I am a bit of a completionist where I want to have the whole game and not have bits missing.
I do not collect just one side of X-wing or Armada or Bolt Action or....
This is why the Wave 2 thing sticks in my craw: I now have to "complete" this game even if PB holds the rights to it.
I think I know a supplier with a "digitizer" so I could put together a 1/100 scale model and then scan it and get a 3D model... hmmm.... just for a "skeleton" to work with of course...
Just a couple models are really messing with my attempts for making them.
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warboss wrote: I've been forced to collect for collecting's sake due to a lack of local interest. Does that count?
Ha!
I feel your pain, this suddenly sprang to mind:
Talizvar wrote: I am a bit of a completionist where I want to have the whole game and not have bits missing.
I do not collect just one side of X-wing or Armada or Bolt Action or....
I like collections, but I am starting to move away from that, in the interest of time, space and expense.
There was a time that I had both Season 2 and Season 3 of Zombicide, with all of their exclusives. I too a look at it, decided I wasn't ever going to play all of it, and sold off pretty much all but the S3 core that I liked. It's a smaller board game, much more manageable.
BTW, have you seen this new Pokemon Go phone game? You should check it out.
Got these in the mail:
Two cannons broke off, the box looked like it was stepped on and used for soccer (had some extra yellow tape applied, look like it broke).
The join is rather flimsy for the guns so wiring them all seems like a good idea.
The Gnerls look awesome, great detail there.
The UEDF is in big trouble.
I think the Super VT's are the hard counter I will have to show some love next.
DEZOAT wrote: The evil PB boys just deleted the RTT 2016 thread on their forum . I wonder when they would get round to it.
Oooooooh! How surprising!!
NOT.
Damn you PB and your NON-work on RRT :(
Much easier to occasionally wave waffley vagueness at your creditors, and have your lackeys crush dissent, than to show any evidence that you're even trying.
And it's not like it's even a perception thing at this point. On their FB page, that's one thing, where people who might not yet be aware of the toxic reputation of Palladium might swing through. But the PB Forums are a ghost town regarding activity. Leaving it up doesn't really do much harm, and it was up long enough that most people knew the context. Taking it down is just another example of them ostriching themselves when it comes to dealing with the public.
Odds are, if questioned, they'll use the old "Someone posted something hostile, so we deleted the thread", completely missing the point that you can delete posts (and ban those people).
Palladium Books. When faced with a good or bad choice, they take the latter. Twice.
DEZOAT wrote: The evil PB boys just deleted the RTT 2016 thread on their forum . I wonder when they would get round to it.
Ok, there is still many other threads so it is not a total shutdown.
It IS funny though that there is not a post to be found from June to now.
The second most recent active thread that is now the most recent is over a month and a half old from late May and also a mild conscructive criticism thread. If that isn't a canary in the coal mine for how much of a turn from the megasuccesss of the kickistarter this game has become under Palladium's seasoned management f, I don't know what is. Just look on the bright side... we don't have any reports of bannings or warnings which usually accompanied the previous thread deletions from the megaversal forums. That at least is noticeable progress and a big improvement. Did the thread take a turn for the worse since late last week? I usually check in on the forums when we get our weekly non-news murmur.
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Mike1975 wrote: The main FB page has also slowed although there are still quite a few posts on a daily basis.
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Are you talking about your group page or the main palladium one? Are complaint posts down or just overall posts of all kinds? (regardless of which page)
Complaint posts are gone or show up rarely as people are staring to just throw in the towel. Most posts are from the few games people have played or some of the pics that I find and post. There are also a few on miniatures.
Wow....they deleted a thread ehich has be left alone for a very long time and in whoch no ine eas being overtly mean or nasty...yep palladium starndard op.
And i still get the odd pwrson asking why i washed my hands of these f'ing clowns.
Nice gnerl. I'm not a fan though of using WSF on the MPA but understand due to the size/cost/numbers. I'm curious to see if the bumpy rough sandpaper texture I've seen on other fantasy minis can be covered over or fixed.
warboss wrote: Nice gnerl. I'm not a fan though of using WSF on the MPA but understand due to the size/cost/numbers. I'm curious to see if the bumpy rough sandpaper texture I've seen on other fantasy minis can be covered over or fixed.
I'm wondering the same thing. Sadly, USF is not an option for the Nosjaedul-Ger, not for the cost, but because it's not avaliable (no idea why).
Wanna have the Gnerls and MPA in my hands nooooow!!!!
Nesbet wrote: Wanna have the Gnerls and MPA in my hands nooooow!!!!
It will get to you...
I wish I was not going on vacation so soon, I am pretty sure I can get these things smooth without too much work: seal first, then sand (lightly).
The plastic is very strong so I am quite happy that it would survive gaming.
The "tooth" on these will be insane, gluing if I had to would take no prep.
I fully intend on cutting some arms to get different poses.
Ah well it was me that started that thread over on the PB Forums and I too was surprised it lasted as long as it did.
However, I probably overstepped that invisible line in my last posts, questioning if all the money was now gone - I did say on RTT work rather than anything else - and speculating and how PB could now afford to manufacture and then deliver Wave 2.
I know it is their forums so they have the right bt I fund it ironic that they can read and delete posts but never take the time to actuallly reply.
Some nice looking 3d home brew models being shown aand made me wonder somethng. With 3d printing getting relatively cheaper by the month nevermind the year, is this the cheap get out option that Kevin was boiling his kettle for, only to find he woulld still have to spend something?
I doubt you'll find adequete detail 3d printing for the roughly $1.25 USD a mini we paid on average with a battlecry pledge. Also, the folks doing the deleting (mods like NMI or more likely Jeffar in this case since there are no reports yet of mass warnings sent out) aren't the ones with any real knowledge about the kickstarter's (lack of) progress. It sounds like the thread was deleted for an uncomfortable educated guess rather than actual trolling. If palladium doesn't want people connecting the dots and making guesses then they shouldn't leave an information vacuum going for 3-14 months at a time.
warboss wrote: I doubt you'll find adequete detail 3d printing for the roughly $1.25 USD a mini we paid on average with a battlecry pledge. Also, the folks doing the deleting (mods like NMI or more likely Jeffar in this case since there are no reports yet of mass warnings sent out) aren't the ones with any real knowledge about the kickstarter's (lack of) progress. It sounds like the thread was deleted for an uncomfortable educated guess rather than actual trolling. If palladium doesn't want people connecting the dots and making guesses then they shouldn't leave an information vacuum going for 3-14 months at a time.
thats where 3D printing and mold making comes into play then.
Gah!
No take-down demands before I get to order!!!!
What is funny is how some "centralized" printing services are being targeted to try to control the flood of 3D printed "commerce" involving IP.
I found this article interesting about how soon many items will be made outside of "control".
http://www.ip-watch.org/2015/07/09/3d-printing-and-public-policy/ I could see this being like the funny matter of buying blank CD's for burning: slap a BIG tax on printer raw material (good luck with that).
Anyway, PB could solve all this by making models.
They can pick something, anything and we can all get on with our lives.
Even though it's obvious what PB have been picking for so long, I am not prepared to put up with receiving a box of that, thank you.
I want what I pledged for and I am sick of getting full deliveries from campaigns I backed this year whilst I still get sweet [censored] Adams from PB.
Very low down in second place, I will accept PB's bankruptcy so they cannot do this to others later on - although that may be a little late by now.
Conrad Turner wrote: Sorry Talizvar,
Even though it's obvious what PB have been picking for so long, I am not prepared to put up with receiving a box of that, thank you.
I want what I pledged for and I am sick of getting full deliveries from campaigns I backed this year whilst I still get sweet [censored] Adams from PB.
Very low down in second place, I will accept PB's bankruptcy so they cannot do this to others later on - although that may be a little late by now.
Getting what was promised or their closure as a company seems like a perfectly reasonable stance to me.
Your statement makes me unsure if you are sick of these other companies performing so well: "Darn!, got everything I asked for AGAIN."
Though I performed my very own "Wave1" to Nesbet... I shipped 2/3rd what I should have... and English is my first language.
I hope you're prepared to glue 1,745 pieces to build something that big! Each barrel on the top must be a hundred pieces each with seams needed to be filled to get that complex shape not originally designed for plastics manufacturing!
warboss wrote: I hope you're prepared to glue 1,745 pieces to build something that big! Each barrel on the top must be a hundred pieces each with seams needed to be filled to get that complex shape not originally designed for plastics manufacturing!
I would also point out, that's a re-issue of an almost 30 years old set of sprues.
warboss wrote: I hope you're prepared to glue 1,745 pieces to build something that big! Each barrel on the top must be a hundred pieces each with seams needed to be filled to get that complex shape not originally designed for plastics manufacturing!
I would also point out, that's a re-issue of an almost 30 years old set of sprues.
Maybe it was designed by time travelers from the future?
I get where Warboss is coming from, but unfortunately this kit was designed before Kevin gifted the world with his vision. I've been assembling it while the plumbers are working, and I'm nearly done. Of course, I did do a rush job with far too many glue-melted fingerprints, but that's how my hobby rolls these days: rushed and shameful or not at all.
warboss wrote: I hope you're prepared to glue 1,745 pieces to build something that big! Each barrel on the top must be a hundred pieces each with seams needed to be filled to get that complex shape not originally designed for plastics manufacturing!
I would also point out, that's a re-issue of an almost 30 years old set of sprues.
Maybe it was designed by time travelers from the future?
Technosorcery is clearly the only logical answer. If Kevin and his crack team of elite folks hired for their grab bag packin', pencil sketchin', and 100% sun shine up the bum blowing free straight shootin' skill can't do it in over 3 1/2 years, then no mere mortals can.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: but that's how my hobby rolls these days: rushed and shameful or not at all.
If you just add "after years of delays" to the beginning then you have Palladium's business mantra! How appropriate!
BobtheInquisitor wrote: ... I've been assembling it while the plumbers are working, and I'm nearly done. Of course, I did do a rush job with far too many glue-melted fingerprints, but that's how my hobby rolls these days: rushed and shameful or not at all.
I was going to ask for a pic of the sprues, you know, just to see how it couldn't be done.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: ... I've been assembling it while the plumbers are working, and I'm nearly done. Of course, I did do a rush job with far too many glue-melted fingerprints, but that's how my hobby rolls these days: rushed and shameful or not at all.
I was going to ask for a pic of the sprues, you know, just to see how it couldn't be done.
Would this be enough?
EDIT: $16.16 on HLJ, and it will look more or less like this assembled:
Bob, you MUST post the results of your assembled Monster, with a VF next to it, so I can see if I should order one for myself.
Cuz I obviously ain't getting it from PB...
Hmm...collecting UEDF only, all I need is some super VT's, a Monster and armored VT's. Do they make model kits of Lancers, Jotuns and YF-4's? Those three would be "nice to have", but not necessary.
I feel I have witnessed model porn. The sprues look awfully clean, I bet they may have refurbished the die.
Clear looking instructions, each sprue bagged.
In regards to the "Monster" and the variances of the Robotech cartoon, would we be forgiven if we say 1/200 scale is "close enough" to 1/258??
I will now back away and put on my helmet...
Nah...unless Albertorious (whose name I've typed enough on dakka with my kindle that it autosuggests the rest with a few letters, lol!) or Bob model Khyron shirtless bareback riding on top. Then it might be NSFW.
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Mike1975 wrote: The main FB page has also slowed although there are still quite a few posts on a daily basis.
I suppose the upside as the moderator/owner is that you don't have to separate the kids and send them to different rooms as much.
Nah...unless Albertorious (whose name I've typed enough on dakka with my kindle that it autosuggests the rest with a few letters, lol!) or Bob model Khyron shirtless bareback riding on top. Then it might be NSFW.
Talizvar wrote: I feel I have witnessed model porn. The sprues look awfully clean, I bet they may have refurbished the die.
Clear looking instructions, each sprue bagged.
In regards to the "Monster" and the variances of the Robotech cartoon, would we be forgiven if we say 1/200 scale is "close enough" to 1/258??
I will now back away and put on my helmet...
NOPE.
RRT scale is 1:285 and this scale is closer to 1:300 than 1:200, obviously.
This monster is really monstrous. About 2x the same model in 1:285~300 scale.
Would be interesting to see this model in 1:300. Is there any? Was there?
However, having some 1/200 gashapon, that Monster would fit in fine . Hey, they're already painted (better than I do), and at worst come in three pieces.
And finally, while more expensive - at least they EXIST.
P.S.: I have a Takatoku Mac II diecast (also done up for Robotech in a lime green by Matchbox); apparently it is about 1/240 scale.
Stumbled into a game based on Gundam UC stuff. Hoping it actually makes it out. The creator apparently has gotten approval from BanDai, so hoping it will see the light of day.
I don't have pictures of the sprues, but I can take a picture of the instruction book's picture of the sprues. Yes, there is even an instruction booklet. Such archaic technology.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: that's how my hobby rolls these days: rushed and shameful or not at all.
I hope your, erm, "relations" with the wife are better than that!
Yep*. I only have to sneak and rush the hobbies she doesn't approve.
*Somethimes I have been known to rush through the shibari, but chest harnesses take forever and it's not like she can see shoddy knot work through the blindfold anyway.
The Michigan AG has not taken interest in it.
PB doesn't have money to return to us.
It wouldn't surprise me if we found out that Kevin lives in the warehouse.
n815e wrote: The Michigan AG has not taken interest in it.
PB doesn't have money to return to us.
It wouldn't surprise me if we found out that Kevin lives in the warehouse.
He could however, give us the digital files to print the miniatures at home or via shapeways (or similar) when filling for bankrupt.
n815e wrote: The Michigan AG has not taken interest in it.
PB doesn't have money to return to us.
It wouldn't surprise me if we found out that Kevin lives in the warehouse.
He could however, give us the digital files to print the miniatures at home or via shapeways (or similar) when filling for bankrupt.
Out of curiosity, is anyone else interested in seeing how long the robotech tactics subforum can stay empty with Morgan Vening's last post from May remaining the current one? I rarely ever post on the palladium forums in the past two years but I'll be staying away from that subforum specifically for that reason.
Yeah sure. And its depressingly lame :(
I just can't believe how HG still has the rights and continue blocking the arrival of Macross, etc
Well, today we will get another non-update, probably. So I'm already moving forward with more positive things.
Today I started learning photoshop to crop and arrange dropzone buildings to print them
I really don't know for sure how to do all this, but I'm learning xD
And here's how they look in the proper scale compared with RRT miniatures:
Given that they have subforums and stickied threads that haven't been utilized or relevant in years, I doubt it'll bother the PB folks any, but more to your point, I can't imagine it'll speak well to the product line when other people come looking for info/other fans.
Granted, finding the largest/most active thread on the forum to be one whining about the product line isn't good, but somehow I have to think "hasn't seen activity in 2 months" as worse.
At least whining shows passion and interest, even if expressed in less constructive ways.
2 months or more of silence indicates apathy, which is (imo) even more discouraging.
Their house, their prerogative, but that won't stop me from laughing and throwing pebbles from the peanut gallery.
Put the ground-level faces all directly next to each other (front-side-back-side). That way, you cut out 1 long rectangle, make 3 folds and only glue one edge before adding the roof.
The way you have it right now, you need to cut 4+1 rectangles, and glue all 4 vertical edges to make a building -- that is a LOT more work if you're making a lot of buildings.
Put the ground-level faces all directly next to each other (front-side-back-side). That way, you cut out 1 long rectangle, make 3 folds and only glue one edge before adding the roof.
The way you have it right now, you need to cut 4+1 rectangles, and glue all 4 vertical edges to make a building -- that is a LOT more work if you're making a lot of buildings.
Thanks for the advice John. When I was doing this on PS I thought about it, but after assembling 1 of these buildings I'm not gonna do it that way...
Why? Because as you said, gluing so many faces is quite a lot of work, specially if I'm planning to build 80+ buildings.
I decided to order some laser cut interiors in *IDK how to name that type of cardboard in english*of the buildings like boxes and then glue the faces directly, without folding anything (excepting the border on the top of the building). That way they are gonna be sturdier and I'll be gluing just flat surfaces, without the mess of foldings and gluing them. I prefer to cut more rectangles than dealing with the folds and gluing them (that sucks, really) xD
warboss wrote: Out of curiosity, is anyone else interested in seeing how long the robotech tactics subforum can stay empty with Morgan Vening's last post from May remaining the current one? I rarely ever post on the palladium forums in the past two years but I'll be staying away from that subforum specifically for that reason.
Woo! I'm relevant!
In the most irrelevant manner possible. But I still count that as a win.
Just as an FYI, the dropzone building kits are quite affordable at least in the US. I initially tried printing out my own but the heaviest cardstock my home office printer could handle was very inferior to the ones from DZC. If you have it professionally printed though that's another story.
Oh yeah, you can buy posterboard and use that to back the buildings, if you want them to be more sturdy.
Another trick is to glue the roof on one long side. You can push the roof up from the inside, unfold and flatten two opposite edges, and the building lies flat when you're not using it. Then, when you want to play, pop them back out.
Finally, you can do city blocks by making really wide buildings with as (wiiide front-wiiide top-wiide back). Or warehouses. Just recolor / stretch / pinch the various buildings.
warboss wrote: Just as an FYI, the dropzone building kits are quite affordable at least in the US. I initially tried printing out my own but the heaviest cardstock my home office printer could handle was very inferior to the ones from DZC. If you have it professionally printed though that's another story.
Yeah. Each DPC building would cost me around 0,75 usd pro printed in HQ I know the set is quite affordable, but the buildings are way too big. A friend has it. That's why I'm scaling them to fit the RRT scale properly.
And this is the material I think I'll use for the inside:
we call it carton piedra. No idea how its called in english
Forar wrote: Given that they have subforums and stickied threads that haven't been utilized or relevant in years, I doubt it'll bother the PB folks any, but more to your point, I can't imagine it'll speak well to the product line when other people come looking for info/other fans.
Granted, finding the largest/most active thread on the forum to be one whining about the product line isn't good, but somehow I have to think "hasn't seen activity in 2 months" as worse.
At least whining shows passion and interest, even if expressed in less constructive ways.
2 months or more of silence indicates apathy, which is (imo) even more discouraging.
I agree. I'm just curious if the peanut gallery of supposed "haters" stops talking abou the game, if any of the white knights that defend every delay, every period of silence, and every flat out lie will suddenly show their supposed interest in doing something other than just playing the internet tough guy.
UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™
Things are building on this front. More information and support coming after we finalize the groundwork for the relaunch of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and the releases of RRT Wave Two, and beyond. Digital materials should be appearing in the weeks ahead, along with more solid news and information.
Called it. Old timey platitude. Just a few more weeks guys!
UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™
Things are building on this front. More information and support coming after we finalize the groundwork for the relaunch of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and the releases of RRT Wave Two, and beyond. Digital materials should be appearing in the weeks ahead, along with more solid news and information.
Called it. Old timey platitude. Just a few more weeks guys!
UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™
Things are building on this front. More information and support coming after we finalize the groundwork for the relaunch of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and the releases of RRT Wave Two, and beyond. Digital materials should be appearing in the weeks ahead, along with more solid news and information.
Called it. Old timey platitude. Just a few more weeks guys!
how many months have they been saying this now?
ITYM years...
Also notice how further info now hinges on the relaunch.
I imagine Kevin and Wayne as a Vaudeville act in red white and blue pin stripe suits waggling their hats as they shuffle off stage.
In case anyone is still interested, the latest update.
UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™
Things are building on this front. More information and support coming after we finalize the groundwork for the relaunch of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and the releases of RRT Wave Two, and beyond. Digital materials should be appearing in the weeks ahead, along with more solid news and information.
Look, it's so rehashed any remarks I make is going to be a rehash.
The 1/200 Monster is probably too big for purists to use in RTT, but I think it looks alright. It looks like it would work in many scales for anyone not married to canon, including 28mm.
Geeze, a guy takes a bit longer to edit a thread because he's got a newborn to take care of and you act like the Gestapo came over and slapped your mommas
My, my. Yesterday someone posted in the tactics section of the PB forums saying how all the posts since may 27th had vanished again. Now that post is gone and all the others have reappeared. Magic.
Jefffar wrote: Geeze, a guy takes a bit longer to edit a thread because he's got a newborn to take care of and you act like the Gestapo came over and slapped your mommas
The forum software allows locking threads in place, does it not?
Rather than vanishing it, why not simply lock it after a "uh, someone's getting a time out shortly" post and trim from there?
Making it invisible/moving it to the Super Secret Mod Subforum/etc without a word looks an awful lot like arbitrary deletion without any feedback.
Not that there are many people reading/posting in there in the first place.
Won't someone please think of Alpha11? He's such a trooper.
Plus, c'mon, even you have to admit that removing it (or whatever) causing the last post to appear to be from May was funny. Kind of this whole project in a nutshell; if it weren't for the peanut gallery, the theater would be all but empty.
Jefffar wrote: Geeze, a guy takes a bit longer to edit a thread because he's got a newborn to take care of and you act like the Gestapo came over and slapped your mommas
As Forar said, you had at least one obvious different option. And I note there's no "mod edit" marks, so either it wasn't significant enough to warrant editing (and hence the reason for the hiding was irrelevant), or the thread was edited, without notification or context, which would be worse.
And if this were the first instance of something relatively benign being deleted without question, you might have a point. But this thread making a reappearance is the exception, not the rule. There have been multiple instances of threads and posts vanishing in the past.
Not sure if the PB Facebook has the same moderation crew, but that place is even worse in that regard. No, it's not EXACTLY the same situation, but it does show a similar general attitude.
So it should not come as a shock, and you shouldn't be surprised, that people's first response was "Here we go again". Sorry, but in this case, as in PB's "Trust us" and "soon" statements, Palladium have lost all benefit of the doubt. Don't like it? Blame precedent.
well noticed the CSI sale is still going on and funny thing is I think $10 for a box of pods is still too much, and if I bought anything it would be more pods.
If deleted posts were somehow all just plain insulting or attacking PB then the appearances would be much different but way too often the posts have only a slight negative twist, if that and are simply removed or someone says something against PB's trusted few and they whine and it is instantly banned. It all springs to mind the whole "Be a Better Man" Thread where I was told to not attack someone who went out of their way to attack me for not being 100% trusting and glossy eyed with PB and was told to be the better man and to let it be.
Before that I tried to give PB a fair shake, being newly returned to their forums after a long absence, but was quickly shown that truth of things through PB's own behavior. Even at that point I moved away from the forums but still supported RRT. Then only through kicking and yelling and cajoling would any positive feedback be taken into account. When, after lots of work and the collaboration of a group of individuals we came up with some changes and they were sent to PB and they just simply arbitrarily changed rules to fit their ideals without even the consideration of consulting my group as to the why and how we came up with the changes we did......that is what broke the last straw. So I moved to Nodal Wars and stopped supporting RRT with my free time and effort. All the appreciation was just shown to be simple pleasantries. Where you are told to be honest and then when you are, ignored, you tend to walk the other way.
On the other side I have redone the format I was using to something I hope is easier and more consistent for using RRT stuff with Nodal Wars. I also hope to be at the local convention to demo the game, even if I don't have an "Official" book for local players that might like what they see. I'll have some fliers with a link to the Facebook page. I'll also have some Bioroids and Battletech to use for Demos. I might bring some destroids and VT's too.
Shameless plug on the new cards.....feel free to make suggestions on the format.
Was at Kennedy Space Center today, renewed my respect for Apollo 13.
Managed not to leave any "gifts" for PB when driving through Detroit to get here.
Apollo 13 is termed a "successful failure", if only PB could claim so well.
At Disney now to have fun times, resorts by these guys set a new standard for service. Dare I snark about PB service?
Well, back to looking at the tech for the Mars program and the inflatable bouncy castle they plan on using for an extended living space on the way there... cool stuff.
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Got my kids to promise not to speak about religion or politics here... especially about Trump.
The people here take both of these very seriously.
I will hit some hobby stores here, maybe find some RRT deals??
Talizvar wrote: Hey! American flag next to profile... still Canadian though.
Got my kids to promise not to speak about religion or politics here... especially about Trump.
The people here take both of these very seriously.
I will hit some hobby stores here, maybe find some RRT??
Just had to adjust that for you, you had a word too many in that last post!
Mike1975 wrote: Shameless plug on the new cards.....feel free to make suggestions on the format.
Mike, more than the format, have you considered asking for help with the overall look? I loved the design of the cards, with more useful information all in the hand, but they don't look appealling. I know "look" is the least important thing in a gaming aid, but at least for me, that's why I decided to go with the standard RRT cards. Maybe you can ask someone to use his/hers skills in photoshop (or whatever) to improve fonts, overall image quality, etc
I can barely know some basics in photoshop, but I'm sure if you ask in RTU or here, someone could help you with the style and graphic part of the cards.
Mike1975 wrote: Shameless plug on the new cards.....feel free to make suggestions on the format.
Mike, more than the format, have you considered asking for help with the overall look? I loved the design of the cards, with more useful information all in the hand, but they don't look appealling. I know "look" is the least important thing in a gaming aid, but at least for me, that's why I decided to go with the standard RRT cards. Maybe you can ask someone to use his/hers skills in photoshop (or whatever) to improve fonts, overall image quality, etc
I can barely know some basics in photoshop, but I'm sure if you ask in RTU or here, someone could help you with the style and graphic part of the cards.
I do these in Power Point so I keep them somewhat simple. I did do some with a nicer background and people had asked for me to do some with simpler or no background whatsoever so that they could print them at home. If someone wants to jazz them up I'm all for it and can send them the PPT files to work with. And YES......looks are always important for a game.
A few examples of altering them by adding a border and strengthening the background. I could also make the missile markers round or have them look cooler. The ones I use are basically from a table that is inserted into the page.
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Swabby wrote: Too much Nodal wars up in this here RRT thread.
LOL, well, if we had actual RRT news to talk about things might be different. People seem to have gotten tired of simply bashing PB, often rightfully so, so until people play some more RRT......
How about discussing ways to improve the infamous Blast Rules?
wilycoyote wrote: I do not mind Mike's efforts at all, at least it gives you an option to use those RTT models that I painstakingly put together.
Can I ask one thing Mike? I love the artwork for the datasheets but it is not really printer cost friendly, any chance of a stripped back design,
Admiittedlly I could print up one and then produce BW copies but given the initial number of sheets needed - I know I am a cheapskarte but....
I don't have them for Nodal Wars but that would be easy to do. The wiki page has all the RRT ones that I did with the backgrounds removed to reduce the color count.
Swabby is correct in that it isn't technically a Robotech post since it's about his Nodal Wars rules. They may be based off of the Robotech ruleset and copy the Macross stats but he's expanded it to two other eras and beyond which makes the pertinent part a minority of the whole. He has made other topics IIRC on them but they don't get the traffic or response that posting here does so he updates us on a related topic.
Mike is right in that there isn't much else to talk about here. Palladium is about as easy to engage in real discussion as with a bag of donkey genitalia and we're just complaining in circles. Nesbet has brought some refreshing new blood to the thread with his game reports and hobby efforts but we're still like that episode of Stargate with the same 20 minds stuck in a shared virtual reality for centuries desparate for new experiences.
How about a compromise? (since I have all the adjudicating power here on Dakka of a wet mop) Mike posts his PART of his update (like a few sentances and ONE sample card) and then clearly asks that actual discussion of the news take place in the appropriate topic that he'll link convienently in the same post.
warboss wrote: Swabby is correct in that it isn't technically a Robotech post since it's about his Nodal Wars rules. They may be based off of the Robotech ruleset and copy the Macross stats but he's expanded it to two other eras and beyond which makes the pertinent part a minority of the whole. He has made other topics IIRC on them but they don't get the traffic or response that posting here does so he updates us on a related topic.
Mike is right in that there isn't much else to talk about here. Palladium is about as easy to engage in real discussion as with a bag of donkey genitalia and we're just complaining in circles. Nesbet has brought some refreshing new blood to the thread with his game reports and hobby efforts but we're still like that episode of Stargate with the same 20 minds stuck in a shared virtual reality for centuries desparate for new experiences.
How about a compromise? (since I have all the adjudicating power here on Dakka of a wet mop) Mike posts his PART of his update (like a few sentances and ONE sample card) and then clearly asks that actual discussion of the news take place in the appropriate topic that he'll link convienently in the same post.
Which is fine. I had not posted much on Nodal Wars TBH. If a few pics get's someone uncomfortable then that is unfortunate.
I certainly wouldn't dream of speaking for the moderators, but Dakka has always struck me as kind of an 'on topic' sort of forum.
I'm certainly guilty of the occasional divergence, tangent, or shenanigans, but larger/ongoing topics (and a WIP game is certainly both) does kind of stretch incredulity in that regard. :-P
Honestly, if this thread goes a couple of days or weeks without posts, it's not like it gets locked and junked.
But it is funny in a way. As I pointed out, the most consistent activity may be slinging mud and occasional bits of poop, but if it weren't for said mockery, the topic would go literally months without anyone saying much at all.
It shows an existing and disappointed fanbase, and frankly, money on consistently being left on the table by PB.
I still think it'd be hilarious if there was a Nodal Wars tournament at Gencon but nothing more than the usual demos for RRT.
But it is funny in a way. As I pointed out, the most consistent activity may be slinging mud and occasional bits of poop, but if it weren't for said mockery, the topic would go literally months without anyone saying much at all.
I disagree i've posted pics of my items i'm making and Nesbet has posted his stuff too, but as it goes even the poop slinging has diminished as of late. and PB must be overjoyed.
But it is funny in a way. As I pointed out, the most consistent activity may be slinging mud and occasional bits of poop, but if it weren't for said mockery, the topic would go literally months without anyone saying much at all.
I disagree i've posted pics of my items i'm making and Nesbet has posted his stuff too, but as it goes even the poop slinging has diminished as of late. and PB must be overjoyed.
It's hard to continue to care about a subject that even the original designers have completely given up on, especially when they're constantly dishonest to even themselves about their level of non-involvement. If it weren't for the efforts of the few folks churning out their own Wave 2 or replacement game systems, this thread would have long withered away.
I'd love to be able to contribute more of my own pics of completed models, but my RRT stuff has gone to the bottom of the stack as I attempt to catch up on the backlog of other unpainted models for games I feel I'm much more likely (or actually have) managed to play. Right now, Bolt Action has drifted to the top of the pile for me. Heck, I've even done a few X-Wing (lite) repaints of late, and that stuff already comes pre-painted.
But it is funny in a way. As I pointed out, the most consistent activity may be slinging mud and occasional bits of poop, but if it weren't for said mockery, the topic would go literally months without anyone saying much at all.
I disagree i've posted pics of my items i'm making and Nesbet has posted his stuff too, but as it goes even the poop slinging has diminished as of late. and PB must be overjoyed.
It's hard to continue to care about a subject that even the original designers have completely given up on, especially when they're constantly dishonest to even themselves about their level of non-involvement. If it weren't for the efforts of the few folks churning out their own Wave 2 or replacement game systems, this thread would have long withered away.
I'd love to be able to contribute more of my own pics of completed models, but my RRT stuff has gone to the bottom of the stack as I attempt to catch up on the backlog of other unpainted models for games I feel I'm much more likely (or actually have) managed to play. Right now, Bolt Action has drifted to the top of the pile for me. Heck, I've even done a few X-Wing (lite) repaints of late, and that stuff already comes pre-painted.
well right now i'm working on a super guardian, then might work on my FPA's or Alphas or Betas, or Invid or Zentradi troopers hovertanks or who knows.
To my eyes, the biggest thing you could do to improve the cards is to create a more structured arrangement for the various bits of data; right now the placements of the various blocks of data looks a bit haphazard.
To my eyes, the biggest thing you could do to improve the cards is to create a more structured arrangement for the various bits of data; right now the placements of the various blocks of data looks a bit haphazard.
They are all set up in the same way with Faction and availability on the top left and name on the top right. I'm not quite sure what you mean. Could you be a bit more specific? Thanks for taking a look!
Sorry for not being very clear; I'm not a designer or anything so I don't really know how to explain this sort of thing properly. I put together a quick demo as quickly as I could to try to show you what I mean (left out the mech outlines, and since I don't know what all the data means I just presented it as best I could):
In this card I collected data into specific areas based on type/how it should be displayed, rather than having it scattered all around. But more importantly I aligned everything; data that didn't align easily was encapsulated in frames that were more easily aligned. I don't have frames of different sizes floating in the middle of the card, flanked by unframed images.
Well, that's the kind of thing that looks good to me. I dunno if that's any use to you or not. I put it together in HTML, which has the advantage of being easy to change the text and stuff once you've managed to get everything into place nicely (which is unfortunately not always very easy...), if you want I can try to help you put together an HTML template to work with if you decide to go that route.
By the way, I noticed in your weapon table you have "type" written twice; I think the first time should be something like "weapon name" or something.
Automatically Appended Next Post: That will work fine for some things. Once you get to Veritechs it won't since they have different HTH, Movement, GN, PIL and all in each of the modes. I'll mess with it though.
Are you all excited already? I'ts thursday PWU! -.-
Well, they are even late with that, usually coming on Fridays nowadays. I think they started with PWU on mondays? xD
And a VT, the Super VT is going to get really really crowded. I'll have to take a look at that. Thanks guys.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, what do you guys think of the Blast rules and how would you improve them if you were to do your own? I'm curious since a group of us worked on the revision and I have done my own. Always room for improvement....
Mike....i would suggest NOT having all missile options on the card but just a separate card for each misdile load. Even the standard vf card looks crowded with all missile options on it.
Got it. So we can all go to your Robotech facebook page and discuss at length every other minis ruleset instead of Robotech even after folks ask that we take it elsewhere. Got it. Unless of course you're going to pull a NMI and be a total hypocrite...
You have multiple nodal wars threads that you created specifically to discuss this ALTERNATE ruleset. I have no problem with you updating us occasionally on new stuff with it since it can be used for Robotech as well but it shouldn't derail the whole thread into "mike's powerpoint card design panel discussion for other rules".
Asterios wrote: I've got hovertanks in all mode, Alphas, Betas in all modes, FPAs, various Invid, Zentraedi Warriors, sled less Bioroids and the list goes on.
Good casting work from what I see on the right.
I may have to perform something similar.
You convinced me, I will have to fabricate bases.
You are being quite serious in getting a hoard of models together: well done.
Asterios wrote: I've got hovertanks in all mode, Alphas, Betas in all modes, FPAs, various Invid, Zentraedi Warriors, sled less Bioroids and the list goes on.
Good casting work from what I see on the right.
I may have to perform something similar.
You convinced me, I will have to fabricate bases.
You are being quite serious in getting a hoard of models together: well done.
I love having a bunch of models to go pew pew pew with, and lord knows PB is never putting anything out.
Note: Robotech® and Palladium Fantasy® paper minis also available.
*snip*
In between, I’ve been working a little on The Rifter® #75, HoH Arsenal™ and Secrets of Atlanteans™, lining up artists for several projects, meeting with business and creative people, and prepping and planning for Robotech® RPG Tactics™.
Rejoice! The last almost two years of supposed toiling behind the scenes have NOT been in vain! We have...*drum roll* standees to show for the Year of SIlence and its ongoing sequel!
Note: Robotech® and Palladium Fantasy® paper minis also available.
*snip*
In between, I’ve been working a little on The Rifter® #75, HoH Arsenal™ and Secrets of Atlanteans™, lining up artists for several projects, meeting with business and creative people, and prepping and planning for Robotech® RPG Tactics™.
Rejoice! The last almost two years of supposed toiling behind the scenes have NOT been in vain! We have...*drum roll* standees to show for the Year of SIlence and its ongoing sequel!
Asterios wrote: I've got hovertanks in all mode, Alphas, Betas in all modes, FPAs, various Invid, Zentraedi Warriors, sled less Bioroids and the list goes on.
Good casting work from what I see on the right.
I may have to perform something similar.
You convinced me, I will have to fabricate bases.
You are being quite serious in getting a hoard of models together: well done.
I love having a bunch of models to go pew pew pew with, and lord knows PB is never putting anything out.
Well, you can do the "pew pew" with PB, you just have to hold your nose to get the right effect - and no models.
3 months of nothing? Wow, Palladium. Way to steal my money! I had put this crap behind me but someone mentioned it out in internet land so I decided to check in. Nothing's changed! That's absolutely amazing and hilarious.
You could try heavy gear. The new rules are free on drivethrurpg but youll have to make your own custom msch stats and costs. Haven't played this version so can't definitely say if good. Horizon Wars isnt free but has free pdf transforming mech add ons and is completely customizable.
warboss wrote: You could try heavy gear. The new rules are free on drivethrurpg but youll have to make your own custom msch stats and costs. Haven't played this version so can't definitely say if good. Horizon Wars isnt free but has free pdf transforming mech add ons and is completely customizable.
Stormonu wrote:Does that SDF-1 transform? It looks articulated enough it could.
Nope, not really. It's a hasegawa kit, which means is mainly meant for painting. That said, the back of the ship detachs from the front to ease painting, and the ARMDs (and arms) are no only poseable but also detachable, and even have an optional piece to hide the connection to the arm.
Talizvar wrote:I hate my brain some days.
Now all I can think of is possible stats for the SDF-1 in SW Armada. Never mind squadron stats.
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Well, if it's any consolation, you're not the only one
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Look about in scale with the Victory Class Star Destroyer!
Well... not really. A Vic is 900 meters long, whereas the SDF-1 is 1210 so it's kind of big for Armada.
Doesn't Warboss have some Halo ships painted up like Zentraidi ships?
I could totally go in for some Macross Armada - though straight up, it'd be kinda lop-sided, until you threw in the Masters, Invid and New Generation ships.
Did a company trying to make money off of three dimensional minis really just release free paper standees for the miniatures that they are currently trying to sell?
I am totally boggled. Paper standees sucked in 1984, no one wants this dung.
SDCC Robotech panel videos are up thanks to RobotechX.
I mainly fast forwarded through it (lots of plushies, super deformed toys, 5 ft tall veritechs "toys", etc) as it was devoid of Tactics info. Some interesting news for me was a 1/55 scale MAC II. One guy asked about tactics at the very end of the first video near the start of the Q&A (mainly in relation to Invid) and was largely hand waved off with a response of Kevin Siembieda having plans for stuff. I might have missed it due to fast forwarding but I didn't see a mention at all of Palladium. Usually they've been recycling the same spiel about Palladium as the longest licensee with such a successful kickstarter (preceded by how expensive and sought after the old Dark Horse minis were) for years but they seem to have trimmed that out after 3 years as not worthy of bragging rights anymore.
@warboss: I sat through those panel videos.
Those guys are cut from the same cloth as Kevin.
Lots of excitement and hints but much what they "cant" tell us.
Never seen so much hype for plushies and super deformed metal toys.
Love the question posed of "what was your favorite episode", I honestly think many of them had no idea.
What a farce that was.
Did not even have the decency to research the IP fluff.
I am shocked by their lack of intelligence and professionalism.
But hey, everyone wants a plushie!!
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Kid_Kyoto wrote: One fifty fifth scale monster?
Repeat that part please?
I heard it, saw it and thought: that will be stupid.
There was a similar sized metal VT which they would not comment if it transformed.
"go big or go home" indeed.
I think the boys felt they dodged a bullet on the RRT question about Invid... "first the initial kickstarter needs to be done"... let us not let that train of thought continue "oh look: a plushie for you!!".
Talizvar wrote: @warboss: I sat through those panel videos.
Those guys are cut from the same cloth as Kevin.
Lots of excitement and hints but much what they "cant" tell us.
Never seen so much hype for plushies and super deformed metal toys.
Love the question posed of "what was your favorite episode", I honestly think many of them had no idea.
What a farce that was.
Did not even have the decency to research the IP fluff.
I am shocked by their lack of intelligence and professionalism.
But hey, everyone wants a plushie!!
Eh, you plug what you've got. And, admittedly, they've got alot more this year than in previous ones since they previously highlighted Palladium so much. Don't get me wrong... I've got no interest in plushies, superdeformed stuff, or T-shirts but at least that info was new and in addition to the other toys. And, yeah, that was a bad bit there. I fast forwarded usually 45 sec to a minute after watching for 10 seconds or so (rinse, lather, repeat) and happened across the comic book guy getting ambushed by the presenter when he suddenly turned the answer to the favorite episode question over to the panel. Watching him struggle on the spot and come up with "gosh... so many... one of the early ones... yeah, one of the first three." because he couldn't remember any episode name or even a single discrete episode plot was awkwardly painful. So no mention of Palladium other than the one Q&A guy?
Yup. That's a pretty big "toy". They had a grainy pic of the prototype fig next to some 1/55 or 1/60 veritechs. They also had a 1/9 scale (yes that number is correct... it'll be as tall as a teenager) veritech that they were hinting was transformable and they had a pic of it from a Chinese con in jet mode.
I remember when these plushies first came out (before the kickstarter) and on the old Robotech site (before they decided that dealing with fans on their forun was too much work) people questioned why McKeever was hailing these things as a major product release instead of focusing on stuff like, oh, let's say, a continuation of Shadow. He got really offended that people didn't like the plushies and how others told him they were great and how they are going to sell really well.
I guess they never took off.
HG and PB are such perfect partners, neither one is competent.
I thought I should copypaste this, that recently popped up in the RTU group:
GREETINGS FELLOW PROTOCULTURE ADDICTS!
I bring tidings of great joy, and with luck, maybe some answers!
Matthew Lemke of Through Gamer Goggles is going to be interviewing Palladium, and potentially Kevin Sembieda at Gencon. I'm going to be giving him questions to ask them about the status of ROBOTECH RPG TACTICS and the impact he's had on the community and backers, especially considering there's been no update since April.
However, I may miss some critical questions that really need to be asked, this is where I need your help. Please, in the comments below, Submit questions you'd like Matthew to ask during the interview. So that I can pick out the questions easier (because I know what's going to happen to this post), please start your questions with ' ** ' so that I can find it easier. If you guys double up on a question, it's not a problem, I'm going to see what I can do about weighting the questions' urgencies to make sure that Matthew makes them as pressing as possible, and doesn't let them wriggle out so easily.
Please, for the sake of ease, keep this professional, keep this clean. I know tempers are still running hot (I'm no exclusion) but this could be a chance to get some answers that've been severely lacking for the last 3 months of no updates (keep in mind, they never even did their "We're going to GenCon" post)
Thanks in advance guys.
Hurry up and reply in RTU or here and I copypaste your suggestions there!
warboss wrote: So no mention of Palladium other than the one Q&A guy?
Yeah, he was the only one.
They mentioned "Kevin has many plans" which boiled down to "he is handling that, and this is us" which seemed to discourage further questions in that direction.
It is funny how the new HG executive was there "to thank the fans personally"... seemed more to humor them.
Must be a strange position to be in to feel important but realize you are the purveyor of "man dollies" to that crowd and many others like them.
I must admit I was surprised at the turnout, it was a sizable crowd.
I keep feeling like I am the strange one in my area, these events and forums like these make it not so bad.
I wish you guys luck, but my inner cynic can't help that at best they'll get ignored or fed the usual pablum, and at worst will simply end the interview outright.
Their love of self aggrandizement is matched only by their loathing of anything less than gushing adoration. The moment an interview turns remotely 'negative' (not even actually negative, but merely perceived as not being 100% on their side) I can't imagine it'll be continued/productive.
Maybe I'm wrong, but 'the community' has tried sending pertinent questions out before. They usually just get ignored, and sometimes asking too loudly/too often gets you banned from the forums/their Facebook page.
Not saying people shouldn't put forth some hard hitting questions, I just don't think they'll get answered with anything but cliches and vague assurances.
@Nesbet: I think the #1 question burning in my mind is this:
**"What is the reasoning for keeping details for wave 2 efforts secret since it is being worked on?
Saying nothing is far worse than admitting having tried something and did not work out: these things happen.
The long duration of time exceeding the wave1 shipment is pointing to serious problems."
It is wordy but the added points are to discourage the vague garbage I got at Anime North. I would love to phrase it differently but I know Kevin will not even try to answer if it was more forceful than that.
Not to pour some cold hard facts on this but Matt Lemke/Gamer Googles has interviewed Palladium multiple times at Gencon AND the Open House since the kickstarter funded and started screwing up. His interviews are fluff pieces are usually ill prepared soft ball questions followed by uncomfortable silences inbetween monologues by Kevin or his employees with no followup questions about the spin or lies response he gets. He's the guy who brought us the BEST EVAR! Demo game on youtube with chief demo volunteer guy NMi in which he literally made a mistake in every step of the game during the first 5 minutes I watched. In previous interviews, he'd ask about the delays politely and then just nod and mumble "mmmm hmmm" as Kevin basically recited a half dozen murmurs worth of platitudes and vague assurances. He simply accepts whatever Kevin offers no questions asked.
And warboss... It's kinda dissapointing that Matt Lemke could be so soft, but it's better than nothing. Maybe it's worth the shot, maybe it isn't but I think we must try. Again. And again.
n815e wrote: No, that was the Gamers on Games guy.
Yeah, that was Dave "Knighthwawk" Simpson who, before his rage fueled convienently timed fugue state caused him to spam post hundreds of times on one Robotech update, pretty much did the same thing at Gencon with softball interviews for two years. Let's face it.. if you want to interview anyone at palladium more than once in your life for more than 30 seconds, you hand them softball questions and don't ever point out the flaws in their response.
Stormonu wrote: @Nesbit - it's the question that keeps getting asked:
** "Will Wayne ever get us the Wave 2 breakdown were promised in Feb 2016?"
And others....
** "Will the Rick and Roy models be custom in some way or just generic VT models with special decals and cards?"
** "What's the state of the other resin items - objectives, Max in Zent disguise, etc."
** "Will we ever see Wave 2 standees and cards posted on Drive-thru RPG?"
As Warboss points out, the first question relates to something literally over a year ago (July 10th).
And as others have mentioned, I don't expect any hard hitting questions to get a response beyond pablum or "This interview is over". It's clear Kevin has a king sized ego, and a sensitivity to match.
But if I had to ask one question (that hasn't been asked yet) and get an answer, mine would be something like
**"You've missed several speculative dates, and there is no current estimate, as you're obviously tired of the backlash when you miss them. But now that you know all the work required to get this project complete, what is your worst case estimate? When is it guaranteed to be finished by?"
Because the problem at the moment is this long stretching into oblivion kicking of the can down the road. And as long as they keep getting to do that, I doubt there'll ever be a resolution. I'd have added "before refunds get issued" to the end, but there's no way he'd answer that, even though the timetable would be up to him. Just the date would be interesting. If it's less than 18 months, it locks him in. If it's more than 3, backers will know where they stand.
warboss wrote: Didn't wayne promise that in mid 2015? I don't think he repeated that this year.
Late Feb 2015 was the 5 sprue breakdowns.
Late Feb/Early March 2016 was the reveal of the Armored/YF-4/SDF-1 prototypes.
As Morgan notes, Wayne promised us the details on where everything stood in July 2015. It's been over a year, but not by a lot.
It remains amusing to me how many *years* have gone by where things kind of fade/blur together. "When was it that ND said they were done? Early 2014? No, that's when wave one went out... oh right, early 2015, but they said they'd handed them over months ago, so presumably late (or earlier) 2014..."
It remains amusing to me how many *years* have gone by where things kind of fade/blur together. "When was it that ND said they were done? Early 2014? No, that's when wave one went out... oh right, early 2015, but they said they'd handed them over months ago, so presumably late (or earlier) 2014..."
It's understandable though when the production of half the sculpts is several THOUSAND percent overdue compared with the date we were given when paying.
It remains amusing to me how many *years* have gone by where things kind of fade/blur together. "When was it that ND said they were done? Early 2014? No, that's when wave one went out... oh right, early 2015, but they said they'd handed them over months ago, so presumably late (or earlier) 2014..."
It's understandable though when the production of half the sculpts is several THOUSAND percent overdue compared with the date we were given when paying.
Not sure if hyperbole for humourous effect, but the original target was 7 months, it has been 38, or about 5.5 times the original target.
550%'ish (give or take an acceptable level of perfect accuracy) of target, so 450% overdue; not quite "a thousand percent", let alone "several thousand".
Apologies if you were just making a joke that blew over my head.
And obviously that's still massively unacceptable. As per my usual reference, if I tell my boss that I'll have a report done in a month, and approaching half a year later I've only shared the first 1/3, he'd be understandably angry.
Forar wrote: Not sure if hyperbole for humourous effect, but the original target was 7 months, it has been 38, or about 5.5 times the original target.
550%'ish (give or take an acceptable level of perfect accuracy) of target, so 450% overdue; not quite "a thousand percent", let alone "several thousand".
Apologies if you were just making a joke that blew over my head.
And obviously that's still massively unacceptable. As per my usual reference, if I tell my boss that I'll have a report done in a month, and approaching half a year later I've only shared the first 1/3, he'd be understandably angry.
No hyperbole but rather I just chose my words carefully and the significance of the wording may not be readily apparent. I referred specifically to the start of production of the rewards, a statement that even with all the added stretch goals was kept at the original "estimate" of 40 days post kickstarter without change despite the added scope. You're instead referring to end fulfillment of those rewards. Since we are now 38 months post funding according to your count with no indication that wave 2 has begun said production, that means we're now 1,140 days (30 days per month on average) post funding when the full production run was supposed to start at 40 days post funding. 1,140-40 = 1,100. 1,100/40 =27.5 x 100% = 2,750% late on the start of production.
edit: corrected minor math cut/paste leftover error
warboss wrote: SDCC Robotech panel videos are up thanks to RobotechX.
I mainly fast forwarded through it (lots of plushies, super deformed toys, 5 ft tall veritechs "toys", etc) as it was devoid of Tactics info. Some interesting news for me was a 1/55 scale MAC II. One guy asked about tactics at the very end of the first video near the start of the Q&A (mainly in relation to Invid) and was largely hand waved off with a response of Kevin Siembieda having plans for stuff. I might have missed it due to fast forwarding but I didn't see a mention at all of Palladium. Usually they've been recycling the same spiel about Palladium as the longest licensee with such a successful kickstarter (preceded by how expensive and sought after the old Dark Horse minis were) for years but they seem to have trimmed that out after 3 years as not worthy of bragging rights anymore.
I watched the whole video and other then that one part with that guy asking about the invid that was it, but a major explosive announcement was also made, when they asked the guy and audience if they would like to see more invid miniatures from other companies which makes one wonder if HG might be cutting off PB soon and opening up the market to other companies that can and will produce said product?
question starts here: around 34 minutes, 46 seconds for some reason the start point is not working.
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Nesbet wrote: I thought I should copypaste this, that recently popped up in the RTU group:
Hurry up and reply in RTU or here and I copypaste your suggestions there!
I dropped out of the RTU group because got tired of people posting anything that caught their fancy even though it was not even Robotech related by a long shot or at all.
n815e wrote: No, that was the Gamers on Games guy.
Yeah, that was Dave "Knighthwawk" Simpson who, before his rage fueled convienently timed fugue state caused him to spam post hundreds of times on one Robotech update, pretty much did the same thing at Gencon with softball interviews for two years. Let's face it.. if you want to interview anyone at palladium more than once in your life for more than 30 seconds, you hand them softball questions and don't ever point out the flaws in their response.
It is funny, then, that Dave is the one pushing Matt to ask the hardball questions.
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I watched the whole video and other then that one part with that guy asking about the invid that was it, but a major explosive announcement was also made, when they asked the guy and audience if they would like to see more invid miniatures from other companies which makes one wonder if HG might be cutting off PB soon and opening up the market to other companies that can and will produce said product?
More likely they are still under the impression from PB that GHQ is going to make metal Invid.
Forar wrote: Pretty sure the original premise was that they were going to start production in that time period, not finish it.
The math works out from that angle, sure.
Yup. I was referring to the start of production as was palladium with their 40 day estimate. To our knowledge, wave 2 hasn't started production 1,100+ days after their 40 day 98% done claim has past.
I watched the whole video and other then that one part with that guy asking about the invid that was it, but a major explosive announcement was also made, when they asked the guy and audience if they would like to see more invid miniatures from other companies which makes one wonder if HG might be cutting off PB soon and opening up the market to other companies that can and will produce said product?
More likely they are still under the impression from PB that GHQ is going to make metal Invid.
that will never happen since it would cost PB money to make the mold its why we never got the comanchero or Cats Eye.
I watched the whole video and other then that one part with that guy asking about the invid that was it, but a major explosive announcement was also made, when they asked the guy and audience if they would like to see more invid miniatures from other companies which makes one wonder if HG might be cutting off PB soon and opening up the market to other companies that can and will produce said product?
It seemed to me like a "hey kids do you like even more Robotech?" type question, which they clearly know is a yes coming from a room full of fanboys, much like do you want to see streaming Robotech, more Robotech toys, more Robotech flapjacks and cereal, etc. Sure, because they are fans everyone wants to see more, however how often does rallying a fan response at a con actually translate into new products? They've announced tons of different toy items only to drop them or produce some terrible piece of crap. The MPC toys are total junk and fall apart just sitting on a shelf yet people clamor for more at the panel discussions. I wouldn't read into panel events too heavily as it's usually all just a hyping effort.
If PB have anything to do with them, I'd forget it. You'd be 3 months early, and it'll come in 50 different pieces, and taste of something that has been on the deck of a boat for 4 weeks sailing from Japan.
Conrad Turner wrote: If PB have anything to do with them, I'd forget it. You'd be 3 months early, and it'll come in 50 different pieces, and taste of something that has been on the deck of a boat for 4 weeks sailing from Japan.
I dropped out of the RTU group because got tired of people posting anything that caught their fancy even though it was not even Robotech related by a long shot or at all.
No idea how it was before, but I have enjoyed mostly all the material that came up in the last months...
As I posted over at the Kicktarter page; I wrote to KS support either late Thursday or early Friday because it's been 3 months since there was an "official" update, right? Because I'm tired of platitudes from both Kickstarter and PB I ended my message with the quite courteous missive "If you plan on sending me a form letter detailing how I am important but you can't force a project creator to uphold their promise/s then I respectfully request you insert that form letter horizontally in your anal sphincter."
I have received no form letter. Makes me wonder who is sitting funny in the KS office this morning.
Just thought you guys would get a kick out of that, and now I go back to doing my best to ignore this waste of my money and time.
They used 633 words, when 3 would have had the same effect. "Soon, we promise.".
I'm guessing they wanted to head off hostility at GenCon? Meh.
We did learn some stuff from the update.
1. Given normal turnarounds for production and delivery, Wave 2 in 2016 is a diminishing possibility. And they look to be deferring decision until after GenCon, so more and more likely any production and delivery will hit the end of year delays. So, 2017 if at all.
2. They are shopping for a new manufacturer, that's not promising. At all. So, making the leap of faith that RRT would somehow relaunch, how are they going to keep two different set of production dies going? For wave 1 stuff, when they run out, can they just call up the old factory to order a new batch, or are they permanently out of production? I have this feeling they didn't even consider this question...
3. They suck. They really suck. Just having newer renders of the wave two stuff would count as an update. Instead, we get a 630 "Loren Ipsum".
They used 633 words, when 3 would have had the same effect. "Soon, we promise.".
I'm guessing they wanted to head off hostility at GenCon? Meh.
We did learn some stuff from the update.
1. Given normal turnarounds for production and delivery, Wave 2 in 2016 is a diminishing possibility. And they look to be deferring decision until after GenCon, so more and more likely any production and delivery will hit the end of year delays. So, 2017 if at all.
2. They are shopping for a new manufacturer, that's not promising. At all. So, making the leap of faith that RRT would somehow relaunch, how are they going to keep two different set of production dies going? For wave 1 stuff, when they run out, can they just call up the old factory to order a new batch, or are they permanently out of production? I have this feeling they didn't even consider this question...
3. They suck. They really suck. Just having newer renders of the wave two stuff would count as an update. Instead, we get a 630 "Loren Ipsum".
1) Well, I figured that was a given, and has been since Adepticon, when we heard second hand that it wasn't going to. Couple that with no mention of "starting manufacturing soon" which I figure will be at least six months from the earliest they'll start. Because the P in PB stands for Procrastination (the B stands for the excrement of a male cow).
2) Not only didn't they ask the question, I'd bet good money that PB don't even realise that even if they can get the original dies from the first company (not a given, at least not without some sort of extortive demand), and even if the dies arrived at the new company undamaged (again, not a given), that die machines aren't universal. It's possible that it will be compatible, but that's unlikely at best. And that's assuming that they're still using the same material, which they've mentioned possibly changing. Molds are based on not just what's needed, but what temperature and pressure is required to properly "cure" the plastic. And that varies from material to material.
3) Can't disagree. Waiting for the next time PB step on their own junk. Cause that's all they seem capable of.
I dropped out of the RTU group because got tired of people posting anything that caught their fancy even though it was not even Robotech related by a long shot or at all.
No idea how it was before, but I have enjoyed mostly all the material that came up in the last months...
the photos of the models was my stuff, which is no longer there, got tired of people shilling their KS in the group.
So we have now confirmation that production has NOT started on wave 2 and they haven't even decided on a manufacturer yet to even get into the months long queue. Looks like a 4,000% delay on that production start is possible!
It amuses me in a bad bad way that I just received another Kickstarter's update that essentially meant a small team has produced an entire OVA episode between that Kickstarter's end (Sep 2014) and now.
I like how they release all the Zentraedi Wave 2 paper minis...but fail to release half the force cards for them. LOL. Failures. We are still missing the official force cards for infantry, gnerls and the two other male and female PA variants you dolts!
warboss wrote: So we have now confirmation that production has NOT started on wave 2 and they haven't even decided on a manufacturer yet to even get into the months long queue. Looks like a 4,000% delay on that production start is possible!
Hell, looks like a 500% delivery date (May 2017) is completely out of the question too.
Though to be honest, I don't expect it to ever deliver. Even if they haven't pissed away all the money, with the inflationry pressures in manufacturing and shipping, they'll never be able to afford it. At least not for international backers. And that's assuming they were actually working at it. That there's no tangible proof after so long, despite over a year at it, how they can say "none of the waiting yields visual results that we can share at this time" just reeks of bull manure. How are they making an assessment on different parts counts, mold styles, material changes, or any of the other crap they profess to be doing, if they're getting nothing they can show to backers?
And if "the fulfillment of Wave Two rewards is extremely important to us" is true, I'd be curious to see what their version of "we honestly just couldn't give a toss" would be. Because I don't think I can tell the difference between the former, and what I imagine for the latter.
Personally I think they would at least deliver something, possibly of dubious quality.
The problem is, as a gaming line, it essentially doesn't have a future any more. So it's really just for the minis now.
I sort of chalk up their lack of visual due to them being so thin skinned and knowing any visuals will invite criticism. PB traditionally has been a very wordy company, even their RPG books don't contain a lot of visuals.
They used 633 words, when 3 would have had the same effect. "Soon, we promise.".
I'm guessing they wanted to head off hostility at GenCon? Meh.
We did learn some stuff from the update.
1. Given normal turnarounds for production and delivery, Wave 2 in 2016 is a diminishing possibility. And they look to be deferring decision until after GenCon, so more and more likely any production and delivery will hit the end of year delays. So, 2017 if at all.
We already knew 2016 was a bust when they said so at the beginning of the year.
It's looking like 2017 is going to be out, too, unless they miraculously come up with a plan and the money in the next couple of months.
Lynx7725 wrote: 2. They are shopping for a new manufacturer, that's not promising. At all. So, making the leap of faith that RRT would somehow relaunch, how are they going to keep two different set of production dies going? For wave 1 stuff, when they run out, can they just call up the old factory to order a new batch, or are they permanently out of production? I have this feeling they didn't even consider this question...
Since they spent ALL the money on Wave 1 to fill their warehouse, they are going to be good for a long time.
my wave two stuff could arrive today and i still will not play or oromote this game. The minis will get used for alpha strike whete applicable or as whole using mekton zeta tactical until i can do them up in silcore (heavy gear/jovian chronicles)
Wow....looks like they posted wave two zentraedi stand ins but did not post the game cards for them which was supposedly WHY we have been waiting so long.....
Wow, NMI was even moved to comment in the update - no suprise whose side he favored...
What a complete load of nothing. That they not only cannot admit their utter failure by dawdling for nearly two years on Wave 2 but want to relaunch a third time just shows how utterly clueless they are.
I sort of chalk up their lack of visual due to them being so thin skinned and knowing any visuals will invite criticism. PB traditionally has been a very wordy company, even their RPG books don't contain a lot of visuals.
Having produced some of my own RPG books, PB's books don't contain many visuals because illustrations are expensive. Basically, words are cheap, and like these updates you can spill a few hundred of them and they don't cost much at all.
As for the visuals, they're not displaying anything because there is nothing TO display. If they had done any actual work they would be falling all over themselves to show it off and shut up the negativety that's brewing.
I guess we now know that all those "calls to China" was a bunch of BS, since they don't even have a manufacturer lined up...
Brandon Aten, Shawn Merrow, Red Duke games like the update. Aren't they all PB employees? I don't recognize the rest of the names since I don't follow Palladium authors for a few years. MidnightBlue rings a bell as well (and rhymes!).
Automatically Appended Next Post: In other news, hey, mad props to Palladium: They have finally managed to reduce parts number for all of Wave 2. Right down to zero, total, for all of it.
stanman wrote: Red Duke is Tom Roche, PB fan friend, unpaid cheerleader lacky that ran the Robotech Battles blog when he wasn't busy spooning Kevin.
Yeah, that one I knew. Brandon Aten is one of their authors as well (and I think a friend of Jaymz iirc). Not sure about midnight if he was a freelancer on their forums or not. I was suprised NMI wasn't on the list. I guess he was too busy probably trying to ban folks in the comments by proxy reporting them. He doesn't have control over their facebook page but I bet he is sure to let them know when the uncomfortable truth is being discussed and they need to sweep it all under the rug with a wave of bans. I did like the mention of the worst demo EVAR! on the comments.
stanman wrote: Red Duke is Tom Roche, PB fan friend, unpaid cheerleader lacky that ran the Robotech Battles blog when he wasn't busy spooning Kevin.
Yeah, that one I knew. Brandon Aten is one of their authors as well (and I think a friend of Jaymz iirc). Not sure about midnight if he was a freelancer on their forums or not. I was suprised NMI wasn't on the list. I guess he was too busy probably trying to ban folks in the comments by proxy reporting them. He doesn't have control over their facebook page but I bet he is sure to let them know when the uncomfortable truth is being discussed and they need to sweep it all under the rug with a wave of bans. I did like the mention of the worst demo EVAR! on the comments.
Pfft. He lied about the last time he posted (nice one, n815e), but we're to believe him about Facebook?
Final straw? That would imply some sort of a discrete effect. I don't think so. It's just more folks getting completely negative about the whole experience.
Nah, I think it's more simply being reminded of it brought that frustration back.
As for Midnight Blue, I'm pretty sure I remember arguing more than my fair share of rounds over some stupid stuff. The name is familiar, possibly one of those "all KS's are late, no I don't care if Dwarven Forge has delivered 2 (now approaching 4) similarly sized (backer count and amount of funding) projects on time!" types.
Morgan Vening wrote: 2) Not only didn't they ask the question, I'd bet good money that PB don't even realise that even if they can get the original dies from the first company (not a given, at least not without some sort of extortive demand), and even if the dies arrived at the new company undamaged (again, not a given), that die machines aren't universal. It's possible that it will be compatible, but that's unlikely at best. And that's assuming that they're still using the same material, which they've mentioned possibly changing. Molds are based on not just what's needed, but what temperature and pressure is required to properly "cure" the plastic. And that varies from material to material.
Sorry Morgan, but that's not quite true. Moulds are made to be as universal as possible. Where they aren't adaptor plates can be used.
Changing to a different material is not advised without either making a new mould [most likely the only solution] or rarely making major modifications to the existing moulds. This is due to different materials having different coefficients of thermal expansion. Good moulds have that built in to the actual dimensions so that as the injected material cools, you get the correct shape because of the known shrinkage of the material. Take a mould designs for HIPS [High Impact PolyStyrene] and use it for a form of PPVC and the shrinkage will be off. This may mean that the components shrink too much and warp, or they don't shrink enough and stick in the mould, meaning broken parts or twisted parts. The thicker the part, the more likely shrinkage will show. The best way to combat this is designing the mould so that the gate does not solidify too quickly. Pressure can then still be applied and more material pushed into the cavity whilst the other bits of the runner system cool and solidify.
Model runners are not made (Generally) out of Thermosetting plastic, and therefore do not "cure" at all. We are talking about a thermoplastic which can be heated and re-formed a number of times before it degrades to the point of being useless. Temperature required is indeed defined by the plastic, but is necessary to turn the pellets into a liquid that can be made to flow into the mould, nothing more. The pressure required has nothing at all to do with the plastic and everything to do with the size and shape of the cavity in the mould. Take a look at one 'sprue' from directly above. That is the area that we are talking about. The larger that area, the more pressure is required to inject the plastic and properly fill the mould. the more pressure required to fill the mould, the more pressure is required to stop the mould halves separating. It is this clamping force that is quoted as an injection machine's rating. Small machines can be around 5 tonnes, larger machines 100 tonnes or more. Then you need to cool the plastic so it is solid before you remove it from the mould, keeping pressure on it to compensate for the shrinkage as much as possible before the gate freezes. Most bent sprues are caused by a worker thinking he's 'optimising' the process and speeding up the cycle time so that the company can produce more per hour and finish the contract quicker. The plastic is not sufficiently hard enough on ejection and bends whilst sitting in the tray underneath the machine waiting to be sent for packing.
So although temperature and pressure do vary by material, they are much more dependant on mould design.
I've been starting work on adapting the Robotech series to the flightpath system - used by X-Wing, Star Trek Attack Wing and D&D Attack Wing.
This is a very rough draft at the moment, with only some of the Macross (UEDF and Zents) and a bit of the Invid converted. I haven't attempted to do point costs yet, nor have I had a chance for playtesting. Any opinions on what I do have I'd appreciate, though.
as it goes if backers want to do something? well here is what they can do, if they can get say a thousand backers who want to take down PB and sue them what you do is each of you pitch in say $10 or $5 if 2000 backers hire an attorney and sue PB for all its worth, the ball is in your court, think of it as a KS for anywhere from $5-10 you can bring down PB and overseas backers can get involved in a class action suit too.
Stormonu wrote: I've been starting work on adapting the Robotech series to the flightpath system - used by X-Wing, Star Trek Attack Wing and D&D Attack Wing.
This is a very rough draft at the moment, with only some of the Macross (UEDF and Zents) and a bit of the Invid converted. I haven't attempted to do point costs yet, nor have I had a chance for playtesting. Any opinions on what I do have I'd appreciate, though.
I'll take a peek tonight. I did some initial work myself on something similar when the kickstarter was announced FWIW.
Asterios wrote: as it goes if backers want to do something? well here is what they can do, if they can get say a thousand backers who want to take down PB and sue them what you do is each of you pitch in say $10 or $5 if 2000 backers hire an attorney and sue PB for all its worth, the ball is in your court, think of it as a KS for anywhere from $5-10 you can bring down PB and overseas backers can get involved in a class action suit too.
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At this point, I'm so enraged by this farce that I'm considering burning my Rifts rulebook. I hold on to it because I remember playing the game back in 9th grade, in the farthest back booth of a Jerry's Subs & Pizza, across the street from W. T. Woodson High School in Fairfax, VA. It was in my backpack as I walked home with one of the girls in our group (50/50 split, which amazes me these days). We were both goth kids, and she was wearing my old black trench coat, as I had just bought a new one and she always had liked the one I replaced. We were talking, and I finally told her I loved her, she replied in that she felt the same about me, and we kissed for the first time.
I remember all that, how great the night after that game was every time I'm going through my bookshelf and see that grey spine.
But now, when I see the Palladium Books logo, it pisses me off almost as much as the memories make me happy. That is how much I hate this company now. All they do is delay and feed backers the *exact same* line of crap (just rephrased) over and over. It's clear that they think backers have gotten what they paid for, and that we can just go pound sand. They claim that they have "other projects"? Nope, not from where I am. Get on it, PB. Devote at least one employee to sorting this mess out. I'm done with excuses, I'm done with platitudes, but most of all...
I am done with the lies.
They don't care, and most likely Wave 2 is vaporware. They're probably just afraid that one day Kevin will come out to his car and it will be a "carbecue" (this is not a course of action I am for, just not a thing that would surprise me) after some enraged fan springs into action after they admit that everybody has gotten what they're going to get, and even those who have gotten no reward are out of luck.
Is it bad that I'm less upset about being ignored than being fed the same old line of garbage over and over?
I thought you'd already launched your legal tsunami of doom? Or were all the threats just empty bluster like PB's updates?
this has nothing to do with me, it has to do with the rest of backers who are tired of nothing getting done and want to do something about it I did something, now its up to others to decide if they want to do something or not.
NMI must have done the rounds reporting upset backers to KS. I'm out of that storm for a few days, it seems (not that I much care, it's not like we'll see anything happen for another few months anyways). All I'd be doing at this point anyways is reposting the links to BBB, AG and whatnot (anyone want to take that up for me?)
All in on the facebook group - its time to take PB down, this has gone on for long enough. I wouldn't mind putting Kickstarter itself on the docket at this point. After all, they happily took their cut of the money, and don't feel a whit of responsibility for helping us out. Mayhaps if they were at least named in the suit they'd be a little more proactive towards projects that have gone as sidesways as this one.
You need a catchy name for the kickstarter... maybe BvS: Dawn of Infinite Justice? (backers vs Siembieda) Robotech Tactics Episode IV: The Crowdfunders Strike Back? Bored of the Lying: Return of the Bling?
Yeah, looks like my account at Kickstarter is under "review" however that turns out.
So yeah, no posting for me there for a bit.
Wonder how that little process got going?
Fun stuff, I am liking these folks less and less.
In a more perfect world, having piles of backers all get reported back to back would trigger a deeper look by Kickstarter and a team of elite assault lawyers.
But obviously we don't live in that more perfect world.
Though it does make me wonder when my slap on the wrist will show up.
Which part? Like most of the world I've been temporarily banned for not smiling while giving Kevin a Ruiz.
However, in their infinite generousness, I'm expecting that our friends at Kickstarter will still let me contribute money to projects over the next week.
"We have a dedicated Integrity team that monitors the system for suspicious activity. This team screens reports that are sent to us by our community and they take action if they find something that does not align with our rules.
It's important to remember that Kickstarter is built on an all-or-nothing funding system. No one is charged until a project meets its funding goal and the funding period ends. This gives backers time to fully evaluate a project, and it also gives our Integrity team some time to look into any concerns raised by backers."
That of course only applies before the end of the Kickstarter and the detailed evaluation consists probably of a quick google search and skimming the results.
I haven't posted anything in a few weeks, if not months, none of it vulgar or against their policy, but about 6 month ago I got very vulgar on there, so if it took them 6 months to block me for that, than they really need to hire more staff. It is funny that I got blocked but thieves are allowed to go about their business just fine. Is there a way for me to ask them what it was?
Oh hey, apparently I used a vulgar word on my last post which was actually just shy of 2 weeks ago....fair enough, a blocked ability to post, now hopefully Kickstarter will enforce their other rules too.
Ha! Ok! I am under review at KS for my "NMI not on my Christmas card list" comments, I am reasonably certain I had not used an expletive but certainly attacked his character.
Only one comment has been deleted so I do not feel so bad..
No easy to find postings on policy for this: anyone here know how long this ban lasts?
I even said Dakka is a good example for proper moderating... try to help a guy out... Reap what you sow I guess.
Funny though, I cannot find NMI comments anywhere now.
How does that man do these things?
He is smarter than I give credit.
Ah well, I will pretend to be posting here on the KS and maybe avoid future moderating.
<edit> ah, the thieves and liars comment got me.
Borrowers without intent of return and stretchers of truth??
N815e reported him. As far as Kickstarter is concerned, comments are totally superfluous - just kill anything that is mildly complained about and continue your day.
Talizvar wrote: Ha! Ok! I am under review at KS for my "NMI not on my Christmas card list" comments, I am reasonably certain I had not used an expletive but certainly attacked his character.
Only one comment has been deleted so I do not feel so bad..
No easy to find postings on policy for this: anyone here know how long this ban lasts?
I even said Dakka is a good example for proper moderating... try to help a guy out... Reap what you sow I guess.
Funny though, I cannot find NMI comments anywhere now.
How does that man do these things?
He is smarter than I give credit.
Ah well, I will pretend to be posting here on the KS and maybe avoid future moderating.
<edit> ah, the thieves and liars comment got me.
Borrowers without intent of return and stretchers of truth??
I may have said something about his disparaging and insulting remarks and his connection to PB.
HudsonD wrote: Ok, so, I was kidding about a crowdfunding effort to finance an actual lawyer... but then I also wasn't. I guess it won't happen on KS, however.
Who knows the rates for US lawyers ?
well right now we have a FB page for backers to see how many we can get involved and from there we can check with lawyers familiar with such suits and costs, but the more people involved the cheaper it will get.
here we go here is a page for the planning of bringing down PB legally.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/510264239170789/ all backers of RRT are welcome to join, but must adhere to the policies of the group
Talizvar wrote: Ha! Ok! I am under review at KS for my "NMI not on my Christmas card list" comments, I am reasonably certain I had not used an expletive but certainly attacked his character.
Only one comment has been deleted so I do not feel so bad..
No easy to find postings on policy for this: anyone here know how long this ban lasts?
I even said Dakka is a good example for proper moderating... try to help a guy out... Reap what you sow I guess.
Funny though, I cannot find NMI comments anywhere now.
How does that man do these things?
He is smarter than I give credit.
Ah well, I will pretend to be posting here on the KS and maybe avoid future moderating.
<edit> ah, the thieves and liars comment got me.
Borrowers without intent of return and stretchers of truth??
I've had a few choice comments myself on there and it's got me curious now which one set things off. Couldn't be the links to the various agencies to report these guys
well right now we have a FB page for backers to see how many we can get involved and from there we can check with lawyers familiar with such suits and costs, but the more people involved the cheaper it will get.
here we go here is a page for the planning of bringing down PB legally.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/510264239170789/ all backers of RRT are welcome to join, but must adhere to the policies of the group
Nope-nope™
... I'm not signing up on FB for this, if you've got some intel that'd be useful for everyone, you're welcome to post it here.
well right now we have a FB page for backers to see how many we can get involved and from there we can check with lawyers familiar with such suits and costs, but the more people involved the cheaper it will get.
here we go here is a page for the planning of bringing down PB legally.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/510264239170789/ all backers of RRT are welcome to join, but must adhere to the policies of the group
Nope-nope™
... I'm not signing up on FB for this, if you've got some intel that'd be useful for everyone, you're welcome to post it here.
well right now we are doing FB since it will help with coordination and communication in our endeavors, but will try to keep things informed here when I can.
Talizvar wrote: Ha! Ok! I am under review at KS for my "NMI not on my Christmas card list" comments, I am reasonably certain I had not used an expletive but certainly attacked his character.
Only one comment has been deleted so I do not feel so bad..
No easy to find postings on policy for this: anyone here know how long this ban lasts?
I even said Dakka is a good example for proper moderating... try to help a guy out... Reap what you sow I guess.
Funny though, I cannot find NMI comments anywhere now.
How does that man do these things?
He is smarter than I give credit.
Ah well, I will pretend to be posting here on the KS and maybe avoid future moderating.
<edit> ah, the thieves and liars comment got me.
Borrowers without intent of return and stretchers of truth??
I've had a few choice comments myself on there and it's got me curious now which one set things off. Couldn't be the links to the various agencies to report these guys
It probably is the link posting. I read their rules, and posting outside links is not allowed. I'm waiting on a response for mine, at which point My response to them will be to investigate this project, as the creator has not followed their rules, ie spam newsletter that hawks non kickstarter related products, not updating the backers, no progress being made, denying requested refunds.....
To bad Kickstarter only caters to project creators, and backers are chumps to them too. I already know that it will not go anywhere.
I'd be curious if announcing that their Kickstarter is launching with the work 98% complete, yet is nowhere close to being finished this long after, means they defrauded Kickstarter when originally submitting the project for approval.
Merijeek wrote: N815e reported him. As far as Kickstarter is concerned, comments are totally superfluous - just kill anything that is mildly complained about and continue your day.
That's news to me.
Genius that he is, NMI probably reported us and got nabbed by them because he can't help but insult people with every post.
He is so used to being able to apply a double standard that he just assumed the rules didn't apply to him there, either.
I'm wondering... what is Kevin gonna said today on PWU? Will he copypaste the BS that he threw on the KS?
Moving on... Can someone tell me the difference between FUD, WS&F and WS&FP (or any other colour) in shapeways? Specially regarding quality of each other compared I've read some reviews, but can someone tell me his/her own experience? Maybe post a pic?
Thanks in advance!
(Of course this is moving forward from the fake update we got recently. Still looking to complete my own wave 2 xD)
EDIT:
Now on FUD, 18 USD. That's why I'm asking all this, lol
WS&F is a course material, looks/feels like fiberglass held together by toothpaste (it feels rough, like a cat's tongue). If you don't prime it, paint can bleed into adjacent areas. Personally, the few items that I bought I was afraid to prime and lose the soft(er) details.
If you want pictures, I would suggest looking at Mel's Miniatures store on Shapeways - he has several examples of what items look like in WS&F.
Merijeek wrote: N815e reported him. As far as Kickstarter is concerned, comments are totally superfluous - just kill anything that is mildly complained about and continue your day.
That's news to me.
Genius that he is, NMI probably reported us and got nabbed by them because he can't help but insult people with every post.
He is so used to being able to apply a double standard that he just assumed the rules didn't apply to him there, either.
For some reason, it appears that I mentally mixed up a picture of a Japanese woman with gigantic breasts and a picture of Rand on a cyclone. What that says about me, I prefer not to think about.
megatrons2nd wrote: To bad Kickstarter only caters to project creators, and backers are chumps to them too. I already know that it will not go anywhere.
At this point, I'm less interested in supporting games KS that aren't presales or otherwise really exotic and compelling. Especially if it isn't provably rules complete and models ready at the time of launch. The increasing price points that are going over $100 require extra diligence and caution, and I'm no longer excited enough to gamble.
Apart from proven small companies with excellent products and good communications (so, at this point, Petersen Games) I'm pretty much done.
Too many scams, too much incompetence, and no accountability.
Hell, I think I've backed one non-PGKS since too many projects went fully farcical. And that one was "100% ready to print" and still didn't manage to make it to print for a good six months because the creator wanted to continue to dick around with the art for six months.
So, yeah, I need a huge incentive to even consider crowdfunding at this point. And since it's become a preorder retail system, that pretty much isn't happening.
Before I went into this, I had already made up my mind to not back any KS based on what I was seeing. Dummy me saw "Robotech", "miniatures" and "others are doing the heavy lifting".
This thing only confirms for me that KS are not worth the risk.
But Petersen Games, yeah, I'm a late backer.
To me, that is basically a preorder for a proven company and a game that is largely done and has already had a production run (I have the base game to prove it).
This would be so much easier if Kevin Sembeidia and Kickstarter didn't have the same initials
Yeah, RRT, the Tom Reidy fiasco, All Quiet on the Martian Front and the AVP KS have turned me off from any more KS. Which is a shame, because I had such a good experience with Zombicide 2 & 3.
KS's attitude (both of them) have just shown me it's too much of risk to bother with; I'll just show a little patience and wait for retail anymore.
I'll pledge for more CAV Bones..through the PM. Many of the walkers with less obvious canopies could work as primitive or advanced Mecha, and the tanks work pretty well. I've also got one of those little Gunpla tripod tanks with a huge cannon that could pass for a counts-as Southern Cross hovertank.
The best part is that all of those minis are cheaper and easier to assemble, while looking every bit as mouth-wateringly detailed.
Stormonu wrote: This would be so much easier if Kevin Sembeidia and Kickstarter didn't have the same initials
On the plus side, it makes commented on the donkey-cave who took their cut of our money and don't care about the completion of the rewards in any meaningful fashion easy to comment on since it applies to both to varying degrees.
Yeah, RRT, the Tom Reidy fiasco, All Quiet on the Martian Front and the AVP KS have turned me off from any more KS. Which is a shame, because I had such a good experience with Zombicide 2 & 3.
KS's attitude (both of them) have just shown me it's too much of risk to bother with; I'll just show a little patience and wait for retail anymore.
That's quite a tabletop list you've got there. Off the top of my head, you're just missing the ice age mammals and heroquest fiascos to round out the bunch.
Got another email non update from Palladium..
Still waiting for the day for a KS backer to loose it at a convention....
How is the Savage Rifts KS going...maybe he should gave the Robotech backers free stuff from it..
Since that is the only thing really getting worked on... Oh ya.. And Rifts Poker cards...
"Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave 2 Paper Game Pieces join Rifts® World Book 29: Madhaven™, Rifts® Ultimate Edition and 160+ other PDF titles, RRT stuff, G.M. helper kits and free material on DriveThruRPG.com right now! More Rifts®, Robotech® and other Palladium game titles, paper miniatures and fun coming to PDF in the weeks and months ahead. Watch for them"
"FREE Robotech® RPG Tactics™ paper game pieces, force organization tables, stat cards, rules and special items – with more coming soon!
FREE 12 highly-detailed, comprehensive Robotech® RPG Tactics™ assembly instructions for all the Wave One mecha – available now.
FREE Robotech® RPG Tactics™ color guides are available now."
Aren't those instructions from back when the fridge art theft/robotech guy got fired happened early in 2015? Or are they new ones? Or are they still patting themselves on the back for work done a year and a half ago that should have been done correctly 2 years ago with the original release?
warboss wrote: ...they still patting themselves on the back for work done a year and a half ago that should have been done correctly 2 years ago with the original release?
warboss wrote: Aren't those instructions from back when the fridge art theft/robotech guy got fired happened early in 2015? Or are they new ones? Or are they still patting themselves on the back for work done a year and a half ago that should have been done correctly 2 years ago with the original release?
also they didn't do them a fan friend of theirs did it for them.
Swabby wrote: "Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave 2 Paper Game Pieces join Rifts® World Book 29: Madhaven™, Rifts® Ultimate Edition and 160+ other PDF titles, RRT stuff, G.M. helper kits and free material on DriveThruRPG.com right now! More Rifts®, Robotech® and other Palladium game titles, paper miniatures and fun coming to PDF in the weeks and months ahead. Watch for them"
"FREE Robotech® RPG Tactics™ paper game pieces, force organization tables, stat cards, rules and special items – with more coming soon!
FREE 12 highly-detailed, comprehensive Robotech® RPG Tactics™ assembly instructions for all the Wave One mecha – available now.
FREE Robotech® RPG Tactics™ color guides are available now."
The RRT news from the update.
I don't think they ever posted Force Orgs and it was #1 thing that should have been done.
Stormonu wrote: This would be so much easier if Kevin Sembeidia and Kickstarter didn't have the same initials
On the plus side, it makes commented on the donkey-cave who took their cut of our money and don't care about the completion of the rewards in any meaningful fashion easy to comment on since it applies to both to varying degrees.
Yeah, RRT, the Tom Reidy fiasco, All Quiet on the Martian Front and the AVP KS have turned me off from any more KS. Which is a shame, because I had such a good experience with Zombicide 2 & 3.
KS's attitude (both of them) have just shown me it's too much of risk to bother with; I'll just show a little patience and wait for retail anymore.
That's quite a tabletop list you've got there. Off the top of my head, you're just missing the ice age mammals and heroquest fiascos to round out the bunch.
Luckily, I was super-suspicious of the Heroquest one and never got into it (I was out of money for AQMF & AVP, so that saved me there), cuz if that one had been legit I would have put a good bit in on it. Ice Age Mammals - didn't hear about that one until waaay later.
Yeah, RRT, the Tom Reidy fiasco, All Quiet on the Martian Front and the AVP KS have turned me off from any more KS. Which is a shame, because I had such a good experience with Zombicide 2 & 3.
KS's attitude (both of them) have just shown me it's too much of risk to bother with; I'll just show a little patience and wait for retail anymore.
That's quite a tabletop list you've got there. Off the top of my head, you're just missing the ice age mammals and heroquest fiascos to round out the bunch.
Reidy is Defiance Games? So he backed the Defiance KS, or Torn Armor? Or both? Also, he could have backed Imbrian Arts (Jody Siegel) for yet another KS that keeps on failing to deliver.
I almost want to know what he backs so I can run away screaming.
Forar wrote: Just so we're all on the same page, that's not actually PB. It's a fake account missing a space between Books and Inc.
Which I'm sure we're all aware of, savvy internet consumers that we are.
Goddamnit I did not.notice. I almost believe it really was somewho from PB reading and answering a comment, so the world was gonna start to break appart xD
which makes one wonder if 
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