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When I started getting back into 40k, I noticed that there was a "new" plastic Baneblade kit. This was nifty, as even at 100USD it was cheaper than the Forge World version I remember from so long ago. I looked in the IG codex, however, and noticed it wasn't there! If a guard player wants to use the Baneblade, where must he turn? I know it's in Imperial Armour 1, but that book is rather out dated.

M.

The imperial armour book i wish they had put the bane blade into the ig codex... would of been awsome..

Doesn't apocalypse rules cover this? Its pretty much the intended scale for baneblades and variants anyway.

i dont understand why IG wouldnt have super heavys anyway.. they are like tank masters... they should have it in there codex in my opinion

Infantryman, the Apoc book cover them.

However, the other super heavies are available on the Games Workshop website here. You'll find the Banehammer, Banesword, Shadowsword, Stormlord, Stormsword, and Doomhammer there.

thelordoflife wrote:i dont understand why IG wouldnt have super heavys anyway.. they are like tank masters... they should have it in there codex in my opinion

Because then a single tank would be half your army. You're right, they should have that option, because anytime my opponent plopped a Baneblade down in a regular game, I'd know it'd be an easy win.

Yeah, Baneblade is overkill for a normal game of 40k. But take heart, IG can field valkyries (which is like a mini thunderhawk) and squadrons of Leman Russ Battle Tanks for a single HS slot as well as a Deathstrike Missile that instant kills anything thats under the blast with a vortex death of doom!!

Compared to most other codicies I reckon that IG have got an apoc heavy list already!!

But among friends you can always play your baneblade, as long as they know beforehand. It's not a nice surprise to face one of them!

Forge World has the IA1(and 2) updates available for free download on their site. it has none of the fluff, just the rules for using the vehicles within the respective tomes updated for 5th edition(and as such, the wargear options and costs are presented in a 5th edition format).

IA1 also gives you the updated Armored battlegroup army list; which is really nice.

A Baneblade isn't many points more than a squad of LRBT's and can be cheaper than some configurations. It wouldnt be unreasonable to have one in a standard game.

Battle missions lets you field 3 in a "normal" game

As other have said, their rules are in the 1st Apocalypse book.

You can also field them in a spearhead game. They just cost 50 points more IIRC and tactically should wait until turn 2 to enter but then you can let it rip.

Thanks for the heads up. As an aside, what is this "Apocalypse" series? I keep seeing it referenced in threads.

M.

The first Apocalype rulebook can be found in the like I gave earlier. There is also Apocalypse Reloaded and Imperial Armory: Apoc 1 and 2.

Basically, they are an optional set of rules that let you and your friends play large point games without worrying about the standard FOC. It's very hard to stick to 5 troops, 2 HQ, and 3 each of Heavy, Fast Attack, and Elites when you are playing a 6000 point game. These games generally have allies (I bring IG with my space marine armies), super heavy tanks, titans, and unit formations. The books above will have the datasheets, as well as the GW site here.

It's just another way to play Warhammer 40k, like planet strike or the battle missions book. Apoc games have their own rules for how big the table needs to be, how to pick the starting player(s), reserves, and so on.

Our group allows ANY forgeworld 40k models and rules when playing Apoc games. Our biggest game was 2-versus-2, 6000 points each player. We got through turn 4 before time was up. There were 3 super heavies and 3 fliers in that one.

My last game, I played my Space Marines against my friend's Eldar. Ended in a tie, but we completed 5 turns (our best to-date). Of the 12000 total points that started the game, less than 4000 survived at the end.

SaintHazard wrote:Because then a single tank would be half your army.

Most of the Baneblade variants are only 400-450 points. I believe a fully equiped Baneblade is 500. Baneblades are cool, but except for the Shadowsword, really aren't unreasonable. I'd rather take 3 Russes than a single Baneblade.

DarkHound wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:Because then a single tank would be half your army.

Most of the Baneblade variants are only 400-450 points. I believe a fully equiped Baneblade is 500. Baneblades are cool, but except for the Shadowsword, really aren't unreasonable. I'd rather take 3 Russes than a single Baneblade.

Okay, so a third. My point stands.

DarkHound wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:Because then a single tank would be half your army.

Most of the Baneblade variants are only 400-450 points. I believe a fully equiped Baneblade is 500. Baneblades are cool, but except for the Shadowsword, really aren't unreasonable. I'd rather take 3 Russes than a single Baneblade.

Super-heavies get some rules that make them better than three LRs, namely the ability to shoot all their weapons at different targets, and do it while moving. Some of them also provide the equivalent of massive transport capacity with assault ramps, access points everywhere, and large numbers of firing ports.

I don't think Baneblades are that tough to kill, but there's no doubt in my mind that they can dish out much more firepower than the equivalent-points LR squad.

Thanks kronk. Sounds interesting and I might have to look into it. If I ever run another IG army it'll be a Steel Legion spin off, with lots of tanks and mech infantry so I wanted to know if that Baneblade was an option. I already know I'll be using at least two different FW tanks.

M.

erwos wrote:Super-heavies get some rules that make them better than three LRs, namely the ability to shoot all their weapons at different targets, and do it while moving. Some of them also provide the equivalent of massive transport capacity with assault ramps, access points everywhere, and large numbers of firing ports.

I don't think Baneblades are that tough to kill, but there's no doubt in my mind that they can dish out much more firepower than the equivalent-points LR squad.

3 Leman Russes can fire at their own targets, and can do it on the move thanks to Lumbering Behemoth. Three Leman Russes (say a Demolisher and 2 Battle Tanks all with Lascannon hullmounts) will have a higher damage potential, but a slightly lower damage average than most Baneblade variants.

s.j.mccartney wrote:t as well as a Deathstrike Missile that instant kills anything thats under the blast with a vortex death of doom!!

The Vortex missile is only in Apoc....




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DarkHound wrote:

erwos wrote:Super-heavies get some rules that make them better than three LRs, namely the ability to shoot all their weapons at different targets, and do it while moving. Some of them also provide the equivalent of massive transport capacity with assault ramps, access points everywhere, and large numbers of firing ports.

I don't think Baneblades are that tough to kill, but there's no doubt in my mind that they can dish out much more firepower than the equivalent-points LR squad.

3 Leman Russes can fire at their own targets, and can do it on the move thanks to Lumbering Behemoth. Three Leman Russes (say a Demolisher and 2 Battle Tanks all with Lascannon hullmounts) will have a higher damage potential, but a slightly lower damage average than most Baneblade variants.

A squadron of 3 Leman Russ's follow the rules for squadrons.

Thus, if squadron-ed 2 of the tanks will wreak on an immobilize results, meaning glacing hits could kill them.

Because they are a squadron they have to focus their fire on a SINGLE TARGET.

Majority has to have cover for the unit to have cover.

etc.

Lumbering behemoth - Even moving at combat speed it may fire the turret and any other guns it is normally allowe dto (even if the turret if ordnance). Moving at cruising speed is 1d6 plus 6 inches.

Why would you ever take a squadron of Leman Russes? In any scenario where you can take a Baneblade, the FOC either doesn't matter (Apoc) or can be bent (Spearhead).

You can use a baneblade in spearhead.

Also, Let's say you take the Stormlord and it's standard kit.

you've got ~ 2 squads of guys in the back firing out at their own targets.

You've got the hull mounted twin - linked heavy bolter firing on it's own target, you've got the Mega bolter of doom firing on it's own target

you've got each twin linked heavy bolter sponson firing on it's own target

and each las cannon swinging around in it's own 360 degree arc firing at their ow thing

or you can focus fire all that ungodly amount of shoots into a mob of boyz... That'll make an ork player cry. ^.^


ANY WAY's

You'd take squadrons of them for specialized usage.

3 punishers to make sure the 60+ shots kill those mobs

3 Vanquishers to make sure that land raider dies

etc

DarkHound wrote:Why would you ever take a squadron of Leman Russes? In any scenario where you can take a Baneblade, the FOC either doesn't matter (Apoc) or can be bent (Spearhead).

Spearhead is fun...great "in-betweener" ruleset between regular rules and apocalypse...I bought the plastic baneblade and shadowsword sets because of spearhead. Great plastic kits those two! By magnetizing the weapons you can switch between every variant the kits allow...

Cambak wrote:You'd take squadrons of them for specialized usage.

3 punishers to make sure the 60+ shots kill those mobs

3 Vanquishers to make sure that land raider dies

etc

Why not take them individually and fire at the same target if you really need it? That way you don't have to deal with dieing on an Immobilized result. There are a couple scenarios where squadroning Punishers to force allocation is viable, but those are few and far between.

Yeah, the "tanks sticking together as a squadron" kinda sucks in this edition, as the immobilize makes it wreck. You should be able to take 3 as heavy support and while you must deploy them together, you can move them as if they were separate units.

M.