Redemption wrote:
Wasn't really a rumour, so much as just some guy thinking a blurry pic of someone's converted model hiding in the background could be something new.

 c0j1r0 wrote:
There was a photoshoot of this nids army on Warhammer World's fb page the other day. Faeit was speculating that this might be proof of Nidvember.

Puscifer wrote:

 c0j1r0 wrote:
There was a photoshoot of this nids army on Warhammer World's fb page the other day. Faeit was speculating that this might be proof of Nidvember.

That was it.

When that army was put back in the cabinet, someone put a single Warrior in with each Gaunt swarm.

When someone pointed that out, they quickly changed the display. Like immediately the guy dropped everything and rearranged it.

Take from that what you will.

 c0j1r0 wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

 c0j1r0 wrote:
There was a photoshoot of this nids army on Warhammer World's fb page the other day. Faeit was speculating that this might be proof of Nidvember.

That was it.

When that army was put back in the cabinet, someone put a single Warrior in with each Gaunt swarm.

When someone pointed that out, they quickly changed the display. Like immediately the guy dropped everything and rearranged it.

Take from that what you will.

 c0j1r0 wrote:
lol, my bad dude. You should put that in you signature of something to warn others.

 brassangel wrote:

 c0j1r0 wrote:
lol, my bad dude. You should put that in you signature of something to warn others.

I thought it was pretty funny, but then my kids watch all those Penguins of Madagascar shows.

Good call out on the army with a Warrior leading each squad, by the way. May not be for something in November though, if these January rumors hold true.

Maybe we will all be wrong, and GW goes completely against the grain and releases them in December.

pretre wrote:You'll probably see supplements but no other 40k releases this year. That's my guess. I'll probably be eating my words if Nidvember happens though.

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:everybody was very sceptical of the newbie rumourer who said GW was going to sell a whole Ultramarines Chapter bundle

bu11etmagn3tt wrote:So there is a lot of Tyranid ramping up, and if it is ramping up now (Oct/Nov), why would it not come out in Nidvember?
Besides Nidvember sounds better than NIduary.

 RiTides wrote:
Warriors leading squads of gaunts would be awesome, but that'd be a shaky rumor path if there ever was one (a guy saw a display and then they rearranged it! etc )

Still, it'd be sweet

Kroothawk wrote:

pretre wrote:You'll probably see supplements but no other 40k releases this year. That's my guess. I'll probably be eating my words if Nidvember happens though.

I keep this post bookmarked

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:everybody was very sceptical of the newbie rumourer who said GW was going to sell a whole Ultramarines Chapter bundle

Not everybody, I believed the release list including this bundle from the start.

bu11etmagn3tt wrote:So there is a lot of Tyranid ramping up, and if it is ramping up now (Oct/Nov), why would it not come out in Nidvember?
Besides Nidvember sounds better than NIduary.

Well, then the Farsight book should have been released in Sept'ember

That said, my guess:
Either Tyranids or second part Dark Elves in November, and tyranids next 40k release January latest. Tending towards Nids in November.

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
It's official! Just heard it from a reliable, secret, source!

Tyranids will be released when the new models come out!

There it is! Rest easy and cheers!

via an Anonymous Source
Dark Elves
First Month
Advanced order/white dwarf from Sat 28th Sept. (so the studio can talk about them at UK GD)
On shelves Sat 5th Oct.
-most of the plastics already mentioned-

Second month
Advanced order/White dwarf from Sat 26th Oct.
On shelves Sat 2nd Nov.
-even more plastic crack Inc. Shadowblade plastic clampack by far the best model of range IMHO

Release Schedule
September - 1st Dark Elves Advanced Orders/ On the Shelf October 5th
October - 2nd Dark ElvesAdvanced Orders/ On the Shelf November 2nd
November - Desolation of Smaug and dark elf army box pre-orders/ Released December 7th
December: Tyranids Pre-Orders/ Released January 4th

 Bloodhorror wrote:
You know what i'd like?

Primes. Not just Warrior Primes. But Shrike Primes, Termagant Primes. Gargoyle Prime.

A Sergant we'd pay points for to let us either gain Brood Telepathy or a Reroll on our IB test. I think that'd be interesting.

 Bloodhorror wrote:
Yeah... That's a good point :(

I'd also like to see Gargoyles take Scything Talons.

I remember a while back converting a brood of 20 to have a pair each...

They looked Awesome...

 pretre wrote:
Yet more Natfka changes to schedule

via an Anonymous Source
Dark Elves
First Month
Advanced order/white dwarf from Sat 28th Sept. (so the studio can talk about them at UK GD)
On shelves Sat 5th Oct.
-most of the plastics already mentioned-

Second month
Advanced order/White dwarf from Sat 26th Oct.
On shelves Sat 2nd Nov.
-even more plastic crack Inc. Shadowblade plastic clampack by far the best model of range IMHO

Release Schedule
September - 1st Dark Elves Advanced Orders/ On the Shelf October 5th
October - 2nd Dark ElvesAdvanced Orders/ On the Shelf November 2nd
November - Desolation of Smaug and dark elf army box pre-orders/ Released December 7th
December: Tyranids Pre-Orders/ Released January 4th

 pretre wrote:
Yet more Natfka changes to schedule

via an Anonymous Source
Dark Elves
First Month
Advanced order/white dwarf from Sat 28th Sept. (so the studio can talk about them at UK GD)
On shelves Sat 5th Oct.
-most of the plastics already mentioned-

Second month
Advanced order/White dwarf from Sat 26th Oct.
On shelves Sat 2nd Nov.
-even more plastic crack Inc. Shadowblade plastic clampack by far the best model of range IMHO

Release Schedule
September - 1st Dark Elves Advanced Orders/ On the Shelf October 5th
October - 2nd Dark ElvesAdvanced Orders/ On the Shelf November 2nd
November - Desolation of Smaug and dark elf army box pre-orders/ Released December 7th
December: Tyranids Pre-Orders/ Released January 4th

 Rotary wrote:
I've been working on a swarmlord and guard for sometime, i really hope the new codex doesnt gimp him like stated. The army wide hit if he dies would make him less useful to me.

 brassangel wrote:
It makes sense that his death would impact all other creatures on the battlefield connected via Synapse.

 Janthkin wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
It makes sense that his death would impact all other creatures on the battlefield connected via Synapse.

Not really. He's just biomass, like everything else - expendable & recyclable. So long as there is still synapse coverage, the Hive Mind really shouldn't care.

 Souleater wrote:
Could the mods update the title of this thread, please?

 Souleater wrote:
Could the mods update the title of this thread, please?

 Kroothawk wrote:
On second thought:
Why are there leaked pics and complete release lists of the complete Dark Elf release, when half of it is in November? Most leaks are from WD pics, and WD October wouldn't reveal November releases.
So I count on Tyranids in November.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
Could the mods update the title of this thread, please?

Actually the first post is constantly updated, just not with off topic release schedule posts that sound too dubious.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Tau got a lot of boxes, but not nearly as many new molds. XV-8, Skyray/Hammerhead, Battleforce were all re-boxings, and the Commander and Farsight were finecast.

Dark Elves are rumored to be 7 new plastic boxes, in addition to any reboxes. Given the supply issues with Tau and Eldar, and the fact that combined Marines and Dark Elves would have 12 new molds between them, I can see that eating up 3 months worth of production time.

As for pics of all the new units, if they have the kit designed and photographed, they are OK, just show off the pictures and say "these 4 kits this month, these others coming next month!

DufenDorgen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Tau got a lot of boxes, but not nearly as many new molds. XV-8, Skyray/Hammerhead, Battleforce were all re-boxings, and the Commander and Farsight were finecast.

Dark Elves are rumored to be 7 new plastic boxes, in addition to any reboxes. Given the supply issues with Tau and Eldar, and the fact that combined Marines and Dark Elves would have 12 new molds between them, I can see that eating up 3 months worth of production time.

As for pics of all the new units, if they have the kit designed and photographed, they are OK, just show off the pictures and say "these 4 kits this month, these others coming next month!

The commander and far-sight were both new models. As far as new models they got:
Commander,
Farsight,
Riptide,
Flyer,
Broadside,
Pathfinders,
Darkstrider,
Longstrike,
Fireblade,
Farsight enclave shoulder pads.

And others into finecast, all of that was at release too.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Tau got a lot of boxes, but not nearly as many new molds. XV-8, Skyray/Hammerhead, Battleforce were all re-boxings, and the Commander and Farsight were finecast.

Dark Elves are rumored to be 7 new plastic boxes, in addition to any reboxes. Given the supply issues with Tau and Eldar, and the fact that combined Marines and Dark Elves would have 12 new molds between them, I can see that eating up 3 months worth of production time.

As for pics of all the new units, if they have the kit designed and photographed, they are OK, just show off the pictures and say "these 4 kits this month, these others coming next month!

The commander and far-sight were both new models. As far as new models they got:
Commander,
Farsight,
Riptide,
Flyer,
Broadside,
Pathfinders,
Darkstrider,
Longstrike,
Fireblade,
Farsight enclave shoulder pads.

And others into finecast, all of that was at release too.

Yes, but the point is not about the number of unique sculpts, but the number of unique molds for plastic kits, which are far larger investments and do have a monthly "sprue budget" of how many they can produce.
Tau had the:
riptide- 2 tank sprues
Flier- 2 tank Sprues
Broadside- IIRC single 2 frame infantry sprue
Pathfinders- IIRC single 3 frame infantry sprue.
6 unique sprues total.

Cadre Fireblade was a mini-sprue character, which barring Marines seem to have 1-2 per release.

Commander, Farsight, Darkstrider, Longstrike, and the Farsight pads are all finecast, which are separate from the plastic production.

Space Marines had:
Centurions- Looks like a single 3 frame infantry sprue
Hunter/Stalker- 1 tank sprue plus existing Rhino parts
Tac Squad- 3 frame infantry sprue
Sternguard Squad- 2 frame Infantry Sprue
Vanguard Squad- 2 frame Infantry sprue.

5 unique sprues

3 plastic mini-sprue characters

No finecast.


Going by the rumors, and precedent for fantasy kits,
Monster and Chariot will be 2 large sprues each.
Infantry will be 2-3 frame single sprue kits.

Rough guess puts that at 9+ unique sprues for the release, plus any mini-sprues and any finecast which are separate.




How did we get on this debate in the Nid thread again?

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Ummmm, they forget about Orks ???!!!! WTF LOL

Frustrating that they are re doing newer codexs first.

I dont want to wait till mid 2014 for a new ork book. =(

 brassangel wrote:

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Ummmm, they forget about Orks ???!!!! WTF LOL

Frustrating that they are re doing newer codexs first.

I dont want to wait till mid 2014 for a new ork book. =(

Do you really think they "forgot" about them? Like, GW sat in a room and started working on codices and went, "Oh crap! We forgot about the Orks? Oh well...let's just do them later."

They have FO entries without models, and some kits which are absurdly old. I imagine they will get a slightly bigger release if all of that is to be filled, plus new models. If current rumors hold true, you may be waiting until May, I suppose. Hardly that long considering how fast time seems to go when following a GW release calendar anymore.

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Ummmm, they forget about Orks ???!!!! WTF LOL

Frustrating that they are re doing newer codexs first.

I dont want to wait till mid 2014 for a new ork book. =(

Do you really think they "forgot" about them? Like, GW sat in a room and started working on codices and went, "Oh crap! We forgot about the Orks? Oh well...let's just do them later."

They have FO entries without models, and some kits which are absurdly old. I imagine they will get a slightly bigger release if all of that is to be filled, plus new models. If current rumors hold true, you may be waiting until May, I suppose. Hardly that long considering how fast time seems to go when following a GW release calendar anymore.

And thats my point. Newer armies with newer models getting new stuff first.

Puscifer wrote:
One thing I've heard on the grapevine this evening (add salt if necessary) is that the mutable genus stuff is making a comeback.

This was in 3rd ed and from it, you could make obscene Nid units from a select few mutable unit types like Tyrants, Carnifex, Warriors and Gaunts.

The rules are to be expanded for every unit choice and from there you can make an army with a great deal of customisation.

You want a Carnifex to have a 2+ sv... totally possible.
You want a unit of warriors to each have a Venom Cannon... yup, you can now.

Each Tyranid modelling option will once again have a rule attached to it and the points to add these options are in the unit entries and not in some shady corner of the codex.

Like Tusks for Carnifex and a biomorph that boosts a models ranged abilities.

I'm not sure if my source is being as credible as usual as he knows I'm collecting this army and it sounds waaaay too good to be true.

So take this as you will.

 brassangel wrote:
I think Dark Elves will be October. The Inquisition thing will drop in November as the "holiday buy" and to give the Dark Elves some breathing room. The Hobbit will come in December alongside it's respective movie.

I expect Tyranids in January, but hope we are pleasantly surprised with something before.

Puscifer wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
I think Dark Elves will be October. The Inquisition thing will drop in November as the "holiday buy" and to give the Dark Elves some breathing room. The Hobbit will come in December alongside it's respective movie.

I expect Tyranids in January, but hope we are pleasantly surprised with something before.

I'm getting to that point... but there are so many conflicting rumors.

Only thing I can say though is GW have NEVER released two games in consecutive months. If I recall, there may also be something stated in the contract with New Line on the Hobbit too.

It just wouldn't make sense to release two games in 30ish days. It becomes difficult to support and doesn't give a single game to focus on and become the centre of attention.

Oooooo... Hobbit is out again... Nah, little Jimmy is still playing 40k skirmish cuz its 40k.

GW will be wanting to avoid this like the plague as the Hobbit contract is worth a fethton of money.

Puscifer wrote:


There is no random. No "cinematics", which for someone who works in the film industry, believes that GW has no clue how to be cinematic. By definition or execution.

timd wrote:

Puscifer wrote:


There is no random. No "cinematics", which for someone who works in the film industry, believes that GW has no clue how to be cinematic. By definition or execution.

Would love to hear you expand on this subject, perhaps in its own thread...

T

 brassangel wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
I think Dark Elves will be October. The Inquisition thing will drop in November as the "holiday buy" and to give the Dark Elves some breathing room. The Hobbit will come in December alongside it's respective movie.

I expect Tyranids in January, but hope we are pleasantly surprised with something before.

I'm getting to that point... but there are so many conflicting rumors.

Only thing I can say though is GW have NEVER released two games in consecutive months. If I recall, there may also be something stated in the contract with New Line on the Hobbit too.

It just wouldn't make sense to release two games in 30ish days. It becomes difficult to support and doesn't give a single game to focus on and become the centre of attention.

Oooooo... Hobbit is out again... Nah, little Jimmy is still playing 40k skirmish cuz its 40k.

GW will be wanting to avoid this like the plague as the Hobbit contract is worth a fethton of money.

Interesting point. Then again, GW has done a lot of things they normally never do:

-release a codex every other month; army books on the months in between
-write most of the books for an edition at the same time, with each author overseeing every project for (relative) balance within the edition
-ensure every entry of the FO has a model

Puscifer wrote:

timd wrote:

Puscifer wrote:


There is no random. No "cinematics", which for someone who works in the film industry, believes that GW has no clue how to be cinematic. By definition or execution.

Would love to hear you expand on this subject, perhaps in its own thread...

T

I could rant on for pages on this subject.

ATM, I'm overwhelmed with moving house, writing my current script and keeping to deadline on a graphic novel.

It is something I have been asked to do before and I am very interested in writing an article and getting other opinions.

Maybe something I'll have a crack at when I'm less busy.


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 brassangel wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
I think Dark Elves will be October. The Inquisition thing will drop in November as the "holiday buy" and to give the Dark Elves some breathing room. The Hobbit will come in December alongside it's respective movie.

I expect Tyranids in January, but hope we are pleasantly surprised with something before.

I'm getting to that point... but there are so many conflicting rumors.

Only thing I can say though is GW have NEVER released two games in consecutive months. If I recall, there may also be something stated in the contract with New Line on the Hobbit too.

It just wouldn't make sense to release two games in 30ish days. It becomes difficult to support and doesn't give a single game to focus on and become the centre of attention.

Oooooo... Hobbit is out again... Nah, little Jimmy is still playing 40k skirmish cuz its 40k.

GW will be wanting to avoid this like the plague as the Hobbit contract is worth a fethton of money.

Interesting point. Then again, GW has done a lot of things they normally never do:

-release a codex every other month; army books on the months in between
-write most of the books for an edition at the same time, with each author overseeing every project for (relative) balance within the edition
-ensure every entry of the FO has a model

The codex release schedule has been both brilliant and insane. From a marketing and sales standpoint, it's a brilliant strategy by GW.

The dead opposite can be said about releasing two games in a thirty day period. It could be very bad for business, as already hardly anyone plays The Hobbit. Releasing the skirmish game this close to the release of it will just mean GW will lose even more money on it and that is something they can ill-afford to do with anything, but especially with the LOTR license.

But as with everything, we shall have to wait and see.


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Anywho... Back on topic...

Does anyone else think that the new Nids are going to be drastically powered up from 4th and 5th ed?

I still have a gut feeling that the book could go all OP and throw a huge curve ball to the way the top armies play.

Any news on who is writing the Dex?

SBG wrote:
I don't care if the codex is strong, weak or average. All I want is a fully customizable army, like the 3-4th ed codexes, perhaps with a flavour of the 5th Space Wolves codex customization options. That would keep me happy.

Puscifer wrote:

timd wrote:

Puscifer wrote:


There is no random. No "cinematics", which for someone who works in the film industry, believes that GW has no clue how to be cinematic. By definition or execution.

Would love to hear you expand on this subject, perhaps in its own thread...

T

I could rant on for pages on this subject.

ATM, I'm overwhelmed with moving house, writing my current script and keeping to deadline on a graphic novel.

It is something I have been asked to do before and I am very interested in writing an article and getting other opinions.

Maybe something I'll have a crack at when I'm less busy.


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 brassangel wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
I think Dark Elves will be October. The Inquisition thing will drop in November as the "holiday buy" and to give the Dark Elves some breathing room. The Hobbit will come in December alongside it's respective movie.

I expect Tyranids in January, but hope we are pleasantly surprised with something before.

I'm getting to that point... but there are so many conflicting rumors.

Only thing I can say though is GW have NEVER released two games in consecutive months. If I recall, there may also be something stated in the contract with New Line on the Hobbit too.

It just wouldn't make sense to release two games in 30ish days. It becomes difficult to support and doesn't give a single game to focus on and become the centre of attention.

Oooooo... Hobbit is out again... Nah, little Jimmy is still playing 40k skirmish cuz its 40k.

GW will be wanting to avoid this like the plague as the Hobbit contract is worth a fethton of money.

Interesting point. Then again, GW has done a lot of things they normally never do:

-release a codex every other month; army books on the months in between
-write most of the books for an edition at the same time, with each author overseeing every project for (relative) balance within the edition
-ensure every entry of the FO has a model

The codex release schedule has been both brilliant and insane. From a marketing and sales standpoint, it's a brilliant strategy by GW.

The dead opposite can be said about releasing two games in a thirty day period. It could be very bad for business, as already hardly anyone plays The Hobbit. Releasing the skirmish game this close to the release of it will just mean GW will lose even more money on it and that is something they can ill-afford to do with anything, but especially with the LOTR license.

But as with everything, we shall have to wait and see.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Anywho... Back on topic...

Does anyone else think that the new Nids are going to be drastically powered up from 4th and 5th ed?

I still have a gut feeling that the book could go all OP and throw a huge curve ball to the way the top armies play.

Any news on who is writing the Dex?

Puscifer wrote:

timd wrote:

Puscifer wrote:


There is no random. No "cinematics", which for someone who works in the film industry, believes that GW has no clue how to be cinematic. By definition or execution.

Would love to hear you expand on this subject, perhaps in its own thread...

T

I could rant on for pages on this subject.

ATM, I'm overwhelmed with moving house, writing my current script and keeping to deadline on a graphic novel.

It is something I have been asked to do before and I am very interested in writing an article and getting other opinions.

Maybe something I'll have a crack at when I'm less busy.


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 brassangel wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
I think Dark Elves will be October. The Inquisition thing will drop in November as the "holiday buy" and to give the Dark Elves some breathing room. The Hobbit will come in December alongside it's respective movie.

I expect Tyranids in January, but hope we are pleasantly surprised with something before.

I'm getting to that point... but there are so many conflicting rumors.

Only thing I can say though is GW have NEVER released two games in consecutive months. If I recall, there may also be something stated in the contract with New Line on the Hobbit too.

It just wouldn't make sense to release two games in 30ish days. It becomes difficult to support and doesn't give a single game to focus on and become the centre of attention.

Oooooo... Hobbit is out again... Nah, little Jimmy is still playing 40k skirmish cuz its 40k.

GW will be wanting to avoid this like the plague as the Hobbit contract is worth a fethton of money.

Interesting point. Then again, GW has done a lot of things they normally never do:

-release a codex every other month; army books on the months in between
-write most of the books for an edition at the same time, with each author overseeing every project for (relative) balance within the edition
-ensure every entry of the FO has a model

The codex release schedule has been both brilliant and insane. From a marketing and sales standpoint, it's a brilliant strategy by GW.

The dead opposite can be said about releasing two games in a thirty day period. It could be very bad for business, as already hardly anyone plays The Hobbit. Releasing the skirmish game this close to the release of it will just mean GW will lose even more money on it and that is something they can ill-afford to do with anything, but especially with the LOTR license.

But as with everything, we shall have to wait and see.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Anywho... Back on topic...

Does anyone else think that the new Nids are going to be drastically powered up from 4th and 5th ed?

I still have a gut feeling that the book could go all OP and throw a huge curve ball to the way the top armies play.

Any news on who is writing the Dex?

SBG wrote:I don't care if the codex is strong, weak or average. All I want is a fully customizable army, like the 3-4th ed codexes, perhaps with a flavour of the 5th Space Wolves codex customization options. That would keep me happy.

 brassangel wrote:
ON TOPIC: I'm interested to know if Kroothawk still thinks Tyranids are coming in November. Not to heckle him, but because I was really hopeful for a November release.

 Tyran wrote:
As long as we can win vs Tau, Taudar, Wave Serpent Spam and similar things then I will be happy.

 lost_soul wrote:
Dont know if this has been mentioned cause I dont wanna go through all 33 pages to see, but so far right before the release of a new codex we see a new book about that race from Black Library. So, Im guessing we will see a book soon that is in some way or form about nids.

 lost_soul wrote:
So, Im guessing we will see a book soon that is in some way or form about nids.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 lost_soul wrote:
So, Im guessing we will see a book soon that is in some way or form about nids.

I was able to get an early extract from this novel:

Spoiler:

Herbert the Termagant
Chapter One
Nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom ....
Here the official teaser video:

Kroothawk wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
ON TOPIC: I'm interested to know if Kroothawk still thinks Tyranids are coming in November. Not to heckle him, but because I was really hopeful for a November release.

We will see in WD or on Friday, if all Dark Elves are released in one month. Leaked list suggests strongly: No. Then 2nd wave (with pics in armybook) plus Inquisition box in November makes sense.
So at the moment January seems more likely to me.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
As long as we can win vs Tau, Taudar, Wave Serpent Spam and similar things then I will be happy.

We can... It's a tough game but possible with the right powers.

True - we shouldn't have to rely on getting 2-3 Iron Arms just to compete, but it is possible.

 brassangel wrote:
The new book will thankfully move us away from depending on BRB psychic power rolls to have a chance in games.

 Vhalyar wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
The new book will thankfully move us away from depending on BRB psychic power rolls to have a chance in games.

Or maybe it won't. It's a bit early to start saying such things

 Tyran wrote:
As long as we can win vs Tau, Taudar, Wave Serpent Spam and similar things then I will be happy.

The Division Of Joy wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
As long as we can win vs Tau, Taudar, Wave Serpent Spam and similar things then I will be happy.

So as long as we can beat the most powerful codexes

I just want a genestealer cult

DufenDorgen wrote:
So were agreed that the red terror is obviously back in? I mean they made a fine cast model. And any thought on how much genestealers might drop in points? My friends seem to think they're great for 14pts but they're full of gak.

 brassangel wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
As long as we can win vs Tau, Taudar, Wave Serpent Spam and similar things then I will be happy.

So as long as we can beat the most powerful codexes

I just want a genestealer cult

Everything since Necrons is among "the most powerful codexes." So if Tyranids are competitive against them with a variety of builds, then yes.

Genestealer Cult? No. Thank. You. There's not even going to be a way to fit that in the codex, really, and a supplement isn't going to be so divergent as to include a dozen new units.

 Carnage43 wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:
So were agreed that the red terror is obviously back in? I mean they made a fine cast model. And any thought on how much genestealers might drop in points? My friends seem to think they're great for 14pts but they're full of gak.

Compare a genestealer for 14 points against a demonette at what, 9 points? That's about the closest comparison I can come up with. Stealers are better, but not 55% better that's for sure. I'd estimate that if genestealers don't get any rules changes, they will be 10-12 points, with upgrades on top of that to drive them back up to the 14-16 range.

 brassangel wrote:
First of all, 3rd ed wasn't really a good codex. It was a mess. You didn't have styles of play, just a bunch of random bugs with poorly modeled biomorphs. "Look, I put stupid huge claws on my Warriors so he looks awful on the table top!" The Hive Node thing was a bad idea also; I don't want Sergeants like Space Marines have. I want Tyranids to rely on the whole swarm as a part of their cohesion.

4th edition certainly wasn't pliable. You played 5-6 Carnifexes and the rest didn't matter.

I want a variety of styles; I want strong, but not broken. In other words, I want a typical 6th edition codex, compensating for the lack of Allies in some way.

It won't go all OP. All of the 6th edition books play nice together. People seem worried it's either going to really really suck, or be really really broken, but there's been no indication of that recently. And that's just it: what happened in previous editions doesn't count. It's not a valid argument for what to expect.

 Carnage43 wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:
So were agreed that the red terror is obviously back in? I mean they made a fine cast model. And any thought on how much genestealers might drop in points? My friends seem to think they're great for 14pts but they're full of gak.

Compare a genestealer for 14 points against a demonette at what, 9 points? That's about the closest comparison I can come up with. Stealers are better, but not 55% better that's for sure. I'd estimate that if genestealers don't get any rules changes, they will be 10-12 points, with upgrades on top of that to drive them back up to the 14-16 range.

DufenDorgen wrote:

 Carnage43 wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:
So were agreed that the red terror is obviously back in? I mean they made a fine cast model. And any thought on how much genestealers might drop in points? My friends seem to think they're great for 14pts but they're full of gak.

Compare a genestealer for 14 points against a demonette at what, 9 points? That's about the closest comparison I can come up with. Stealers are better, but not 55% better that's for sure. I'd estimate that if genestealers don't get any rules changes, they will be 10-12 points, with upgrades on top of that to drive them back up to the 14-16 range.

That other guys is right, 5 invuln means a whole lot. I would rather genestealers be a point cheaper and take away their painted on armor. 5+ armor saves are just about worthless considering everything ignores it. Losing 14 points to "Anything" hurts far more than losing 5 points to "Anything".

DufenDorgen wrote:

 Carnage43 wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:
So were agreed that the red terror is obviously back in? I mean they made a fine cast model. And any thought on how much genestealers might drop in points? My friends seem to think they're great for 14pts but they're full of gak.

Compare a genestealer for 14 points against a demonette at what, 9 points? That's about the closest comparison I can come up with. Stealers are better, but not 55% better that's for sure. I'd estimate that if genestealers don't get any rules changes, they will be 10-12 points, with upgrades on top of that to drive them back up to the 14-16 range.

That other guys is right, 5 invuln means a whole lot. I would rather genestealers be a point cheaper and take away their painted on armor. 5+ armor saves are just about worthless considering everything ignores it. Losing 14 points to "Anything" hurts far more than losing 5 points to "Anything".

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Genestealer cults do not need their own army. They don't need to be represented in 40k in any meaningful way, simply due to the fact that there isn't much to them. You've got some genestealers, some civilian-y guys, and some hybrids, who may as well be civilian-y guys for the purpose of rules. They don't have large enough variety of units or vehicles or characters that could actually make up a codex.

 brassangel wrote:
They are supposed to get shot the pieces. The armor save is there so they at least get a shot to save in CC (which is also close to useless because they often shred whatever they are in CC with).

 brassangel wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:

 Carnage43 wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:
So were agreed that the red terror is obviously back in? I mean they made a fine cast model. And any thought on how much genestealers might drop in points? My friends seem to think they're great for 14pts but they're full of gak.

Compare a genestealer for 14 points against a demonette at what, 9 points? That's about the closest comparison I can come up with. Stealers are better, but not 55% better that's for sure. I'd estimate that if genestealers don't get any rules changes, they will be 10-12 points, with upgrades on top of that to drive them back up to the 14-16 range.

That other guys is right, 5 invuln means a whole lot. I would rather genestealers be a point cheaper and take away their painted on armor. 5+ armor saves are just about worthless considering everything ignores it. Losing 14 points to "Anything" hurts far more than losing 5 points to "Anything".

They are supposed to get shot the pieces. The armor save is there so they at least get a shot to save in CC (which is also close to useless because they often shred whatever they are in CC with).

 gorgon wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Genestealer cults do not need their own army. They don't need to be represented in 40k in any meaningful way, simply due to the fact that there isn't much to them. You've got some genestealers, some civilian-y guys, and some hybrids, who may as well be civilian-y guys for the purpose of rules. They don't have large enough variety of units or vehicles or characters that could actually make up a codex.

That has zero bearing on the matter. Genestealer Cults have had full army lists in the past. The IG vehicles alone could fill pages.

I think the issue is almost certainly about needing a real codex as I stated, and that there's just not room for that right now.

Puscifer wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:

 Carnage43 wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:
So were agreed that the red terror is obviously back in? I mean they made a fine cast model. And any thought on how much genestealers might drop in points? My friends seem to think they're great for 14pts but they're full of gak.

Compare a genestealer for 14 points against a demonette at what, 9 points? That's about the closest comparison I can come up with. Stealers are better, but not 55% better that's for sure. I'd estimate that if genestealers don't get any rules changes, they will be 10-12 points, with upgrades on top of that to drive them back up to the 14-16 range.

That other guys is right, 5 invuln means a whole lot. I would rather genestealers be a point cheaper and take away their painted on armor. 5+ armor saves are just about worthless considering everything ignores it. Losing 14 points to "Anything" hurts far more than losing 5 points to "Anything".

They are supposed to get shot the pieces. The armor save is there so they at least get a shot to save in CC (which is also close to useless because they often shred whatever they are in CC with).

Stealers are not Gaunts dude.

Gaunts are the ones that should be getting shot to pieces as cannon fodder, not the "shock troops" of the Tyranid army.

 gorgon wrote:

I don't think the new book will be OP, not because 6th edition codicies are all balanced (they aren't), but because Tyranids' place in the fluff is that of a force of nature, or more properly nature gone out of control. They're the mindless adversary or monster -- but not really a proper villain -- that gets shot up cinematically by the heroes and villains. They aren't like other xenos, as expressed in their lack of allies. Tau and Eldar are xenos, but still main actors in the story, if that makes sense. Tyranids are almost part of the setting.

 brassangel wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:

 Carnage43 wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:
So were agreed that the red terror is obviously back in? I mean they made a fine cast model. And any thought on how much genestealers might drop in points? My friends seem to think they're great for 14pts but they're full of gak.

Compare a genestealer for 14 points against a demonette at what, 9 points? That's about the closest comparison I can come up with. Stealers are better, but not 55% better that's for sure. I'd estimate that if genestealers don't get any rules changes, they will be 10-12 points, with upgrades on top of that to drive them back up to the 14-16 range.

That other guys is right, 5 invuln means a whole lot. I would rather genestealers be a point cheaper and take away their painted on armor. 5+ armor saves are just about worthless considering everything ignores it. Losing 14 points to "Anything" hurts far more than losing 5 points to "Anything".

They are supposed to get shot the pieces. The armor save is there so they at least get a shot to save in CC (which is also close to useless because they often shred whatever they are in CC with).

 Tyran wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

I don't think the new book will be OP, not because 6th edition codicies are all balanced (they aren't), but because Tyranids' place in the fluff is that of a force of nature, or more properly nature gone out of control. They're the mindless adversary or monster -- but not really a proper villain -- that gets shot up cinematically by the heroes and villains. They aren't like other xenos, as expressed in their lack of allies. Tau and Eldar are xenos, but still main actors in the story, if that makes sense. Tyranids are almost part of the setting.

Tell that to the Iron Warriors of Forgefane, the Eldar of Malan'tai, the Titan Legions of Gryphonne 4 and Megyre, the Tempestus Segmentum in general. Great Sky Mother dammit; every guy in fluff that says "They're mindless" practically gets eaten. The Tyranids place in fluff is one of an almost unstoppable force, an army that can't be bested in the same way twice. Yeah the Tyranids aren't actors, they are what kills actors. Yeah most of their stuff is shot to pieces, but why it matters? they are endless. Space Marines have their moment of glory killing hundreds of gaunts, just to die to the thousands that take their place. The Guard gets to prove its courage vs impossible odds, and still gets eaten.

Maybe they Tyranids don't get to be OP, but don't use the excuse of fluff.

 gorgon wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

I don't think the new book will be OP, not because 6th edition codicies are all balanced (they aren't), but because Tyranids' place in the fluff is that of a force of nature, or more properly nature gone out of control. They're the mindless adversary or monster -- but not really a proper villain -- that gets shot up cinematically by the heroes and villains. They aren't like other xenos, as expressed in their lack of allies. Tau and Eldar are xenos, but still main actors in the story, if that makes sense. Tyranids are almost part of the setting.

Tell that to the Iron Warriors of Forgefane, the Eldar of Malan'tai, the Titan Legions of Gryphonne 4 and Megyre, the Tempestus Segmentum in general. Great Sky Mother dammit; every guy in fluff that says "They're mindless" practically gets eaten. The Tyranids place in fluff is one of an almost unstoppable force, an army that can't be bested in the same way twice. Yeah the Tyranids aren't actors, they are what kills actors. Yeah most of their stuff is shot to pieces, but why it matters? they are endless. Space Marines have their moment of glory killing hundreds of gaunts, just to die to the thousands that take their place. The Guard gets to prove its courage vs impossible odds, and still gets eaten.

Maybe they Tyranids don't get to be OP, but don't use the excuse of fluff.

I'll put it more simply...Tyranids are a natural disaster for the protagonists to overcome, and not a proper villain. This makes them unlike any other army, and I think influences the designers' ideas about what a battle against Tyranids should look like (again, lots of dead bugs). Sure, lots of dead defenders also fits into that. But if we're talking about competitiveness, and I think we are if we're discussing power levels, durability is a key factor in most competitive builds across different codicies.

I love my Tyranids man, but it kinda is what it is. The army is designed to get shot up.

 Tyran wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

I don't think the new book will be OP, not because 6th edition codicies are all balanced (they aren't), but because Tyranids' place in the fluff is that of a force of nature, or more properly nature gone out of control. They're the mindless adversary or monster -- but not really a proper villain -- that gets shot up cinematically by the heroes and villains. They aren't like other xenos, as expressed in their lack of allies. Tau and Eldar are xenos, but still main actors in the story, if that makes sense. Tyranids are almost part of the setting.

Tell that to the Iron Warriors of Forgefane, the Eldar of Malan'tai, the Titan Legions of Gryphonne 4 and Megyre, the Tempestus Segmentum in general. Great Sky Mother dammit; every guy in fluff that says "They're mindless" practically gets eaten. The Tyranids place in fluff is one of an almost unstoppable force, an army that can't be bested in the same way twice. Yeah the Tyranids aren't actors, they are what kills actors. Yeah most of their stuff is shot to pieces, but why it matters? they are endless. Space Marines have their moment of glory killing hundreds of gaunts, just to die to the thousands that take their place. The Guard gets to prove its courage vs impossible odds, and still gets eaten.

Maybe they Tyranids don't get to be OP, but don't use the excuse of fluff.

I'll put it more simply...Tyranids are a natural disaster for the protagonists to overcome, and not a proper villain. This makes them unlike any other army, and I think influences the designers' ideas about what a battle against Tyranids should look like (again, lots of dead bugs). Sure, lots of dead defenders also fits into that. But if we're talking about competitiveness, and I think we are if we're discussing power levels, durability is a key factor in most competitive builds across different codicies.

I love my Tyranids man, but it kinda is what it is. The army is designed to get shot up.

Which can be fixed with giving very low cost to our units, and mix it with good ways to deliver them right to the opponent face.

 brassangel wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

I don't think the new book will be OP, not because 6th edition codicies are all balanced (they aren't), but because Tyranids' place in the fluff is that of a force of nature, or more properly nature gone out of control. They're the mindless adversary or monster -- but not really a proper villain -- that gets shot up cinematically by the heroes and villains. They aren't like other xenos, as expressed in their lack of allies. Tau and Eldar are xenos, but still main actors in the story, if that makes sense. Tyranids are almost part of the setting.

Tell that to the Iron Warriors of Forgefane, the Eldar of Malan'tai, the Titan Legions of Gryphonne 4 and Megyre, the Tempestus Segmentum in general. Great Sky Mother dammit; every guy in fluff that says "They're mindless" practically gets eaten. The Tyranids place in fluff is one of an almost unstoppable force, an army that can't be bested in the same way twice. Yeah the Tyranids aren't actors, they are what kills actors. Yeah most of their stuff is shot to pieces, but why it matters? they are endless. Space Marines have their moment of glory killing hundreds of gaunts, just to die to the thousands that take their place. The Guard gets to prove its courage vs impossible odds, and still gets eaten.

Maybe they Tyranids don't get to be OP, but don't use the excuse of fluff.

I'll put it more simply...Tyranids are a natural disaster for the protagonists to overcome, and not a proper villain. This makes them unlike any other army, and I think influences the designers' ideas about what a battle against Tyranids should look like (again, lots of dead bugs). Sure, lots of dead defenders also fits into that. But if we're talking about competitiveness, and I think we are if we're discussing power levels, durability is a key factor in most competitive builds across different codicies.

I love my Tyranids man, but it kinda is what it is. The army is designed to get shot up.

Which can be fixed with giving very low cost to our units, and mix it with good ways to deliver them right to the opponent face.

Well said.

@gorgon: The 6th edition books are balanced against EACH OTHER though. They are all showing well (results-wise) in tournaments, and all seem to have variating and flexible builds. Some act like the rock to another's scissors, sure, but that's okay so long as it can be overcome with a little intelligent generalship, and/or can handle the rest of the field.

Late in 5th edition, you played Space Wolves, or a list designed specifically to combat Space Wolves.
Later still, you played Grey Knights, or a list designed specifically to combat Grey Knights.
Early 6th saw the same with Necrons, as no other book had been properly updated to accommodate the new rules.

That's just not the case anymore. The field is wide open. Tau and Eldar are strong, but can easily get pantsed by Daemons and CSM. Necrons are still powerful, but can be vulnerable to armies with mobility and strong psychic ability. Dark Angels have perhaps the best anti-meta load out in the game with all of their S7 AP2 access. Round and round we go.

The fewer legacy codices that remain, the more balance we've seen come to the format. No table top miniatures game has perfect balance while also offering such a variety of play styles. It'll never happen where every army is absolutely equal in all areas, unless they water it down so far as to make them all the same.

Tyranids will be a pickle to get right, as they need to be flexible with a variety of builds, but without access to allies. They need to equally die in droves and swarm the enemy, but still be able to field a practical army size within the time constraints of a tournament format.

The best move to give them durability is NOT a higher toughness or better armor save. That just doesn't fit the Tyranids. They need to have cheap units, in massive numbers, with the ability to produce more and deliver them effectively. Keep in mind this has to happen without being broken. I'm not quite sure any other 40k army presents the same challenge, as others have sergeant equivalents, transports, and lots of ranged firepower. I supposed Daemons are close, to a degree, but they get invulnerable saves and/or lots of Eternal Warrior. Tyranids need something all their own and not just a copy + paste of that army.

 brassangel wrote:
Well said.

@gorgon: The 6th edition books are balanced against EACH OTHER though. They are all showing well (results-wise) in tournaments, and all seem to have variating and flexible builds. Some act like the rock to another's scissors, sure, but that's okay so long as it can be overcome with a little intelligent generalship, and/or can handle the rest of the field.

Late in 5th edition, you played Space Wolves, or a list designed specifically to combat Space Wolves.
Later still, you played Grey Knights, or a list designed specifically to combat Grey Knights.
Early 6th saw the same with Necrons, as no other book had been properly updated to accommodate the new rules.

That's just not the case anymore. The field is wide open. Tau and Eldar are strong, but can easily get pantsed by Daemons and CSM. Necrons are still powerful, but can be vulnerable to armies with mobility and strong psychic ability. Dark Angels have perhaps the best anti-meta load out in the game with all of their S7 AP2 access. Round and round we go.

The fewer legacy codices that remain, the more balance we've seen come to the format. No table top miniatures game has perfect balance while also offering such a variety of play styles. It'll never happen where every army is absolutely equal in all areas, unless they water it down so far as to make them all the same.

Tyranids will be a pickle to get right, as they need to be flexible with a variety of builds, but without access to allies. They need to equally die in droves and swarm the enemy, but still be able to field a practical army size within the time constraints of a tournament format.

The best move to give them durability is NOT a higher toughness or better armor save. That just doesn't fit the Tyranids. They need to have cheap units, in massive numbers, with the ability to produce more and deliver them effectively. Keep in mind this has to happen without being broken. I'm not quite sure any other 40k army presents the same challenge, as others have sergeant equivalents, transports, and lots of ranged firepower. I supposed Daemons are close, to a degree, but they get invulnerable saves and/or lots of Eternal Warrior. Tyranids need something all their own and not just a copy + paste of that army.

Puscifer wrote:
There is a way to make them op and fluffy.

Like the old meat grinder rules from 3rd.

When a troops choice is destroyed, put the squad on your table edge. This represents them as an unending tide of a Tyranid swarm.

It'll never happen, but that's what I'd do.

 gorgon wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
Well said.

@gorgon: The 6th edition books are balanced against EACH OTHER though. They are all showing well (results-wise) in tournaments, and all seem to have variating and flexible builds. Some act like the rock to another's scissors, sure, but that's okay so long as it can be overcome with a little intelligent generalship, and/or can handle the rest of the field.

Late in 5th edition, you played Space Wolves, or a list designed specifically to combat Space Wolves.
Later still, you played Grey Knights, or a list designed specifically to combat Grey Knights.
Early 6th saw the same with Necrons, as no other book had been properly updated to accommodate the new rules.

That's just not the case anymore. The field is wide open. Tau and Eldar are strong, but can easily get pantsed by Daemons and CSM. Necrons are still powerful, but can be vulnerable to armies with mobility and strong psychic ability. Dark Angels have perhaps the best anti-meta load out in the game with all of their S7 AP2 access. Round and round we go.

The fewer legacy codices that remain, the more balance we've seen come to the format. No table top miniatures game has perfect balance while also offering such a variety of play styles. It'll never happen where every army is absolutely equal in all areas, unless they water it down so far as to make them all the same.

Tyranids will be a pickle to get right, as they need to be flexible with a variety of builds, but without access to allies. They need to equally die in droves and swarm the enemy, but still be able to field a practical army size within the time constraints of a tournament format.

The best move to give them durability is NOT a higher toughness or better armor save. That just doesn't fit the Tyranids. They need to have cheap units, in massive numbers, with the ability to produce more and deliver them effectively. Keep in mind this has to happen without being broken. I'm not quite sure any other 40k army presents the same challenge, as others have sergeant equivalents, transports, and lots of ranged firepower. I supposed Daemons are close, to a degree, but they get invulnerable saves and/or lots of Eternal Warrior. Tyranids need something all their own and not just a copy + paste of that army.

Understand my perspective on balance -- I go back quite a ways, and I'm not suggesting that things have reached 2nd edition-level imbalance. It's a relatively balanced edition so far. But there are also reasons why Eldar and Tau are showing so well right now.


I actually don't think "the answer" is to make Tyranids cheaper. That may happen, but I'm not sure what it'll accomplish. What does it really solve if Termagants are 4 pts instead of 5? Does a 5 pt drop (which is significant) on Warriors make them hot and sexy?

I think the answer is to make them better...faster, harder-hitting, and yes, tougher in some areas. Medium bugs in particular have struggled for about a decade now...and lack of durability is a key reason. I've never felt that Warriors were as DOA as some people make them out to be. But then when I do field them it's usually alongside ample MCs that draw the S8+ firepower. Ultimately, Warriors aren't very good at babysitting gribbles unless they too have babysitters. Problem. As an aside, note again we're talking about a players mitigating the army's issues through MC spam. Synapse giving you trouble? MC spam. Need more guns? MC spam. "Hey, my little bugs are cheaper! Great I have some extra points to spend on MC spam!" They need to break that cycle IMO by providing more answers throughout the army list instead of relegating units to being "just cannon fodder."

Back on point, look at what people are actually fielding with Daemons...it's a blend of durability, lethality and speed. Flesh Hounds, flying MCs, Seekers, Screamerstars, etc. That's why they work in the shooty environment of 6th edition. You have the Grimoire to dole out significant durability boosts to a unit as needed, and also create unkillable units like 2++ Fatewaver and Screamerstars. You have tons of speed to close distances. You have a troops choice like Daemonettes that can lower the boom on just about anything they hit, and cheaply. You have flying MCs that can freelance, smash stuff and cause psychic mayhem. You have the Portaglyph to poop out free deck chair units that don't need a babysitter, and Horrors and Plaguebearers are some of the best objective sitters in the game -- cheap, fairly durable, and effectively fearless vs. shooting. You have across-the-board Deep Striking. Cripes, big clanking Slaaneshi Soul Grinders are faster than Tyranid MCs on foot.

Tyranids have some of these elements, but overall they're less durable, slower, and don't hit as hard. I'm not sure that a visit from the points drop fairy is the best way to solve these issues. Army rules like the rumored run-assault ability would be a start. I think Warriors, Shrikes and Lictors (among others) could use a bonafide overhaul. Trygon tunnels that genuinely work and improved Mawlocs will also help bust up 6th ed gunlines, although we can also expect Ymgarls to lose their ability to charge after arrival. Improving certain ranged weapons would also be an incremental improvement.

I guess a much less long-winded response is to say that I believe the army needs some genuine change in areas and not just points decreases for the status quo. Again, I'm sure that it'll be a solid enough book. But will they get hot and sexy enough to be considered OP? The only 6th ed. codex that got that kind of overhaul was Daemons. The rest were mostly tweaks of their 4th/5th edition books.

 Tyran wrote:
give the first turn drop rule to the Mycetic Spores

rigeld2 wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
give the first turn drop rule to the Mycetic Spores

Please no. I don't want to hear the cries after I drop DoM on turn 1.

 gorgon wrote:
My 5th edition all-reserve Tyranid army did decently well once I got the hang of it. And it was a lot of fun to play. Definitely much different than the usual "you sit over there, I move as fast as I can that way" Tyranid dynamic. Grey Knights' arrival on the scene was the big nail in that coffin.

It'd be nice if Tyranids were the rock to Tau/Eldar gunlines' scissors. But then I'm not sure if they'd give Tyranids a bunch of trump cards so soon after giving Tau all those options to protect their gunlines like ample Interceptor options, Supporting Fire, etc.

 c0j1r0 wrote:
It was rumored really early on that Ward would be writing it, but that was months ago and I think he was rumored to be writing all of them, and so far he hasn't written an true 6th edition codecs.

 c0j1r0 wrote:
I'd heard he'd wanted to write the 5th ed one, but Cruddace got it instead.

 Tyran wrote:

 c0j1r0 wrote:
I'd heard he'd wanted to write the 5th ed one, but Cruddace got it instead.

Cruddace

 ferret61 wrote:
Cruddace did alright with gaurd and WOC

 Tyran wrote:
He is alright with human armies, just keep him a kilometer away from xenos.

 kirsanth wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
He is alright with human armies, just keep him a kilometer away from xenos.

And Tomb Kings.

 Sasori wrote:
Kelly has been hit or miss with 6th so far. CSM was a pretty poor book overall, while Eldar was great. Daemons were in the middle being "ok"

Jeremy Vetock has had a pretty good track record so far, with Tau being on the stronger side.

We haven't seen anything from Ward yet, I hope he does write it though.

No Cruddace though. It's pretty clear he doesn't do well unless it's an army he likes.

Puscifer wrote:
Tiny bit of new stuff I've been told from my source...

Tyrants will be able to choose two from a list of biomorphs that include:

2+ Sv.
Wings.
Thorax Weapon.

There are more things on that list, but I was not told what they are.

My source was coaching me about my army selection and questioned why my Winged Tyrant didn't have a 2+ Sv.
He was quite adamant that I could and I had to quote the list entry for the Tyrant to him.

His reply was: "That's how we've been playing them".

Take from that what you will.

Secondly... new kits.

I don't know whether to take as salt or not:

Warriors have been redone with the kit serving as Warriors and Shrikes. Box of three.

Termagants have been redone to include all weapons. Box of ten.

Genestealers have been redone. You can make Ymgarl Stealers from the box. More than one set of cthulu faces. Box of ten.

I hope this is true. Cannot wait for this release.

davethepak wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
Tiny bit of new stuff I've been told from my source...

Tyrants will be able to choose two from a list of biomorphs that include:

2+ Sv.
Wings.
Thorax Weapon.

There are more things on that list, but I was not told what they are.

My source was coaching me about my army selection and questioned why my Winged Tyrant didn't have a 2+ Sv.
He was quite adamant that I could and I had to quote the list entry for the Tyrant to him.

His reply was: "That's how we've been playing them".

Take from that what you will.

Secondly... new kits.

I don't know whether to take as salt or not:

Warriors have been redone with the kit serving as Warriors and Shrikes. Box of three.

Termagants have been redone to include all weapons. Box of ten.

Genestealers have been redone. You can make Ymgarl Stealers from the box. More than one set of cthulu faces. Box of ten.

I hope this is true. Cannot wait for this release.

Thanks for sharing..but, I hate to say it, but between the nasty ap2 eldar weapons and grav weapons, 2+ save is not what it used to be...

I, as many others, hope the nid dex is strong but balanced, and supports many different builds.

 Tyran wrote:

 ferret61 wrote:
Cruddace did alright with gaurd and WOC

He is alright with human armies, just keep him a kilometer away from xenos.

 streamdragon wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 ferret61 wrote:
Cruddace did alright with gaurd and WOC

He is alright with human armies, just keep him a kilometer away from xenos.

Tell that to Sisters players.

 gorgon wrote:
I think 2+ saves would be huge for the MCs. It'd keep the missile launchers and most of the dakka at bay. Trygons might need it most. It's frustrating how many times I've seen Tyranid MCs lose their last wound or two to lowly bolter or lasgun wounds. But god knows SMs need their W4 characters with EW and 2+/3++.

If the studio is still allergic to the notion of 2+ armor, invulnerable saves and/or eternal warrior, a somewhat out-of-the-box approach to Tyranid durability would be to pile on extra wounds. So Tyrants and Carnifexes go to maybe W6, Trygons to W8. Gives people their "shooting them up" fix (again, it's really great that seeing my units go poof is so much fun for my opponent...whee) but keeps them operating longer. It checks the "cinematic" box ("they're still coming!") and provides a somewhat different and "Tyranid" solution to MC durability.

But again, I'm keeping my expectations low about major overhauls based on how the 6th ed codicies have looked so far.

 pretre wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 ferret61 wrote:
Cruddace did alright with gaurd and WOC

He is alright with human armies, just keep him a kilometer away from xenos.

Tell that to Sisters players.

Some of us like the WD codex.

 streamdragon wrote:
The real question I guess becomes "Do you like it more than what it replaced?"

 streamdragon wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 ferret61 wrote:
Cruddace did alright with gaurd and WOC

He is alright with human armies, just keep him a kilometer away from xenos.

Tell that to Sisters players.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Remember though that Genestealers have +1 WS, T, and I compared to Daemonettes. That said, I have no doubt they'll see a points drop, maybe as low as 10 or 11 points.

Sasori wrote:Kelly has been hit or miss with 6th so far. CSM was a pretty poor book overall, while Eldar was great. Daemons were in the middle being "ok"

Jeremy Vetock has had a pretty good track record so far, with Tau being on the stronger side.

We haven't seen anything from Ward yet, I hope he does write it though.

No Cruddace though. It's pretty clear he doesn't do well unless it's an army he likes.

Puscifer wrote:I can see the Tyrant and Swarmlord getting a 4+ inv or at least a biomorph that lets you have a 4+ inv.

As for synapse, I've heard it's giving EW again or at the very least FnP.

I also agree that Grav Weapons are going to be the bane of the Tyranids MC, but also agree to a point with Brassangel that Nids should get shot up.

I'm hoping that Carnifex gets his 2+ back. That instantly makes him a much better choice.

One other tidbit... I've heard Tyrant Guard getting the same saves as the Tyrant or Swarmlord they are attached to.

So if your Tyrant has a 3+, they get a 3+. But if the Tyrant has a 2+, they get a 2+.

Again, take with salt if necessary. My source was bang on target with Tau and specifically the Riptide, but totally off on the Marines.

I could see the TG getting that though, as that streamlines the squad quite nicely.

Therion wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
I think 2+ saves would be huge for the MCs. It'd keep the missile launchers and most of the dakka at bay. Trygons might need it most. It's frustrating how many times I've seen Tyranid MCs lose their last wound or two to lowly bolter or lasgun wounds. But god knows SMs need their W4 characters with EW and 2+/3++.

If the studio is still allergic to the notion of 2+ armor, invulnerable saves and/or eternal warrior, a somewhat out-of-the-box approach to Tyranid durability would be to pile on extra wounds. So Tyrants and Carnifexes go to maybe W6, Trygons to W8. Gives people their "shooting them up" fix (again, it's really great that seeing my units go poof is so much fun for my opponent...whee) but keeps them operating longer. It checks the "cinematic" box ("they're still coming!") and provides a somewhat different and "Tyranid" solution to MC durability.

But again, I'm keeping my expectations low about major overhauls based on how the 6th ed codicies have looked so far.

Tyranids were really good at the era of 100 (ish) point Dakkafexes and ever since the MCs have been overpriced. Like you said, the game has a lot of T5 and T6 models with lots of wounds, 2+ saves and 3+ or worse invulnerable saves. I can't see any reason why Tyranids shouldn't get the same treatment. I wouldn't be against every single TMC being able to buy a 2+ save and a 5+ invulnerable save, nor would I be against a 'signature item' 3+ invulnerable save for one Hive Tyrant / Prime. There's nothing wrong with tons of available upgrades as long as they cost an appropriate amount of points. Likewise the only time I'd be fine with 4 wound TMCs (with 3+ as and no invulnerable) anymore is if they cost 100 points a pop again.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Remember though that Genestealers have +1 WS, T, and I compared to Daemonettes. That said, I have no doubt they'll see a points drop, maybe as low as 10 or 11 points.

I'd rather see them stay at say 15 points, bump to 4+ armor (with Broodlord at 3+) with built in assault grenades equivalent.

So how do you know which armies he likes? And no circular reasoning by stating, "Well he clearly likes Space Marines and Imperial Guard because they are good codices!" Has he said which armies he likes?

 brassangel wrote:

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Remember though that Genestealers have +1 WS, T, and I compared to Daemonettes. That said, I have no doubt they'll see a points drop, maybe as low as 10 or 11 points.

I'd rather see them stay at say 15 points, bump to 4+ armor (with Broodlord at 3+) with built in assault grenades equivalent.

There's no reason for them to be at 4+ armor, but I could buy it. Assault Grenades equivalent is also an unimaginative idea; I don't want what other armies have. Give me a way for them to get into combat the turn they arrive, or at least assault after running. Most of what they charge isn't going to kill them before they strike back anyway. Furthermore, how are you guys always assaulting into cover? I've had that happen maybe once or twice in 6th edition. I guess I try to avoid assaulting those locations with anything but Gaunts and Monstrous Creatures, and save Genestealers and Hive Tyrants for things I've drawn out into the open. The inability to assault from Infiltrate/Deep Strike/Flanking is a far bigger issue in any game of 40k than assaulting into cover. In fact, I can't even remember the last time I played against someone who just sat a unit I wanted to assault into cover. Play the missions: most objectives are not in cover and those are what you need to focus on. If the opponent plans on getting those objectives, they won't have much luck just hanging out in a crater.

 schadenfreude wrote:
If nids get EW on everything in synapse or a primaris psychic power that gives EW to everything in synapse I don't think the big winners will be MC. I think the big winners will be the 3 wound t4 medium sized nids. Large numbers of warriors and raveners would be very difficult to deal with if they have some kind of access to EW.

 SJM wrote:
So does the Dark Elves out this month affect my Tyranid start date

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

it looks like Tyranuary instead of Nidvenber for sure

 The Shadow wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

it looks like Tyranuary instead of Nidvenber for sure

Tyranuary actually sounds better than Nidvember. I'm happy now.

Davor wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

it looks like Tyranuary instead of Nidvenber for sure

Tyranuary actually sounds better than Nidvember. I'm happy now.

How about JaNIDuary. Tyranury sounds almost too Imperium because alot of Imperium leaders are Tyrants. Also Tyrants for Nids is just the HQ choice and doesn't really represent Nids overall.

 Tyran wrote:

Davor wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

it looks like Tyranuary instead of Nidvenber for sure

Tyranuary actually sounds better than Nidvember. I'm happy now.

How about JaNIDuary. Tyranury sounds almost too Imperium because alot of Imperium leaders are Tyrants. Also Tyrants for Nids is just the HQ choice and doesn't really represent Nids overall.

But the "official" name is Tyranids. Nids is just an abbreviation.

DufenDorgen wrote:
I think it would be cool if the codex was written form the point of view of of like an imp guard captains journal. Like "We've seen this kind today", like a compedeum of known species and biomorphs are specific scenario's when they found out what they are.

Also I want to make my nids as much like Xenomorphs as possible, I'd like to give hormagaunts acid blood. Also, to try and mitigate DE's supreme advantage over Tyranids, I'd make toxin sacs or acid blood also be a defense against poison. Something like acid blood reduces to wound from poison attacks by 1, so 4+ becomes 5+. I mean it should anyways, something about ACID BLOOD seems makes me think it would reduce the effectiveness of such attacks. And if you give it to the hormagaunts, DE are str 3 anyways in cc, albeit they would be fighting exploding sacs of acid.

 Tyran wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:
I think it would be cool if the codex was written form the point of view of of like an imp guard captains journal. Like "We've seen this kind today", like a compedeum of known species and biomorphs are specific scenario's when they found out what they are.

Also I want to make my nids as much like Xenomorphs as possible, I'd like to give hormagaunts acid blood. Also, to try and mitigate DE's supreme advantage over Tyranids, I'd make toxin sacs or acid blood also be a defense against poison. Something like acid blood reduces to wound from poison attacks by 1, so 4+ becomes 5+. I mean it should anyways, something about ACID BLOOD seems makes me think it would reduce the effectiveness of such attacks. And if you give it to the hormagaunts, DE are str 3 anyways in cc, albeit they would be fighting exploding sacs of acid.

While I like the idea of a defense against poison, I completely dislike the Xenomorph=Tyranid. They are vastly different species that just somewhat look similar.

 Tyran wrote:

DufenDorgen wrote:
I think it would be cool if the codex was written form the point of view of of like an imp guard captains journal. Like "We've seen this kind today", like a compedeum of known species and biomorphs are specific scenario's when they found out what they are.

Also I want to make my nids as much like Xenomorphs as possible, I'd like to give hormagaunts acid blood. Also, to try and mitigate DE's supreme advantage over Tyranids, I'd make toxin sacs or acid blood also be a defense against poison. Something like acid blood reduces to wound from poison attacks by 1, so 4+ becomes 5+. I mean it should anyways, something about ACID BLOOD seems makes me think it would reduce the effectiveness of such attacks. And if you give it to the hormagaunts, DE are str 3 anyways in cc, albeit they would be fighting exploding sacs of acid.

While I like the idea of a defense against poison, I completely dislike the Xenomorph=Tyranid. They are vastly different species that just somewhat look similar.

Skullhammer wrote:
Nice idea but deldar splinters effect nervous systems in the fluff but use poison rules in game.

DufenDorgen wrote:
If I ever field old one eye, he'll have to be old no eyes.

I don't think we will see some sort of immunity to poison, however. I mean, the Necrosphinx in WHFB isn't immune to poison and it's a freaking statue (with no circulatory system). Sure, a single unit like the Eldar Avatar is immune to heat weapons, or whatever, but army wide, or even possibly army wide with cheap upgrades is OP. It's either OP, or completely useless, because there's only one army it would even be that useful against, and GW would probably make it an expensive upgrade anyway.

 Kirasu wrote:

I don't think we will see some sort of immunity to poison, however. I mean, the Necrosphinx in WHFB isn't immune to poison and it's a freaking statue (with no circulatory system). Sure, a single unit like the Eldar Avatar is immune to heat weapons, or whatever, but army wide, or even possibly army wide with cheap upgrades is OP. It's either OP, or completely useless, because there's only one army it would even be that useful against, and GW would probably make it an expensive upgrade anyway.

There is a signifcant difference between being immune to a universal special rule which encompasses acid, poisons and other weapons that wound on a fixed value (remember poison is a catch-all rule..) and being immune to a weapon type.

The Avatar isn't immune to heat weapons, it's immune to Melta and Flame weapons. Most melta weapons work in the same manner, thus it makes sense he's immune but not all weapons with the "poison" rule work the same they just have an easy rule to represent them.

My drones are reporting in.

Janid is a fix. Get your broods ready... it is going to be a blast...

 brassangel wrote:
Speaking of rumors...

I have heard murmurings (once again) about some FO reshuffling: Hive Guard to Heavy Support was one.

I guess the problem Tyrandis face with the current FO set up is, they want to be able to shoot at some vehicles, so they take Hive Guard (thus gobbling an Elites choice). But they also want to mess with an opponents' deployment and/or movement phase, so they'd like to take Doom or even Ymgarls. The slot just gets too crowded.

What happens if Hive Guard move to Heavy Support? Now there aren't as many slots to take all the cool super monsters like Trygons, a (hopefully improved) Tyrannofex, some new monster likely to appear, slightly more cost-efficient Carnifexes, etc.

I think the Force Organization is one of the messiest aspects of Tyranids, currently. I'm not sure if moving Hive Guard to Heavy Support really fixes that.

 Vhalyar wrote:
You want a proper rumor? The good Hydra just said over at Warpshadow:

My drones are reporting in.

Janid is a fix. Get your broods ready... it is going to be a blast...

DufenDorgen wrote:

No I know, I think they are far more zerg/dinosaur then Xenomorph.

 tetrisphreak wrote:


Is this another confirmation for January Tyranid codex? the word, "Janid" is throwing me off a bit for some reason here...

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Vhalyar wrote:
You want a proper rumor? The good Hydra just said over at Warpshadow:

My drones are reporting in.

Janid is a fix. Get your broods ready... it is going to be a blast...

Is this another confirmation for January Tyranid codex? the word, "Janid" is throwing me off a bit for some reason here...

 pretre wrote:
Has Hydra ever had a rumor before? (added Brassangel and Hydra's rumors to the tracker)

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Fair enough, though I don't see why it would matter for something that is a public announcement for all stores that carry their products.

 pretre wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Fair enough, though I don't see why it would matter for something that is a public announcement for all stores that carry their products.

Because GW is weird like that and might smack someone down just to do it.

Re: the actual rumor itself? I think it is just because Hormies have been lackluster for an edition or two...

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Well boys and girls, I got us a nice juicy bit of news to mull over, right from GW itself. For those who are unaware of it, GW maintains a wonderful little "Hot List" that is sent out to all the stores that carry its products. What it does, is list all the models and kits and will be big ticket items for the present and near future, and urges all stores to keep that item in stock. Some are the iconic ranges of an army, much like Death Company for the Blood Angels, which are on the list. Anyhow, after a short little chat with my FLGS owner, he reported that GW has taken down the Hormagaunt Brood from the list and has added the Genestealer Brood to it for stores to keep in stock.

Forewarning of the future, perhaps?

I hope this is of use,
Unyielding Hunger

 pretre wrote:
Has Hydra ever had a rumor before? (added Brassangel and Hydra's rumors to the tracker)

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Well boys and girls, I got us a nice juicy bit of news to mull over, right from GW itself. For those who are unaware of it, GW maintains a wonderful little "Hot List" that is sent out to all the stores that carry its products. What it does, is list all the models and kits and will be big ticket items for the present and near future, and urges all stores to keep that item in stock. Some are the iconic ranges of an army, much like Death Company for the Blood Angels, which are on the list. Anyhow, after a short little chat with my FLGS owner, he reported that GW has taken down the Hormagaunt Brood from the list and has added the Genestealer Brood to it for stores to keep in stock.

Hydra wrote:Have to let you down.... no horma or termagants coming up...

 silverstu wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Well boys and girls, I got us a nice juicy bit of news to mull over, right from GW itself. For those who are unaware of it, GW maintains a wonderful little "Hot List" that is sent out to all the stores that carry its products. What it does, is list all the models and kits and will be big ticket items for the present and near future, and urges all stores to keep that item in stock. Some are the iconic ranges of an army, much like Death Company for the Blood Angels, which are on the list. Anyhow, after a short little chat with my FLGS owner, he reported that GW has taken down the Hormagaunt Brood from the list and has added the Genestealer Brood to it for stores to keep in stock.

Sorry- are saying this indicates that hormagaunts might get redone[ie running down of that stock] or that Genestealers are going to get a boost in the next codex [and hormagaunts are going to fall away]?

I love my hormagaunts so hoping they get a boost not a hit with a new codex. A new kit with lithe hormagaunts would be great though, although the accompanying price hike won't be..

silvu wrote:I'm a bit skeptical about whether or not there will be any nids this year, maybe early next year.

Vhalyar wrote:Hydra sez no new horma/terma box.

Hydra wrote:Have to let you down.... no horma or termagants coming up...

Sikamikanic0 wrote:do you thing that the str 9 canifex will get a boost to its model also? in the near future? i mean comon he should be the biggest MC not the smallest!!!

 Vhalyar wrote:
Yup, he's pretty close to Phil and he's the guy behind Hive Fleet Moloch. Hydra doesn't spew random nonsense.

Now that he's talking a bit more, we can only hope that he'll give us interesting new pieces of information soon.

brassangel wrote:Don't add me to the rumor tracker. I just get murmurings now. I used to have a great source, but he/she lost his/her interest in the stuff and went silent on me about 2 years ago.

The last good bit I had revolved around the dual Daemons release. Now it's hit or miss. I don't even trust it.

Redemption wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Has Hydra ever had a rumor before? (added Brassangel and Hydra's rumors to the tracker)

Can't find his 5th edition stuff; that's probably buried somewhere deep in the Warpshadow forums. He was one of the first people to call out that the new 6th edition codex would not come in November, but at the start of the next year though. A nugget of information which he seems to have gotten directly from Phil Kelly:
http://www.warpshadow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17204&p=203623#p203623

Vhalyar wrote:Hydra sez no new horma/terma box.

Hydra wrote:Have to let you down.... no horma or termagants coming up...

 Kroothawk wrote:
I don't think, Marco Schulze ever was a normal GW-employee, although he provided the models for the FW taros campaign book. But he is a Dakka member: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/profile/237.page

 xttz wrote:

 silverstu wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Well boys and girls, I got us a nice juicy bit of news to mull over, right from GW itself. For those who are unaware of it, GW maintains a wonderful little "Hot List" that is sent out to all the stores that carry its products. What it does, is list all the models and kits and will be big ticket items for the present and near future, and urges all stores to keep that item in stock. Some are the iconic ranges of an army, much like Death Company for the Blood Angels, which are on the list. Anyhow, after a short little chat with my FLGS owner, he reported that GW has taken down the Hormagaunt Brood from the list and has added the Genestealer Brood to it for stores to keep in stock.

Sorry- are saying this indicates that hormagaunts might get redone[ie running down of that stock] or that Genestealers are going to get a boost in the next codex [and hormagaunts are going to fall away]?

I love my hormagaunts so hoping they get a boost not a hit with a new codex. A new kit with lithe hormagaunts would be great though, although the accompanying price hike won't be..

It could be the opposite... clearing old Genestealer stock in preparation for a replacement kit.

Redemption wrote:

silvu wrote:I'm a bit skeptical about whether or not there will be any nids this year, maybe early next year.

November was shaky at best, and the rest of the year is already filled with Hobbit and Fantasy releases. Now that it seems relatively certain that Dark Elves are taking up two months, January seems like the best bet. Most reliable sources seem to agree that Tyranids are the next 40k codex to be released though.

Vhalyar wrote:Hydra sez no new horma/terma box.

Hydra wrote:Have to let you down.... no horma or termagants coming up...

Sikamikanic0 wrote:do you thing that the str 9 canifex will get a boost to its model also? in the near future? i mean comon he should be the biggest MC not the smallest!!!

Yeah, anyone hoping/expecting the current plastics to be replaced when all the plastic Tyranid models are still perfectly serviceable in terms of looks is going to be sorely disappointed. The Tyranid range simply has far too many missing models and units consisting of expensive FineCast models to begin replacing existing boxes. And that's before we include the mandatory new units a new codex will bring.



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 Vhalyar wrote:
Yup, he's pretty close to Phil and he's the guy behind Hive Fleet Moloch. Hydra doesn't spew random nonsense.

Now that he's talking a bit more, we can only hope that he'll give us interesting new pieces of information soon.

No, Moloch is Marco Schulze, an (ex-?)GW employee. Hydra has Hive Fleet Hydra I believe.

pretre wrote:

brassangel wrote:Don't add me to the rumor tracker. I just get murmurings now. I used to have a great source, but he/she lost his/her interest in the stuff and went silent on me about 2 years ago.

Sorry man, you post rumors, you get tracked.

The last good bit I had revolved around the dual Daemons release. Now it's hit or miss. I don't even trust it.

I don't have this one. Link?

Redemption wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Has Hydra ever had a rumor before? (added Brassangel and Hydra's rumors to the tracker)

Can't find his 5th edition stuff; that's probably buried somewhere deep in the Warpshadow forums. He was one of the first people to call out that the new 6th edition codex would not come in November, but at the start of the next year though. A nugget of information which he seems to have gotten directly from Phil Kelly:
http://www.warpshadow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17204&p=203623#p203623

Vhalyar wrote:Hydra sez no new horma/terma box.

Hydra wrote:Have to let you down.... no horma or termagants coming up...

Thanks, I added these.

Let's start right in:

Codex obviously

Set of Psychic Cards (whether this is one list or two shorter lists, I'm not certain, but I am certain they will get a deck for their powers)

Models

HQ:
Prime (I think this is the most likely candidate for a plastic mono pose blister as has been rumored...but!, if the rumors of a Shrike kit hold, I would place my money on this, the parasite, shrikes and the warriors all getting rolled together into this new box probably with a new weapon option too...and maybe with sky slashers as extra bits on the sprues like the rippers are currently.)

Parasite of Mortex. see above

Tyrant Guard 90% Certain we will see new Tyrant Guard models in plastic. These were huge bricks of metal before, and the finecast mold still uses lots of resin. Plus, the unit entry as it exists is missing options. What it has going against it is its currently a single model kit, and I cant think of any single model multi part with options plastic with options in recent history.

Note: I'm fairly convinced we will see the Trygon prime get a HQ option, but it wont need a new model of course.

Elite:

Hive Guard: 50/50 shot of Hive guard. While they suffer the same issue as Tyrant Guard, its such a new and heavily purchased sculpt. Only shot of it changing is if it gets combined into a plastic kit with something else as has been rumored. Again, I think it could be a single model kit, but we haven't seen this recently...since the SM Captain box...

Lictor: 50/50 that we see a new Lictor kit in plastic. I think this is a long in the tooth model in the Tyranid line, and the opportunity to do a combo with Deathleaper is just too obvious. I think its even less likely though that we see this with the rumored new shooty Lictor though. I think its a single model build though.

Deathleaper: See above...

Zoanthropes: 75%+ that we see a plastic kit with Zoanthropes and the Doom option combined. I place it only at 25% that this kit also builds Venomthropes. But, I'm also again thinking this makes 1 model.

Doom of Malan'tai: is a no brainer. Just a matter of if its a single character or combined in something.

Venomthrope: I give a low likelyhood of the Venomthrope getting a new kit just yet. The finecast lashwhips are the most god awful things, too easy to snap, and too far out there from the model to protect well from breaking off in normal use. But again, think this model is too new, and just hasn't lived its life yet to be redone. Staying finecast is my prediction.

Pyrovore: I don't see the Pyrovore getting a new model or combined with the Biovore. I think they both stay finecast as is.

Troops:

Warriors. Although the current kit still looks good, there are too many missing options in the kit, and to get Shrikes, a prime, warriors, the missing bits, and a HQ character model all Really Really easily in a 3 model plastic kit...highly likely.

I don't see any chance of new Termigants, Genestealers, Hormigaunts or rippers. I do think we see a accessory kit for Termigants direct only with the 2 missing guns. I would therefore give a low-medium likelihood of a recut Termigant kit.

Fast:

Harpy. This thing has been rumored as done and waiting so long. And its a FMC. I bet this is the BIG show case model for the release. I'm also 99% certain it will have a dual build with another new Tyranid Flying MC.

New Flyer: Whatever the dual build on the Harpy turns out to be.

Shrikes: As I've stated, my money is on a new warrior/shrike/prime/parasite kit.

Heavy:

Zero

Dedicated Transport:

Mycetic Spore: Again obvious dept. And with a kit this big, I cannot imaging they don't take the opportunity to make it a dual build...but what? If it can make this new Big psychic HQ Tick thing, maybe, but those rumors were flash in the pan during a period where there was a lot of Nid rumor trolling going on. Then there were the rumors of the Hive Mind Synapse Spore... Going back in GW history, there were once rumors of another Nid transport that was a burrowing creature...I think it was referred to as Hellebore. The art for the Mycetic Spore could possible be a big maw coming out of the ground... I personally have no idea which of any of these rumored dual build options might be true anymore. I'll stake my claim only so far as the obvious choice that we get the spore. As for the alternative build - we will wait and see.


Overview
So that's 13 new models that seem pretty plausible. And hardly anything NEW. That's a pretty hard pill to swallow - but the Tyranid range is full of a lot of holes that need plugging. If there are not 3 or more never seen before organisms included in the release, wow. And I cannot see them only making anything NEW as a dual build option off something we've seen. What looks easy to see is Harpy dual-kit with a new creature. Then maybe a brand new organism with a dual build to give us 2 new new things. That brings us to 15+ new models? But what kits really would that be:

-Harpy/dual: 2 models

-Warrior/Shrike/Prime/Parasite: 4 models

-Zoan/Doom: 2 models

-Spore: 1model

-H/T Guard: 2 models

-Lictor/Deathleaper: 2 models

-New/New: 2 models

7 kits...not unheard of for a release, probably with 2-3 being clampacks and the rest standard boxed sets.

And, of those 7 kits we could see 3+ new units as alternate build options.

Cya Finecast
And NO new finecast in the main release...maybe a direct only finecast upgrade kit for the gant weapons...but this list eliminates 6 existing finecast kits (Lictor, Deathleaper, Warrior sword/whip set, Hive Guard, Tyrant Guard, Zoanthropes) and removes the need for FWs warrior wing kit.[\quote]