I'm thinking of picking up a Marauder Destroyer to use as a Lord of War in my Sisters army.

Anyone have any experience fielding one?

Seems like a bad idea to take a flyer for your lord of war, but that's just me. I have not fielded one.

It's cool, though (I actually had the same idea)

But I second that you probably want a super-heavy on the board turn 1 and not be at the mercy of your reserve rolls.

Comm relay, anyone?

Warhound is probably a better option.

I was thinking a flyer might have more survivability as it can't be hit by D-weapon blasts, can't be locked in combat and a lot of the counters players might bring to take out a LoW won't be as effective vs a flyer.

Loopstah wrote:
I was thinking a flyer might have more survivability as it can't be hit by D-weapon blasts, can't be locked in combat and a lot of the counters players might bring to take out a LoW won't be as effective vs a flyer.

Two words - Necron Pylon.

As it turns out, the necrons have a fairly cheap Super Heavy unit that's really good at killing other super heavies. It doesn't use a blast weapon, and it has Skyfire and Interception.

Besides, most SHV have High RoF weapons that can clip a flyer. Revs are the only SHVs I could think of that has poor air defense.

Downside is that you're always playing without it for 1 turn and possibly more (even with a comm relay).

 pretre wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Anyways... sorry. off topic but necessary.

Take it to the Forgeworld rant threads please. Not to mention, as CIS mentioned, your first premise is incorrect.

I dont think it is. But thern... we aren't talking objective truths here are we? We're talking opinions. Whicjh is entirely appropriate for a forum.

But it isn't entirely off topic anyways. The Avenger is a perfect example of what, like the Hydra, could easily have been included. Same for the Repressor which has been around a LONG time... Yet not in the codex. And for what reason is it omitted? Why do we include the Hydra in the IG codex and not take the same tact with others? The precedent is there. FIX the unit from a game perspective and the gaming models right there for purchase. Balance it and make it available. Instead, they make the gateway price for a Repressor the cost of the book you need to provide your opponent upon request PLUS the model. Multiply that times the number of books the various things are scattered amongst and you start to find why people just kinda dont want to have to even deal with it.

Sisters was an ideal codex to try it in, because less people play it, less would be offended by any mistakes to it and overall a safer "haven".

Maybe if they do a hardback, they will include it. There's still hope. But if it isn't, I feel it infinitely unfair to opponents to make them plan for 10 books worth of material they dont have access to within reason. That among many reasons.

 Jancoran wrote:
I dont think it is. But thern... we aren't talking objective truths here are we? We're talking opinions. Whicjh is entirely appropriate for a forum.

The money grab is just ridiculous. $4 for new rules on Dante?

This was incorrect. Which was your first premise.

You know the difference between examples...and a premise...right? Come now.

 Jancoran wrote:
Instead, they make the gateway price for a Repressor the cost of the book you need to provide your opponent upon request PLUS the model. Multiply that times the number of books the various things are scattered amongst and you start to find why people just kinda dont want to have to even deal with it.

Sisters was an ideal codex to try it in, because less people play it, less would be offended by any mistakes to it and overall a safer "haven".

I do agree with the Avenger & Repressor being in the codex in the first place, but GW have always "put aside" rules for models from Forgeworld, nothing new there...

They are barely starting to include a rare item or two via Escalation, but the day where "all available 40k items" - read Forgeworld - are in all base codices is still very very far from us. Especially with all the Codex supplements tactics...

But as this post is a Tactica: How do people get their repentia to the enemy lines?
I am getting some shortly, rules looking pretty good, and the only tactic i can kind of think of is: Flank drive up the Rhino, get out behind it, hope it glances to death rather than blowing up and charge (turn 3?) but that's looking pretty grim.

It would however coincide with turn 2 or 3 arrival of the Avenger which can delete an MEQ unit that would threaten them...

A better unit, and more survivable, than Repentia would be an Inquisitorial detachment of DCA+Crusaders charging out of a DT Land Raider Crusader w/ Psybolt. In you have the points. Teamed up with a Grenade-caddy Inquisitor, this unit will mulch pretty much anything worth mulching.

SJ

That's a lot of points for a deathstar HQ unit running in on its own... Entire opposite army shooting everything at it? Might as well play Celestine with retinue at 270 points, it probably performs similarly for less points.

As posted above i'd have a ranged Inquisitor HQ for slightly less points and definitely less "have slay the warlord, i'll move him up the table for you" as he''l be in or around the rest of the army trodding up the table (unless that's how you were thinking of the LR?)

The repentia is just much cheaper in a small Rhino and more likely get the enemy thinking about Exorcists, Avengers and big blob of sisters walking at them. Element of surprise if you will.

I've been thinking about Promethium Relays and how best to take advantage. Repressor heavy army with plenty of heavy flamers seems like a win here.

Might make the easy-bake oven unit a bit more reliable. Max Retributors with Jacobus and Simulacrum would be entertaining.

 pretre wrote:
I've been thinking about Promethium Relays and how best to take advantage. Repressor heavy army with plenty of heavy flamers seems like a win here.

Might make the easy-bake oven unit a bit more reliable. Max Retributors with Jacobus and Simulacrum would be entertaining.

The best way to utilise it to me, would be the Void Relay Network.
Have the Void Shields set up so the 12" barrier ends a few inches in front of the Promethium Relay Pipes.
Maybe have some Tank Traps in front of that at the boundary of the Void Shields?
Then have Exorcists up near the Void Shield Generator itself.

Then as many Flamers/Heavy Flamers as you can muster and just spam Torrent Templates.

Immune to weapons lower than Str6, 20" template range, and 5+/4+ cover for everyone.

Throw in some DCA / Repentia to bubble wrap things, and you've got a pretty damn nasty list.

Interesting. Still waiting for my copy of Stronghold Assault so I appreciate the ideas.

Definitely interested in void shields, especially with Escalation and about 25% of local gaming buddies picking up a Baneblade for after Christmas =P

My original idea was a SoB Baneblade, but i've read the book, and unless we get it via house rules......
So now the only real option is the dominions tank hunting and Exorcist shots while hiding behind them voids :\

The only LOW that we get are from Forge World. We get the flyers, Warhound and Reaver.

I am aware of that, but an Avenger is as far as i go for FW...

 BlackTalos wrote:
I am aware of that, but an Avenger is as far as i go for FW...

Might want to try to see if your gaming group will let you have a baneblade as a house rule then.

 pretre wrote:
Might want to try to see if your gaming group will let you have a baneblade as a house rule then.

As a fellow SoB player you must have seen this one:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/532988-.html?m=2

I like that model so much!

Yes, seen it.

Finally got a look at Stronghold Assault. Hoping this one sees use since I love forts.

Interesting bits:

- Vengeance Batteries with Quad Lascannons for 75 points a pop? Nice! Plus you can add 6 6" sections of Barricades for 10 points a piece. I can see a nice 'Aegis' formation of this with 2 Quad Lascannons and 3-6 Barricade sections fitting nicely into a list

- Void Shield building. Put in Void Shield Building. Buy Barricades. Now you have a firebase with 1-3 AV12 shields to get through and a nice 4+ cover save. Neato.

- Bastions really have an opportunity to become a points sink. Say my Retributor Bastion.
Bastion - 75
Icarus - 35
Extra Icarus - 35
3 Barricades - 30
Ammo Store - 15 (rerolling 1's for Retributors? Yes, please!)
Void Shield - 25

210? Actually not bad. Gives you a solid shooting platform, a quasi-aegis (barricades), two skyfire interceptor weapons and protection from small arms fire for the roof squad until the void shield is popped.

That bastion does sound neat! However i'd have any of those in the Primary detachment (1 Fort Slot) so "pick one" basically.

As I do believe (not read the book) that more than 1 Fort. is only for the book's specific missions?

How would you model double icarus and leave enough space on that roof?

I am considering that bastion with single Quad gun, ammo store and void shield (Bastion only or X" around it?) for Command 5 x HB while the canoness runs around (and if she's not replaced by Inquisition)

Actually, I messed up, you can't take double icarus. So it would be:

Bastion - 75
Quad - 50
3 Barricades - 30
Ammo Store - 15 (rerolling 1's for Retributors? Yes, please!)
Void Shield - 25
So 190.

 BlackTalos wrote:
But as this post is a Tactica: How do people get their repentia to the enemy lines?
I am getting some shortly, rules looking pretty good, and the only tactic i can kind of think of is: Flank drive up the Rhino, get out behind it, hope it glances to death rather than blowing up and charge (turn 3?) but that's looking pretty grim.

It would however coincide with turn 2 or 3 arrival of the Avenger which can delete an MEQ unit that would threaten them...

Anyone using Repentia would have any advice?

If you HAVE to take repentia, you need to take big squads and then lots of threats. Transports aren't really worth it, I would just run them.

I think, if I was crazy and had the models, I'd run 9 penitents and 30 repentia.

Chances are at least one of the squads would get there.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
But as this post is a Tactica: How do people get their repentia to the enemy lines?
I am getting some shortly, rules looking pretty good, and the only tactic i can kind of think of is: Flank drive up the Rhino, get out behind it, hope it glances to death rather than blowing up and charge (turn 3?) but that's looking pretty grim.

It would however coincide with turn 2 or 3 arrival of the Avenger which can delete an MEQ unit that would threaten them...

Anyone using Repentia would have any advice?

The only way I've found that lets them live, is max out on them. (And penitent engines).
There's so much hot fiery death bearing down on them, the opponent doesn't know what to shoot at, and even if they DO focus fire, they're not going to take out more than 1-2 units overall. The rest will play 'will it blend' with the enemy army. (The answer is always yes by the way.)

After that.. they're probably going to be mostly or all dead, they might make it to hit something else but it's not likely, so here's hoping the 2-5 other things you took in the army is enough to take out what's left.

So they would not really work in say 1200 points (or even 2000) with other main units?

As in it'd have to be 50% of points for Repentia+Penitent? No running them in any way at 10-20% of your points?

Not really.

 BlackTalos wrote:
So they would not really work in say 1200 points (or even 2000) with other main units?

As in it'd have to be 50% of points for Repentia+Penitent? No running them in any way at 10-20% of your points?

You can run say, 1 minimum sized unit of Repentia (say 5?), and keep them in your deployment zone as a counter charge unit / back row defence.

They can hide behind everything else / in cover, and chew up any deep strikers or kill things that are being tied up by BSS blobs and such.
(Actually, if running a Void Shield Generator, you could sit them behind the building, then assault anything that comes inside the bubble with them.)

You can run 1 squad, and it might make it - but you definately want to run it on foot or walk them up behind a wall of armour.

I see, thanks for the help, my original idea was above: 10 in a Rhino at some point making it around to the enemy with the "hide behind Rhino for a turn" tactic =P

But i do like the counter-charge idea and was really considering void shields as Fort. slot.

Keep in mind that you can charge out of Forts now. You could put a squad in a Bastion and dare someone to come near it.

 pretre wrote:
Keep in mind that you can charge out of Forts now. You could put a squad in a Bastion and dare someone to come near it.

Ohman...
Bastion with a extra entrance?

Extra entrance doesn't allow charges.

 BlackTalos wrote:

I do agree with the Avenger & Repressor being in the codex in the first place, but GW have always "put aside" rules for models from Forgeworld, nothing new there...

But as this post is a Tactica: How do people get their repentia to the enemy lines?
I am getting some shortly, rules looking pretty good, and the only tactic i can kind of think of is: Flank drive up the Rhino, get out behind it, hope it glances to death rather than blowing up and charge (turn 3?) but that's looking pretty grim.

It would however coincide with turn 2 or 3 arrival of the Avenger which can delete an MEQ unit that would threaten them...

I wrote two articles on Sisters of Battle recently, and i do talk about the Sisters Repentia there.

http://www.40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2013/12/adepta-sororitas-part-ii.html

Sisters Repentia are great in my opinion, but many disagree. too squishy for some peoples blood.

I totally got called out for my defeatist hyperbole on that one.

I just can't get Repentia to do anything useful. They get so shot up before they get into combat and since they go last I'll get one or two surviving long enough to swing their swords. Unless you're going up against dreadnaught spam, I don't see a reason for ever taking them.

 pretre wrote:
Actually, I messed up, you can't take double icarus. So it would be:

Bastion - 75
Quad - 50
3 Barricades - 30
Ammo Store - 15 (rerolling 1's for Retributors? Yes, please!)
Void Shield - 25
So 190.

I was surprised they changed how the icarus/quad works. If you put on top of the Bastion it becomes an emplaced weapon so it can't be killed without seriously hurting the bastion (or destroying it). I may give the Bastion another go.

And you can fire it from inside.

If a sister army at 1850 pts has 3 exorcists, but lacks some oomph, I thought about dropping an exorcist, and adding a vindicare assassin and putting him in the bastion. That way he's survivable, and to be honest, he is a killer tank hunter, invulnerable wargear killer. He seems solid, but not sure if it's a good trade off. Sacrificing a lot of shots for this guy, but he snipes out ethereals, chapter masters with eternal warrior shield, and just wrecks vehicles flat out.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I just can't get Repentia to do anything useful. They get so shot up before they get into combat and since they go last I'll get one or two surviving long enough to swing their swords. Unless you're going up against dreadnaught spam, I don't see a reason for ever taking them.

Try using Void Shield Generator or Void Relay Network. They can offer a large amount of protection.

I'm planning on using on the Void Relay Network to increase the ranges of sisters flamers and making them even tougher.

 Necrosis wrote:
Try using Void Shield Generator or Void Relay Network. They can offer a large amount of protection.

I'm planning on using on the Void Relay Network to increase the ranges of sisters flamers and making them even tougher.

That is probably the best idea, but void relays include Promethium pipes? the would definitely be my fortification choice then...

The Vindicaire on Bastion isn't too bad, but you would need to spend at least the void shield on the Bastion as otherwise the armour 14 isn't going to last that long... Down comes the Bastion and splat goes the Assassin =P

I wouldn't trade an exorcist for a vindicare.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Necrosis wrote:
Try using Void Shield Generator or Void Relay Network. They can offer a large amount of protection.

I'm planning on using on the Void Relay Network to increase the ranges of sisters flamers and making them even tougher.

That is probably the best idea, but void relays include Promethium pipes? the would definitely be my fortification choice then...

The Vindicaire on Bastion isn't too bad, but you would need to spend at least the void shield on the Bastion as otherwise the armour 14 isn't going to last that long... Down comes the Bastion and splat goes the Assassin =P

You have 3 options for those.

1: Promethium Relay Pipes. (1 length of pipe, with 3 long and 4 short sections, can take Obstacles)
2: Void Shield Generator. (1 building with 1-3 shields, can take Obstacles)
3: Void Relay Network. (1-3 Promethium Relay Pipes, 1-3 Void Shield Generators, 0-1 Honoured Imperium)

So you could feasibly take 9 Void Shields, 3 Pipes, and enough Tanglewire, Barricades and Tank Traps to block off a significant portion of your deployment zone, if not all of it.
All for 420-500pts.

Quick question, best composition for a conclave? I'm planning to run an assault-based command squad with a Sacred Banner of the Orders Militant (if I can model something worthy!), and I've read that that syncs well with a conclave nearby.

I play w 4 Arco, 2 Crusaders, 4 assassins

I would skip the arcos. 5 Crusaders, 5 DCA. Or if you're running priests with them, 6 or 7 crusaders, remaining DCA.

 Ovion wrote:
So you could feasibly take 9 Void Shields, 3 Pipes, and enough Tanglewire, Barricades and Tank Traps to block off a significant portion of your deployment zone, if not all of it.
All for 420-500pts.

Lol i wasn't thinking spending 1/2 or 1/4 of an army on it...

It would be to re-fit the 100Pts Aegis with Quad i dropped recently in favour of the Avenger (only unit of Skyfire). I'd say 1 Void Generator with 1 Pipes relay, shouldn't bee too much


As for the Conclave: 5 Crusader 5 DCA is the idea, but i'd still fit an Acro or 2, just for the 7 attacks on the charge... and definitely a priest in there.

yeah,1 shield generator + 1 length of pipe should run you around 90-140pts.

I'd probably go the 2-3 shield route myself - it's a solid scary defence against everything, and the only real defence you have against D-Weapons.

The only way I can see repentia actually making it into combat is by maxing out on the void shields and saturating the assult troops. if the enemy has to shoot through 9 void shields before they can hit your repentia then you should be fine. There is only like one army that can reliably cut through that much av12 and lets face it, sisters don't show up all that often.

Using this soon to be available set, that coincidently has a resemblence to certain stuff.

This set up will give you 4+ cover, defence against tanks, bikes and infantry, 3 recharging AV12 layers and upgrades Flamers to Torrent, and bypasses the explodey aspect of the pipes.
All for the low cost of 200pts!

Now you just need to make it commercially available.

So I'm going to adepticon for the first time. Assuming they don't include escalation or stronghold assault what would your 1850 pts include ? If I may ask. (I'm just assuming they don't include those two, because it's better to be ready for them not to be than make slight adjustments to include them.)

At 1850, I would run something like:

Uriah and Priest star (5 priest, 3 mauls, 1 litany)
2-3 Sisters in Rhinos (5 with F/HF)
1 20 Sisters
3 Exorcists
as many dominions as you can fit in.

YOu could drop some of that to fit in Coteaz and henchmen in a bastion as well.

 Ovion wrote:

Spoiler:

Using this soon to be available set, that coincidently has a resemblence to certain stuff.

This set up will give you 4+ cover, defence against tanks, bikes and infantry, 3 recharging AV12 layers and upgrades Flamers to Torrent, and bypasses the explodey aspect of the pipes.
All for the low cost of 200pts!

Are you planning to make this available via shapeways? I will be pretty happy if you do.

That looks good! It constantly surprises me that GW doesn't release the terrain to go with the new books. Don't they want our money?

ansacs wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

Spoiler:

Using this soon to be available set, that coincidently has a resemblence to certain stuff.

This set up will give you 4+ cover, defence against tanks, bikes and infantry, 3 recharging AV12 layers and upgrades Flamers to Torrent, and bypasses the explodey aspect of the pipes.
All for the low cost of 200pts!

Are you planning to make this available via shapeways? I will be pretty happy if you do.

I've actually already put it on shapeways.
Problem is, it's prohibitively expensive.

The Force Field Generator Building costs £600 (white strong) - £2100 (frosted detail - needed for the detail).
The Fuel Pipes are £150-£200.
This is all as hollowed sprues as well.
At special request, if you want these parts put up for public sale at these prices, I will...

Otherwise, I'm going to be running a kickstarter in the new year, to purchase a Resin Printer (a £300-500 type thing) for resin masters, and casting gear, so I can put them up myself.
And I'll be back to shamelessley plug and encourage people to back it at the time.
Until then, you can always look at more of my renders in my 3D model thread in my sig - plenty of Sisters counts-as in there.

I think 2100 pounds is a bit more than any of us would like to pay for it, as nice as it is!

Yup.
The product I actually put up will be a MUCH more sensible price.

Looks good.

I have recently been buying alot of nice terrain in laser cut mdf - is that a possible cheaper alt ?

Ovion, that stuff looks great. I'm looking forwardo seeing a kickstarter for it in the new year.

In other news, entered a local tourament today, it was a 'twisted doubles' where you bring 900 pts and are randomly selected a partner for each game. I managed to lose all 3 games, I was running jaco in a 9 woman sister squad in a rhino, a 5 woman squa in a mm Immo, melta doms in rhino witha sim imp, and 2 exorcists. Despite losing all 3 games the Sisters didn't perform too badly, weshould have really won the second but it wasn't to be. I'll give a more detsiked breakdown once iget to my pc if anyone's interested.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
Ovion, that stuff looks great. I'm looking forwardo seeing a kickstarter for it in the new year.

In other news, entered a local tourament today, it was a 'twisted doubles' where you bring 900 pts and are randomly selected a partner for each game. I managed to lose all 3 games, I was running jaco in a 9 woman sister squad in a rhino, a 5 woman squa in a mm Immo, melta doms in rhino witha sim imp, and 2 exorcists. Despite losing all 3 games the Sisters didn't perform too badly, weshould have really won the second but it wasn't to be. I'll give a more detsiked breakdown once iget to my pc if anyone's interested.

D

Always interested in hearing! What partners did you end up with, and what did you play against? That and a BRIEF summary should probably be enough for interested parties to ask more specific questions, if we have any

Thanks for sharing (and I actually really like the idea of a twisted doubles event… hmmm)

Would be interested indeed! Not enough flamers to my liking

As of the new IA 12 book the Avenger strike fighter is now capable of being run in squads of 1-3 and now has 3 HP. Found this out the other-day and haven't seen anyone else that's noticed this. Now for my liking 2 exorcists and 2 strike fighters sounds like something fun to build a list around.

Anyone got any thoughts on this? And before anyone asks, it is legit, i even received a email from forgeworld confirming it.

The 3 HP change is a welcome one. I'm not sure running them in squadrons is good. It's a bit of overkill on most things you'd fire at. Plus you risk losing all to a single volley of enemy fire.

Could the two Avengers in the squadron do two parallel strafing runs and tear up the board side by side? Or is that only bombing runs?

(Don't have rulebook handy -- sitting with 4-year-old on lap waiting for church to start...).

3 Hull Points, you say.

This news pleases me.

Still gonna get blasted outta the sky, but I feel better about it now, for some reason.

Squadding them would be incredibly points-expensive for Sisters, unfortunately.

as for the running in squadrons im going to be building mine out of a Valkarie so its gonna cost half the price but before i get into that i think ill just proxy a second one just to try how well (or bad) it works with 2. Ive always liked the model and the rules for it but the 2hp kinda put me off a little.

As for viability there are a lot of people at my local clubs that play CSM and having two avengers would make dealing with the heldrakes quite a bit easier and as im running 2 Dominion squads in immolators i dont want them to hop out and just get the 6 girls baleflamed off the board

I was completely unaware people were still playing with 2HP, sorry.

I've been using the 3HP rules for a while now =S

You also have armoured cockpit to ignore Stunned & Shaken on a 4+. No shield of faith though unfortunately... (Was Q in an email though so not to trust)

 evildrcheese wrote:
I'll give a more detsiked breakdown once iget to my pc if anyone's interested.

D

Still interested if you find a PC and a few minutes =)

Heresy time.

Aegis Defense Line with QUad
20 Sisters
Priests
Uriah
Cypher

Put the Aegis 5.5 inches from mid board.
Infiltrate Cypher and the Blob behind the Aegis. Put Cypher on the quad.

Your blob now has a 2+ cover, 3+ armor and 5++ invulnerable, is fearless and has all the nasty bits from the priests/uriah. Enjoy!


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Just have to convert a 'Arch Cardinal Cylus Pheron' now.

Arch Cardinal Cylys Pheron must have a valid reason to be carrying his 2 pistols and looking evil in a hood. who knows...

 Shandara wrote:
Arch Cardinal Cylys Pheron must have a valid reason to be carrying his 2 pistols and looking evil in a hood. who knows...

It is heresy to question the motives of Arch Cardinal Cylys Pheron!

 pretre wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
Arch Cardinal Cylys Pheron must have a valid reason to be carrying his 2 pistols and looking evil in a hood. who knows...

It is heresy to question the motives of Arch Cardinal Cylys Pheron!

Cylys Pheron would make a better Inquisitor I think.

Who would question a Inquisitor for looking all robed and grim.

Inquisitor Lord Cylus Pheron it is!

 pretre wrote:

Infiltrate Cypher and the Blob behind the Aegis. Put Cypher on the quad.

Nice idea, but YMDC forum has unfortunately debunked this idea:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/570089.page

You'd have to deploy at you line is all


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 pretre wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Cylus Pheron it is!

But this is still a brilliant idea i might just have to steal...

Many stories of Inquisitor Lord Cylus Pheron will be told in the ecclesiarchy records.

A certain fallen inquisitor lord? Hereticus at least..

 BlackTalos wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Infiltrate Cypher and the Blob behind the Aegis. Put Cypher on the quad.

Nice idea, but YMDC forum has unfortunately debunked this idea:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/570089.page

You'd have to deploy at you line is all

I try to avoid the YMDC part of the forum if at all possible.

In a casual game I would just ask my opponent. (remember alot of tournies do allow this so I take that to be RAI rather than RAW which is always better in a casual game)

Very true, but RAI or RAW both broken my Avenger strike Fighter has a Shield of Faith, because it's flown by Sisters...

Imperial guards pilots? i wouldn't even trust them with my Rhinos

I'd probably put it in the same boat: If it gets challenged as "unfair" and in tournies where people go "not allowed", i guess both can be dropped =D


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I feel like it should be 5Pts more too =P

 BlackTalos wrote:

Imperial guards pilots? i wouldn't even trust them with my Rhinos

Well technically they'd be Imperial Navy pilots, but I still wouldn't trust 'em!

DoW

So I am finding that my best approach to my sisters against the more shooty armies is to just charge in gung ho with immolators protecting my vengeful cargo. Tau and eldar especially.

Has anyone noticed the games against tau and eldar boil down to if you can kill off their scoring units in three turns or less? (While surviving the heavy/elite shooting...)

Yeah, basically. Alpha strike with Doms, pop down the pathfinders early and then rely on their scoring to get vaped by Heavy Flamers.

Sisters are actually pretty good against Tau.

Also, let's not drag the Infiltrate YMDC argument in here. Suffice it to say that people have different opinions on it. Check with your opponent first.

Curious question, but at 1850 for a competitive list do you sacrifice troop durability for more offensive power or the reverse? What I'm talking about is including a third dominion squad with immolator or another sister squad with rhino

toocool61 wrote:
Curious question, but at 1850 for a competitive list do you sacrifice troop durability for more offensive power or the reverse? What I'm talking about is including a third dominion squad with immolator or another sister squad with rhino

why not go 5 sisters with meltagun in an immo, not as good as domi's I know but scoring.

toocool61 wrote:
Curious question, but at 1850 for a competitive list do you sacrifice troop durability for more offensive power or the reverse? What I'm talking about is including a third dominion squad with immolator or another sister squad with rhino

You know....I started out thinking I needed larger squads as well. Like foot sister list.

What I have found out time and time again the following:
1. A 5 person squad with a flame throwers and some kind of combi or plasma is a TON of firepower with bs4 for the points you pay.
2. Immolators are amazing with multi meltas. Move 12 snap fire with a reroll is not a bad way to spend two turns when you can get to objectives first.
3. Sisters in large squads are point for point one of the best backline/midfield holders. 5++ with Uriah and sooo much overwatch. Remember you can pop a faith at the beginning of the opponent assault phase to get preferred enemy. :-)
4. Dominions are your best friend. Especially with four meltas, a storm bolter or combi, and twin linked heavy flamers on an immolator.
5. That 6++ will go off eventually and when it does your opponent won't think it is worthless anymore.

The best 6++ is the re-rollable one on seraphim =P

The last time someone mocked the 6++ he felt the Emperor's Wrath as I saved 2 penetrating hits on an Exorcist..

It's random, but glorious when it happens.

I saved 3 Thunder Hammer Strikes on an Exorcist then killed the four Terminators with the missiles from the same Exorcist!

The Emperor Protects

Fun fact!
According to the epub version of the AS codex, in the reference section Exorcists are:
T 13 with 11 Wounds and fight at I 10!
An oversight (who woulda thought...) I know but still funny to think about.

Thats funny - just checked and yep they also have a 3+ armour save

And so do penitent engines... suddenly, they just got way better.

 McNinja wrote:
And so do penitent engines... suddenly, they just got way better.

Yup, never knew they were that good. Do you think we could pass it out as "Legal"? =D

I had my Excorcist destroy 2 wraiths that were gunning for my command squad. One wraith was left and the heavy bolter in my CS snap fired and killed the remaining wraith. It was the Emperor's Will.

Also, statistically I should have had the +6 save me at some time. Its only a one in 6 chance, right? For me its a 1 in 100 chance.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 McNinja wrote:
And so do penitent engines... suddenly, they just got way better.

Yup, never knew they were that good. Do you think we could pass it out as "Legal"? =D

Oh geez. that would be amazing.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I had my Excorcist destroy 2 wraiths that were gunning for my command squad. One wraith was left and the heavy bolter in my CS snap fired and killed the remaining wraith. It was the Emperor's Will.

Also, statistically I should have had the +6 save me at some time. Its only a one in 6 chance, right? For me its a 1 in 100 chance.

Have you read the Wiki article?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/That%27s_How_I_Roll_-_A_Scientific_Analysis_of_Dice

Might be relevant =p

 McNinja wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

 McNinja wrote:
And so do penitent engines... suddenly, they just got way better.

Yup, never knew they were that good. Do you think we could pass it out as "Legal"? =D

Oh geez. that would be amazing.

Given what is considered RAW round here - quite likely

He have one guy who is a very strict rules as written person. He wasn't entertained when I showed him my codex for those entries

So I am playing Grey Knights on Thursday night and thinking of this (1850pts)

HQ
Cannoness, Rosairus, Mantle, Combi-Melta, 115pts
Coteaz, 100pts
Priest, Power Mace, 40pts

Troops
Battle Sisters (5), Flamer, Hv Flamer, Immolator, MM, 140pts
Battle Sisters (5), Flamer, Hv Flamer, Immolator, MM, 140pts
Battle Sisters (5), Flamer, Multi-Melta, Rhino, 120pts
Battle Sisters (5), 2 Melta Guns, Rhino, MM, Laud Hailer, 135pts
Battle Sisters (5), 2 Melta Guns, Immolator, MM, 145pts
3 Servitors (MM), 30pts

FA
Dominon (5), 2 Melta, Immolator, MM, Laud Hailer 150pts + Canoness
Dominon (5), 3 Melta, Immolator, MM, 150pts

FT
Ageis Defence Line with Quad Gun + Coteaz and Henchmen+ Priest,

HS
Exorcist, Storm Bolter, 130pts
Exorcist, Storm Bolter, 130pts
Exorcist, Storm Bolter, 130pts

DT Transport - reserve
Valkyrie, 100pts

Thoughts - suggestions?

Changes I would make,

Drop the valk and use the point to upgrade those rhino's to immo.

I would never run a MM on a standard sister, melta gun is 10 points cheaper and has pretty much the same range when you factor in the ability to move and shoot it.

I would give the servitors HB or plasma cannons, you already have plently of tank poppers and the extra range is good.

Drop the cannoness and take Jacobus.

take the sister squads with 2 melta's and give them to the dominions (hte melta guns) Domi's do melta so much better than BS its not funny.

Just my 2 cents, (or 5 or 6 but yeh play what you want to play)

 Mythantor wrote:
Changes I would make,

I would never run a MM on a standard sister, melta gun is 10 points cheaper and has pretty much the same range when you factor in the ability to move and shoot it.

Have I missed an update? MM and Meltagun are the same cost in my codex...

Yeah, what he said...

I'm curious, but does the canoness have together with the command squad? Can she be deployed in another squad?

You have to have a Canoness to have a Command Squad but they are seperate units and can be combined or not as you will



Thanks Mythantor

Drop the valk and use the point to upgrade those rhino's to immo.
I would never run a MM on a standard sister, melta gun is 10 points cheaper and has pretty much the same range when you factor in the ability to move and shoot it.
I would give the servitors HB or plasma cannons, you already have plently of tank poppers and the extra range is good.
Drop the cannoness and take Jacobus.
take the sister squads with 2 melta's and give them to the dominions (hte melta guns) Domi's do melta so much better than BS its not funny

I have a painted Sisters Valk I want to try.
Melta gun / Multi-melta is same cost plus I often seem to be out of range when Transports are popped.
Def look at the servitors - thanks

Problem with multi meltas is the 'heavy' part. Bss squads tend to be mobile and snap firing sucks.

war wrote:
Problem with multi meltas is the 'heavy' part. Bss squads tend to be mobile and snap firing sucks.

True but the 12" range on a meltagun is very limiting as Mr Morden has suggested so it is a personal call on what works for your tactics. I tend to go for the meltaguns but I'm going to try running MM in my BS squads to see how that works out.

The other problem with Dominions is that they become fire-magnets as soon as they appear, whereas spreading your melta firepower among the BS squads does spread the risk - at the loss of concentrated fire of course.

Played an escalation game with my sisters. Threw 3 penitent engines with prescience at a lord of skulls and dropped it to 2 hull points in one round of CC before the flying daemon prince swooped in and prevented my remaining engine from finishing him off. Good times.

dadakkaest wrote:
Played an escalation game with my sisters. Threw 3 penitent engines with prescience at a lord of skulls and dropped it to 2 hull points in one round of CC before the flying daemon prince swooped in and prevented my remaining engine from finishing him off. Good times.

Hey, more details! What else?

I wonder how a full melta list would work out. Basically go with the 3 x dominion (4 melta, 1 combi-melta) in immos (HF or MM), at least 3 x BSS with 2x melta and a combi melta in immos (probably MM on them). Sprinkle in exorcists whenever possible and some random character.

In truth the only thing it would have trouble with would be against hords. Drag along a couple squads of arco-flags and that problem is likely solved.


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BSS with melta is kinda nice because you have what amounts to the twin-linked little squads that the doms use to be. Its not quite the same thing, but its nice to also re-roll those 1's to wound

war wrote:
I wonder how a full melta list would work out. Basically go with the 3 x dominion (4 melta, 1 combi-melta) in immos (HF or MM), at least 3 x BSS with 2x melta and a combi melta in immos (probably MM on them). Sprinkle in exorcists whenever possible and some random character.

In truth the only thing it would have trouble with would be against hords. Drag along a couple squads of arco-flags and that problem is likely solved.

It would be hell on wheels against armour but again you have that short range thing going on so your immolators have to survive at least one turn of shooting - assuming you go first.

Fun to try though

war wrote:
I wonder how a full melta list would work out. Basically go with the 3 x dominion (4 melta, 1 combi-melta) in immos (HF or MM), at least 3 x BSS with 2x melta and a combi melta in immos (probably MM on them). Sprinkle in exorcists whenever possible and some random character.

In truth the only thing it would have trouble with would be against hords. Drag along a couple squads of arco-flags and that problem is likely solved.


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BSS with melta is kinda nice because you have what amounts to the twin-linked little squads that the doms use to be. Its not quite the same thing, but its nice to also re-roll those 1's to wound

I do this but my army is all on foot (I have to move constantly to make it to objectives in time which Is why I don't take multi melta's if I gotta move and shoot its all gonna be assault or rapid fire weapons for me since I can't assault worth a damn anyway) so I have even more squads with meltas, I also occasionally have trouble with hordes(looking at you genestealers) if I roll my bolters badly or don't have enough sisters in position to shoot the forward elements of my opponents army. But most of the time they just get shot to pieces by concentric rings of bolter fire.

Although have melta guns everywhere is very nice I have to say. Sometimes I occasionally wish I had flamers for those times I get assaulted byt tyranids and their ilk so I can overwatch and watch them bathe in promethium but I sadly don't have any flamer models)

(Referencing the I can't assault worth a damn I never assault with sisters every time I have it always been bad for me so I was heistant but thought I could pull it off (my bad), I had a squad of sisters with 7 left and shot some genestealers to pieces, assaulted the brood lord (hah) I didn't make any wounds on him and then he got 1 wound on me, I failed my leadership test and the initiative test and got run down, it was glouriously hilarious for both my and my opponent and told him that's why I don't assault with sisters.)

I've only tried assaulting with a souped-up Canoness in a Command squad. It's OK but not great.

 MWHistorian wrote:

dadakkaest wrote:
Played an escalation game with my sisters. Threw 3 penitent engines with prescience at a lord of skulls and dropped it to 2 hull points in one round of CC before the flying daemon prince swooped in and prevented my remaining engine from finishing him off. Good times.

Hey, more details! What else?

Armies were 1999+1

AS:
2 rhinos of battle sisters w maul priest. HF, Melta, Combi-flamer. Jacobus in one of these.
1 HF immolator with 5 battle sisters, HF,melta,combi-flamer, naked priest
Exorcist
Exorcist
3 penitent engines
2 dominion squads in MM immolator, 3 melta/flamer
8 or 9 Seraphim w 2 twin hand flamers, vet ss with plasma pistol.
Coteaz
Hereticus inquisitor in power armor w melta pistol, psyker.

Chaos
Lord of skulls
Bloodthirster
Flying Daemon Prince
bloodletters, lots.

Emperor's will mission.
Rolled football field deployment, chaos got first turn and sisters failed to sieze with coteaz' 2d6.

Skully moves up the center, flies up swooping daemon prince and bloodthirster behind cover midfield on right and left board edges. bloodletters stay with objective. Skully 10" template shooting at my gets a weapon destroyed on one exorcist, shield of faith save on the other, roll random for weapon destroyed and get the stormbolter. lol.

Sisters' turn,
Coteaz fails to prescience his exorcist with an 11
Rhinos move up right board edge with penitent engines in center and exorcists left of center.
hereticus inquisitor moves up and succeeds to prescience penitent engines.
Penitent engines move up.
Exorcists shoot at bloodthirster in cover and do a whopping 2 wounds.
No line of sight on right for daemon prince. and out of range for meltas in rhinos on lord of skulls.
Penitent engines roll 11 to charge lord of skulls and with all those swings at str 10 ap1 and reroll get 4 or 5 explode results (forget which, a lot of d3's). LoS is reduced to 2 hp.
LoS swings back and 2 engines explode.

Chaos turn, bloodthirster charges exorcist and destroys it. daemon prince charges penitent engine remaining and gets it to explode before swinging. rolls for it will not die restore a hp on LoS and on bloodthirster.

sisters turn 2,

Reserves arrive, one Dominion squad on right board edge, near my other rhino convoy. no seraphim or second dom.

Rhinos move into position for flamey goodness, sisters jump out and pop faith/meltagun/bolter down the daemon prince. twin linked multi melta on immolator misses skully..

Coteaz uses misfortune on bloodthirster and prescience on exorcist which then gets off a whopping one shot. which wounds.

chaos turn 3,

Skully's massive flame template weapon wipes 9 members of jacobus' squad leaving him alone, does a hull point on a rhino, 2/5 of the dominions. Ow.

Had to stop the game there. Probably would have melta'd down skully next turn, as I still had the other 2 sisters' squads with a melta apiece and the mm immo even if the dominions didn't make it on the right board edge. And maybe stood a chance to shoot down bloodthirster with the Seraphim's deep strike + misfortune before it ate Coteaz. If the dice favored, that is.

Sounds like an epic battle. I'd love to see PE's whooping up on things more.

I've had fairly decent luck with my sisters during assault. I had a 15 sister squad assault five terminators. It took them three rounds but eventually beat them to death with their bolters.

Assaulting a Necron warrior squad didn't turn out so good though. :(

My point is, if you outnumber them or pick your targets really well, they can assault if you need them to.

Blob with warlord jacobus and maul priest is stronger than people expect. though the only time I've had that unit charged by terminators it was the minotaurs' special characters with a unit of termies out of a caestus assault ram, the sisters managed to survive for a round with their 5+ reroll save, lol.

This is the first time I've used the P engines, since it's the first time all three have been assembled in a few years, and for the purposes of escalation super heavy beatsticks, they performed well. people generally really, really want those exorcists dead once they see what they can do. So the engines have some wiggle room at least to try and get into assault.

dadakkaest wrote:
Skully 10" template shooting at my gets a weapon destroyed on one exorcist, shield of faith save on the other, roll random for weapon destroyed and get the stormbolter.

Very Nice report to read through!
Exorcists have a storm Bolter? huh?


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dadakkaest wrote:
Reserves arrive, one Dominion squad on right board edge, near my other rhino convoy. no seraphim or second dom.
Coteaz uses misfortune on bloodthirster and prescience on exorcist which then gets off a whopping one shot. which wounds.

Missing the 3+ Reserves twice and One-shot Exorcist sounds just like most of my games. LoL. >.<


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 BlackTalos wrote:
Exorcists have a storm Bolter? huh?

Vehicle Equipment list, my bad... Gotta spend those 5 points myself, HATE the weapon destroyed result atm...

I always put storm bolters on my excorcist just for such occasions.

The New repentias are nice models..

EyeOfDC wrote:
The New repentias are nice models..

New Repentia models?

 Ovion wrote:

EyeOfDC wrote:
The New repentias are nice models..

New Repentia models?

Please expand, i want to know! =P

So, i have a feeling Army lists don't fit here...
I made one in the correct forum:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/571477.page#6400288

But would like advice on tactics/ Army build.

I know you al advised against the Single Repentia squad, but i think i can make it work in synergy as counter-chargers (so mainly for CC armies)
Against Shooty armies, i'd play them with LoS blocks to get across the board etc.

What are thoughts/ideas?
Thx

Sorry for the delay in this, it was suddenly xmas and all the palaver that goes with that.

Here's my breakdown of my recent tournament (21/12/2/2013) where I got a trouncing:

'Twisted Doubles' - 900 pts per player, 3 doubles matches in a day, and the twist is that each round your partner is randomly selected.

I was running the following:

HQ - Jacobus

Troops:
9 girl BBS, F/HF in a Rhino with Loud Hailer - Jaco was in this squad
BSS - F/HF - MM Immo, Loud Hailer, , Priest with Maul (for Fearless mostly)

Fast
Doms -
6 girls
Vet Superior
4 x melta
Simulacrum Imperialis
Rhino
Loud Hailer

Heavy:
2 x Exorcists

Game 1:
The Scouring (6 objectives with random values) with Dawn of War Set up (Normal)
I was paired with an Eldar player, can't tell you exactly what he was running as not too smart on the Eldar dex. But I know he had Farseer, Singing Spear dudes, 2 troop choices, Warp Spiders and Dark Reapers(?)

We were up against Nid and Demons.Nids player had 2 Tervagons (the one's that spawn new squads of little gribblies), a flying MC of somekind which was his HQ, some dudes who didn;'t need LoS to shoot you.

They had the advantage in terms of the worth of the objectives on their side and they had turn 1. Night fighting was a go-go, so I suggested we hold back turn one, and let them get close, so we deployed defensively and then stole the initiative, which we really hadn’t planned for. I scouted my melta doms up and took a couple of wounds off a tervagon. Who got eaten on their turn, one of my MM immos got puppet mastered and weapon destroyed an Exorcist. I did try to pressure one flank and eventually killed a tervgon, but not before it had dropped off another two troop choices for the nids and then rolled the double to stop it getting more. The Edlar were getting picked apart by a Flying nid and the majority of the daemons. It was pretty bruatal all in all.

Game 2
Started looking better I was paired with a GK player who has running lots of termies and a stormraven, and we were against guard and C:SM Sally flavour. This was a really good and fun game, the Sisters carried our team for pretty much the entire game. Highlights were the SM player being over confident about winning an assault against his HQ and some assault marines (they jumped out of a rhino and I assaulted them next turn) - I gave re-rolls on armour with Jaco , we managed to kill the last 1 or 2 assault marines that were still there after we’d flamed and pistoled them in our shooting phase. I then declined with my Superior and smashed with Jaco for AP 2 (not double strength), got 2 wounds through his invul and then did the same the following turn and killed his HQ. Sadly Jaco and the remains of his squad were eventually pushed off the entral object and I couldn’t get another troop there before the end of the game. Exorcists were busy getting rid of AA for when the stormraven came – guard had 2 flakk tank things and SM had a stalker. Outflanked my doms and then failed to pop an Chimera that wasn’t even in cover…they eventually got mushed by the vets inside. GK didn’t do much through the game as it was hammer and anvil (mission was big guns) and he walked them across the table, and his SR didn’t come in until turn 4…We lost them game as we only had one objective (held by an exorcist) our second I put in the middle of the table and they pushed us off it and help both of theirs.

Final game was diagonal set up, purge the alien. I was paired with Chaos Marines, my teammate had given up at this point and we were against double Eldar…I think we only got 3 turns in before we were tabled.

So yeah, I'm now a proud owner of a wooden spoon.

Xmas has been kinder to me I’m glad to say. I’ve had a few games with my brother, and managed to table his CSM by turn 2 in one game…that was a shocker.

D

Had a good game against the Grey Knights using the list posted earlier

We rolled Purge the Alien - bad news for me as I had 20 units to his 10

He had couple of Interceptor Squads
lots of tooled up Terminator squads - three I think
10 Deathcult Assassin in a Stromraven I think with his Inquisitor
Vinidcare Assassin
Heavy weapons squad

Game began well - he hid his on table unit - very worried about my Exorcists but put the Vindicare nearby behind a building.

Turn 1
I moved a sisters squad up by Rhino, jumped out and vaped his Vinidcare which was fun, raced my dominions and a sister squad across the board towards his hidden units - probably should have held back but hey.
He teleported a Inteceptor squad over and avenged the Vinidacre

Turn 2
Moved the strike units forward and fired some snap shots at the marines - nothing done
My Valkyrie arrived and fired some shots at the hiding GK Marines
Moved some more Sister to do deal with the Intereceptors - killed a couple but not enough
All his reserves came in
Interceptors killed half the servitors and the Priest
He teleported a terminator squad in and mishaped - back into reserve, 2nd Terminator squad came in fine and blew up a exorcist.
Stromraven arrived and mindstrike missiled Corteaz which was not nice as he took 2 wounds just being hit - it fired at the Valkyrie and bounded off
Hv weapons Marines took out the Cannoness Immolator after the Interceptor squad had failed - they had teleported behind it. However they also stunned it which meant no firing from her or her 3 melta dominions next turn :(

Turn 3
Two huge firefights errupted - I killed some interceptors in the centre -- leaving one alive and shot down three Terminators, most of my multimeltas - missed :( 3 Exorcist missiles bounced off the terminators
He responded and pretty much won it that turn
last mindstrikes killed Corteaz, although his servitor ignored 6 hits behind the Ageis - very amusing
Lost another exorcist, and the Inerceptors shot down the Sisters squad defending the ageis, the terminators charged the ther nearby squad and although loosing one of the two to overwatch killed the rest of the unit.
Death Cult Assassins charged two sisters squads and slaughtered both - lossing a couple in overwatch

Turn 4 - how many 5 up saves can you make
Game lost but hoped to do some serious killing with what I had left - but nope - the dice hated me and loved him this turn as I killed 4 models
Fired a TL Multi melta, meltagun, 3 Exorcist missiles and 2 stormbolters at a teminator - nothing
Fired a TL MM, 4 melta guns (one the cannoness) and some bolter fire at 3 other terminators - killed one
Fired a Heavy flamer and 1 flamer at Death cultists - killed 3 after something like 8 wounds, on a 5+ save
Fired some other stuff all misssed or bounced off...................
He moped up in his turn and we called it

Lost something like 15 - 2 in VP

Much fun - although the last turn got pretty frustrating
Lots to think on - got to finally use my Sisters painted Vlak but it was not actually much good (as I had been told ),
Corteaz did not do anything just died to missiles - good placement by him and wrong army facing I think
Must remember Krak Grenades
Stunning transports is very annoying.

Crossposted here, since most of you guys are heavier AS players

I'm returning to the hobby after an extremely long absence. I'm essentially re-learning everything and working on tactics now. I dug out my old SoB army I had collected years ago and started getting them ready - want something different to play. List the models I have:

26 sisters w/ bolters
3 sisters w/ meltas
1 sister w/ flamer
2 sisters w/ standards + bolters
2 sisters with bolter + swords (are these superiors?)
1 canoness (a small piece is missing - between her forearm and icon she holds, so I converted her to holding a baner in a pissed off fashion) and combi melta/bolter IIRC
11 seraphim w/ pistols
3 heavy metlas
1 heavy bolter
1 heavy flamer
1 Immolator (old school one)
1 Saint Celestine, as soon as I finish putting her together w/ the wings conversion
1 priest - I think. Mohawk, robes - club, shotgun in one hand?
1 creepy cherub looking thing holding books. Might be unrelated, BA maybe?

I only have the single Immolator and no other tanks. I now have the AS codex ebook (which is a PITA to flip through honestly).

Now tactics wise, I'm hearing lots of "get them to the fight" style of play using the transports. What else should a newer player focus on, aside from just practicing the basics of positioning over and over

Based on what you have, I would work out a foot list.

You are in dire need of some vehicles to do anything else.

Basically, Celestine, a big blob of sisters for holding center and then a bunch of support units.

Things you'll want to pick up:
- Either more Heavy Bolters for Rets or get some exorcists
- More Immolators or maybe Penitent Engines (it pains me to say this, but might be cheaper than going to mech)
- 4 more Priests and a Jacobus.

the Cherub is good for an objective marker but doesn't have a use in this list right now.

Things to practice?
- The 12-24" dance. Staying in your rapid fire range and out of their assault range.

I'd get at least 2 exorcists and more rhinos/immolaters.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I'd get at least 2 exorcists and more rhinos/immolaters.

Yeah, it really depends on whether you want to stay foot or go mech.

I recommend mixed mech at the least.

My 'wish-list' for you would be:
2 Exorcists
Bastion or Firestorm Redoubt
4-6 Immolators
4 Priests
Jacobus
More meltas, flamers, and Heavy Bolters

You could certainly stay foot and do it quite differently though.

Thanks for the info gents! On a side note - is there anywhere (other than GW directly) to pick up AS stuff? I scoured greedbay but didn't find much pickins'

ncshooter426 wrote:
Thanks for the info gents! On a side note - is there anywhere (other than GW directly) to pick up AS stuff? I scoured greedbay but didn't find much pickins'

There are three problems with buying sisters:
first of all: new models are emperor-damned expensive.
secondly: second-hand sisters aren't readily available, unless you either want to buy whole armies or pay for the shipping of individual models.
thirdly: there are as good as no alternative models for sisters, as the 'space warrior nun' concept is way too specific for most companies. You might find one or two, but no army-building stuff.

Sisters are simply really expensive to play unless you have a friend who just happens to want to get rid of his...

 pretre wrote:
Things to practice?
- The 12-24" dance. Staying in your rapid fire range and out of their assault range.

Trying to get that, but still pretty average, could you expand? or PM if it doesn't fit here?

ncshooter426 wrote:
Thanks for the info gents! On a side note - is there anywhere (other than GW directly) to pick up AS stuff? I scoured greedbay but didn't find much pickins'

Not to toot my own horn, but I'm selling a bunch: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/504464.page


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 BlackTalos wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Things to practice?
- The 12-24" dance. Staying in your rapid fire range and out of their assault range.

Trying to get that, but still pretty average, could you expand? or PM if it doesn't fit here?

Basically the idea is to stay close to the enemy, where we excel without getting assaulted. So you need to be able to maintain your ranges (23.75 and 11.75 is a nice place to be).

Brother Michael wrote:
secondly: second-hand sisters aren't readily available, unless you either want to buy whole armies or pay for the shipping of individual models.

Don't even look on GreedBay, they often Bid at higher than retail price (in the UK anyway...) but looking at "entire armies" there can be worthwhile. Personally got about £200 army for £80, so unless a set as such comes up, don't bother.

Also: GW is trying to sell all their metal AS stock so that they can move on to plastic sisters (Rumor: didn't get it from me) so as much as i'd recommend: Go buy some now (to use up stock). With enough patience they might come out... Probably not tomorrow though...


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 pretre wrote:
So you need to be able to maintain your ranges (23.75 and 11.75 is a nice place to be).

Yeah i get that, but 11.75 means you most certainly get charged next turn =P
Unless you meant moving up to that in your phase to get rapid fire & flamers in before they do?

 BlackTalos wrote:
Also: GW is trying to sell all their metal AS stock so that they can move on to plastic sisters (Rumor: didn't get it from me) so as much as i'd recommend: Go buy some now (to use up stock). With enough patience they might come out... Probably not tomorrow though...

HA! Good one. If only I hadn't heard the same thing for the last 10 years. lol

Yeah i get that, but 11.75 means you most certainly get charged next turn =P
Unless you meant moving up to that in your phase to get rapid fire & flamers in before they do?

Well, the corollary is 'she who bails, fails'. I.e. Never get out of your transport. If you do, you need to kill whatever is going to charge you. Sisters are not an easy army to play, I'll give you that.

Of course, this changed a lot with the Priest-Blob. Now you want to be in assault for as much of the game as possible with that unit.

My tactic is to measure about 18.5 so that they can't charge you but your next turn is moved up to 6-7" and you can Flame them quite nicely...


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Oh and i'm playing "non-meched" sisters =O

all 3 troop units without transports ">.>


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 pretre wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
Also: GW is trying to sell all their metal AS stock so that they can move on to plastic sisters (Rumor: didn't get it from me) so as much as i'd recommend: Go buy some now (to use up stock). With enough patience they might come out... Probably not tomorrow though...

HA! Good one. If only I hadn't heard the same thing for the last 10 years. lol

Someone's seen some first-hand, if they are to be believed.... pretty big metal stock to exhaust though...

 BlackTalos wrote:

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 pretre wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
Also: GW is trying to sell all their metal AS stock so that they can move on to plastic sisters (Rumor: didn't get it from me) so as much as i'd recommend: Go buy some now (to use up stock). With enough patience they might come out... Probably not tomorrow though...

HA! Good one. If only I hadn't heard the same thing for the last 10 years. lol

Someone's seen some first-hand, if they are to be believed.... pretty big metal stock to exhaust though...

I would expect that GW holds a small stock of metal figures and just produces them as necessary. Forgive me for doubting your source but as Pretre says, we've heard all of this before.

We live in hope though

Brother Michael wrote:

ncshooter426 wrote:
Thanks for the info gents! On a side note - is there anywhere (other than GW directly) to pick up AS stuff? I scoured greedbay but didn't find much pickins'

There are three problems with buying sisters:
first of all: new models are emperor-damned expensive.
secondly: second-hand sisters aren't readily available, unless you either want to buy whole armies or pay for the shipping of individual models.
thirdly: there are as good as no alternative models for sisters, as the 'space warrior nun' concept is way too specific for most companies. You might find one or two, but no army-building stuff.

Sisters are simply really expensive to play unless you have a friend who just happens to want to get rid of his...

Sadly, when I've found Sisters unless you're buying in bulk (see - a whole army), it's either much the same price or MORE than buying new from Games Workshop. O-o

THOUGH, if someone (or a group of someones) wanted to get together say... £25,000 (£19,000 for the Haptic Pen, £1000 for the various hardware upgrades and equipment I need and about £5000 to live on for the 6-12 months it'd take to do the work) I'd have enough money to purchase the tools that would let me sculpt, print and cast an army of something suitable for counts-as.

That's not a bad deal tbh.
92 Items designed, compiled into sprues, printed to masters and molds made at roughly £272 each (58 Weapons and pieces of Gear, 24 Infantry models, 6 Vehicles and 4 vehicle upgrades.)
Then whoever paid would get an armies worth of models, then there'd be sensibly priced models available!

(I somehow doubt it'll happen, but PM me if you're crazy enough to do it. It'll likely be a stretch goal on my Kickstarter too if no ones done it before I get it set up.)

It is unsafe to play foot sisters in my area, heldrakes end them and they have poor anti - air. I can get by with mech sisters pretty well, though. ymmv.

Even if you aren't doing the priest powerblob, take jacobus and as many priests as you have troops. 1 per immolator with 2 specials and a combi does the trick nicely. Fearless if almost essential for 5 power armored t3 models!

As was said earlier, your mantra for mech sisters is "she who bails fails." Stay in that immolator until you HAVE to get out. Know that when you do get out, it is very unlikely that you will survive another turn.

Foot sisters are actually better against helldrakes than foot marines are. 6++ and all.

I've been running roughly this for the passed few games. Been working out.

Coatez
Ordo Hereticus, Liber word-I-can't-spell-right-now
Cannoness, melta pistol

5DCA, 2 Priests W/ P. Maul, 2 Crusaders, LRC

5 BSS, Combi Plasma, Flamer, Heavy flamer, MM IMMO
5 BSS, Combi Plasma, Flamer, Heavy flamer, MM IMMO
5 BSS, Combi Plasma, Flamer, Heavy flamer, MM IMMO

5 Doms, Combi flamer, 4X Melta, Repressor
5 Doms, Combi flamer, 4X Melta, Repressor

Exorcist, SB
Exoricst, SB
Avenger (ASSEMBLE) strike fighter (A finer aircraft was never invented in my opinion)

The alternates are dropping some stuff to get a big horde of foot sisters with Coatz and Uriah so they can form a buddy cop movie together
or bring 12 henchmen with basic weapons and a few flamers to represent old school Redemptionists on foot so I can look like the old Chapter approved codex. Problem with that one is that Uriah is wasted in the henchmen squad so I drop him for a Cannoness


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The best part about the above list is the 2 scouting Repressors (AV 13) filled with Death and a scouting Land raider (AV 14) filled with a different, more personal kind of Death. The kind of death that gets to know you first.

It usually maxes out on target saturation so people don't know what to hit. The LRC usually lives and is able to smash anything it gets to. Use the Repressor for cover and they don't get shot back.

 Celtic Strike wrote:

.... with Coteaz and Uriah so they can form a buddy cop movie together....

One is a crazy, hateful, murderous old man with a shotgun. The other is a crazy, hateful, murderous old man with... some kind of fething eagle thing. Together, they fight crime!

Liber word-I-can't-spell-right-now

COTEAZ: Uriah, man, get me my book.
JACOBUS: Ok, Torqster dude! Uh, which book?
COTEAZ: The Liber whatever.
JACOBUS: Which Liber? You got, like, a fethload of Libers in here.
COTEAZ: I don't remember what it's called! The big one bound in human skin with all the screaming demon faces and stuff on it.
JACOBUS: Oh, like that narrows it down.

Jacobus: The one with the skulls on it!


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One is played by Tommy Lee Jones, the other is played by Clint Eastwood

So would you guys recommend purchasing/converting an Avenger Strike Fighter?

 Celtic Strike wrote:
One is played by Tommy Lee Jones, the other is played by Clint Eastwood

Ha! Which one is which?

 Ovion wrote:

Brother Michael wrote:

ncshooter426 wrote:
Thanks for the info gents! On a side note - is there anywhere (other than GW directly) to pick up AS stuff? I scoured greedbay but didn't find much pickins'

There are three problems with buying sisters:
first of all: new models are emperor-damned expensive.
secondly: second-hand sisters aren't readily available, unless you either want to buy whole armies or pay for the shipping of individual models.
thirdly: there are as good as no alternative models for sisters, as the 'space warrior nun' concept is way too specific for most companies. You might find one or two, but no army-building stuff.

Sisters are simply really expensive to play unless you have a friend who just happens to want to get rid of his...

Sadly, when I've found Sisters unless you're buying in bulk (see - a whole army), it's either much the same price or MORE than buying new from Games Workshop. O-o

THOUGH, if someone (or a group of someones) wanted to get together say... £25,000 (£19,000 for the Haptic Pen, £1000 for the various hardware upgrades and equipment I need and about £5000 to live on for the 6-12 months it'd take to do the work) I'd have enough money to purchase the tools that would let me sculpt, print and cast an army of something suitable for counts-as.

That's not a bad deal tbh.
92 Items designed, compiled into sprues, printed to masters and molds made at roughly £272 each (58 Weapons and pieces of Gear, 24 Infantry models, 6 Vehicles and 4 vehicle upgrades.)
Then whoever paid would get an armies worth of models, then there'd be sensibly priced models available!

(I somehow doubt it'll happen, but PM me if you're crazy enough to do it. It'll likely be a stretch goal on my Kickstarter too if no ones done it before I get it set up.)

I was about to say kickstarter, lol

Make sure you make a "French Maiden of Space" Kickstarter =P

I am quite sure the Fleur-de-Lis is not copyrighted...


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 OutlawBandit wrote:
So would you guys recommend purchasing/converting an Avenger Strike Fighter?

Yes! One of the only solutions for sisters V MEQ (worth the points)

In my games it clears 1 ten-man Squad a turn and usually lives for quite a few turn (1-2 turns to focus their AA with exorcists/ Command Squad and you're good to go)



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Also relevant to "Plastic sisters" & Alternatives, have people seen These

Only 1 forum thread about IT, and quite recent too...

If anyone can share more info about them i'm interested... They look really good, even if the price is a bit high...
Looking for the guy's site/ store/ whatevs =D

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

Brother Michael wrote:

ncshooter426 wrote:

Spoiler:

Thanks for the info gents! On a side note - is there anywhere (other than GW directly) to pick up AS stuff? I scoured greedbay but didn't find much pickins'

Spoiler:

There are three problems with buying sisters:
first of all: new models are emperor-damned expensive.
secondly: second-hand sisters aren't readily available, unless you either want to buy whole armies or pay for the shipping of individual models.
thirdly: there are as good as no alternative models for sisters, as the 'space warrior nun' concept is way too specific for most companies. You might find one or two, but no army-building stuff.

Sisters are simply really expensive to play unless you have a friend who just happens to want to get rid of his...

Spoiler:

Sadly, when I've found Sisters unless you're buying in bulk (see - a whole army), it's either much the same price or MORE than buying new from Games Workshop. O-o

THOUGH, if someone (or a group of someones) wanted to get together say... £25,000 (£19,000 for the Haptic Pen, £1000 for the various hardware upgrades and equipment I need and about £5000 to live on for the 6-12 months it'd take to do the work) I'd have enough money to purchase the tools that would let me sculpt, print and cast an army of something suitable for counts-as.

That's not a bad deal tbh.
92 Items designed, compiled into sprues, printed to masters and molds made at roughly £272 each (58 Weapons and pieces of Gear, 24 Infantry models, 6 Vehicles and 4 vehicle upgrades.)
Then whoever paid would get an armies worth of models, then there'd be sensibly priced models available!

(I somehow doubt it'll happen, but PM me if you're crazy enough to do it. It'll likely be a stretch goal on my Kickstarter too if no ones done it before I get it set up.)

I was about to say kickstarter, lol

Make sure you make a "French Maiden of Space" Kickstarter =P

I am quite sure the Fleur-de-Lis is not copyrighted...

Unfortunately, I don't think a £25,000 kickstarter to do them will be best to start... but I'll include it as an option fully expecting no one to do it, and maybe I'll make a dedicated Kickstarter to making particular races later on.

I've decided that the overbearing group for my buildings, weapons and such is the Hierarchs.
So the Hierarch Force Field Generator and so on.

The Fleur De Lis based stuff will be the Knights Chevalier Femme, an arm of the Hierarch military.

 OutlawBandit wrote:
So would you guys recommend purchasing/converting an Avenger Strike Fighter?

Convert from Dark Angels flyer. I did it!


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 Ovion wrote:
Sadly, when I've found Sisters unless you're buying in bulk (see - a whole army), it's either much the same price or MORE than buying new from Games Workshop. O-o

Really? I've never paid that much. And I sell the ones I have in the swap shop for 60% of retail. Sisters are a great secondary market.

Has anyone else had problems with their Sisters having their transports having suffered a stunned result screwing up their next turns shooting?

 Mr Morden wrote:
Has anyone else had problems with their Sisters having their transports having suffered a stunned result screwing up their next turns shooting?

Of course, although it is much less likely nowadays than it used to be. Most of the time they have to deal with exploded vehicles. I find that the protection and mobility outweighs the snap shots most of the time.

Yeah but you don't even get snap shots - you can't fire at all?

Oh yeah, there is that. It comes up so seldomly for me, I forgot.

Really - that's interesting - I tend to get it reasonably often as when you roll for a number of penetrating hits they tend to come up! Ah well - I love my Sisters but luck seems to escape me when I use them!

Yeah, I realize this is house ruley, but we ignore the lesser results if it wrecks or explodes generally. Less bookkeeping.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, I realize this is house ruley, but we ignore the lesser results if it wrecks or explodes generally. Less bookkeeping.

We sometimes used to do that but on recently on reading the rule that what happens to the vehicle affects the passengers I sort of felt you had I had to ask the opponent to roll all of them.................I don't mind the wrecked or explodes as can act normally with the survivors - ironically the stunned result is actually in my opinion much worse as you can only move......

Yeah. Although pinning / Death by explosion suck too.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah. Although pinning / Death by explosion suck too.

hmm at least with explosions you get to choose who dies in a squad (I think)

Yeah, but T3 can take a lot of wounds from explosions. I've had some nasty results there.

pretre wrote:

 Ovion wrote:
Sadly, when I've found Sisters unless you're buying in bulk (see - a whole army), it's either much the same price or MORE than buying new from Games Workshop. O-o

Really? I've never paid that much. And I sell the ones I have in the swap shop for 60% of retail. Sisters are a great secondary market.

When I was looking on ebay last, you got BSS sort of cheaper, but none of the celestine / repentia / penitent engines / seraphim I saw were cheaper than buying new from GW (especially once you include postage), and bought new I wouldn't have to strip the paint.

Well, that's ebay for you.

I would recommend local forums, Dakka's Swap Shop and Bartertown. My threads in particular.

Sadly you are across the pond so can;t really get them from you ;(

However have had too small well painted sisters armies off Ebay -plus lots of odds and ends - never paid over retail.

True. That's what you get for not living in the US.

Isn't it a bit cold over there

 Mr Morden wrote:
Isn't it a bit cold over there

Not where I am. It's a balmy 45 and rainy right now. Proper British weather from what I understand.

 pretre wrote:
True. That's what you get for not living in the US.

Yeah, but the bonus is you're not living in the US.

It's a great country to be upper-middle-class and healthy. It's a lousy country to be poor, and a terrible country to be poor and sick. I'm a proud American patriot but that doesn't make me blind.

Sorry, off topic, but I had to raise the flag for a moment there.

So the local store is running some new-player (and old) 500pt list matches coming up. Based on what I already own, I was thinking of just using a foot-heavy build. Any recommendations? Just blob sisters, or throw in a mix of fast attack for disruption?

One thing I was unclear of in the codex is the Banner. Is it restricted to only the celestian in a command squad, or just celestians in a std. celestian squad? It only mentions it under the command squad, but in some threads I've read celestians taking them out (without a cannoness).

Is it normal FOC? That might affect your choices

 Mr Morden wrote:
Is it normal FOC? That might affect your choices

"Games Rules
- Force Organization must be followed (Page 109)"

At 500, Celestine, 2 Sisters Squads and maybe some Rets or Seraphim.

Being you're limited to this:

(I don't know if I needed to post the FoC, but I'm gonna use it at every oppurtunity to justify the effort in making it )
At 500pts, you still need the 2 squads of BSS.

This is a LOT less restrictive than it used to be, being min185pts (Canoness, 2x5 Sisters) dedicated to the requirement than the previous 315.

The other thing to bear in mind, is people can (and quite possibly will), fit 1-2 heavy tanks, or 3-5 light vehicels in 500pts, or even a flyer.
Be sure to be prepared for this. (You could potentially fit a Land Raider in to 500pts... and honestly, I'm the sort who might just for giggles.)

For example, 2 Venoms, 2x5 Warriors, 2x Ravagers with Flickerfields and a Haemonculi.
Or 2x3 Wracks, 2x Venoms, a Ravager and a Razorwing flyer.
Or say, 2x6 Firewarrior, Ethearal, Hammerhead and Sniper Drones.
Or 2 Vindicators.

Hilariously, you can also manage a small allied list for giggles.

But I'd possibly say Jacobus with some Rets for your heavy support, the mandatory 2 BSS (possibly with Heavy Bolters, but that's me).
Then some Seraphim for a bit of fast pressure (maybe actually with melta pistols to dealwith armour?)

He said Avengers ASSEMBLE!

Awesome. Just so much fun to say.

 pretre wrote:

 OutlawBandit wrote:
So would you guys recommend purchasing/converting an Avenger Strike Fighter?

Convert from Dark Angels flyer. I did it!

Yeah, same here

 Celtic Strike wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 OutlawBandit wrote:
So would you guys recommend purchasing/converting an Avenger Strike Fighter?

Convert from Dark Angels flyer. I did it!

Yeah, same here

I was planning on... but now I'm probably just going to design one...

Curious: Why are you guys using the DA ship vs. the IG one? They both look slick when converted - but I was unsure if there is an advantage in one over the other.

The Dark Angels fighter is fairly similar dimensions wise, and is sort of similar silhouette.
The IG Vendetta is quite differently shaped and sized.

Regarding Ovion's awesome FOC chart of awesome awesomeness:

 Ovion wrote:

Spoiler:

(I don't know if I needed to post the FoC, but I'm gonna use it at every oppurtunity to justify the effort in making it )

So double FOC allows you to take, not only two Allied Detachments, but also two Fortifications and two Lords of War? Yet only one Inquisitorial detachment?

My head hurts slightly but the idea of two BS4 Sororitas superheavies operating in tandem pleases me....

Yeah, the Inquisitorial is a special seperate detachment.
However, if you take it as the Primary, you can take it twice I believe.

The DA fighter is cheaper than the forge world one. They look similar but the price is the main one.

 SisterSydney wrote:
I It's a lousy country to be poor, and a terrible country to be poor and sick.

It's a middling country to be poor and sick in, no one dies from lack of urgent care. People going to the hospital and not paying the bill was the real reason for Obamacare and the medicare expansion, because it was hitting middle class and wealthy people in the pockets as the hospitals tried to recoup their loss from the people who showed up broke and then skipped town on the bill and laughed at the debt collectors. The whole thing was the Heritage Foundation's idea to begin with. And if you think the U.S. is poor, then you haven't seen how people's suffering is greeted with utter indifference by most of the world, which in general does not value human life like the western nations do. Now back to your regularly scheduled wargaming chat.

My Avenger is now assembled! got to get to painting this weekend! All I need now to complete my sororitas collection are Repentia, Arcos and a Repressor.

 Celtic Strike wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 OutlawBandit wrote:
So would you guys recommend purchasing/converting an Avenger Strike Fighter?

Convert from Dark Angels flyer. I did it!

Yeah, same here

I'd actually recommend Valkyrie instead:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/464528.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-6029-33809_Avenger%20Conversion.html

Personally find them closer to the original =P

Although I own an actual avenger and i'd say none really compare, but heyho, it IS expensive... Valkyrie is closest IMO...



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 BlackTalos wrote:

Also relevant to "Plastic sisters" & Alternatives, have people seen These

Only 1 forum thread about IT, and quite recent too...

If anyone can share more info about them i'm interested... They look really good, even if the price is a bit high...
Looking for the guy's site/ store/ whatevs =D

Oh and this, anyone?

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Celtic Strike wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 OutlawBandit wrote:
So would you guys recommend purchasing/converting an Avenger Strike Fighter?

Convert from Dark Angels flyer. I did it!

Yeah, same here

I'd actually recommend Valkyrie instead:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/464528.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-6029-33809_Avenger%20Conversion.html

Personally find them closer to the original =P

Although I own an actual avenger and i'd say none really compare, but heyho, it IS expensive... Valkyrie is closest IMO...

Except it isn't.
Being he basically carved it up, then built at least half of it out of plasticard to get that shape.
It's more of a scratchuild than a kitbash.

The strike fighter, while not looking as good as a build like that, is FAR easier to get it reasoonably close.

It also comes with pretty spot on weaponry, covering the complete basic loadout and one of the options:
Avenger Strike Fighter Options are:
Comes with:
Avenger Bolt Cannon, Two Lascannons, Heavy Stubber,
May add one of:
2 different pairs of Missiles, Two Autocannon, Two Multi-Lasers, 6 Bombs, 2 Missile Launchers

Avenger Strike Fighter:
Nephilim Kit has:
Two Heavy Bolters, Two Lascannons, 6 Missiles, Avenger Mega Bolter, Two Hurricane Bolters, Cannon

So you're only really shy the Heavy Stubber, 2 pairs of missiles, bombs, autocannon and multilasers.

As opposed to the Vendetta Kit having:
2 Lascannon, 2 Heavy Bolter, 2 Missile Pods, 2 Missiles

So you'd need the Mega Bolter / Bolt Cannon, Heavy Stubber, 1x2 Missile Variant, Two Autocannons, Two Multi-Lasers, 6 Bombs to cover all the options.
And a TON more work to get it to the size / profile of the Avenger.

dadakkaest wrote:

 SisterSydney wrote:
I It's a lousy country to be poor, and a terrible country to be poor and sick.

It's a middling country to be poor and sick in, no one dies from lack of urgent care

Point taken. Poor & sick in Burundi is much worse than poor & sick in the US.

Or in the Imperium, for that matter. Yay making my save against Off Topic!

Also Valkyrie is awesome.

Also I want Vultures as a fast attack option for Sororitas. Most of the Imperial Navy air support in Aeronautica is reserved for the Imperial Guard -- why? Okay, maybe the Navy doesn't like us, but the Ecclesiarchy has its own battle fleet for crying out loud.

Also also, I'm eager for comment on my lasted homebrew thread: Canoness Awesomeness, Palatine Standard-Bearers, Alternative Acts of Faith, Choristers, & Relics. I've written up lots of new wargear for the Canoness, including special relics for each of the six Major Orders Militant, plus wargear granting squads alternative AOF, 6th ed. Palatines, and an alternative to priests, Sisters Chorister who sign War Hymns.
I'm not just not pimpin' my gak here, I really want people to tell me where I've fethed up & what I should rewrite.

What I find funny, is in that thread people are saying it would be nice if the had access to the Aquilla Lander and Arvus Lighter.

But they do, both are listed as available to Sisters.
'course the Aquilla model isn't really available anymore.

Thanks everyone for the feedback (and for the thread - I've read all of it LOL). More fluffy questions...

- For a foot slogging horde, would it make sense use a cannoness w/ command squad, outfit her w/ mantel, one celestian w/ banner? Keeping the "guard" standard sisters squad (w/ priest augments) close for the 12" bubble of +1 attacks and re-rolls? Or simply ditch the idea of the points sink that is cannoness upgrading and just go strait celestia/jacobus (I only own celestia).

Currently I lack any real mech, but have lots of girls. That will likely change soon, but I've got to work with what I've got I fully expect to lose a ton over the next month or so...but it's a learning curve. I've always found that losing with something inherently underpowered is fine, but winning with it is far more rewarding.

Jacobus or Celestine is just flat out better for foot than a canoness.

BlackTalos wrote:

Also relevant to "Plastic sisters" & Alternatives, have people seen These

Only 1 forum thread about IT, and quite recent too...

If anyone can share more info about them i'm interested... They look really good, even if the price is a bit high...
Looking for the guy's site/ store/ whatevs =D

Holy crud. Anyone get one?

 pretre wrote:
Jacobus or Celestine is just flat out better for foot than a canoness.

I just noticed that priests also get access to relics (doh! totally missed that...mmmmm...litanies) so if I wanted to roll the banner for the +1, I could still get it w/o the full command squad sink.

Jacobus on paper looks awesome though, just wish I had a model to use him with.

The banner is not available to priests, iirc.

Also, just find any model with a banner and give him/her a shotgun!

Conversions are fun.

 pretre wrote:
The banner is not available to priests, iirc.

Also, just find any model with a banner and give him/her a shotgun!

Conversions are fun.

I love conversions That's half the reason I even mess w/ miniatures - to make something unique out of them. I'm unsure how Now, on who can take the banner... I think you are correct. This stupid layout of this ebook is driving me nuts. The list where all relics are described is in one spot, the points list is in another and does have specific caveats on who can take what (cannoness/priest). However, I noticed that the banner is *missing* from this section of the points. It only shows up under the celestian option in a command squad.... so yeah, I guess it is only available for that one unit. Which sucks... really sucks :(

ncshooter426 wrote:I just noticed that priests also get access to relics (doh! totally missed that...mmmmm...litanies) so if I wanted to roll the banner for the +1, I could still get it w/o the full command squad sink.

pretre wrote:The banner is not available to priests, iirc.

Yeah. just checked the codex on my iPhone: The Blessed Standard and Sacred Banner are only available to the Sororitas Command Squad (or, coughcough, to [shameless self-promotion]my homebrewed Palatine[/shameless self-promotion], while Jacobus's Banner of Sanctity is uniquely his.

 pretre wrote:
Jacobus or Celestine is just flat out better for foot than a canoness.

BlackTalos wrote:

Also relevant to "Plastic sisters" & Alternatives, have people seen These

Only 1 forum thread about IT, and quite recent too...

If anyone can share more info about them i'm interested... They look really good, even if the price is a bit high...
Looking for the guy's site/ store/ whatevs =D

Holy crud. Anyone get one?

Too much for me personally, but i'll be slightly patient and maybe find the actual guy's website one day, if it goes more mainstream...

Or if anyone's heard of it? =P


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 Ovion wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Celtic Strike wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 OutlawBandit wrote:
So would you guys recommend purchasing/converting an Avenger Strike Fighter?

Convert from Dark Angels flyer. I did it!

Yeah, same here

I'd actually recommend Valkyrie instead:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/464528.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-6029-33809_Avenger%20Conversion.html

Personally find them closer to the original =P

Although I own an actual avenger and i'd say none really compare, but heyho, it IS expensive... Valkyrie is closest IMO...

Except it isn't.
Being he basically carved it up, then built at least half of it out of plasticard to get that shape.
It's more of a scratchuild than a kitbash.

The strike fighter, while not looking as good as a build like that, is FAR easier to get it reasoonably close.

It also comes with pretty spot on weaponry, covering the complete basic loadout and one of the options:
Avenger Strike Fighter Options are:
Comes with:
Avenger Bolt Cannon, Two Lascannons, Heavy Stubber,
May add one of:
2 different pairs of Missiles, Two Autocannon, Two Multi-Lasers, 6 Bombs, 2 Missile Launchers

Avenger Strike Fighter:
Nephilim Kit has:
Two Heavy Bolters, Two Lascannons, 6 Missiles, Avenger Mega Bolter, Two Hurricane Bolters, Cannon

So you're only really shy the Heavy Stubber, 2 pairs of missiles, bombs, autocannon and multilasers.

As opposed to the Vendetta Kit having:
2 Lascannon, 2 Heavy Bolter, 2 Missile Pods, 2 Missiles

So you'd need the Mega Bolter / Bolt Cannon, Heavy Stubber, 1x2 Missile Variant, Two Autocannons, Two Multi-Lasers, 6 Bombs to cover all the options.
And a TON more work to get it to the size / profile of the Avenger.

It's all about the engines though =P
And the overall plane shape is closer on the Valkyrie, but yeah, you have to source the weapons... although in terms of load-out, the avenger is quite nice as it is... maybe the missile pods, but 4 Weapons per turn only and you've got 3...

 BlackTalos wrote:
If anyone can share more info about them i'm interested... They look really good, even if the price is a bit high...
Looking for the guy's site/ store/ whatevs =D

I just bought one of each. When they arrive I will give some details on it (and perhaps take some pictures).

Hardest thing so far about sisters? Figuring out a paint scheme The models are so "busy" with fine detail, I'm afraid of them looking muddled if I get the color combos wrong.

Spinning up a few this weekend in different layouts, with one being victorious...the others sentenced to repentance in the chemical baths.

I like the stock paint schemes for the orders. I went Bloody Rose and it looks great.

I went for Order of Our Martyred Lady.
But Caliban green instead of red :p


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 Necrosis wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
If anyone can share more info about them i'm interested... They look really good, even if the price is a bit high...
Looking for the guy's site/ store/ whatevs =D

I just bought one of each. When they arrive I will give some details on it (and perhaps take some pictures).

Nice! If there is any form of sig on the base that would be amazing!
Enjoy painting/playing them, they look superb for both...

I'm one of those "weird" sister players who painted his models blue, I guess I'm just partial blue, I like the order schemes but I didn't like the mostly red and the white order, I really like the standard sisters look with the red black and gold but I felt like I couldn't paint the scheme and went with a mostly blue and gold scheme.

Mine are/will be white and coal.

Red and Black all the way..

helps with the blood and ashes.

I went with black and white, classic nun style. My order is Order of the Penitent Lady and originally I wanted to go heavy on Penitent Engines and Repentia, but after trying them out and having them suck, I just went with a more traditional list.
Here's how they look. (I'll be basing them soon.)

I just fiddled around in the Soulstorm painter until I found a colourscheme that looked good and adapted it for the models. Settled on grey armour and red robes, eventually. Wanted to make my own Order.

Though I will be painting Argent Shroud after my current army is done. They also may or may not all get shades.

And those eBay Sisters are shockingly good, certainly the best non-GW Sisters I've ever seen. The person who made them really captured the army's aesthetic.

Whirlwind Exorcists! :p
What is Celestine's left hand?
I'll post my gallery when I get pictures 1 day...

My girls are all gold with blue robes.

I also use Whirlwind exo's with Forgeworld front plates and doors. I know I will have to give penitence for this but I hate the GW exo with a passion!

 BlackTalos wrote:
Whirlwind Exorcists! :p
What is Celestine's left hand?
I'll post my gallery when I get pictures 1 day...

I'm actually not a fan of the big organ exorcist.
Celestian has another sword. (no increase in stats, but I thought it would look cool.)
And for the record, I do still pimp my exorcists out SOB style.

At 500 points I would run two immolators with melta, squad with plasma pistol, flamer, and a storm bolter. Take a stock cannoness and a priest. Whatever points are left put them on the cannoness.
Uriah and a priest with litanies would work to if you want some henchmen.

 MWHistorian wrote:

And for the record, I do still pimp my exorcists out SOB style.

Spoiler:

Exalted.

As it's part of the discussion, I'm in the process of converting a Dark Talon up to an Avenger over in my blog over here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/4140/300224.page#6422727
It's a bit of a beast of a job, I'm using a variety of Storm Raven bits (mostly) left over from my Storm Eagle, and deathstrike missile housings for the engine pods. Still, getting there!

Where'd you get that pilot?

Nice to see others using the blue/gold colour scheme I always did think it was an underused colour combination....

I quite fancy getting a Voss pattern fighter to use as an avenger stand in; is it even the right size though?

 MWHistorian wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
Whirlwind Exorcists! :p
What is Celestine's left hand?
I'll post my gallery when I get pictures 1 day...

I'm actually not a fan of the big organ exorcist.
Celestian has another sword. (no increase in stats, but I thought it would look cool.)
And for the record, I do still pimp my exorcists out SOB style.

Spoiler:

Sorry, I was asking what sword you used? Cannoness sword?

 MWHistorian wrote:
Where'd you get that pilot?

Immolator pilot with gs robes

Finished painting up a test sister. I haven't painted anything in quite some time, feel a bit rusty Overall the black/red color schema does work, I was afraid it would be too dark on the field. Crappy phone pic, but you get the idea.

I used to not like the organ exorcists, but enjoy them now.

Great looking armies guys!

Whirlwind exorcists have a place in my heart. Back in 3rd before there was a model, my exorcists were rhinos with razorback plates and metal predator turrets (gun hole covered with a view plate) and one metal whirlwind gun in the hatch part of each. (Probably a bad explanation).

Before that, was a 2nd ed razorback with metal turret and metal typhoon launchers for my exorcist.

Ahh, those were the days.

I've used doubled-up havoc launchers, makes for a nice alternative.

With the new Tyranid Dex out I was thinking of making an anti-nid list.
1. My Repentia would actually be worth using. They'd dog pile any MC and rip them to pieces. They'd have a better chance of surviving to get into combat as well.
2. Penitent Engines would be worth taking as well. They'd charge into a swarm and do some damage.
3. Flamer spam would vaporize cheap swarm units.
4. And....wait a second...there's really no point to this. Making an anti-nids list is like picking on the disabled kid.

I don't think it is quite that simple, but I suppose we'll see.

 pretre wrote:
I don't think it is quite that simple, but I suppose we'll see.

His entire post was an attempt at making a bad joke.

Honestly, from what I've seen, Nids really aren't all that bad, a bit more varied. Playtests will see.
Remember how people reacted to the Adepta Sororitas release?

People went nuts, selling their army, hating on it - and so far people seem to be doing alright with it from what I've seen.
Even now as people are actually reading the book it's calming down a little.

lol, i'd still say SoB have a hard time to do a good list, and competitive is pretty much out of the question (Pure army, no allies). But i play them cause no one does and you learn a lot by loosing =P

So far all the new codexes are making Armies better, whereas the Adepta Sororitas one was changes but "on the same lvl". The fact they've done the same with Nids codex (although 4 new units? including Flyers?) is not anything to moan about... Just take the Harridan like we take the Avenger. Done!

Looks to me like GW is trying to bring the overall power of codex'es back to Terra. Things were getting out of control so to see things be non "uber-powerful" right out the gate is refreshing. Hopefully as the next dex'es come out they follow the pattern of dialing down the ridiculous. As a long time AS player I definitely enjoy seeing a new codex NOT become the flavor of the month.

Bit silly not adjusting the problem units of the Eldar and Tau codex at the same time then.

 Ovion wrote:
His entire post was an attempt at making a bad joke.

Honestly, from what I've seen, Nids really aren't all that bad, a bit more varied. Playtests will see.
Remember how people reacted to the Adepta Sororitas release?

People went nuts, selling their army, hating on it - and so far people seem to be doing alright with it from what I've seen.
Even now as people are actually reading the book it's calming down a little.

Maybe I was just blind to it but no, I don't remember seeing that at all. Yes there were complaints that it was once again just a stop over codex with no model support but the overall playability of the codex was slightly improved and praised. The expectation of the codex was much lower as it was plainly said from the outset that this is not a new codex just a copy and paste with a few minor modifcations.