Well I'll be having a few sets of those trees - The bases look odd in the picture but the video shows the 3 together form a circle. Hopefully the connecting points for the leaves are better than the current set. I wonder if these will replace the old trees or sell along side them or the old ones might go direct only.
I thought they would ignore the leak so they could reveal them on Saturday but it looks like they just needed time to do a new video.
I really like the new trees. Something about the gaps under the roots makes me think of aquarium terrain (probably costs the same too)
The ground hive spell is kinda cool. Fits well with Drycha, at least.
That spooky tree doesn't look sylvaneth though. All the bones make it seem more like a Beast of Chaos/Legion of Nagash thing.
Looks like the only purpose of splitting the Kurnoth Hunter entries is padding out page count. There's no difference apart from weapon profiles and a single special weapon rule on one warscroll.
Looks like the only purpose of splitting the Kurnoth Hunter entries is padding out page count. There's no difference apart from weapon profiles and a single special weapon rule on one warscroll.
Well this is gonna screw with GW's schedule. I wonder if they have something else to fit in the Sylvaneth slot, or is there going to be a lean week coming up?
Still not sold on the spells personally, although the new trees are nice. After the Shadespire warband I'm surprised there is no mention of new Revenants though.
Looks like the only purpose of splitting the Kurnoth Hunter entries is padding out page count. There's no difference apart from weapon profiles and a single special weapon rule on one warscroll.
Trees are going to be great, clearly they are copy-catting the idea they used for skaven Endless Spell in the trees and its a very good practical approach for the woods!
That said I think the dice steal the show in my view, its a little thing but I love their creative approach to them.
The shipping issue is going to mess with GW a lot since all their card, packaging, books, cards, terrain and spells are overseas produced. That said GW keep all their model factories UK side so in theory they could still push things out even if they have to go in white boxes direct from GW for a while.
Depending how long it goes on for it might mean a few slow weeks followed by some "fast" or heavy weeks where we get way more tahn normal.
Also we don't know the details, it might just be one ship that's blocked up and latter orders are getting through. Or earlier shipments sent tangled up and newer ones are fine etc.... IT could even be limited to a specific shipping firm or group and latter orders might come another way.
I’ll be curious how those new trees are worked out. Will they mean I have to replace all of my current Wyldwoods? Will terraforming the board with Wyldwoods even still be a thing? I do enjoy covering the table in murder trees.
AduroT wrote: I’ll be curious how those new trees are worked out. Will they mean I have to replace all of my current Wyldwoods? Will terraforming the board with Wyldwoods even still be a thing? I do enjoy covering the table in murder trees.
They said on their Facebook page that you do not have to replace the current Wyldwoods if you don't want to. They're roughly the same size in both instances--just the new one lacks the base but has an 'open' glade in the center.
I'm okay with this. Literally the day before the first teaser shot that included them, I cracked open the plastic on 4 kits I'd had sitting on my shelf.
Ok, I'm planning on building a Death world jungle board for 40k. I need both those new trees and the Endless spells... (especially the nasty looking hive, that would be a perfect surprise to hide in a mangrove thicket ).
Haighus wrote: Ok, I'm planning on building a Death world jungle board for 40k. I need both those new trees and the Endless spells... (especially the nasty looking hive, that would be a perfect surprise to hide in a mangrove thicket ).
You'd better post some pics
Honestly, the floaty tree spell could work for a deathworld. The trees are on the move and they HUNGER
BrookM wrote: Is he using one of them "ooop nooooorth" or whatever they're called accents?
West Country, that's where the farmers are. Up t'North is Mining Country and they speak like Dwarfs.
Also if you're looking for a decent Nurgle daemon name, seems Brexit is there for the taking since that's the delay they're talking about. Had seen some of the issues that caused with a recent kickstarter, given the time to ship from China immediately before was New Years when nothing gets done whilst everyone's on holiday. Wonder what knock on effects that'll have on the October/November release?
Looks like the only purpose of splitting the Kurnoth Hunter entries is padding out page count. There's no difference apart from weapon profiles and a single special weapon rule on one warscroll.
It allows them to price them differently.
There are already instances of units having multiple cost entries based off wargear options without copy/pasting the whole warscroll, including Hedonites, the most recent tome. This is just to pad out the page count.
Quite possibly; if they're at 47 pages, 95, etc then they need something to put on that last page.
Or one of those warscrolls is battleline and the others aren't? or there's an effect that targets one but not the others (for example, another unit that affects Kurnoth Hunters with Kurnoth Greatbows specifically)
It appears to be a new general policy for GW since they did the same for Hellstriders in Slaanesh and yet the only difference between the two options is the weapon they use. Everything else is identical (including points).
It does tie into how they typically show models on the GW website by showing each different model even when they might be alternate versions from the same kit.
Overread wrote: It appears to be a new general policy for GW since they did the same for Hellstriders in Slaanesh and yet the only difference between the two options is the weapon they use. Everything else is identical (including points).
They didn't do it in the Fyreslayers book, and that only has 3 infantry units(not including characters). Vulkites have 3 weapon options, Hearth Berzerker's have 2 options and its 1 Warscroll for each.
My completely uninformed and baseless theory with no experience in publishing: Maybe they contracted X many pages and its "use or lose space"? But then they absolutely have to have copious amounts of art that could have taken up that space, so who the feth knows.
Point of fact to clarify for anyone that doesn’t know: because of the way book pages are printed in an array on a large sheet then folded and cut to make the final leaves, you can only add or remove an entire printed sheet, not an individual leaf. GW seems to prefer quarto binding, or sheets of eight pages, or four leaves, so your book will be a multiple of eight pages or the print cost goes way up because you have to request and get specific extra tooling or extra manual processing to allow a single leaf to be added.
This is why ‘extra space’ can be available or something can fail to fit even if it’s only a small addition. Or, rather, especially if it’s only a small addition.
The new floaty tree would be an amazing start for a Nurgle version of Hordes's Cassius and Wurmwood that I've had in my head for ages now. I'm super burned out from my Nurgle knightly order that just won't be finished, though.
They might as well have put a different glade's symbol on each die face and had you look them up in a chart.
Geifer wrote: Are the new trees a replacement or an addition to the Citadel Wood? Because I happen to think more variety in trees is a good thing to have.
Addition for those who have woods already, replacement for those who don't?
No question about whether a large based monster can fit between those.
On Facebook they answered they are a new model for Wyldwood , you can use them or the old model as both use same space , it’s just the new one is easier to place stuff in( andcteansport I imagine)
Main concern for me is continued availability of the old kit. GW has dropped a number of terrain kits for no good reason, like the tower with the wavy skeleton and the pool of damned souls in the basement. I can understand dropping the more generic Empire terrain when they killed off Fantasy, but that thing was prime AoS material. Or how the got rid of the skull pillar of the Magewrath Throne. I'm just hoping for the continued existence of the old forest.
Geifer wrote: Main concern for me is continued availability of the old kit. GW has dropped a number of terrain kits for no good reason, like the tower with the wavy skeleton and the pool of damned souls in the basement. I can understand dropping the more generic Empire terrain when they killed off Fantasy, but that thing was prime AoS material. Or how the got rid of the skull pillar of the Magewrath Throne. I'm just hoping for the continued existence of the old forest.
Very much this - I just ordered 3 more sets of the current woods for a future terrain project I've planned just in case they suddenly disappear, they might go direct only but I can't see the 2 co existing from a retail point of view.
I also hope that the old forests remain. I think I like the shape of their branches more, and regardless, variety is good, especially with natural things like trees.
And I think getting rid of the old terrain is such a shame. There were many excellent kits that still haven't been matched by anything in the new AOS ranges. It was also weird how they brought that crazy observatory tower back, only to swiftly remove it again.
I don’t get why the Chaos Skullshrine disappeared. That one SCREAMED AoS. Three pillars, couple giant skulls, big cracked Chaos Star in the middle. I had one, accidentally put it in a pile of Mantic terrain to give to a “friend”, and never got it back (he denied ever having it). My mistake, but I still wish I had it.
Probably because it is an absolute, complete pain to balance miniatures on. If I had that piece I would hack half the details off to replace with level rocks.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Probably because it is an absolute, complete pain to balance miniatures on. If I had that piece I would hack half the details off to replace with level rocks.
Yeah, especially for when an objective is inevitably placed on it and there's a dogpile of models to reach it, it becomes an untenable mess of wobbly model syndrome.
Geifer wrote: ... Or how the got rid of the skull pillar of the Magewrath Throne.
They got rid of that skull pillar so they could keep all the skulls for themselves. Have you seen how much of their terrain in books and White Dwarf is made from those things?!
Geifer wrote: ... Or how the got rid of the skull pillar of the Magewrath Throne.
They got rid of that skull pillar so they could keep all the skulls for themselves. Have you seen how much of their terrain in books and White Dwarf is made from those things?!
Yes, I did in fact see all the wonderful things they did with my skulls.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Probably because it is an absolute, complete pain to balance miniatures on. If I had that piece I would hack half the details off to replace with level rocks.
Yeah, especially for when an objective is inevitably placed on it and there's a dogpile of models to reach it, it becomes an untenable mess of wobbly model syndrome.
Except it wasn’t? The upper base was big enough to drop two good sized monster models on it (excluding the massive bases like Allariele and Archaon). You could comfortably have Skarbrand vs a new KoS on top of that thing. I’ll admit, it wasn’t good for Fantasy, since multiple units ranked would be a PitA, but AoS? Should have been fine.
Without any introduction in the post itself. Was anything about this announced elsewhere? Seems so random not to say it's the first of several, even though to me it comes across as if there will be more.
Forbidden Power has been advertised a lot as coming and as following on from the Soul Wars main storyline so whilst the story appears at random it likely fits into the events of that story and how the skaven messed up Nagash's plans and contributed to the Necroquake
It also reads like its telling the tale of the release of one of the new Endless Spells
NinthMusketeer wrote: Probably because it is an absolute, complete pain to balance miniatures on. If I had that piece I would hack half the details off to replace with level rocks.
Yeah, especially for when an objective is inevitably placed on it and there's a dogpile of models to reach it, it becomes an untenable mess of wobbly model syndrome.
Except it wasn’t? The upper base was big enough to drop two good sized monster models on it (excluding the massive bases like Allariele and Archaon). You could comfortably have Skarbrand vs a new KoS on top of that thing. I’ll admit, it wasn’t good for Fantasy, since multiple units ranked would be a PitA, but AoS? Should have been fine.
Unfortunately that platform is only a small fraction of the terrain piece. I've played with the thing a lot as my flgs has several.
Without any introduction in the post itself. Was anything about this announced elsewhere? Seems so random not to say it's the first of several, even though to me it comes across as if there will be more.
These storm vaults would make a good setting for a new WHQ game.
I'm not sure that makes much sense, though the customs thing is confusing anyway, which wasn't helped by the dumb video. (I'm not clear whose customs people held it up, logically China if its affecting distribution to everyone, as there isn't much point to bringing everything to the UK and then shipping it back out again).
But GW's miniatures, unlike books, are made in the UK, not China, so... there isn't any way they'd be part of the same shipment.
For example, my Wrath and Rapture box has 'manufactured in the UK' on the back, but the GS Cult and Gloomspite army books have 'Printed by C&C in China' and 'Printed By APOL in China' on the back. I'd assume it would be the same pattern for Looncurse and the Sylvaneth battletomes.
cole1114 wrote: So mercenaries are apparently narrative only, and they're specific named units like the old dogs of war/regiments of renown.
No, they’re in Forbidden Power for matched play, and there’s also rules for them in the GHB for narrative play. And they aren’t named units, but a list of specific units that can be taken (rather than being able to take anything as some people feared). Thematic mercenaries basically, like Fyreslayers.
rayphoton wrote: What the hell.....Looncurse was ..massively under provided for.
My online seller that I pre-odered for didn't get all of theirs(meaning I wont get one) ..and my FLGS had 15 pre-orders..and received
One copy
I get a limited run sure. but ...Not even providing enough for actual pre-orders?
Now I'm all annoyed at GW again...
The bizarre way they're handling battle boxes worries me that, after a few years of respite, some braindead moron is in charge of marketing again. Who in their right mind approves production of a new product whilst also thinking it won't sell?
According to the info from the seminar they massively underestimated how well looncurse would sell. They promised to avoid this in the future, but we will have to wait and see on that l. Sales estimates are always conservative. The points book will come packed with the ghb. The idea is that the points will become invalidated after a year but the contents of the main book will not.
Chikout wrote: According to the info from the seminar they massively underestimated how well looncurse would sell.
Printing less than 1 copy per store isn't underestimating demand, it's thinking there is no demand at all.
All the past battle boxes have been wildly popular, so whoever did the math on that is a moron.
But the bigger moron is the person who approved production despite thinking there is zero demand for the product.
A good example of underprinting a product with understandable reasons was the Kill Team starter. What happened with Looncurse was not an act of a rational entity.
Chikout wrote: According to the info from the seminar they massively underestimated how well looncurse would sell.
Printing less than 1 copy per store isn't underestimating demand, it's thinking there is no demand at all.
All the past battle boxes have been wildly popular, so whoever did the math on that is a moron.
But the bigger moron is the person who approved production despite thinking there is zero demand for the product.
I don't disagree with you, just reporting what was said.
A good example of underprinting a product with understandable reasons was the Kill Team starter. What happened with Looncurse was not an act of a rational entity.
My friend and I called/drove to 4 different game stores in my area yesterday. We found 2 copies between them. Managed to buy 1. The other store forgot to pull the copy for us and sold it before we got there. Thank god we were planning to split the boxes anyway.
Chikout wrote: According to the info from the seminar they massively underestimated how well looncurse would sell.
Printing less than 1 copy per store isn't underestimating demand, it's thinking there is no demand at all.
There's a few factors that might be coming to play here:
1) GW sold several of these duel army boxes before such as the one with spacewolves and genestealers; admech and necrons; khorne and slaanesh. Each of those releases was NOT paired with the fast release of their battletomes. In fact the latter two has massive gaps for at least one army within the set before they got their updated Battletome/codex. So it might well be that those boxes showed far slower and more spread out sales because only one half of the box was actually "keen" for the box because they had updated rules, whilst the other half hadn't had the same marketing push that a new set of rules comes with so it wasn't hyped up as much. The result is a display of slower sales.
Now when Carrion Empire and Gloomspit/Sylvanath boxes have come out they've come out either at the same time as the tomes or hot on the heels of them (you can bet sylvanath Tome was intended to be out the week or week after the duel box and its only the container import issue that has held it back). So now we've got two boxes where BOTH halves have a big marketing push in the core army around the same time as the box or after; so suddenly both halves are super popular and it likely results in a massive surge of sales.
A sale surge on its own will snowball as gamers see them running out of stock and will rush to buy the last.This might well mean that numbers based on earlier sales patterns are not reliable because the sale pattern has changed significantly.
2) We don't know if GW produced some boxes long term and some short term nor their overall plans for releasing the individual models within the duel boxes. IT might be that, behind the scenes, they always intended these more recent duel boxes to be smaller production runs with the view that they were releasing them closer together and thus wanted to maximise profits without one box overshadowing another. We'll know this if we start seeing things like the Warlock Bombardier sooner (we now have all the slaanesh and khorne from wrath and rapture on individual sale).
3) we don't know if GW produced one wave of each set or if they've produced several waves of some of the earlier boxes.
So it might not be foolish, there could be clear plans here. Also from GW's point of view a sellout of a short term product (which all the duel boxes are) is a good thing because it means they are not left with stock lingering in stores and wasted investment and it means that the return on their investment is quicker. In addition you don't end up with the situation that we have with wrath and rapture where there are still discount duel boxes competing with the individual new models on sale from those boxes, which possibly has stunted some of the sales of the latter as people buy up what they need from splits of the duel box.
GW wants to balance it so that they've got sales which end within the rough time period that they want them too.
In addition it might be that GW produced more Gloomspite boxes for stores, but that orders ate up the store allocation stock. Remember many stores might have had only 1 copy or less sent for display, but had more copies sent to local gamers on order. So the "store only got 1" but on pre-orders the store might have distributed more. Also don't forget there's no discount for store deliveries over home delivery so many might have pre-ordered from the GW website instead of through their local store. So at a stores catchment area the area might have had a lot of copies even if the store itself didn't.
It could also be that they had to divert some of the production capacity that would have gone to Looncurse to whatever they're going to use to plug the gap the Sylvanth etc holdup has caused,
it looks very much like sprue production is being done in a 'just on time' model now simply because they're scrambling to keep up with demand so a week or two of planned Looncurse kit production not happening is an awful lot of boxes they cant send out
Curious to see if they price Forbidden Power at £45 like Malign Sorcery the book is the same 88 pages but it has only a third of the endless spells. I'm happy to see the Soulscream Bridge has two parts as that could make an interesting terrain piece as well. I wonder if some of the contrast paints were used here particularly the purple smoke.
For the terrain no idea I guess the Enduring Stormvault will be the most expensive AoS terrain kit yet. Might not need to get a Timeworn ruins set if you get the Enduring Stormvault and Sigmarite Dias and spread the columns around. Surprised to see the statue appear in 3 of the sets the Shattered Temple probably didn't need it. The price list should be out tomorrow or Tuesday.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: It could also be that they had to divert some of the production capacity that would have gone to Looncurse to whatever they're going to use to plug the gap the Sylvanth etc holdup has caused,
it looks very much like sprue production is being done in a 'just on time' model now simply because they're scrambling to keep up with demand so a week or two of planned Looncurse kit production not happening is an awful lot of boxes they cant send out
True and that's likely to remain the situation at least until the new factory comes online.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: It could also be that they had to divert some of the production capacity that would have gone to Looncurse to whatever they're going to use to plug the gap the Sylvanth etc holdup has caused,
it looks very much like sprue production is being done in a 'just on time' model now simply because they're scrambling to keep up with demand so a week or two of planned Looncurse kit production not happening is an awful lot of boxes they cant send out
I doubt this to also be true for the boxes, booklets and the other contents of the set. You can produce all the sprues in the world - without the rest of the set you can not sell them.
DaveC wrote: Curious to see if they price Forbidden Power at £45 like Malign Sorcery the book is the same 88 pages but it has only a third of the endless spells. I'm happy to see the Soulscream Bridge has two parts as that could make an interesting terrain piece as well. I wonder if some of the contrast paints were used here particularly the purple smoke.
For the terrain no idea I guess the Enduring Stormvault will be the most expensive AoS terrain kit yet. Might not need to get a Timeworn ruins set if you get the Enduring Stormvault and Sigmarite Dias and spread the columns around. Surprised to see the statue appear in 3 of the sets the Shattered Temple probably didn't need it. The price list should be out tomorrow or Tuesday.
It's kinda ambiguous phrasing:
"The set also includes warscroll cards for each of the endless spells as well as the Penumbral Engine and all of the new terrain kits from the new Dominion of Sigmar scenery range. Speaking of which…"
Not sure if they are saying you actually get the terrain sets in the box or just the warscroll cards. but if it comes with the terrain it would make up the price difference
DaveC wrote: Curious to see if they price Forbidden Power at £45 like Malign Sorcery the book is the same 88 pages but it has only a third of the endless spells. I'm happy to see the Soulscream Bridge has two parts as that could make an interesting terrain piece as well. I wonder if some of the contrast paints were used here particularly the purple smoke.
For the terrain no idea I guess the Enduring Stormvault will be the most expensive AoS terrain kit yet. Might not need to get a Timeworn ruins set if you get the Enduring Stormvault and Sigmarite Dias and spread the columns around. Surprised to see the statue appear in 3 of the sets the Shattered Temple probably didn't need it. The price list should be out tomorrow or Tuesday.
It's kinda ambiguous phrasing:
"The set also includes warscroll cards for each of the endless spells as well as the Penumbral Engine and all of the new terrain kits from the new Dominion of Sigmar scenery range. Speaking of which…"
Not sure if they are saying you actually get the terrain sets in the box or just the warscroll cards. but if it comes with the terrain it would make up the price difference
As worded I would say it's just the warscroll cards and not the terrain in the Forbidden Power set, meaning you get exactly what's pictured...
Not gonna lie, after close to half a year of teasing, this feels like a very underwhelming climax. The whole thing is 4 spells (all of them looking super-Nagashy), one small terrain piece and campaign book with some new artifacts. Not really what I expected after all this time.
Cronch wrote: Not gonna lie, after close to half a year of teasing, this feels like a very underwhelming climax. The whole thing is 4 spells (all of them looking super-Nagashy), one small terrain piece and campaign book with some new artifacts. Not really what I expected after all this time.
We first heard about Forbidden Power at the Las Vegas Open Preview back in February, just three months ago...
It's an Endless Spell upgrade pack and I think it looks good for exactly what it is. I'm actually rather glad its not a dozen more generic endless spells as that would easily chock that system to almost having too many open options for all armies.
Also don't forget Warcry is the other big thing this summer; likely coming alongside or near to a slaves to darkness battletome (one would assume since warcry is focused around mortal chaos followers)
The first story related to it came out in January WD I think, if not December. Regardless of exact amount of time, 6 or 4 months, it's been hyped up as the next big thing for AoS and it turned out to be Malign Sorcery 1.5.
Something I like about AoS is that the endless spells (mostly) feel like an option and not something I am handicapping myself by not taking. I would much rather they lean on the high side rather than low.
And if two new armies wasn’t enough, Forbidden Power features a new system that allows armies of any Grand Alliance to take Mercenary allies from the Fyreslayers or Flesh-eater Courts – offering you a great excuse to grab a Magmadroth…
My excitement just tripled; that rules content seems awesome. Whole new allegiances! Terrain for any army!! Maybe it could herald fortifications-style options, I would be SO happy to see that.
Stormvault looks expensive but probably fits the current price per sprue,
Forbidden power does seem more expensive than it should be, but it looks to have 5 full sized sprues compared to 4.5 in malign sorcery and an 'extra' book (though are they as thick) ?
Both books (FB and MS) are 88 pages the extra book is just the core rules again so is there much value in it? On a per sprue basis Forbidden Power has more sprues - 6 FB (2 of Soulscream bridge sprues) versus 4.5 in MS - not counting bases so yeah I can see why it would cost more now.
I think I'll skip the Timeworn Ruins and use the base in the Enduring Stormvault with the pillars from the Dias to make a Timeworn Ruins without having to buy it separately. I'll replace the Dias pillars with wedding cake pillars as the circular pillars will work with the Dias. I've had the cake pillars sitting in a box for years - everything eventually finds it's use.
Wow, €70 for the new xpac is far too much. The big terrain piece (the globe thing) in the set is nice but the rest of the spells are pretty lacklustre. The nagash head is the worst and the pyramid smoke things are ok, but they seem to be the same as the bits of terrain that was in the small terrain set for shadespire.
The bridge is nice, but could probably knock something up out of foam and a €20 skulls set (with tons of left overs).
The book would have been nice to add to my collection, but as I only play skirmish, it's a bit too pricey for something I won't use most of the rules it contains.
The new 'modular' terrain still doens't seem very modular to me. Seems that you can build them all in one way, but vary the size of the room and position of the statues/columns. Not at all modular like the necromunda terrain is.
I was really expecting something more like a cross between the necromunda terrain mixed with fantasy/mordheim style gang ways and buildings. Even in this style, that would look good.
Oh well, not an issue. More money saved here means more money to buy more miniatures later on!
The new 'modular' terrain still doens't seem very modular to me. Seems that you can build them all in one way, but vary the size of the room and position of the statues/columns. Not at all modular like the necromunda terrain is. I was really expecting something more like a cross between the necromunda terrain mixed with fantasy/mordheim style gang ways and buildings. Even in this style, that would look good.
Oh well, not an issue. More money saved here means more money to buy more miniatures later on!
The original Warcry teaser showed a load of terrain that looks to be an expansion of the basic Azyrite ruins with exactly that- gangways and extra building components like bell towers. So I think that is coming separately. This terrain is basically the modern version of the plastic hills GW used to sell, but with more texture and less nature...
It is a bit hard to tell without sprue pics, but some of the images from Warhammer Fest suggest it is a bit more modular than it looks.
The Dias is made up of two halves so at a guess you can put it next to any of the platforms. It seems nice but ultimately a lot of money for what it does. I can see potential for a Warhammer quest use but an entire dungeon would be a lot.
It’s odd that fir most people the smallest rubble pack is probably the most useful .
Forbidden power is a must - it’s a £25 scenerynpiece , £20 of endless spells plus a £15 - £20 book , on preorder it’ll be 20-25% off at independents .
Bit expensive for my taste, but while cool I don't have an actual need for the terrain, so missing out is not a big deal.
Forbidden Power is a bit harder to resist because the bone bridge is plain cool and want to have a mixed Order/Death army for as long as AoS exists (and technically even back in Fantasy). Maybe the General's Handbook will be the better choice for that, though. Still unclear how those two merc rule sets are related.
Geifer wrote: Bit expensive for my taste, but while cool I don't have an actual need for the terrain, so missing out is not a big deal.
Forbidden Power is a bit harder to resist because the bone bridge is plain cool and want to have a mixed Order/Death army for as long as AoS exists (and technically even back in Fantasy). Maybe the General's Handbook will be the better choice for that, though. Still unclear how those two merc rule sets are related.
You're probably better off buying the bridge form eBay then.
If you like Krakens go read "Heart of Ice" Novella - the Scourge Privateers are running around with city-ships nestled atop the backs of Krakens. So that one in the art above, that's a baby kracken!
Overread wrote: If you like Krakens go read "Heart of Ice" Novella - the Scourge Privateers are running around with city-ships nestled atop the backs of Krakens. So that one in the art above, that's a baby kracken!
Oh I'm aware.
And the Krakens are nothing compared to what the Nautilar Enclave of Idoneth are settled on; the back of a continent sized sea slug.
Forbidden power does seem more expensive than it should be, but it looks to have 5 full sized sprues compared to 4.5 in malign sorcery and an 'extra' book (though are they as thick) ?
The sprues on Forbidden Power do not look like full size to me.
I'm interested to learn what Teclis has to do with the story and why exactly it was easy to reverse his Teclispedias, unfortunately, the price is too high for me.
The spells seem to have movement shenanigans which are something I generally want, however, I'll need to invest into Skaven expansion and saving. Don't want to be caught off guard when Hysh elves are dropped out of the blue.
Aaaaaaaaaand I’m already hearing that Forbidden Power (and Kill Team) is being allocated. Hopefully it’s better than the one per store we got out of Looncurse.
Forbidden Power doesn't seem to grab me story wise as much as Malign Sorcery. With death themed endless spells and the story largely being about storm vaults and specifically those in one realm (Shyish), it's nothing like the variety of endless spells and realm artefacts and all sorts of realm stuff from Malign Sorcery.
Ahtman wrote: So do we think Looncurse is just going to be this one run or?
One and done, same as Carrion Empire. GW likes to try to blame a lost ship or shipment like an episode of lost... but it sounds like any other excuse they have come up with.
Ahtman wrote: So do we think Looncurse is just going to be this one run or?
One and done, same as Carrion Empire. GW likes to try to blame a lost ship or shipment like an episode of lost... but it sounds like any other excuse they have come up with.
They never blamed a lost shipment. The Sylvaneth battletome is delayed because of shipping, but Looncurse they underestimated demand.
TBH I've not seen GW officially try to blame anything for Looncurse selling out, closest I've seen was a question on Warhammer TV where the response was they'd tried to forecast demand. I dunno about the US but here there were multiple retailers still taking preorders day after they went up and various GW store pages showed stock for purchase on release day.
Maybe people need to look further than Element Games (who somehow sold out with a few minutes) ?
I see a few comments above someone mentioned allocations . Again, outside the UK I'm guessing you get stiffed on stuff like this? I was easily able to get several from a small store and that wasn't his whole order.
Perhaps there isn't any "blame" for Looncurse and Carrion Empire selling out.
Consider that early runs of the duel boxes were released and then had months (genetealers had half a year) before both armies within them had battletomes. This means that the launch sales of those boxes likely had slightly lower sales rates because people starting new armies or rebooting armies they weren't currently playing with, were not as hyped up.
This left GW with more stock sitting over which they've either had to pay to store or they've had more than one production run of the boxes as well as. Now both of this can lead to GW having situations ilke with Wrath and Rapture where all the individual models within the duel box are on retail sale, but the duel boxes with their discount are still on sale too. Stunting the sale of the new releases.
So GW counters this by two aspects. First they produce less in a box run and/or only produce one run of the box. Second they release the box alongside or within a week or two of Battletomes for the armies within the duel box.
The result is a fever pitch of sales which fast burns through all the stock. If GW is also producing less stock then its burning through their estimations (which might well have been based on sales of the previous duel boxes).
From GW's point of view boxed sets that sell out are good things because it means that they have not over-estimated demand. They are not left sitting on stock and their product has recouped its investment within a very fast period of time. That's all good for GW, the only downside is potential lost sales due to lack of supply.
Now this latter point they might well counter by now starting to produce more in the duel boxes in the future or they might accelerate the delivery of individual new models within the duel boxes to market.
Because of the way production is setup it's likely that we will see a lag-time on GW making policy changes, esp as these are not emergencies, so they are free to take their time. Loon and Carrion have shown them new patterns so they might well now adapt the next boxed set delivery as a result.
It's all a balancing act for GW, baring in mind that they are only just keeping on top of production demand.
If GW estimated to sell less than 1 Looncurse per store, they have no faith in the product and it begs the question why are they even allocating manufacturing resources to something they think won't sell.
lord_blackfang wrote: If GW estimated to sell less than 1 Looncurse per store, they have no faith in the product and it begs the question why are they even allocating manufacturing resources to something they think won't sell.
We already know many stores got more than one copy in pre-orders.
You're forgetting that stock allocation isn't perfect; many stores might have only been sent 1 on shelf copy, but many might have sold multiple copies that were pre-ordered. In addition don't forget if GW central got a MASSIVE wave of pre-orders they'd likely end up pulling some stock from distribution to stores for on the shelf just to provide product to paying pre-order customers.
From what I can tell, at least in the UK, the GW central likely sends out its product the week of pre-sale at the start so if the Saturday gets a massive wave of pre-orders they likely have some means to rejuggle what stores will get.
Remember its not a long term product. GW does not expect to be selling it in 2 or 3 years time. It's a short term fast sale product.
We had several preorders. We got a single copy. Period. Like yes, you’re in the UK, you got your stuff. US stores got a single box per store. And from what I’m hearing that’s likely going to be repeated with the next couple releases.
AduroT wrote: We had several preorders. We got a single copy. Period. Like yes, you’re in the UK, you got your stuff. US stores got a single box per store. And from what I’m hearing that’s likely going to be repeated with the next couple releases.
AduroT wrote: We had several preorders. We got a single copy. Period. Like yes, you’re in the UK, you got your stuff. US stores got a single box per store. And from what I’m hearing that’s likely going to be repeated with the next couple releases.
They didn't fulfil the pre-orders?
Nope our local had 6 preorders from what I was told and got one copy. I actually was going to get into AOS with this, but not now. One customer grabbed a copy at the GW store 45 minutes away and is trying to sell it for $250 now. That’s the type of jerk I’d like to punch in the nose .
AduroT wrote: We had several preorders. We got a single copy. Period. Like yes, you’re in the UK, you got your stuff. US stores got a single box per store. And from what I’m hearing that’s likely going to be repeated with the next couple releases.
They didn't fulfil the pre-orders?
Nope our local had 6 preorders from what I was told and got one copy. I actually was going to get into AOS with this, but not now. One customer grabbed a copy at the GW store 45 minutes away and is trying to sell it for $250 now. That’s the type of jerk I’d like to punch in the nose .
Without the threat of violence... I have heard of only five copies making it to this entire country and am pretty salty about it. I had no intention of AOS but it would have made a lovely reinforcement to my 6th O&G army.
Interesting to note that the bridge only affects friendly units for movement and doesn't swap control at the end of a turn. So whilst the articles says the enemy can use it; actually the warscroll says they can't
Since the Horrorghast takes on the form of that which most terrifies those who look upon it, I might have to convert one that is a giant stack of unopened model kits.
My preorder guy got 8 and I grabbed 2. Our local stores had multiples on the shelf on Saturday. Maybe it's a partially gw but also partially a flgs issue. Not all flags are equal based on volume and average orders.
I will see if my local GW has any left. If they do, I'm willing to pick up for somebody, BUT it'll be charged at full retail price, PLUS shipping. Which I don't think anybody should have any issue with. It'll be kind of like MDG's loot-thread. No scalping, but don't try to ask for a discount of any kind (cuz then I'm basically paying for part of it out of my own pocket). If anyone US-based has an interest, PM me and I'll take a look on Friday.
Yea I gotta say that up here in Canada (which usually gets stiffed on international shipping harder than most) my local GW still had copies on the shelf this weekend, and local stores seemed to fair similarly. Scarcity is definitely an issue, but I think saying "GW doesn't deserve to sell product if it can't stock it" might be letting the butcher's nails take hold a little bit
From what I can tell, at least in the UK, the GW central likely sends out its product the week of pre-sale at the start so if the Saturday gets a massive wave of pre-orders they likely have some means to rejuggle what stores will get.
Remember its not a long term product. GW does not expect to be selling it in 2 or 3 years time. It's a short term fast sale product.
Kind of. UK Independents place orders by close of business Monday for delivery Wednesday/Thursday. Allocated product they are given a max number they can expect in order to not over preorder. If not all retailers take the max then they can free up units to offer late Monday or Tuesday or absorb back to Warhammer retail or online. The max is based on order volume / value in the past so the more the store has supported GW the more they are likely to get offered, in this way smaller places fully pushing the product can get a lot of product because they're ordering small but ordering a lot overall because stock is turning quickly, as opposed to a bigger place full of old boxes.
Very happy to see that all of the endless spells are utility and not MW delivery. They don't even deal MWs at all! I really like that and hope they continue in the future; the malign sorcery spells already provide more than enough sources for MWs.
TwilightSparkles wrote: TBH I've not seen GW officially try to blame anything for Looncurse selling out, closest I've seen was a question on Warhammer TV where the response was they'd tried to forecast demand. I dunno about the US but here there were multiple retailers still taking preorders day after they went up and various GW store pages showed stock for purchase on release day.
Maybe people need to look further than Element Games (who somehow sold out with a few minutes) ?
I see a few comments above someone mentioned allocations . Again, outside the UK I'm guessing you get stiffed on stuff like this? I was easily able to get several from a small store and that wasn't his whole order.
Considering most 3rd party sellers I spoke with had to cancel about 80% of their presales and issue refunds. I would say there was an issue. The 3rd party sellers advised they had placed their orders when they were supposed to but were advised that the shipment for the USA was lost.
Carrion Empire was a complete disaster on GW's part, and a following after with Looncurse just shows how incompetent GW is becoming with their preorders or their responsibility toward 3rd party sellers. If they loose faith in being about to honor their preorders I look for 3rd party sellers to start looking for more reliable products then GW's.
It really wouldn’t be a problem if they would re release the exclusive models within a timely manner. The individual release of the Carrion Empire HQs should’ve been expedited when the box set sold out.
I don't honestly see any 3rd party dropping GW if they want to stay in business , what are they going to do? Rely on FFG's haphazard, sometimes empty release schedule? Support PP when US retailers in particular are dumping stock ? If they don't already support Magic then I'd guess it's hard to attract significant numbers to it at this point. Even Warlord is showing signs they really are not interested in supporting non UK retail given their recent discount card promotion and shipping options.
I'd agree they need to get the character models out asap, it sucks that stuff like the charnel throne uses the arch regent that no one can buy without turning to resellers.
I was surprised by the sprue size for the Looncurse characters, both are definitely going to be in the £25-30 range as they won't fit in clampacks.
zend wrote: It really wouldn’t be a problem if they would re release the exclusive models within a timely manner. The individual release of the Carrion Empire HQs should’ve been expedited when the box set sold out.
Doing this, and releasing more of the big boxes isn’t necessarily easy to juggle round. Production wise, the packaging and sprues, books and all in the case of boxes, they all have a schedule in place long before.
So they can’t just shuffle stuff around this close to releases.
They probably had those HQs planned for further down, assuming CE would be around for longer. Certainly with Looncurse.
They also said on community that they’d have to be looking at numbers of units produced etc. but again we know that won’t hit the next box or maybe even stuff after. As those are already produced or in production. But for forward planning hopefully it’s not an issue we will have again for the future
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Lord Kragan wrote: Man, I am starting to get pretty anxious about the AoSRPG. And not in a good way.
Why?
Nothing to do with all this Looncurse stuff I assume? As it’s not produced by GW..
Personally, I like it. These "Awakened" Weapons have been a thing in Underworlds for awhile, and it looks like this will be a nasty treat for my Idoneth.
Yes, but we are on a discussion/message board, it'd be kind of boring if everyone left their opinion to themselves. I do agree that the content teased so far is incredibly phoned in,and unless they have something massive tucked away for later to wow us, I will give this one a big pass. Feels like a repeat of Malign Portents, book which had less content than the free website everyone could access.
I really like the idea of campaign supporting items where things get better after each game. Unfortunately gamer ADD makes doing a campaign a bit of an issue. It seems like any time someone organizes one locally the various participants will get excited about some new release for some other game. Start a kill team campaign? A bunch of AoS battle tomes get released. Start an AoS campaign, some new board game comes out.
Campaigns are one of the hardest things to get right, so I guess it's good to have more support for them.
Yes, but we are on a discussion/message board, it'd be kind of boring if everyone left their opinion to themselves. I do agree that the content teased so far is incredibly phoned in,and unless they have something massive tucked away for later to wow us, I will give this one a big pass. Feels like a repeat of Malign Portents, book which had less content than the free website everyone could access.
Saying "this is going to suck" isn't a discussion. It's preemptive whining.
Yes, but we are on a discussion/message board, it'd be kind of boring if everyone left their opinion to themselves. I do agree that the content teased so far is incredibly phoned in,and unless they have something massive tucked away for later to wow us, I will give this one a big pass. Feels like a repeat of Malign Portents, book which had less content than the free website everyone could access.
Saying "this is going to suck" isn't a discussion. It's preemptive whining.
That is not quite what he said, though. I find what he did say unreasonable and hyperbolic, but it is just expressing his opinion. Kan's response was not out of line; he pointed out that if one does not feel the content justifies the price personally they are free not to buy it, with the implied calling out that one personally feeling a product is not worth it does not mean the product is not worth it at all.
Chaplain Pallantide wrote: With what happened with Carrion Empire I made sure to order two copies of Looncurse and now I’m glad I did!
Is this what the future of GW box sets is? Do i have to order two from two different people just to get it? What a sad state that is. As far as third party sellers go, especially ebay ones.. if one product they can't get then they get another product, doesn't necessarily have to be gaming stuff.
Over the past year, many Warhammer Age of Sigmar armies have received scenery pieces offering all manner of unusual benefits to their forces, like the Herdstone and the Fane of Slaanesh. Forbidden Power gives every army the option of tactical scenery with the Penumbral Engine.
In the lore, many armies have stolen Penumbral Engines from the Stormvaults – you can learn more in our preview from earlier this week. In the game, this means you can add a Penumbral Engine to your army, offering some great in-game benefits. At the beginning of the battle, you’ll roll to see just how all Penumbral Engines on the battlefield are behaving throughout the game.
Whether you’re getting additional command points or a bonus to your saving throws, the Penumbral Engine makes for a great lynchpin in your battle-lines! Be careful, however, for every battle round, there’s a chance your Penumbral Engine will switch its function…
Penumbral Engines make for great neutral terrain in your battles, with their powerful and unpredictable effects making them tactically interesting to battle over. They’re also designed to fit onto the rest of the Dominion of Sigmar scenery.
Is that throne new? I don't recall seeing it before and it hasn't been shown with these kits before. Clever use of he various parts to make the base for it.
Geifer wrote: Have halflings been mentioned in the Age of Sigmar background so far?
Because I need a cook right when Bloodbowl gets new plastic models. The timing is convenient.
The timing is intentional. The pot is being put up on made to order For the bloodbowl team, along with an old Treeman.
I was thinking of GW releasing plastic halflings just as I need them, not the made to order items. I'm currently building an adventure party and I need a cook, who may or may not go by the name Cassius Reibach.
Interesting, that treeman is the first time something is in repeat for made to order I believe. That means I can still have hope for repeat for certain other figures.
DanceOfSlaanesh wrote: Interesting, that treeman is the first time something is in repeat for made to order I believe. That means I can still have hope for repeat for certain other figures.
Honestly as long as the moulds are still in good shape there's no reason GW can't do more repeats. The only thing that will stop them is when the moulds are broken/damaged/worn beyond use. At that point chances are they will just bin the mould and the model - perhaps keeping a master around for future reference/use (insurance) but otherwise that model would be fully gone. For made to order I doubt its economical for GW to recast moulds.
That said made to order has traditionally been one-shot-wonders - a week or so and that's it. I wonder if when their new factory comes online we might see more made to order - GW has a wealth of models in their archives and some still sell well on the secondhand market. Be good for GW to tap into that and have the money coming in fresh for new investments rather than recyling around within the community (and bleeding it somewhat as old metal models command a good price online unless you're lucky to nab things without other bidders noticing)
DanceOfSlaanesh wrote: Interesting, that treeman is the first time something is in repeat for made to order I believe. That means I can still have hope for repeat for certain other figures.
Did the previous MtO coincide with a Wood Elf BB release by chance? Maybe they are just double dipping because of how that model overlaps.
I can just about justify seekers at ebay prices (only just); but yeah the Deamonettes sell for insane money on ebay. I'd love 30 just to run as a single specialist unit; though with my luck the limited run would appear with so little warning that I'd likely not have the money for them.
I really wish GW would give us more heads up on limited print runs
Is that throne new? I don't recall seeing it before and it hasn't been shown with these kits before. Clever use of he various parts to make the base for it.
It's certainly not on any of the sprues from today's pre-orders. Doesn't look familiar to me at all.
Is that throne new? I don't recall seeing it before and it hasn't been shown with these kits before. Clever use of he various parts to make the base for it.
It's certainly not on any of the sprues from today's pre-orders. Doesn't look familiar to me at all.
The picture is of the Hallowed Stormthrone for which you need to combine parts from 2 Enduring Stormvaults but the throne definitely isn't in there. I guess there might be another kit coming later for it with the throne and the small base on a sprue along with the Griffon statue sprue? The small base is not the same as the one in the Stormvault unless it's a conversion and they cut away the sides.
Is that throne new? I don't recall seeing it before and it hasn't been shown with these kits before. Clever use of he various parts to make the base for it.
It's certainly not on any of the sprues from today's pre-orders. Doesn't look familiar to me at all.
The picture is of the Hallowed Stormthrone for which you need to combine parts from 2 Enduring Stormvaults but the throne definitely isn't in there. I guess there might be another kit coming later for it with the throne and the small base on a sprue along with the Griffon statue sprue? The small base is not the same as the one in the Stormvault unless it's a conversion and they cut away the sides.
I see I'm not the only one wearing a tinfoil hat. I figured GW might use the Gryph-Hound statues as time exclusives in the big expensive set as an incentive (because everyone loves Gryph-Hounds) much like hero models in battle boxes, and then release them later in a smaller box once they got all of their sales out of the big expensive one.
Another possibility is a campaign box like 40k got, with added/different objective kit and barriers and stuff. Only in the case of Age of Sigmar including a throne.
It's either a kit that has yet to be released; was a previous kit that was never released or is just a bit of conversion work or something poached from something else.
Bit of a shame GW put the statue into all the boxes, would have thought they could have done something else a bit different. The modular design of it all is very neat though. Looks like it will be a smart set of kits; and GW has left the door open for them breaking the kits down into smaller blocks (because they appear to all be on individual sprue) if these big collected sets prove not to sell; and also to add them into future sets.
And I posted a few days ago I’d see if there was a copy of Looncurse on my local’s shelf. There is a single copy. If you want it for regular retail plus full shipping (basically, the same way MDG does his looting), PM me. I’d prefer to get it for someone who doesn’t have a box yet though; not somebody looking for a third copy or something.
jullevi wrote: It is interesting to see that GW used sliding molds to make the pillars hollow. That is a technique we haven't seen in a while from them.
GW doesn't manufacture the terrain in-house (see HERE).
I'm not seeing the modularity at all, it seems you can combine the half-circles with one of the rectangles or make a full circle and that's it. Am I missing something?
Not-not-kenny wrote: I'm not seeing the modularity at all, it seems you can combine the half-circles with one of the rectangles or make a full circle and that's it. Am I missing something?
I thought the same. Bridges only bring in the largest kit seems limiting as well. I watched an unboxing and it did seem like you could assemble the small platform in the largest set as a step onto a large platform , gaining a half bridge tile to use elsewhere. Short of buying multiple large sets your options are very limited. The best value set seems to be timeworn ruins IMO as you could base them as groups or seperately and get a bunch of scatter terrain that’s easy to transport. If I had my own gaming room I’d go for this stuff but I don’t so it’s a firm nope from my wallet on the main 3 sets.
Not-not-kenny wrote: I'm not seeing the modularity at all, it seems you can combine the half-circles with one of the rectangles or make a full circle and that's it. Am I missing something?
As per whom? GW?
There doesn't seem to be fixed positions for the pillars, and being flat topped allows you to stack stuff if you like. Some would call that modular. It's more than you can do with something like the Ophidian Archway, and less than the old Cities of Death ruins. Though to be fair since the new terrain is just ziggurats, pillars and statues they are naturally more limited than interchangeable small wall, floor and ceiling tiles in what you can do.
I guess you could call arranging several pieces and connecting them with bridges modular.
I never thought of these as super customizable but I really like them anyway because they have all the surface detail to make them interesting but are simple in shape and can easily be added to to make something more specific, like adding vegetation to make them look overgrown, or add walls from other kits, and so on. It's really the clean simplicity of the base kit that won me over.
Not quite as modular as I was hoping, I was hoping the steps of the hills would be separate to the platforms - so you could extend them before adding on the steps and have very wide or long hills.
What I haven't seen, but am still hoping for, is that the mid size hill will nicely stack on the larger one and the small diddy hill can be extended to stack on that (the small diddy one does appear to be steps and platform separate. Hard to guage, but it does look like that will be the case, so you can have a very high ziggurat etc.
puree wrote: Not quite as modular as I was hoping, I was hoping the steps of the hills would be separate to the platforms - so you could extend them before adding on the steps and have very wide or long hills.
What I haven't seen, but am still hoping for, is that the mid size hill will nicely stack on the larger one and the small diddy hill can be extended to stack on that (the small diddy one does appear to be steps and platform separate. Hard to guage, but it does look like that will be the case, so you can have a very high ziggurat etc.
I'm pretty sure two of the larger base (the one that slots into the half round) will be the platform for the medium "hill" to create a super tall structure for hiding larger models behind.
I feel like there was as shot of that in the Warhammer Fest coverage but I may be misremembering.
EDIT: Yup, its not quite as neat as I thought, but you can indeed stack them.
That's cool. Thanks for posting*. I actually like that it's not a neat fit. The wider step in the middle makes it look more interesting, and the open space in the front gives you room to place models or an altar or something. Much better than uninterrupted stairs
*Granted, there is the downside that my willpower is dwindling and I might have to buy one after all. Surely if it stacks, it'll fit into my showcase and serve a purpose after all.
I think it would look better if the columns were on the second ‘level’ of the double-height section. That way the column bases stay on the inset ‘shelf’ and it also looks more imposing from ground level.
Also, does anyone else want to make a partially-demolished roof section to go with the set? I feel like they missed a trick by not including that.
Given you need two large boxes to get the required two large rectangular ziggurat halves, I was thinking more along the lines of leaving the pillars where they are but adding a second level of pillars on top. That would rob you of pieces for the dais, but you'd still have some ruined ones that you can't stack, and would give your main temple a better look.
Roof would be cool. With Sigmar it could go either way, since he's both the god of civilization (so roofs are thing) and god of heavens (so you want an unobstructed view), so I'm not bothered by the absence of roofs, but adding one would certainly not go amiss either.
Two kits though is going to push you into the near £200 mark new or down to around £150 or so from 3rd parties so that's a big chunk of money for the terrain.
Overread wrote: Two kits though is going to push you into the near £200 mark new or down to around £150 or so from 3rd parties so that's a big chunk of money for the terrain.
Life can't be all sunshine and lollipops now can it?
I'm not going back on what I said earlier. Price is pretty steep and GW could have done better. At 90€ for one Enduring Stormvault I might have actually gone and bought two just to have something cool to build. Possibly with some Azyrite Ruins on the side because why not? For 125€ that's a far tougher proposition and I'm not in a rush to buy anything, if I even buy at all.
That said, it's the initial release of these kits. Who knows if they won't feature in a Christmas box or the equivalent of a Killzone down the line. Might make the whole deal a lot more palatable. I know that after Killzones were released I have a lot more Munitorum Containers than I did before.
Geifer wrote: Roof would be cool. With Sigmar it could go either way, since he's both the god of civilization (so roofs are thing) and god of heavens (so you want an unobstructed view), so I'm not bothered by the absence of roofs, but adding one would certainly not go amiss either.
Greek temples (which this is kinda blatantly derived from architecturally, if not stylistically) allowed for a hole in the roof so the main statue of the god/dess would always be illuminated, and generally very much brighter than the interior of the shrine. Would have been awesome to see, which was of course the point.
So yeah, I’m sure we can accommodate a roof and leave room for Sigmar to see the heavens.
Cataphract wrote: Any word on the Allegiance abilities for the Lethis Free Peoples And Legion of Grief?
GMG has a full reading of the book up already.
I just bought a Proxxon hot wire cutter for significantly less than what the big terrain set costs so I don't need to spend big money on ziggurats that cost GW less to make than the box they come in.
Geifer wrote: Roof would be cool. With Sigmar it could go either way, since he's both the god of civilization (so roofs are thing) and god of heavens (so you want an unobstructed view), so I'm not bothered by the absence of roofs, but adding one would certainly not go amiss either.
Greek temples (which this is kinda blatantly derived from architecturally, if not stylistically) allowed for a hole in the roof so the main statue of the god/dess would always be illuminated, and generally very much brighter than the interior of the shrine. Would have been awesome to see, which was of course the point.
So yeah, I’m sure we can accommodate a roof and leave room for Sigmar to see the heavens.
I'm pretty sure it's more about the practicality of playing on the terrain than the in-universe roof structure.
My regular source is saying he’s getting heavily allocated on this box.
Is there a possibility this sells out, or is this something that should stay in stock for a while after release, so the limited thing is only temporary?
I see I'm not the only one wearing a tinfoil hat. I figured GW might use the Gryph-Hound statues as time exclusives in the big expensive set as an incentive (because everyone loves Gryph-Hounds) much like hero models in battle boxes, and then release them later in a smaller box once they got all of their sales out of the big expensive one.
I would buy a ton of the those statues if they were available separately.
I like the gryph statues, the pillars and the standing and broken statues. The hills are okay, but the stairs seem like a lot of unplayable dead space compared to other ways you can design elevation. A piece here and there isn't going to be a big deal, but if people make structures out of multiple kits, then it's going to be a lot of the table where models can't end their movement safely (or at all)
Might be easier to keep track of in a skirmish game than when you have units of twenty or thirty lining up, but the stairs are steep and probably save as much space as reasonably possible without compromising looks and scale. You would, after all, expect that human sized models could still put a foot on those steps. That's just an inherent problem of anything that slopes. I can't say I've ever seen a single elegant solution to this problem in all my years of gaming. It's all about compromise and minimizing negative impact.
You only really need the front half of your foot to go up stairs anyways.
I like them because the slope needed to balance models on consistently is impractically shallow for making terrain like this, but the step structure makes it easy to say 'okay, the front of this unit is 3 steps from the top'. But my opinion may change when I actually get to play with them.
I guess people could make stackers that either sit on the table and support the back of the model or ones that are like the stairs themselves on the bottom. Like a small upside down staircase piece that sits on the stairs like the pillars.
In the Warhammer Community article on the Forbidden Power: Death on the Water. There is a picture posted with a unit I dont recognise. Is the Nighthaunt unit in the middle right side a new unit?
fable_dd wrote: In the Warhammer Community article on the Forbidden Power: Death on the Water. There is a picture posted with a unit I dont recognise. Is the Nighthaunt unit in the middle right side a new unit?
There's fyreslayers artwork with twin winged dragonlike creatures in them. Basically there's loads of stuff in artwork that is not always shown in models and might never be. Some might just be creativity, some might be ideas that are solid one moment and then changed/abandoned etc....
No Warhammer Tv painting guide for the new Keeper of Secrets model? Shame on you, GW.
And shame on this place... I consider these forums as having the highest of standards for complaining about absolutely everything and yet I don't see pages devoted to this? ......
NinthMusketeer wrote: Still waiting for my plague monks with two-handed censer-spears!!
A picture, please? Or at least the battletome it is found in.
I really want new Skaven models for all the old and dated plastic or horribly expensive finecast models you're supposed to turn into UNITS.
Battletome: Skaven Pestilens. Forget where in the book it is, been a while. It's a small image that really doesn't indicate a new unit or anything, I just use it as a cheeky reference.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Still waiting for my plague monks with two-handed censer-spears!!
A picture, please? Or at least the battletome it is found in.
I really want new Skaven models for all the old and dated plastic or horribly expensive finecast models you're supposed to turn into UNITS.
Battletome: Skaven Pestilens. Forget where in the book it is, been a while. It's a small image that really doesn't indicate a new unit or anything, I just use it as a cheeky reference.
Except GW doesn't do these days much if any art WITHOUT model for it so who knows...
Venomcrawler for 40k was sneakpeaked so to speak in art as well.
I'd guess this was when the Sylvaneth were supposed to happen (especially since the digital codex was briefly up then yanked), and they couldn't move anything to fill the hole left by the customs delay.
Got to say on those leaks: Like with the dwarfs, I feel like the new models being spells (or whatever) rather than normal units is just a loss for the army. The fire elemental, worm and hive would have been far more interesting as just units.
Wow, Martial Memories is still awfully worded. Good to see! Shame they didn't stick with what Ylthari's Guardians currently have(At the start of the combat phase, roll a dice for each friendly unit within 3" of an enemy unit. On a 3+, that unit fights at the start of the combat phase, before the players pick any units to fight) as being the Martial Memories.
It's fluffier, it's better, and it actually is seeming to be the current design ethos.
Also, this book must have been done before the Arch-Revenant was. There's a "Free Spirits" Warscroll Battalion...and it's just copy/pasted from the current book?!
Get your act together, this is pathetic.
Edit Note: It's entirely possible that the reason this was yanked is that it's not reflective of the new book proper. But given that it lines up with what I have in Looncurse? Yeah. It looks about right. And that irritates me. It's the old Sylvaneth book with seemingly no real thought given to it.
Kanluwen wrote: Wow, Martial Memories is still awfully worded. Good to see! Shame they didn't stick with what Ylthari's Guardians currently have(At the start of the combat phase, roll a dice for each friendly unit within 3" of an enemy unit. On a 3+, that unit fights at the start of the combat phase, before the players pick any units to fight) as being the Martial Memories.
It's fluffier, it's better, and it actually is seeming to be the current design ethos.
Also, this book must have been done before the Arch-Revenant was. There's a "Free Spirits" Warscroll Battalion...and it's just copy/pasted from the current book?!
Get your act together, this is pathetic.
Edit Note:
It's entirely possible that the reason this was yanked is that it's not reflective of the new book proper. But given that it lines up with what I have in Looncurse? Yeah. It looks about right.
And that irritates me. It's the old Sylvaneth book with seemingly no real thought given to it.
I mean, I am 100% sure the reason it was yanked is because it went up early by accident. I am fairly certain what we see here is going to match the printed copy.
I am sure they will faq the Free Spirits issue. I also am disappointing that they didn't go with the warband version of Martial memories.
Jury is still out on the full book though, need sometime to digest it. The brightside is it looks like people won't have to spend 200 points on battalions anymore, with the way groves work.
Kanluwen wrote: Wow, Martial Memories is still awfully worded. Good to see! Shame they didn't stick with what Ylthari's Guardians currently have(At the start of the combat phase, roll a dice for each friendly unit within 3" of an enemy unit. On a 3+, that unit fights at the start of the combat phase, before the players pick any units to fight) as being the Martial Memories.
It's fluffier, it's better, and it actually is seeming to be the current design ethos.
Also, this book must have been done before the Arch-Revenant was. There's a "Free Spirits" Warscroll Battalion...and it's just copy/pasted from the current book?!
Get your act together, this is pathetic.
Edit Note:
It's entirely possible that the reason this was yanked is that it's not reflective of the new book proper. But given that it lines up with what I have in Looncurse? Yeah. It looks about right.
And that irritates me. It's the old Sylvaneth book with seemingly no real thought given to it.
I mean, I am 100% sure the reason it was yanked is because it went up early by accident. I am fairly certain what we see here is going to match the printed copy.
I'm sure that it's a big part of it, but also the possibility does exist that there's stuff different between the digital and physical copies. It isn't like them to not even acknowledge slipups like this.
I am sure they will faq the Free Spirits issue.
I'm still waiting for them to actually make anything that isn't Ionrach reflective of the Warscroll Battalions, so I don't expect that. They screwed the pooch--end of story.
I also am disappointing that they didn't go with the warband version of Martial memories.
Jury is still out on the full book though, need sometime to digest it. The brightside is it looks like people won't have to spend 200 points on battalions anymore, with the way groves work.
Groves are the "Special Keywords" bit. Not sure why we're talking about them, because yeah--you're still going to need to drop points on battalions if you want them.
This was a huge missed opportunity to make the army more reasonable to play with more flexible battalion choices.
We've known about the books for awhile. We have a whole "Coming Soon" section that tells us months in advance. They've talked about it time and time again.
We've known about the books for awhile. We have a whole "Coming Soon" section that tells us months in advance. They've talked about it time and time again.
They don't view those as "preorders" I might add.
Not everyone keeps up with the Black Library releases...
We've known about the books for awhile. We have a whole "Coming Soon" section that tells us months in advance. They've talked about it time and time again.
They don't view those as "preorders" I might add.
Not everyone keeps up with the Black Library releases...
We've known about the books for awhile. We have a whole "Coming Soon" section that tells us months in advance. They've talked about it time and time again.
They don't view those as "preorders" I might add.
Not everyone keeps up with the Black Library releases...
Mind your tone please - BrookM
Chill out, that’s a whole other thread that some of us go into.
GW's Facebook page says there will be some Black Library releases on the 8th.
OH BOY! SOME BLACK LIBRARY RELEASES!
It's "Titandeath", "Old Earth", and "Gotrek and Felix: Third Omnibus".
It's right here.
It's nothing exciting, nothing fun, nothing interesting. It's just stuff that would have been coming out anyways.
Hey! I'm excited about Gotrek and Felix 3rd!
Asides which this kind of shows us how spoilt we've been over the last few years by GW that a week without new models/stuff is actually looked down upon whereas not long ago we could have gone a month or more without a major release nor even any preview hints either. Heck whilst 2019 and into 2020 I expect to be heavy on releases as GW keeps updating AoS, I figure after that we will eventually see their release pace slow down. Even GW has admitted in their shareholders meetings that their current pace is not a long term pattern they expect to continue.
Which isn't to say that they will go back to nothing, but that likely once all the battletomes/codex are released we will see longer release windows as GW spreads out larger army releases and updates; though this might well be masked by them having more specialist games so we could just see more specialist week releases filling up longer main-line game release gaps.
It's pretty clear to me that the gap in the schedule is the result of the Sylvaneth delay. As we have seen from the battletome leak it was probably intended to go up for pre-order last the week before last. Forbidden Power was moved up to fill the slot but that has left a gap next week. Hopefully we don't see any more similar delays.
Impressive but needs 4! Enduring Stormvaults to make it!!!
Spoiler:
If I had more money than sense* I'd totally do that, too. These assemblies exemplify why I think so highly of the temple design. It's simple but has a lot of potential for larger complexes.
*Not a high bar, I realize. Sense is overrated anyway.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Until he makes a 6x4 table entirely out of enduring stormvaults he still has work left.
With glue (or pegs if you got really keen) you could certainly use them to build an underground maze of rooms and structures all supporting a play table made up of the terrain! An epic if obnoxiously expensive way to build a classy table!
I tried to build my Galvanic Magnavent or whatever the terrain from the IK: Renegade box is called without a manual (split box, might be at my brother's place or I threw it out...) and boy am I not good at this. Terrain really is a different beast compared to models where I'll stick bits from ten different kits together no problem and it'll look good. So I really appreciate the AoS stuff being simpler
I'll wait for the Warcry box, though, and see how that combines with the Stormvault stuff. Well, maybe a box of the scatter stuff won't hurt, right?
PS: I REALLY wish they'd bring back the WHFB buldings back, though, that chapell would fit right in with the super ornamental AoS stuff.
There's still a piece or so available. The Warscryer Citadel looks like it's still available despite being on 'Last Chance to Buy' for several months. Also the Sigmarite Mausoleum, Magewrath Throne and Balewind Vortex are stil available, all are old WHFB terrain pieces.
So they’d commented on Community that you wouldn’t have to replace your existing Woods for the new ones, but the battletome only had rules for the new ones.
AduroT wrote: So they’d commented on Community that you wouldn’t have to replace your existing Woods for the new ones, but the battletome only had rules for the new ones.
Yeah, because the old ones are just considered the same as the new ones.
AduroT wrote: So they’d commented on Community that you wouldn’t have to replace your existing Woods for the new ones, but the battletome only had rules for the new ones.
Yeah, because the old ones are just considered the same as the new ones.
That’s going to make them really hard to use the old ones given the rules for an Awakened Wyldwood is 3-6 Citadel Woods.
AduroT wrote: So they’d commented on Community that you wouldn’t have to replace your existing Woods for the new ones, but the battletome only had rules for the new ones.
Yeah, because the old ones are just considered the same as the new ones.
That’s going to make them really hard to use the old ones given the rules for an Awakened Wyldwood is 3-6 Citadel Woods.
It's the same size footprint from what's been said. Just 'open' rather than 'closed' like the current one.
AduroT wrote: So they’d commented on Community that you wouldn’t have to replace your existing Woods for the new ones, but the battletome only had rules for the new ones.
Yeah, because the old ones are just considered the same as the new ones.
That’s going to make them really hard to use the old ones given the rules for an Awakened Wyldwood is 3-6 Citadel Woods.
It's the same size footprint from what's been said. Just 'open' rather than 'closed' like the current one.
Yes, it’s the same size, but now you have to use more of them. It was 1-3 Woods for a Wyldwood. Now it’s 3-6. It’s not easy to put three Woods on a board 1” away from everything else.
warl0rdb0b wrote: I would assume it means individual trees now as apposed to the entire base if using the original model, rather than 3 whole Citadel Woods
I doubt it, because the current Sylvaneth Wyldwood is 1-3 sets of Citadel Woods.
The way they’re describing a Wyldwood, they’re counting each crescent piece of the new model as a separate Citadel Wood. Trying to make a Wyldwood, using the new rules for a Wyldwood, but the old models for a Citadel Wood would be nearly impossible on most tables. Battletome alone, you’ll need to replace all your old Woods with the new ones. It’s going to require an FAQ/Errata otherwise.
Yeah, the battletome rules don't cover the old woods in any real way. I assume the intent is to treat an existing wood as a Wyldwood and maybe if we're lucky set two up against each other so that a Wyldwood is defined as 3-6 "trees".
AduroT wrote: That would be acceptable, though gone are my days of terraforming the board based on the pdf.
The 6' away from an objective hurts a lot.
That and they removed the spell that makes more and Treelord Ancients are limited to one a game, but that one doesn’t require a roll. Still have the acorn though.
AduroT wrote: That would be acceptable, though gone are my days of terraforming the board based on the pdf.
The 6' away from an objective hurts a lot.
That and they removed the spell that makes more and Treelord Ancients are limited to one a game, but that one doesn’t require a roll. Still have the acorn though.
They didn't remove it. It's just hidden at the top of the spell page. EVERY Sylvaneth Wizard inherently knows it now without taking up their spell slot.
AduroT wrote: That would be acceptable, though gone are my days of terraforming the board based on the pdf.
The 6' away from an objective hurts a lot.
That and they removed the spell that makes more and Treelord Ancients are limited to one a game, but that one doesn’t require a roll. Still have the acorn though.
They didn't remove it. It's just hidden at the top of the spell page. EVERY Sylvaneth Wizard inherently knows it now without taking up their spell slot.
Yeah, every Sylvaneth wizard knows it now, which is actually nice.
One thing is, only the first wyldwood has to be 6' away from an objective. Each time you create one after that, it only has to be 1' away, which is nice. It also doesn't follow the enemy territory restrictions. They also increased the range on the acron and verdant blessing.
The big thing is now getting first turn with a big 1 or 2 drop list is going to be nearly impossible now, without paying for the subpar battalions.
Yeah, Citadel Wood now seems to refer to a single tree with the crescent footprint, while the model formerly known as Citadel Wood was an area feature with three trees. Awakened Wyldwood consists of 3-6 Citadel Woods, but I expect there'll be an FAQ one way or the other about how to coutn the old ones.
A simple solution might be to redefine Citadel Wood to mean either a single new tree or a single old tree, and call it a day.
In any case, I was thinking about it - the most Awakened Wyldwoods you'd have is... 8? 5 rounds, item, allegiance ability, and duplicate allegiance for the megabattalion. I guess if Alarielle kills a unit you could have more - you'd tap out at another 5 if she killed a unit each turn.
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