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I love the succubus, but that beastmaster is made of fail, imo.

I have no use for the Khymeras, but they are exceedingly well done.

I think the Beastmaster just show's we're all better off kitbashing the hellions.

I think they are all excellent models. I have very few complaints other than some minor issues over the Succubus' pose and the annoying skulls on the beastmaster's flying machine.

They are great. They are also insanely expensive. Prohibatively so, especially given the numbers needed. As people have already pointed out, a unit would be the same price as you'd need to create a whole other army in plastic.

The Night Stalker wrote:Finally another DE update, even if it is metal. But whats with all the complaints, has everyone become THAT spoiled, whenever there is a long period of no updates, everyone whines for new models, but when new models are released everybody jumps on the "I hate it bandwagon"

Well, for me it's pretty simple: If GW wants us to pay Porsche prices, then then need to give us Porsche-quality models. At this price range, even minor sculpting problems become serious reasons not to buy the models. Either give me a discount or give me perfection.

Good models but way to much money.

The Night Stalker wrote:Finally another DE update, even if it is metal. But whats with all the complaints, has everyone become THAT spoiled, whenever there is a long period of no updates, everyone whines for new models, but when new models are released everybody jumps on the "I hate it bandwagon"

1. My Dark Eldar Torture and Enslave.
2. Beast units are critical to my torture and enslavement.
3. Seagulls are not effective tools of pain and misfortune (except to parked cars and abandoned hot dogs).

Those steps of logic dictate that I cannot put these seagulls into my list. And where these khymerae are $15 apiece, I still have 5 warp beasts that are well done, and 10 LOTRO Wargs that I was going to convert - cost me $30 for two boxes.

*EDIT* And my razorwing flocks are taking the following form: Necron Scarab swarms that have had literal razor wings glued onto their sides. That's right. Flying robots with razor wings.

Dashofpepper wrote:
1. My Dark Eldar Torture and Enslave.
2. Beast units are critical to my torture and enslavement.
3. Seagulls are not effective tools of pain and misfortune (except to parked cars and abandoned hot dogs).

Those steps of logic dictate that I cannot put these seagulls into my list. And where these khymerae are $15 apiece, I still have 5 warp beasts that are well done, and 10 LOTRO Wargs that I was going to convert - cost me $30 for two boxes.

But think of the conversion opportunities! You could buy the wrecked rhino and paint bird droppings on it! All those space marines screaming with one fist in the air? Just model the last little bit of a hot dog in that fist, and they are cursing your diabolical, hot-dog filching Razorwings!

Over $150 for a modest sized unit! WTF is GW thinking?

The Night Stalker wrote:Finally another DE update, even if it is metal. But whats with all the complaints, has everyone become THAT spoiled, whenever there is a long period of no updates, everyone whines for new models, but when new models are released everybody jumps on the "I hate it bandwagon"

It's not a bandwagon if it's justified. I like the Succubus just fine, but the birds are unintimidating and mundane for what they're supposed to represent, and the Beastmaster unit is brutally expensive for its points.

5 Beastmaster w/ 5 Khymera each 360 points $425.00

I'm going to have to purchase both of the Khymerae, as well as the Clawed Fiend, even though I don't play Dark Eldar. I love the idea of someday having painted monsters from all over the 40k universe sitting in a display case , so I hope they keep making more beasties!

Dashofpepper wrote:

The Night Stalker wrote:Finally another DE update, even if it is metal. But whats with all the complaints, has everyone become THAT spoiled, whenever there is a long period of no updates, everyone whines for new models, but when new models are released everybody jumps on the "I hate it bandwagon"

1. My Dark Eldar Torture and Enslave.
2. Beast units are critical to my torture and enslavement.
3. Seagulls are not effective tools of pain and misfortune (except to parked cars and abandoned hot dogs).

Those steps of logic dictate that I cannot put these seagulls into my list. And where these khymerae are $15 apiece, I still have 5 warp beasts that are well done, and 10 LOTRO Wargs that I was going to convert - cost me $30 for two boxes.

*EDIT* And my razorwing flocks are taking the following form: Necron Scarab swarms that have had literal razor wings glued onto their sides. That's right. Flying robots with razor wings.

Are you sure you're not moelling for advantage then?
But seriously, given the cost and asthetics... I do not want to use these models. As many people have said, it's possible to build something that many would consider better (a whole army, to take it over the cliff) for less.

JOHIRA wrote:

Clawed Fiend: Really well-sculpted details, but I can't help but think it's a very un-dynamic ripoff of a certain earthborn dire troll.

I knew I'd seen that pose before...

Can't help but think the succubus looks mannish, when I first saw it on the advanced order page I had a chuckle about them releasing a male succubus, guess I was wrong.

The models are okay, the weakest are the Beastmaster and flock of Seaguls (as Dash pointed out ) although I think the Succubus, and the Khymera are very nice.

Hell I'd grab a Succubus for one of my Eldritch Raiders, but I don't want to duplicate too many figs from Aurelia's Dark Eldar army.

I am stunned at the prices though, not so much as how much the figures cost as individuals, but the cost to make a decent unit.

Its got to be one of the most expensive units point for pound GW has ever done.

olympia wrote:Over $150 for a modest sized unit! WTF is GW thinking?

I think that's a valid point. Since these models are for use in quantity as a unit they are potentially cost prohibitive. Every army has such a unit, Ogryns for IG, Wraithguard for Eldar, Immortals for Necrons, now the Dark Eldar have one too. Buying one of each of those would be tough enough, buying several of each quickly becomes as much money as a large core of whole armies available in plastic.

It's interesting isn't it, that GW have said they have priced things like Goldswords and other elite plastics at a much higher price than the 'rank and file' plastics due to their placement in the army book or codex.

I wonder then how they can explain the incredible price for a rank and file beast that's more expensive than some character models?

I'm sure we're going to see alot of Chaos hounds standing in for Khymeras. Those are $25 for 10.

The converters' alternative to

canute wrote:5 Beastmaster w/ 5 Khymera each 360 points $425.00

Is a box of Hellions and 2.5 boxes of Chaos Hounds or $87-$100, depending on what you do with that other 5 hounds... 1/5th the cost.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:It's interesting isn't it, that GW have said they have priced things like Goldswords and other elite plastics at a much higher price than the 'rank and file' plastics due to their placement in the army book or codex.

I wonder then how they can explain the incredible price for a rank and file beast that's more expensive than some character models?

It's almost like they didn't look at the codex and realise you need 10-20 models to make the unit viable before they made them. If Beastmasters could be used effectivly with maybe 3-4 of these models then the price would be more understandable, still VERY expensive, but more understandable.

The price, coupled with the stupid FAQ decision is probably enough to make stop 90% of the people that would have bought them originally change their mind.

EDIT: typo's

Extremely ridiculous and outrageous price gouging on GW's part.

Awwww I was hoping for this actually:

I must check and see if these prices are crazy enough to offend the fanbois on warseer.

While some of the sculpts are really very impressive, I'm just scratching my head at other things. In no particular order;


-So, the flocks, which are one of the most insane units in the codex, have one of the most underwhelming sculpts... ever?

-Oh, and the little birds are around $4 each (there are 3 separately cast birds, one being a double bird)? Uh huh.

-The Succubus: so the "pile skulls on it!" fairy visited the workshop that night, eh?

-So... we could but this Succubus model for $15, or a whole box of Wyches for $25... right...

-Same for the beastmasters: 1 for $15, or 5 hellions for $25.

-Note also, that while the succubus model description says that the model is "fully compatible" with the other kits, the BM model does not include this. Does that mean it isn't, or they just didn't think you'd want to know?

--So, a unit of 10 flocks and 5 BMs is... $197.50; $122.50 (flocks), $75 (BMs). Or, put another way, 94 cents a point (210 points in the unit).

Just under a dollar a point, is that a record, anyone?

yeah,

Breotan wrote:Guess I'll still be converting my Succy after all. I really hope the DE get a plastic HQ kit like other armies have.

GW succubus entry wrote:This blister pack contains one Dark Eldar Succubus in five components and a 25mm Round Slotted Base. (This miniature is fully compatible with plastic Dark Eldar kits, enabling you to convert your Succubus with any spare weapons from your Dark Eldar collection.)

So expect she's good fodder for conversions. I'll get one or two for my girls.

TBD wrote:People will probably buy a Hellions box + some leftover agonizers from other plastic kits instead of buying a unit of x times this same metal sculpt...

Agreed, but I'll probabilby get 2 or three of the beastmasters just for their skyboard variation.

RazorWingsFlockz = I iz Disapoint...

Clawed fiend - looks good.. but need more model variations so units / multiple units look good.

Khymera - great models, but I'd want more variations to make good looking units.
While cost is a factor, a more inhibiting factor for me is limiting them to two models.
I hate having multiple copies of a pose within a unit.
Unless they release extra variations of Khymera I'll convert mine.
This is why I havn't considered mandrakes... I don't want to pay for repeats!

Wargs show up cheap on ebay. and Kroot hounds are two for £8.70 and would look great with a new head?
chaos warhounds and dire wolves are both 10 models for £15.50 boxes...


If I convert I'll mix up two or three of these units.
I'd need to source a good replacement head to give the units a united feel.
maybe something in the skaven or lizardmen range.

Panic...

Gorechild wrote:The price, coupled with the stupid FAQ decision is probably enough to make stop 90% of the people that would have bought them originally change their mind.

What stupid FAQ decision would that be?

yeah,
The beasts don't benifit from pain tokens... just the beast masters.

Panic...

I love the looks myself, except the beast master that helmet is bad. I was hoping that the succubus would be something bizzare like lady gaga's meat dress.

That beast master model is ludicrously ugly.

Like most of you, I like the sculpts, but the prices are insane. I dont know how well the beasts will fit (visually) into a DE army.

AlexHolker wrote:

The Night Stalker wrote:Finally another DE update, even if it is metal. But whats with all the complaints, has everyone become THAT spoiled, whenever there is a long period of no updates, everyone whines for new models, but when new models are released everybody jumps on the "I hate it bandwagon"

It's not a bandwagon if it's justified. I like the Succubus just fine, but the birds are unintimidating and mundane for what they're supposed to represent, and the Beastmaster unit is brutally expensive for its points.

The birds are meant to be unintimidating and mundane.
They're freakin' birds man, no matter how you spin it. They're only dangerous because they travel in huge flocks.

AlexHolker wrote:

Gorechild wrote:The price, coupled with the stupid FAQ decision is probably enough to make stop 90% of the people that would have bought them originally change their mind.

What stupid FAQ decision would that be?

Panic wrote:The beasts don't benifit from pain tokens... just the beast masters

Panic got it, despite the fact that the rule specifically says that all members of the unit gain the benefit. They could have been a really tough interesting unit, but now they are just shaping up to be an okay, stupidly over priced one.

This is the first time I cant justify the cost of buying warhammer to myself, and I have two units of wraithguard