the Military Orders to justify or preclude female knights. If Corvus Belli wants to do them or does not want to do them--they'll do as they damned well please. We don't need another obnoxious "campaign" like the Female Wulvers one.
Barring one illustration that people may see it one way or another, I mean the Hospitalers casevac, all knights have been male, what the, admittedly less constantly demanding, FKN movement asks is for female knights to exist, not a female order, just female models of regular knights.
Nothing more nothing less and no connection to how thin is the Santiago.
And like I just said:
We do not have enough information regarding the make-up of the Military Orders to judge one way or the other. They could have female members. It's up to Corvus Belli.
And quite frankly? I see no issue with PanOceania having all male Military Orders.
You don't see male Moiras, Custodiers, or Riot Grrls now do you? So why is it okay for the Nomads to have three units within a Sectorial that are exclusively female but not okay for PanOceania to have a Sectorial that is exclusively male?
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Aside from thousands of years of patriarchal domination? Nothing, I guess.
Yeah, because clearly everyone who wants "Female Wulvers" or "Female Knights" are concerned with gender equality and redressing the wrongs of a patriarchal centric society.
It has nothing to do with the constant fanwank art that gets circulated of scantily clad "concepts" that then get defended as "Because anime!".
Anybody said anything about scantily clad knights?
I think if you ever read my and other comments on the forum it talks about "same as male knights"
The observance is a matriarchal society that, surprise surprise has male members, the only other all female unit you can find are Odalisques who are a model bodyguard unit (must quickly add that I almost forgot riot grrls who are a bit of the sameish but less deep in the background).
There is no real reason why Military Orders should be all male in a sci fi background set 175 years in the future with a radically altered church as there should be no reason to not have female woulvers, been sterile is logical, I am surprised dog warriors are not, but only male woulvers been born, it is a bit extreme.
In any case for me its my personal preference to have models of both genders in sci fi as it makes more sense (to me) than having single gender forces.
Edit I do not mean CB should drawn us if female knights, but a few would not be bad.
Kan calm down haha, I know it probably wasn't your intent but your above few posts really made me laugh.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Aside from thousands of years of patriarchal domination? Nothing, I guess.
Agreed, for the Wulvers its a bit of a grey area, for all we know they might be a pack of raging transsexual deviants! On the other hand if we are to believe that the Knightly orders are descended from their namesakes in the past, and from a Christian-influenced determination of the male/female role, then female knights might look a little out of place (with the exception of Joan of Arc of course )
Not to say that something couldn't be worked out - some kind of light-infantry knight as a medic or other support role (in a kind of supplicants lighter armour?) might look pretty cool, and still be in keeping with the idea.
Well we do know that the Military Orders are Private Military Companies of the church, "given" (or forced if you ask the higher ups) in the PanOceania military, they have no connection or relation to the military orders of the past, beyond the names.
PsychoticStorm wrote: We will have to successfully finish the Female Knights now movement first
Yeah...let's not bother with that garbage here, shall we?
It's already been debunked for all intents and purposes that the image used to support the argument (of the Knight Santiago) is a man, not a woman.
We still don't have enough information regarding the Military Orders to justify or preclude female knights. If Corvus Belli wants to do them or does not want to do them--they'll do as they damned well please. We don't need another obnoxious "campaign" like the Female Wulvers one.
Where did they say that the Knight in the picture is a man?]
IRC there is no official stance on it I do know the speculation on the firing Hospitalers gender is as long as the picture exists and the conclusion from fans is almost always female.
That been said I feel we have veered way of course, sorry for that.
Pacific wrote: Kan calm down haha, I know it probably wasn't your intent but your above few posts really made me laugh.
I'm perfectly calm. I am however tired of the hypocritical garbage that gets espoused by the Infinity community when it comes to the presence of things that certain members like which relate to "anime" stylization v. "realistic" stylization.
Heavens forbid that a faction have a Sectorial which doesn't run to the pin-up poster for their models.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Aside from thousands of years of patriarchal domination? Nothing, I guess.
Agreed, for the Wulvers its a bit of a grey area, for all we know they might be a pack of raging transsexual deviants! On the other hand if we are to believe that the Knightly orders are descended from their namesakes in the past, and from a Christian-influenced determination of the male/female role, then female knights might look a little out of place (with the exception of Joan of Arc of course )
Not to say that something couldn't be worked out - some kind of light-infantry knight as a medic or other support role (in a kind of supplicants lighter armour?) might look pretty cool, and still be in keeping with the idea.
They already have what amounts to that idea in the Military Orders.
They're called "Order Sergeants", and one of the models is in fact a female. The "Order Sergeants" are not knights, technically speaking, but they are professional military(read: Fusiliers) who have either been retired or seconded to the Church and a specific Military Order to serve as a support troop.
We all understand that Kan hates certain Anime/Cheesecake elements in Infinity.
We all understand that CB likes to sell models, and probably has a good idea on what sells and what doesn't.
We should all agree to not bait Kan, and Kan should agree to just shrug and move on when encountering females models he doesn't like, and minimize (eliminate?) the ranting about them.
And no-one mentioned that all of the Combined Army Zerat models are girls, and all other morat models are guys, simply because "Zerat" is the Morat word for "Female"? Shame.
Micky wrote: And no-one mentioned that all of the Combined Army Zerat models are girls, and all other morat models are guys, simply because "Zerat" is the Morat word for "Female"? Shame.
That's excusable. The entire Morat society is almost primitive in all ways except technology. Plus they're aliens and the "bad guys" in a way if you don't pity the fact that their entire race has been enslaved.
They could have gone a more Predator/Klingon route and made them equal, but they decided to go the route of Orks and make them pretty much all Boyz.
I am afraid Zerat does not mean female morat that's Mobat (she who kills with the left) Rat means he who kills with the lest
Zerat is the silent stealthy killer, which to morats are synonymous to female warrior (I don't know why its not Zebat though) in the background there is the odd male in these regiments, but Morats are mostly not fitting for stealth or recon roles.
I would guess the distinction comes from the traditional Morat hunting parties, the females are the trackers and herders while males are the ones to confront the prey ones it has been tracked and herded in their ambush.
I am assuming a bit here, but for Morats there seems to be little to no distinction between male and female members beyond tradition and the units description so far leave it open for Morats of both gender to be included in any unit.
From old background though, if you want the toughest and meanest morat, look for the females, they even comprise the majority of army instructors putting discipline to new unruly recruits.
Yes, never assign to malice what can be assigned to lazyness, budget constraint or incompetence.
That being said, I'm not much for an anime vibe, which is why I didn't paint my PanO in full-glorious-glowing-stuff like their drawings are. I'd like female minis that are SUBTLY female. The combat heels... I'm not feeling them so much. Boob-plate is a bit of a let-down, honestly.
I dare anyone to release sisters of battle at this point...
I like my Yuan Yuan with sword, she's a nice blend of a girly figure paired with as much pragmatism as you can get from a mini with a jetpack and a claymore.
The great thing is that Infinity caters for both tastes well. I'm enjoying the very anime style females right now as it's not something I've had the opportunity to work with before. Once I'm done I'll probably look into the more androgynous sculpts. Both styles have a lot of merit.
Yup absolutely.. I kind of like the cheeky anime vibe to some of the stuff (and I have a Nomad force that's full of the cheesiest examples), but on the other hand the more serious-style sci-fi also has an appeal. Making a 'mercenary' Haq-islam force at the moment that's built up of Kaplan, Djanbazan and other 'Metal Gear Solid bad guy' style miniatures.
On a few occasions I think they've also managed to bridge those two design aesthetics; the Haqqislam Lasiq and that new Aleph biker-chick being some of the best examples!
Yeh good shout, there are some wonderful meeting points of the two styles. Nomads are even a nice area where the styles can meet within the fluff; the anime style being a fashionable look and living in a place where bodymorphs come in all varieties.
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Comparing it to the old one.
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, 
