Paradigm wrote: At a guess, I think the Freeblades are basically a half-arsed excuse to sell more Knights to non-IOM players, so the fluff is deliberately vague. The codex may reveal more.
I hope this is true. I've been struggling to find an appropriate centrepiece for my army, and a black-and-pink Knight would be perfect.
There is fluff precedent for Chaos Knights, and Slaaneshi at that, with Molech and House Devine. Let's just hope that GW doesn't forget about that.
Sad thing is that "freeblades sell their services to anyone" is still a better fluff excuse for allies than almost every other combination out there...
via Father Gabe on Faeit 212 wrote:
Concerns Imperial Knights, New Web Page and Pre-Order changes.
1) Imperial Knights box is small, about the same size as a Rhino box. Contains 2x Decal Sheets (Lots and lots of decals for those that enjoy these), a 90mm x 120mm flying base.
2) Rules don't appear to be included in the box, for right now it looks like the White Dwarf is its only place. No additional info has been fully revealed concerning how its used, who uses it, etc.
3) New Web Page: new Direct Order computers are hitting the stores (in North America at least) that are being upgraded (for improvement reasons) and to allow better interface with the new Web Store. Software is being pumped through the Tills (registers) that will allow managers to perform detailed look ups or by use of the Fuzzy Product look up button.
4) Pre-Orders: Due to some complaints, concerns, etc by some UK/European customers and/or managers, the pre-order time is being changed effective tomorrow. Before in North America you could jump on pre-orders the day before at approximately 6pm, which was midnight or later in UK/Europe. So, now it will begin at 1pm Central time (US), not sure when that is in the UK/Europe but Im sure they can figure that out.
5) This last part is an oddity. At the recent HSC in North America (collaborating info I had from my UK source) is that GW feels (whether rightly or not...Im thinking not) that the whole reason we purchase miniatures is not because of what they can do in a game (rules wise) but we do so because of how they look. That surprised some of us. Combined that with the same reason the Codex/Army book comes out later, that might indicate a disconnect between corporate and its customer base. We have decided to dig on this issue, conduct surveys across the US GW/Independent stores to get an actual consensus. What we will do with that info? No idea yet. The concern is, does GW really feel that way, is it accurate or is it more of a "training" issue towards managers and such.
If it is a training issue, its designed to ensure that employees sell the models based more on the aesthetics then the benefits to the customer. Which is not good in training, where it was concerned that you do both, especially explaining how "Awesome miniature (X) can do all this stuff and it makes a great center piece..." for example.
I budget on a monthly basis and only purchase models that are both cool looking and rules strong. Knights fit this criteria, but the monthly budget would only allow for one.
So here's the problem: do freelancers get their own model? What the hell else comes out this month that I'd rather buy?
I don't mind weekly releases, but it'd be nice if they actually told you up front what was being released that month.
For some reason GW is scared of pre-release hype. It's an interesting thing, because video game companies thrive on it, are the markets really that different that miniatures are harmed by hype while video game publishers would do anything to drum up hype?
I have the new WD now...the kit looks terrific. It may be a small thing to some people, but even the transfers might be the nicest that GW's ever done.
I demand Mods shut this thread down. It's making me want a Knight enough to rule over my common sense. Its a danger to the community. Think of the children.
MWHistorian wrote: I demand Mods shut this thread down. It's making me want a Knight enough to rule over my common sense. Its a danger to the community. Think of the children.
Who other than the children are we going to give the giant debt that I am thinking about incurring due to these Knights? The very least ... they can not say I never gave them anything!
Sweet, thanks for these! Did they post what the pics came from... not white dwarf, seemingly?
The pictures actually do look like they're from White Dwarf. The WIP shot has a tiny sliver of white at the upper right hand corner which suggests the picture is part of an article.
I have the WD right here, and yes, the pictures are from it
So has there been any clarification on if these are Escalation Lord of War type figures, or if you can take them as allies in normal games as a counterpart to a Wraithknight or Riptide?
Nothing to get excited about, just confirms the price and lets you buy 5 with a single click (no discount) but no signs of the rules yet.
At 8 inches tall the Imperial Knight is a towering war engine. Crafted in the Dark Age of Technology and resplendent with gothic details it presents a unique silhouette both in a display cabinet and on the battlefield. Fighting alongside armies of the Imperium, most Imperial Knights are part of a Knightly House. They are affiliated with either the Imperium or the Adeptus Mechanicus. Some Imperial Knights choose to forsake all ties to a noble house. Known as Freeblades, they are masters of their own destiny.
Fully jointed at the head, arms and waist this kit allows you to create some wonderful poses. You can assemble the Imperial Knight as a Knight Paladin armed with a Rapid-fire battle cannon or a Knight Errant armed with a Thermal cannon. Both are equipped with a Reaper chainsword and protected by an Ion Shield. Each also has the option to add Heavy Stubbers. You have the choice of three unique face-plates: one for Mechanicus affiliated Knights and two for Imperial Knights.
This plastic kit makes one Imperial Knight and contains a staggering 147 components and an Imperial Knight Transfer Sheet.
1 more day to find out what kindof games the can be ran in then
Well if that Knights digital codex is true( wich i'm really not sure, since there was no mention of it in the Dwarf, while the LotD codex was featured in it), then we might have more answers.
But for now the way you read it, you can take them as Primary 3-6 or as allies, but its not said who can and can't take them, so its everyone!, no mention of Escalation, and Lords of War Slots or anything else.
And the fact that you can take 3 of them in allies, kinda goes around the Lord of War slot, since you can have only ONE LoW slot per detachement...
So yeah, thats all there is to it for now, gotta wait tommorow to see if they put online a Knight codex or not.
1 more day to find out what kindof games the can be ran in then
Well if that Knights digital codex is true( wich i'm really not sure, since there was no mention of it in the Dwarf, while the LotD codex was featured in it), then we might have more answers.
But for now the way you read it, you can take them as Primary 3-6 or as allies, but its not said who can and can't take them, so its everyone!, no mention of Escalation, and Lords of War Slots or anything else.
And the fact that you can take 3 of them in allies, kinda goes around the Lord of War slot, since you can have only ONE LoW slot per detachement...
So yeah, thats all there is to it for now, gotta wait tommorow to see if they put online a Knight codex or not.
Well got a debate going on as others think its only escalation cause of the D melee weapon, where I think they're more heavy support allies like Riptides or Wraithknights
At 8 inches tall the Imperial Knight is a towering war engine. Crafted in the Dark Age of Technology and resplendent with gothic details it presents a unique silhouette both in a display cabinet and on the battlefield. Fighting alongside armies of the Imperium, most Imperial Knights are part of a Knightly House. They are affiliated with either the Imperium or the Adeptus Mechanicus. Some Imperial Knights choose to forsake all ties to a noble house. Known as Freeblades, they are masters of their own destiny.
Fully jointed at the head, arms and waist this kit allows you to create some wonderful poses. You can assemble the Imperial Knight as a Knight Paladin armed with a Rapid-fire battle cannon or a Knight Errant armed with a Thermal cannon. Both are equipped with a Reaper chainsword and protected by an Ion Shield. Each also has the option to add Heavy Stubbers. You have the choice of three unique face-plates: one for Mechanicus affiliated Knights and two for Imperial Knights.
This plastic kit makes one Imperial Knight and contains a staggering 147 components and an Imperial Knight Transfer Sheet. The transfer sheet includes the iconography for:
- The Knightly Houses of Terryn, Hawkshroud and Cadmus.
- The Adeptus Mechanicus Houses of Raven and Taranis.
- Obsidian Knight, the Freeblade.
- Aquilas and kill markings.
This kit comes supplied unpainted and requires assembly - we recommend using Citadel Thin Plastic Glue and Citadel Paints.
Availability: This product is available for Pre-order. Release Date Information. Part Code: 99120108003
Wow.. maybe it's just the size of the kit but there are a ton of tiny very thin bits on that sprue. They did a good job of utilizing every space on those.
Vintersorg wrote: No articulation at the knees. That IS disapponting...
Most 40k walkers don't bend at the knees. It is almost a key point to them. It does articulate at legs and feet though, which is in line with previous walkers.
Vintersorg wrote: No articulation at the knees. That IS disapponting...
It might be like the Sentinel kit (although I think the Riptide has something similar?) where you can chop a tiny piece off and get a lot more articulation going.
I know... suspension of disbelief and all.. but you'd think that a big armored robot wouldn't have the delicate hydraulic lines so exposed every chance they get at least from the front. Obviously there is no way of knowing but I suspect the dreadnought leg/shin covers might work well for added armor bits on the biceps. Overall it's still a very impressive looking kit.
Yeah, 8" will make it just a half inch shorter than the DF Levi. I can't wait to get one to add to my collection of 28mm Mechs. I will have to scratch build some new weapon options however.
That is not a great comparison as the Riptide is on some terrain lifting it about half an inch at a guess.
Agreed. If its 8" then that image with the Trygon must have been doctored somehow (or it must have been taken with the Forgeworld Trygon which as I understand it is a good bit larger).
That's crazy about the base. Did you build that one d-usa or are you getting those pics from elsewhere?
I think getting creative with the basing could probably sort out the monopose leg issue, but then again who is really going to own five so that you'd notice?
Man, I cannot get over how great the knights look. They are such a perfect translation of epic into 40k. Whether or not I'd be able to ever play a game with them is another story. I feel like 40k is starting to get to the way I used to play Red Alert back in the day- just eschewing ground troops and going straight for an army of big things to decimate the computer's base.
The knights go really well with the Pacific Rim Theme in my opinion
I guess for me it's a question of which I'd rather have, dwarves or knights. That $140 is certainly a splash of cold water though.
WrentheFaceless wrote: If you're playing a wing of Knights, you gotta start playing that theme when you put them on the table
I know! I have this idea stuck in my head of a "proper" knight army for 40k- a wing of knights supported by men-at-arms-esque imperial guard forces, different squads painted up in the heraldry of the knights they serve under.
I would like to see it next to a Wraithknight or a Trygon, I don't actually know how big a Riptide is off the top of my head so that image doesn't really help me.
If it's 8" tall then the Trygon picture we had previously was a lie, as there's no way it's almost 3" taller than a Trygon in that other image.
Anyway, Australian price is $155, so looks like there's no point importing them.
I'll grab one, or maybe two. The question is when will I grab it. i would kind of like to fill out my IG a bit more first, so maybe I'll grab one in a couple of months.
The weapon arms are movable at multiple places. They rotate at the elbow and they can rotate at the elbow (and probably at the wrist as well if you wanted it to be.
Here is the breakdown of where the separate pieces connect:
The shoulder attaches to the model, and you have full rotation there. The elbow is the section that is marked on both armes. The piece between the wrist and the elbow snaps around the disk that is attached to the upper arm and lets you rotate the gun along that axis. It would be very easy to glue a magnet into that piece and cut off the plastic disk on the upper arm and glue a magnet on the stump that is remaining on the upper arm. That should also stabilize the elbow joint from slipping sideways.
The big problem is that both guns share the same plastic piece that connects the elbow to the wrist joint, going from the red elbow line on gun arm and the gun then snaps around that piece. I don't know how tight the body of the gun fits around the forearm so I don't know if it would be possible to add a magnet to the forearm and the body of the guns.
Here is a shot from the instructions so that you guys can try to figure out the best way and order your magnets while you wait
As nice as this model is, and yes, I likely will buy one (if only as a showcase model for display), I am getting really tired of the escalation in 40k scale. I'd much rather have a couple of units of these things with several other detachments of infantry, armor, titans, etc in an epic scale game. Apoc scale 40k games are so tedious....and as a father of 3 with 2 jobs and cub scouts on top of that, I will never have time to sit through one. I'm at the point now, where I may just sell all of my 40k armies (sans one, for nostalgia and the odd beer and pretzels game). The rules have become so convoluted and bloated with the various expansions and countless dataslates, the balance is laughable, and the "anybody can take anything' takes the story and fluff and tosses them in the bin (IMO). I'm enjoying Warmahordes and Flames of War so much more these days....I even find Warhammer fantasy more appealing than the thought of having to suffer through another game of 40k...*end rant*
BrookM wrote: Also surprised that it is even bigger than what they told the stores, not 15CM, but close to 20!
I'll believe it when someone has it pictured next to a ruler, if it's really 20cm tall, the earlier pictures we have must have been heavily doctored, photographed in a weird way or a different model.
Fango wrote: Apoc scale 40k games are so tedious....and as a father of 3 with 2 jobs and cub scouts on top of that, I will never have time to sit through one.
That's why they brought out Escalation, which is great fun, and really speeds up the game, so should be right up your street.
tyrannosaurus wrote: Hang on - so White Dwarf has the rules for the actual model, but not the rules for which armies it can join?
GW doesn't want you to know that until AFTER you've bought one or three or five of them
Fango wrote:I'm sure it will be available as an ally to any army, to maximize sales.
GW could care less about rules. All of the conspiracy theories that have to do with rules are silly. Sales stuff and rules stuff are completely separate. I really don't think the marketing / sales guys understand enough about the game to make decisions that would impact sales one way or another intentionally.
Didn't we have a rumour saying that you could field these on their own as a force?
Accolade wrote: Man, I cannot get over how great the knights look. They are such a perfect translation of epic into 40k. Whether or not I'd be able to ever play a game with them is another story. I feel like 40k is starting to get to the way I used to play Red Alert back in the day- just eschewing ground troops and going straight for an army of big things to decimate the computer's base.
The knights go really well with the Pacific Rim Theme in my opinion
*snip*
I guess for me it's a question of which I'd rather have, dwarves or knights. That $140 is certainly a splash of cold water though.
I totally get what you mean about the Red Alert analogy. Every RTS for me would be build the horrifically large units and just plow through the computer. Wasn't the most tactically sound but it looked cool.
Spoiler:
It's that kind of thing that's part of the inspiration of wanting to own a fair few of these Knights.
WrentheFaceless wrote: If you're playing a wing of Knights, you gotta start playing that theme when you put them on the table
I know! I have this idea stuck in my head of a "proper" knight army for 40k- a wing of knights supported by men-at-arms-esque imperial guard forces, different squads painted up in the heraldry of the knights they serve under.
Must...resist!
What you might want to try is to create a piece of terrain using something like a wrecked rhino, put in a small MP3 player & hook it up to a small speaker. When the game starts just flick a switch & away you go!
The best bit is if your opponent knows nothing about it & your sneaky when you turn it on!
I know this sort of thing is possible as a friend of mine did it with a Slaneeshi landraider.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was ready to do a pre-order but as there's still some doubt on whether chaos can use them I might wait a bit & see if they do a chaos version or bring out rules to allow these ones in.
I like them and will get one sometime but I'm ticked that you can get 2 1/2 of them for the same points as a lord of skulls and there better (mostly). And yes I have a Los and he's a nice model but I need of a points drop badly.
Breotan wrote: The spearhead bundle doesn't offer any savings. :(
So, since GW shut down my favorite store, which online (USA) place has the best discounts?
Miniature Market? 20%... Warstore is about the same amount, right? Or you could just buy two Dreamforge Leviathans for about the same price, they're on sale right now. ;-)
I love that it's cheaper in Australia than Canada.
Considering a large portion of Canadian customers import due to ease, or FLGS's offer US pricing to compete, I'm not sure what GW's angle is. There's no special tariff on plastic models, and they're just shooting themselves in the foot there.
But then that's nothing new; they did that when they closed GW canada and with it, the overwhelming majority of their stores and increased the price disparity (prices were closer when the Canadian dollar was $0.60 to one USD than they are now).
But I digress. I'm still not a huge fan of the model, and will most likely not get one. I'm not that into big walkers; I have a riptide, and didn't enjoy building or painting it, and haven't enjoyed using it all that much either. I pretty much lose interest after Contemptor/Trygon size.
Medium of Death wrote: I totally get what you mean about the Red Alert analogy. Every RTS for me would be build the horrifically large units and just plow through the computer. Wasn't the most tactically sound but it looked cool.
Spoiler:
It's that kind of thing that's part of the inspiration of wanting to own a fair few of these Knights.
A man after my own heart! I have never grown tired of Hellmarch, simply one of the best video games songs of all time.
I think that if I do end up buying knights, it'll be a force just like this, to complement my regular Ork and Dark Eldar armies. Whenever I feel like having a knock-out brawl, I'll pit these armies against the knights. I imagine that Knight Wars might be a thing that comes about from the purchases people will be making. Perhaps then big games will just be big models fighting each other, which would at least be something that goes by quickly.
My final contribution music-wise to the Knight themes from Gustav Holst's "The Planets," specifically the Mars segment. I think this piece goes perfectly with Battlefleet Gothic, but since its demise I feel Knights will have to take the theme:
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@bubber: now THAT is an idea. I know I have a wrecked rhino laying somewhere around here...
I have never felt so poor! I want one SOOOOOOOOOOO much. They are the most awesome looking models i have seen, and i want want just to see how long it would take to make it and how big it is compared to my wraithknight.
So....the GW site lists it at 8 inches. Does that mean the 28mm Leviathan might actually work with it better than we thought?
Yes if it really is 8" they should only be about half an inch apart. The DF Leviathan will still bulk out more, and the rotary gun will always look a bit large.
On the separate decal sheet I notice that there are what appears to be Ultramarine, Crimson Fist and Imperial Fist themed transfers. I'd imagine that these are marks of campaigns in which they fought side by side rather than some kind of chapter dedicated Knight Household.
These can only be bought in GW now right? I only ask because there's a WHSmith (who stocked the original WD in the UK) like 30 seconds from my work, whereas the GW is a good 10 minute walk.
So, me being a particularly eager Leviathan/Knight owner, and having got WD early, I've played the first few turns of a game with the Knight Paladin. It fitted nicely into the 1500 DA list (rest of list was 2 tacticals, 2 DW, 1 RW, Libby and Inq). Let me tell you, this thing just 'feels' great to play with, the towering monstrosity implacably advancing across the board is just really cool. Also, while it's not yet close to making its points back (we're only on T3), it's been blowing stuff apart left right and centre, and taking and tanking hits from half an army with impunity.
These things are pretty epic, all things considered.
@MoD: your LGS or newsagents should have WD. It's not GW only.
The IK set is available at the independent store I've been buying most of my stuff, at ~81% of the GW price. Now I just need to rob someone and here we go...
Paradigm wrote: So, me being a particularly eager Leviathan/Knight owner, and having got WD early, I've played the first few turns of a game with the Knight Paladin. It fitted nicely into the 1500 DA list (rest of list was 2 tacticals, 2 DW, 1 RW, Libby and Inq). Let me tell you, this thing just 'feels' great to play with, the towering monstrosity implacably advancing across the board is just really cool. Also, while it's not yet close to making its points back (we're only on T3), it's been blowing stuff apart left right and centre, and taking and tanking hits from half an army with impunity.
These things are pretty epic, all things considered.
@MoD: your LGS or newsagents should have WD. It's not GW only.
Does the WD say if its for normal play or escalation or what?
The WD just says what has been posted here, that its either allied (1-3) or primary (3-6). Nothing on whether it's a LOW or not, so I'd assume it's not. The codex may prove me wrong, though.
Paradigm wrote: So, me being a particularly eager Leviathan/Knight owner, and having got WD early, I've played the first few turns of a game with the Knight Paladin. It fitted nicely into the 1500 DA list (rest of list was 2 tacticals, 2 DW, 1 RW, Libby and Inq). Let me tell you, this thing just 'feels' great to play with, the towering monstrosity implacably advancing across the board is just really cool. Also, while it's not yet close to making its points back (we're only on T3), it's been blowing stuff apart left right and centre, and taking and tanking hits from half an army with impunity.
These things are pretty epic, all things considered.
@MoD: your LGS or newsagents should have WD. It's not GW only.
Cheers man.
What weapon options are you running your Knight with?
I'm running with the Paladin variant (rapid-fire Battle Cannon) as that best fits the model I'm using, but I may try the melta at some point. Like I say, it's not disappointing in terms of firepower.
Paradigm wrote: I'm running with the Paladin variant (rapid-fire Battle Cannon) as that best fits the model I'm using, but I may try the melta at some point. Like I say, it's not disappointing in terms of firepower.
These can only be bought in GW now right? I only ask because there's a WHSmith (who stocked the original WD in the UK) like 30 seconds from my work, whereas the GW is a good 10 minute walk.
I got it into CC on the last turn we played, it outright destroyed a squad of 10 Necron warriors and the attacked lord between the HoW hit, the 4 S: D attacks and the Stomps. That may have just been good rolling, but it was certainly destructive.
The survivability is pretty damn good, although I've had above-average rolls on the 4++. It's shrugged off a tonne of Gauss hits and a Doomsday Ark, as well as a horrifically scattering shot from its own cannon! So far, it's HP 1 down, 5 to go.
WrentheFaceless wrote: If you're playing a wing of Knights, you gotta start playing that theme when you put them on the table
I know! I have this idea stuck in my head of a "proper" knight army for 40k- a wing of knights supported by men-at-arms-esque imperial guard forces, different squads painted up in the heraldry of the knights they serve under.
Must...resist!
Bloody hell, that sounds fantastic.
Gotta say I really like these models now that I've seen them painted up. As long as they restrict the D to the enormous chainsaw and don't make the guns too "large blast twin linked S10 AP1 infinite range herpderpderp" I'll be fine to play them
Just the Knight stats or rules to field Knights as an army by themselves? Allies?
I'm assuming by the blurb on the GW site it's only going to be Imperial Armies, which makes sense.
You see the exact same thing has the leaks we saw for the past 6 days.
Profil, points, rules for the SHield, the special rules he have for been a Super heavy.
And the bit that says that you can take up to 3 as an ally detachement, or field them has a Primary detachement with 3 to 6 Knights.
No mention of the armies that they can be allied with or not, no mention of any need of the escalation book or that they take a Lord of War slot.
No mention in the Dwarf about a Knight codex coming soon or on preorder or anything in that Jazz.
Fluff contains bits about Freeblades that gets chased from their Households and roam in the galaxy selling their services to the highest bidder, because they love to fight in their machines, also some bits about Knights joining Horus during the heresy.
So since there is no clarification of who can and cannot take them as allies, everyone can take one as Ally!
In short, Total Wargamer left me hanging for literally months on trying to get an Eldar codex that I preordered. They then marked it as dispatched, but never bothered to send it. Then, when I asked for a refund, claimed they did it, never bothered and I then found out the mention of the codex mysteriously 'disappeared' from my orders page. - Fortunately, I had a print out. After a snotty email from them saying 'refunds sometimes take a while' (it was over 2 weeks by that time), I opened a dispute with my bank and claimed my money back that way.
In short, Total Wargamer left me hanging for literally months on trying to get an Eldar codex that I preordered. They then marked it as dispatched, but never bothered to send it. Then, when I asked for a refund, claimed they did it, never bothered and I then found out the mention of the codex mysteriously 'disappeared' from my orders page. - Fortunately, I had a print out. After a snotty email from them saying 'refunds sometimes take a while' (it was over 2 weeks by that time), I opened a dispute with my bank and claimed my money back that way.
Woah thanks for the heads up, dodged a bullet there.
So where is the cheapest anybody in the uk has found? So far I have waylandgames at £72 (with free shipping), giftsforgeeks at £63 (with £3.90 shipping) total wargamer has already been mentioned at £59, and dark sphere £63.75 (but with a whopping £9.80 postage)
my guess is once they are thoroughly convinced that everyone that is going to has bought several of these, they will release something slightly better, whether a new kit or some forgeworld modifier.
In short, Total Wargamer left me hanging for literally months on trying to get an Eldar codex that I preordered. They then marked it as dispatched, but never bothered to send it. Then, when I asked for a refund, claimed they did it, never bothered and I then found out the mention of the codex mysteriously 'disappeared' from my orders page. - Fortunately, I had a print out. After a snotty email from them saying 'refunds sometimes take a while' (it was over 2 weeks by that time), I opened a dispute with my bank and claimed my money back that way.
Woah thanks for the heads up, dodged a bullet there.
Haven't had anything quite that bad with them. Though both orders we placed with them last year were significantly delayed. I've been weighing up the pros and cons of ordering Knights from them. On one hand they have the lowest price (including £4 shipping) on the other they're not the fastest to dispatch orders. Though Element Games has the Knight at £68 and postage is ~£3. If you're after getting your Knight(s) fairly soon after release I'd recommend going to Element and paying the extra £7 to save the hassle. If you can wait / don't mind a bit of hassle then it comes down to howmuch you want to save that extra £7.
Nah, I think we just disagree on how much of a price discrepancy makes importing worthwhile.
Primary point: Most the newer releases haven't been a rip off compared to US prices. Though the Dwarfs aren't great, I wonder if that is because the exchange rate has fallen recently, GW might not have wanted to gamble on it.
The Basti is the worst of the Lizardmen new releases. GW is not consistent, some things are still crap, but for the most part I think among newer releases, they've been equalising the prices between the US and Australia. The Lizardmen, only the Basti was really skewed, everything else is not all that bad, with several things being cheaper at the current exchange rate. I don't know all the recent releases, but I see the Riptide, the Sunshark, the Wraithknight, the Crimson Hunter, Wraithguard. I didn't cherry pick those, they are just the first things that came to mind and all are very similar price in Australia to the US, some things cheaper, some things more expensive. Nothing worth importing.
Bear in mind of course, that a lot/most of that stuff was before the dollar dropped significantly again, and so at the time of release, the GW price (when normalised) was rather worse than it is now. I had actually hoped they would normalise the prices - if they did, I would have bought my Sternguard and Vanguard (4 boxes of each) locally, but that didn't happen. (And I was the one to mention Wraithguard as a local buy).
Secondary point: You don't get the exchange rate that you see when you type in "1 usd to aud" in google. If you do, I'd love to know who you bank with, lol. The best I've gotten is about 1-2c worse, and that was not going through my bank, it was sending several thousand dollars through an exchange broker. The best my bank will give me is typically 3-4c worse, so it's not $46.8USD for a Basti = $52AUD + shipping, realistically it's more like $54 + shipping. IMO, once you include the increased shipping time and the annoyance if you get damaged parts, I'd be flipping a coin whether to bother getting it from the US.
Given that I've been buying stuff from overseas on a weekly basis solidly for the past 7 years (at least), I'm pretty sure I know how the exchange rates work. I'm certainly not paying 3-4 cents on the dollar, either. If I wanted to pay that much, I'd let PayPal do the exchange rather than my bank. Still, if you want to niggle about $2-3 variance on a $20 saving from a $80 kit, more power to you.
Tertiary point which was a while back and kind of gotten lost now: I'm interested to see the Australian price given the exchange rate has now fallen since the Lizardmen/Tau/Eldar, all of which weren't terribly skewed against Oz.
I think we're in agreement on this one, at least.
Whether or not it's overall worth buying from the US was never one of my points I have bought stuff from the states, I was living over there for a while and bought a lot of stuff back with me (along with clothes, shoes and a car ), I'm very tempted to do a big IG order before they come out as they are MASSIVELY cheaper in the US. However the discussion originated from speculation on what the Knight price would be, lol, and that's really the only part relevant to this thread.
Probably a good idea, before they cut the guardsmen squad box into two for the same price like they did Dire Avengers....
Sirius42 wrote: So where is the cheapest anybody in the uk has found? So far I have waylandgames at £72 (with free shipping), giftsforgeeks at £63 (with £3.90 shipping) total wargamer has already been mentioned at £59, and dark sphere £63.75 (but with a whopping £9.80 postage)
Luckily I work not far from Dark Sphere, so I can pay the web price and pick it up in store (as long as the order's over £100 RRP, iirc). Should be easy enough to manage
Nah, I think we just disagree on how much of a price discrepancy makes importing worthwhile.
But that was never my main point, lol. The Basti was the ONLY thing in the Lizardmen release that actually would actually give you a significant discount. The next best thing was the Carno that only saved you around $4 before postage differences.
Bear in mind of course, that a lot/most of that stuff was before the dollar dropped significantly again,
...which I myself mentioned already
Given that I've been buying stuff from overseas on a weekly basis solidly for the past 7 years (at least), I'm pretty sure I know how the exchange rates work. I'm certainly not paying 3-4 cents on the dollar, either.
What exchange rate does your bank give you? All the ones I've looked at are all 3-4 cents worse than whatever the spot rate is (what you get when you google the exchange rate). Some of them are only 1-2 cents worse, but also charge you a fee, so end up much the same.
But anyway, the important thing is that the Knight is $155AUD, which at the current exchange rate is pretty much bang on the US price. No point ordering it from the US.
I've used Total Wargamer a few times, and, while I wouldn't exactly call delivery fast [I had to chase my orders up a couple of times on Facebook] I found them very responsive to Facebook posts and emails. One time I wanted a model for a weekend game, so let them know, and they rushed it out. Also, they accidentally sent me a Space Wolf codex instead of the Dark Eldar one I ordered - they sent out the Dark Eldar one, no quibbles, and told me to keep the Space Wolf one [which I Ebayed ] So yeah, you might have to chase them up, but they are the cheapest out there, and in my experience, friendly and responsive.
Although, my sympathies to the guy who had loads of problems with them, it's always incredibly frustrating when these things happen.
The 2 times I used them I had to ask for a refund - 2 months wait is not funny. Emails went un-noticed etc. Sticking with Gaming Figures, while not the lowest price has the best service I've had - can't recommend them enough.
Automatically Appended Next Post: BTW they do 15% off GW with free P&P for orders over £20 and an extra 1% for orders over £100 & 2% for £200.
The comment is based in the fact that the Marine is slightly in front of the Knight. Ergo, if you pushed Knight forward a little to line up with the Marine (on the z axis), it would be taller.
The pic comes from GW site, with the marine next to it...
So if his measurements are false, its because GW did screw the pic no?
Because his measurements ignore perspective. The 'horizon line' is around the middle of the image, meaning the top of the knight, if it were in line with the front of the base, would be above what we see it as. The marines are also stacked 'wrong' according to the rules of perspective, so wouldn't give that height.
I don't know if this is right, but I scaled them so that the base of the Space Marine is the same size as the base of the Guardian. Soooo... the Imperial Knight is no where near 8" then.
Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
Oh it may look Cygnar like, but is a response to the release of the Leviathans and people using Leviathans in their apoc games, GW recognized that they have competition out there.
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
I'd say it's more like the the plastic or metal knights gw did in the 90's, possibly the ones that influenced pp originally? :p
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
Oh man, this is gonna be fun...
Anyway, I'm surprised there is no knee joint, but thankfully it looks to be an easy slice.
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
Only if GW also invented a time machine and went back to before 1990 in order to cover themselves.
While I'm sure the aesthetic of Warmachine and the DF Leviathan will have informed the release of this, don't try and assert that, in this case at least, GW didn't get there first.
PP is the target not Dreamforge IMHO...PP has been releasing giant models throughout their range...this is GW responding to the changing marketplace...Riptide, Wraithknight and now the Cygnar...er...I mean imperial Knight. Glad they are doing this, but Dreamforge is chump change compared to PP and their threat to GW market share.
We shall see... BELUIVE ME when I tell you I would be more than happy if it was 8" but all evidence is to the contrary.... time will tell.
Indeed, though I think the court should strike this particular evidence from the record as it certainly is misleading...
Meh, If I am wrong I will be happy to revise my estimate... nothing would be sweeter than to be wrong, but in this instance I do not think I am that far off. I have an 8.5" kit in front of me so unless that is a complexly new base (and it may be) and the photo shopped thier SM at the wrong scale, I am confident this is much closer to my estimate than 8" but I look forward to my formal apology to you if I am mistaken.
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
Oh man, this is gonna be fun...
Anyway, I'm surprised there is no knee joint, but thankfully it looks to be an easy slice.
Easy slice? Doesn't look that way to me. Looks like there's a good 1cm of plastic between the knee and the upper leg and another 1cm join between the knee and the lower leg, in an arc no less so cutting it cleanly will be hard.
If you want to put a bend in the knee I think it's going to take a decent cut, a bit of cleaning up, then some greenstuff filling to hide it.
We shall see... BELUIVE ME when I tell you I would be more than happy if it was 8" but all evidence is to the contrary.... time will tell.
Indeed, though I think the court should strike this particular evidence from the record as it certainly is misleading...
Meh, If I am wrong I will be happy to revise my estimate... nothing would be sweeter than to be wrong, but in this instance I do not think I am that far off. I have an 8.5" kit in front of me so unless that is a complexly new base (and it may be) and the photo shopped thier SM at the wrong scale, I am confident this is much closer to my estimate than 8" but I look forward to my formal apology to you if I am mistaken.
I feel like preordering one and complaining if it's not 8", and if it is 8", I can be happy that it's actually 8", lol.
For being a 370pt superheavy walker, it does look small. You're trying to tell me that little dude is harder to kill than a Land Raider?
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Easy slice? Doesn't look that way to me. Looks like there's a good 1cm of plastic between the knee and the upper leg and another 1cm join between the knee and the lower leg, in an arc no less so cutting it cleanly will be hard.
If you want to put a bend in the knee I think it's going to take a decent cut, a bit of cleaning up, then some greenstuff filling to hide it.
The legs are two part and you can cut from the inside. That should keep all the hacking out of sight. Depending on how thick the part is you might not even need to fill anything out.
YakManDoo wrote: PP is the target not Dreamforge IMHO...PP has been releasing giant models throughout their range...this is GW responding to the changing marketplace...Riptide, Wraithknight and now the Cygnar...er...I mean imperial Knight. Glad they are doing this, but Dreamforge is chump change compared to PP and their threat to GW market share.
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
You mean PP ripped off a Knight.
They ripped off a Knight and a Warlord Titan. Compare the giant shoulder cannons.
Even if it was the other way around, It would have been deservedly so, given that what I just saw when I typed into google was an awful abomination of a model.
I didn't notice before, but they have made a whole new "Imperial Knights" entry under the "Armies" section on their website... so maybe the rumours of a Codex are true. It'll be a pretty crazy army if you can just rock up to any old game or tournament for that matter with an army of Knights.
Yes, GW metal knights were for their epic scale games, so smallish minis.
Now I have seen the PP colossals, and see that they may also have shocked GW but those models are not that new anymore, and Leviathans came out this past year, GW is seeing the BIG plastic mechas market leaving them behind.
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
You mean PP ripped off a Knight.
They ripped off a Knight and a Warlord Titan. Compare the giant shoulder cannons.
Even if it was the other way around, It would have been deservedly so, given that what I just saw when I typed into google was an awful abomination of a model.
Yeah, can't say I've ever liked the Warmachine aesthetic. That might be why I've never gotten in to the game, the models just don't appeal to me in the slightest.
YakManDoo wrote: PP is the target not Dreamforge IMHO...PP has been releasing giant models throughout their range...this is GW responding to the changing marketplace...Riptide, Wraithknight and now the Cygnar...er...I mean imperial Knight. Glad they are doing this, but Dreamforge is chump change compared to PP and their threat to GW market share.
Is it though? It is far more likely that GW just wanted an excuse to create models that are more original that they could put a bigger price tag on.
YakManDoo wrote: PP is the target not Dreamforge IMHO...PP has been releasing giant models throughout their range...this is GW responding to the changing marketplace...Riptide, Wraithknight and now the Cygnar...er...I mean imperial Knight. Glad they are doing this, but Dreamforge is chump change compared to PP and their threat to GW market share.
Is it though? It is far more likely that GW just wanted an excuse to create models that are more original that they could put a bigger price tag on.
For once it seems GW have really hit the nail on the head, creating a model that many vets/GW "haters" like and should also appeal to the new kids.
I'm mostly interested to see what this does to the game. It seems like the Knights are not going to be "Lord of War" and rather an army in their own right, which to me says GW have realised escalation and apocalypse don't have mainstream acceptance and they are trying to force acceptance by making a mainstream army that revolves around a superheavy.
YakManDoo wrote: PP is the target not Dreamforge IMHO...PP has been releasing giant models throughout their range...this is GW responding to the changing marketplace...Riptide, Wraithknight and now the Cygnar...er...I mean imperial Knight. Glad they are doing this, but Dreamforge is chump change compared to PP and their threat to GW market share.
Is it though? It is far more likely that GW just wanted an excuse to create models that are more original that they could put a bigger price tag on.
Or that GW is slowly adding more larger models like the Baneblade and Stompa, and to maximize sales are allowing them in normal games. GW (via Forgeworld) has been doing titans for a while now.
I think adding big models to standard games is GWs attempt to compete with other games. It's leveraging something they can do that few of the other game companies can do.
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
Oh man, this is gonna be fun...
Also, GW totally ripped off Blizzard. Everything in 40K is straight from StarCraft!
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
Oh man, this is gonna be fun...
Also, GW totally ripped off Blizzard. Everything in 40K is straight from StarCraft!
I think you might have that backwards, 40K out dates Starcraft by a good ways
The method of building anticipation for a release is not working well; I was ready to go buy one of these no matter what the price if i could pick it up on the 22nd... it seems a bit dumb for GW to advertise something big coming on the 22/2/14 when its actually coming on the 1/3/14... being able to pay them a week early for a product doesnt count as a release in my books. All it actually does is net GW a weeks extra interest on the money.
...am I the only one not interested in pre ordering anything whatsoever from GW? I mean I'd go pick one up right away, and Id order one online to be shipped that day, but I wont pay them now for a kit that exists in warehouses, but wont be dispatched for a week.
Genuinely do not understand what it achieves for them... theyre not so small a company that they need prior funding to make it happen; its already been designed, manufactured, distributed etc.
Further more have they ever actually had an item unavailable because pre orders were sop popular on release day? e.g when Dark Vengeance came out, I walked to town on whatever Saturday it was, and bought a ltd edition box for cash on the spot. Thus there was no point in pre ordering at all? I didnt pre-order, yet still got the ltd edition on day of release. Same with their ltd edition codexes; quick rush to get one before theyre all g.... oh wait theyre still here weeks and weeks later
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
Oh man, this is gonna be fun...
Also, GW totally ripped off Blizzard. Everything in 40K is straight from StarCraft!
I think you might have that backwards, 40K out dates Starcraft by a good ways
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
Oh man, this is gonna be fun...
Also, GW totally ripped off Blizzard. Everything in 40K is straight from StarCraft!
Eldrad is totally a Tassadar clone!
Hmm, It would be cool to get a Queen of Blades like model as say a Genestealer Cult P(M)atriarch...
Well, with the Tau release it seemed they actually had trouble supplying product for once. I don't know if there were that many issues filling pre-orders but for several weeks after the initial release it was hard for a lot of people to get any of the new models.
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
Oh man, this is gonna be fun...
Also, GW totally ripped off Blizzard. Everything in 40K is straight from StarCraft!
I think you might have that backwards, 40K out dates Starcraft by a good ways
Sidstyler wrote: Well, with the Tau release it seemed they actually had trouble supplying product for once. I don't know if there were that many issues filling pre-orders but for several weeks after the initial release it was hard for a lot of people to get any of the new models.
Wasn't that only from 3rd party vendors? I thought actual GW stores were well stocked, they just didn't give enough to FLGS's?
Sidstyler wrote: Well, with the Tau release it seemed they actually had trouble supplying product for once. I don't know if there were that many issues filling pre-orders but for several weeks after the initial release it was hard for a lot of people to get any of the new models.
Wasn't that only from 3rd party vendors? I thought actual GW stores were well stocked, they just didn't give enough to FLGS's?
Both.
Some places got overstocked with the big kits but understocked with the little kits. I know that my local GW store had the Codex, Cadre Fireblades, Darkstrider, and the Pathfinder boxes in abundance--but two or three Riptides and none of the flyers.
I don’t see why so many people are comparing the knight titan to the other LOW just because the models are super heavy walkers. A Revenant Titan would easily take an army of five of these by its self at least killing one or two a turn. I even think a transcended C Tan would have no problem taking three. The knight titan close combat weapon does not do anything Nightbringer did not do in the last codex when he ignored saves in CC. Looking at the stats the Riptide is still a better giant robot, and a five riptide list is easy to make.
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
Oh man, this is gonna be fun...
Also, GW totally ripped off Blizzard. Everything in 40K is straight from StarCraft!
I think you might have that backwards, 40K out dates Starcraft by a good ways
You're crazy! Hormagaunts might as well be called Zerglings! Protos constructs are powered by the souls of the dead and then suddenly GW has "Wraithlords" that do the same thing. It's shameless, and GW has the hide to sue other people for using "Space Marines". The balls on those people.
Looks like the pics I remember from playing Epic back in the day. Sorry new kids, I'm no GW apologist but the only thing GW did on this was wait 10 years too long to put them out.
YakManDoo wrote: PP is the target not Dreamforge IMHO...PP has been releasing giant models throughout their range...this is GW responding to the changing marketplace...Riptide, Wraithknight and now the Cygnar...er...I mean imperial Knight. Glad they are doing this, but Dreamforge is chump change compared to PP and their threat to GW market share.
Not sure is Stupid, or just Trolling.
Yeah, GW can't be trying to target PP's audience with the new Knights, mostly because GW still doesn't even acknowledge that PP and other competitors' games exist.
No, this is a continuation of GW's current philosophy: release all new models that people don't already have, thus making everybody buy the new model.
No, it really is. It's a difference of much more than 0.3mm
Care to actually tell us what the difference is then? "That's wrong, it's actually approx X" is a bit more useful than "that's wrong, I know why but I'm not saying, tee hee"
As for the new pics & info, it's a shame; these are such nice kits, but not at direct retail price, even with the discount from 3rd party retailers it's pushing it. Even then, I would have trouble stopping myself from getting at least one, but thankfully GW are continuing their idiotic new premise of putting out the models before the rules, and that irritates me enough to prevent the purchase.
YakManDoo wrote: PP is the target not Dreamforge IMHO...PP has been releasing giant models throughout their range...this is GW responding to the changing marketplace...Riptide, Wraithknight and now the Cygnar...er...I mean imperial Knight. Glad they are doing this, but Dreamforge is chump change compared to PP and their threat to GW market share.
Not sure is Stupid, or just Trolling.
You are aware that Privateer Press maintains two of the best selling miniature wargames on the market in Hordes/Warmachine? You are aware that Privateer Press continues to grow in the segment? You are aware that Dreamforge is effectively a one man shop?
Privateer Press pushed the large model strategy over the last three years and has come up big. GW has followed suit in the last year. Shall we count the kits since 6th edition? GW is chasing PP's strategy.
GW is chasing the market (falling profit will do that), and the Imperial knight is clear evidence of an industry leader in emulate mode and not innovate mode. That is in no way a comment on the quality of the kit. GW is losing market share, and this kit shows they are not above following the successful strategy of an innovative and growing company.
I love you so much right now (goes to finish his Dreamforge Order)
Heh, I love you too That Wayland post is classic. I am not a GW hater but it serves them right for all the crap the created with the BOW/Wayland partnership.
YakManDoo wrote: You are aware that Privateer Press maintains two of the best selling miniature wargames on the market in Hordes/Warmachine? You are aware that Privateer Press continues to grow in the segment? You are aware that Dreamforge is effectively a one man shop?
And? DreamForge came out with their resin knight quite some time ago. It was years of pleading on our part that finally pushed him to use Kickstart the plastic version back in 2012. Even then, people were discussing the model's use as a Warhound "counts as" and not a PP knockoff.
YakManDoo wrote: Privateer Press pushed the large model strategy over the last three years and has come up big. GW has followed suit in the last year. Shall we count the kits since 6th edition? GW is chasing PP's strategy.
Please, do remind me, when did GW release the Baneblade and Stompa plastic kits? 2007? 2008? How long has Forge World been making large models like the Deff Dread? No, GW isn't chasing PP. If anything, GW is chasing FW.
YakManDoo wrote: ...the Imperial knight is clear evidence of an industry leader in emulate mode and not innovate mode. That is in no way a comment on the quality of the kit. GW is losing market share, and this kit shows they are not above following the successful strategy of an innovative and growing company.
I am pretty stoked on this model and haven't been even remotely interested in a GW model in awhile...
I am thinking this will be a nice addition to my adeptus custode army. Anyone know if there were knights present at the seige of terra? If so which houses?
YakManDoo wrote: PP is the target not Dreamforge IMHO...PP has been releasing giant models throughout their range...this is GW responding to the changing marketplace...Riptide, Wraithknight and now the Cygnar...er...I mean imperial Knight. Glad they are doing this, but Dreamforge is chump change compared to PP and their threat to GW market share.
Not sure is Stupid, or just Trolling.
You are aware that Privateer Press maintains two of the best selling miniature wargames on the market in Hordes/Warmachine? You are aware that Privateer Press continues to grow in the segment? You are aware that Dreamforge is effectively a one man shop?
Privateer Press pushed the large model strategy over the last three years and has come up big. GW has followed suit in the last year. Shall we count the kits since 6th edition? GW is chasing PP's strategy.
GW is chasing the market (falling profit will do that), and the Imperial knight is clear evidence of an industry leader in emulate mode and not innovate mode. That is in no way a comment on the quality of the kit. GW is losing market share, and this kit shows they are not above following the successful strategy of an innovative and growing company.
Yeah, coz it's not like GW have been making large kits for years like large tanks, monsters, dragons. Oh wait, yes they have. Well it's not like GW have been making large walkers for years. Oh wait, yes they have. Well it's not like GW pulled the Knight from their own resources going back decades. Oh wait, yes they did. Well it's not like GW have been pulling models from Epic in to 40k for many years. Oh wait, yes they have.
Obviously GW is on the decline, but it's a bit of a stretch to say they're chasing PP or anyone else with the Knights, they've been making big kits for years and they've been using Epic as a resource for 40k for years. Models of the Knights existed before PP existed. FWIW, even the Trygon was originally an Epic model modified and upscaled to 40k, so this is nothing new for GW, not to mention the Stompa and Baneblade which have been around for years now.
Jehan-reznor wrote: So if the knight is only 6.5 inch that means it is only slightly larger than a dreadknight?
The Knight page on the GW site says it's 8 inches tall.
Either GW fail at taking pictures, the Knight models in pictures is different to the Knight model they're actually sending out, or 8" is a lie because everything we've seen of it, it's more like 6 to 6.5".
YakManDoo wrote: You are aware that Privateer Press maintains two of the best selling miniature wargames on the market in Hordes/Warmachine? You are aware that Privateer Press continues to grow in the segment? You are aware that Dreamforge is effectively a one man shop?
And? DreamForge came out with their resin knight quite some time ago. It was years of pleading on our part that finally pushed him to use Kickstart the plastic version back in 2012. Even then, people were discussing the model's use as a Warhound "counts as" and not a PP knockoff.
YakManDoo wrote: Privateer Press pushed the large model strategy over the last three years and has come up big. GW has followed suit in the last year. Shall we count the kits since 6th edition? GW is chasing PP's strategy.
Please, do remind me, when did GW release the Baneblade and Stompa plastic kits? 2007? 2008? How long has Forge World been making large models like the Deff Dread? No, GW isn't chasing PP. If anything, GW is chasing FW.
YakManDoo wrote: ...the Imperial knight is clear evidence of an industry leader in emulate mode and not innovate mode. That is in no way a comment on the quality of the kit. GW is losing market share, and this kit shows they are not above following the successful strategy of an innovative and growing company.
Okay, this is just ignorance.
The vast increase in large mainstream kits in 40k has been post PP success in this product space. GW chasing FW? They are chasing themselves? That's damned near stupid. If they were chasing FW they'd be putting HH into plastic. Baneblades and Stompas crapped out their sales years ago when GW failed to pursue a large model strategy. In the last 1.5 years they dump the Tesseract, the Riptide, the Wraithknight, the Imperial Knight all in plastic, all mainstream, and all after their main competitor gains market share after the same strategy. Dream forge is not GWs target because They aren't a competitor. If you want to imagine that a teeny tiny shop like Dreamforge is why GW put these out you should go take a business class.
Jehan-reznor wrote: So if the knight is only 6.5 inch that means it is only slightly larger than a dreadknight?
The Knight page on the GW site says it's 8 inches tall.
Either GW fail at taking pictures, the Knight models in pictures is different to the Knight model they're actually sending out, or 8" is a lie because everything we've seen of it, it's more like 6 to 6.5".
Jehan-reznor wrote: So if the knight is only 6.5 inch that means it is only slightly larger than a dreadknight?
The Knight page on the GW site says it's 8 inches tall.
Either GW fail at taking pictures, the Knight models in pictures is different to the Knight model they're actually sending out, or 8" is a lie because everything we've seen of it, it's more like 6 to 6.5".
I'm not seeing eight inches out of this kit, either. Maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised.
SickSix wrote: I just measured my Mawloc. There is no way the knight is 8 inches tall.
Mine comes in at barely 5½ inches and that's because I positioned my claws high up on that thing.
you guys put a lot of faith into pictures that have close to no actual visible information when it comes to height, how the models were built, the terrain they're on, the varying depth of field, angles the shots were taken, and if they've been doctored or not for cinematics.
SickSix wrote: I just measured my Mawloc. There is no way the knight is 8 inches tall.
Spoiler:
7 inches at the most.
So what is your best guess then?
6.5" for the knight is probably going to be very close. My Mawloc (including standard base hieght) comes in at 5 5/8 inches measuring to the very tippy top of his top appendage.
Stus67 wrote: you guys put a lot of faith into pictures that have close to no actual visible information when it comes to height, how the models were built, the terrain they're on, the varying depth of field, angles the shots were taken, and if they've been doctored or not for cinematics.
If it were just 1 or 2 images, I might agree with you. But we've seen it next to an Avatar of which we know the height, bad perspective? Maybe, but it suggests ~6". We've seen it next to a Trygon of which we know the height. Maybe the Trygon is closer to the camera and it's just a weird picture? Maybe, but it again suggests ~6". We've had people say it's mounted on a 120mm base, and the images show that it's not much taller than the base is wide, so again suggesting ~6" tall. We have on GW's site they put a Space Marine next to it for scale, measure it out, it ends up about 6" tall.
So we have several pictures suggesting it's 6 to 6.5" tall, GW saying it's 8" tall on their website and 1 picture next to a Riptide which is hard to tell anything from (and FWIW, the Riptide is only about the same height as a Trygon anyway).
From that, I'm guessing it's probably 6 to 6.5" tall and GW made a typo with saying it's 8". I'll be pleasantly surprised if it is actually 8".
Stus67 wrote: you guys put a lot of faith into pictures that have close to no actual visible information when it comes to height, how the models were built, the terrain they're on, the varying depth of field, angles the shots were taken, and if they've been doctored or not for cinematics.
If it were just 1 or 2 images, I might agree with you. But we've seen it next to an Avatar of which we know the height, bad perspective? Maybe, but it suggests ~6". We've seen it next to a Trygon of which we know the height. Maybe the Trygon is closer to the camera and it's just a weird picture? Maybe, but it again suggests ~6". We've had people say it's mounted on a 120mm base, and the images show that it's not much taller than the base is wide, so again suggesting ~6" tall. We have on GW's site they put a Space Marine next to it for scale, measure it out, it ends up about 6" tall.
So we have several pictures suggesting it's 6 to 6.5" tall, GW saying it's 8" tall on their website and 1 picture next to a Riptide which is hard to tell anything from (and FWIW, the Riptide is only about the same height as a Trygon anyway).
From that, I'm guessing it's probably 6 to 6.5" tall and GW made a typo with saying it's 8". I'll be pleasantly surprised if it is actually 8".
Could be. Personally I can see it sitting at 7", but not as small as 6". I'm just going off what I've seen, and knowing that GW are just as bad at image/video production as they are at customer satisfaction.
Stus67 wrote: you guys put a lot of faith into pictures that have close to no actual visible information when it comes to height, how the models were built, the terrain they're on, the varying depth of field, angles the shots were taken, and if they've been doctored or not for cinematics.
If it were just 1 or 2 images, I might agree with you. But we've seen it next to an Avatar of which we know the height, bad perspective? Maybe, but it suggests ~6". We've seen it next to a Trygon of which we know the height. Maybe the Trygon is closer to the camera and it's just a weird picture? Maybe, but it again suggests ~6". We've had people say it's mounted on a 120mm base, and the images show that it's not much taller than the base is wide, so again suggesting ~6" tall. We have on GW's site they put a Space Marine next to it for scale, measure it out, it ends up about 6" tall.
So we have several pictures suggesting it's 6 to 6.5" tall, GW saying it's 8" tall on their website and 1 picture next to a Riptide which is hard to tell anything from (and FWIW, the Riptide is only about the same height as a Trygon anyway).
From that, I'm guessing it's probably 6 to 6.5" tall and GW made a typo with saying it's 8". I'll be pleasantly surprised if it is actually 8".
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
You do realize that GW has had these knights designed at smaller scale for nearly 25 years, right?
YakManDoo wrote: Um...hate to do this, but it looks like GW ripped off the Cygnar Stormwall and threw a Chainsword on it. I love the model, but this is a PP influenced release with a PP influenced model.
d-usa wrote: Having held both these models in my hand the Knight is a good chunk taller even with the other guy being modeled on an elevated base.
I don't own a riptide, but from what I've seen, it's shorter than a Trygon, which is 5.5". So the Imperial Knight would feel a good chunk taller even if it's only 6.5" tall.
But yeah, given the contradicting information, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, maybe someone can photograph it next to a ruler or measure it out for us.
d-usa wrote: Having held both these models in my hand the Knight is a good chunk taller even with the other guy being modeled on an elevated base.
I don't own a riptide, but from what I've seen, it's shorter than a Trygon, which is 5.5". So the Imperial Knight would feel a good chunk taller even if it's only 6.5" tall.
But yeah, given the contradicting information, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, maybe someone can photograph it next to a ruler or measure it out for us.
I think it would probably have been just a little bit too obvious if I yanked out my ruler . But it would have cleared things up quite a bit.
YakManDoo wrote: You are aware that Privateer Press maintains two of the best selling miniature wargames on the market in Hordes/Warmachine? You are aware that Privateer Press continues to grow in the segment? You are aware that Dreamforge is effectively a one man shop?
And? DreamForge came out with their resin knight quite some time ago. It was years of pleading on our part that finally pushed him to use Kickstart the plastic version back in 2012. Even then, people were discussing the model's use as a Warhound "counts as" and not a PP knockoff.
YakManDoo wrote: Privateer Press pushed the large model strategy over the last three years and has come up big. GW has followed suit in the last year. Shall we count the kits since 6th edition? GW is chasing PP's strategy.
Please, do remind me, when did GW release the Baneblade and Stompa plastic kits? 2007? 2008? How long has Forge World been making large models like the Deff Dread? No, GW isn't chasing PP. If anything, GW is chasing FW.
YakManDoo wrote: ...the Imperial knight is clear evidence of an industry leader in emulate mode and not innovate mode. That is in no way a comment on the quality of the kit. GW is losing market share, and this kit shows they are not above following the successful strategy of an innovative and growing company.
Okay, this is just ignorance.
The vast increase in large mainstream kits in 40k has been post PP success in this product space. GW chasing FW? They are chasing themselves? That's damned near stupid. If they were chasing FW they'd be putting HH into plastic. Baneblades and Stompas crapped out their sales years ago when GW failed to pursue a large model strategy. In the last 1.5 years they dump the Tesseract, the Riptide, the Wraithknight, the Imperial Knight all in plastic, all mainstream, and all after their main competitor gains market share after the same strategy. Dream forge is not GWs target because They aren't a competitor. If you want to imagine that a teeny tiny shop like Dreamforge is why GW put these out you should go take a business class.
Yakmando now you are making up market research to cover over the fact your original post in here was stating that GW copied cygnar models or drew inspiration from them. I would like to see the market research you are quoting from, as if this forums majority is to go by then any thing that costs over £10 is overpriced. So PP models that cost £90 and more in some cases are not likely to be raking in the money for PP. Then let's not get into the fact Forge world have been selling the big stuff since before PP was even thought about.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: A nice model for sure, still waiting to see if CSM get more models besides the new Helbrute though...
Funny you should mention this, If you check the pictures of the decal sheets in WD. you will see they have actualy included the "MORTIS" decals, for Legio Mortis. Now unless GW like to get shot in the face by the Fluff police. Im pritty sure these will be rocking the front lines of a chaos space marine army pretty soon.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Except for Canadia, who appear to have decided that this is a race and have run out in front of everyone.
What can I say, we like to win.
The really funny part is I could have a Knight at a US discounter price with $4 shipping two days after release. I won't, as I don't really care for it, and it's not in the budget when I want to finish my Krieg, but at least when GW was screwing Oz there was a big ol' ocean full of Peruvian pirates or whatever other explanation they had.
Me? I can see 'murica from here if walk for a few minutes up a nearby hill. We don't even have a fence for a border. I don't even have to post for things, I could drive for less than an hour and buy things from a GW across the border and still save a bundle of money. And GW wonders why they don't do better here.
The real irony is Warhammer 40k is actually quite popular in Canada. I doubt it's much lower per capita than the US, but not many people are buying it from GW Canada.
Funny you should mention this, If you check the pictures of the decal sheets in WD. you will see they have actualy included the "MORTIS" decals, for Legio Mortis. Now unless GW like to get shot in the face by the Fluff police. Im pritty sure these will be rocking the front lines of a chaos space marine army pretty soon.
I think you are reading a bit much into the Obsidian Knight having 'death' inscribed on his Knight.
Funny you should mention this, If you check the pictures of the decal sheets in WD. you will see they have actualy included the "MORTIS" decals, for Legio Mortis. Now unless GW like to get shot in the face by the Fluff police. Im pritty sure these will be rocking the front lines of a chaos space marine army pretty soon.
I think you are reading a bit much into the Obsidian Knight having 'death' inscribed on his Knight.
Probably right, but god knows they would sell more of these than that Lord of skulls lol Just happy I have tyrants legion to use them with.
Justyn wrote: So I have not kept up on GW in a long while. With their new scheme, how long after getting the model can we expect actual rules.
all the rules you need are in WD
Excluding their position on the force org chart, who can take them as allies, who they can take as their allies if you use them as the primary detachment, what you do about a warlord if they are your primary detachment. It also doesn't fully detail the super heavy walker rules, so you need a copy of Escalation to get the most use out of them.
Except for the rules that tell you whether or not you can actually use them in your army...
Consumers don't want to know if they can USE a model, they just want the joy of BUYING a model without being hassled by silly things like actually playing a game... that's how the hobby works isn't it?
So, on the transfer sheet among the names of several Knight Households, there's the name of Legio Mortis, a Traitor Titan Legion of the Dark Mechanicum?
SarisKhan wrote: So, on the transfer sheet among the names of several Knight Households, there's the name of Legio Mortis, a Traitor Titan Legion of the Dark Mechanicum?
Oh.
Well, no. On the transfer sheet among the names of several Knight Households, as part of the Heraldry of a Freeblade Knight, is the word 'Mortis' which means 'Death'. There's no specific link to the Legio Mortis there.
SarisKhan wrote: So, on the transfer sheet among the names of several Knight Households, there's the name of Legio Mortis, a Traitor Titan Legion of the Dark Mechanicum?
Oh.
Well, no. On the transfer sheet among the names of several Knight Households, as part of the Heraldry of a Freeblade Knight, is the word 'Mortis' which means 'Death'. There's no specific link to the Legio Mortis there.
SarisKhan wrote: So, on the transfer sheet among the names of several Knight Households, there's the name of Legio Mortis, a Traitor Titan Legion of the Dark Mechanicum?
Oh.
Well, no. On the transfer sheet among the names of several Knight Households, as part of the Heraldry of a Freeblade Knight, is the word 'Mortis' which means 'Death'. There's no specific link to the Legio Mortis there.
Besides, Knight Households aren't a part of Titan Legions, are they? They are usually "linked" to them, but that's it, from what I recall.
Has anyone mentioned the fact these look like Cygnar Warjacks? Named after models in Warmachine (granted, we also know the historical value of it) and houses which have very similar names to those in ASOIAF?
tigerstyle wrote: Has anyone mentioned the fact these look like Cygnar Warjacks? Named after models in Warmachine (granted, we also know the historical value of it) and houses which have very similar names to those in ASOIAF?
Ok, I'll bite.
Yes, it has been asked, and answered, several times. So, to answer your three points :
- Imperial Knights are even older than Warmachine (cf. Epic. That was what, 20 years ago ?)
- They were always named knights
- What ? What next ? Are people also going to accuse them of stealing the colours of early-WWI french uniforms for house Terryn ? (Hey, look, blue with red pants!) oO
Also, the Obsidian Knight is totally a rip-off of Batman. Come on, the Dark Knight.
tigerstyle wrote: Has anyone mentioned the fact these look like Cygnar Warjacks? Named after models in Warmachine (granted, we also know the historical value of it) and houses which have very similar names to those in ASOIAF?
So what; the design of these models(admittedly updated for a modern aesthetic), the unit names, and house names all existed in GW's Epic system in the early/mid 90's, several years before Privateer Press even existed.
tigerstyle wrote: Has anyone mentioned the fact these look like Cygnar Warjacks? Named after models in Warmachine (granted, we also know the historical value of it) and houses which have very similar names to those in ASOIAF?
It's just people being lazy and not searching around online
tigerstyle wrote: Has anyone mentioned the fact these look like Cygnar Warjacks? Named after models in Warmachine (granted, we also know the historical value of it) and houses which have very similar names to those in ASOIAF?
So you're saying Privateer Press copied Games Workshop? Is that what you're saying? Because in that case you're right.
The Japanese price is 13500 yen, which is currently worth 79.11GBP. The world has gone mad. I should set up an online store and sell them to people in the UK.
so does anyone know when we can expect a codex for them I bought the white dwarf but there has to be more to it than that for a model that costs $140.00 I would appreciate some sort of codex even a digital one.
I actually bought my first WdWeekly (digitally) to read about the model. I've essentially phased 40K out of life, not because of anything other than I was losing interest. And I still am, but the Knight release still has a phantom pull. It really is a gorgeous model. If it had a power fist and another option for the ranged weapon arm, I'd get it to squirrel away. Anyways, though, four bucks to see something cool was worth it.
The point...no surprise, but the design of the Knight was heavily overseen by Jes Goodwin. And like 96% of their kits he has a hand in, this turned out well. This may be the most impressive of them, balancing their recent desires for toy-sized monstrosities to take the field, while retaining the detail of the best 28mm figures on a 7-8 inch giant walking robot. Even better, it oozes the aesthetics that long time fans associate with the universe. A really, really exciting model.
I had hoped for a pilot model on the sprue, and maybe some interior details (because stuff like that is cool). Maybe FW will do it, or maybe there will be a second kit down the line.
Got to peek at the new knight as it came off the fedex truck Hefty box for sure, it's growing on me already (but ouch 140.. battle.sisters gonna need a bake sale to get the requisition cost).
On the topic of height - GW has a pic w/ a marine for scale on the site. The marine is ~140 pixels tall (w/ base). Knight is ~620 w/ base. You get 4.36 "marines" high with those measurements. My caliper puts a marine w/ base in at 1.42 inches. So, we're looking at around 6.25" give or take a quarter due to any aspect differential in the image. it's also about 5.6" from toe to toe outer measurements.
Seriously, that's a bit of work you put in there H...and they are some specially fugly minis (IMHO, anyway.)
(Especially the SM stuff...really not to my taste.)
This Knight is a little bit of redemption for GW...and bring on the FW or indy conversion kits...
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Nightlord1987 wrote: Anyone hoping that maybe the Mechanicus knights would allow allying with CSM? Fluffwise, they could be "dark" Mechanicum, exchanging ancient tech?
Mate, quite a few folk in the thread have commented on that, or of having Chaos Knights...
Except for the rules that tell you whether or not you can actually use them in your army...
Being as it is an Apocalypse only unit (untill they FAQ the Lords of war for escalation) and in apocalypse you can take any unit unless it specifically says you cant. It pretty cut and dry. every one can use it lol
But it's not an Apoc unit or a Lord of War. It's kind've... nothing-y. We don't know how it works and what restrictions, if any, are placed on it outside of a small blurb within the rules article.
Can we expect a whole bunch of other models to accompany this guy in time? I mean the Imperial Knights now have their own faction section on the GW website. It would be rather odd having a whole faction that is strictly these guys (unless they have special ally rules that make them a sort of ally only faction).
tigerstyle wrote: Has anyone mentioned the fact these look like Cygnar Warjacks? Named after models in Warmachine (granted, we also know the historical value of it) and houses which have very similar names to those in ASOIAF?
PP Warmachine started in 2003...
Adeptus Titanicus by gw started 1988...
Battletech by fasa 1984.....
1880 Jules Verne novel La Maison à vapeur (The Steam House) featured a steam-powered, piloted, mechanical elephant.
The first humanoid giant robot is Tetsujin 28-Go, introduced in 1956, but he was remote cntrolled.
The first occurrence of mecha being piloted by a user from within a cockpit was introduced in the manga and anime series Mazinger Z by Go Nagai, first published in 1972.
ncshooter426 wrote: Got to peek at the new knight as it came off the fedex truck Hefty box for sure, it's growing on me already (but ouch 140.. battle.sisters gonna need a bake sale to get the requisition cost).
On the topic of height - GW has a pic w/ a marine for scale on the site. The marine is ~140 pixels tall (w/ base). Knight is ~620 w/ base. You get 4.36 "marines" high with those measurements. My caliper puts a marine w/ base in at 1.42 inches. So, we're looking at around 6.25" give or take a quarter due to any aspect differential in the image. it's also about 5.6" from toe to toe outer measurements.
My guess is that they made a mistake or must have pulled the 8" measurement off of a much more flexible digital model, measured head to toe with the knight standing at attention and not with legs spread.
On another note anyone notice GW using the term Iron Brotherhood for their bundle of 5 Knights... Isn't their another miniature company that markets their own machine worshipped under that trade name?
My local private comic store (Private GW retailer) called GW while I was in the store and according to them it is going to be a regular 40k unit (not just escalation, apoc) and any army can take them as allies.
I don't know how reliable that is, but that is what the guy on the other end of the line said.
tigerstyle wrote: Has anyone mentioned the fact these look like Cygnar Warjacks? Named after models in Warmachine (granted, we also know the historical value of it) and houses which have very similar names to those in ASOIAF?
PP Warmachine started in 2003...
Adeptus Titanicus by gw started 1988...
First EVER "mech walker" in science fiction was by Jules Verne in his 1906 version of War of the Worlds...
The first humanoid giant robot is Tetsujin 28-Go, introduced in 1956, but he was remote cntrolled.
The first occurrence of mecha being piloted by a user from within a cockpit was introduced in the manga and anime series Mazinger Z by Go Nagai, first published in 1972.
We have no use for your "facts" here!
We fuel our rage on blind speculation only!!
Away with you!!!
Also, GW totally ripped off blue from the environment. I mean, blue is everywhere. Someone should sue.
P.S. I want 5 of these Knights a.s.a.p. I might have to sell a kidney.
bu11etmagn3tt wrote: First EVER "mech walker" in science fiction was by Jules Verne in his 1906 version of War of the Worlds...
The first humanoid giant robot is Tetsujin 28-Go, introduced in 1956, but he was remote cntrolled.
The first occurrence of mecha being piloted by a user from within a cockpit was introduced in the manga and anime series Mazinger Z by Go Nagai, first published in 1972.
First occurrence of zombie that was not a thrall of a voodoo sorcerer : Night of the living dead, 1968
First occurrence of zombie that was hungry for the flesh of the living : Night of the living dead, 1968
First occurrence of zombie that was a result of “science” with no magic involved : Night of the living dead, 1968
First occurrence of zombie whose victims would raise again as zombie themselves : Night of the living dead, 1968
First sentence in this message to be even remotely related to the subject : none. But speaking about “first times”, Night of the Living Dead just beats almost everything else.
I was a bit surprised too considering the 6 Knight bundle is the cost of 5, so you essentially get a free one at that price. Not sure if the online retailers can offer those bundle sets, but at 20% off you would be getting another one free, so you could get 6 for the price of 4 if you can find them at 20% off somewhere. Still a ton of money, but if you got a few people together to pool funds you could load up on Knights at a decent discount.
Edit: Oops, looks like there is only 5 in the Iron brotherhood bundle. So no discount at all.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Except for Canadia, who appear to have decided that this is a race and have run out in front of everyone.
You just got my exalted!
As a Canadian, $170CAD is a bit much for my wallet, especially I'm on a GW diet. Even at 20% from FLAG I think it is a bit overpriced. For $136 I can get similiar Gundam models that are much bigger, better constructed, etc.
Back on topic, a lot of people who 'quit' buying GW, including myself, are really paying attention to this model, GW's financial turnover could largely be dependent on the Imperial Knights, if they priced it right, they can get a lot of the quitters back to buying, and once you start buying....
So far I'm not tempted yet, but I can see some 'quitters' the price might tip them back to buying.
tigerstyle wrote: Has anyone mentioned the fact these look like Cygnar Warjacks? Named after models in Warmachine (granted, we also know the historical value of it) and houses which have very similar names to those in ASOIAF?
It is a well known fact that GW rips off many themes for their units and calls them their own. A notable example is the chainsaw weapons, which were stolen directly from the video game, Gears of War.
tigerstyle wrote: Has anyone mentioned the fact these look like Cygnar Warjacks? Named after models in Warmachine (granted, we also know the historical value of it) and houses which have very similar names to those in ASOIAF?
It is a well known fact that GW rips off many themes for their units and calls them their own. A notable example is the chainsaw weapons, which were stolen directly from the video game, Gears of War.
I am not entirely sure if everyone will get the Gears of War joke here
tigerstyle wrote: Has anyone mentioned the fact these look like Cygnar Warjacks? Named after models in Warmachine (granted, we also know the historical value of it) and houses which have very similar names to those in ASOIAF?
It is a well known fact that GW rips off many themes for their units and calls them their own. A notable example is the chainsaw weapons, which were stolen directly from the video game, Gears of War.
I am not entirely sure if everyone will get the Gears of War joke here
dienekes96 wrote: I actually bought my first WdWeekly (digitally) to read about the model. I've essentially phased 40K out of life, not because of anything other than I was losing interest. And I still am, but the Knight release still has a phantom pull. It really is a gorgeous model. If it had a power fist and another option for the ranged weapon arm, I'd get it to squirrel away. Anyways, though, four bucks to see something cool was worth it.
The point...no surprise, but the design of the Knight was heavily overseen by Jes Goodwin. And like 96% of their kits he has a hand in, this turned out well. This may be the most impressive of them, balancing their recent desires for toy-sized monstrosities to take the field, while retaining the detail of the best 28mm figures on a 7-8 inch giant walking robot. Even better, it oozes the aesthetics that long time fans associate with the universe. A really, really exciting model.
I had hoped for a pilot model on the sprue, and maybe some interior details (because stuff like that is cool). Maybe FW will do it, or maybe there will be a second kit down the line.
Gorgeous model, though. All hail Jes.
It is interesting to note that if you look at the sprue on the GW site. The pilot hatch is a separate piece. A FEW cockpit will be a no brainer. If no When I pick one up I will make an interior myself though
So has it said in the WD whether or not this will be a supplement? or is THIS the supplement?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was going to buy the WD and read it myself but it sounds like there is some ambiguity about them.
Like who they can ally with, what Force org slot they would take up, are they a lord or war, etc.
If I'm going to get goofy looks and rules lawyering when I plop an admittedly awesome Knight down on the table, I'll wait for some more concrete rules clarification.
I know - I don't get the extra packaging for 3 or 5 models with no discount. I mean, is GW worried that their customers are too lazy to add 5 to a cart rather than click the 'Iron Brotherhood'? Or maybe they're worried someone is too stupid to figure out the internets and how add more than 1 to their cart.
Well, the price was abit of a suprise (at first), but the wife caught me eyeballing it so I have a sneakimg suspicion I'll be getting one for my birthday. The fluff for my IG long had them originating from a knightworld, and finally I can (legally) complete the concept.
Hats off to GW for this one. We don't always agree but well done.
Starfarer wrote: It is a well known fact that GW rips off many themes for their units and calls them their own. A notable example is the chainsaw weapons, which were stolen directly from the video game, Gears of War.
Starfarer wrote: It is a well known fact that GW rips off many themes for their units and calls them their own. A notable example is the chainsaw weapons, which were stolen directly from the video game, Gears of War.
I know - I don't get the extra packaging for 3 or 5 models with no discount. I mean, is GW worried that their customers are too lazy to add 5 to a cart rather than click the 'Iron Brotherhood'? Or maybe they're worried someone is too stupid to figure out the internets and how add more than 1 to their cart.
There's no "extra packaging" most likely.
You're just buying 3 or 5 models and you'll get them shipped like that.
I know - I don't get the extra packaging for 3 or 5 models with no discount. I mean, is GW worried that their customers are too lazy to add 5 to a cart rather than click the 'Iron Brotherhood'? Or maybe they're worried someone is too stupid to figure out the internets and how add more than 1 to their cart.
There's no "extra packaging" most likely.
You're just buying 3 or 5 models and you'll get them shipped like that.
So it really is a matter of them thinking that we're just too dumb to just add 3 or 5 to the cart.
bu11etmagn3tt wrote: First EVER "mech walker" in science fiction was by Jules Verne in his 1906 version of War of the Worlds...
The first humanoid giant robot is Tetsujin 28-Go, introduced in 1956, but he was remote cntrolled.
The first occurrence of mecha being piloted by a user from within a cockpit was introduced in the manga and anime series Mazinger Z by Go Nagai, first published in 1972.
I got to see a knight model at the local GW shop today (GW shops get a sample model early so that the manager can have a built painted one on display for release) having actually seen it myself the model is GORGOUS
BrianDavion wrote: I got to see a knight model at the local GW shop today (GW shops get a sample model early so that the manager can have a built painted one on display for release) having actually seen it myself the model is GORGOUS
For not taking a picture of it next to a ruler you are condemned to the 58th circle of hell along with people that pay by cheque at the grocery store and telemarketers.
Yes, we are aware of what the GW site says. However, comparison pictures within WD and on GW's site seem to undermine the 8" statement on the product page.
GW site saying that the Knight is 8" tall, is like GW saying that they do the best looking models, with the utmost quality on the market, and then you look at the Mutilators and the Centurions...
Do you get now? NEVER BELIEVE WHAT A GW SITE SAYS, its a rule in life...
While I don't think it quite hits 8", the photoshopped pictures of it measuring out to 6.5 inches totally fail to account for the fact that the Knight and the Marine are not at all even on the z-axis.
It is a nicely imposing model, even at 7.whatever inches tall.
Actually the bottom left reminds me of the transformers for some reason, possibly the decepticons, like the fallen or the little dude Megan Fow captures.... Or maybe I am going slightly crazy.... I cant afford one yet, but when I can... I am getting me one of these!!
Picked up WD today, had to walk down to GW and WHSmiths didn't have it. They had two unopened copies of the first "Visions" though.
Friendly GW staff in the Glasgow branch, seemed really busy too.
It would have been good if the rules for using these as an army were a little clearer. In saying that I'd imagine that take between 3 - 6 Knights as a Primary is fairly self explanatory. How do you pick a Warlord though? Has anybody figured that out?
Hopefully GW have an actual publication or rules clarification thought of. It'd be nice if the had a basic Knight army selection, perhaps borrowing some units from IG and renaming them. They could probably get that out in WD weekly relatively soon.
I quite like the concept of WD weekly as it means you can kind of pick and choose between what content you want. I don't imagine I'd ever buy all four, except perhaps under the most extraordinary circumstances
AegisGrimm wrote: Holy crap- it's like you people are just waiting with baited breath to jump on someone for something they post.
*Slap* "No! You're stupid!"
It's not so much that, it's more the 24 hour delay that seems to be occurring in your time zone. A quick scan of the pages that I guess you had missed would have seen that your comment had already been made and discussed in some detail.
And the P&P is an extra tenner, so it doesn't end up being a deal compared to other retailers.
Just wanted to drag this up as if the other retailer is Total Wargamer, which I think it might be, you could be waiting a very long time. Obviously the Darksphere P&P kills it a little but they are good for large orders and they are very fast shipping wise.
I think I'm likely to buy one of these at some point (the Knight, not any of those other things).
I like...a lot of those though. Even the ones that I think are silly are conceptually silly and not a bad sculpt.
All of them would have blown my tiny mind as a thirteen year old getting in to Warhammer.
Just pre-ordered 3 of these badboys from my local game shop for $99.99 each! I can't wait to put these together. My ork blood wants me to loot them though... Must resist!
Lord Scythican wrote: Just pre-ordered 3 of these badboys from my local game shop for $99.99 each! I can't wait to put these together. My ork blood wants me to loot them though... Must resist!
Lord Scythican wrote: Just pre-ordered 3 of these badboys from my local game shop for $99.99 each! I can't wait to put these together. My ork blood wants me to loot them though... Must resist!
WHAT?!? WHEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Was going to say the same... then I saw the flag. Being in Canadia sux.
"...say Jervis Johnson, his deep sonorous voice filling the White Dwarf hobby room as he speaks."
I mean, we're just going to let that one go?
We're okay with that?!?
They're describing how JJ is describing something?
Saw that and it made me chuckle.
I have never heard audio of Jervis Johnson, but that description makes me think of Barry White singing a love song to the Knight model. Maybe I'll put some Barry White on while I unbox this model--you know, while I am playing with my bits and such.
I have met Jarvis Johnson a couple of times, At the first couple of warhammer 40K tournaments in nottingham And trust me on this I have never met anyone who reminded me more of Mr Bean (Rowan Atkinson character) in all my days, He does not have a voice you'd happily sit and listen to for hours without laughing in his face.
. Muwahahah...
