Zweischneid wrote: Perhaps. But if they'd stick with the old templates, the probably would've sold 3 more to the 3 people interested in Apoc that didn't have them.
Now, after the first Apoc, they had a rough idea of how many people are interested in Apoc, and could sell all of them something new, with a one-off production run that was conservatively based on previous Apoc-release sales to be sure to sell out.
Why wouldn't they have been able to work that out from the sales of the new apoc book? They changed the rules and unit stats/costs so to stay current you needed the min. of the new rulebook.
Zweischneid wrote: Perhaps. But if they'd stick with the old templates, the probably would've sold 3 more to the 3 people interested in Apoc that didn't have them.
Now, after the first Apoc, they had a rough idea of how many people are interested in Apoc, and could sell all of them something new, with a one-off production run that was conservatively based on previous Apoc-release sales to be sure to sell out.
Why wouldn't they have been able to work that out from the sales of the new apoc book? They changed the rules and unit stats/costs so to stay current you needed the min. of the new rulebook.
Because the new Apoc book and the new "while-stocks-last" templates were released at the same time, if I remember it correctly?
Zweischneid wrote: Perhaps. But if they'd stick with the old templates, the probably would've sold 3 more to the 3 people interested in Apoc that didn't have them.
Now, after the first Apoc, they had a rough idea of how many people are interested in Apoc, and could sell all of them something new, with a one-off production run that was conservatively based on previous Apoc-release sales to be sure to sell out.
Why wouldn't they have been able to work that out from the sales of the new apoc book? They changed the rules and unit stats/costs so to stay current you needed the min. of the new rulebook.
Because the new Apoc book and the new "while-stocks-last" templates were released at the same time, if I remember it correctly?
But what about the people interested in Escalation, who also have a need for the templates, but can't buy the relevant ones, as they've been unavailable since before it was published, and has no old version to fall back on?
But what about the people interested in Escalation, who also have a need for the templates, but can't buy the relevant ones, as they've been unavailable since before it was published, and has no old version to fall back on?
No idea.
My best bet would be that Escalation wasn't yet planned, when they produced (not necessarily released) Apoc, and unlike Apoc, Escalation was a more unknown test-balloon, where they kept their risks small.
Pure speculation though.
I'd assume the "lead/development-time" on a "book-only" release like Escalation, where some people in the studio did some brainstorming on what to throw out for Christmas is a lot shorter, and involves a lot less people, than a "full release" including books, miniatures, templates, etc.. . like Apoc.
Zweischneid wrote: Because the new Apoc book and the new "while-stocks-last" templates were released at the same time, if I remember it correctly?
Not following, not sure if I'm being thick or not here?
Everybody needs the book as the rules have changed, you can make the templates or use old ones.
Book is still available so is potentially still actually racking up sales today, the templates sold out ages ago so nobody can buy them even if they wanted to
You need the templates for some of the Lords of War in the FW books but not in the GW Book, so template sales could have been boosted by that (assuming you can actually find some)?
My guess to why the templates aren't available, and it is a guess as I don't have the box anymore, is that the templates were made in China or some such so only a limited batch was brought.
Personally I was very disappointed with the new templates as they were very flimsy, which matters due to the size of them. I would hope they do a new, stronger version.
But what about the people interested in Escalation, who also have a need for the templates, but can't buy the relevant ones, as they've been unavailable since before it was published, and has no old version to fall back on?
No idea.
My best bet would be that Escalation wasn't yet planned, when they produced (not necessarily released) Apoc, and unlike Apoc, Escalation was a more unknown test-balloon, where they kept their risks small.
Pure speculation though.
I'd assume the "lead/development-time" on a "book-only" release like Escalation, where some people in the studio did some brainstorming on what to throw out for Christmas is a lot shorter, and involves a lot less people, than a "full release" including books, miniatures, templates, etc.. . like Apoc.
But by the time Escalation was published, possibly even conceived, they'd already done the hard yards on the templates.
I know you do your best to argue in favour of GW when you can (and often when you can't, but do anyway) but it is difficult to see this as anything else as poor planning in one regard or another.
Personally I was very disappointed with the new templates as they were very flimsy, which matters due to the size of them. I would hope they do a new, stronger version.
I guess that's a possible explanation in favour of GW, the original design wasn't up to scratch, so they decided not to restock with the same (potentially a little dark, depending on if that decision was made before or after they went on a limited stock sale) and something has happened to snarly up the redesign/re supply, giving a longer gap than they anticipated.
I mean, I've just gone and ordered the imperial targeting templates where I could find them, because over christmas I got the Escalation and Stronghold Assault books, and a lovely big ol' tempestus firebase. So I'm the guy Azreal13's talking about, and I almost got pretty shafted there. It seems very poorly thought-through. Who's going to buy the Apocalypse book now if they find out they can't get the right templates anymore?
They should just rush out a larger big blast marker and call it a day, problem solved.
Next up, we have a the first in a series of new titles to support some fantastic new miniature(ish)s on the way from the Citadel Studio. We can't tell you much more yet, but if you haven't seen the teaser video that went out on White Dwarf Daily yesterday, take a look. Pay close attention at the end, and you might be able to make out the shape of things to come.
I believe Mr McNeill has penned some relevant texts
But by the time Escalation was published, possibly even conceived, they'd already done the hard yards on the templates.
I know you do your best to argue in favour of GW when you can (and often when you can't, but do anyway) but it is difficult to see this as anything else as poor planning in one regard or another.
But we're drifting OT again.
Knights! Whooo!
I am never arguing in favour (or against) of GW. I only ever argue in favour of sound logic.
I don't even disagree that it's stupid (for customers) to not have these templates available anymore. I am simply trying to divine why that would be the case.
Book sales and accessory sales don't match. Look at 40K Codexes and the (while-stocks-last) psychic power cards, Dark Eldar Portals, etc. ..
Presumably, GW has some printer on-hand for all their books, so they can continually make new books if they choose to do so.
Stuff like templates and cards might be done externally and/or a different facility? Speculation?
I am never arguing in favour (or against) of GW. I only ever argue in favour of sound logic.
Ha!
That's almost sig worthy!
You've met me right? I've participated in the same threads as you've writhed and twisted and moved goal posts in? The same threads where the overwhelming majority (I'm tempted to say literally everyone, except being the Internet I'm not going to give you the opportunity to trawl through and find the handful of instances where it wasn't the case) have been shooting holes in your arguments?
I actually lol'd.
Frankly, you wouldn't know sound logic if it hit you on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.
So what additional weapons do we think we'll see either in the new Mechanicum book or in a future FW book?
The obvious ones I can think of being is something with the flamer template, hopefully with torrent, something heavy anti infantry - really want avenger cannon(s) here, and some sort of lascannon style anti tank shot.
You've met me right? I've participated in the same threads as you've writhed and twisted and moved goal posts in? The same threads where the overwhelming majority (I'm tempted to say literally everyone, except being the Internet I'm not going to give you the opportunity to trawl through and find the handful of instances where it wasn't the case) have been shooting holes in your arguments?
Sure I know you. Happy to roll up any of the old threads. Just because people like you apparently can't handle more than one argument at a time in a single thread doesn't mean I am "moving goal-posts" and I've conceded every point where I truly was wrong (which does happen, though not necessarily all the points where you claimed I was wrong).
But what about the people interested in Escalation, who also have a need for the templates, but can't buy the relevant ones, as they've been unavailable since before it was published, and has no old version to fall back on?
No idea.
My best bet would be that Escalation wasn't yet planned, when they produced (not necessarily released) Apoc, and unlike Apoc, Escalation was a more unknown test-balloon, where they kept their risks small.
Without having read Escalation, I get the impression it's essentially just the Apoc rules for the Lords Of War units, with some tenuous rules to fit them into a normal game. So I'd quite happily accept that it was thrown together when Apocalypse didn't have the sales it was expected to. There was about a 6 month lag between releases, there's a 3 month turnaround for printing, so it's entirely possible Escalation was written a month or 2 after Apoc came out (over the course of a caffiene fuelled weekend).
That wouldn't have anything to do with the templates though, presumably they just don't think it's worth ordering another batch of them and are too detatched to realise that they've rendered 2 of their expansion books unsupported.
You've met me right? I've participated in the same threads as you've writhed and twisted and moved goal posts in? The same threads where the overwhelming majority (I'm tempted to say literally everyone, except being the Internet I'm not going to give you the opportunity to trawl through and find the handful of instances where it wasn't the case) have been shooting holes in your arguments?
Sure I know you. Happy to roll up any of the old threads. Just because people like you apparently can't handle more than one argument at a time in a single thread doesn't mean I am "moving goal-posts" and I've conceded every point where I truly was wrong (which does happen, though not necessarily all the points where you claimed I was wrong).
People who derails arguments with vague accusations of "moving goal-posts" or similar mud-slinging substitutes to .. well ... actually providing counter-arguments.
Zwei has a bit of a vested interest in creating 'controversy' and 'click throughs', and this possibly might...shade his interactions and arguments here.
If he annoys anyone too much, I suggest just using the excellent "IGNORE" feature on Dakka Dakka.
People who derails arguments with vague accusations of "moving goal-posts" or similar mud-slinging substitutes to .. well ... actually providing counter-arguments.
So pot, you are calling me, the kettle, black?
Well done.
As usual, I've let you have your way for a bit, but enough is enough now, so if you want to continue this discussion, you'll be doing it by yourself.
I advise anyone else reading this to resist the urge to get involved also.
Well, I'm fed up with always being behind the meme curve so I'm jumping on the bandwagon early!
Knights, Whooo!
I'm significantly moved enough to get my first BIG unit.
Although an avid IG collector, I've never been enough of a gamer (never approaching Apocalypse) to consider anything like the Baneblade as being a worthwhile purchase...and that was before they put the price up to £85.
This, however, will see my IG getting some support after I've shopped around for the best price.
Based on my local store, i coulde see these things being effective (you know not everyone brings tournament quality net lists ALL THE TIME). Whether i can save long enough for one is a different story. Overall, after looking at the model, and seeing the rules I'm pleased.
You've met me right? I've participated in the same threads as you've writhed and twisted and moved goal posts in? The same threads where the overwhelming majority (I'm tempted to say literally everyone, except being the Internet I'm not going to give you the opportunity to trawl through and find the handful of instances where it wasn't the case) have been shooting holes in your arguments?
Sure I know you. Happy to roll up any of the old threads. Just because people like you apparently can't handle more than one argument at a time in a single thread doesn't mean I am "moving goal-posts" and I've conceded every point where I truly was wrong (which does happen, though not necessarily all the points where you claimed I was wrong).
You two get a room and stop dragging down threads....
Is the model to be released on the 22nd and direct only? I cant get my local store to respond so I have no idea what the availability of the model will actually be. Also I am suprised there are no "pre release" offers up on Itunes for the two book so it makes me wonder if they will be digital or not.
alphaecho wrote: Well, I'm fed up with always being behind the meme curve so I'm jumping on the bandwagon early!
Knights, Whooo!
I'm significantly moved enough to get my first BIG unit.
Although an avid IG collector, I've never been enough of a gamer (never approaching Apocalypse) to consider anything like the Baneblade as being a worthwhile purchase...and that was before they put the price up to £85.
This, however, will see my IG getting some support after I've shopped around for the best price.
As I said earlier, I think its a great model, something that will probably take me 2 months of hobby time to finish, so if I can get it for £70 ish at a discounter I'll probably be getting one, it doesnt represent a truly dire cost/time investment, as far as GW go at least. I doubt it will ever see a gaming table though.
For reference, the last time I bought a big kit from GW was a baneblade. That was from forgeworld, a big lump of resin and cost me £150 or so.
alphaecho wrote: Well, I'm fed up with always being behind the meme curve so I'm jumping on the bandwagon early!
Knights, Whooo!
I'm significantly moved enough to get my first BIG unit.
Although an avid IG collector, I've never been enough of a gamer (never approaching Apocalypse) to consider anything like the Baneblade as being a worthwhile purchase...and that was before they put the price up to £85.
This, however, will see my IG getting some support after I've shopped around for the best price.
As I said earlier, I think its a great model, something that will probably take me 2 months of hobby time to finish, so if I can get it for £70 ish at a discounter I'll probably be getting one, it doesnt represent a truly dire cost/time investment, as far as GW go at least. I doubt it will ever see a gaming table though.
For reference, the last time I bought a big kit from GW was a baneblade. That was from forgeworld, a big lump of resin and cost me £150 or so.
I was interested in the Gorgon and Crassus at various points in the past but the Knight is tickling me past the "interested" phase and heading towards "will buy". Failing that, the Transformers Metroplex that is still in a loft somewhere is getting a paint and skulls upgrade.
". Failing that, the Transformers Metroplex that is still in a loft somewhere is getting a paint and skulls upgrade.
NO, Don't you dare!!!
I see his Metroplex and raise him one Omega Supreme Wouldn't they be warhound sized anyhow,been over 20 years since Ive seen either but I remember them being pretty big
Now Jetfire would be Knight Sized
". Failing that, the Transformers Metroplex that is still in a loft somewhere is getting a paint and skulls upgrade.
NO, Don't you dare!!!
I see his Metroplex and raise him one Omega Supreme Wouldn't they be warhound sized anyhow,been over 20 years since Ive seen either but I remember them being pretty big
Now Jetfire would be Knight Sized
Thanks to my dad's travels with the Royal Navy, I have a Diaclone Great Robot Base (Google it, its great) by Takara still lurking. Now that is a bad boy robot with a Battlecannon arm that just screams Titan!!
Holly Krieg! Just found my DKOKesque IK, 5.5" tall, from $5 (on amazon) to $89.99, some pre-painted & assembled! They have 1/144th & 1/100th scale versions! This (pic) is someones converted version! There are several varients too...
Not as bad I suppose, and I suspect the new ones will suddenly and miraculously become available once they've got shot of all the old ones.
I'd definitely want the 'poseable' barrage template over the four leaf clover one though.
Weirdly, I went to the exact same location in the site, searched for 'apocalypse' and 'templates' as separate searches and as one phrase, and the site never showed me those, only the newer, unavailable, blue ones. Odd....
I have one of these (Robotech tomahawks) that has been waiting to become an imperial knight for a while now. Perfect size to be one too. The time is now.
Ahhhh, aesthetics is all relative. What is awesome and fun to me and my firends probably is ridiculously offensive to someone else. It all comes down to what you are going to have fun with, really.
Ironwill13791 wrote: Ahhhh, aesthetics is all relative. What is awesome and fun to me and my firends probably is ridiculously offensive to someone else. It all comes down to what you are going to have fun with, really.
aesthetics is indeed relative....relative to the price of the "official" model
I do think its interesting to compare the prices of the products. The Bandai kits are pretty fiddly and detailed, and are much much cheaper. I guess they probably sell a ton more, but I don't know, seams like somebody know how to price their products a little better.
Ironwill13791 wrote: Ahhhh, aesthetics is all relative. What is awesome and fun to me and my friends probably is ridiculously offensive to someone else. It all comes down to what you are going to have fun with, really.
aesthetics is indeed relative....relative to the price of the "official" model
And that price is 140 USD.
Note: See. One person who has an "official" stance against people using whatever figure they want. (I'm not attacking you, just using it to point out the differences in peoples' views)
funny thing is that if the rumors of the base being new are true, all these people wanting to use alternative models are gonna end up having to buy the kit to get the base anyway.
I mean let's face it from a game play prespective the base and "approx height/width" are the important things.
BrianDavion wrote: funny thing is that if the rumors of the base being new are true, all these people wanting to use alternative models are gonna end up having to buy the kit to get the base anyway.
I mean let's face it from a game play prespective the base and "approx height/width" are the important things.
You can always make a base. Or I'm sure GW will sell the bases for a reasonable price like $60.
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
we've already seen one of the new IG kits, but nobody seems to have noticed so far. There is a miniature "hidden in plain sight" in one of the newer publications
Anyone know the Mr. anonymous is talking about? or is it a bad joke about knights (Not Titans)
Ironwill13791 wrote: Ahhhh, aesthetics is all relative. What is awesome and fun to me and my friends probably is ridiculously offensive to someone else. It all comes down to what you are going to have fun with, really.
aesthetics is indeed relative....relative to the price of the "official" model
And that price is 140 USD.
Note: See. One person who has an "official" stance against people using whatever figure they want. (I'm not attacking you, just using it to point out the differences in peoples' views)
i'm certainly in favor of people using whatever they want, I personally will be using dreamforge models for knights, I'll still buy a GW model just to have, but I much rather prefer the look of dreamforge. My comment was mainly to point out that people seem to only be concerned about the aesthetics of the model, till the actual real model has a large price tag.
Agamemnon2 wrote: What about "people bitching about people bitching about the price of the model?" Surely that merits inclusion on your wee list? Also, I should point out that ascribing actions to posters like you're doing there is pretty much the opposite of "summing up", better known as "inventing stuff wholesale to suit your own limited preconceptions."
I won't buy one of these, nor do I play Warmachine, so when I say the price is too damn high, you can't spout your tired catchphrases in response like a mentally challenged parrot. Your little comedy routine might work on 4chan or wherever people like you congregate these days, but it can only made the judicious grieve.
Chill out dude... its plastic toys.
Forgot to mention if you can find a cheaper alternative I'm all ears... No one has as yet.
I'd build one myself, were I that way inclined. Scratchbuilding vehicles is essentially stacking boxes together.
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
we've already seen one of the new IG kits, but nobody seems to have noticed so far. There is a miniature "hidden in plain sight" in one of the newer publications
Anyone know the Mr. anonymous is talking about? or is it a bad joke about knights (Not Titans)
Interesting... I didn't think there were a lot of IG shown in the recent publications.
Ironwill13791 wrote: Ahhhh, aesthetics is all relative. What is awesome and fun to me and my friends probably is ridiculously offensive to someone else. It all comes down to what you are going to have fun with, really.
aesthetics is indeed relative....relative to the price of the "official" model
And that price is 140 USD.
Note: See. One person who has an "official" stance against people using whatever figure they want. (I'm not attacking you, just using it to point out the differences in peoples' views)
i'm certainly in favor of people using whatever they want, I personally will be using dreamforge models for knights, I'll still buy a GW model just to have, but I much rather prefer the look of dreamforge. My comment was mainly to point out that people seem to only be concerned about the aesthetics of the model, till the actual real model has a large price tag.
On that point, I will agree with you. I know some people who will love the look of the GW Knight, look at the $140 price tag, and next thing I know they have an alternative model. I know, to me at least, the GW Knight looks better than the Dreamforge model (wont begrudge anyone who sees it differently and wants to use it), and I will be pre-ordering mine this Saturday. I will also be putting in a bunch of elbow-grease to work on a homebrew knight to run alongside it. But you know what they say money talks.
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
we've already seen one of the new IG kits, but nobody seems to have noticed so far. There is a miniature "hidden in plain sight" in one of the newer publications
Anyone know the Mr. anonymous is talking about? or is it a bad joke about knights (Not Titans)
Interesting... I didn't think there were a lot of IG shown in the recent publications.
There are IG vs Tyranid shots in Visions but I don't have one to hand.
I often mention this in threads about upcoming GW releases that are shaping up to be popular.
Please, if you even have a slight issue with anything GW does, whether it be pricing, quality of rules, bullying legal tactics or unnecessary litigation, order through a third party.
It does mean you might not get the item in the very day of release, but it will serve several purposes.
It will support an independent retailer who will likely carry other, non-GW products! helping to build diversity in wargaming by keeping as many avenues to market for smaller companies open as possible.
It will likely gain you a discount on RRP
Any product sold through a third party nets GW ~40% less cash because they sell it at wholesale, meaning you can put some financial pressure on GW for whatever reasons you have personally, without cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Really, when you stop to think about it, there aren't many good reasons to buy from GW direct, unless something is only available from them.
BrianDavion wrote: funny thing is that if the rumors of the base being new are true, all these people wanting to use alternative models are gonna end up having to buy the kit to get the base anyway..
It's not that difficult to cut an oval out of plasticard or MDF.
And all of the 3rd party base sellers will have alternatives out within weeks.
I don't like the price one bit, but I love Titans and paid way more than was wise before. I have made up my mind and will buy one, but it had better be magnetisable, I will want all the options I like open to me.
One more thing, when this is released I will be doing a lot of shopping around.
azreal13 wrote: I often mention this in threads about upcoming GW releases that are shaping up to be popular.
Please, if you even have a slight issue with anything GW does, whether it be pricing, quality of rules, bullying legal tactics or unnecessary litigation, order through a third party.
It does mean you might not get the item in the very day of release, but it will serve several purposes.
It will support an independent retailer who will likely carry other, non-GW products! helping to build diversity in wargaming by keeping as many avenues to market for smaller companies open as possible.
It will likely gain you a discount on RRP
Any product sold through a third party nets GW ~40% less cash because they sell it at wholesale, meaning you can put some financial pressure on GW for whatever reasons you have personally, without cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Really, when you stop to think about it, there aren't many good reasons to buy from GW direct, unless something is only available from them.
Definitely agree with the above. I've pretty much stopped buying GW products for the past couple of years but I still play the games occasionally with my already painted forces (unpainted and/or incomplete forces have been largely sold off except for some ork stragglers). It doesn't affect GW much if I don't get to personally use my minis other than a miniscule bit of local exposure at the FLGS but it does affect me. That said.. with this latest edition.. 40k has largely become my game of last choice that I bring in case I can't rustle up an opponent for a game that I actively want to play/support. I am glad though that fans are getting a nice model and second the notion of getting it through a third party if you absolutely must have it. I'm fine with my (unfinished) Tau counts as Reaver titan superheavy Halo Scarab personally.
Orlanth wrote: I don't like the price one bit, but I love Titans and paid way more than was wise before. I have made up my mind and will buy one, but it had better be magnetisable, I will want all the options I like open to me.
One more thing, when this is released I will be doing a lot of shopping around.
No vested interest other than they're my closest independent, but while they don't discount as deep as some, they do offer free shipping on everything, which may well work out better.
They're still new and getting off the ground, so I'm sure if their price is competitive they'll appreciate the business.
If thats your local independent you might want to do them a solid and let them know there webstore is breaking some establish GW rules, would be a shame if they lost out on the ability to get GW product
Orlanth wrote: I don't like the price one bit, but I love Titans and paid way more than was wise before. I have made up my mind and will buy one, but it had better be magnetisable, I will want all the options I like open to me.
One more thing, when this is released I will be doing a lot of shopping around.
No vested interest other than they're my closest independent, but while they don't discount as deep as some, they do offer free shipping on everything, which may well work out better.
They're still new and getting off the ground, so I'm sure if their price is competitive they'll appreciate the business.
They are likely to be my shop of choice. I've not bought from them before but Dakka member Col Gravis is one of the owners and he's done a good job with Curious Constructs and never let me down with that enterprise.
ironicsilence wrote: If thats your local independent you might want to do them a solid and let them know there webstore is breaking some establish GW rules, would be a shame if they lost out on the ability to get GW product
Then you might want to do me a solid and let me know what they are?
The added size would help emphasize the fact that unless you're playing with escalation these things aren't exactly an everyday kinda thing as many in the thread have suggested.
I'm sorry, but as said, the info is there, it isn't my responsibility to shove stuff in people's faces to pander to some people who abdicate their responsibility to read the info because they have no attention span.
azreal13 wrote: I'm sorry, but as said, the info is there, it isn't my responsibility to shove stuff in people's faces to pander to some people who abdicate their responsibility to read the info because they have no attention span.
Uhhh it might not be a deficit in attention, it may be a lack of screen resolution. Just sayin.
azreal13 wrote: I'm sorry, but as said, the info is there, it isn't my responsibility to shove stuff in people's faces to pander to some people who abdicate their responsibility to read the info because they have no attention span.
Uhhh it might not be a deficit in attention, it may be a lack of screen resolution. Just sayin.
Yeah, the part picture is pretty small and I was looking at it on a tablet.
azreal13 wrote: I'm sorry, but as said, the info is there, it isn't my responsibility to shove stuff in people's faces to pander to some people who abdicate their responsibility to read the info because they have no attention span.
Well in all honesty when some people tend to pull subjects off topic to constantly voice criticism/vendettas to/against others it tends to make people scan topics rather than read through due to all the noise.
Crap...now see what you made me do
Woohoo Knights. Finally got ahold of my local store and have decided to order in Bulk hehehe
azreal13 wrote: I'm sorry, but as said, the info is there, it isn't my responsibility to shove stuff in people's faces to pander to some people who abdicate their responsibility to read the info because they have no attention span.
Well in all honesty when some people tend to pull subjects off topic to constantly voice criticism/vendettas to/against others it tends to make people scan topics rather than read through due to all the noise.
Crap...now see what you made me do
Woohoo Knights. Finally got ahold of my local store and have decided to order in Bulk hehehe
I let the first, essentially baseless dig that had no relevance to you, and had concluded before your post, go, keep up this line and I'll smack you with the little yellow triangle.
Reminds me of the famous scene from the movie "Der Untergang":
anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Things are on information lock-down at the moment. Some bigwig at GW is furious about the inside source for the Knight rules leak. It's codex BA all over again. Nobody at GW appreciates or tolerates this.
They worked very hard to keep the Knight out of the spotlight and now everybody already knows about it. These leaks might even affect the release schedule, "soft" releases like the Chaos Chosen might be put forward and "hard" releases like the new IG pushed back. GW knows that they don't have any control over the last 48h, but they are adamant to do whatever it takes to make sure that their announcement will be the first in the future.
GW managers are raging again against reality and punishing the customers. Now Tom Kirby has to shoot one designer after the other, until the traitor reveals himself
Step 1: Pretend you can control the Internet.
Step 2: Punish the players by pushing releases back.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Continued flat sales based due to increased prices vs shrinking sales volume.
Again, normally the joke is "profit" as the fourth step, but this is GW.
GW... are adamant to do whatever it takes to make sure that their announcement will be the first in the future.
"Whatever it takes" unless that requires actually making their announcement first.
A classic example of "gak or get off the pot" Hey GW: A few years ago, you had official previews on your own website of the next 40k, Fantasy and LOTR releases and double as much customers. Think about it!
Kroothawk wrote: Reminds me of the famous scene from the movie "Der Untergang":
anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Things are on information lock-down at the moment. Some bigwig at GW is furious about the inside source for the Knight rules leak. It's codex BA all over again. Nobody at GW appreciates or tolerates this.
They worked very hard to keep the Knight out of the spotlight and now everybody already knows about it. These leaks might even affect the release schedule, "soft" releases like the Chaos Chosen might be put forward and "hard" releases like the new IG pushed back. GW knows that they don't have any control over the last 48h, but they are adamant to do whatever it takes to make sure that their announcement will be the first in the future.
GW managers are raging again against reality and punishing the customers. Now Tom Kirby has to shoot one designer after the other, until the traitor reveals himself
"GW may be changing the release schedule" "Anonymous Source on Faeit"
Sorry I didn't read all 40+ pages. Just wondering if you thin the titans will have be yet another add-on detachment like codex inquisition, or if running up to three of these in addition to a primary detachment will eliminate your option to take a traditional allied detachment?
Do you think they will have a new allied matrix, will chaos get to run these?
because I thought it didn't come out until saturday.
The reason I am asking this is because I have the white dwarf in hand.
You're correct, you have it early.
Anything we don't already know, or other releases that slipped the net?
Not really, its actually underwhelming. the two pages listing the Knight Errant and Paladin are the only rules in the book. there is no Force Org or ally chart.
" they can be used as a primary detachment of 3-6 or may be taken as an ally detachment up to 3 imperial Knights." The Fluff isn't bad but nothing you can't really find via the internet, But the Kit looks amazing.
There is two transfer sheets shown in the book, one bing A5 with like 282 transfers on it and it says that one is contained in the kit. Another sheet is shown as well being A4 with just as many transfers on it.
Houses Terryn, Hawkshroud, Cadmus, Degallio, Griffith, and Mortan are listed as Imperial Aligned houses and on the transfer sheets.
House Krast, Vulker, Taranis and Raven are listed as Mechanicus aligned and on the sheets.
Along with what looks like Heraldry for 5 Freelance(Merc) Knights.
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DJGietzen wrote: Sorry I didn't read all 40+ pages. Just wondering if you thin the titans will have be yet another add-on detachment like codex inquisition, or if running up to three of these in addition to a primary detachment will eliminate your option to take a traditional allied detachment?
Do you think they will have a new allied matrix, will chaos get to run these?
No new allied Matrix. and going by straight rules as written Chaos could use them.
but there is no fluff in the book regarding Chaos Knights
because I thought it didn't come out until saturday.
The reason I am asking this is because I have the white dwarf in hand.
You're correct, you have it early.
Anything we don't already know, or other releases that slipped the net?
Not really, its actually underwhelming. the two pages listing the Knight Errant and Paladin are the only rules in the book. there is no Force Org or ally chart.
" they can be used as a primary detachment of 3-6 or may be taken as an ally detachment up to 3 imperial Knights." The Fluff isn't bad but nothing you can't really find via the internet, But the Kit looks amazing.
There is two transfer sheets shown in the book, one bing A5 with like 282 transfers on it and it says that one is contained in the kit. Another sheet is shown as well being A4 with just as many transfers on it.
Houses Terryn, Hawkshroud, Cadmus, Degallio, Griffith, and Mortan are listed as Imperial Aligned houses and on the transfer sheets.
House Krast, Vulker, Taranis and Raven are listed as Mechanicus aligned and on the sheets.
Along with what looks like Heraldry for 5 Freelance(Merc) Knights.
Ah, the news in the decals will put some people at ease
Confirmation on price, and also any news on release of book would be good.
I'm mainly interested in this because it means that GW might incorporate the old Eldar Knights models into the range (scaled up and updated, of course). I know that they've already got the Wraithknight model out now, but a 28mm Bright Stallion would probably be one of the coolest looking figures out there.
There White dwarf rules, I'm guessing, will be just a taste of the rules that will be in the ebook they are making available for preorder on the 22nd as well. My guess is once the actual book is released the white dwarf rules will be replaced and perhaps a new ally chart or something will come about. This really feels like it should be a formation not an allied detachment. I'll be placing my ebook order this weekend for sure.
I don't buy the rumors of a "furious GW pushing back release schedules out of rage over the leaks" IIRC Faeit's posted similer rumors when we had the LAST big leaks pop out..
A delay would just make leaks worse, as well as cause GW more harm then good from the cost it'd inflict
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DJGietzen wrote: There White dwarf rules, I'm guessing, will be just a taste of the rules that will be in the ebook they are making available for preorder on the 22nd as well. My guess is once the actual book is released the white dwarf rules will be replaced and perhaps a new ally chart or something will come about. This really feels like it should be a formation not an allied detachment. I'll be placing my ebook order this weekend for sure.
yeah thats my guess too, the WD stuff is ultimatly just a preview. the ecodex (or whatever) some delicious fluff. and all the rules. including quite possiably some rules goodies not in WD.
BrianDavion wrote: I don't buy the rumors of a "furious GW pushing back release schedules out of rage over the leaks" IIRC Faeit's posted similer rumors when we had the LAST big leaks pop out..
A delay would just make leaks worse, as well as cause GW more harm then good from the cost it'd inflict
I read that as
"Rumour monger who has been making stuff up/bandwagon jumping desperately needed some way of justifying why all his stuff was suddenly going to come out as gak"
Alpharius wrote: Zwei has a bit of a vested interest in creating 'controversy' and 'click throughs', and this possibly might...shade his interactions and arguments here.
If he annoys anyone too much, I suggest just using the excellent "IGNORE" feature on Dakka Dakka.
I've been doing that for some time now.
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bu11etmagn3tt wrote: Holly Krieg! Just found my DKOKesque IK, 5.75" tall, $19.99, pre-painted & assembled!
BrianDavion wrote: funny thing is that if the rumors of the base being new are true, all these people wanting to use alternative models are gonna end up having to buy the kit to get the base anyway.
I mean let's face it from a game play prespective the base and "approx height/width" are the important things.
You can always make a base. Or I'm sure GW will sell the bases for a reasonable price like $60.
I'm sure there will be very nice and affordable MDF and Acrylic bases on the market within a week of the kit being released.
Alpharius wrote: Zwei has a bit of a vested interest in creating 'controversy' and 'click throughs', and this possibly might...shade his interactions and arguments here.
If he annoys anyone too much, I suggest just using the excellent "IGNORE" feature on Dakka Dakka.
I've been doing that for some time now.
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bu11etmagn3tt wrote: Holly Krieg! Just found my DKOKesque IK, 5.75" tall, $19.99, pre-painted & assembled!
BrianDavion wrote: funny thing is that if the rumors of the base being new are true, all these people wanting to use alternative models are gonna end up having to buy the kit to get the base anyway.
I mean let's face it from a game play prespective the base and "approx height/width" are the important things.
You can always make a base. Or I'm sure GW will sell the bases for a reasonable price like $60.
I'm sure there will be very nice and affordable MDF and Acrylic bases on the market within a week of the kit being released.
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"Zyth van elishFebruary 19, 2014 at 1:38 PM
I think I got something, but maybe it's not the hidden model mentioned. But still something interesting.
White Dwarf Weekly number 1, page 23.
There is a picture of a "barrel of a Leman Russ battle cannon" according to the text accompagning the image.
But this barrel isn't the actual Leman Russ one.
It looks to be a Baneblade battle cannon, but it's clearly mentioned it's a Leman Russ battle cannon."
Could it be that Leman Russ' will get more gun choices, i.e. neutron laser system, Neutron Laser Projector, Executioner-pattern Plasma Destroyer? Some weapon type to handle IKs & all the new BIG models...???
Someone on 4chan is leaking the WD. Sadly, nothing we haven't seen in the OP.
I'm concerned that there is no clarification around taking them as a primary detachment. IE, how do you nominate a warlord? Can such a unit ever score? Is is a "codex"? I'm also not seeing where it says what armies can ally with it.
buddha wrote: Someone on 4chan is leaking the WD. Sadly, nothing we haven't seen in the OP.
I'm concerned that there is no clarification around taking them as a primary detachment. IE, how do you nominate a warlord? Can such a unit ever score? Is is a "codex"?
While it is a little early to definitively cite a pattern, the Dwarf release saw enough rules in WD to give a good idea how they worked in game, but wasn't complete, meaning you still needed the book. I suspect this will be the same.
buddha wrote: Someone on 4chan is leaking the WD. Sadly, nothing we haven't seen in the OP.
I'm concerned that there is no clarification around taking them as a primary detachment. IE, how do you nominate a warlord? Can such a unit ever score? Is is a "codex"? I'm also not seeing where it says what armies can ally with it.
Its players like you that are ruining the game! Stop trying to play the game with your silly requirements like... rules! Just put models on the table and roll dice. Have fun! OR YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!
Eumerin wrote: I'm mainly interested in this because it means that GW might incorporate the old Eldar Knights models into the range (scaled up and updated, of course). I know that they've already got the Wraithknight model out now, but a 28mm Bright Stallion would probably be one of the coolest looking figures out there.
Never gonna happen... each race will be lucky to get an epic-turned-to-28mm big walky/mower mech-a-ma-bob model.... Eldar had there moment in the sun.
Alpharius wrote:Zwei has a bit of a vested interest in creating 'controversy' and 'click throughs', and this possibly might...shade his interactions and arguments here.
If he annoys anyone too much, I suggest just using the excellent "IGNORE" feature on Dakka Dakka.
Sorry, maybe I'm a little uneducated about this whole process, but how can he have a "vested interest" or benefit from stirring the pot / trolling / "creating controversy"?
Sincere question, honestly curious... just can't see how he could get anything out of it from Dakka?
azreal13 wrote:I often mention this in threads about upcoming GW releases that are shaping up to be popular.
Please, if you even have a slight issue with anything GW does, whether it be pricing, quality of rules, bullying legal tactics or unnecessary litigation, order through a third party.
It does mean you might not get the item in the very day of release, but it will serve several purposes.
It will support an independent retailer who will likely carry other, non-GW products! helping to build diversity in wargaming by keeping as many avenues to market for smaller companies open as possible.
It will likely gain you a discount on RRP
Any product sold through a third party nets GW ~40% less cash because they sell it at wholesale, meaning you can put some financial pressure on GW for whatever reasons you have personally, without cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Really, when you stop to think about it, there aren't many good reasons to buy from GW direct, unless something is only available from them.
Excellent advice, very well-worded - seconded whole-heartedly.
So it seems as I suspected earlier, you do get a transfer sheet in the box.
Anyway, I want one. From the number of people on Dakka who normally are critical of GW actually saying they'll buy one, I wonder if it will actually sell out.
Alpharius wrote:Zwei has a bit of a vested interest in creating 'controversy' and 'click throughs', and this possibly might...shade his interactions and arguments here.
If he annoys anyone too much, I suggest just using the excellent "IGNORE" feature on Dakka Dakka.
Sorry, maybe I'm a little uneducated about this whole process, but how can he have a "vested interest" or benefit from stirring the pot / trolling / "creating controversy"?
Sincere question, honestly curious... just can't see how he could get anything out of it from Dakka?
Clickthroughs to his blog.
He gets some money from the advertising, etc. No idea if he's making a living/profit off of it at this stage, or gets a lot of freebies via review copies, or so forth, but that's what Alph was referring to. A bit of a shame, when Zwei isn't being contrary, making absurd arguments and gak stirring he can be an interesting poster.
It'll be a while before I can purchase one, but it would make sense to have one to fight along side my Vostroyans, painted up in House Raven colors (I envision red, with bronze trim) to tie it into my force. Vostroyans are known to have close ties to the Adeptus Mechanicus, and having a Knight that's aligned with the Ad-Mech would be a cool force multiplier for big games. Would also be cool to have it running interference for my Shadowsword in Apocalypse scale games as well.
Next step will be saving for it while I get the rest of my I.G. painted up. Good looking model. Double-shot battlecannon? Yes please.
The Knight is Listed as $140, CAN 170, and AU 155.
The A4 Transfer sheet is 20. and listed as Online only.
No information on a Book.
Next weeks White Dwarf will be over Freelance Knights
surely you've switched the canadian price for the Aussie one. Or Canada has became the new red headed stepchilcd of the GW world
Hm, good point. With the listed prices above, I'd be able to buy them from a local discounter for about the same as from a US discounter, so I'd actually buy them locally! Surely a horrible mistake, then!
The Knight is Listed as $140, CAN 170, and AU 155.
The A4 Transfer sheet is 20. and listed as Online only.
No information on a Book.
Next weeks White Dwarf will be over Freelance Knights
surely you've switched the canadian price for the Aussie one. Or Canada has became the new red headed stepchilcd of the GW world
Hm, good point. With the listed prices above, I'd be able to buy them from a local discounter for about the same as from a US discounter, so I'd actually buy them locally! Surely a horrible mistake, then!
I'm interested to see the price, the past few releases have actually not been horribly skewed against Australia (not great mind you, just not so skewed that it's worth buying internationally, the Wraithknight is $125AUD and $115USD). However, the exchange rate has slipped slightly... so I'll be interested to see the pricing of the Imperial Knight.
FYI, at the current exchange rate, the Wraithknight is actually cheaper in Australia than the USA
Because GW have been implementing their price rises release by release, it's really only worth importing models from older releases (IG, for example, can be gotten nearly half the price in the USA compared to Oz),
Sorry, maybe I'm a little uneducated about this whole process, but how can he have a "vested interest" or benefit from stirring the pot / trolling / "creating controversy"?
Sincere question, honestly curious... just can't see how he could get anything out of it from Dakka?
Since it is apparently such an issue, I ask again.#
1 - I was discussing relative prices of DF Leviathans vs. GW Knights, which I believe (tell me if I am wrong) is on topic.
2 - Azrael13 "responds" with personal insults, doubting the objectivity of my comparisons.
3 - I dispute his insinuations, or ask him to at least substantiate them.
4 - Azrael13 walks away, claiming that to support his baseless insults would be feeding my "trolling".
I can't exactly follow the logic of how I am the one derailing things or stirring up controversy here. All would have been perfectly fine, if Azrael13 would've stuck to the discussion at hand, instead of going off on groundless personal attacks for no apparent reason.
The Knight is Listed as $140, CAN 170, and AU 155.
The A4 Transfer sheet is 20. and listed as Online only.
No information on a Book.
Next weeks White Dwarf will be over Freelance Knights
surely you've switched the canadian price for the Aussie one. Or Canada has became the new red headed stepchilcd of the GW world
Hm, good point. With the listed prices above, I'd be able to buy them from a local discounter for about the same as from a US discounter, so I'd actually buy them locally! Surely a horrible mistake, then!
I'm interested to see the price, the past few releases have actually not been horribly skewed against Australia (not great mind you, just not so skewed that it's worth buying internationally, the Wraithknight is $125AUD and $115USD). However, the exchange rate has slipped slightly... so I'll be interested to see the pricing of the Imperial Knight.
FYI, at the current exchange rate, the Wraithknight is actually cheaper in Australia than the USA
Because GW have been implementing their price rises release by release, it's really only worth importing models from older releases (IG, for example, can be gotten nearly half the price in the USA compared to Oz),
Well, not entirely - the Vanguard and Sternguard prices were both horribly skewed against us, so I bought mine from the US - as were the centurions (I believe). It's really best checked out on an individual basis with the newer kits. Wraithknight was one that worked out better to get locally since it was "close enough" to importing them in. Same with the Wraithguard if I recall correctly.
The Knight is Listed as $140, CAN 170, and AU 155.
The A4 Transfer sheet is 20. and listed as Online only.
No information on a Book.
Next weeks White Dwarf will be over Freelance Knights
surely you've switched the canadian price for the Aussie one. Or Canada has became the new red headed stepchilcd of the GW world
Hm, good point. With the listed prices above, I'd be able to buy them from a local discounter for about the same as from a US discounter, so I'd actually buy them locally! Surely a horrible mistake, then!
I'm interested to see the price, the past few releases have actually not been horribly skewed against Australia (not great mind you, just not so skewed that it's worth buying internationally, the Wraithknight is $125AUD and $115USD). However, the exchange rate has slipped slightly... so I'll be interested to see the pricing of the Imperial Knight.
FYI, at the current exchange rate, the Wraithknight is actually cheaper in Australia than the USA
Because GW have been implementing their price rises release by release, it's really only worth importing models from older releases (IG, for example, can be gotten nearly half the price in the USA compared to Oz),
Well, not entirely - the Vanguard and Sternguard prices were both horribly skewed against us, so I bought mine from the US - as were the centurions (I believe). It's really best checked out on an individual basis with the newer kits. Wraithknight was one that worked out better to get locally since it was "close enough" to importing them in. Same with the Wraithguard if I recall correctly.
Never noticed the Vanguard and Sternguard, when did they come out? I mostly noticed the Tau, Eldar and Lizardmen were all not so bad. They all came out while I was living in the US and I didn't bother buying any of them because the price difference wasn't nearly as bad as some of the other armies I collect.
Not 100% sure what the Freeblades are going to be.
But I'm thoroughly, thoroughly gutted that GW have stumbled upon the, wonderful, name of my Space Marine chapter: Angels Amaranthine.
Amaranthine;
am·a·ran·thine
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or resembling the amaranth (an imaginary flower that never fades)
2. Eternally beautiful and unfading; everlasting.
3. Deep purple-red.
Zweischneid wrote: All would have been perfectly fine, if Azrael13 would've stuck to the discussion at hand, instead of going off on groundless personal attacks for no apparent reason.
How about you both do it, 'cos its getting real dull.
Alpharius wrote:Zwei has a bit of a vested interest in creating 'controversy' and 'click throughs', and this possibly might...shade his interactions and arguments here.
If he annoys anyone too much, I suggest just using the excellent "IGNORE" feature on Dakka Dakka.
Sorry, maybe I'm a little uneducated about this whole process, but how can he have a "vested interest" or benefit from stirring the pot / trolling / "creating controversy"?
Sincere question, honestly curious... just can't see how he could get anything out of it from Dakka?
Clickthroughs to his blog.
He gets some money from the advertising, etc. No idea if he's making a living/profit off of it at this stage, or gets a lot of freebies via review copies, or so forth, but that's what Alph was referring to. A bit of a shame, when Zwei isn't being contrary, making absurd arguments and gak stirring he can be an interesting poster.
Okay, that was the answer I was looking for, just didn't understand what Alpharius was getting at.
Sorry, maybe I'm a little uneducated about this whole process, but how can he have a "vested interest" or benefit from stirring the pot / trolling / "creating controversy"?
Sincere question, honestly curious... just can't see how he could get anything out of it from Dakka?
Since it is apparently such an issue, I ask again.#
1 - I was discussing relative prices of DF Leviathans vs. GW Knights, which I believe (tell me if I am wrong) is on topic.
2 - Azrael13 "responds" with personal insults, doubting the objectivity of my comparisons.
3 - I dispute his insinuations, or ask him to at least substantiate them.
4 - Azrael13 walks away, claiming that to support his baseless insults would be feeding my "trolling".
I can't exactly follow the logic of how I am the one derailing things or stirring up controversy here. All would have been perfectly fine, if Azrael13 would've stuck to the discussion at hand, instead of going off on groundless personal attacks for no apparent reason.
No issue with you, as I think was evident from my question...and I think your "vested interest" does indeed show in your response, which support's Alpharius's opinion.
Anyway, enough OT, got the answer I was looking for...woohoo, Knights!!!
(Hey Cuda, if you're out there, I'll swap you an Imperial Knight for that Epicast one...??? Come on, make an old resin collector's day...)
But I'm thoroughly, thoroughly gutted that GW have stumbled upon the, wonderful, name of my Space Marine chapter: Angels Amaranthine.
Amaranthine;
am·a·ran·thine
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or resembling the amaranth (an imaginary flower that never fades)
2. Eternally beautiful and unfading; everlasting.
3. Deep purple-red.
Eumerin wrote: I'm mainly interested in this because it means that GW might incorporate the old Eldar Knights models into the range (scaled up and updated, of course). I know that they've already got the Wraithknight model out now, but a 28mm Bright Stallion would probably be one of the coolest looking figures out there.
I'm pretty sure they mentioned the Bright Stallion in White Dwarf when the Wraithknight came out. I seem to remember something about a 4-legged Eldar construct not meshing well with the current aesthetic, so instead they made the WK, based on the Wraithlord or Eldar Titan style.
But I'm thoroughly, thoroughly gutted that GW have stumbled upon the, wonderful, name of my Space Marine chapter: Angels Amaranthine.
Amaranthine;
am·a·ran·thine
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or resembling the amaranth (an imaginary flower that never fades)
2. Eternally beautiful and unfading; everlasting.
3. Deep purple-red.
Gutted.
I say 'stumbled upon'. I obviously mean stole.
Why is it a problem? GW have been very occassionally known to add nods to fan content. It only becomes a problem if a backstory is added or they are declared eaten by 'nids etc.
As an aside, and perhaps this isn't the right thread for this but it is pertinent to the statements others have made about where to preorder things from (and, indeed, people are likely to preorder these tomorrow) -
My local GW store manager just posted on facebook that they're moving the preorder times up from midnight to "between 6 and 7pm" on the friday. Whether that means third parties will be allowed to do likewise, or this is another move to try and undermine them (seems pretty likely) is as yet unknown...
No issue with you, as I think was evident from my question...and I think your "vested interest" does indeed show in your response, which support's Alpharius's opinion.
You really think I get clicks from Dakka?
Ha. I dare you to get me 10 clicks from dakka this month. Trust me, I don't.
Bull0 wrote: As an aside, and perhaps this isn't the right thread for this but it is pertinent to the statements others have made about where to preorder things from (and, indeed, people are likely to preorder these tomorrow) -
My local GW store manager just posted on facebook that they're moving the preorder times up from midnight to "between 6 and 7pm" on the friday. Whether that means third parties will be allowed to do likewise, or this is another move to try and undermine them (seems pretty likely) is as yet unknown...
This is what the FLGS said about the white dwarf going on sale, too.
No issue with you, as I think was evident from my question...and I think your "vested interest" does indeed show in your response, which support's Alpharius's opinion.
You really think I get clicks from Dakka?
Ha. I dare you to get me 10 clicks from dakka this month. Trust me, I don't.
Maybe if you were a little nicer you would . From what I understand, click throughs for miniature Kickstarters from Dakka are quite high. /OT
Bull0 wrote: As an aside, and perhaps this isn't the right thread for this but it is pertinent to the statements others have made about where to preorder things from (and, indeed, people are likely to preorder these tomorrow) -
My local GW store manager just posted on facebook that they're moving the preorder times up from midnight to "between 6 and 7pm" on the friday. Whether that means third parties will be allowed to do likewise, or this is another move to try and undermine them (seems pretty likely) is as yet unknown...
This is what the FLGS said about the white dwarf going on sale, too.
No issue with you, as I think was evident from my question...and I think your "vested interest" does indeed show in your response, which support's Alpharius's opinion.
You really think I get clicks from Dakka?
Ha. I dare you to get me 10 clicks from dakka this month. Trust me, I don't.
Maybe if you were a little nicer you would . From what I understand, click throughs for miniature Kickstarters from Dakka are quite high. /OT
Exalted!
Good to see that magnetizing the arms for the various gun options looks doable.
Especially with the extremely possibility of FW kits coming down the pipe.
Have to be sure to magnetize the head as well, I'd think! You really think I get clicks from Dakka?
Maybe if you were a little nicer you would . From what I understand, click throughs for miniature Kickstarters from Dakka are quite high. /OT
Again... I was discussing prices when Azreal13 started getting personal. Then I try to defend myself and mods stop the thread, allowing people like Azreal13 to sling made-up insults with impunity.
Where in that sequence should I be nicer? And I suppose I would get clicks from Dakka, when I'd actively post links to Dakka, but I don't. I am not trying to get clicks from dakka, I was trying to discuss DF Leviathan vs. GW Knight prices. Because - idiots that mistake their personal biases for facts aside - Dakka is a good place to have discussions. Indeed, I started my blog to have discussions about gaming. If I wanted to earn money, I probably would've started a blog about penis-enlargement or "how-to-get-rich-quick" or some such topic.
And seriously, it might be a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy - your 'online personality' and people clicking on your links from Dakka Dakka.
No, it's the week so far. Sorry. But yeah, it's greater 10. I was surprised myself. I don't check the stats that often.
And where is there a self-fulfilling prophecy, if I don't care about clicks. Or my "online personality". All I care about is, ya know, logic (and a certain aversion to people talking bs).
"Salutem Titan" looks more like "may i hail as a Titan" (i.e. a jussive subjunctive) since Salutem is both in the accusative case and a noun. If you want welfare/well/healthy titan from what youve written it'd have to be "Salus Titan". But that would mean more the Titan is welfare/ healthy. The proper translation into latin would be either "Salutans Titan" or "Salutatus Titan" depending on what exactly you meant by welfare.
iddy00711 wrote: "Salutem Titan" looks more like "may i hail as a Titan" (i.e. a jussive subjunctive) since Salutem is both in the accusative case and a noun. If you want welfare/well/healthy titan from what youve written it'd have to be "Salus Titan". But that would mean more the Titan is welfare/ healthy. The proper translation into latin would be either "Salutans Titan" or "Salutatus Titan" depending on what exactly you meant by welfare.
Thanks for the clarification, Google translate is not exactly known for exact accuracy.
When I said "welfare" It was a rather tongue-in-cheek way of using the term "On Welfare" as the descriptor we use here in the U.S. to denote someone who doesn't work and in generally has limited income/is sustained by the Government for various reasons. (I DO NOT want to start a discussion on welfare in this thread, the above is purely an explanation in general terms for iddy00711. I REPEAT: I DO NOT want to start a discussion about welfare in this thread. Thank you)
I was noting the fact that my income isn't great (I make due, but without going into detail I'm a first responder and LOVE seeing people run stop lights, that's your clue ) and that I'll *never* be able to afford a proper titan kit on my income with my other bills and expenses taking priority. I could scrounge for a year and buy a Warhound, but would never get the chance to use said Warhound but perhaps once a year, if that often. I'd rather save for shorter term and purchase the odd tank or sentinel kit when I need/want one.
However, I suppose I should have used "Poor Man's Titan" in the Latin, which is "Pauperis Titan" in Latin rather than "Welfare". Or perhaps "Cheap Titan" which is "Vivamus Titan" according to the translator.
I just want to denote that this is the closest I'm ever going to get to fielding an actual honest-to-goodness titan unless I hit the lottery and am able to fly my happy butt over to the U.K. and buy something directly (Because, let's face it, if you won the lottery and wanted one, you would totally go all out and go get it yourself, right? )
Anyway, much obliged for the linguistic help there iddy
I mean, "I think this model's stupid, therefore everyone else must also think that" is the kind of self-evidently dumb statement that doesn't really invite response.
That Dreamforge sale is a good'un.
Off topic, I also think the idea that Zwei shouldn't defend himself from the clickbaiting accusations is laughable, and a good example of the weird dakka gang-up culture I've seen.
If you're accusing him of something but simultaneously telling him he shouldn't reply or defend himself, whether that's by telling him "to stop" or pulling this faux-high ground "I'm above listening to your reply or discussing my accusations further" act, then all you're doing is bullying. If you're right, any defense Zwei made would be hollow, and we'd all see it. Telling him not to defend himself is pretty low.
I'm not the forum police, I just wanted to voice my dissent.
Don't play Imperial Guard so I'm not relevant when it comes to buying (not that I ever would at that price), but I personally think that either head is too small, or the hump is too big, makes it kinda funny looking up top, a bit of smallheaditis. Otherwise they captured the baby-titan feel for the Imperials pretty well.
NTRabbit wrote: Don't play Imperial Guard so I'm not relevant when it comes to buying (not that I ever would at that price), but I personally think that either head is too small, or the hump is too big, makes it kinda funny looking up top, a bit of smallheaditis. Otherwise they captured the baby-titan feel for the Imperials pretty well.
The smart money is on these being available to pretty much all Imperial armies, at least. They aren't an IG toy.
NTRabbit wrote: Don't play Imperial Guard so I'm not relevant when it comes to buying (not that I ever would at that price), but I personally think that either head is too small, or the hump is too big, makes it kinda funny looking up top, a bit of smallheaditis. Otherwise they captured the baby-titan feel for the Imperials pretty well.
The smart money is on these being available to pretty much all Imperial armies, at least. They aren't an IG toy.
I'm primarily an Eldar player with an army I haven't even finished yet, and the Dark Angels half of a DV box I bought to get templates, scatter dice and the mini rule book, so I still don't think Knights are all that relevant to me in the immediate future
Alpharius wrote: Since you'll be more interested in a Wraithknight, obviously not?
Clearly I meant Imperial Knights are not relevant to me, rather than "knights" in general. I may get that Wraithknight one day, when I find one at a reasonable price.
Was just posting to say I thought the model hit all the markers for fitting into the aesthetic, it just has an off putting tiny head.
Ya know, I have a Leviathan and while I love it I think I'll be picking up one or two of these. Of course I'll be keeping my Leviathan as my Warhound stand-in . I'm in love with the look and it'll fit my dark mechanicus to a T.
I agree, Hulk- I plan to use both for the same armies / projects (but for different things). The Mortis and the admech looking one here are really complimentary, imo, especially if you bits-up the Mortis
I think it depends on the head but I agree that they fit well with the leviathans. Additionally they seem to be perfectly in the middle size wise between the 4.5" and 8-8.5" Leviathans so it really is my perfect knight size for my "Warhound" (Leviathan mounted on a raised base to be 10" tall).
Hulk, yep, I'm also happy about the size as I plan to use the 4.5" tall ones (and maybe pose them shorter, hopefully get them just below 4"? And closer to Contemptor height) as deepstriking Ironclads in my army, and the GW model as a Knight to go with them. Should make for a very striking force.
I think your 10" tall one will work perfectly as a Warhound next to these GW models . So in the end, I'm quite happy that it's in the middle of the Dreamforge offerings, after all... more options to make awesome stuff, rather than a straight stand-in.
Quick question- is there anything keeping a Knight from walking on as a reserve, instead of deploying on the table?
Its called a rapid fire battle cannon but the stats put it at Ordinance 2. So only 2 shots
So what is the problem. A battle cannon fires at ordnance 1, and the rapid-fire battle cannon fires at ordnance 2 for double the shots. Sounds rapid-firey to me.
Back on topic( although following the Latin discussion earlier, I'm now in the mood to watch Life of Brian), I do like the Black and Silver colour scheme although I am more tempted by a red scheme.
Its been awhile since I did large flat areas in red so I may have to practice on something else first.
Damned shame that there's no other arm. I realise a fist wouldn't reach the ground, but a big power lance would've been nice.
That's a good call!
It has been so long since I played a game of SPACE MARINE/TITAN LEGIONS, I forgot about that option!
Maybe that's the direction FW will go with their first add-on kit?
Though I'd much prefer that the lance be in plastic, and not resin...
Well the Lances were for Knight Lancers, which was a different type of Knight, with a different type of body. The should have included the fist option since they included the Melta, to make Knight Errant.
If these sell well I wonder if they will make the other classes too?
The shock lance that all knights had isn't mentioned specifically, but maybe thats why they get all those close combat special rules.
These look awesome and that new faceplate looks great, although I prefer the exposed mechanical skull look myself.
The giant chainsword is and isn't a problem for me. It looks a wee bit on the small side, but at the same time it's at a perfect height to strike similarly sized or bigger opponents. I figure anything smaller (like those killa kans) would just get stomped on.
Wow, fairly broken a little. Nice looking Warmachine models. I don't think I will be playing them, they are a bit too OP. My Spartan is 340 and not near as powerful as these things. One wont be too bad, if someone were to field an army of them in a friendly pick up game, I am picking up my stuff and finding a new opponent. An army of them would be interesting for a special scenario where I could build a force in advance specifically to deal with it but I cant think of a TAC list that could handle them that I use.
cincydooley wrote: Does anyone happen to have a photo of the 15mm scale Dreamforge Titan next to some of the GW Kits, say a contemport, Riptide, Wraithknight, etc....?
Would love to see that!
Dreadnoughts 2.25 to 3.25" (GW & FW)
15mm DF 4.6" (from their website)
Trygon 5.25"
Nemesis about 6"
IK 6" (best guess by community)
Lord of Skulls 6.5"
DF 28mm model 8.5"
Riptide 8.75" (base to backpack)
Eldar WK 9"
FW smallest titan 10.5"
cincydooley wrote: Does anyone happen to have a photo of the 15mm scale Dreamforge Titan next to some of the GW Kits, say a contemport, Riptide, Wraithknight, etc....?
Would love to see that!
Dreadnoughts 2.25 to 3.25" (GW & FW)
15mm DF 4.6" (from their website)
Trygon 5.25"
Nemesis about 6"
IK 6" (best guess by community)
Lord of Skulls 6.5"
DF 28mm model 8.5"
Riptide 8.75" (base to backpack)
Eldar WK 9"
FW smallest titan 10.5"
There are picks way back in posts.....
So based on that it sounds like the DF 15mm Leviathans will be too small to work as knights? Blah. Size wise that makes them good for what? Absolutely nothing?
cincydooley wrote: Does anyone happen to have a photo of the 15mm scale Dreamforge Titan next to some of the GW Kits, say a contemport, Riptide, Wraithknight, etc....?
Would love to see that!
Dreadnoughts 2.25 to 3.25" (GW & FW)
15mm DF 4.6" (from their website)
Trygon 5.25"
Nemesis about 6"
IK 6" (best guess by community)
Lord of Skulls 6.5"
DF 28mm model 8.5"
Riptide 8.75" (base to backpack)
Eldar WK 9"
FW smallest titan 10.5"
There are picks way back in posts.....
So based on that it sounds like the DF 15mm Leviathans will be too small to work as knights? Blah. Size wise that makes them good for what? Absolutely nothing?
Dreadknights and if you hunker it down a bit contemptors. That's what the 4.5" leviathan is good for counts-as. And it looks good like that. Alternatively for those of use that like to make cohesive looking allied units it's also good on an elevated stand as a riptide.
Shandara wrote: Now why can't Sisters take one.. Time to loot one.
Sisters can. Up to 3 as an ally.
We do not know if Sisters can take one. One rumor said they would be available to every forces of the Imperium, another rumor said store manager were send a note saying they would be available to Imperial Guard and the 5 Space Marines army (there are six SM armies if you count Chaos Marines. BROKEN !)
Shandara wrote: Now why can't Sisters take one.. Time to loot one.
Sisters can. Up to 3 as an ally.
We do not know if Sisters can take one. One rumor said they would be available to every forces of the Imperium, another rumor said store manager were send a note saying they would be available to Imperial Guard and the six Space Marines army (there are seven SM armies if you count Chaos Marines. BROKEN !)
You don't count Chaos Marines as a "Space Marine" army.
Plus there's only 4 Space Marine armies anyways.
Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, and Space Marines.
Grey Knights are their 'own' faction that is part of the Imperium, same as Sisters of Battle being their own faction that is part of the Imperium.
From the wording of the White Dwarf snippet which is on the front page--you'll be able to take them though.
Kanluwen wrote: You don't count Chaos Marines as a "Space Marine" army.
I do. Why should I not ? The only infantry they have that is not space marines is cultist, and maybe some chaos spawn.
Kanluwen wrote: Grey Knights are their 'own' faction that is part of the Imperium, same as Sisters of Battle being their own faction that is part of the Imperium.
And Blood Angels are their own faction that is part of the Imperium too. They are still marines. Grey Knights are space marines because they have the same implants as other marines, and they are even called a chapter. They have been included into many lists of chapters.
Sisters are not marines because of a lot of obvious reasons that you should be able to find out on your own.
According to my local GW store manager info will be formally releases on the GW website tomorrow evening, New release updates are done on the websites last thing workday Fridays which is 7pm for website staff. Formal release date is this Saturday.
Kanluwen wrote: You don't count Chaos Marines as a "Space Marine" army.
I do. Why should I not ? The only infantry they have that is not space marines is cultist, and maybe some chaos spawn.
Kanluwen wrote: Grey Knights are their 'own' faction that is part of the Imperium, same as Sisters of Battle being their own faction that is part of the Imperium.
And Blood Angels are their own faction that is part of the Imperium too. They are still marines. Grey Knights are space marines because they have the same implants as other marines, and they are even called a chapter. They have been included into many lists of chapters. Sisters are not marines because of a lot of obvious reasons that you should be able to find out on your own.
The fire base support cadre dataslate has this which might help
Bane of Angels: All units in this formation have the Preferred Enemy (Space Marines) special rule. However, all enemy Space Marine units have the Hatred (Tau Firebase Support Cadre) special rule. The category ‘Space Marines’ comprises all units taken from the following codexes: Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Grey Knights and Space Wolves.
cincydooley wrote: Does anyone happen to have a photo of the 15mm scale Dreamforge Titan next to some of the GW Kits, say a contemport, Riptide, Wraithknight, etc....?
Would love to see that!
I took a few with a riptide next to the 28 mm version here
NTRabbit wrote: Don't play Imperial Guard so I'm not relevant when it comes to buying (not that I ever would at that price), but I personally think that either head is too small, or the hump is too big, makes it kinda funny looking up top, a bit of smallheaditis. Otherwise they captured the baby-titan feel for the Imperials pretty well.
Agree on the small head, although will want to see the model in person before making a final decision. Making the head the size of the head cowling would make it big enough for the pilot to fit into. Might be something for third party producers to look into. I'm sure alternate heads would be popular.
Might be fun to modify the skull head on the red one and give it four light sabers (General Grievous).
cincydooley wrote: Does anyone happen to have a photo of the 15mm scale Dreamforge Titan next to some of the GW Kits, say a contemport, Riptide, Wraithknight, etc....?
Would love to see that!
I took a few with a riptide next to the 28 mm version here
Eumerin wrote: I'm mainly interested in this because it means that GW might incorporate the old Eldar Knights models into the range (scaled up and updated, of course). I know that they've already got the Wraithknight model out now, but a 28mm Bright Stallion would probably be one of the coolest looking figures out there.
I'm pretty sure they mentioned the Bright Stallion in White Dwarf when the Wraithknight came out. I seem to remember something about a 4-legged Eldar construct not meshing well with the current aesthetic, so instead they made the WK, based on the Wraithlord or Eldar Titan style.
What a cop-out. "Current aesthetic" for the Eldar would involve a Wraithknight with anti-grav engines instead of legs.
On a more serious note, there's nothing wrong with it not being quite "right". The old Eldar Knights aren't built by the craftworlds. They're built and used by the Exodites, who then loan them out to the Craftworlds when needed. There's none of that absurdity about a soulstoned twin. It shouldn't be a surprise that they look a bit different than the rest of the Eldar army.
Lockark wrote: Do we know who can the freeblade knights ally with? Can I take them in my Chaos armies? Or maby even some xeno armies like Tau and stuff?
O.o
(A proper rule set for chaos knights would be preferable, but i won't complain!)
if you don't play an imperial army I'd not hold my breath
The ebook goes up for preorder on the 22nd. I expect the ebook available for download a week after that. The printed book (and I expect a printed book as this supports a new model kit) would be available about three months later (if the ebook/printed book pattern used for supplements holds true).
Therion wrote: Holy crap the Knight looks nice in black.
Yeah, that was my thought as well. Black will also go reasonably well with my Imperial Guard and/or Space Wolves. Though blue looks kind of cool too, hmmm, decisions, I suck at them, lol.
This will be easy enough to buy 1 kit & magnetized the right arm weapon, so you can play test both options & change arm when facing different foes...best of both worlds.... Now just to convert chainsword 2x bigger...
1.) Just for the record, in case some people missed it: The smaller (DIN A 5) decal sheet is included in the kit, the bigger (DIN A 4) sheet is the extra for 20$.
2.) We will probably see conversion kits and alternative arms from Forge World. They usually do such things.
3.) This is what you get from Warmachines for almost exactly the same price (5$ less, 120mm base):
"...say Jervis Johnson, his deep sonorous voice filling the White Dwarf hobby room as he speaks."
I mean, we're just going to let that one go?
We're okay with that?!?
They're describing how JJ is describing something?
Saw that and it made me chuckle.
I have never heard audio of Jervis Johnson, but that description makes me think of Barry White singing a love song to the Knight model. Maybe I'll put some Barry White on while I unbox this model--you know, while I am playing with my bits and such.
Breotan wrote: When it became popular to hate on all things Games Workshop.
In a thread that's had almost all the die-hard anti-GW people declaring how much they like the new Knight model.
Yeah...
I know, right? The snark is uncalled for, Breotan- almost everybody recognizes that GW nailed this model, it's just a question of cost for many people. I'll definitely be getting one at some point
I know, right? The snark is uncalled for, Breotan- almost everybody recognizes that GW nailed this model, it's just a question of cost for many people. I'll definitely be getting one at some point
I'm neither for, nor against GW. I like the game, enjoy it with my friends, and the hobby in general in extremely calming and a great way to relax and unwind after a stressful day.
That said, I too will be getting my 'welfare titan' at some point in the nearish future. I want another big model to paint up after I finish the Shadowsword I've got waiting in the wings off.
It's a great looking model and I for one am very much looking forward to getting my hands on it and painting it up.
I don't think they will be, though as that would allow folks to save money / build omni-kits for when the rules update, and thus not have to re-buy models
RiTides wrote: I don't think they will be, though as that would allow folks to save money / build omni-kits for when the rules update, and thus not have to re-buy models
magnetize those arms on at the shoulder joint. buy bits when later/new weapons (i.e. giant fist & gatling weapon) kits go on ebay....
Harriticus wrote: Well these are are about as stupidly expensive as I expected
So,..
If you find the price too high... Don't buy it?
Or, if you want one, and find the price too high, scratch build one?
Or, if you don't have the ability/knowhow/desire to scratch build one, and don't want to buy one at the listed price, get a third party model to represent one that's cheaper?
I'm failing to see how your statement adds anything to the discussion here.
Harriticus wrote: Well these are are about as stupidly expensive as I expected
So,..
If you find the price too high... Don't buy it?
Or, if you want one, and find the price too high, scratch build one?
Or, if you don't have the ability/knowhow/desire to scratch build one, and don't want to buy one at the listed price, get a third party model to represent one that's cheaper?
I'm failing to see how your statement adds anything to the discussion here.
Just thought I'd ask, what's your point?
-RT-
He is saying the same thing a lot of people are saying. Its an expensive kit. Its pretty obvious what his point is. What is the point of you calling him out for it? Besides being that guy?
He is saying the same thing a lot of people are saying. Its an expensive kit. Its pretty obvious what his point is. What is the point of you calling him out for it? Besides being that guy?
I'm not asking him what he's saying, I'm asking him why phrase it that way; I.E. insinuating that people who do purchase it at the listed price are stupid. The price is now well known. If it's too high for him, great, then say "It's too expensive, I'll pass on it." instead of saying something derogatory to those who *DON'T* think it's 'stupidly' expensive.
I find the kit to be expensive, but I enjoy the hobby (as I said previously in this thread) and derive enjoyment from not only playing, but modeling and painting in general. The expense is warranted (large, detailed kit) and while I won't be buying more than one, the amount of enjoyment that *I* will get out of this kit is well worth the $140.00 price tag. If you (Or ANYONE else) disagrees with that opinion, great! Just don't insinuate that people who do find the price acceptable are stupid for being willing to pay for it.
Call me that guy if you want, I'm going to call someone on bad behavior when I see it. If you don't like that, then kindly ignore me.
BladeWalker wrote: They are pure win. I will take two please. Grey Knight bling mode for me.
Oddly enough for me, I'm really liking the black scheme ("House Raven"?). I've just rung my FLGS and reserved a copy of the relevant WD.
Now just bring on the FW conversions...
I do love the black as well, my Black Legion would love to have a few but my Chaos forces are growing beyond the Imperials, this is just the reinforcement they needed!
On a side note, every time I say Rapid Fire Battle Cannon I have to go "mwuahahahahhahahaha" for some reason?
He is saying the same thing a lot of people are saying. Its an expensive kit. Its pretty obvious what his point is. What is the point of you calling him out for it? Besides being that guy?
I'm not asking him what he's saying, I'm asking him why phrase it that way; I.E. insinuating that people who do purchase it at the listed price are stupid. The price is now well known. If it's too high for him, great, then say "It's too expensive, I'll pass on it." instead of saying something derogatory to those who *DON'T* think it's 'stupidly' expensive.
I find the kit to be expensive, but I enjoy the hobby (as I said previously in this thread) and derive enjoyment from not only playing, but modeling and painting in general. The expense is warranted (large, detailed kit) and while I won't be buying more than one, the amount of enjoyment that *I* will get out of this kit is well worth the $140.00 price tag. If you (Or ANYONE else) disagrees with that opinion, great! Just don't insinuate that people who do find the price acceptable are stupid for being willing to pay for it.
Call me that guy if you want, I'm going to call someone on bad behavior when I see it. If you don't like that, then kindly ignore me.
Thanks.
-RT-
Where in his statement does he attacks other people?
Let me translate it for you "How stupid from GW to price it so high"
I am a collector first and most too, but i pass on a lot of miniatures/models because of their price point.
(especially here in Japan where there are soo many cool mecha models and scantily clad lady figures coming out) .
On and i love the design of the knights finally one that hits it on the mark.
Red__Thirst wrote: I.E. insinuating that people who do purchase it at the listed price are stupid.
Are you looking for something to be offended by? Because that's not even remotely what he said.
Not offended here in the slightest, rest assured Insaniak.
He's entitled to his opinion, and I respect it, though I don't agree with it and how it was phrased as I said. I then expressed my opinion on that as well.
Lockark wrote: Do we know who can the freeblade knights ally with? Can I take them in my Chaos armies? Or maby even some xeno armies like Tau and stuff?
O.o
(A proper rule set for chaos knights would be preferable, but i won't complain!)
if you don't play an imperial army I'd not hold my breath
This talk about "Freeblades" knight houses makes it sound other wise. All the fluff in the leaked pages makes it clear that knights come in 3 flavours. Imperial, ad-mec, and the "Freeblades" who "have no masters except for them selves".
It sounds like the Knights are going to have a pretty lose ally chart like most other factions in 40k right now. They might be battle brothers with the imp factions, but it comes across that we might see them as allies of convenience or desperate allies for chaos and Xenos factions. (well. cept nids.)
Lockark wrote: ...and the "Freeblades" who "have no masters except for them selves".
You missed the part immediately before that phrase.
They still fight for the Imperium. They just don't consider themselves a vassal of it.
It sounds to me like the differences between the three types of houses are going to be purely cosmetic.
Just to be clear: I don't think asking if these will be available to none imperial armies is unreasonable. The amount of sarcasm and nay-sayers to a legit question isn't called for IMHO.
It dose not say they fight for the imperium, says they fight for "humanity". Witch to me implies that they could be fighting along side Tau and Eldar if they felt that doing so benefited humanity. Sounds alot like the "forge the narrative" stuff GW has been throwing around all this edition.
They are also not being treated as a unit you just take as a part of your army. They are 1-3 guys you take as part of a allied detachment! This implies they will have their own ally matrix stating who can take them as allies and if they are battle brothers, allies of convenience, or untrusted allies to your faction.
I don't think it's unreasonable thus that we may see a fairly open ally matrix for them.
I will also point out that my CSM can take Imperial Gaurd as a ally detachment and vice versa. So just because they have imperial in the name doesn't mean they will not be available to chaos players. When we knew allies were comeing i remember alot of people didn't think they would allow IG and CSM for the same reasons.
Comparison shot with Towering Destroyer, DG 5.5" Resin Crusader and Trygon. GW Knight and resin Crusader look to have heads at approximately the same height because the Crusader has less hump.
Lockark wrote: It dose not say they fight for the imperium, says they fight for "humanity". Witch to me implies that they could be fighting along side Tau and Eldar if they felt that doing so benefited humanity.
That's a stretch. In 40K terms, fighting for mankind means fighting for the Imperium.
I would expect a fairly similar allies matrix to Guard, personally. So yes, it's possible that there will be an option for Chaos... although it's equally likely that they decide to reserve the big beastie Chaos slot for the Khornemower.
Lockark wrote: It dose not say they fight for the imperium, says they fight for "humanity". Witch to me implies that they could be fighting along side Tau and Eldar if they felt that doing so benefited humanity.
That's a stretch. In 40K terms, fighting for mankind means fighting for the Imperium.
I would expect a fairly similar allies matrix to Guard, personally. So yes, it's possible that there will be an option for Chaos... although it's equally likely that they decide to reserve the big beastie Chaos slot for the Khornemower.
cept you know. it straight up said they don't take orders from the imperium. But i guess I'm stretching.
So based on that it sounds like the DF 15mm Leviathans will be too small to work as knights? Blah. Size wise that makes them good for what? Absolutely nothing?
GK Dreadknights. Which is why they exist in the first place.
Lockark wrote: cept you know. it straight up said they don't take orders from the imperium. ...
No it doesn't. It says they don't consider anyone their master. That just makes them mercenaries... but it doesn't mean they hire themselves out to non-humans.
Azazelx wrote: Looks good. Still waiting on the official AU price so I know if I'll get one locally, or via the US importers...
Sadly, I think it's going to be hard to beat the US importers for us Aussies....it really has gone beyond a joke.
I haven't bought a GW model in years (unless you class 2nd-hand old Armorcast / Epicast etc models as "GW") - it's says a lot that one of these Knights will be a purchase.
I tend to buy in bulk a couple of times a year (usually from DGS) in order to negate the shipping as much as possible. Once actual prices are revealed, I'll be able to work out if they're like Dreadknights or like Vanguard/Sternguard
If you've got any UK eBay sources with a decent discount, please feel free to PM me. I've never been lucky enough to find any. Mostly these days I buy non-GW stuff, but I still do get their stuff from alternate sources like eBay etc.
Well, not entirely - the Vanguard and Sternguard prices were both horribly skewed against us, so I bought mine from the US - as were the centurions (I believe). It's really best checked out on an individual basis with the newer kits. Wraithknight was one that worked out better to get locally since it was "close enough" to importing them in. Same with the Wraithguard if I recall correctly.
Never noticed the Vanguard and Sternguard, when did they come out? I mostly noticed the Tau, Eldar and Lizardmen were all not so bad. They all came out while I was living in the US and I didn't bother buying any of them because the price difference wasn't nearly as bad as some of the other armies I collect.
They came out with the SM codex late last year. I'll have to work out price comparisons with the Eldar and some of the bigger lizardmen beasties shortly.
Lizardmen Bastiladon US$60/AU$90
After discount and currency conversions: US$46.80 + postage (AU$52 + post) vs AU$72 (20% disc) - easy US purchase.
Lizardman Stegadon US$57.75/AU$83
After discount and currency conversions: US$38.61 + postage (AU$43 + post vs AU$66.40 (20% disc) - another easy US purchase.
Eldar WraithKnight US$115/AU$125
After discount and currency conversions: US$89.70 + postage (AU$100 + post) vs AU$100 (20% disc) - a local purchase.
Eldar Wraithguard US$50/AU$55
After discount and currency conversions: US$39 + postage (AU$43.50 + post) vs AU$44 (20% disc) - another local purchase.
Space Marine Vanguard US40/AU$65
After discount and currency conversions: US$31.20 + postage (AU$35 + post) vs AU$52 (20% disc) - easy US purchase.
Space Marine Sternguard US$50/AU$70
After discount and currency conversions: US$39 + postage (AU$43.50 + post) vs AU$56 (20% disc) - easy US purchase. again.
All of those kits are pretty recent, and so the Knight kit could fall on either side of the fence.
I think this is what will happen: The first week will be rules for the first houses, and the next week will be rules for Freeblades specifically. They will also come out with a digital version, a small "codex" for all of it, if not the first week then perhaps the second or third week. There will only be one kit, the kit released the first week, for all the houses. Because you all should know GW by now. If they suprised us by doing one more kit for just the Freeblades it would be almost unbelievable. Also, perhaps the rules will include joining other armies or models in to Knights when played as a primary force.
Azazelx wrote: If you've got any UK eBay sources with a decent discount, please feel free to PM me. I've never been lucky enough to find any. Mostly these days I buy non-GW stuff, but I still do get their stuff from alternate sources like eBay etc.
Well, not entirely - the Vanguard and Sternguard prices were both horribly skewed against us, so I bought mine from the US - as were the centurions (I believe). It's really best checked out on an individual basis with the newer kits. Wraithknight was one that worked out better to get locally since it was "close enough" to importing them in. Same with the Wraithguard if I recall correctly.
Never noticed the Vanguard and Sternguard, when did they come out? I mostly noticed the Tau, Eldar and Lizardmen were all not so bad. They all came out while I was living in the US and I didn't bother buying any of them because the price difference wasn't nearly as bad as some of the other armies I collect.
They came out with the SM codex late last year. I'll have to work out price comparisons with the Eldar and some of the bigger lizardmen beasties shortly.
Lizardmen Bastiladon US$60/AU$90
After discount and currency conversions: US$46.80 + postage (AU$52 + post) vs AU$72 (20% disc) - easy US purchase.
Lizardman Stegadon US$57.75/AU$83
After discount and currency conversions: US$38.61 + postage (AU$43 + post vs AU$66.40 (20% disc) - another easy US purchase.
Eldar WraithKnight US$115/AU$125
After discount and currency conversions: US$89.70 + postage (AU$100 + post) vs AU$100 (20% disc) - a local purchase.
Eldar Wraithguard US$50/AU$55
After discount and currency conversions: US$39 + postage (AU$43.50 + post) vs AU$44 (20% disc) - another local purchase.
Space Marine Vanguard US40/AU$65
After discount and currency conversions: US$31.20 + postage (AU$35 + post) vs AU$52 (20% disc) - easy US purchase.
Space Marine Sternguard US$50/AU$70
After discount and currency conversions: US$39 + postage (AU$43.50 + post) vs AU$56 (20% disc) - easy US purchase. again.
All of those kits are pretty recent, and so the Knight kit could fall on either side of the fence.
Lol why do you guys in Oz get smashed on prices over there? It's a bit ridiculous.
On topic, I can honestly see myself buying one of these. Would be pretty cool to see it have a clash against my brother's Trygon (while of course, having Pacific Rim theme blasting in the background)
If you've got any UK eBay sources with a decent discount, please feel free to PM me. I've never been lucky enough to find any. Mostly these days I buy non-GW stuff, but I still do get their stuff from alternate sources like eBay etc.
Well, not entirely - the Vanguard and Sternguard prices were both horribly skewed against us, so I bought mine from the US - as were the centurions (I believe). It's really best checked out on an individual basis with the newer kits. Wraithknight was one that worked out better to get locally since it was "close enough" to importing them in. Same with the Wraithguard if I recall correctly.
Never noticed the Vanguard and Sternguard, when did they come out? I mostly noticed the Tau, Eldar and Lizardmen were all not so bad. They all came out while I was living in the US and I didn't bother buying any of them because the price difference wasn't nearly as bad as some of the other armies I collect.
They came out with the SM codex late last year. I'll have to work out price comparisons with the Eldar and some of the bigger lizardmen beasties shortly.
Lizardmen Bastiladon US$60/AU$90 After discount and currency conversions: US$46.80 + postage (AU$52 + post) vs AU$72 (20% disc) - easy US purchase.
Lizardman Stegadon US$57.75/AU$83 After discount and currency conversions: US$38.61 + postage (AU$43 + post vs AU$66.40 (20% disc) - another easy US purchase.
Eldar WraithKnight US$115/AU$125 After discount and currency conversions: US$89.70 + postage (AU$100 + post) vs AU$100 (20% disc) - a local purchase.
Eldar Wraithguard US$50/AU$55 After discount and currency conversions: US$39 + postage (AU$43.50 + post) vs AU$44 (20% disc) - another local purchase.
Space Marine Vanguard US40/AU$65 After discount and currency conversions: US$31.20 + postage (AU$35 + post) vs AU$52 (20% disc) - easy US purchase.
Space Marine Sternguard US$50/AU$70 After discount and currency conversions: US$39 + postage (AU$43.50 + post) vs AU$56 (20% disc) - easy US purchase. again.
All of those kits are pretty recent, and so the Knight kit could fall on either side of the fence.
Your easy US purchase of the Basti would be borderline for me. For one, you'd never get that exchange rate (if you do, please tell me who you do transactions with, lol). Realistically that $46.8 would be more like $55 + postage. Then the fact you're ordering from overseas makes it more annoying (I've had broken bits and heavily dented stuff when ordering from the US, also the delivery time difference, so the price difference needs to be large before I'll do it). The Basti is also the largest price discrepancy of the Lizardmen release. The Stegadon is older, but of the actual recent Lizard releases, the Basti is $60 vs $90 (50%), Carno is $85 vs $100 (17.6%), Terradons $60 vs $80 (33%), Tetto'eko $50 vs $55 (10%), Skink Priest $20 vs $22 (10%), Gor Rok is $25 in both countries (parity!),
So other than the Basti, the Lizardmen US prices of the latest release aren't actually that far off the Australian prices, given the current exchange rate is 0.9 (and realistically less for us mere mortals who don't get the spot rate), some things are actually cheaper in Oz even before postage and handling is considered. Most the Lizardmen stuff that is much more expensive in Oz comes from older releases.
I just wonder what sort of distinction we'll see between the three flavors of knight households. It just strikes me that fluff wise everything other than Mechanicum Knights will need an explanation and justifiably feasible way to be so autonomous. I also wonder if there will be included any units besides the knights themselves. Without any other units in the army list the they will need some other sorts of rules and ways to represent the differences.
Harriticus wrote: Well these are are about as stupidly expensive as I expected
So,..
If you find the price too high... Don't buy it?
Or, if you want one, and find the price too high, scratch build one?
Or, if you don't have the ability/knowhow/desire to scratch build one, and don't want to buy one at the listed price, get a third party model to represent one that's cheaper?
I'm failing to see how your statement adds anything to the discussion here.
Just thought I'd ask, what's your point?
-RT-
I'm saying its too expensive and a ripoff. Stop being so sensitive.
Is there any information about wether or not they will release the lancers as well? I am really loving the look of the kit, but I'd like to have access to the other varients of the Knights as well .
Nocturus wrote: Is there any information about wether or not they will release the lancers as well? I am really loving the look of the kit, but I'd like to have access to the other varients of the Knights as well .
Noc
I reckon Lancers, along with Crusaders and/or Castellans, will be a FW release.
So based on that it sounds like the DF 15mm Leviathans will be too small to work as knights? Blah. Size wise that makes them good for what? Absolutely nothing?
Wouldn't be too hard to stretch the 15mm Leviathan by an inch with some clever basing and extending some parts a bit. The 28mm could be shrunken, too, but unfortunately the 28mm weapons seem a bit too large to fit a Knight.
@Red__Thirst
Hah google translate is bad in every language, i'd avoid it and buy a cheap english to latin dictionary (or go greek).
I have no idea how it gave you "Vivamus Titan" (Let us live, O Titan) which suggest a strong degree of romance lol.
Pauperis is a good epithet, but Titan Miserorum (Titan of miseries) is much better since it has an ambiguous meaning of either it is miserable or as the causer of miseries.
Other alternatives are...
Titan Plebis (Titan of the people)
Titan Vulgaris ( The Common Titan)
Blatta Titanis (The Roaches Titan)
.
Are you very imaginative, or were you raised by a strange sect ?
cincydooley wrote: Chaos Space Marines are not considered a "Space Marine" army by any rules GW or FW have made.
I think you are confusing GW and FW with Privateer Press. Privateer Press cares about that kind of differentiation, and each unit has a list of qualifiers as part of his name, resulting in so many “Trollblood trollkin something” and “Trollblood trollkin whatever”. GW handwaves it, and you can go Forge that Narrative yourself if you care. They will handwave at it.
So, forget about rules. Fluffwise, Chaos Marines are Space Marines, hence Chaos Marines is yet another Space Marine army.
though that it might contain hidden information or something, do i did go through the trouble to put it in a Binary translator.
Uh ? Binary translator ? What the bloody damn hell is that ?
It is not like Binary translator meant something, just about every software you use takes something in binary and “translates” it into something else for you : text editors do that, music or video players do that too, web browsers also do that, …
Lol why do you guys in Oz get smashed on prices over there? It's a bit ridiculous.
On topic, I can honestly see myself buying one of these. Would be pretty cool to see it have a clash against my brother's Trygon (while of course, having Pacific Rim theme blasting in the background)
Your easy US purchase of the Basti would be borderline for me. For one, you'd never get that exchange rate (if you do, please tell me who you do transactions with, lol). Realistically that $46.8 would be more like $55 + postage. Then the fact you're ordering from overseas makes it more annoying (I've had broken bits and heavily dented stuff when ordering from the US, also the delivery time difference, so the price difference needs to be large before I'll do it). The Basti is also the largest price discrepancy of the Lizardmen release. The Stegadon is older, but of the actual recent Lizard releases, the Basti is $60 vs $90 (50%), Carno is $85 vs $100 (17.6%), Terradons $60 vs $80 (33%), Tetto'eko $50 vs $55 (10%), Skink Priest $20 vs $22 (10%), Gor Rok is $25 in both countries (parity!),
So other than the Basti, the Lizardmen US prices of the latest release aren't actually that far off the Australian prices, given the current exchange rate is 0.9 (and realistically less for us mere mortals who don't get the spot rate), some things are actually cheaper in Oz even before postage and handling is considered. Most the Lizardmen stuff that is much more expensive in Oz comes from older releases.
Um, that's the price I get from Discount Games Store and today's exchange rate. I compare those prices to my local Semi-FLGS that does 20% off GW factional. There's a small currency conversion fee, but it's pretty negligible. Even if the difference is $17 rather than $20 we're talking about a huge percentage of the kit's price. Moreover, when I'm talking about easy choices to import or not, I'm talking about my own opinion and for myself. The kits I looked at are ones I'm either interested in buying personally or have already bought - so not cherry-picking random kits to make a point. The $20 savings on the Basti kit makes up for a huge chunk of the postage, since I order several hundred bucks worth of stuff in a go to minimise the impact of the postage from US>here. More to the point, if you don't want to order stuff from the US, then don't. Don't ever if that's your preference. It's no skin off my nose and I don't in fact care one iota...
Speaking for myself, I'm interested in getting three of these Knights. If the price is DreadKnightish, I'll buy them locally. If the price is Bastiladonian, I'll buy them from the States. Simples!
iddy00711 wrote: @Red__Thirst
Hah google translate is bad in every language, i'd avoid it and buy a cheap english to latin dictionary (or go greek).
I have no idea how it gave you "Vivamus Titan" (Let us live, O Titan) which suggest a strong degree of romance lol.
Pauperis is a good epithet, but Titan Miserorum (Titan of miseries) is much better since it has an ambiguous meaning of either it is miserable or as the causer of miseries.
Other alternatives are...
Titan Plebis (Titan of the people)
Titan Vulgaris ( The Common Titan)
Blatta Titanis (The Roaches Titan)
Interesting, very very interesting. Thank you for the linguistic help there Iddy, it is greatly appreciated.
I'm mostly looking for a way to say "Poor Man's Titan" in Latin similar to how GW uses latin to name different factions. I.E. Adeptus Astartes/Sororitas/Mechanicum, etc.
Another way I could find humor in the name is finding out if there's a latin translation for the word "Scrappy", a-la scrappy do of cartoon fame.
If I can figure out the rough translation I also would like to have the following statement scrawled upon my knight's armor plating in latin script: "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the side of the fight in the dog". Owing to the fact that while it is a massive war machine, it's still small compared to even a Warhound titan.
Just my thoughts on that end, thanks again for the input/information there Iddy
sennacherib wrote: i am going to continue grumbling about the lack of a chaos titan beyond the khornmower.
Cool looking model though.
It is not a titan and we don't yet know if chaos can use them. there might be a dark mec dataslate in the future.
There are two chaos Titans on the FW page they exist they are just out of reach for most folks.
Azazelx wrote: Um, that's the price I get from Discount Games Store and today's exchange rate. I compare those prices to my local Semi-FLGS that does 20% off GW factional. There's a small currency conversion fee, but it's pretty negligible. Even if the difference is $17 rather than $20 we're talking about a huge percentage of the kit's price. Moreover, when I'm talking about easy choices to import or not, I'm talking about my own opinion and for myself. The kits I looked at are ones I'm either interested in buying personally or have already bought - so not cherry-picking random kits to make a point. The $20 savings on the Basti kit makes up for a huge chunk of the postage, since I order several hundred bucks worth of stuff in a go to minimise the impact of the postage from US>here. More to the point, if you don't want to order stuff from the US, then don't. Don't ever if that's your preference. It's no skin off my nose and I don't in fact care one iota...
Speaking for myself, I'm interested in getting three of these Knights. If the price is DreadKnightish, I'll buy them locally. If the price is Bastiladonian, I'll buy them from the States. Simples!
I think you missed my points.
Primary point: Most the newer releases haven't been a rip off compared to US prices. Though the Dwarfs aren't great, I wonder if that is because the exchange rate has fallen recently, GW might not have wanted to gamble on it.
The Basti is the worst of the Lizardmen new releases. GW is not consistent, some things are still crap, but for the most part I think among newer releases, they've been equalising the prices between the US and Australia. The Lizardmen, only the Basti was really skewed, everything else is not all that bad, with several things being cheaper at the current exchange rate. I don't know all the recent releases, but I see the Riptide, the Sunshark, the Wraithknight, the Crimson Hunter, Wraithguard. I didn't cherry pick those, they are just the first things that came to mind and all are very similar price in Australia to the US, some things cheaper, some things more expensive. Nothing worth importing.
Secondary point: You don't get the exchange rate that you see when you type in "1 usd to aud" in google. If you do, I'd love to know who you bank with, lol. The best I've gotten is about 1-2c worse, and that was not going through my bank, it was sending several thousand dollars through an exchange broker. The best my bank will give me is typically 3-4c worse, so it's not $46.8USD for a Basti = $52AUD + shipping, realistically it's more like $54 + shipping. IMO, once you include the increased shipping time and the annoyance if you get damaged parts, I'd be flipping a coin whether to bother getting it from the US.
Tertiary point which was a while back and kind of gotten lost now: I'm interested to see the Australian price given the exchange rate has now fallen since the Lizardmen/Tau/Eldar, all of which weren't terribly skewed against Oz.
Whether or not it's overall worth buying from the US was never one of my points I have bought stuff from the states, I was living over there for a while and bought a lot of stuff back with me (along with clothes, shoes and a car ), I'm very tempted to do a big IG order before they come out as they are MASSIVELY cheaper in the US. However the discussion originated from speculation on what the Knight price would be, lol, and that's really the only part relevant to this thread.
According to WD Weekly (store had it early), the head, arms (with pistons), stubber and shield are 'moving parts', the legs don't seem to be.
In terms of fluff differentiation between the three types, it says that '(Imperial houses) trade openly with the Imperium and march to war alongside their armies, they retain a fierce independence.' The Ad-Mech Knights seem to have close ties with the AM out of mutual benefits (AM want Knight Tech, Knights want AM supplies from Forge Worlds). It describes the Freeblades as 'setting out on their own, wandering the stars in search of purpose... or offering protection to those who need it.'
Nothing rules-wise about the differentiation, but that fluff makes it clear the Freeblades owe no allegiance to the Imperium.
Sweet, thanks for these! Did they post what the pics came from... not white dwarf, seemingly?
The pictures actually do look like they're from White Dwarf. The WIP shot has a tiny sliver of white at the upper right hand corner which suggests the picture is part of an article.
In terms of fluff differentiation between the three types, it says that '(Imperial houses) trade openly with the Imperium and march to war alongside their armies, they retain a fierce independence.' The Ad-Mech Knights seem to have close ties with the AM out of mutual benefits (AM want Knight Tech, Knights want AM supplies from Forge Worlds). It describes the Freeblades as 'setting out on their own, wandering the stars in search of purpose... or offering protection to those who need it.'
Wow, I'm very behind this. Thanks for that summary. Makes a bit of a change from the Join or Die! aspect of the Imperium. And it's odd, but welcome, that the Ad Mech are after the titan tech FROM the knight worlds, rather than the other way round. Freeblades feels the least fleshed out from that, but perhaps there are more details to come.
Yeah, to expand on the fluff, it talks about how Knight Worlds were pre-imperial colonies that have been re-found later, and as such have a bunch of cool tech the Ad Mech want to get their hands on. It says that both the Knight Strongholds and the Knights themselves are made partly from the starships they used to get there, and as such more techy than other Imperial stuff.
No idea how much of this is new/retconned, but I must say I was surprised that they were not explicitly part of the Imperium, but instead see them as 'equal partners'. These guys seem to have quite a lot of political clout.
At a guess, I think the Freeblades are basically a half-arsed excuse to sell more Knights to non-IOM players, so the fluff is deliberately vague. The codex may reveal more.
hdbbstephen wrote: I think there is some, limited pose-ability in the arms at least:
and very likely at the waist, possibly the knees.
I think that just looks like they articulate left and right, then the weapon can be swung up and down, but the arm as a whole can't, not unless there's a circular joint in the model's shoulder itself.
EDIT: Actually, yeah, it looks like that's how the Knight itself is designed (whether or not the actual model is articulated as such I can't say), the shoulder rotates in a circular motion (not a ball rotation), then the joint you circled allows the weapon to rotate left and right, then the next joint down from the one you circled is like the "wrist", which allows up and down swinging of the chainsword/gun.
So it looks like you can swing up down, left right, and the wrist up down. It looks like the Knight should be able to also swing it's upper arm outwards, but since there's solid plastic "tubes" running to it, I doubt the model itself can.
NO, Don't you dare!!! 
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