Kinda sorta agree on the ruined temple needing a set or one tile that can be turned to created some bigger ruins that span across. All the other ones work really well with low continuity, but these ones I can see a bit of need for both tile spanning ruins and also elevation on said ruins. I have faith in Justin though, let's see what he comes up with!
DaveC wrote: ALL Urban street designs now have an 8 square grid plus there will be subtle markings like cracks on the roads to mark out the 3"x3" grid where it can't be done with paving stones.
Do I understand this right: We went from "No grid because premeasuring is bad in most tabletops" to "Grids for everyone because I know a game on kickstarter needing a grid" ?
H.B.M.C. wrote: My fear with the ruined temple parts is that they look very compartmentalised. So rather than having a board that is a ruined temple, you have a board with 36 individual ruined temple bits that don't spill over. A very neat mess, in other words. It would look unnatural.
Good observation - it would be good if there was something in the design that made some of the tiles flow from one to another.
Perhaps if there was some element of ruined structure...
But done subtly enough that if you don't line them up it doesn't look bad either.
See, I want less ruins, and more of the central plaza in your second picture. The ruins spanning across tiles should be the scatter terrain, not built into the tiles. I want really spectacular tiles that can be put together to make a plaza. I totally think some elevation could be built into some of the tiles, such as a nice large fountain, or some plinths for statues or altars or tombs, etc. but this is way too busy and certainly doesn't allow for terrain to be placed on top of it. With this set, I think less is more. Spruce up that dead zone board with different sized cobbles/tiles on the tile, so that it looks like it would be in a church/temple or a courtyard/plaza surrounding that temple or castle or what have you. This would then marry up to so many other choices, like the RoB, the other SWM sets, pretty much anything.
Also, when I said Roman plaza earlier, I wasn't thinking broken columns and stuff in the tiles, but rather clean rows of cobbles and tiles that would flow from one of these tiles over into the next. You could even incorporate a circular pattern or other mosaic, because you could have the edges match up to other tiles on two sides, and the circle, with four tiles repeated, could be a center piece, or in the corners of the board, so still allows many layouts......the stuff shown just is TOO cluttered. I can't set my fantasy castle on that, I can't put the chaos temple on that, I can't put my anything on those tiles as its just far too busy. I might be the first KS to say this, but I want Less!
I'd like a mixture of both "plaza" style and tiles that suggest some "structure" continuity - I went for those pictures as I thought intact buildings made a better illustration than ruins of where there might be continuity.
Exactly. There has to be continuity between the tiles, otherwise it's just these neat 1x1 piles of temple-themed rubble set up in a 6x4 grid and it'll look really weird.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Exactly. There has to be continuity between the tiles, otherwise it's just these neat 1x1 piles of temple-themed rubble set up in a 6x4 grid and it'll look really weird.
This is the main reason why I am getting the Urban Roads and waiting for the trenches.
Most cohesive groups.
Also like the 1.5 inch grid on the tables as well (perfect for FFG games... even if not 1 inch). Means we can fit larger models finally ;-)
DaveC wrote: ALL Urban street designs now have an 8 square grid plus there will be subtle markings like cracks on the roads to mark out the 3"x3" grid where it can't be done with paving stones.
Do I understand this right: We went from "No grid because premeasuring is bad in most tabletops" to "Grids for everyone because I know a game on kickstarter needing a grid" ?
RiTides wrote:Kroot- No, they just changed the grid size afaik, it was a 7-wide instead of 8-wide grid previously (again, afaik).
In the quote it is explicitely stated that all urban tiles get a grid, not just the "basement tile".
THERE WILL BE NO GRID ON URBAN STREETS -- Just so we're clear
If, and only if, we can make it look natural, organic, and anything but obvious we will align SOME of the natural cracking on the Urban Streets tiles to HELP people line up their grids. But the Urban Streets set WILL NOT HAVE A GRID because I would hate that with all of my heart and soul.
Also, hello. I'm trying to get caught up again and this one was a biggie!
RUINED TEMPLE
The concepts that folks are commenting on are intentionally heavy handed. We're sorting through ruined elements -- defiled graves, fallen walls, bits of column, etc. -- and NOT looking to finalize the tiles yet.
The finished concepts will include plenty of dirt and cut stone -- with raised foundation tiles that fill the full 12" square so you can either make a BIG temple complex, or lots of smaller ones.
We're still working on changes to the Ruined Temple and I've given the green light to 6 of 16 elements -- and asked for an all new round of sketches. None of what you can see at the moment will be in the final concepts, let alone the renders.
ONE THOUSAND PLEDGES!
While I was trying to wrestle my kid into the shower, and get back to this reply (I honestly started almost two hours ago!) we broke 1,000 pledges on the campaign. So there's that. We also seem to have broken $200,000 which fully unlocks the "Rolling Fields" theme -- and while that number will go up and down for the next few hours I think that makes it official!
And now I'll go away again until there are a couple of pages of new comments so I can try to get caught up. Hats off to Cyporiean for keeping up with some of the questions for me. Things are so busy it's almost physically painful!
misterjustin / Cyp- so since the Urban Streets will not have a grid, can you clarify if the Deadzone tiles are a completely separate mold/cast, or what is going on there?
RiTides wrote: misterjustin / Cyp- so since the Urban Streets will not have a grid, can you clarify if the Deadzone tiles are a completely separate mold/cast, or what is going on there?
The Deadzone tiles is just the Foundation Tile for the Urban Streets set, they were already made up of concrete slabs in a grid pattern, when the Deadzone deal happened the size of the grid was modified to be 1.5"/3" squares. The Deadzone set is 1 single tile repeated 4 times.
Additionally, the Sidewalks on the other tiles in the set were had the same concrete slab grid pattern going on, and those will be modified as well to match up.
Congrats Justin, you're making a great product, and I'm glad your KS has been so successful.
Please don't mistake my criticism of the ruins as anything other than hoping to maybe get it closer to what I'm wanting. I'm looking forward to the next round pictures. Go SWM!
It gives me great pleasure to include the "100% FUNDED!" graphic for the "Rolling Fields" table theme.
Of course this theme, like the others, has gone through some changes since it was first introduced -- and will now include TWO unique straight creek designs instead of one -- but here's a look at the Display Board option to give you an idea of what we're working on:
The concept artist and 3D designer are cranking away, and I should have new renders on Monday (6-May) to show off as we come into the final stretch.
"Ruined Temple" is next in the queue -- with a Display Board option at $240,000 -- and TOTALLY WITHIN REACH!
My thanks (again!) for your continued support, enthusiasm, and feedback. We're going to rock this thing!
Yup, Cyporiean has the right of it. One of the Urban Streets foundation tiles had 7 squares to a row on it, and now it has 8. The Display Board option for Deadzone is just that one tile repeated four times, per Mantic's request. The rest of the set is still all Urban Streets per our original vision.
Missing from the $200k "Rolling Fields" update was the incredible freebie offered up by On The Lamb Games -- everyone will be receiving a copy of the Brushfire rules!
With "Rolling Fields" unlocked you'll see the tiles at the On The Lamb Games booth as demo tables, and they're the perfect companion to your force -- with rough-hewn rocks, and boulder scatter terrain on the way to help you flesh out your world.
Many thanks to On The Lamb Games -- for this gift, but also for hosting the tiles at Adepticon, helping me keep up with comments here (and on DakkaDakka!), and otherwise rockin' an excellent game and being wonderful.
You can of course find out more about Brushfire and On The Lamb Games by visiting our Website.. or the Dakka Subsection.
Oh, I see- yeah someone was adjusting their pledge and it temporarily dropped back down below 200K. But you can see that SW's update saying 200k was past was several minutes ago, and we've kind of got a page full of comments here and on the KS page about it
And at a 10% discount, meaning a display board added to another pledge is $54 instead of $60
Tom, you just made me realize something- since it dipped to 999 backers and just under 200K, then back up... it actually passed both goals simultaneously with one backer's input. Which is pretty darn cool
Immediately after that person posted asking for add-on prices, I pointed to the spot on the main page where the add-on info is
There's not a menu because I've made most of the SWM catalog available separately at 20% off -- in addition to the Kickstarter related add-on items. It would need pages and pages to itself.
Yeah I edited above when I saw that . But I think the Tablescapes tile sets at 10% off might deserve to be listed out, since it's only a few things! (Including the $54 display board I mentioned above)
Hey Justin quick question. I'm pretty sure it's already been asked and answered but i can't rememeber where or what the answer was.
I'm in for a mini-wargamer and looking at getting the one of the urban boards. My question is can i get a mix of both damaged and clean tiles in my pledge, say 16 damaged and 8 clean? Or am i limited to one or the other?
I spent a bit of time today messing around in Excel doing street grid layouts, using a presumed purchase of 2x16 Tiles + 4 display tiles (which I presume are compatible with the standard tiles, yes?). The major hang-up is the 8 straight roads. In almost every instance I wished I had 9, but beyond that there are a lot of possibilities with the above set up.
I know I'm asking a lot of questions, but I think I have just one more.
If I'm pledging for two sets of 16 + display board of 4 (for the extra blank non-road urban tiles), that would be Wargamer Pledge Level + the $54 Display Board add-on for a total pledge amount of $304, yes?
H.B.M.C. wrote:I know I'm asking a lot of questions, but I think I have just one more.
If I'm pledging for two sets of 16 + display board of 4 (for the extra blank non-road urban tiles), that would be Wargamer Pledge Level + the $54 Display Board add-on for a total pledge amount of $304, yes?
Yes.
Kroothawk wrote:Also: Seems there is no early bird option listed in the product table.
Its an excel sheet, its easy to modify one of the pledge level prices to whatever you have.
Has anyone thought about mixing the damaged city tiles with the scrap yard tiles to make a bombed out urban area? I'm trying to picture how that would look, but I'm just not sure if they would good together.
Maybe it would help if they showed some renders of some different sample configurations, including with mixed sets, to give people ideas.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I spent a bit of time today messing around in Excel doing street grid layouts, using a presumed purchase of 2x16 Tiles + 4 display tiles (which I presume are compatible with the standard tiles, yes?). The major hang-up is the 8 straight roads. In almost every instance I wished I had 9, but beyond that there are a lot of possibilities with the above set up.
It is getting more likely that I will pledge.
I would be interested in seeing some layout ideas you came up with. I think the kickstarter could really have benefited from showing some good examples of what you could do with the tiles, which they haven't done at all. But when you say you wish you had 9 straight tiles, wouldn't you have 10? If I'm not mistaken, the display board comes with two straight roads, and two foundation tiles. Or were you talking about the Deadzone board?
Cyporiean wrote:From what I remember, the answer is Yes.
Thank you for the clarification.
Cyporiean wrote:I could see mixing the Streets, Scrapyard, and Fields sets to make a more diverse city complete with Junkyard and Park.
I'd like to see a mix of rolling fields or desert/beach and trench system. You could create a D-day style beach assault or something which i think would be excellent.
Snrub wrote: can i get a mix of both damaged and clean tiles in my pledge, say 16 damaged and 8 clean?
You will be able to get a mix - yes. No problems there.
@ HMBC -- after the campaign I will be making road and foundation tile expansion sets -- in the interim your pledge amount is correct. THANKS!
@ Kroothawk -- Cyporiean has the right of it, if you had an EB spot just modify your total. I didn't include them in the spreadsheet as they represent 200/1,000 backers and someone would mess it up
@ Albino Squirrel -- we haven't done mash-ups with the tiles, but each set has been previewed at 16, 24, and 32 tile layouts.
Secret Weapon wrote:By now you've probably seen the photos of the undamaged wall set for "Urban Streets" -- but here's a quick video preview of the set... CAST IN RESIN!
That's right, the first wall sections have been designed, printed, molded, and cast. I need to do some clean-up work on them but here they are!
I'm hoping to have concept art for the "Rolling Fields" walls in the next day or two -- keeping the size/shape of the other wall sets, but made from rough-hewn stone, as well as more of the scatter terrain for all of the unlocked sets!
Funding has been jumping and new backers are pouring in -- here's to unlocking the "Ruined Temple" Display Board... and then the full set!
RiTides wrote: HBMC- Would be cool to see a screenshot of your layouts
Albino Squirrel wrote: I would be interested in seeing some layout ideas you came up with.
Let’s make something very clear here – these layouts are nothing revolutionary, neither in their style or presentation. I’m not using some fancy 3D program to make nice isometric views or detailed layouts. I’m using Excel, and using the lines/boarders function to create basic shapes (cross sections, t-junctions, etc.). It’s about as primitive as you can get, but served a good purpose for just brainstorming what one can do with 2 sets of 16 (and an extra 4 foundation tiles).
Albino Squirrel wrote: But when you say you wish you had 9 straight tiles, wouldn't you have 10?
Quite correct. To get the 9th you would end up with a 10th. My point was I found a lot of the layouts used all 8 of the straight roads very quickly, forcing me to use an ‘end’ that ends the road (assuming that there are dead ends in the final kit – I’m hoping for at least two) or to use a t-junction as a straight, and then attack an end to that.
misterjustin wrote: @ HMBC -- after the campaign I will be making road and foundation tile expansion sets -- in the interim your pledge amount is correct. THANKS!
I do hope one of those expansions includes two 90 degree turns. So many of the layouts would be much better if I didn’t have to use T-junctions to put in corners.
Now I admit that I am kinda obsessive when it comes to making layouts in discrete units – I hate roads that don’t end properly, and just crash into a foundation tile. I do this for everything – I hate Space Hulk corridors that don’t have end caps, I play around with my D&D tiles endlessly to ensure that cave networks have no tunnels that go nowhere, and I am endlessly thankful that FFG’s DOOM tile sets come with tons and tons of little ‘end caps’. In all the layouts I made roads either came to an end point, or ran off the edge (which is why so many x-sections are in the corners). That’s just the way my brain works.
Having some corners would make life easier.
In any case, I’m in for 16x2 Urban Roads (1 clean, 1 destroyed) + 4 Foundation Tile display base.
Kr00gZ wrote: I'm a bit gipped at them getting pinged for "In Store Add-ins". :(
Hope they work something out...
I'm not speaking for SWM here, but I know that if it were my campaign, I'd have everything available in the pledge manager after the campaign closes since there is nothing Kickstarter can do about that. I of course would not be able to say that officially during a campaign.. I'd have to rely on people that are not speaking for me to relay that information.
If I'm pledging for two sets of 16 + display board of 4 (for the extra blank non-road urban tiles), that would be Wargamer Pledge Level + the $54 Display Board add-on for a total pledge amount of $304.
I don’t know if this will work, and sorry if the pic comes across as either too big or too small, but here’s what I meant by my (very basic) layouts. I’ve made tons and tons of these.
As I said, they are basic layouts. You've seen heaps more in that file I sent you yesterday. I've done about twice as many since then.
The squares with the dotted lines are the 4 extra foundation tiles from the display pack. None of those layouts use all the tiles, although with the tiles I'm ordering I can cover my 5x6 table and even make a 6x6 table (although with so many t-junctions and x-sections it looks a little silly).
This is the first render for the damaged "Urban Streets" tile set -- and while I'm happy to post it, I won't share the language from the designer that accompanied it. It turns out that creating a lot of subtle, organic cracking and textures is hard work... BUT TOTALLY WORTH IT! You can see now why there was a delay in getting this render -- because this is a factory ready file and a good representation of what this tile will look like.
Take note that while clearly damaged, and a nice compliment to our "Urban Streets" base theme, the tile is still reasonably flat to allow for easy game play.
Of course there has also been work on some of the "Urban Streets" scatter terrain -- including this Security Barrier. It measures 2" wide (perfect for the sidewalk - or to use with a 6" straight wall to block a road!) and has a firing point built into it.
And someone wanted to see the concepts for the "Rolling Fields" wall/fortification set, and a sampling of the scatter terrain, and here it is! Rough-hewn stone, boulders, a bridge to span the creek, low walls... PERFECT for your fantasy, historical, or backwater sci-fi games!
BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!
One of the things we've been working on in the shadows are the edge clips for your Tablescapes Tiles... and here they are!
This is part of the investment being made outside of this campaign -- and there's still more to share! The folks at Wargames Factory came up with the idea of inter-locking risers to keep the tiles separated -- instead of having to include spacers in multiple sizes -- and they're working on some designs for us! It just gets better and better, and we haven't even closed the campaign yet!
There are four full days to go, and we're ramping up to give you all of the new renders and concepts we can in that time. "Ruined Temple" is the next theme to unlock, and it is absolutely within reach.
Man, I made the right decision on this one. Just so I'm clear, since I'm getting the wargamer, I can get 1 set of damaged and one set of clean streets, and I'm good to go, no?
What's the tile layout for the mixed urban 16 tile set? Do you get both the damaged and undamaged version of the checkpoint and liftgate (basically, one of each unique tile), or is it opted to get more regular roads for more balanced layouts?
Redemption wrote:What's the tile layout for the mixed urban 16 tile set? Do you get both the damaged and undamaged version of the checkpoint and liftgate (basically, one of each unique tile), or is it opted to get more regular roads for more balanced layouts?
I've relayed your question into the comments, when I have an answer I'll make sure to post it.
H.B.M.C. wrote:It'll be embarrassing if that bridge doesn't span the river sections on the rolling hills tiles.
Redemption wrote: What's the tile layout for the mixed urban 16 tile set? Do you get both the damaged and undamaged version of the checkpoint and liftgate (basically, one of each unique tile), or is it opted to get more regular roads for more balanced layouts?
Yes, the 16 tile mixed set will include one of each tile.
Uuuhhh... I assumed those were the clean urban tiles. They are a spitting image of the streets in Montreal, and there hasn't been a war here in, well, ever. I wonder if getting the "clean" tiles will look to unrealistic to my eyes.
The streets in Montreal must be worse than even the ones in Baltimore and that's saying something! (We've been ranked anywhere from 10th to 3rd worst in the US...)
Okay. I've upped my pledge from a token $1 to Mini-Wargamer to get a 4x6 board. I'm looking at the ruined city tiles now (what a surprise, eh?) and can only hope the rolling hills look just as nice. Either way, getting a hard plastic board at 2/3 the cost of GW's (and none of the stupid skull pits) is a win in my book.
Breotan wrote: Okay. I've upped my pledge from a token $1 to Mini-Wargamer to get a 4x6 board. I'm looking at the ruined city tiles now (what a surprise, eh?) and can only hope the rolling hills look just as nice. Either way, getting a hard plastic board at 2/3 the cost of GW's (and none of the stupid skull pits) is a win in my book.
Do you know if it is possible to get a mixed 'clean' and 'ruined' Urban board at the 4' x 6' level?
This is a VERY poor time period for me to take a drastic cut in pay (retiring from active duty), and for my wife to be getting very few hours, all while trying to get state certification and start a new business. So many nifty Kickstarters, too much drop in income.
As promised, here are more of my very basic Excel layouts.
Layouts 16-18 use more than 16 x2 (+4) tiles, and 17 and 18 highlight the "Race track" problem with having so many x-sections and t-junctions and also what happens when you have no corners.
As we pare down the options for "Ruined Temple" you can see the tiled flat surfaces emerging, more options for the foundation tiles, and a lot more character. At this stage the concept art still looks busier than the final designs will be, but only so that it's easy for the designer to pick out the elements we're going to use. This is still all about options, and not yet finalized.
For instance the desecrated graves would be about 3" wide (76mm) and 6" long (150mm) if you went by the sketch alone. The reality is that they'll wind up much smaller, of course.
But today is Wednesday -- and every Wednesday I take my son out for an adventure, so there probably won't be another update for a bit. We're off to the warehouse for a brief visit (I need to cut a complex mold for the crew), then around to the train museum I suspect. Or the Lego store. I look forward to returning to another COMMENT EXPLOSION!
Hmm... I really like those ruined urban tiles... but now the obsessive compulsive in me comes out, and I start wondering if the change from ruined to clean will look at all natural.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Hmm... I really like those ruined urban tiles... but now the obsessive compulsive in me comes out, and I start wondering if the change from ruined to clean will look at all natural.
I can go 2 sets of clean and you can go 2 sets of ruined if that helps.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Hmm... I really like those ruined urban tiles... but now the obsessive compulsive in me comes out, and I start wondering if the change from ruined to clean will look at all natural.
I can go 2 sets of clean and you can go 2 sets of ruined if that helps.
I think he means from one tile to the next. Like if making a damaged section of the otherwise "clean" board, will the contrast between a "clean" tile and an adjacent ruined tile look too abrupt.
Kroothawk wrote: According to the kickstarter calculator, you can't add 8-tile sets to your pledge, nor wall sets other than scrapyard. Is this correct?
You cannot add 8-Tilesets, All Tilesets are 16 Tiles.
All of the Wall Sets are the same price during the Kickstarter.
Does this end Sunday night or Sunday early morning? (Eastern Standard Time?) For some reason I can't seem to find that (always have trouble, is the only way to know looking at Kicktraq, or...?).
If Sunday night that'd make it more like 4 days left... if Sunday morning, closer to 3.
70 Hours.... As we enter the home stretch I've seen a lot of chatter in the general comments about how close we are to the first "Ruined Temple" goal -- and it's so close we can all taste it. AND IT IS DELICIOUS!!!
How close though?
If everyone right now backed for a Display Board (or another one) we'd unlock the full "Ruined Temple" theme and have room to spare. That's pretty close!
We're working furiously on new renders and concepts for you -- and hope to have new pieces to show off shortly.
This is the big push and the final hours are always madness. Harass your friends. Harass your enemies. Bore your non-gamer friends with stories about how helping small businesses helps fight terrorism! Okay, maybe not that last bit.
But please help get the word out and we'll be ramping up on this end....
70 Hours.... If everyone right now backed for a Display Board (or another one) we'd unlock the full "Ruined Temple" theme and have room to spare. That's pretty close!
If everyone who has already pledged "only" added an extra $60 to their pledge?
I seem to be confusing myself more and more as I read over the calculator, hopefully someone can help me out!
Did I miss a section for scatter terrain on the calculator?
It seems criminal not to throw in a wall set to go with rolling fields. Does the "Scrapyard Full Wall Set" work regardless of the theme you're intending to select?
I'm at work, if anyone can do me a favour and not cite pages or paragraphs, just tell me. If I add-on from the SWM catalog, will I get it in a separate package and, say, earlier than the tablescapes?
Mathieu Raymond wrote: I'm at work, if anyone can do me a favour and not cite pages or paragraphs, just tell me. If I add-on from the SWM catalog, will I get it in a separate package and, say, earlier than the tablescapes?
Not confirmed from what I have read. I imagine they will be combined for us Aussies though, which seems fair enough, the shipping on this might give people heart attacks! For Canada I imagine that he would be able to do that.
It's hard to confirm this, as he doesn't want people talking about these 'other' add-ons on the KS site
Because I snatched a bag of flagstone 40mm for my not-Tau not-crisis that Paulson gave me a heap of help with... and I'd like to base my not-fire warriors with the same. And I'm tired of waiting on my FLGS to order asian themed bases too.
We might get a few fields tiles renders, but i wouldn't count on it. It takes forever to render one of them.
But as long as you are at an actual pledge level you will have pledge manager access, and will be able to add boards later.
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I woke up this morning to find us just a few new backers away from unlocking the "Ruined Temple" Display Board -- and to find shiny new concept art for it waiting for me!
The two clean, dressed stone floors are raised foundation tiles -- and the perfect place to put some of our Broken Doric Columns!
We also have unbroken versions, of course, and there will be more scatter terrain coming for this theme -- and the wall/fortification set!
We're at 52 hours and things are starting to get crazy! Yesterday was our most funded day since the first week -- and it's part of a great trend.
I have to take my son on a field-trip this morning, and I know when I get back there will be another COMMENT EXPLOSION! and lots of new backers -- so here's to an incredibly busy afternoon, and another great day for the Tablescapes Tiles and our incredible backers!
I REALLY like the two raised foundation tiles, but I wish the other two were the more creative ones. Like the "half moon" one shown, or the one with a well in the middle. I think for a display board you might want that kind of thing. Then you've got 2 flat tiles to put your army on, and 2 to show off your display with
I put this comment on the KS page, too, hoping some more people agree with me on it!
This is just like how the rolling fields display board has the 90 degree creek bend on one of the tiles in the front... having the "half moon" tile or something similar would give the ruined temple display board a similar effect.
Secret Weapon wrote:@ RiTides -- we're actually still debating the quarter amphitheater tile for the "Ruined Temple" Display Board. The concern is that it is more limiting for army display... but it will LOOK great.
What a fast response! A few posters already chimed in in the comments that they'd like this, if you would too (or even if you wouldn't) please post up your thoughts .
I really hope the Quarter Amphitheater makes it in as one of the display board tiles!
I wouldn't mind if the amphitheater existed in ruined temples, I'm currently debating about picking up a display board of ruined temples to go with my rolling fields (since I think they would make a nice combo together.
Cy, anyone, will I be able to add fundage later? idk if I can swing the 54/60 dollars for it atm
I don't think they're allowed to confirm that right now. But I am SURE they will work with you... they just can't say it until the campaign is over, unfortunately, due to KS enforcing their rules this time (the problem isn't the rules... just the fact that they're rarely enforced, but are being in this case, about store add-ons).
Re: street layouts, could someone tell me why they decided on no 90-degree turn tiles? I think you're doing really great with what you've got, but a 90 or two would certainly make it easier!
I believe it is because of the limitations in working with two 8-unique tile sets to make a 16 tileset. (Since the Mixed set is the actual 16 Unique Tiles, and it was just split because of demand).
IIRC Justin mentioned that a 90 Degree Turn would be done as an expansion after the Kickstarter.
Necros wrote: Last 2 days... I'm betting the funding will blow by the temples and might even get close to the trench display board.
I'm not so sure. I bet it will reach the temple, but it will be interesting to see if it has the same last day spike a lot of other Kickstarters have. I think that spike is often driven by the crazy amount of "free add ons" and this one doesn't have that. I think you'll see a spike once the temple is reached because I'm sure there are people who aren't interested in the scrap yard, city or fields boards, but would love to have the temple boards. I personally am only interested in the trench board so unless that is reached I'm not going in.
Necros wrote: Last 2 days... I'm betting the funding will blow by the temples and might even get close to the trench display board.
I'm not so sure. I bet it will reach the temple, but it will be interesting to see if it has the same last day spike a lot of other Kickstarters have. I think that spike is often driven by the crazy amount of "free add ons" and this one doesn't have that. I think you'll see a spike once the temple is reached because I'm sure there are people who aren't interested in the scrap yard, city or fields boards, but would love to have the temple boards. I personally am only interested in the trench board so unless that is reached I'm not going in.
It's going to be a very interesting finish actually. I think you will have the last minute pledgers as usual but I am also predicting many dropping out if they don't think they will reach their desired tile set in time. I am thinking there will be lots of ups and downs for sure!
This is the one thing that concerns me but I think Rolling Fields is safe now Ruined Temple could go either way and I'm sure there's money in for Trench sets that won't get funded so some of that will drop out if the backer in question doesn't want one of the other sets.
Well, the only set not likely to get funded (imo) is the trenches. It's a shame, but people knew that one was a long shot! I'm just in for a display board for Ruined Temple so I'm feeling pretty darn good
RiTides wrote: Well, the only set not likely to get funded (imo) is the trenches. It's a shame, but people knew that one was a long shot! I'm just in for a display board for Ruined Temple so I'm feeling pretty darn good
Yep, if there had been an amazing trench board early on, that would have cemented my pledge, but the one I'd be most likely to pick up is the fields one, which I decided was simple enough that I could make something decent on my own if I really wanted a table.
RiTides wrote: Well, the only set not likely to get funded (imo) is the trenches. It's a shame, but people knew that one was a long shot! I'm just in for a display board for Ruined Temple so I'm feeling pretty darn good
There is also the Desert Board, but I think the Fields could be easily desertified with the right paint and flock (same for Arctic or Mars, etc)
I think at this point I'm going to be getting a 4x4 table and display board. If we unlock the full Ruined Temple, it'll be that for the main board and then the rolling fields as the display board... if not, it'll be the opposite.
Our original plan for the "Ruined Temple" Display Board had been to include the 1/4 round amphitheater -- but I figured this would make the board too busy, and really limit the usable space. But since so many folks asked to see it with the amphitheater I had the artist do another mock-up for you.
Of course no discussion of the tiles would be complete without being able to see both board options - so here you go!
Wouldn't you put the ampitheatre corner piece in one of the actual corners if you wanted it to succeed?
Facing inward, I mean. - rotate the one shown 90 degrees left. Add a flyer behind it to utilise the dead space behind the wall, and use the steps to display characters or jump infantry.
At this point with only ~43 hours left it doesn't seem likely it'll reach it but, I'm gonna get really bummed out if we get within 10 or 15 grand of the trench board.
Cyporiean wrote: Its not the most pleasing way of putting that tile, but its not like its locked into that position.. its just art to easily show the piece.
I understand that. I'm suggesting that unfortunately, a significant number of people may not be able to visualise it as I'd suggested, which in turn can hurt the "voting" on that option.
There will be a pledge manager to allow you to add additional items to your pledge after the campaign closes, Justin will unlock it after each theme is finalized so folks can make any changes/additions to their pledge after seeing the final renders. You MUST select a reward to have access to the pledge manager.
DaveC wrote: Just passed $240k Ruined Temple display board is in.
General consensus is this is the best layout for the display board.
Sweet, I was logged off but this is definitely the best of the options shown for the display board thus far! As Azazel says, just need to rotate that amphitheater 90 degrees (mine will likely be in the "back" corner when displaying the board).
Snrub wrote: Now now lads. Let us not forget the old proverb "Good things come to those who wait".
Right now, I'm living a less traditional adage of "If they get to the trench display set, can I resist just getting a buttload of those in place of one of my mini-wargamer sets?"
Ah i've already thought about that shade. I'm in for the mini-warger as well and for a comprable amount of tiles you're looking at $350 rather then $190.
Snrub wrote: Ah i've already thought about that shade. I'm in for the mini-warger as well and for a comprable amount of tiles you're looking at $350 rather then $190.
I hadn't priced it out, since I doubt the KS getting to the trenches at all.
Still, the reply that comes to mind from your statement cannot be uttered without hitting a filter or getting me in trouble with the powers that be.
Mr Jusin is there any chance at all in the future of getting a trench board, whether it be by another KS or just by you releasing tiles over time, or is this our only chance to get some trench tiles?
Snrub wrote: Mr Jusin is there any chance at all in the future of getting a trench board, whether it be by another KS or just by you releasing tiles over time, or is this our only chance to get some trench tiles?
He has plans for at least another 6 themes beyond Trenches and Desert, they'll just have to rely on post-kickstarter sales to fund them... so it will be some time.
Do you sit at the computer with your finger on f5 Cyporiean? That response was less then 2 minutes after my post.
Is there anything preventing him from running another KS 12 months down the track with a different selection of boards? Because i certainly wouldn't be against backing another one if it meant i could get a full trench board or maybe even a nice plastic lava board. (wink wink, nudge nudge)
Is there anything preventing him from running another KS 12 months down the track with a different selection of boards? Because i certainly wouldn't be against backing another one if it meant i could get a full trench board or maybe even a nice plastic lava board. (wink wink, nudge nudge)
Snrub wrote: Ah i've already thought about that shade. I'm in for the mini-warger as well and for a comprable amount of tiles you're looking at $350 rather then $190.
Is there anything preventing him from running another KS 12 months down the track with a different selection of boards? Because i certainly wouldn't be against backing another one if it meant i could get a full trench board or maybe even a nice plastic lava board. (wink wink, nudge nudge)
He mentioned that was a possibility.
I'd hope 100% fulfilment was the priority over campaign #2. That way lies madness.
Snrub wrote: Ah i've already thought about that shade. I'm in for the mini-warger as well and for a comprable amount of tiles you're looking at $350 rather then $190.
um... what?
I assume he means a comparable amount of Games Workshop tiles.
This has been rather interesting to watch, but I'm not pledging for two reasons: they didn't get to the trench board, which is both the one I personally want and one of the better uses of a modular board and its ability to allow subtractive terrain; and Raging Heroes is still dragging their feet with some vital information, so I don't even know yet whether I'd have an army to put on it.
Is there anything preventing him from running another KS 12 months down the track with a different selection of boards? Because i certainly wouldn't be against backing another one if it meant i could get a full trench board or maybe even a nice plastic lava board. (wink wink, nudge nudge)
He mentioned that was a possibility.
That's better then nothing at least.
AlexHolker wrote:I assume he means a comparable amount of Games Workshop tiles.
Azazelx wrote:
Snrub wrote: Ah i've already thought about that shade. I'm in for the mini-warger as well and for a comprable amount of tiles you'r4the looking at $350 rather then $190.
um... what?
Ah me and my badly phrased posts. My year 12 English teacher would slap me if saw how bad my phrasing is. I meant if you wanted 24 trench tiles (the same amount as in a mini-wargamer pledge) you would have to buy 6 trench display boards. This would come out at $350 as opposed to the $190 spent if purchasing a mini-wargaming bundle.
I'd hope 100% fulfilment was the priority over campaign #2. That way lies madness.
I actually can't afford it right now, so I'm in two minds about whether to go in for a display board and possibly jack it up to a full set of ruined/clean streets later via PM, or just leaving it be until retail. The allure of paying for something now for a slight discount on something I'll get a year (or more) later isn't as strong now that I'm paying for a mortgage as well as all the other crap I still want to buy. - particularly since similarly as with yourself, the Trench board was the one I was/am really interested in.
Snrub wrote: Ah i've already thought about that shade. I'm in for the mini-warger as well and for a comprable amount of tiles you're looking at $350 rather then $190.
um... what?
I assume he means a comparable amount of Games Workshop tiles.
I'm pretty sure he means buying multiple display boards of the trenches (if that gets unlocked) vs. buying the same # of tiles in a larger, cheaper pledge (i.e. if the FULL trench board had been unlocked).
** Doh, and then ninja'd when I was farting around with quote tags.
There will be both a KR and Battle foam option available after the KS ends they can't be added now as they don't have final prices and any funds raised by their inclusion wouldn't actually help fund the tiles so it would only give the total a false boost.
You'll get a survey/pledge manager after the KS you pick then they are hoping to have at least 2 tiles from each theme render by then to help your choice you will also be able to add funds at this stage but remember to access the pledge manager you must have picked a pledge level with a reward you can't access it if you pick no reward.
246K upon my waking up... I think it's going to be a close call to get to 280K!
@ Azazel- this campaign falls into the category of "I want to see it happen, so I'm willing to pay now". That category is getting smaller and smaller for me but this one fits the bill. I'm only in for a display board as ostensibly I did not have the funds for this, but I can chip in $50-$60.
New Art - New Renders - New Stretch-Goal - OH MY!
Update #50 · May 11, 2013 · comment
So many updates, so little time....
Everyone is scrambling to get new renders and new artwork ready for the final campaign push -- and although I suspect he'll kill me when he sees that I shared this screen grab, I can't stop myself from sharing a WIP shot of the "Rolling Fields" creeks sent to me last nigh.
This is the initial rough shaping for 2/3 of the creek tiles (there will be 2 straight options now) so that I could give some input on the berm slopes. A lot of work has been done since this was shared with me, and you'll see more in the next update....
Updated "Ruined Temple" Artwork
We still haven't finalized everything, but now you can see the stone design we selected shared across all of the sketches. The four foundation tiles will each receive different treatment, and there will be more dirt on several of the other tiles, but this is what we're working with. For a taste of what we're using for inspiration, check out this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Cities
"Trench Works" Display Board
As promised, now that I have the artwork for the "Trench Works" Display Board it is now an active stretch-goal. GO! GO! GO!
Into the final hours...
As I type this the timer says "26 hours" which means this is the final push to unlock the last of the full themes. We're so close to "Ruined Temple" now that the excitement is almost overwhelming! The concept artist is working on scatter terrain and wall sketches for you -- and I'll have those in the next update too.
I realize that I keep saying this, but since it's still true... thank you all for your incredible support, enthusiasm, and feedback. This has been an AMAZING ride and I'm glad to have such an incredible community to work with.
Temple terrain is now looking really nice indeed. The tiles being spread across the whole board is just what I wanted. Trench display board is rather good as well!
My review was better /totesjealous (I can't see their review cause the youtubes are work blocked )
i think for what it was the review was decent. Theres only so much you can do when your doing a review with 1 tile
My review was a minute long, and only had 1 tile I haven't watched it, I was just goofing around. I'm sure the Spikybits review is far more in depth than, "hey here is how this sounds when I roll dice on it."
My review was better /totesjealous (I can't see their review cause the youtubes are work blocked )
i think for what it was the review was decent. Theres only so much you can do when your doing a review with 1 tile
My review was a minute long, and only had 1 tile I haven't watched it, I was just goofing around. I'm sure the Spikybits review is far more in depth than, "hey here is how this sounds when I roll dice on it."
actually how dice sound it it was really all i cared about
How thin (and sturdy) will the straight river tiles be in the end? Consider that it'll be a very thin bit of plastic running right up the centre of the tile. Wouldn't that weaken it considerably, allowing it to bend at that point?
Don't quite have the cash for both that and the deadzone board I'm already in for at the moment, but I'll be buying the hell out of that on retail release.
River was one of the things I wanted, and that is a very nicely done river indeed.
Should look totally awesome once painted and filled with clear resin.
Hopefully it turns out popular enough for a hill expansion in future.
Before I wander away from the computer for a little while, and pretend that I'm going to sleep during the final 15 hours of the campaign, I thought I'd leave you with a quick taste of the "Ruined Temple" scatter terrain, and the wall/fortification concepts.
This was our first rough look at the scatter terrain. A broken crypt/altar, and a column with a bit of statue. While we still like both ideas they've gotten their first conceptual upgrade....
This is still early for the concept stage -- for instance those stairs will probably be 3" or 6" wide so they work with the foundation tiles in a nice way -- but you can see the first of the wall/fortification set. Note the small interior stones just visible from the top and sides, with the large dressed stone on the front. Of course you can use the "Rolling Fields" walls if you prefer the rough stone look, but now you'll have options. AND WE LOVE OPTIONS!
Like the other themes the full set of walls will include 2x straight walls, 1x T junction, 1x 90* bend, 1x 45* bend, 2x endcap, and 1x gate (3+ pieces). You can see video of the "Scrap Yard" and "Urban Streets" walls on the main page of the campaign.
We're in the final stretch now -- and funding today has only been beaten by the first two days! We're so close to unlocking the complete "Ruined Temple" set that it has already been assigned to the production calendar. We just need to make this last push!
I'll be back in the morning for the COMMENT EXPLOSION! and to count down the minutes until we can officially say that the Tablescapes Tiles campaign has been a roaring success!
As we hit the final stretch of this campaign now is an excellent time to get your pledge amount finalized.
Our handy Pledge Calculator is still live and includes all of the official Kickstarter campaign add-on items. You'll need to click through, and save a copy, before you'll be able to edit it to reflect your list of goodies.
Of course we're still waiting on a few items, like the Display Board border frame as an add-on, and while those aren't listed here now you WILL have access to them in the pledge manager after the campaign. Sooner if we get pricing before the campaign closes....
And now here's to unlocking the complete "Ruined Temple" set and another great theme for the Tablescapes Tiles!
There are 5 unlocked themes. Each takes roughly 6 months to produce give or take. So people who want the rolling fields and lost temple are gonna be waiting upwards of 2 years. Correct?
There are 5 unlocked themes. Each takes roughly 6 months to produce give or take. So people who want the rolling fields and lost temple are gonna be waiting upwards of 2 years. Correct?
No, it takes about 6 months, but more then one is worked on at a time.
From the FAQ
Is October the anticipated delivery for the ALL of the unlocked themes?
No. We anticipate a six month production window from concept to delivery on each new theme, but much of this work will happen concurrently. For instance with the "Scrap Yard" renders nearly finished we can start on "Urban Streets" while the Kickstarter is still running. Ideally it should take no more than one year to deliver on all 4 major themes, and both minor themes, if they all get unlocked. The biggest challenge is that it can take as long as 100 hours to mill ONE of the 12x12" molds because of how detailed we've made the tiles.
Major Themes: Scrapyard, Urban Streets, Ruined Temples, Trenches Minor Themes: Rolling Hills, Desert
Wow, looks like some tool paid a dollar so he could make nothing but negative comments on the KS. Is this normal or would there be some other reason? Did Secret Weapon beat him to the punch?
I had to retract my pledge as Dreadzone is sucking me dry atm. Glad to see it is going so well though and I will definitely be picking up the temple board when it hits the market.
A corner tile should be the VERY top thing on their "to add" list. I know they have said they will be, but it would just open up the possibilities so much more. So it should be (imo) the very first thing in the queue to be done after the main tiles...
Not that I'm after road tiles but if I WERE, I'd certainly feel that way! I'm just happy I won't have to stress down to the wire about the ruined temple
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We've done it! The "Ruined Temple" theme is unlocked and fully funded -- giving us two sci-fi themes, and two fantasy themes, as we work our way through the final hours of the campaign.
And we're not finished! The "Trench Works" Display Board is the next to unlock -- giving you four raised tiles of WW1 inspired trench goodness!
What an incredible run we've had today - I can't wait to see what happens next!
I hope we get there! I have an EB Skirmisher; pledged early to show support, and what I am most interested in was Temple, Trenches, and Desert. So I need to have a think over the next two hours and keep watch as to whether we'll get Trenches now or not. At worst I can always wait and buy at retail.
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jdelrio22 wrote: I wish I had the money to place an order, think they'll sell again after the kickstarter?
Yes; the point of the Kickstarter is to cover costs so that these can be added to the Secret Weapon regular retail stock.
Embrace your inner geek wrote: I've pledged for a 6x4, but couldn't fine where to specify which theme I wanted, does that happen after the campaign ends?
EYIG
Yes, there will be a pledge manager to handle that later.
80 minutes to go, 13K needed to get to the trench display board! It's going to be close! Secret Weapon previously posted that they might make up the difference if we get "close" to a goal, so I think the trench display board will make it in. Should be an exciting final hour
Looks like we'll end shy of the trench display board, barring a last minute surge. Too many folks taking their Moms out for lunch on Mother's Day in the US, I guess
Breotan wrote: What's the eta on the streets tiles? Or did they not give one?
Scrapyard is likely going to be October, with a 2 month gap between sets.. So likely December for the streets, Feb for the Fields, and April for the Temple.
Oh man, I freaking love the title of that last KS update.
Totally made my day.
Sceptic-turned-fanboi right here, overall.
Wasn't convinced on price, was convinced by the sheer attention to detail and craftsmanship that went into this, as well as the extreme efforts to keep all the backers as happy as possible with everything... it reminded me a lot of the dreamforge kickstarter in terms of being artist-driven by someone who just plain gives the impression that they *really* know what they're doing at every point.
Yep. This is what swung it for me. Plus it wasn't just a over blown pre-order system. It was actually to get a product properly manufactured and released by someone that is taking great care over everything.
Zwan1One wrote: Yep. This is what swung it for me. Plus it wasn't just a over blown pre-order system. It was actually to get a product properly manufactured and released by someone that is taking great care over everything.
Yep. It reminds me, in some ways, of the DFG Kickstarter, and I have confident expectation of similar quality. In fact, I look forward to fighting over city street tiles with my Eisenkern.
Yes. Me too. Although I worry that 4' X 4' might be too small to field a Crusader on. At those ranges, the clash would probably be over as soon as someone drew on bead on it with an AT gun.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Yes. Me too. Although I worry that 4' X 4' might be too small to field a Crusader on. At those ranges, the clash would probably be over as soon as someone drew on bead on it with an AT gun.
Much as it sucked to pare down my pledge a couple of times due to current expenses, I still managed a mini-wargamer from this. I reckon I'll still be working on painting up Eisenkern by the time I get them, so I'll just add the streets to the "Eisenkern" slot in my paint queue.
I am excited for the ruined temple tiles. Looks perfect for dungeon crawling. Now I can have large 12x12 chambers connected by my dwarven forge cooridors.
May be nice to have a full circle of the ampetheater for a arena.
I only got a little bit now, but when these hit retail, I will probably look into specific tiles.
If it had pulled down the trenches I'd be dumping quite a bit more into this. So maybe it's a good thing. As it is I dropped down to a display board that I'll probably grab either the rolling fields or temple for. Glad this was so successful.
Estimated shipping dates and each theme will ship separately so if you choose ruined temple and urban streets for example you will get Urban Streets first then Ruined Temple separately later you won't have to wait for both the be finished,
Creator Secret Weapon 10 minutes ago
Current shipping targets are:
October - Scrap Yard
December - Urban Streets
February - Rolling Fields
April - Ruined Temple
There's room for improvement here too as "Rolling Fields" only has 8 unique tiles, and all of the designs are finished for "Scrap Yard." We're going to be working as quickly as we can, of course....
Probably be a new KS for Trenches and Lost Desert plus more themes after Ruined Temple ships.
Hulksmash wrote: If it had pulled down the trenches I'd be dumping quite a bit more into this. So maybe it's a good thing. As it is I dropped down to a display board that I'll probably grab either the rolling fields or temple for. Glad this was so successful.
yeah my pledge prolly would have doubled at least if trenches would have been in
I can't wait for December. This is gonna make a sick as birthday present. It's gonna be a tough 7 month wait but i imagine it will be well worth it. As an aside, i went to bed when this was at 291k with around 3.5 hours left on the clock. I wake up to find it has raised another 20k in less then 4 hours. A fair effort by the last minute fence sitters i think.
Mathieu Raymond wrote:It was also a KS that had much more realistic expectations. Justin was up-front about his costs and he didn't make promises he couldn't keep.
This is what sold me not on the KS but on MrJustin himself. He came off as a really fair dinkum kinda bloke. None of this promising you everything under the sun malarki. He told us what he could do and how much he needed to do it with no flimflamming.
Not only that but he partnered with various stores across the world early on to reduce the burden of shipping costs on everyone. That was great forward thinking.
For reals, congrats Justin, I'm going to be painting up the scrapyard tile I got, and probably order me some bases, I've got the beginnings of an Astral Claw force forming
When do I get mah Brushfire rules? Need something to tide me over until Rolling Fields ships.
Is the lead time for production really that long? I thought Scrapyard was already waiting to have molds cut and begin production right away.
At any rate, I'm proud to have been involved in this, and cannot wait to get my table up and running so that the wife and I can begin a nice Blighted Isle campaign on a nice presentable table.
Is the lead time for production really that long? I thought Scrapyard was already waiting to have molds cut and begin production right away.
IIRC, Scrapyard is almost ready to goto the molding process, just a few tweaks/fixes need to be done since the prototype tile.
The dates could also be Scotty'd... "Tell them three times as long as you think it will take, so that when you finish it in half the time they think your a miracle worker!"
October - Scrap Yard
December - Urban Streets
February - Rolling Fields
April - Ruined Temple
There's room for improvement here too as "Rolling Fields" only has 8 unique tiles, and all of the designs are finished for "Scrap Yard." We're going to be working as quickly as we can, of course....
So, I should get my Urban Streets around the same time my Sedition Wars and Kings of War wave two become available?
You know oddly enough i have absolutely no problem with this.
I know I Scotty'd our shipdate for EFT, but its looking like its going to end up being pretty close anyway. :/
I sent Justin the info to pass onto backers for redeeming Brushfire, so the lot of you will get some rules soon. They'll likely be updated again on Monday or Tuesday as well (as its powered by WGV you'll get free updates forever)
I went in for a display board in the end, which was all I could afford at the time. I'll be upgrading it to city streets (maybe both types at 6x4ea) when the PM comes out.
Surveys always come some time after the kickstarter ended, when the folks have all things sorted out (and are sober again .
For example, Kensei is not yet able to react to emails or PMs 5 days after the indiegogo campaign ended.
Azazelx wrote: I sometimes wonder what the French-Canadian (Quebecois?) national identity is like. All I know, I learned from watching the WWF/WWE through the years.
I have no idea what you're talking about. I never watched WWF or E. But if you're willing to give it a try, I'd be gald to put you up for a week! And yes, the accepted modern term is Quebecois.
so a lot of folks may be pleased by that.
but welcome anyway 
At least as an add-on, or something?
