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I wonder if the Succubus has separate arms and head like the Archon. If so, I'd love to have one with the closed Wych helmet, just to be different.

I didn't think I'd be getting any of the DE models, but I have to say, those Razorwings make for some pretty tempting Chooser of the Slain Psyber-Ravens.

for those wondering, when GW released the first wave of release for the DE, (warriors, wychs, bikes, archon), the second wave followed on pre order i think it was not even 2 weeks later. so its possible we might get the venom and assorted others in the next few weeks. otherwise, i probally wont be using the beastmaster or his pets, but its nice to know the models are out there if i want to convert them or otherwise work them into my now 8000 point DE army - that also includes a dark eldar titan. (shameless WIP blog promo here - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/345119.page )

Did this release sort of come out of nowhere, by the way? I wasn't expecting more DE stuff for a while.

Manchu wrote:Did this release sort of come out of nowhere, by the way? I wasn't expecting more DE stuff for a while.

No, it has been confirmed for about 2 months now on different rumours forums. 3rd week of March was the set date since Jan, in December it was said to be at the end of March.
Hope this answers your question.

Yes, thank you. The late March date is what I was referring to.

@Kendoka
To be fair, those don't look like conversions. They look like arm swaps. Not quite the same thing.
If I'm missing something, please correct me.
Eric

Thanks, they were not meant to look converted
Actually the conversion job is very minor - not that hard, but rather delicate.
All faces are replaced, i.e. face swaps (keeping the original hair/ears).

Just to show that only three unique minis could be made to look very different without too much work.

I've seen the wyches. I'm really jonesing pulling put my old guys and revamping the Daughters of Sin, and getting in on that old Wych battle game with the pitfights.

Like those new beasts.

Anyone have the new codex, how does it stack up against others?

Was a little let down when I saw the GW email and didn't see any Venoms. Holding out hope for Venom releases soon as I've put off scratch building some for awhile.

I was a little underwhelmed by all but the razorwings. I'll probably pick some of those up, use helions for my beastmasters, and use other models for the other beasts.

@G6: you may like Ketara's thread -

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/326407.page

Thanks, that gives some perspective.

ph34r wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, they all look awesome, but I'm not even going to think about making beastmaster units until they come out in plastic. Too expensive.

Don't hold your breath. I would not expect plastic beastmasters in any less than 10 years. Hell, maybe never.

Yeah, kinda like how they never released a kit of plastic bloodcrushers since they already had a metal model that was barely two years old.

I think the Succubus looks pretty good, and I'm not seeing the similarity to Hugo Weaving or transvestites

I dunno, I really don't get it myself. Every time I read these bs complaints about the female models not being "sexy" enough, I keep thinking that this is what they wanted (potentially NSFW and boner-inducing material in spoiler tags, no actual nudity but you were warned regardless):



Except with swords and gak.

I mean don't get me wrong, I find her attractive too. But it's not exactly "realistic", and definitely not what I'd expect a race of gladiator women who thrive on the infliction of pain and death to look like. And I know how you guys are all about the realism, I've seen the stormraven threads, so you guys should love the wyches, too.


BTW, if the mods find this inappropriate I apologize, I literally just grabbed the first thing I saw from a Google image search. I didn't feel it was too bad to post but if I was wrong in that judgment I apologize.

Sid, mods are too busy saving it and oggling at it to delete it mate


Some nice sculpts here, but the lack of poses really kills it for me.

Birds - should be atleast 12 variants, with a random 4 supplied in a pack.

hounds - Look great, but i see far too much conversion here to make them sell at that price (its not too bad)

Fiend - Not keen on the sculpt.
Nice idea, great pose, just a shame it looks so cute and fluffy.


So, if i may, ill just drop some random pics here for those that cant find a substitute model




Fiends (£13.80 each)

gorgers from OK's:
Same price, but alot easier to re-pose, and atleast has a variant head.



Khymera:
Might aswell use chaos hounds or dire wolves, either way, they are £15.50 for 10, rather than £87 for 10.




Birds - Check ebay for small farm animals lol, chances are you can pick up 10 half decent eagles or the likes for 10% of the price.

Well, this is an interesting release isnt it?

Kanluwen wrote:And they could be throwing gold bullion into a crowd and people would complain.

That wasn't really a rebuttal Kan. Chibi's point stands.

Kanluwen wrote:Is it a good policy? No. I mentioned that already, pretty sure of that.

But it's GW's policy. It works for them because there are people who will buy the stuff at their prices.

And that’s not really an argument.

This release should have been a single small box – the Beastmaster, the big beastie thing, the two warp beast thingies and 2-3 bases of the lame birds (they’re nice sculpts but there’s nothing that makes me see them as anything other than terrestrial ravens or crows... they’re dull, and not alien enough). Blisters are not ‘easier to handle’ than boxes. Blisters are the thing GW is attempting to eliminate from the range as much as possible, and this sort of thing would have been better handled in a box. A single box takes up a lot less room than 4 different blisters. And if they’re the small style box (Sternguard, Vanguard, Gretching + Runtheard) then that’s really easy to stock in GW stoers.

And aside from that – one fething flock of seagulls per blister? Even with things like Nurglings you get two bases per blister. It’s crazy, amazingly overpriced and as Chibi says shows a lack of confidence in their own releases.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:And they could be throwing gold bullion into a crowd and people would complain.

That wasn't really a rebuttal Kan. Chibi's point stands.

I'm not trying to rebut or defend. Quit trying to put words in my mouth.

Kanluwen wrote:Is it a good policy? No. I mentioned that already, pretty sure of that.

But it's GW's policy. It works for them because there are people who will buy the stuff at their prices.

And that’s not really an argument.

Again: Quit trying to put words into my mouth.

This release should have been a single small box – the Beastmaster, the big beastie thing, the two warp beast thingies and 2-3 bases of the lame birds (they’re nice sculpts but there’s nothing that makes me see them as anything other than terrestrial ravens or crows... they’re dull, and not alien enough).

And then people would still be whining that "I have to buy X boxes to get Y amount of Clawed Fiends! Then I have Z and W Razorwings and Khymerae that I do nothing with!".
Look at the whole missile launchers/Devastator box debacle.

Blisters are not ‘easier to handle’ than boxes.

Says who? Blisters work just fine, especially when their intent will likely be to move them to Direct Only in the fall.

Blisters are the thing GW is attempting to eliminate from the range as much as possible, and this sort of thing would have been better handled in a box.

Partially true. They're trying to eliminate 'overwhelming numbers of blisters'. Characters, however, are acceptable for blister packs.
Guess what most of this release theoretically falls under?

A single box takes up a lot less room than 4 different blisters. And if they’re the small style box (Sternguard, Vanguard, Gretchin + Runtheard) then that’s really easy to stock in GW stores.

Again: you're assuming they'll be a permanent stock item.

What likely will happen: the Succubus and Beastmaster will remain as permanent stock, and the Beasts go to Direct Only. It's not the most elegant solution, or even an intelligent one...but this is GW.

And aside from that – one fething flock of seagulls per blister? Even with things like Nurglings you get two bases per blister. It’s crazy, amazingly overpriced and as Chibi says shows a lack of confidence in their own releases.

How does it show a "lack of confidence in their own releases"? You'd think overcharging like hell for something that people would be taking in large numbers actually shows the opposite problem; i.e. overconfidence.

I'll probably get one of each just for collecting. But if in the future I decide to used beastmasters, I'll use a box of hellions and probably wargs or chaos warhounds in rounded bases. I would definitely use Dark Elf cold ones if they hadn't saddles sculpted on the body.

Hey Manchu: my avatar is also a Rackham mini. It's a Dirz Alchemist clone conversion from the War Staff box. I'm waiting to see what GW puts out for their Wracks, and may use these instead. I have about 40 of the metal beggars. They'd work well since they have exposed spines and plugs and cables, and some even have, well, things growing out of them.

As far as the dogs go, they have plastic versions that can be bought for cheap. It was part of the whole pre-painted plastic WTF***ery Rackham produced. Most stores will be grateful to move 'em off the shelves I would expect. Actually, they have plastic clones as well.

Plastic:

Manchu wrote:Did this release sort of come out of nowhere, by the way? I wasn't expecting more DE stuff for a while.

I posted this rumour from Warseer 30th December:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/336097.page
And Jes confirmed 90% of the units getting a model until June.

Yeah these are nice models but are way to expensive they should have made them plastic.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
The birds are meant to be unintimidating and mundane.
They're freakin' birds man, no matter how you spin it. They're only dangerous because they travel in huge flocks.

It could be argued that more could have been done with them.

Looking at some of these birds a lot can be done with the colors to make that creepy scary looking kind of bird, GW have sort have gone with ahh DARK eldar, ahh comoragh is DARK lets paint them DARK and grey, give em some red rings around the eyes like the bottom bird and try and fit some fleshy parts in on the face then they might look a lil scarier than a flock of seagulls, although I have a friend who's mum is scared to death of ALL birds


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Kroothawk wrote:

Manchu wrote:Did this release sort of come out of nowhere, by the way? I wasn't expecting more DE stuff for a while.

I posted this rumour from Warseer 30th December:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/336097.page
And Jes confirmed 90% of the units getting a model until June.

Maybe there pushing them out a bit quicker for there upcoming GK and TK releases?

Wheres my ruddy scourges, venom, talos and Bombers?!

Not good enough.

Nice tho.

Commander Endova wrote:I didn't think I'd be getting any of the DE models, but I have to say, those Razorwings make for some pretty tempting Chooser of the Slain Psyber-Ravens.

You're not the only one thinking this. I plan on picking some up for my Wolf army.

Damnit.

The teaser e-mail said Unleash the Beasts so me being the jaded Beastmen player that I am, got all excited for beastmen wave 2...

Decent stuff I guess. Not too excited, personally, as I'm not a DE player.

Although, I may use the fiend as unit filler for my gors, and use the khymeara to pull a chariot or something. Or buy two, chop a head off one and make it that two headed beast that the special character Moonclaw rides.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:The Heresy Miniatures Hellhounds would make excellent Khymeras (they also do 'hellbeasts' that are also suitable)

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/monsters_main.htm

The Snow Troll would also make a good alternative Clawed Fiend. I'm sure there are many mini companies making stirges and other flying D&D nasties that would serve as a cheaper alternative to the birds...

I've never seen this site before. Good stuff.

Best product description ever:

THIS IS AN EXPERT KIT. SERIOUSLY. DO NOT BUY THIS MODEL IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT A MULTIPART KIT TOGETHER. IT NEEDS PINNING, FILLING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

Kanluwen wrote:Again: Quit trying to put words into my mouth.

I... wasn't...

Kanluwen wrote:And then people would still be whining that "I have to buy X boxes to get Y amount of Clawed Fiends! Then I have Z and W Razorwings and Khymerae that I do nothing with!".

You're right. In which case I amend what I said - a boxed release, and then Direct Only blisters for people who want more.

Kanluwen wrote:Look at the whole missile launchers/Devastator box debacle.

Pfft! That wasn't a 'debarcle'. That was one guy bitching because the Dev Box doesn't cater to Space Wolf players.

Kanluwen wrote:Says who?

I have nothing to back that up. But then again, you had nothing to back up 'blisters are easier'. See what happens when you make attempted unfounded unsupported unilateral statements of 'fact'? You do it all the time, so I thought you would have recognised such a thing.

Kanluwen wrote:Blisters work just fine, especially when their intent will likely be to move them to Direct Only in the fall.

But there's no reason to if it's a box.

Kanluwen wrote:Partially true. They're trying to eliminate 'overwhelming numbers of blisters'. Characters, however, are acceptable for blister packs.

Except this is a unit, in four separate blisters. That's not efficient.

Kanluwen wrote:Again: you're assuming they'll be a permanent stock item.

Nonsense. Putting them in blisters means they go Direct Only. Putting them in a box would stop them (or should stop them, I'm sure there are exceptions) from being "Direct Only'd" (to turn that phrase into a verb for a moment).

Kanluwen wrote:How does it show a "lack of confidence in their own releases"? You'd think overcharging like hell for something that people would be taking in large numbers actually shows the opposite problem; i.e. overconfidence.

So you do think it's overcharging?


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Ouze wrote:I've never seen this site before. Good stuff.

Best product description ever:

The guys at Heresy are great. Fun models, good service, and, as you've seen, fun descriptions of their models.

Kanluwen wrote:
I'm not trying to rebut or defend. Quit trying to put words in my mouth.

...

Again: Quit trying to put words into my mouth.

That's not what that phrase even means. Putting words into one's mouth means lying about or misrepresenting what's being said. What HBMC is doing is questioning your motives while reproducing your questionable statements verbatim, a completely different animal.

And if you're not trying to rebut other posters or defend GW, what the hell are you doing? You're consistently disagreeing with everyone and taking a pro-GW stance at every turn, consistently claiming their customers are a despicable bunch of slowed ingrates. Maybe you should consider migrating to Warseer, where your insulting and predictable sentiments would, I have no doubt, establish you into a position of awe and envy among the spineless cretins that still inhabit that festering pit of maggots.

That might just be your best post ever Aggy.

There's another set of models that could work for those khymera...

http://privateerpress.com/files/products/legion-of-everblight/warbeasts/raek.png

Although frankly I think those are my favorite sculpts out of the set; I think they're all excellent in their own fashion... and even the slight mistakes on the modeling I can easily overlook...

What on Earth is GW thinking?


I was planning on getting a Beast Master unit.
I was thinking about getting 5 Beast Masters, 10 Khymeras and 6 Razorwing Flocks.

5 (identical) Beast Masters $75
10 Khymeras $140
6 Razorwing Flocks $73,5

$288,5!!!

On the other hand I can get myself;

1 box of Hellions $24,75
1 box of Vampire Counts Dire Wolves $24,75
2 blisters of Vampire Counts Bat Swarms $30
(as an alternative I can buy 3 blisters of Vampire Counts Fell Bats $51,75)

$79,5 ($101,25)

I don't care if they were sculpted in gold, and included a BJ and a salmon sandwich.....I am not paying three times as much.

The most scary thing is that I haven't even left GWs website in order to find cheaper alternatives.