it is quite disappointing to see CB pull a bit of a GW on us.
If CB had pulled a GW on you they would raise the price of all starters to be costed at the price of this starter and not price an individual starter slightly more because it has a higher production cost.
That is not how GW operates anymore. Instead of one yearly raise for (nearly) everything they now raise prices every new release, which is exactly what happened here.
If we have to compare GW and CB, this would be like Space Marines getting a new Land Raider with 4 sponsons and some extra hull details for £8 more than a regular Land Raider, which imo, feels completely justified. My first reaction when seeing the group shot was: "No way this costs the same as a regular starter". The models are massive.
it is quite disappointing to see CB pull a bit of a GW on us.
If CB had pulled a GW on you they would raise the price of all starters to be costed at the price of this starter and not price an individual starter slightly more because it has a higher production cost.
That is not how GW operates anymore. Instead of one yearly raise for (nearly) everything they now raise prices every new release, which is exactly what happened here.
Yes, unfortunately, that is the new definition of "Pulling a GW".
TBD wrote: It still doesn't add up Imo. This is a starter box. We don't pay individual blister prices for the content of a starter box.
You're aware that the standard single-model blister price is 9.25 € these days? That would be 55.50 €!
Even if you took the price of the old Vanguards (which you can't because CB don't release three-model blisters any more) you're not paying the price of the individual blisters:
Morat triple blister 15.75 €
Single blister for Oznat 9.25 €
Single blister for Raktorak 9.25 €
McMurrough for Sogarat 15.75 €
That comes to 50 € assuming low prices for each item. The Raktorak would presumably be 10.25 € as a blister, McMurrough is cheaper than Ajax.
Yes, they're cut-outs from individual photos added to the same canvas. Unless you chop them up again and match the base sizes you can't use them for 1:1 comparisons.
SlaveToDorkness wrote: The new Morats are significantly larger than standard models. Look at how they barely fit on the 25mm bases.
They are about the same size as Stephen Rao in the side by side picture of all of this month's releases (Rao's head even appears to be bigger).
Time will tell. Hopefully this is just a pricing oddity like the Magister Knights.
The "side by side pictures" aren't actually side by side I think. They're photoshopped from what I recall.
They are not really side by side, but looking at the bases compared to the models gives a good estimation, and Rao is placed almost next to one of the Vanguard. Only Uxia is in between them. Perhaps Rao is a giant of a man and that explains it.
I will stop complaining about this though and still get the box anyway as CA/Morats are my #1 faction at the moment. So don't get me wrong, they are still an awesome release! It's just that the undersized heads & too neatly looking haircuts plus the price surprise are minor disappointments.
Btw Uxia and the Gorgos are both awesome too. All three of these new release go straight to the top of my "to buy" list
How is the price of the Morat starter a surprise, we known ahead of the time one of the model in the box is on a large base. That should of been the clue, that it was going to cost more.
CB no longer releases blisters of the models in the starters, do they? The more I look at them, the more I dislike them, but I want the Sogarat and the Oznat from the box.
The new regular Morats just look terrible to me. It's not even the size of the heads as much as the faces themselves. The sniper and the Spec-ops were the last male Morats to release without a helmet and both were a happy medium between original and new ape-face, but these go a little too far into gorillatown.
More importantly is how bulky these new ones look. The original Morats looked like roughly human shaped infantry wearing a light, tight bodysuit of armor with loose pants. These look like they have heavy armor with enough padding to shrug off a freight train.
I DO like the new weapons, wish we could get those on all the old models. It's alos posisble they'd be better with a different, more traditional paintjob. Angel is absolutely phenominal, but I wonder if his style is accenting and enhancing the parts I don't like.
Personally, I love the new Morats. The models embody the name of the sectorial - Morat Aggression Force. These models look aggressive. They look like they're going to walk onto the table, kick down barricades and shoot the gak out of everything they see. The Sogorat looks ready to bring down an entire building with that Fauerbach.
Rhelyk wrote:More importantly is how bulky these new ones look. The original Morats looked like roughly human shaped infantry wearing a light, tight bodysuit of armor with loose pants. These look like they have heavy armor with enough padding to shrug off a freight train.
It's funny, looking at the old Vanguard and new on the previous pages helpfully linked by Kroot, the old models look bulkier, but in a bad, 2nd edition 40k way. The heads are exaggerated the way GW does, like a lot of 1st edition Infinity sculpts.
Also, comparing them, their kit isn't much different. The new models still have the baggy pants and armoured boots and knee pads of the old models, just without the ridiculous MC Hammer look. They still both have a very armoured torso. The biggest differences are the arms - the new Morats have much bulkier arms, probably to go with the 'red space ape' theme, and the head. If you're used to the old jack'o'lantern Morat heads, these look small by comparison. But now they're more proportioned to be human sized. Unfortunately, the bulkier arms and bulkier chest armour gives the impression the head is smaller than it is.
However, I absolutely love these models. I've wanted a Combined Army force for a long time, and initially looked at Morats. The heads just totally ruined the models for me. Now I'm trying to figure out how to expand this starter to 300pts without grabbing any old Morats.
I suppose this kind of change will always be divisive - there will always be people who prefer the older sculpts, although I think (trying to get away from subjective judgements) the technical ability of CB's sculptors has improved over the past 4 years and you can see evidence of that in these miniatures.
But, the changes to the 'style' are always going to come down to personal preference.
If you do prefer the older concept though no doubt you will still be able to get them for many years - its possible to get some of the other older, discontinued parts of the range even new and from shops in some places.
Well most alien races in fiction resemble humans or resemble a bug blown out of proportions without taking into account anything biological about it.
Shasvastii are the most alien looking Aliens in Infinity and that is what I like about them, not only in models but in background too.
Morats look like some Japanese demons with their 3 horns to me at least, they are mamals and the "primate" buildup at least to our knowledge is not a bad one to base intelligent life on.
I thinks Morat faces mantain the same concept they have. They are just more finely sculpted, less goofy. I like them much better now. Edit: the only issue I have with the new Vanguard is that they are too similar. The poses should have been more different from each other.
I'm glad to see the Morats finally got mouths. The previous versions looked like they were wearing menpo/samurai masks, especially with the beard sneaking out beneath the solid red shape. The combination was a bit odd. Now, they are clearly faces.
Noir wrote: How is the price of the Morat starter a surprise, we known ahead of the time one of the model in the box is on a large base. That should of been the clue, that it was going to cost more.
Because all the starters have been the same price up until now.
To be honest, and of course this just my opinion, who asked for an Ajax sized Sogarat in the starter box anyway? The size of the current (hmg) Sogarat is perfectly fine to begin with, and if CB suddenly wanted a bigger base Sogarat so badly they could have put him in a blister and include something else in the starter box to keep it's price in line with the rest of them.
My point is that it is all about decisions. Some will like them, some will like them less. CB could have done things slightly different here, but they chose to put a larger model in a starter box which drove up it's price by about 22%. It isn't thát big of a deal (although, I can imagine for people on a smaller gaming budget it might be), but still something to take notice of.
Noir wrote: How is the price of the Morat starter a surprise, we known ahead of the time one of the model in the box is on a large base. That should of been the clue, that it was going to cost more.
Because all the starters have been the same price up until now.
To be honest, and of course this just my opinion, who asked for an Ajax sized Sogarat in the starter box anyway? The size of the current (hmg) Sogarat is perfectly fine to begin with, and if CB suddenly wanted a bigger base Sogarat so badly they could have put him in a blister and include something else in the starter box to keep it's price in line with the rest of them.
Corvus Belli have not really been doing a huge amount of blisters when compared to boxes of late. Their stated goal is to REDUCE skus, not increase them.
They put the Alguacile Hacker and Hellcat "basic" profile in the Corregidor starter for a reason. There were multiple Wildcat profiles they could have added(Boarding Shotgun+Deployable Repeater, Hacker or Engineer) but instead the Alguacile Hacker and Hellcat were put in, likely so that they didn't have to release single blisters later.
Also I said this over on the Infinity forums, but price parity kind of takes a backseat to game parity. Compare the MAF box to the Shasvastii box.
With the MAF box and a box of Hungries, you have a 200 point force without worrying about going hugely over on SWC. Or you can avoid Hungries and add pretty much anything from the MAF list without worrying about topping SWC for that 200 points. The only real 'exception' to that is the Raicho, but that's mostly because of the 89/97 point costs rather than the SWC.
With the Shasvastii box? You've got a 153 point list...with 5.5 SWC if you choose to use the Lieutenant option from the box. You're going to be dropping the only Lieutenant option(Shrouded) from the box down to a standard rifle guy in order to add Cadmus-Naish Agent Sheskiin as your Lieutenant.
It's ridiculous that you are better off buying a collection of blisters(Sheskiin and Gwailos) than the 'starter' box for your chosen Sectorial.
My point is that it is all about decisions. Some will like them, some will like them less. CB could have done things slightly different here, but they chose to put a larger model in a starter box which drove up it's price by about 22%. It isn't thát big of a deal (although, I can imagine for people on a smaller gaming budget it might be), but still something to take notice of.
The Morat line is slated to get redone ala Corregidor. The reasoning behind "putting a larger model in a starter box" is likely the same that resulted in a comparatively useless Hacker who should be fielded with a Link Team of her accompanying unit being put into Corregidor's box rather than a Hacker from the unit which would have benefited from having their Hacker option in the box(Wildcats).
Their reasoning?
"Players won't need more than one so put it in the box to add some variety to what you're getting".
Alpharius wrote: Sound reasoning, but a little less snark please!
Remember, this is 2014 now!
I wouldn't want Kan any other way!
I wouldn't say that the snark was unwarranted. More product (material) = higher cost. Pretty basic economics. To state that prior precedence on box prices should limit the scope of all future endeavors (i.e. limiting the size of models to fix cost) is to invite disbelief and/or confusion in anyone who wants to see growth and innovation from Corvus Belli.
In Kan, that manifests as snark. TBD did state it was just his opinion and something to take notice of, but the implication of, erm, something is there.
Alpharius wrote: Sound reasoning, but a little less snark please!
Remember, this is 2014 now!
I wouldn't want Kan any other way!
I wouldn't say that the snark was unwarranted. More product (material) = higher cost. Pretty basic economics. To state that prior precedence on box prices should limit the scope of all future endeavors (i.e. limiting the size of models to fix cost) is to invite disbelief and/or confusion in anyone who wants to see growth and innovation from Corvus Belli.
In Kan, that manifests as snark. TBD did state it was just his opinion and something to take notice of, but the implication of, erm, something is there.
I don't think there is anything there at all, and is markedly not the case when you've looked at CB's releases over the past few years. This pack contains a bigger miniature that requires more material, ergo it costs more. CB could have put another miniature in that set, but they've obviously thought about it and gone for one that will create a cool starter set. TBH looking at that miniature (and how good a sculpt it is) I can't see why anyone would complain, but there you.
CB had a price increase earlier in 2013. They were apologetic about it, but it was the first one in 4 years and they made an official release to the fans why they were doing it and that it was unavoidable. To imply that they are now doing a GW-style 'bait and switch', of basically reducing value for the customer in an underhand way, I think is being a bit disingenuous and not very fair on CB's motivations at all.
The new items are listed as available on Wayland Games, but release is officially slated for later this month, like the week following the next at least? What's up with that?
They usually do pre-orders on the Infinity stuff, although yes it is a little odd as I'm sure in the past they have listed stuff as being 'pre-order'. Now though I'm tempted to go to them for the Morat starter just in case I might receive the miniatures in a few days!
She kind of has an 'Alpha Legion' symbol on her, which makes it cool - also, she is even hotter than a beakie! (which isn't an easy to thing to accomplish! )
She kind of has an 'Alpha Legion' symbol on her, which makes it cool - also, she is even hotter than a beakie! (which isn't an easy to thing to accomplish! )
Exactly!
That's it exactly!
Still wondering where I'll be going for my monthly INFINITY fix now that Battleroad has closed up shop.
She kind of has an 'Alpha Legion' symbol on her, which makes it cool - also, she is even hotter than a beakie! (which isn't an easy to thing to accomplish! )
Exactly!
That's it exactly!
Still wondering where I'll be going for my monthly INFINITY fix now that Battleroad has closed up shop.
Back to The Warstore?
Maybe Miniature Market?
Or do I give Texas Toy Soldier a try?
I use Texas Toy Solider, their shipping comes out just a hair cheaper then warstore. Also Discount Game Store http://www.vendio.com/stores/Discount_Games_Store is suppose to expand into Infinity soon and they offer free shipping, last I asked they were taking pre-orders now and if I get any good info on their prices and shipping prior to them listing in on thier pages I will let you know
Discount Games Store is pretty good, used them and their ebay store a few times and got the stuff really quickly every time. At first I thought they were http://www.discountgamesinc.com/ which is the Chain Attack podcast guys who are also fast and free shipping (over $50), but they are two seperate stores. The podcast guys are a bit salty their names are so close, possibly (probably) done on purpose, but the service is good and they carry stuff that the podcast store doesn't so despite supporting Chain Attack i see no reason not to also support the other shop. Podcast store added infinity starters some month's back at a solid discount, but nothing since then, which is a shame.
They're both "real". The one I linked to was the CA podcast store, the one Nuclearmessiah linked to is the "copycat", but I have used them both and recommend them both. Podcast store has much better stocklevels generally, "fake" store has no minimum order for free shipping, both offer the same discount on Warmachine. Both are small operations that seem very eager to please and maintain customers, early-days The Warstore levels of customer service on them both.
http://www.discountgamesinc.com/ - the Chain Attack guys. Free shipping over $50. If they carried more stuff I'd never look at another online retailer. The better discount + free shipping has spoiled me, I now have a hard time going to Miniature Market or FRP games when Discount doesn't have what I want.
http://www.vendio.com/stores/Discount_Games_Store/ - the "fake" store, also has an ebay store which Kilcin just linked to. The website is pretty ammeter-hour, but I've ordered a few times from them and been pleased every time. Very responsive to emails, and some of the better prices for GW stuff around, which they used to have listed on their website but now you need to request a sales sheet for via email. Inventory isn't as good as the Chain Attack guys, but it's ALL free shipping, no minimum. If they start carrying Infinity then I'd probably make all future purchases from them.
Rhelyk wrote: They're both "real". The one I linked to was the CA podcast store, the one Nuclearmessiah linked to is the "copycat", but I have used them both and recommend them both. Podcast store has much better stocklevels generally, "fake" store has no minimum order for free shipping, both offer the same discount on Warmachine. Both are small operations that seem very eager to please and maintain customers, early-days The Warstore levels of customer service on them both.
http://www.discountgamesinc.com/ - the Chain Attack guys. Free shipping over $50. If they carried more stuff I'd never look at another online retailer. The better discount + free shipping has spoiled me, I now have a hard time going to Miniature Market or FRP games when Discount doesn't have what I want.
http://www.vendio.com/stores/Discount_Games_Store/ - the "fake" store, also has an ebay store which Kilcin just linked to. The website is pretty ammeter-hour, but I've ordered a few times from them and been pleased every time. Very responsive to emails, and some of the better prices for GW stuff around, which they used to have listed on their website but now you need to request a sales sheet for via email. Inventory isn't as good as the Chain Attack guys, but it's ALL free shipping, no minimum. If they start carrying Infinity then I'd probably make all future purchases from them.
Email the copycat" one in regards to infinity, I have a few times. I believe the only reason they don't have the models listed yet is they are building up their inventory before posting it, however they will still sell you them if you contact them about it, no information on their current stock atm.
It looks to me like the one on the left might be wearing some kind of trench coat and carrying a weapon over its shoulder. Maybe this is one of those new Ariadna guys that were teased a while back?
The one next to him looks kind of like it's wearing a cape. Maybe it's a new Shasvastii Shrouded? That or another PanO knight.
Guy on the right also looks like he has some kind of shoulder mounted heavy weapon.
It looks to me like the one on the left might be wearing some kind of trench coat and carrying a weapon over its shoulder. Maybe this is one of those new Ariadna guys that were teased a while back?
PanO just got Rao and two Dire Foes.
It definitely is something Ariadna though.
The one next to him looks kind of like it's wearing a cape. Maybe it's a new Shasvastii Shrouded? That or another PanO knight.
Guy on the right also looks like he has some kind of shoulder mounted heavy weapon.
Generally the way these "previews" go is that Angel will show units off together at first, then do a "group shot" later on. The texturing on the bases are all done the same which suggests it's part of a boxed set.
Pacific wrote: Excellent work Mr Holmes! What makes you think that mini on the right is Ariadna though?
Well Doctor Watson, it was elementary! *dons his cap and pipe*
The clue you're looking for is the coloration of the painted base.
Yu Jing bases are a pale, slate grey color with a few sculpted 'rocks' on the bases generally behind the feet.
Ariadna bases are pale grey with a hint of olive drab/tan to the tinting of the grey.
If you look at the Isobel/Yuriko Dire Foes box you can get a good feel for the differences.
Wayland Games have now got the new releases up for pre-order, 22nd Jan down as the expected shipping date. That means, possible to have those Morats in my hands in 2 weeks...
I'm wondering what will go in the Sekban box, considering there's only 3 remaining weapon profiles. Boarding Shotgun, AP Rifle and Spitfire. I guess we'll get a random model with just his chain colt as a proxy.
-Loki- wrote: I'm wondering what will go in the Sekban box, considering there's only 3 remaining weapon profiles. Boarding Shotgun, AP Rifle and Spitfire. I guess we'll get a random model with just his chain colt as a proxy.
If I had to guess, you're right with that.
1x Boarding Shotgun model
1x AP Rifle model
1x Chain Colt model
1x Spitfire model
But there's always the possibility of Spitfire getting its own blister.
Scots Guard are going to be just as interesting though. They're currently missing:
2x SMG/DEP with Pistol and Knife
AP Rifle
Molotok
I'm thinking they will end up with a double SMG model with them raised and DEP slung, an AP rifle, a Molotok, and then a Pistol/Knife model.
I wouldn't mind 2 AP Rifles, 2 Boarding Shotguns and a separate Spitfire blister, but I don't see it happening since they already have a separate HRL blister.
-Loki- wrote: I wouldn't mind 2 AP Rifles, 2 Boarding Shotguns and a separate Spitfire blister, but I don't see it happening since they already have a separate HRL blister.
Ehhh. I think it's possible.
Look at the Wildcats. The basic rifle/combi light flamethrowers are in the starter box, the HRL and Spitfire are separate blisters. There's still missing profiles in the form of Hacker(usually gets its own model because the hacking device is a unique piece of equipment), Engineer(not usually given its own model but possible), and the Boarding Shotgun/Deployable Repeater.
Like they didn't with the briscards? They released the hrl briscard and then box shortly after. Those were all brand new sculpts. The muyibs was repacking all existing sculpts from different blisters into a single box.
Somehow I missed this post. Sounds like it should be a pretty decent month of releases. The Sekban should be pretty cool looking. Scots Guard I can take or leave. What's a Raiden? Is that a ninja unit? A character? A class of infantry? Ekdromoi could be cool looking depending on the pose. I like the designs of the Gwailos, so those should be pretty neat, too. Are there currently any Shasvastii units with the HRL?
Aren't there some TAG units missing models still? I know there's the Seraph. Isn't there something called an Ulahn or something like that? Are there any others?
Hmm, Raiden isn't bad looking. I might have to get one.
I kind of wish they'd give Haqqislam a second TAG. Every other faction has at least two or their equivalents. I want something bipedal that isn't just borrowed from Nomads or Mercs.
Alpharius wrote: I still want my non-power loader lifting looking old school low tech T.A.G. for Ariadna!
I think that the Anaconda is as good as it is going to get for Ariadna.
In regards to Haqqislam, they're more focused on the "biological" aspect of technology. I think we'll see more supersoldiers/pseudosupersoldiers before we see another TAG.
Alpharius wrote: And that will be OK, in the end, as T.A.G.s seem to be something that are really hard to use effective, unless, of course, they have TO Camo!
Alpharius wrote: I still want my non-power loader lifting looking old school low tech T.A.G. for Ariadna!
I can't wait to see that as well! And yes another TAG for Haqqislam would be cool, although I do hope they stay with the Ghost in the Shell-style spider walker if they do.
Also - don't think Konstantinos has got that right about the look of Raiden unfortunately, think something like this is far more likely:
Eh, I think I'd rather have the cyborg Raiden and his robot dog.
I'm not a fan of the GITS style TAG for Haqq. I'd rather have a bipedal one that's blocky and chunky. Something with a vaguely tank-like feel to it. Their stuff seems to favor functionality over style, so I'd imagine they'd run something with thick, heavy armor and a generally ugly, utilitarian design. I'd love to have something like that. Even moreso if they sculpted it with dust covers over the joints.
It looks like the Hafza's Spitfire so I do not think it is a different look. I don't know though, I have not seen Haqqislam Spitfires enough to know for certain.
Well, those showed up rather fast. This month is off to a great start it seems because those are really cool looking. I guess that's yet another Haqqislam unit I'll have to buy someday. And here I wasn't even planning on having Haqqislam stuff at all originally.
PsychoticStorm wrote: That would require the building their own TAGs and not buying them second hand (and a few generations older) from PanO.
Two words: Reactive Armor. They could do something like the Jotumn and armor up an older model. Imagine how cool something like the Anaconda would be with some big 'ole slabs of armor slapped onto it.
Kanluwen wrote: The Sekban are the first non-Angel Giraldez painted Infinity models apparently. Someone named "Daf" from what Angel just posted on Facebook.
That's suprising to note, but at least they still look really good. Colors look bolder in that bottom picture, but it doesn't seem that CB is losing the style of their iconic paintjobs just yet.
I wonder if this means CB will be escalating their production soon or if Giraldez just needs a break.
Kanluwen wrote: Might be a combination, or it might be that Angel is getting staff painters since he's now officially Corvus Belli's painter.
'Studio Giraldez' has had staff painters in the past. 'Cabalier' on the main forum helped out with commission work although i'm not sure if he did any of the official minis as well.
Kanluwen wrote: Might be a combination, or it might be that Angel is getting staff painters since he's now officially Corvus Belli's painter.
It just seems logically backwards that Giraldez announced his dedication 100% to CB's projects and soon after we have CB's first non-Giraldez-painted model. You'd think dedicating yourself to a specific line would give you more stuff to paint, not less.
Maybe something big is coming. Apply liberal doses of tinfoil hats to protect against sepsitors.
Kanluwen wrote: Might be a combination, or it might be that Angel is getting staff painters since he's now officially Corvus Belli's painter.
It just seems logically backwards that Giraldez announced his dedication 100% to CB's projects and soon after we have CB's first non-Giraldez-painted model. You'd think dedicating yourself to a specific line would give you more stuff to paint, not less.
Maybe something big is coming. Apply liberal doses of tinfoil hats to protect against sepsitors.
Well he did make kind of a sneaky note about how his "secret projects" right now that he's been posting snapshots of(they're conversions and big ones at that, like the O-Yoroi opened up with the pilot inside, the Cutter fully assembled with the Technician on its shoulders, etc) "might be book covers...", so it might be that his "dedication 100% to CB" includes him starting to do a lot more than just painting the models.
-Loki- wrote: On the paint job, I think it looks great. It has its own style but meshes well with Angels models, which can't be an easy thing to do.
If this means Studio Giraldez gains a few more painters and becomes Corvus Bellis 'eavy metal', that it can only be a good thing.
Yes that would be a good thing, hope it happens.
But, he hasn't stopped painting for other companies, he stopped painting for other companies GAME LINES. He still does non-game models for other companies.
-Loki- wrote: On the paint job, I think it looks great. It has its own style but meshes well with Angels models, which can't be an easy thing to do.
If this means Studio Giraldez gains a few more painters and becomes Corvus Bellis 'eavy metal', that it can only be a good thing.
Yes that would be a good thing, hope it happens.
But, he hasn't stopped painting for other companies, he stopped painting for other companies GAME LINES. He still does non-game models for other companies.
Actually he said that starting in 2014, he was stopping to paint for other companies.
He was going to continue painting things for collectors and Vallejo, that's it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Here's a reposting of Angel's statement:
I would like to announce that in 2014 I will be exclusive painter of corvus belli ( Infinity)
This mean that I will not paint miniatures for other companies.
I will continue with my work with Acrylicos Vallejo and painting for collectors (still do not accept commissions).
I made Studio Giraldez in 2007 and over the years I worked for many companies.
I want to thank the confidence in my work to all companies, THANKS
Urban Mammoth UK Otherworld miniatures UK Antenociti's Workshop UK Joek Minis UK Maelstrom Games UK Statuesque Miniatures UK Studio Mcvey UK
Consortium France
Kraken Edition (only cooperation) France
Smart Marx (Smog) France
Fenryll France
Predastore France
Anastyr ( Paolo Parente) France
Ranging Heroes France
Taban Miniatures (Eden ) France
Privater Press USA
Mercs Miniatures USA
Cipher Studio (Anima Tactics and Hell Dorado) USA
Chapterhouse Studios USA
Red Box Games USA
RAFM Canada
Dream Pod 9 Canada
Kabuki Models Italy
Freebooter Miniatures Germany
During the 2014 you can see some paintjobs that I painted in 2013 for Hell Dorado, Anima Tactics and Sedetion War.
Best Regards
Angel Giraldez
Spoiler is a list of all the companies he's done work for.
Angel has said he has recruited another painter to train him for painting for CB.
If Cabaliers experience is to go by, like a master of the old, he gives his trainees the task of doing the job and then he corrects the mistakes, or elevates the level when it is needed.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also Great sculpts, love that particular pistol pose.
With the advent of the Sekhban box, I think it's time for some zero-G terrain missions. Maybe a short campaign of boarding-action-style missions. Good thing I'm unemployed. As soon as I get a unit of CG painted up I'm gonna have to get something written up.
I've thought of doing similar things.. at basic level you could just get some kind of moonscape-style mat to play. But, something that would be incredibly awesome (although I have yet to see it) - can you imagine a terrain set-up that featured the outside of a moonbase/ship, with some kind of attacking force (featuring Nomad Geckos of course!) cutting in to a ship, with the Sekban inside the ship coming out to take them on?
Of course you might need some extra rule to account for the extreme danger of fighting in space.
Pacific wrote: I've thought of doing similar things.. at basic level you could just get some kind of moonscape-style mat to play. But, something that would be incredibly awesome (although I have yet to see it) - can you imagine a terrain set-up that featured the outside of a moonbase/ship, with some kind of attacking force (featuring Nomad Geckos of course!) cutting in to a ship, with the Sekban inside the ship coming out to take them on?
Of course you might need some extra rule to account for the extreme danger of fighting in space.
You could do that with those corridor kits people are doing. Have outside areas as well and airlocks to leave the complex, so zero-g models could take shortcuts.
MRPYM wrote: Great models, but are they any useful in game?
The general consensus has been 'not quite as good as Odalisques, so why would I take them over Odalisques?'. They're not bad at all, but they compete with the very good Odalisques. However, 2014 ITS scenarios gave Sekban an ace in the hole - Doctors and (IIRC) Lts are specialists. This allows a Sekban Haris or full Link team to have objective grabbers, something Odalisques don't have. That gives them utility over Odalisques straight up face punching.
MRPYM wrote: Great models, but are they any useful in game?
The general consensus has been 'not quite as good as Odalisques, so why would I take them over Odalisques?'. They're not bad at all, but they compete with the very good Odalisques. However, 2014 ITS scenarios gave Sekban an ace in the hole - Doctors and (IIRC) Lts are specialists. This allows a Sekban Haris or full Link team to have objective grabbers, something Odalisques don't have. That gives them utility over Odalisques straight up face punching.
Excellent point but LTs are no longer specialists in ITS 2014.
MRPYM wrote: Great models, but are they any useful in game?
The general consensus has been 'not quite as good as Odalisques, so why would I take them over Odalisques?'. They're not bad at all, but they compete with the very good Odalisques. However, 2014 ITS scenarios gave Sekban an ace in the hole - Doctors and (IIRC) Lts are specialists. This allows a Sekban Haris or full Link team to have objective grabbers, something Odalisques don't have. That gives them utility over Odalisques straight up face punching.
Excellent point but LTs are no longer specialists in ITS 2014.
Fair point, I didn't notice. However, a Haris team of Sekban still has options above what Odalisques bring. Odalisques are tougher thanks for NWI and are faster due to being LI. Sekban have different weapon options (like the aforementioned HRL) and can pack specialists since they can include Doctors. Before Doctors became specialists I'd be hard pressed to recommend Sekban over Odalisques, but they now definitely have their place, IMO.
And also, those miniatures? Come on.. for the tiny % difference they make (and people can't even make their mind up about that) you're better off just going with these guys if you prefer the look of them to the Odalisques.
You could do that with those corridor kits people are doing. Have outside areas as well and airlocks to leave the complex, so zero-g models could take shortcuts.
They are two entirely different groups, Odalisques have NWI but they have better armour, so they are two entirely different groups of survivable philosophy, also they are more high ARM hunters with their AP rifles.
PsychoticStorm wrote: They are two entirely different groups, Odalisques have NWI but they have better armour, so they are two entirely different groups of survivable philosophy, also they are more high ARM hunters with their AP rifles.
I know. I was just mentioning the way the discussion went on the official boards when I checked last.
You could do that with those corridor kits people are doing. Have outside areas as well and airlocks to leave the complex, so zero-g models could take shortcuts.
I've done that: Space battles using Space Hulk corridors. Only problem with that was the corridors don't fit the aesthetic of an Infinity ship.
However they -do- make a decent underground moon base. In the most common scenario that I run with the corridors, it was meant to represent just such a base, part of which is underground and part aboveground. Only half the board is "underground" (ie corridors. The other half is factory/base-ish building terrain: there's no reason you couldn't make that part zero-g and/or airless. Teams start always outside in the scenario I ran, and then had to enter the bunkers to get to the objectives. There were about 4 entrances with varying degrees of cover.
Of course you might need some extra rule to account for the extreme danger of fighting in space.
Fortunately there already is: the hazardous condition rules that CB released in Paradiso and also separately through their site. They'd handle vacuum risks this nicely. Probably allow players to use either ARM or BTS, whichever defender chooses when they make each individual roll, to represent that both armor and bio/technological sealing help against vacuum and radiation. You should probably include the radiation bit to justify bots and other non-biologicals having to make rolls for the environment. Otherwise the enrionment rules might favor bots too much. But make the Hostility Level fairly high, like Dangerous level (rolls of 18+ require a save). Assume that even LI have respirators and vacuum suits... even if paper thin ones.
As for zero-g, the existing movement chart for that terrain is too extreme. For zero-g when there are still surfaces nearby to crawl along etc., maybe every unit that doesn't have zero-g terrain type should just move at 1/4th speed.
Pacific wrote: I've thought of doing similar things.. at basic level you could just get some kind of moonscape-style mat to play. But, something that would be incredibly awesome (although I have yet to see it) - can you imagine a terrain set-up that featured the outside of a moonbase/ship, with some kind of attacking force (featuring Nomad Geckos of course!) cutting in to a ship, with the Sekban inside the ship coming out to take them on?
Of course you might need some extra rule to account for the extreme danger of fighting in space.
We actually had a mission like that in our last escalation league. Apart from some rules problems (Zero G not giving anything to LI models) I guess it went okay.
-Loki- wrote: To be fair, the thing stopping me is the lack of a Link team box to base a list around. If they released one, I'd jump on Shasvastii pretty quickly.
If you want, you can get a box and put all four Gwailos in it.
-Loki- wrote: To be fair, the thing stopping me is the lack of a Link team box to base a list around. If they released one, I'd jump on Shasvastii pretty quickly.
Not a fan of seed soldiers? Don't blame you.
When it comes, I suspect the eventual and inevitable 4-model link team box set might be the Calibans.
-Loki- wrote: To be fair, the thing stopping me is the lack of a Link team box to base a list around. If they released one, I'd jump on Shasvastii pretty quickly.
Not a fan of seed soldiers? Don't blame you.
When it comes, I suspect the eventual and inevitable 4-model link team box set might be the Calibans.
Seed soldiers aren't sold in boxes.
They're part of the SEF "starter" box, but that box is to put it lightly "Not Good".
As of right now, the only boxed set that the Shasvastii have is the Sphinx.
Calibans are supposed to get a link team box set, but it is taking quite some time to come out. The Gwailos are now a "complete" unit that could feasibly be repacked into a single box with one of each option--or double Multi Rifles/Boarding Shotguns, a single model of the one which is not doubled(or a new Multi Rifle/Boarding Shotgun sculpt), and the Spitfire with the Gwailos HRL remaining a separate blister.
Wow you have a lot more self-restraint than I do Knight, think I've got miniatures from every range except for Ariadne and Tohaa, and just about 4 full forces now. Piles of unbuilt stuff as well..
Angel is teasing this as February releases. The only model bases which can be seen with any detail on them are the two TAGs...which have NOMAD BASING!
GEEEEEEEECKKKKKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
The infantry are potentially from the NeoTerran Capitalene starter force. I'm not sure about that as it's 7 infantry and those bases seem to purposefully have had any/all detail left off of them so far.
Angel is preparing a step by step for the "new" PanOceania color scheme though with the darker blue and he's using the Swiss Guard with Missile Launcher as the first model for it.
Siygess wrote: As long as the Gecko retains that squat, bulky "Landmate" look from the Infinity art book I will definitely have to pick one or two for.. reasons!
If he is painting two I guess it's going to be a 2 minis box.
Angel is teasing this as February releases. The only model bases which can be seen with any detail on them are the two TAGs...which have NOMAD BASING!
GEEEEEEEECKKKKKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Hmm... I hope so! They seem quite big compared with what I was expected for something that may be sold 2 per box. That set of models (if they are geckos) will likely determine whether I dip my toes in the Infinity pool.
Angel is teasing this as February releases. The only model bases which can be seen with any detail on them are the two TAGs...which have NOMAD BASING!
GEEEEEEEECKKKKKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Hmm... I hope so! They seem quite big compared with what I was expected for something that may be sold 2 per box. That set of models (if they are geckos) will likely determine whether I dip my toes in the Infinity pool.
I don't think they really ended up with a choice. I have a feeling that originally the Gecko was going to be notably smaller(given that it's described as "superheavy infantry", I think it was originally going to be Sphinx sized) but ended up being bigger. Given that the Gecko has a really high AVA for a TAG and two distinct profiles it makes sense to have a double box.
Siygess wrote: As long as the Gecko retains that squat, bulky "Landmate" look from the Infinity art book I will definitely have to pick one or two for.. reasons!
If he is painting two I guess it's going to be a 2 minis box.
The blurs don't tell me much. There might as well be Kasrkin and Penitent Engine under them.
I find my specialist options to be somewhat limited so I'd welcome the new rules. Hopefully Bipandra is finally getting clarified and possibly a new unit will join our ranks, even though this is going to push me from any Sectorial configuration for a while.
Has anyone tried these, linked on Giraldez's blog? Are they just normal paints, or something new? and how drokking awesome does that Cutter look?
It's normal paints from the Vallejo Game color line, just hand picked by Giraldez to get the affect on the cutter (which I would totally steal if I ever did Grey Knights) with instructions on how he did it; I ordered the set through my local store but I don't have high hopes of getting it anytime soon because of their incompetence and I'm not sure of it's availability.
That's interesting, I wonder if they are doing painting for CB now as well? I know that one guy's painting of Infinity stuff for Blue Table Painting was pretty awesome (he posts in the 'community' thread in the Infinity section), so I suppose it would fit!
Mini looks nice, quite subtly done - just the pants and face plate helping to show that it's Yu Jing.
Pacific wrote: That's interesting, I wonder if they are doing painting for CB now as well? I know that one guy's painting of Infinity stuff for Blue Table Painting was pretty awesome (he posts in the 'community' thread in the Infinity section), so I suppose it would fit!
That's a good question - I'm really curious as to what Blue Table Painting is doing and/or providing for CB on INFINITY.
In a jump back to the models that just came out, the models in the Morat starter weigh in at 110g total, rather than the typical 45-50g of the other starters...
Back on-topic, the Raiden looks great. Unfortunately only the HRL profile is really worth it in the sectorial IMO. I guess given most of the Japanese forces' very short range weaponry the mid-range option from Spitfire plus xvisor is okay, but really it's not playing to the army's strengths.
In vanilla YJ though, the Raiden plus the standard camo forces (Daofei and Guilang) actually make a decent shooty camo force much more possible. Not Nomad or Ariadna sort of possible, but at least there as an option.
I'm going to buy one to convert, I guess. And holy crap is that paintjob good.
Well I think the Swiss guard with rocket launcher in the new paint scheme looks awesome! I really hope for a new Pan-O boxset as some of their models are showing their age and not in a good way...
the new scheme looks like it'd be easier to match up than the previous one. It also seems to actually use blue as the base color now, which is nice since now it'll match the fluff about PanO wearing blue armor.
As a Pan-O sectorial player, I assure you that I am in no way hoping for the Gecko. We ASA players want Toni. That's it. No other TAG, just Toni. Unlikely anytime soon though, since we just got "Angry Jesus". But sometime this year... tired of using a Jotums as a proxy :(
Looks like Monday will bring a huge amount of previews.
Is there anything on these Bolts aside from a few mentions of them on a forum? I'm curious. I enjoy NCA, even if it does tend to load on TO Camo for some reason...
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Is there anything on these Bolts aside from a few mentions of them on a forum? I'm curious. I enjoy NCA, even if it does tend to load on TO Camo for some reason...
They're Wildcat equivalents.
What you're looking at is a Linkable unit with a new weapon type, a combi rifle with a "mine launcher", and specialist options.
The NCA starter set seems to be:
3x Bolts
1x Auxilia with Auxbot
1x "Basic" Hexa option.
I hope not, the aquila guard with MULTI rifle is one of the most ugly PanO HI model
imo the aquila guard need a redesign,
its the most iconic unit of PanO and this coat is ridiculous.
Sangarn wrote: I hope not, the aquila guard with MULTI rifle is one of the most ugly PanO HI model
imo the aquila guard need a redesign,
its the most iconic unit of PanO and this coat is ridiculous.
cant wait for the new unit: bolts !
I disagree. his trenchcoat is not only great, but its a fast and cheap way to insulate the HI systems from the arctic cold.
Sangarn wrote: I hope not, the aquila guard with MULTI rifle is one of the most ugly PanO HI model
imo the aquila guard need a redesign,
its the most iconic unit of PanO and this coat is ridiculous.
cant wait for the new unit: bolts !
I disagree. his trenchcoat is not only great, but its a fast and cheap way to insulate the HI systems from the arctic cold.
exactly, wearing a coat on top of heavy armor is games workshoply stupid
just no, i dont want any spess mewine in my PanO force.
But, the new paintjob is quite an improvement i must admit
It's difficult to pop the collar on a suit of ceramic powered armor, thus the jacket. Also where would he pin his merit badges were there no fabric on his faaaaabulous Pan O outfit?
Just be glad he's not bald and screaming.
I am still bitter about Pan O getting better HI than Yu Jing (becuase Pan O were supposed to be the best at TAGs and YJ the best at HI), so perhaps my mockery is personally motivated
Don't play infinity, but the do make some of the best models for their scale, and they always have great paintjobs. If only I could get motivated enough to start it instead of just buying some of the models.
I much prefer the older scheme, it strikes me as being both far more utilitarian and rugged whilst being a bit more subtle as well.
Not to detract from the newer implementation of colour though, it's also lovely but gives the figure a more of a Marvel Comics 'Iron Man' look than before which, for some, might not be such a bad thing!
As for the coat? Infinity has its levels of cheesecake! I enjoy it for what it is, looks far too flimsy to be keeping out any real arctic cold however...
Any more news of the next batch of releases anyone?
You do not need it to keep the suit warm, internal heat ectr would do that, the principle of function is it keeps the heat internal, so the suit needs less power to keep warm, maybe obscure some of the heat to minimize heat signature and more importantly, keep the snow and ice from clogging the joints, especially in a storm, its a cheap and practical solution that takes into advantage old and tested technology in a new form to counter new issues.
PsychoticStorm wrote: You do not need it to keep the suit warm, internal heat ectr would do that, the principle of function is it keeps the heat internal, so the suit needs less power to keep warm, maybe obscure some of the heat to minimize heat signature and more importantly, keep the snow and ice from clogging the joints, especially in a storm, its a cheap and practical solution that takes into advantage old and tested technology in a new form to counter new issues.
You don't need it to keep warm but keep the joints from getting clogged up? I mean, it's a nice model don't misunderstand me. I'm not knocking it. However, to my eyes that cloak looks too flimsy and loose fitting to be of any real use during any actual stormy arctic conditions, it's billowing around him as it is! Maybe he's caught in a storm?
Savnock wrote: I am still bitter about Pan O getting better HI than Yu Jing (becuase Pan O were supposed to be the best at TAGs and YJ the best at HI), so perhaps my mockery is personally motivated
We are supposed to have the best technology. TAGs are only the most obvious example.
Just a quick heads up - apparently there are a lot of well known problems with the Morat Aggression Force Box Set!
I checked mine yesterday and I was missing one of the Morat Vanguard Infantry models.
Strangely enough, instead I had the Gorgos pilot!
I've already notified CB and gave them the complaint codes, so if you got one, check yours!
I know my split box order with Shae has been delayed because of a similar issue...
I've never had a problem with an Infinity purchase before, so this is my first time having to contact them for replacements - fingers crossed that it goes smoothly!
The first is debatable, Yes the Aquila has MSVlvl 3 but Hsien LT gives extra SWC, Hac Tao make better hackers.
For the second though,there is no comparison, for everybody else Heavy Infantry is at least Veteran troops, Yu Jing have 5 different heavy Infantry as Line troops.
I really wish we had more scenarios were troop classification played important role.
Alpharius wrote: Just a quick heads up - apparently there are a lot of well known problems with the Morat Aggression Force Box Set!
I checked mine yesterday and I was missing one of the Morat Vanguard Infantry models.
Strangely enough, instead I had the Gorgos pilot!
I've already notified CB and gave them the complaint codes, so if you got one, check yours!
I know my split box order with Shae has been delayed because of a similar issue...
I've never had a problem with an Infinity purchase before, so this is my first time having to contact them for replacements - fingers crossed that it goes smoothly!
Some questions on this for anyone who has had to use this system in the past:
1) Is this the right e-mail address: mispack@corvusbelli.com 2) Does CB usually send an email response saying "OK, replacements are on the way!"?
3) What is CB's usual turnaround time on this?
CB does send an email of parts send when they send them, but if they are particularly busy and this seems to be the case if its a known problem, it has been known to send the parts without email notification.
I disagree, PanO have the best HI, except for HI line type
no one give a **** about an hsien or aquila Lt
those profiles are here to kill stuff with an HMG,
MSV lvl3 is just the best stuff in this game 3 time better than MSV lvl2 no one can argue (VS shavastii player = win)
the guarda de assalto is clearly the second best HI for 0.5/51 you have BS 15 multi with Heavy flammer and zero-V grenade !!! You can deal with all situations
and magister have BS 12 panzerfaust ... haramaki are useless unless in fireteam (freekill), magister are great in def (who play haramaki in competitive game btw?)
well if yu jing have the best HI, they can keep it :p
they have more choice - we have the best killy stuff. (our HI spécialist suxx: too expensive)
I had one arm missing from a yu jing ninja about a year ago. After I got an email response from CB it took 2-3 weeks to arrive in Canada. Took long enough but there was no hassle at all, just a waiting game.
Definitely go through the tutorial process. I emailed them about a missing seed soldier head recently w/ the complaint code, and they responded that they can only send out replacements if you follow the posted tutorial to a T. I still need to take some pics of my set w/ missing pieces so I can resubmit it.
Alpharius wrote: Some questions on this for anyone who has had to use this system in the past:
1) Is this the right e-mail address: mispack@corvusbelli.com 2) Does CB usually send an email response saying "OK, replacements are on the way!"?
3) What is CB's usual turnaround time on this?
1. Yes. I've done it twice and that is the e-mail I used.
2. They do send you a confirmation e-mail. If your original e-mail didn't include enough information, they'll reply asking for information. The e-mails are very personal and not in any way standardized. I usually got a reply within two business days.
3. They replied to me within two days both times. I got my part all the way from Spain within 1.5wk. I'm in the US.
Include the complaint code, obviously. I also included a photograph of the box's contents showing what I recieved. I've never had an entire miniature missing, though.
EDIT: I just checked, and both times I got a personalized reply from David Rosillo:
Hello MYNAME,
Your package is ready and will ship as soon as possible.
Alpharius wrote: Just a quick heads up - apparently there are a lot of well known problems with the Morat Aggression Force Box Set!
I checked mine yesterday and I was missing one of the Morat Vanguard Infantry models.
Strangely enough, instead I had the Gorgos pilot!
I've already notified CB and gave them the complaint codes, so if you got one, check yours!
I know my split box order with Shae has been delayed because of a similar issue...
I've never had a problem with an Infinity purchase before, so this is my first time having to contact them for replacements - fingers crossed that it goes smoothly!
Some questions on this for anyone who has had to use this system in the past:
1) Is this the right e-mail address: mispack@corvusbelli.com 2) Does CB usually send an email response saying "OK, replacements are on the way!"?
3) What is CB's usual turnaround time on this?
I only had trouble once (well or twice depending on the point of view). But it was before they implemented the complaint code system, so I can't help you with that. I can tell you that they gave a very fast solution to my issue.
The issue was that I had bought a 45th Galwegian box from Maelstrom, and the box only included the 4 bodies, and nothing else. I contacted Maelstrom, and a long time later they sent me another box... with the same problem. I contacted CB and in 3 days I received a bag with the missing bit for one box. I had payed only one, so that was fine. But now I have 4 extra bodies. If CB sold the spare bits...
Oh dear Alpharius you sound like you're having a bit of a run at the moment!
I was missing some hands for some Uberfallkommando, or at least I thought I was! Turns out the hands to the Chimera are attached to the whip thing she is holding, and had been there all along. Doh! Sorry CB worker number 342 for any punishment you received because of me..
Had problems with the download code too. Don't remember how exactly I eventually put it in to make it work. I do remember I was quite annoyed by the whole thing. The captcha was hard to decypher and no hints regarding how to type in the code were included. It was a pain. The guys from the O-12 podcast had the same problems.
I am not that impressed with the Scots Guard despite wanting to try them out for my CHA force. Maybe I need to see them in person, they do not jump at me as much as the Biscards or the Wolvers did.
There are two copies of each of the two different bodies in this box. That's nothing new, it's the usual strategy for halving production cost. The myrmidon box features just two bodies too and I found it very necessary to hide that fact as well as possible. Same for the druze, but at least their equipment is more diverse, which helps.
With this box it is very obvious. That calls for conversions. I'd never field them like that.
The Scots-Guard aren't wearing coats. They're reversible camouflage cloaks with the tartan patterns on the inside.
It's a really weird design but it let them make a little bit more of a "military" looking unit, which the Scots-Guard are, while giving some room for a "sneaky" unit appearance.
It lets you easily transition between the 1st and 2nd Battalions, which actually have different rules in-game.
I used the dashes when I input my code for Train Rescue, and had number 0 letter O issue. Looking at the code, I wonder... are you having trouble with the number 8 and the letter B? They are similar on mine. Don't give up. Contact CB if you can't get the download. If nothing else e-mail them a scan of the code sheet as proof.
On topic... nice stuff this, but nothing for me. I think A few Ariadna players I know will be happy to get the Scots Guard box. Although, personally I was hoping Mr. 2xSMG would be more dynamic.
Think those new Scots guard look fantastic! Only thing putting me off them is my cowardice when attempting to paint something like tartan, and that I know I wouldn't do and then other people would know of my cowardice when they saw my models.. Wonder how they would look with just some camo, but the Scottish flag on their pauldrons?
Pacific wrote: Think those new Scots guard look fantastic! Only thing putting me off them is my cowardice when attempting to paint something like tartan, and that I know I wouldn't do and then other people would know of my cowardice when they saw my models.. Wonder how they would look with just some camo, but the Scottish flag on their pauldrons?
Nah, just paint a different camo pattern on the inside of their cloaks. Then other people will know that you are just smarter than them when it comes to painting Scots guard
I think smaller, reaslistically sized guns is a good thing. I am surprised by the highlights on the scotchguard minis, it translate to my eye as a very glossy, shiny weapon, which isn't that great when you're trying to remain unseen.
As for the burberry cloaks... it shows you've never had the real deal. They are so well cut, light, comfortable... you'd be insane to pas it up
Wow, Caledonia used to be my one of my least favorite but with these guys, I could see myself starting to collect them. The same 2cloaks are a minor quibble, will only really be noticed in photographs I think. Add in a Scottish werewolf and you got a decent enough looking crew!
Sekban look really cool too, I just really don't like the infinity back tube/antennae. But I never have and left them off my pan-o too. I just have a hard time imaging soldiers running down alleys or crawling around cover with those things sticking out of their back. Besides, real soldiers wear enormous backpacks and don't rely on big spidery robots to haul their gear
I don't like the Scots all having the same head with their goggles up either. That and the double flamboyant cloaked body really ruin this box set for me, so off the to-buy list they go. Too bad CB.
Ah I hadn't even noticed that the Sekban had come out! I had promised myself that I'd start Haqq when the Sekban were released as a box, but what cruel fate decided to release them at the same time as the scots guards...whyyyyyyy?
Me too, think I probably prefer these to the Kaplan which were my previous favourite box set.. the difficulty now is going to work out how to fit all of them in one 300pts list..
Wow, I really want to start playing infinity these are great! Can anyone help point me in the right direction on learning about the rules and background first? I checked the Infinity forum but the jargon in most threads shoots right over my head :(
Red Corsair wrote: Wow, I really want to start playing infinity these are great! Can anyone help point me in the right direction on learning about the rules and background first? I checked the Infinity forum but the jargon in most threads shoots right over my head :(
The background is pretty much only in the books.
I do suggest them though, even if you can get the rules for free.
Red Corsair wrote: Wow, I really want to start playing infinity these are great! Can anyone help point me in the right direction on learning about the rules and background first? I checked the Infinity forum but the jargon in most threads shoots right over my head :(
We have a sub-forum, most thing you need are in the sticky "Would you like to know more", The CB youtube channel has good demo vids. The CB main website has a the rule in the Download section, their 3 download under Rules and Army List one for each book (each book expands the game so you need them all) and 1 smaller download in both with rules for stuff coming in the next book (this is updated so keep tabs). Finally the Infinity Wiki, rules a click away and the FAQ too. After that ask any questions you have in the sub-forum and will help as best we can.
Curious as to how the Scots Guard models break down. Seems the most restrictive 'multi-part' kit yet.
Like them though, although I agree that four identical heads is disappointing.
Sekban look excellent. Now I don't know whether to buy them or the Kaplans first.
Red Corsair wrote: Wow, I really want to start playing infinity these are great! Can anyone help point me in the right direction on learning about the rules and background first? I checked the Infinity forum but the jargon in most threads shoots right over my head :(
Red Corsair wrote: Wow, I really want to start playing infinity these are great! Can anyone help point me in the right direction on learning about the rules and background first? I checked the Infinity forum but the jargon in most threads shoots right over my head :(
I'm very new to Infinity, too. There are snippets of the background on the Corvus Belli site, but mostly its in the books.
I started by doing this:
1) read free download of rules
2) read snippets of background on the CB site
3) watched the rules videos on the CB site <-- these are GREAT
4) read the rules again
5) ordered the main rule book
6) ordered a starter set (Ariadna) and a few extra Ariadna minis that caught my eye
The rules vids are great. I was glad I'd read the rules once so the vids put them in context. But after the 2 reads and the vids, I understand about half of the jargon.
At first I'm going to stick to vanilla squads (still trying to schedule my first actual game). After that, we'll see.
Leaving off the pilot arms is probably the easiest 'conversion' to accomplish with this range!
Kanluwen wrote:
warboss wrote: I hope so... please no mini-me arms! That single model will likely determine whether I dip my feet into the infinity pool.
It's going to have mini-me arms.
Just leave them off and file off the attachment points and you'll be fine though.
Yeah, I saw the two pieces of art last summer and one had them and the other didn't (but was likely just at an angle where they simply weren't visible). A guy can hope! It is an easy conversion assuming the arms don't attach to the guns and are just sticking out individually. I've literally been waiting since the art book to decide on these models and the game in general. Some mecha backed up with some linked unit somesuch infantry sound like a cool force.. no idea on its efficacy in game though.
I assume that means it will be coming in next month's releases?
Geckos and Neoterra starter seem to be the February releases, with some others guaranteed as well.
Also for those US/Canadian posters interested, last month's releases(Gorgos, MAF starter box, Uxia, Rao, and Celestial Guard box) are now in stock/shipping from the Warstore. I guess the winter weather must have been wreaking havoc on their stock chains.
Free rules.. free army builder.. you can play the game from about £30 with a starter set.. I don't think for that kind of investment it can really be considering 'getting into' something, but more of a taste or a dabble?
Pacific wrote: Free rules.. free army builder.. you can play the game from about £30 with a starter set.. I don't think for that kind of investment it can really be considering 'getting into' something, but more of a taste or a dabble?
Don't do it. Infinity is not a game that you will dabble with. One of the best rulesets out there. Some truly great models. And an amazing company behind the wheel.
If you dip your toe in the waters, you might as well just jump in.
Does anyone else ever wish that Corvus Belli would introduce a variant of the ruleset focused around TAG combat? I keep looking at the newer TAGs with the exposed pilot arms, and then my mind goes to scenes of the landmates from Appleseed duking it out.
Given the flack they took from adding a requested 400pt game type, adding a TAG only mission would draw more 'CB is becoming GW' crying. I'm sure they'd rather avoid that for now.
No, I'm talking about a separate format entirely, using the Infinity core rules, but with additional special rules, etc. to emphasize TAG on TAG combat, where infantry are simply a supporting element (so in that regard, a group of infantry would function as a squad similar to a link team but perhaps a bit more restricted in what they can do) and the focus is on groups of say 3-5 TAGs duking it out. People can cry "CB is becoming GW" but nobody is going to make you play "TAG format" games or purchase the 3-5 TAGs required to play it, because its not Infinity its... InfiniTAG or whatever the hell you want to call it, basically a different game.
Again - it would simply draw bad GW comparisons. 'CB are making rules to specifically sell their TAGs because they're not selling enough!'. It's best to leave it for the time being.
Not that I don't agree - a TAG focused game type would be oodles of fun.
Drop AVA restrictions for TAGs, allow only TAG's and REMS, but each category must be set in different combat group, set up a high enough points level, enjoy.
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chaos0xomega wrote: Wow, I can't believe you're arguing against something like that simply because of the potential internet neckbeard nerdrage...
I can't imagine why, most of the Infinity players around here probably have closer to 1000 pts of any given army, the only exception being the new guys, and even most of them probably have about 500 pts all counted.
chaos0xomega wrote: I can't imagine why, most of the Infinity players around here probably have closer to 1000 pts of any given army, the only exception being the new guys, and even most of them probably have about 500 pts all counted.
The threads are still floating around the official boards if you want to loo. Some made the same argument you just did - it did not help. The biggest comparison was to GW since boosting game sizes means more sales.
2 teams per side, co-op, 400-pts each (so 800 v 800) = plenty of TAG love.
heck, you can take a TAG in a 200 point team without nerfing your chances.
If you mean "wouldnt it be great with lots of TAGs on the table"... this is simply a matter of scale... similar to "How cool would it be if we had two moons".
Antenociti wrote: 2 teams per side, co-op, 400-pts each (so 800 v 800) = plenty of TAG love.
heck, you can take a TAG in a 200 point team without nerfing your chances.
If you mean "wouldnt it be great with lots of TAGs on the table"... this is simply a matter of scale... similar to "How cool would it be if we had two moons".
(it'd be perfectly normal)
Now the real dream scenario is.. fielding a few Antenociti dropships in a game of Infinity. How many points do you think a Grendal would be?
Personally I would just use another system for those landmate vs landmate brawls (perhaps something crazy like Super System) but for sure I would be using the TAGs from Infinity. Particularly the Geckos!
PsychoticStorm wrote: Drop AVA restrictions for TAGs, allow only TAG's and REMS, but each category must be set in different combat group, set up a high enough points level, enjoy.
Yes right, there is absolutely nothing to stop you playing with the AVA/pts (even orders) and doing it yourself.
I think most of the rage on the forums was to do with when that guy from Battle Foam intimated that larger figure counts were coming to a future version of Infinity? He had heard no such thing, but it was a justification for the bags being sold at a certain size (and presumably to help sales).
And, there is no danger at all of CB becoming 'more like GW' while they are a private company, and about 2% the size of GW.
Siygess wrote: Now the real dream scenario is.. fielding a few Antenociti dropships in a game of Infinity. How many points do you think a Grendal would be?
..or how many TAGs can it fit in its cargo-pod...?
Siygess wrote: Now the real dream scenario is.. fielding a few Antenociti dropships in a game of Infinity. How many points do you think a Grendal would be?
..or how many TAGs can it fit in its cargo-pod...?
Squee!
I can see it now. Here is my 300pt army. 1 Grendal. Oh, and the four Gecko's waiting to jump out of the cargo pod doors
Wow they just keep coming out with this cool stuff. I might have to buy some TAGs! I still have a lot of unpainted Infinity stuff, though.
Also, I'm not really a fan of the odd looking base extender thats glued onto the larger base for some of these models. Why not just put it on a base large enough to accomodate the entire model in the first place?
chaos0xomega wrote: No, I'm talking about a separate format entirely, using the Infinity core rules, but with additional special rules, etc. to emphasize TAG on TAG combat, where infantry are simply a supporting element (so in that regard, a group of infantry would function as a squad similar to a link team but perhaps a bit more restricted in what they can do) and the focus is on groups of say 3-5 TAGs duking it out.
The fan community has already taken a few stabs at this- I did so myself actually. One of the great things about Infinity is that much fan-created material is actually read by CB, like YAMS was. If we do a good job developing our own TAG format, it might be considered as a format for ITS in the future. At the very least it could be a fun thing that lots of Infinity players around the globe will try out (and improve).
My effort was called "Iron Fists" and is on the CB forums (might have been lost in the migration to the new forum software though). It was quite some time ago (pre-Paradiso), so it could definitely use a revisit. It was basically exactly what you're calling out: squads of 3-5 TAGs with some supporting infantry. I did limit non-TAGSWC to avoid having TAGs just face a gigantic swarm of cheap panzerfausts and their accompanying sizeable order pools.
I'll take another run at it soon, if you're interested. I like your idea of limiting the infantry's actions. Hmmm.
As a side-note, TAG combat is just one of the fan-created alternative formats out there. The "Infinity Hunger Games" format was big a little while ago for small-numbers combat. Here in Washington State we've turned that into an Aristeia! format, which we use with custom arenas. There's the many "zombie invasion" scenarios that get played at cons, as well as other fun variant missions. And on a more-tangential line there's also a road-game under development that will use Aragotos and Kum bikers, which I'm hoping to get playtested this winter.
So there are plenty of alternative formats out there: we just need to try them out extensively ourselves and see how they work, -then- send them CB's way and see if they would consider making them official. And if not, whatever: we can still enjoy them at our regular gaming nights. It's the exact opposite of GW's blind-deaf-dumb-corporate-juggernaut model. ¡Viva el Corvus Belli!
Pacific wrote: Free rules.. free army builder.. you can play the game from about £30 with a starter set.. I don't think for that kind of investment it can really be considering 'getting into' something, but more of a taste or a dabble?
On the 400 point tournament issue. It is just another way to play the game, like Paradiso (about which many people complained too), and that is what CB is really doing-- not trying to inflate TAG sales. Rather than re-write and power creep and all that, they are proposing alternate ways to enjoy the game as it is now. More choices. This is a bad thing?
Have you seen the TAGS they have already released, recently? Those models sell themselves. (Angel's painting helps, mind you) (well, maybe not the Maghariba Guard, but that is a different issue-- 75 mm base) And this new Gecko? Pre-order it. Seriously.
Really, I've seen more than one 400pt 10-order no TAG list pop up already (the HI links, they hurts us! ).
And making infinity an even moderately expensive game to play would take a lot more than just upping the pts limit by 33%.
(Okay, depending on how insane your customers are - I **might** be considering ordering that one single box I need to have all my PanO remotes to AVA right now... but that's not something the ruleset is really encouraging - that's just me being an idiot )
Bolognesus wrote: (Okay, depending on how insane your customers are - I **might** be considering ordering that one single box I need to have all my PanO remotes to AVA right now... but that's not something the ruleset is really encouraging - that's just me being an idiot )
It's interesting/telling that Infinity collectors don't magnetize a lot, even with the remotes. Partly that's because metals are more of a pain to magnetize, but it's also because remotes are generally the only set that one will want lots of redundant options for.
If a TAG-centric scenario/format got popular you might see more conversions of the big guys. I'm guessing that 4-Gecko lists will also bring that about a bit more. 2-O-Yoroi lists have already brought about some of the few serious TAG conversions that I've seen around (except removing the landmate arms, which hardly counts).
...Meh. I actually use two 8pt repeater bots and two TR/360 bots at the same time regularly; sometimes with a missile bot in for good measure. The armbots don't really take to magnetizing and I hate potentially losing fiddly bits on models I like to have a few of anyway.
Really, I wouldn't have saved much with magnetizing - but I save myself a lot of grief not doing it.
Oh and those fethers are enough of a *(*^^*& to assemble without gakking around with fiddly little magnets. three armbots at the same time was enough to make me howl in agony. (srsly, that dwarf gyrocopter a few years back? easier than those.)
chaos0xomega wrote: No, I'm talking about a separate format entirely, using the Infinity core rules, but with additional special rules, etc. to emphasize TAG on TAG combat, where infantry are simply a supporting element (so in that regard, a group of infantry would function as a squad similar to a link team but perhaps a bit more restricted in what they can do) and the focus is on groups of say 3-5 TAGs duking it out.
The fan community has already taken a few stabs at this- I did so myself actually. One of the great things about Infinity is that much fan-created material is actually read by CB, like YAMS was. If we do a good job developing our own TAG format, it might be considered as a format for ITS in the future. At the very least it could be a fun thing that lots of Infinity players around the globe will try out (and improve).
My effort was called "Iron Fists" and is on the CB forums (might have been lost in the migration to the new forum software though). It was quite some time ago (pre-Paradiso), so it could definitely use a revisit. It was basically exactly what you're calling out: squads of 3-5 TAGs with some supporting infantry. I did limit non-TAGSWC to avoid having TAGs just face a gigantic swarm of cheap panzerfausts and their accompanying sizeable order pools.
I'll take another run at it soon, if you're interested. I like your idea of limiting the infantry's actions. Hmmm.
As a side-note, TAG combat is just one of the fan-created alternative formats out there. The "Infinity Hunger Games" format was big a little while ago for small-numbers combat. Here in Washington State we've turned that into an Aristeia! format, which we use with custom arenas. There's the many "zombie invasion" scenarios that get played at cons, as well as other fun variant missions. And on a more-tangential line there's also a road-game under development that will use Aragotos and Kum bikers, which I'm hoping to get playtested this winter.
So there are plenty of alternative formats out there: we just need to try them out extensively ourselves and see how they work, -then- send them CB's way and see if they would consider making them official. And if not, whatever: we can still enjoy them at our regular gaming nights. It's the exact opposite of GW's blind-deaf-dumb-corporate-juggernaut model. ¡Viva el Corvus Belli!
I'll have to have a look around for it, if you do decide to take a stab at updating it, I'd love to collaborate with you, I have tons of ideas and concepts, the problem is I rarely have the time or motivation to actually put them to paper and iron-out all the details.
Micky wrote: Yeah, linkable HI squads are seeing more action than TAGs in my experience.
This is what I enjoy about the 400pt idea. There's some stuff in the game you just can't use well because they're so expensive, like the higher end HI links. Personally I want to try a 4 model Asawira link. Complaining about the power of such a link is a bit much - you're not going against that list with 300pts after all. You can bring your own nastiness.
