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Holy Gak, it's muscle-bound behemoth ready to beat me into a fine mist!

Oh how cute, someone gave the gorilla a Halloween mask and some beer. Now it's struggling to stand up on two legs.

Making the Beastmaster and his monsters metal makes sense, as there are 2-3 other Fast Attack options in plastic, so nobody will probably want more than 1 Beastmaster with more than one beast option. And Jetbikes and Hellions are a strong alternative, making a plastic Beastmaster not economic enough. Be happy that you don't have to buy the beasts that you don't need/like in a forced bundle.

I agree. The metal option makes sense for this type of model. Still should'a been in a box of Master/Big Gorilla thing/2 Muscle Dog things/3 Flock'a Seagulls.

The Succubus looks really cool, I'll probably use the parts for the rest of my army. Loving the halberd, it'll look awesome on an archon.

Kroothawk wrote:Making the Beastmaster and his monsters metal makes sense, as there are 2-3 other Fast Attack options in plastic, so nobody will probably want more than 1 Beastmaster with more than one beast option. And Jetbikes and Hellions are a strong alternative, making a plastic Beastmaster not economic enough. Be happy that you don't have to buy the beasts that you don't need/like in a forced bundle.

I actually agree with this now that I've thought about it. I only want the razorwing flocks to tie up eldar units in my regular oppositions army. Having to buy a whole box of things I will never use would be a real negative point. I'm still happy that games workshop are fleshing out the new codex and their visions are great! Seeing these new additions makes me curious if they will release models for the archon's court.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I agree. The metal option makes sense for this type of model. Still should'a been in a box of Master/Big Gorilla thing/2 Muscle Dog things/3 Flock'a Seagulls.

That would have created much more nerdrage, esp. from those people wanting the Beastmaster and non-GW Beasts. Everyone not wanting all monsters will save a lot of money without a box.

It'd be nice to think that GW's strategy here is to only produce like 100 of each of the beast minis, so as to drive sales of all the alternate options that they sell from Warhammer Fantasy etc., thus increasing their sales ("Hey, Razorwing flocks at only £4/base rather than £10/base? BARGAIN" -- even if it's not) and making people feel good about sneakily cheating GW *and* being good Hobbyists.

It seems more likely, though, that they are a kind of blundering behemoth-like giant corporate entity, and didn't really analyze the codex to find out its strengths and weaknesses ("Razorwing flocks/Tervigons are gonna be good -- people are going to want lots of those -- let's make 'em a plastic kit in the first wave"), and don't have the agility to alter strategy at any speed faster than "several years for a slight tweak" ("Everyone loves Razorwings! Can we change that kit to a plastic one with 5 bases in?" "No can do; we have the release already planned out and the ad copy already written").

I mean -- they're nice minis, for sure. But my budget for overpriced single-mini-per-blister metal miniatures is tied up with buying Hive Guard for the forseeable future, till I have 9. I can't see me ever buying the 5 Razorwings I'd need for one Beastmaster, let alone the 10 or 15 for two or three.

Kroothawk wrote:That would have created much more nerdrage, esp. from those people wanting the Beastmaster and non-GW Beasts. Everyone not wanting all monsters will save a lot of money without a box.

The Kan ... [mod edit] is right that complaining would have happened regardless of how it was packaged. At least in a box form it wouldn't be as absurdly expensive to get the beasties. I mean c'mon Kroot - 1 Flock of Seagulls per blister? That's highway fething robbery.

Maybe this is all a cunning plan on GW's part to shift loads of boxes of Direwolves/Chaos Hounds/LotR Wargs etc?

All its cost them is a couple of cheap rubber moulds and they shift a crapton of plasticrack...

Kroothawk wrote:Making the Beastmaster and his monsters metal makes sense, as there are 2-3 other Fast Attack options in plastic, so nobody will probably want more than 1 Beastmaster with more than one beast option. And Jetbikes and Hellions are a strong alternative, making a plastic Beastmaster not economic enough. Be happy that you don't have to buy the beasts that you don't need/like in a forced bundle.

This is a good observation, however the pricing of the models kinda make it moot. Two Razorwing Flock will cost you more than a box of, say, Bloodletters. They could have just as easily released them in plastic 5 to a box for the same price. Khymerae too, which can be priced much cheaper in plastic given that it costs 30 CAD to get just 2 of them, whereas you can get 5 Chaos Knights for less (and making them in boxes of 5 makes sense too). The Clawed Fiend is really the only one that deserves to be a metal model.

I'll be curious to see folks' reactions (including my own) when we actually see a big Beastmaster unit on the table using these models. My particular Beastmaster build is nearly $300 USD.

I'd love to do it, but I can't even justify the price of this unit.

Originally I was not expecting to see these models released at all because of the reasons that have come out. They're too obscure for plastics, and the unit composition makes them extremely expensive as metals. Now I'm curious whether the Archon's Court will follow the same path.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Originally I was not expecting to see these models released at all because of the reasons that have come out. They're too obscure for plastics, and the unit composition makes them extremely expensive as metals. Now I'm curious whether the Archon's Court will follow the same path.

I think we'd have seen the Archon's Court by now if we were going to see it.

Unless they're saving them to release alongside the Haemonculi line-up, but that doesn't really make much "thematic" sense--which is what they seem to be aiming for.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I agree. The metal option makes sense for this type of model. Still should'a been in a box of Master/Big Gorilla thing/2 Muscle Dog things/3 Flock'a Seagulls.

I thought you needed a beastmaster for each type of beast. If GW had done what you suggested here, I daresay you would be the first to cry foul.

Did they fire the guy that did the first wave of dark elder? Because these minis look like gak!

WTF happened?

Manchu wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I agree. The metal option makes sense for this type of model. Still should'a been in a box of Master/Big Gorilla thing/2 Muscle Dog things/3 Flock'a Seagulls.

I thought you needed a beastmaster for each type of beast. If GW had done what you suggested here, I daresay you would be the first to cry foul.

Yeah, a unit is 1-5 beast masters and each master may take 1 clawed fiend, 1-2 razorwing flocks or 1-5 Kymera I believe. Also, only 1 beastmaster per unit may take an agoniser, so you cant make a full legal unit with these models.

kronk wrote:Did they fire the guy that did the first wave of dark elder? Because these minis look like gak!

WTF happened?

Thats a bit harsh.

Gorechild wrote: Thats a bit harsh.

Wave 1 Dark Eldar was outstanding. I was tempted to start a DE army, even though I already have 2 armies in progress.

These new sculpts are horrible.

Hm, I have resisted the temptation up until now. The new sculpts are really pushing me to investigate DE.

kronk wrote:

Gorechild wrote: Thats a bit harsh.

Wave 1 Dark Eldar was outstanding. I was tempted to start a DE army, even though I already have 2 armies in progress.

These new sculpts are horrible.

Yeah the 1st wave were beautiful, I bought 1500 points of them ( and I have 3 other armies on the go ), I wouldn't say any of the new ones are horrible though. The kymera are really good sculpts, as are the fiends (except the tripple nipple's). The flocks arent bad sculpts, they are well sculpted and the detail is great, they are just a little unexciting. Agreed that the Beastmasters chest looks a little ham fisted, but its still not horrible, just not the same awesome standard of things like some of the 1st wave.

Steelmage99 wrote:What on Earth is GW thinking?

I don't care if they were sculpted in gold, and included a BJ and a salmon sandwich.....I am not paying three times as much.

You my friend are a comic scholar. I cracked up!

Steelmage99 wrote:I don't care if they were sculpted in gold, and included a BJ and a salmon sandwich.....I am not paying three times as much.

If you don't want it, then... Can I have the sandwich?

@Marrak

Thanks for posting that link. I think these are probably my favorite proxies posted yet.

I like those plastic Dirz tigers, too, though.


Eric


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JOHIRA wrote:Holy Gak, it's muscle-bound behemoth ready to beat me into a fine mist!

Oh how cute, someone gave the gorilla a Halloween mask and some beer. Now it's struggling to stand up on two legs.

IMO, not a fair comparison.

We're all sitting around b!tching about the price of the masked gorilla mutant, and you post something that's more than twice as expensive .
Something cheaper and better would, by far, be a better post (and one I'd LOVE to see).

Eric

We can agree on the wave 1 sculpts, Gorechild. For wave 2, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Right?

Poke!

kronk wrote:We can agree on the wave 1 sculpts, Gorechild. For wave 2, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Right?

I didn't say the beasts are beautiful, just that they aren't horrible, horrible is a bit of a strong word imo

Gorechild wrote:

kronk wrote:We can agree on the wave 1 sculpts, Gorechild. For wave 2, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Right?

I didn't say the beasts are beautiful, just that they aren't horrible, horrible is a bit of a strong word imo

But compared to the fantastic wave one sculpts its like finding out your girl is really a crack ho. She looked good at first but as time went on, well so did her looks.

Uh, hardly. Those sculpts are pretty far from ugly. They fit in very well with the great looking first wave.

Yeah, I don't get all this hatred, I think these are amazing, and can't wait for the next wave.

Here's to hoping for a Lady Malys model that's as awesome and BA as the Succubus and Lelith.

The Fragile Breath wrote: . . . something but I was distracted by the username.

Holy gak that is an awesome username. Please tell me your army is called Kabal of the Fragile Breath. Morathi's Darkest Sin has some competition here for best handle, I think.

We're all sitting around b!tching about the price of the masked gorilla mutant, and you post something that's more than twice as expensive .
Something cheaper and better would, by far, be a better post (and one I'd LOVE to see).

You might wanna do a size check
The troll is quite a bit bigger.
So its price would be more.

I say to hell with GW on this one, im going to find some small plastic care bears to use instead.

do it

beast master = haemonculus conversion IMO

Okay guys, let's be real. The sculpts are pretty damned nice. You might not like the Vespid motif of the beastmaster critters, and that's certainly okay to gripe about, but calling the sculpts ugly is just trolling. It's the price, not the sculpting that's going to drive people away from this release.