Pacific wrote: That was far more of a reply than my post warranted!
Sorry if I touched a nerve, no offense was intended..
Kan has some pretty strong opinions (and I gotta say I don't think I agree with any more than 1/2 of them) but there do get to be some times when it seems that some of the threads have a "Beat up Kan" day.
It is understandable that he gets a bit touchy now and then, but I wouldn't have put your post as beyond the pale.
Pacific wrote: That was far more of a reply than my post warranted!
Sorry if I touched a nerve, no offense was intended..
Kan has some pretty strong opinions (and I gotta say I don't think I agree with any more than 1/2 of them) but there do get to be some times when it seems that some of the threads have a "Beat up Kan" day.
It is understandable that he gets a bit touchy now and then, but I wouldn't have put your post as beyond the pale.
Then maybe he should answer them and instead answer the question of what compaines he was talking about. As we really like to what small company growing 75% in one year and nearly 25% in the years leading up that could of handle the the last quarter better. As the only company I can think of with that much growth had world wide stock problem and PP was much bigger then CB at the time.
For the inexperienced, here's an example of it happening to another company. This very same thing happened to Paizo just this past September, with the release of the new version of their adventure card game, and its peripherals. Paizo had to adjust-- read delay-- their release schedules (for the decks, for Organized Play, etc) several times because of foul ups at the printers, Carta Mundi IIRC. It was a big release too. When a company relies on 3rd party printing, this will happen from time to time, as it did to CB previously with, hmmm, Paradiso? How may printers in Spain can handle this sort of thing anyway?
Do read the entire thread on BoW. Distributors expect to have it on the 15th, so retailers should have it within a week of that day-- The 19th was mentioned by Wayland Games, but how reliable are they? Given that it was to ship from CB on the 8th (as we were repeatedly informed), when were the distributors going to get it, or the retailers, anyway? CB never gave dates for that.
CB gets enough of my $$ for Infinity already.
A delay will let my wallet recover a bit.
With anything rushed to deliver, it's best to see it take longer and done right. Nobody wants some rushed mess full of errors, defects, mistakes & what-have-you.
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GrimDork wrote: I see that you are now that I look, it is a shame you're on the wrong side of the pond
I've got to say that earlier tip about circular adhesive scrapbooking sticker things was spot on:
For those of you who might be
A) Too lazy to leave the house.
B) Want to save a buck.
C) Have a beef with Hobby Lobby (it's an American thing, we're a little special here).
No beef with Hobby Lobby, just that there is none close to me, and the local Michaels has 2 things in stock, Jack and Squat :( Thanks for the link. I suppose I could check out JoAnns though. Bit more of a drive...
And this is a Republic, not a Kingdom. We want nothing to do with Kings. Off with their heads I say. Although, sometimes I think it is a Kindergarten. And the teacher is out of the room.
Red Harvest wrote:For the inexperienced, here's an example of it happening to another company. This very same thing happened to Paizo just this past September, with the release of the new version of their adventure card game, and its peripherals. Paizo had to adjust-- read delay-- their release schedules (for the decks, for Organized Play, etc) several times because of foul ups at the printers, Carta Mundi IIRC. It was a big release too. When a company relies on 3rd party printing, this will happen from time to time, as it did to CB previously with, hmmm, Paradiso? How may printers in Spain can handle this sort of thing anyway?
Do read the entire thread on BoW. Distributors expect to have it on the 15th, so retailers should have it within a week of that day-- The 19th was mentioned by Wayland Games, but how reliable are they? Given that it was to ship from CB on the 8th (as we were repeatedly informed), when were the distributors going to get it, or the retailers, anyway? CB never gave dates for that.
Yup another company that had problem. But I ask becouse of this post....
Kanluwen wrote: My experience is seeing other companies, just as small as Corvus Belli, not getting backlogged by a single big release.
In response to this post.
IJW wrote:
Kanluwen wrote: And quite frankly, Icestorm was a joke with how badly handled it was. That should not have caused their last 2014 release month(November) to get cut down to just two releases.
We've been through this before. The Icestorm pre-orders were the equivalent of about two and a half months' production output. Not two and a half months' new releases - two and a half months entire output for the factory including new releases, restock orders for the 400+ other items in the range and their 15mm historical range.
I'll ask again, because you didn't answer last time - what's your experience in business/production?
So I'll ask again Kan what companies are you talking about.
Nice. Looking forward to seeing the redesigned Hac Tao in miniature form. And the new YJ HMG is so much better than the old one. A lot of Pan O players will be happy the Squalo is here.
That's the same Penny that was available at GenCon. So...2.
And the Squalo remake has been known about for ages. Hopefully it means the other 2 Stingray TAGs soon, as they'll just use the base CAD model for the Squalo to make the others.
ImAGeek wrote: That's the same Penny that was available at GenCon. So...2.
And the Squalo remake has been known about for ages. Hopefully it means the other 2 Stingray TAGs soon, as they'll just use the base CAD model for the Squalo to make the others.
Squalo uses the same body as the Jotum and Dragoe.
Are you sure that isn't Naruto queuing up multiple rasengans?
That almost has to be some kind of freakish new CA unit, color me intrigued
Hmm. A squalo would just about fill up the Pan-O points for my Icestorm box, maybe after they get the profiles readjusted and released I can start trying to figure one in.
The blurry quarter (or less) photo makes me think of the army builder software for some reason.
A couple of Infinity miniatures are featuring in the Beasts of War 2014 awards, both as 'best sci-fi game' and a couple of individual entries for Angel Giraldez's miniatures in best painted, and a sculpt.
ImAGeek wrote: That's the same Penny that was available at GenCon. So...2.
And the Squalo remake has been known about for ages. Hopefully it means the other 2 Stingray TAGs soon, as they'll just use the base CAD model for the Squalo to make the others.
Squalo uses the same body as the Jotum and Dragoe.
Although I like the potential of the N3 Hac Tao hacker, I am glad the HMG is getting a resculpt. The only good Hac Tao mini is the very first one they made. The rest are either completely out of scale with the line or have an ugly awkward pose.
That said, we don't know that it isn't a hacker with an HMG yet.
Savnock wrote: I welcome more Hac Taos. I will have all of them. Sitting right on the edge of my DZ. Waiting to head towards yours at 4-4. N3 is going to rule.
The Hac Tao ML is my favorite power armor mini in the YJ line, and that's saying something.
I've held off on buying Hac Tao mainly because they're a huge point sink in any list. I think they'll be much more useful than just an invisible missile turret in N3.
I'm glad I've held off. This is a great opportunity to unify the look of them because the 3 models now are all over the place in style.
AG is advertising his nominated miniatures for the Beasts of War annual awards, not surprised to see the Kum riders and Yojimbo among those short-listed
With Penthesilea nominated/winning a bunch of stuff last year and both the Kum and Yojimbo being nominated for a bunch of stuff this year, I'd imagine CB will produce more motorcyclists in the future.
Here's hoping we have Aleph Amazons versus Japanese Aragotos versus an entire sectorial of Khanate bikers. Can't get enough motorcycles.
Absolutionis wrote: With Penthesilea nominated/winning a bunch of stuff last year and both the Kum and Yojimbo being nominated for a bunch of stuff this year, I'd imagine CB will produce more motorcyclists in the future.
Here's hoping we have Aleph Amazons versus Japanese Aragotos versus an entire sectorial of Khanate bikers. Can't get enough motorcycles.
Like the idea, but can we find a little space for dirty Nomads as well?
I thought there was a pretty long-running rumor of a bike- or quad-mounted unit in USAriadna.
All these bikes mean we should be producing some motorcycle-specific scenarios.
I've got one in the works, but it will have to wait until both the holidays and my insane end-of-year work deadlines are done. In January, I vow that I will finish it!
We have the name for the USAriadna unit. They're bikers and they're called "Mavericks". They're supposed to use the same motorcycles as the new Haqqislam bikers.
They're also supposed to be a Warband, IIRC.
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ski2060 wrote: Pure speculation at this point. We have no idea what new units will be in either new Ariadna sectorials.
Not true.
We know that USAriadna is getting the "Mavericks" in the form of the bikers and the "Grunts" as the new line troopers for the Sectorial.
We also know that Spetsnaz were developed for the Russian Sectorial but released early.
CB are continuing to sell those two Acontecimento miniatures (that look like they may be 'lost') so perhaps they will?
Absolutionis wrote: With Penthesilea nominated/winning a bunch of stuff last year and both the Kum and Yojimbo being nominated for a bunch of stuff this year, I'd imagine CB will produce more motorcyclists in the future.
Here's hoping we have Aleph Amazons versus Japanese Aragotos versus an entire sectorial of Khanate bikers. Can't get enough motorcycles.
Remember also that there are tons of bikes on the roads in Spain, and motorbike racing is massive there. I think also one of the sculptors is a big fan, not only due to some small elements of the Penthouse miniature herself, but check out the similarities in some of the design ideas between her bike and this Kawasaki concept bike
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So I wouldn't be at all surprised to see more bikes in future, even new profiles that we haven't seen yet now that the sculptors have got a handle on it.
plastictrees wrote: Maybe they bought up all the monocycles that the Kum riders dumped.
As long as Bakunin will pimp my bikes am ok with it, they did great job with remotes and tags
Kanluwen wrote: Or let's keep motorcycles where they already are: Haqqislam and Yu Jing.
It's bad enough that both the Russian Sectorial and USAriadna are getting Haqqislam styled bikes jammed in there.
Sorry but I dont see anything bad in awesome models being made for other factions, and maybe Im not CB inside man like you are but I quite sure they dont go easy and just copy Hq bikes for Ariadna or any other fations.
The official release date was the 8th December (that was meant to be CB's own release date).
However there have been reports that there was a delay at the printers, it should now be with distributors on the 15th, with retailers on or before the 19th.
Think if you're ordering from central Europe direct from CB or courier delivery from a retailer you might get it, otherwise its going to be after Xmas.
Pacific wrote: AG is advertising his nominated miniatures for the Beasts of War annual awards, not surprised to see the Kum riders and Yojimbo among those short-listed
So they are advertising as being nominated for an award by a website which they in turn sponsor / use as one of their main advertising channels?
GrenAcid wrote: Sorry but I dont see anything bad in awesome models being made for other factions, and maybe Im not CB inside man like you are but I quite sure they dont go easy and just copy Hq bikes for Ariadna or any other fations.
The assumption he's working from is that the Mavericks will just have Kum rider bikes (because CB were their usual lazy selves and copy/pasted the 3D file for bootleg Penny, so of course they'll do that for all bike riders now amirite?) because their original idea was based on the big US bike jamboree that CB attended. There's also an equal possibility that the Mavericks got repurposed into the Kum riders and USAriadna will get something else entirely. Like the rumour/wishlisting/non-Kanluwen-sourced-so-not-trustworthy-at-all concept of Quad bikes. Personally I see trail bikes as more their thing, seeing as they're more bushland fronteir based fighting off Antipodes in harsh terrain, though I can see Quads/ATVs working as well. Choppers makes less sense there than riding across sand, not that they make any sense riding across sand, that is..
Pacific wrote: AG is advertising his nominated miniatures for the Beasts of War annual awards, not surprised to see the Kum riders and Yojimbo among those short-listed
So they are advertising as being nominated for an award by a website which they in turn sponsor / use as one of their main advertising channels?
Round and round and round and round it goes.
Aside from the fact that I would struggle to think of better nominations, don't pretty much every other miniature company advertise on BoW?
Pacific wrote: AG is advertising his nominated miniatures for the Beasts of War annual awards, not surprised to see the Kum riders and Yojimbo among those short-listed
So they are advertising as being nominated for an award by a website which they in turn sponsor / use as one of their main advertising channels?
Round and round and round and round it goes.
to be fair the nominations were based on what the BoW audience (and anybody else who decided to vote as it was not a 'closed' process) voted for,
and includes companies that don't have a 'special relationship' or even advertise on BoW as well
GrenAcid wrote: Sorry but I dont see anything bad in awesome models being made for other factions, and maybe Im not CB inside man like you are but I quite sure they dont go easy and just copy Hq bikes for Ariadna or any other fations.
The assumption he's working from is that the Mavericks will just have Kum rider bikes (because CB were their usual lazy selves and copy/pasted the 3D file for bootleg Penny, so of course they'll do that for all bike riders now amirite?) because their original idea was based on the big US bike jamboree that CB attended. There's also an equal possibility that the Mavericks got repurposed into the Kum riders and USAriadna will get something else entirely. Like the rumour/wishlisting/non-Kanluwen-sourced-so-not-trustworthy-at-all concept of Quad bikes. Personally I see trail bikes as more their thing, seeing as they're more bushland fronteir based fighting off Antipodes in harsh terrain, though I can see Quads/ATVs working as well. Choppers makes less sense there than riding across sand, not that they make any sense riding across sand, that is..
None of that is what I was trying to say, Loki.
Simply put: The mention that was done of the Mavericks most recently was that they were going to have the Kum bikes. Not because of CB being "their usual lazy selves", but rather they brought up the whole aspect of Ariadna having "no industrial production capabilities"(never mind that they keep four entire nations on a constant war footing...) so instead they get their bikes from Haqqislam. I believe this was GenCon of this year.
I've seen nothing about the quad bikes beyond some wishlisting or "wouldn't it be cooler" discussion over on the official forums. It would be cooler if they ended up with quad bikes or trail bikes, but they seem to be pretty insistent of late about sticking to the whole "Ariadna can't mass produce anything bigger than guns" spiel.
About the bikes for USAriadna and the Kazak sectorials, Bostria himself said both of them are going to happen. I didn't remember the name (Mavericks) until Kan said. I don't recall having read or heard anything about the model of the bikes, however. I'd rather have normal bikes. Motocross bikes.
Yeah, I remember something about USAriadna bikers being II (Impetuous Irregular) and Kazak bikers being regular and not impetuous, which would be a interesting thing to see, and would give some sense to the "neither Imps nor bikes get cover" (that makes no sense as of right now because all bikes are impetuous).
Pacific wrote: AG is advertising his nominated miniatures for the Beasts of War annual awards, not surprised to see the Kum riders and Yojimbo among those short-listed
So they are advertising as being nominated for an award by a website which they in turn sponsor / use as one of their main advertising channels?
Round and round and round and round it goes.
to be fair the nominations were based on what the BoW audience (and anybody else who decided to vote as it was not a 'closed' process) voted for,
and includes companies that don't have a 'special relationship' or even advertise on BoW as well
Indeed.. such as GW, who consider sites like BoW to be the enemy and will probably send them a cease and desist for having a 40k and WFB picture on the poll
It certainly isn't a surprise to me that the most popular games and models are showing up in the poll, though. Infinity is a great game, it has great minis and it has a great painter on call. But there is, I admit, a cause and effect here. Plenty of games get coverage on BoW but there aren't too many companies who can put out enough new releases and generate enough excitement for that coverage to be more than a news post. IMHO only the 'bigger' games put out enough stuff to warrant themed weeks or to come up over and over again during the weekender etc. Thus, if you were a fan of those games, you would probably go to BoW because you know that it's a good place to get content for the game(s) you love. So inevitably, when a poll like this is created, there are going to be a lot more..say.. Infinity players nominating Infinity and then voting for Infinity.. than there are, say, Deepwars fans.
..although, as it happens, I didn't vote for Infinity, at least not in the sci-fi category. Ignoring O:I, this year has just been another normal (e.g. good) year for the folks at CB. But I think that O:I and N3 (whether we get it late 2014 or early 2015) will launch them into a really great 2015. So unless Mantic can kick things up a notch or GW can turn into..a completely different company.. the sci-fi category for 2015 is already in the bag
To recap, according to Bostria, with a few annotations from me (about dates):
- There was a 1 week printing delay
- Books are due to arrive at CBHQ on the 12/12/14. (this coming Friday)
- Shipping from CB to distributors/stores/direct pre-orders will happen over the next week (Presumably the 15th, as we have heard previously.)
- Outside of that timeframe, CB obviously cant guarentee [sic] when books will begin arriving in the different countries.
- Any PDF version of the rules will not be released for at least 3 months after the release of the book, but thats at CBs discression and the time frame could be pushed out further for pdf release. So if you want rules ASAP, i highly recommend getting what will be the awesome books. (so the PDF version will be available sometime around the Ides of March? How propitious.)
And this is from the Australian Facebook group. Somebody from CB should have made this info generally available too, don't you think?
At this point, all that's happened is:
1. On the pre-orders, the tentative release date was specified as December 8th.
2. That tentative release date has not been update or replaced by an official release date.
If CB were operating on a "We'll give you an official release date when we have the boxes of books repackaged and ready to ship," then this is the same "No official news to report" situation that we'd be in right now.
And this is from the Australian Facebook group. Somebody from CB should have made this info generally available too, don't you think?
Yup, an announcement on the main website at least. Communication in general or lack there of does seem a problem on CB's part.
Absolutely nothing against carlost1t3th here... however
You kids and your damned internet!
We all expect up to the minute updates on things, but just give them a break.
It's coming & yeah, we might need to buy the book or wait 3 months.
I'm not saying they have graciously bestowed their rules for free upon us. However they deserve some profit from the release of a new book.
In the long run will it hurt the market for Infinity? Absolutely not.
Tournament/gameplay enthusiasts will bide their time, let their wallets grow fat with cash & grab new releases when the rules are free to everyone.
Those buying minis for the hobby/collectors end won't mind if they're behind a bit on the rules.
Besides, I'm sure someone will post their own scans of the book itself when it comes out.
It has never been difficult to find a GW book through unscrupulous channels. Infinity has become popular enough that I'd wager someone on the interwebs will grab their rulebook and a scanner to share it with us all.
BTW, I did obediently pre-order my copy. If it takes an extra week to get to me in lovely New Jersey that's not a problem for me.
Chill out folks; CB has a minor delay due to an issue with their printers.
Ive just noticed it seems quite common with CB to not update customers or clear up confusion when it arises. People were confused about the number of copy's available in Icestorm for example and taking 5 or 10 mins to write up a an announcement on the website or the offical forums saying there will be this many copies available or more if needed, or posting to say that the book will be delayed can be done very quickly and would leave fans better informed and more satisfied that they know whats going on.
I dont really care that the book is late personally. But I think communication is somewhere that CB could improve with minimal effort but that would greatly improve customer satisfaction.
The actual shipping date, meh, we won't see it here in the USA until mid-January anyway, so I do not expect my copy until the second half of next month. Now our Australian friends may not see it until Valentine's Day (a little sign of CB's amor for the Antipodeans ) and this is, I suspect, part of the reason for the delay in releasing the PDF versions. They want to make sure the actual N3 books are globally distributed before they make the rules available on-line.
People will speculate in the absence of hard information, like we see in this thread. A quick notice puts an end to so much of that. And it would be nice to be able to tell people when to look for the PDFs too. In my group we like the digital stuff. We all use our tablets for rules queries and army building etc...
I hope that pdf delay doesn't get any longer. I understand why they're doing it (to sell the hardback rulebook) and respect that but one of the reasons I'm considering getting into this game is because the rules will be free to try out. Of course, it wouldn't be any issue if the full rules had been put into Icestorm but that ship has long sailed. I'm not a fan of the disclaimer about the 3 month delay being at the whim of CB and may be extended as they see fit. I'd prefer if they just made a decision ahead of time even if that decision was 6 months.
That looks nice. I can only hope they release the army builder ASAP, before Christmass if possible. Atleast you have up to date guys and can play with the N3 spoiled rules.
The 3 month delay, while I get it, is not good for customer moral. People started this game based on free rules. A delay, builder wait, then a longer wait for free rules will kill the steam Icestorm built up if they dont hurry.
I too received the email from Element Games, saying 17th for the books being posted but sooner if that is possible.
str00dles1 wrote: That looks nice. I can only hope they release the army builder ASAP, before Christmass if possible. Atleast you have up to date guys and can play with the N3 spoiled rules.
The 3 month delay, while I get it, is not good for customer moral. People started this game based on free rules. A delay, builder wait, then a longer wait for free rules will kill the steam Icestorm built up if they dont hurry.
Out of interest, can anyone remember what the delay was between 2nd edition rulebook and the rules appearing online for PDF download?
I'm sure that the Paradiso rules didn't appear instantly, there was a delay although I can't remember how long (perhaps couple of months?)
Yes, somewhere around a couple of months. 3 months to give CB time to sell a decent amount of the new edition instead of give it away from free is a decent time table.
If people really want to support the company, then they can buy the new rules up front.
Pacific wrote: I too received the email from Element Games, saying 17th for the books being posted but sooner if that is possible.
str00dles1 wrote: That looks nice. I can only hope they release the army builder ASAP, before Christmass if possible. Atleast you have up to date guys and can play with the N3 spoiled rules.
The 3 month delay, while I get it, is not good for customer moral. People started this game based on free rules. A delay, builder wait, then a longer wait for free rules will kill the steam Icestorm built up if they dont hurry.
Out of interest, can anyone remember what the delay was between 2nd edition rulebook and the rules appearing online for PDF download?
I'm sure that the Paradiso rules didn't appear instantly, there was a delay although I can't remember how long (perhaps couple of months?)
Normal it is a lttle under 2 months, not really much longer this time. But, we live in a world where poeple change the channel during commercial becouse they take to long and are boring, modern tech seem to not teach patients.
str00dles1 wrote: That looks nice. I can only hope they release the army builder ASAP, before Christmass if possible. Atleast you have up to date guys and can play with the N3 spoiled rules.
I think the word was at the start of January. It also looks like Clippy is back.
@Noir: "patients" (pun intended or reffering to patiance).
Nice, reminds me of old Clip-thing form Word Office for Win95-98. I hope it will be some kind of interactive helper with cute name so we can personificate it a little.
It's heavy on page load but we don't have to worry about size. Dakka scales it to fit the webpage.
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Today we bring you something really cool directly from Bostria himself! He delivered upon us these previews of the N3 books! We have 4 files showing 8 pages of the books!
File 1 Orders and Order Pool What is shown? Regular, Impetuous and Irregular orders, as well as the new Lieutenant Order and the Order Pool.
File 2 Characteristics What is shown? Some more explanation on Impetuous Orders, but also Fury and a small bit of the Hackable characteristics.
File 3 Fiction on Ariadna
File 4 Fiction of the Combined Army
N3 As we all can see, the rule books are really cleaned up nicely! Big, colourful inserts that point out the important and easily forgotten parts of the rules. The layout is clean, with lots of pictures and diagrams to show what is told in the rules.
The fiction parts look amazing as well, with beautiful art, on par with the art from Paradiso. The fiction also contains short blurbs of text, shown between the text to show the fabled quotes that Infinity is known for!
Are you excited for N3? We sure are! We hope you all enjoy these little previews!
Man, that change to impetuous is huge. Impetuous (the lower level version) can choose not expend the impetuous order (they still don't gain cover, but still).
It is also nice the the impetuous movement rules seem to have been simplified and clarified with less wiggle room for interpretation. No more mention of being able to avoid dangerous stuff (not that suppression fire corridors are a thing anymore, but mines certainly are). They just need to bowl right through it now. This actually makes the forced movement a downside, whereas in 2nd it actually had the opportunity to avoid the exact kinds of tools meant to punish it.
So far less wiggle room and room for interpretation and misunderstanding. All movement on the impetuous order is directly toward the closest enemy miniature, regardless of hazards. Simplifying climbing and jumping to not being rolled will also help the other methods of travel be more common. All too often in my group, the need to climb or jump to reach the nearest target was ignored simply because of the clunkiness of these actions.
I'll be interested in seeing which troops are made Extremely Impetuous and which are made Impetuous. Kuang Shi are almost definitely going to be full impetuous, but I can see a lot of warbands (like the Daturazi) becoming just Impetuous and being a bit more controllable.
Either way, that's a cool change that allows them to have some more controllable impetuous troops (which is handy since impetuous movement no longer comes with the non-suicidal movement proviso).
He is friggin awesome. I guess I'll be running both Kazak and US sectorials when they come out.
I modified a Spec-ops with magnets to use as my BSG Spetz, but now this one will be coming out.
I wonder if they will get a BTS value with that full facemask oxy supply.
I love the new Spetsnazs model, much more than the recent scout and sniper Spetsnazs. The only thing I don't like is the lower leg - from the boot to the kneepad, everything seems slightly too big, almost Morat-sized, both in terms of chukiness and length.
Edit: I'm finding the official paint scheme kind of interesting.. I'm surprised they didn't introduce a standard camo pattern or add in a splash of red to help differentiate the green and tan of Haq from the green and brown of Ariadna (FRRM non-withstanding)
Nice clarification about orders and skills.... can't mix short skill + short skill, just short skill + movement skill.
Long skills are now called Entire Order skills, which is a mouthful
OMG the Spetsnaz, I know this year has been supposed to be awesome when it comes to Infinity models, but no other model has gotten me so excited about it. DO WANT.
It's interesting to note that this Base Rulebook references "Human Sphere" for information on Holoprojector. I guess this is somewhat confirmation that all the Human Sphere gear and skills won't be in the base rulebook and will be getting an online update.
Perhaps we'll be getting Human Sphere 'errata' PDFs soon to put them more in-line with N3. This being separate from the N3 public release of the rules online.
Knight wrote: You'll never be as manly as that Spetsnazs.
...nor for that matter, as manly as the Spetznochkas (spetznazochkas?). (If my understanding of Russian conventions for diminuitives is correct.) Gas Mask...nice! (if you recall that commercial.)
Apparently there is an event this week-end in Galicia and somebody will win as a raffle prize, a copy of N3. So, at least one person will have a copy by the 13th. So we can look forward to some info coming from Spain next week.
Absolutionis wrote: It's interesting to note that this Base Rulebook references "Human Sphere" for information on Holoprojector. I guess this is somewhat confirmation that all the Human Sphere gear and skills won't be in the base rulebook and will be getting an online update.
It's always been the case that this is the main rulebook and wouldn't incorporate Human Sphere and Paradiso. I've not been pointing that out repeatedly for no reason. :(
Pacific wrote: Some pics of said Spetsnaz, from Facebook.
I hope we get the last two load outs for him as well. I wonder how these would look in the Desert Camo I haven been getting good at painting? Guess we will have to see.
Absolutionis wrote: It's interesting to note that this Base Rulebook references "Human Sphere" for information on Holoprojector. I guess this is somewhat confirmation that all the Human Sphere gear and skills won't be in the base rulebook and will be getting an online update.
It's always been the case that this is the main rulebook and wouldn't incorporate Human Sphere and Paradiso. I've not been pointing that out repeatedly for no reason. :(
I know. We all knew. However, people were still not certain whether some HS rules like weapons or even fireteam rules would be in N3. Hell, even Spitfires are HS weapons and those things are quite common everywhere; I was at least expecting some of this stuff, not the lore, to be updated into the main rulebook.
I'm mildly surprised that they're apparently softcover rulebooks. I guess the GW switch along with most of my RPG purchases over the past year have ingrained hardcover as the modern standard for me recently.
Absolutionis wrote: It's interesting to note that this Base Rulebook references "Human Sphere" for information on Holoprojector. I guess this is somewhat confirmation that all the Human Sphere gear and skills won't be in the base rulebook and will be getting an online update.
It's always been the case that this is the main rulebook and wouldn't incorporate Human Sphere and Paradiso. I've not been pointing that out repeatedly for no reason. :(
I know. We all knew. However, people were still not certain whether some HS rules like weapons or even fireteam rules would be in N3. Hell, even Spitfires are HS weapons and those things are quite common everywhere; I was at least expecting some of this stuff, not the lore, to be updated into the main rulebook.
Weapons and rules, nothing. There's an entire faction in the Human Sphere book, and an entire faction in Campaign: Paradiso.
And if you watched the most recent Infinity Week videos, Bostria was discussing how the newly-invented-for-N3 command tokens would be used for link teams instead of the lieutenant special order.
So speculation that N3 was somehow going to drop the two most recent factions, and the most recent rules, seems a bit uninformed.
The question, really, was more "Would it be in the main text, or in the erratas to the other two books?"
Yeah, you can see from the picture. I don't recall, if this information was ever directly stated (later teasers or on one of the podcasts). Bit of a trivia play on my part.
I especially liked the guy going pew pew with the models
Books look really sleek, definitely going to have to buy them even if I won't be likely to get in m/any games. Production value alone is worth the trip
Absolutionis wrote: It's interesting to note that this Base Rulebook references "Human Sphere" for information on Holoprojector. I guess this is somewhat confirmation that all the Human Sphere gear and skills won't be in the base rulebook and will be getting an online update.
It's always been the case that this is the main rulebook and wouldn't incorporate Human Sphere and Paradiso. I've not been pointing that out repeatedly for no reason. :(
I know. We all knew. However, people were still not certain whether some HS rules like weapons or even fireteam rules would be in N3. Hell, even Spitfires are HS weapons and those things are quite common everywhere; I was at least expecting some of this stuff, not the lore, to be updated into the main rulebook.
Weapons and rules, nothing. There's an entire faction in the Human Sphere book, and an entire faction in Campaign: Paradiso.
And if you watched the most recent Infinity Week videos, Bostria was discussing how the newly-invented-for-N3 command tokens would be used for link teams instead of the lieutenant special order.
So speculation that N3 was somehow going to drop the two most recent factions, and the most recent rules, seems a bit uninformed.
The question, really, was more "Would it be in the main text, or in the erratas to the other two books?"
Yeah, it was always clear that all the bits of Human Sphere and Paradiso wouldn't be in the main book. But Human Sphere and Paradiso also had a lot of things that actively errata'd the core book (and some stuff in Paradiso that fixed up bits of Human Sphere).
This is going to be a little bit more onerous if the core book references the supplements quite a bit. Cross referencing multiple rulebooks is one of the reasons folks tend to like seeing a new edition. So hopefully the rules PDF will be all inclusive at least so that I'm not flipping to different files to reference rules (I mean, if they are going to take 3 months to release it, it would be nice if it were more functional and modern than the previous bare-bones PDFs they put up on the site; bookmarks wouldn't kill 'em at least).
And of course it begs the question on things like the Infiltration whether it will use the versions updated in Human Sphere (where infiltration became leveled) or if it will pretend other levels don't exist, use an errata'd N3 version, cause you to reference Human Sphere... which will need errata to work properly with the new scatter rules for deployment.
I think that would be less than ideal, I'm less bothered by the thought of completely new things not being in there than I am of having to double-errata rules causing folks to reference even more documents in play. So here's hoping the PDF rules will be all inclusive and contain up to date and errata'd versions of all the rules as they stand in N3 (since it is expecting a bit much from the core books which must conform to a specific size). So long as there exists a single document which can be used as a one-stop reference somewhere, then we have an improvement over the current situation.
If the inception of N3 means I need my N3 rules, Human Sphere, Human Sphere's N3 errata, Paradiso, and Paradiso's errata... then I am going to be a bit unhappy. I mean, the wiki is usually robust enough, but I don't want playing Infinity to either require a stack of documents OR an internet connection. Having, at the very least, a PDF document containing the compiled rules from all the books, updated for N3 would be ideal. Especially if they were formatted to be read since the documents we have now lack any kind of modern amenity expected of a PDF eBook (bookmarks mainly) and are just about the most un-optimized documents in my library (loading pages is sluggish, which sucks because they are quite low res despite the size and slowness).
A proper living rulebook online is currently what I'm hoping for.
ski2060 wrote: As the basic line troops of an upcoming sectorial as well as being in the main book, I would hope they come out within 2015.
We can't always get what we want, though :(
The big thing is that as of right now, we've seen nothing suggesting an updated Ariadna starter set, which likely would be a place to release the USAriadna Grunts similar to how the new CA starter is effectively an EI starter.
I'm hopeful that we'll see them sooner rather than later, but we all know where hope leads...
Absolutionis wrote: It's interesting to note that this Base Rulebook references "Human Sphere" for information on Holoprojector. I guess this is somewhat confirmation that all the Human Sphere gear and skills won't be in the base rulebook and will be getting an online update.
It's always been the case that this is the main rulebook and wouldn't incorporate Human Sphere and Paradiso. I've not been pointing that out repeatedly for no reason. :(
I know. We all knew. However, people were still not certain whether some HS rules like weapons or even fireteam rules would be in N3. Hell, even Spitfires are HS weapons and those things are quite common everywhere; I was at least expecting some of this stuff, not the lore, to be updated into the main rulebook.
Weapons and rules, nothing. There's an entire faction in the Human Sphere book, and an entire faction in Campaign: Paradiso.
And if you watched the most recent Infinity Week videos, Bostria was discussing how the newly-invented-for-N3 command tokens would be used for link teams instead of the lieutenant special order.
So speculation that N3 was somehow going to drop the two most recent factions, and the most recent rules, seems a bit uninformed.
The question, really, was more "Would it be in the main text, or in the erratas to the other two books?"
Yeah, it was always clear that all the bits of Human Sphere and Paradiso wouldn't be in the main book. But Human Sphere and Paradiso also had a lot of things that actively errata'd the core book (and some stuff in Paradiso that fixed up bits of Human Sphere).
This is going to be a little bit more onerous if the core book references the supplements quite a bit. Cross referencing multiple rulebooks is one of the reasons folks tend to like seeing a new edition. So hopefully the rules PDF will be all inclusive at least so that I'm not flipping to different files to reference rules (I mean, if they are going to take 3 months to release it, it would be nice if it were more functional and modern than the previous bare-bones PDFs they put up on the site; bookmarks wouldn't kill 'em at least).
And of course it begs the question on things like the Infiltration whether it will use the versions updated in Human Sphere (where infiltration became leveled) or if it will pretend other levels don't exist, use an errata'd N3 version, cause you to reference Human Sphere... which will need errata to work properly with the new scatter rules for deployment.
I think that would be less than ideal, I'm less bothered by the thought of completely new things not being in there than I am of having to double-errata rules causing folks to reference even more documents in play. So here's hoping the PDF rules will be all inclusive and contain up to date and errata'd versions of all the rules as they stand in N3 (since it is expecting a bit much from the core books which must conform to a specific size). So long as there exists a single document which can be used as a one-stop reference somewhere, then we have an improvement over the current situation.
If the inception of N3 means I need my N3 rules, Human Sphere, Human Sphere's N3 errata, Paradiso, and Paradiso's errata... then I am going to be a bit unhappy. I mean, the wiki is usually robust enough, but I don't want playing Infinity to either require a stack of documents OR an internet connection. Having, at the very least, a PDF document containing the compiled rules from all the books, updated for N3 would be ideal. Especially if they were formatted to be read since the documents we have now lack any kind of modern amenity expected of a PDF eBook (bookmarks mainly) and are just about the most un-optimized documents in my library (loading pages is sluggish, which sucks because they are quite low res despite the size and slowness).
A proper living rulebook online is currently what I'm hoping for.
I never know what people mean by a "living rulebook". How does what you want differ from the wiki, if it were updated to contain the 3rd edition rules?
Don't be crazy counting palettes and all that stuff.
I posted this photo on my FB profile instead on the Infinity profile (FAIL), showing you an amount of boxes full of books that were picked up by the carrier early this morning:
Today were shipped a REALLY BIG amount of books, some of them will arrive tomorrow to USA (east coast) and others in 2 days, 3, 4...
str00dles1 wrote: To arrive tomorrow in the US? Some in a few days? Did I read that right? That means it could happen before christmass. In my hands...
Yes, some of US distributors will receive the books tomorrow-on friday. EU, on Monday. Australia maybe on Friday/Monday.
str00dles1 wrote: To arrive tomorrow in the US? Some in a few days? Did I read that right? That means it could happen before christmass. In my hands...
Yes, some of US distributors will receive the books tomorrow-on friday. EU, on Monday. Australia maybe on Friday/Monday.
str00dles1 wrote: To arrive tomorrow in the US? Some in a few days? Did I read that right? That means it could happen before christmass. In my hands...
Yes, some of US distributors will receive the books tomorrow-on friday. EU, on Monday. Australia maybe on Friday/Monday.
Kanluwen, I'm not authorized to reveal that info
If you had a list of distributors.....
I think Koni is referring to the release of the USA Grunts box / new USAriadna starter.
Hoping against hopes that Warstore will be getting their shipment fast, being on the East Coast, and it goes out to people fast also. I would love to have N3 next weekend!
solkan wrote: I never know what people mean by a "living rulebook". How does what you want differ from the wiki, if it were updated to contain the 3rd edition rules?
Simple, a living rulebook is some form of eBook (i.e. something that can be accessed without a connection to the internet) that gets updated a things are added in order to make it a one-stop shop for updates. Now, needless to say this requires a different layout than the print book (since it may get things added, so being able to make a more modular layout that is largely art-free outside of examples is handy).
Basically, like the fan-made all-in-one rulebook from 2nd Edition.
Because when one has no wiki access, the alternative being 3-6 other documents can be quite onerous.
Usually, printing a new edition cuts back on the need for additional books by bringing a lot of previous information together. Unfortunately, it seems that the N3 core book may contain references to supplements from the previous edition (which will in turn need their own errata to update to the new edition), which is, at least to me, sub-optimal.
Ideally, the N3 core would contain only rules for things contained between its covers, referencing no other works. Then online you could have the living document containing the full rules (updated to N3) for the core, Human Sphere, and Paradiso along with a document for each army containing their full army list. Then, for those online you can have the wiki and army builder as alternate solutions.
But for folks who get play time in away from internet access, only needing to access a couple of documents is a better solution than having info spread over 3-6 of them.
I honestly have a feeling the PDF they post online probably wont amalgamate anything, so I`m not getting my hopes up. But it would be nice if the move to N3 meant not having to ever access the books of the last edition. Because those books will need more than a modicum of errata to be brought in line with N3 anyways, so needing to access them alongside an errata document is arguably messier than what we have today (though Infinity in 2nd Edition is difficult to play properly without even the wiki, so it also isn`t going to be as bad come N3 either).
Are we going to see the USAriadna Grunts anytime soon or is this going to be another Raicho situation?
If you listen to the Mayacast podcast, when asked this question, Carlos was very dodgy in his response. Basically in a nutshell - they understand the impact and demand the USAriadna is going to have and they need to plan and build things up accordingly. He was also very dodgy on when Acheron Falls would show up (thus there is a potential of not needing to wait around for it to show before seeing the USAriadna). I think once we see the N3 book and what other profiles are in there for USAriadna beyond Grunts (Hardcase Frontiersmen?) this will give us a sense for what we will see in the new Sectorial box. He mentioned that Minutemen and Foxtrots were getting a re-sculpt along with the addition of the new Hardcase Frontiersmen.
My guess is given the scope of changes and re-sculpts, coupled with the reception that the USA gives them every time they mention USAriadna during the N3 publicity tour, I am expecting to see USAriadna sectorial box at Gencon 2015.
Ronin_eX wrote: Because those books will need more than a modicum of errata to be brought in line with N3 anyways
You might be surprised at the level of errata needed or not needed. Anyway, I assume the easiest way to have everything in one document will be the same as now - use one of the PDFs generated from the wiki, including FAQs.
Red Corsair wrote: I am regretting using the miniature market now, especially when I live in Maine....Ugh.
I like their prices, but they are noticeably slower with getting pre-orders up and out.
The Warstore is not just a retailer, but also a distributor for Infinity.
Wouldn't be surprised then if Miniature Market gets their Infinity from theWarStore, hence why theWarStore tends to get the new products out the door quicker.
At some point, I'm thinking the 'free shipping' at $100 isn't going to be worth it anymore for me - at least in terms of getting INFINITY stuff from Miniature Market vs. The Warstore.
Possibly for the New releases. For anything they have in stock it goes super quick. Ordered guys Weds on their black friday sale and got them Friday, was shocked.
I just hope Efigs got it in and ships it to my FLGS ASAP. I should get it next week if so.
Might just have to do the combined army from the warstore if it gets it in as fast as all you say it does
Red Corsair wrote: I am regretting using the miniature market now, especially when I live in Maine....Ugh.
I like their prices, but they are noticeably slower with getting pre-orders up and out.
The Warstore is not just a retailer, but also a distributor for Infinity.
Wouldn't be surprised then if Miniature Market gets their Infinity from theWarStore, hence why theWarStore tends to get the new products out the door quicker.
I wouldn't judge it based on this order though, I canceled my operation icestorm from warstore and got my copy from miniaturemarket quicker, even got the promo figure.
Price wise they are the same for me. I live near miniaturemarket so I get hit with the local 7-8% sales tax but can pick it up in 5minutes, if I order through the warstore I pay more for the figures (generally) and pay shipping. Neal is great about matching their prices though
Also I could see MM becoming a distributor since they just sent GW packing.
I feel its good to have options Really though, I think I've gotten the better part of my non-icestorm infinity minis from Amazon of all places.
Don't, it's a seller's market there apparently and everything is at least full price. However, I don't always have cool things to spend those bonus point things on...
It's exciting to hear people will be getting their books soon. Looking forward to all of your thoughts.
Theophony wrote: Neal is great about matching their prices though .
Really? Do tell.
Let us not forget the tyranny of distance. Warstore is on the East Coast. Miniature market is in the middle of the country, some ~870 miles away. Of course Warstore will get it first, being closer to Spain. Think how much longer the folks on the Left Coast will have to wait.
As of this moment, my Miniature Market order is still listed as pre-order, but I got a bunch of other stuff on that order as well. I'm fine with waiting a few days to save some $$$, which I wlll probably spend on more Hobby stuff anyway. It's like that old experiment with children and M&Ms. Be patient, get more.
I won't get to gaming again until after the New Year anyway. Well, maybe one last game. There is a Dire Foes tournament at a FDGS (Friendly distant GS) this week-end...
N3 books are hitting Australia on monday or tuesday, according to both Underground Wargames and The Combat Company, and they'll be shipping them out to fulfil preorders as soon as they come in.
Theophony wrote: Neal is great about matching their prices though .
Really? Do tell.
Let us not forget the tyranny of distance. Warstore is on the East Coast. Miniature market is in the middle of the country, some ~870 miles away. Of course Warstore will get it first, being closer to Spain. Think how much longer the folks on the Left Coast will have to wait.
As of this moment, my Miniature Market order is still listed as pre-order, but I got a bunch of other stuff on that order as well. I'm fine with waiting a few days to save some $$$, which I wlll probably spend on more Hobby stuff anyway. It's like that old experiment with children and M&Ms. Be patient, get more.
I won't get to gaming again until after the New Year anyway. Well, maybe one last game. There is a Dire Foes tournament at a FDGS (Friendly distant GS) this week-end...
Just check his website(thewarstore.com) bottom of the page I think under the customer relations tab he says he price matches others. I've asked on a couple of things. He always backs it up .
As for the different coasts, somewhere in one of the operation Icestorm updates neal talks about his west coast distribution center. No idea what that's about though
Yeah, my Warstore order page says mine will be shipping from WEST. I can only assume that it will be from the Nevada spot. that might get to me faster in Texas, than from NY.
Micky wrote: N3 books are hitting Australia on monday or tuesday, according to both Underground Wargames and The Combat Company, and they'll be shipping them out to fulfil preorders as soon as they come in.
Fantastic. I've got mine paid and on pickup order. I work about 5 minutes from their store.
ski2060 wrote: Yeah, my Warstore order page says mine will be shipping from WEST. I can only assume that it will be from the Nevada spot. that might get to me faster in Texas, than from NY.
Probably not, the customs entry point for USPS is in NY, hence the rather quick turn around in shipping from the NY store. I expect the books came into NY, Neal picked them up and now has to send inventory to NV to distribute from there. The day or two it will take to get there, it would probably had made it to you from NY.
I know when we had the IceStorm snafus it was because of them getting held up in NY Customs.
Having said that, I am sure you will still get it pretty quick, I paid the normal shipping and Neal ended up sending my overnight UPS.
Ninjas MOV 4-4, CC23, BS 11, PH 12, WIP 13, ARM 1, BTS 0, W 1, S 2, AVA 2 Special Skills: CH: TO Camo, Infilitration, Kinematika L1, MA L3, Multiterrain
Hassassin Fiday MOV 4-4, CC 21, BS 11, PH 12, WIP 15, ARM 1, BTS 0, W 1, S 2, AVA 1 Special Skills: Basic Impersonation, Kinematika L1, MA L3, Multiterrain, Religious Troop
n-Well MOV 6-4, CC 8, BS 11, PH 10, WIP 13, ARM 0, BTS 3, STR 1, S 2, AVA - Equipment: ODD Special Skills: Forward Observer, G Remote Presence, Repeater, Sat-Lock, Sensor, SWC 0, Cost 19 Have to be taken as a pair...SWC 0, Cost 47
Corregidor Bandits MOV 4-4, CC 21, BS 12, PH 13, WIP 12, ARM 1, BTS 3, W 1, S 2, AVA 2 Special Skills: CH: Camo, Infiltration, MA L2, Multiterrain, Scavenger
Maakrep Trackers Unit MOV 4-2, CC 15, BS 12, PH 11, WIP 13, ARM 2, BTS 3, W 1, S 2, AVA 3 Equipment: AutoMedKit, MSV L2 Special Skills: Sixth Sense L1, V Courage
Unidron Batroids MOV 4-4, CC 5, BS 11, PH 10, WIP 12, ARM 1, BTS 6, STR 1, S 2, AVA 4 Special Skills: G:Autotool, Vogged
Plasma Carbine, Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 0, Cost 14 K1 Combi Rifle, Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 0.5, Cost 16 K1 Combi Rifle + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1), Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 0.5, Cost 17 Plasma Sniper Rifle, Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 1.5, Cost 24 Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun, Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 1.5, Cost 20 Spitfire, Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 1, Cost 18 Plasma Carbine, Pistol, Electric Pulse SWC 0, Cost 15
Fraacta Drop Unit: Jump Form MOV 4-4, CC 14, BS 12, PH 12, WIP 12, ARM 1, BTS 3, W 1, S 2, AVA 2 Special Skills: AD Combat Jump, Transmutation, V Courage
Fraacta Drop Unit: Survival Form MOV 4-2, CC 14, BS 12, PH 10, WIP 12, ARM 2, BTS 6, W 1, S 2 Special Skills: V Courage
Umbra Legates MOV 6-2, CC 21, BS 12, PH 13, WIP 14, ARM 1, BTS 3, W 1, S 2, AVA 2 Special Skills: Advanced Deployment L1, CH:Mimetism, Kinematika L1, MA L4, V No Wound Incapacitation
Abour doctor special skills, Doctor Plus: Has a +3 modifier for WIP rolls as medic., Akbar Doctor allows with a single WIP roll recover from unconscious to full health (not just to one wound). Can apply doctor plus, but not both effects at once.
in the rule book there are introductory rules,normal rules, 4 missions,the army lists and some pretty quick reference charts.
Casey's Law wrote: I'm very much enjoying Koni's increased presence as an arm of the company.
I nominate that he becomes a DCM and changes his title to "Fist of the Carloses" or whatever the plural of Carlos is to match that presence.
Wow, thanks for that nomination!
Anyway, the other Carlos of CB (Bostria & Torres) are also amazing guys, so we need to do something simmilar to a Sudden Death or Battle Royal or whatever to determinate who deserves the "First of the Carloses" title xD
I had seen that, yeah. Having seen that, I was just wistfully thinking it would be cool if you could group-fund it so everyone could be involved (plus spending 25 bucks for a quasi-joke is tough for me this time of year )
GrimDork wrote: I had seen that, yeah. Having seen that, I was just wistfully thinking it would be cool if you could group-fund it so everyone could be involved (plus spending 25 bucks for a quasi-joke is tough for me this time of year )
What you need to do then is create a kickstarter for it , anything past the $25 goal goes towards your infinity spending account. Stretch goals of longer years of DCM funding. You could get him titled AND have every faction ever made . I'm up for it.
GrimDork wrote: I had seen that, yeah. Having seen that, I was just wistfully thinking it would be cool if you could group-fund it so everyone could be involved (plus spending 25 bucks for a quasi-joke is tough for me this time of year )
Anyone who ordered their book kind of already did fund it...
Everyone who ordered their book funded us buying Koni a DCM so he could make the silly/appropriate title that was suggested?
See Warboss said this:
I nominate that he becomes a DCM and changes his title to "Fist of the Carloses" or whatever the plural of Carlos is to match that presence.
And then I said something about it being too bad you can't fund a DCM with a *pool* so everyone interested could contribute (and it wouldn't cost one person 25 dollars). And then there were misinterpretations of my tiny wee post.
Even more neat Corregidor stuff to tempt my wallet? Le Gasp! CC21? Double gasp. Is scavenger the one that starts you with a random buff like extra armor, or no that's booty or something. I guess he can pick up an HMG if he murderizes it's owner? And is good at fighting? Certainly seems neat.
If Bakunin gets anything drastically new like these gamechangers for Corregidor; it will likely be whenever Human Sphere gets redone. There was very little Bakunin in the main rulebook--but tons and tons of Corregidor.
And by "very little", I mean "four distinct units"(Lizard Squadron, Reverend Moiras, Der Morlock Gruppe, and Zeros).
Yeah, I remembered being a little disappointed when I got the 2e rulebook and there were just a few units. Pfft, I still need to get some Morlocks, riot Grrls, and other things for Bakunin, I'd probably be luckier if they *don't* get more units
Okay. A bit different from what I was thinking. Kinda fits into that same-ish roll as a Foxtrot.
If there are doing re-sculpts on the Foxtrots and Minutemen then it will be interesting to see if they changed the weapon load outs for them. If they were going to target a USAriadna box for Gencon with the possible contents being 3 Grunts (1 LGL?), 1 Minuteman (HMG or do they really want to ditch that crazy Panzerfaust / LSG model they are currently selling?), 1 Foxtrot (Boarding Shotgun?), 1 Hardcase (Tactical Bow + Rifle?).
It will be interesting to see what changes (if any) there are to the weapon load outs for the Minutemen and Foxtrot units.
Okay, before the discussion gets moved to the sub forum, I have to say, the prospect of new Corregidor units excites me. Hopefully we get some lineart for these new units soon.
NM, no disrespect but sharing new profiles etc. is definitely news, and exactly why I hit the refresh on Dakka obsessively. Seems a shame to move that to a subforum.
Also: Does anyone know where i can get some good TMNT 28mm sculpts? Because those "Jaguars" are definitely going to be represented by ninja turtles in my vanilla Nomad force. Go ninja go ninja go!
NM, no disrespect but sharing new profiles etc. is definitely news, and exactly why I hit the refresh on Dakka obsessively. Seems a shame to move that to a subforum.
Also: Does anyone know where i can get some good TMNT 28mm sculpts? Because those "Jaguars" are definitely going to be represented by ninja turtles in my vanilla Nomad force. Go ninja go ninja go!
Spoiler:
I don't understand why so many people have such a problem using the forums dedicated to Infinity personally? But whatever Alpharius will come along at some point to rule one way or the other, if anyone cares for my opnions on all things N3 it will be in the Infinity forum for all to see.
I use the news thread because not many people use the sub forum. I'd much prefer to dicuss things there, where we can have separate discussions in separate topics and it's all nice and neat.
-Loki- wrote: I use the news thread because not many people use the sub forum. I'd much prefer to dicuss things there, where we can have separate discussions in separate topics and it's all nice and neat.
I understand, but as you can see the problem you just admitted. People use the new thread, because not a lot of activity goes on down in the sub, but because so many hide in the news no one posts down there. Its kind of a weird self fulfilling prophecy lol.
All I can do is of course suggest, I am not MOD I just want to see the Infinity community flourish here and the best way to do that is make the sub forums more active.
Surprising in that they've given the Khanate three named characters, and disappointing that there's no generic female Kum. I guess we'll see bootleg Penny more often than I thought. They also seem fairly... bland? There doesn't seem to be much point in them being named characters other than to have them as named characters.
Well, my book is going out on Monday from Nevada. Seems my buddy, who lives on the other side of town, got his shipping notice from Warstore and expects his next Wednesday.
Same County, but he shipped today, I ship Monday. Boo.
Anyway... great thread on the Forums with spoilers galore.
ski2060 wrote: Well, my book is going out on Monday from Nevada. Seems my buddy, who lives on the other side of town, got his shipping notice from Warstore and expects his next Wednesday.
I feel left out, all these people getting shipped notices except me :(
Curious to find out what the Tactical Bow is like. Hopefully those aren't all the profiles for SAS. It's hard to justify them outside of playing Caledonia, since all the other skirmishers perform better for less. The only niche left for the SAS was an in-your-face turn 1 assault with the grenades, assault pistol and chain rifle.
Edit: Or was the assault pistol profile a Human Sphere thing?
-Loki- wrote: They also seem fairly... bland? There doesn't seem to be much point in them being named characters other than to have them as named characters.
There's a mistake in that profile, the second Twin has double Light Flamethrowers not double Light Shotguns.
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Dendarien wrote: Curious to find out what the Tactical Bow is like. Hopefully those aren't all the profiles for SAS. It's hard to justify them outside of playing Caledonia, since all the other skirmishers perform better for less. The only niche left for the SAS was an in-your-face turn 1 assault with the grenades, assault pistol and chain rifle.
Edit: Or was the assault pistol profile a Human Sphere thing?
The CRAP SAS is indeed a Human Sphere profile. :(
Tactical Bows are DAM=PH, DA ammo, +3/+0/-6 (8" each), Silent.
Silent = if you attack from outside LoF the target can't Change Facing unless they survive and nearby troops can't turn around either.
Also, don't underestimate CC20 + MA2 bonuses + Surprise Attack + a (Silent, Shock) Knife. Other Ariadna Skirmishers don't get to go around casually slitting the throats of anybody looking the wrong way...
Ninjas
MOV 4-4, CC23, BS 11, PH 12, WIP 13, ARM 1, BTS 0, W 1, S 2, AVA 2
Special Skills: CH: TO Camo, Infilitration, Kinematika L1, MA L3, Multiterrain
Tactical Bow, Pistol, DACCW, Knife, SWC 0, 26
I definitely want one. Even if the weapon itself won't be impressive I'll be fielding it just for the coolness factor Hope we won't have to wait long to see a new sculpt for it.
Tactical Bows are DAM=PH, DA ammo, +3/+0/-6 (8" each), Silent.
Silent = if you attack from outside LoF the target can't Change Facing unless they survive and nearby troops can't turn around either.
Is that an educated guess or it a confirmed weapon profile?
Tactical Bows are DAM=PH, DA ammo, +3/+0/-6 (8" each), Silent.
Silent = if you attack from outside LoF the target can't Change Facing unless they survive and nearby troops can't turn around either.
Is that an educated guess or it a confirmed weapon profile?
Confirmed. It makes the Tactical Bow Ninja at 26pt a bleeping sneaky git!
Also, don't underestimate CC20 + MA2 bonuses + Surprise Attack + a (Silent, Shock) Knife. Other Ariadna Skirmishers don't get to go around casually slitting the throats of anybody looking the wrong way...
To what is this referring? Are knives getting the Silent trait? Making CC attacks from camo worth it now?
So anyone know whats going to happen to Paradiso and Human Sphere? Way back when Id heard that those books wouldnt be updated and instead would get errata'd/pdf'd (booooooo!), just wondering what the plan is for the other half of the units in the game.
-Loki- wrote: They also seem fairly... bland? There doesn't seem to be much point in them being named characters other than to have them as named characters.
There's a mistake in that profile, the second Twin has double Light Flamethrowers not double Light Shotguns.
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Dendarien wrote: Curious to find out what the Tactical Bow is like. Hopefully those aren't all the profiles for SAS. It's hard to justify them outside of playing Caledonia, since all the other skirmishers perform better for less. The only niche left for the SAS was an in-your-face turn 1 assault with the grenades, assault pistol and chain rifle.
Edit: Or was the assault pistol profile a Human Sphere thing?
The CRAP SAS is indeed a Human Sphere profile. :(
Tactical Bows are DAM=PH, DA ammo, +3/+0/-6 (8" each), Silent.
Silent = if you attack from outside LoF the target can't Change Facing unless they survive and nearby troops can't turn around either.
Also, don't underestimate CC20 + MA2 bonuses + Surprise Attack + a (Silent, Shock) Knife. Other Ariadna Skirmishers don't get to go around casually slitting the throats of anybody looking the wrong way...
Access to DA ammo? Finally! Any idea what the burst is on the Bow? I'm assuming just 1, but that still is a really nice option and should be easy to get into good range with an infiltrating camo marker. Do all bows have the Antimaterial sticky, or is that just certain loadouts?
Burst 1. And yes, I forgot to mention Anti-materiel trait. There are no other bows, by the way.
A note on the Anti-material trait - it's functionally identical to the N2 rules in terms of only DA, EXP and K1 ammo being able to damage structures, it's just that the trait makes it easy to see.
IJW wrote: Burst 1. And yes, I forgot to mention Anti-materiel trait. There are no other bows, by the way.
A note on the Anti-material trait - it's functionally identical to the N2 rules in terms of only DA, EXP and K1 ammo being able to damage structures, it's just that the trait makes it easy to see.
So we are going to be able to John Rambo some straw huts?
Rambo was my immediate thought when I saw the Hardcase profile. I hope they don't go with that look though. I'd rather see something a bit more tactical looking, like a Vietnam LRRP trooper or something.
A Rambo model done well and not a ham job like sly marbo would be awesome IMO. It's such an iconic image, when you think of a Veteran holding a compound bow with demo tips you instinctively think of Rambo for a reason.... IT'S AWESOME!
I remember hearing once that when debating how to portray the USAriadnans, CB strictly wanted to avoid the cliche cowboy stereotype. With how the US Grunts come base with flamethrowers and even the cheapest Minuteman has a flamethrower, I'm assuming the Americans are going to be Vietnam-era themed. What better iconic character to put in there aside from Rambo?
As for interesting new units, the Mercenaries have a unit called a "Wardriver" which is a WIP 13 AVA 1 hacker. Recruitable by Ariadna only.
Absolutionis wrote: I remember hearing once that when debating how to portray the USAriadnans, CB strictly wanted to avoid the cliche cowboy stereotype. With how the US Grunts come base with flamethrowers and even the cheapest Minuteman has a flamethrower, I'm assuming the Americans are going to be Vietnam-era themed. What better iconic character to put in there aside from Rambo?
Absolutionis wrote: I remember hearing once that when debating how to portray the USAriadnans, CB strictly wanted to avoid the cliche cowboy stereotype. With how the US Grunts come base with flamethrowers and even the cheapest Minuteman has a flamethrower, I'm assuming the Americans are going to be Vietnam-era themed. What better iconic character to put in there aside from Rambo?
One other springs to mind
*smoke cloud of napalm and happy American guys or something*
I think it is more of this (hey, google said they are American, not my fault)
they need to eat something after spending all the day killing antipodes
IJW wrote: Burst 1. And yes, I forgot to mention Anti-materiel trait. There are no other bows, by the way.
A note on the Anti-material trait - it's functionally identical to the N2 rules in terms of only DA, EXP and K1 ammo being able to damage structures, it's just that the trait makes it easy to see.
So we are going to be able to John Rambo some straw huts?
You could, but it's likely to take an awful lot of Orders...
IJW wrote: Burst 1. And yes, I forgot to mention Anti-materiel trait. There are no other bows, by the way.
A note on the Anti-material trait - it's functionally identical to the N2 rules in terms of only DA, EXP and K1 ammo being able to damage structures, it's just that the trait makes it easy to see.
So we are going to be able to John Rambo some straw huts?
You could, but it's likely to take an awful lot of Orders...
I take it you can't stick Anti-material arrows to other models can you? That would be too good.
plastictrees wrote: They've never really done the ridiculously overt references though so I'm not worried about an Infinity Sly Marbo.
Ahem.
Omg.....I totaly know this guy my love for Infinity grow more
As for UsAriadna and Viet-theme, I think its actualy rly good choice, way better than waving flag in your face as no Infinity faction is crystal clear.
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Didn't they post a week or two ago that the rules would be coming out 3 months after the physical book or even later at their discretion? Was that in reference to some other ruleset version or did they change their mind?
Oooh look at Carlos, good work. I'll have to check those out.
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Seems people who preordered it may legitimately get it weeks after the free version at this point. Maybe cb felt it was better this way than having people cancel tournaments etc in Janurary.
carlos13th wrote: Seems people who preordered it may legitimately get it weeks after the free version at this point. Maybe cb felt it was better this way than having people cancel tournaments etc in Janurary.
Unless I missed something, that rules PDF is not enough to prevent cancelling tournaments. The other PDF, the one that update the Human Sphere and Paradiso profiles, is more important, from a tournaments point-of-view, than the rules PDF.
The book is already out there. The update PDF was not, last time I checked.
Not that I'm complaining about having the rules PDF!
However, the big stink over the week-end, from what I saw, was about the updated army lists. Human Sphere and Paradiso units are still in Limbo. Fortunately, there are plenty of units in N3, and new ones, for us to take a test drive. Going to be fun
Its very crisp and clean. I love how they show actions and the requirements to even do the action in a box before showing what the action can do. Over all im very impressed.
My only gripe is it is missing a ton of unit profiles, making most of my armies unplayable at the moment. but I will be spending a lot of time reading so I can wait
It's weird, I've got a browser pane open to the downloads page from a few hours ago, that works fine. But the main web page dies. Weird site failure mode...
Cool Tokens. I guess I'll wait to print and bottle-cap-sticker-thingie those for a while, may help to actually play first
Could just be my inexperiece but I don't recognize quite a few. Spearhead, supportware, tinbot, some of the larger ones for team lift and doors. ETc. Neat.
carlos13th wrote: Seems people who preordered it may legitimately get it weeks after the free version at this point. Maybe cb felt it was better this way than having people cancel tournaments etc in Janurary.
Well I'm certainly not complaining. I'd give them a standing ovation right now, you know, if it didn't make me look like a crazy git at work.
GrimDork wrote: Cool Tokens. I guess I'll wait to print and bottle-cap-sticker-thingie those for a while, may help to actually play first
Could just be my inexperiece but I don't recognize quite a few. Spearhead, supportware, tinbot, some of the larger ones for team lift and doors. ETc. Neat.
A lot of those you mention are brand new, N3 rules/states markers. Everyone is busy going over the rules to find out what those are for.
So.. for those more in the know, is this the same rules that they said on facebook they weren't releasing for 3 months? If it is, kudos to CB on a good PR move that is very fan friendly. I don't think it'll affect their sales much given that they seem to be selling out of their first printings of anything n3 related but it definitely helps fans who got the starter sets recently or will be getting them over the holidays.
Now they just need to put all hands on deck to get the Maghariba model out!
My books are due tomorrow, I applaud them for getting the web Version up before Christmas, maybe a little bit of a present to everyone. Either way when my copy shows up I'm going to be working on the ABH, my mini longneck bottles for him to carry in his rage fist are waiting too .
carlos13th wrote: Seems people who preordered it may legitimately get it weeks after the free version at this point. Maybe cb felt it was better this way than having people cancel tournaments etc in Janurary.
Unless I missed something, that rules PDF is not enough to prevent cancelling tournaments. The other PDF, the one that update the Human Sphere and Paradiso profiles, is more important, from a tournaments point-of-view, than the rules PDF.
The book is already out there. The update PDF was not, last time I checked.
Not that I'm complaining about having the rules PDF!
Well thats dissapointing. So even with N3 many wont be able to play their armies.
While true, it is a pretty enormous undertaking to update all of the profiles at once. However many hundred. The catalog has like 500 minis it it now doesn't it? And some profiles don't even have models so... lots.
carlos13th wrote: Seems people who preordered it may legitimately get it weeks after the free version at this point. Maybe cb felt it was better this way than having people cancel tournaments etc in Janurary.
Unless I missed something, that rules PDF is not enough to prevent cancelling tournaments. The other PDF, the one that update the Human Sphere and Paradiso profiles, is more important, from a tournaments point-of-view, than the rules PDF.
The book is already out there. The update PDF was not, last time I checked.
Not that I'm complaining about having the rules PDF!
Well thats dissapointing. So even with N3 many wont be able to play their armies.
Its PRE-ORDER, if you expected updated profiles for PRE-ORDER you lied to yourself. Last time I checked N3 starts at January 2015.
Usual questions right now with the potential INFINITY N3 players.
- ARGH! THE N3 BOOKS DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL THE TROOP PROFILES! CB LIED! NERDRAGE!
- No offense, but CB has been communicating this information since April. You can watch it in this video, this video, this video and this podcast apart from many other sources.
- ARGH! THE GAME IS INCOMPLETE! MUTILATED! DESTROYED FOREVAH!
- I guess not. The game is perfectly playable with the N3 profiles. All the rest of the troop profiles will be digitally updated and uploaded in a few days. That's what they said in this video.
- MY SOUP IS TOO HOT. I WON'T EVER BE ABLE TO HAVE IT!
- Give it a few days and it wont be a problem.
- I'M ANGRY ANYWAY!.
- And you are free to express yourself through the internet, but remember that the rules, the PDF, the Army and the wiki are given to you from CB, for free.
Gentlemen, we have been informed since APRIL. All these "surprises" are really not new.
Human Sphere, Campaign Paradiso and Dire Foes profiles will be available soon.
BobbaFett wrote: Usual questions right now with the potential INFINITY N3 players.
- ARGH! THE N3 BOOKS DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL THE TROOP PROFILES! CB LIED! NERDRAGE!
- No offense, but CB has been communicating this information since April. You can watch it in this video, this video, this video and this podcast apart from many other sources.
- ARGH! THE GAME IS INCOMPLETE! MUTILATED! DESTROYED FOREVAH!
- I guess not. The game is perfectly playable with the N3 profiles. All the rest of the troop profiles will be digitally updated and uploaded in a few days. That's what they said in this video.
- MY SOUP IS TOO HOT. I WON'T EVER BE ABLE TO HAVE IT!
- Give it a few days and it wont be a problem.
- I'M ANGRY ANYWAY!.
- And you are free to express yourself through the internet, but remember that the rules, the PDF, the Army and the wiki are given to you from CB, for free.
Gentlemen, we have been informed since APRIL. All these "surprises" are really not new.
Human Sphere, Campaign Paradiso and Dire Foes profiles will be available soon.
carlos13th wrote: Seems people who preordered it may legitimately get it weeks after the free version at this point. Maybe cb felt it was better this way than having people cancel tournaments etc in Janurary.
Unless I missed something, that rules PDF is not enough to prevent cancelling tournaments. The other PDF, the one that update the Human Sphere and Paradiso profiles, is more important, from a tournaments point-of-view, than the rules PDF.
The book is already out there. The update PDF was not, last time I checked.
Not that I'm complaining about having the rules PDF!
Well thats dissapointing. So even with N3 many wont be able to play their armies.
Its PRE-ORDER, if you expected updated profiles for PRE-ORDER you lied to yourself. Last time I checked N3 starts at January 2015.
What are you talking about. I mean it seems that when people receive their book they still wont be able to play their armies. I said nothing about getting profiles for pre ordering. Also I said its dissapointing. Nothing more.
BobbaFett wrote: Usual questions right now with the potential INFINITY N3 players.
- ARGH! THE N3 BOOKS DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL THE TROOP PROFILES! CB LIED! NERDRAGE!
- No offense, but CB has been communicating this information since April. You can watch it in this video, this video, this video and this podcast apart from many other sources.
- ARGH! THE GAME IS INCOMPLETE! MUTILATED! DESTROYED FOREVAH!
- I guess not. The game is perfectly playable with the N3 profiles. All the rest of the troop profiles will be digitally updated and uploaded in a few days. That's what they said in this video.
- MY SOUP IS TOO HOT. I WON'T EVER BE ABLE TO HAVE IT!
- Give it a few days and it wont be a problem.
- I'M ANGRY ANYWAY!.
- And you are free to express yourself through the internet, but remember that the rules, the PDF, the Army and the wiki are given to you from CB, for free.
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Gentlemen, we have been informed since APRIL. All these "surprises" are really not new.
Human Sphere, Campaign Paradiso and Dire Foes profiles will be available soon.
Have a nice day.
But I want soup NOW! Damnit
I want everything to work perfectly this instant & for free.
How dare they want to keep selling expansion books from the previous edition!
I'm glad I got the dead tree version of the book instead of just the PDFs.
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/aug/19/readers-absorb-less-kindles-paper-study-plot-ereader-digitisation ... for more than just having the fluff book.
It's going to take a while to read through and totally absorb things. Learning a new edition is harder than learning a game for the first time because there will always be subtle but critical changes to the most basic rules.
BobbaFett wrote: Usual questions right now with the potential INFINITY N3 players.
- ARGH! THE N3 BOOKS DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL THE TROOP PROFILES! CB LIED! NERDRAGE!
- No offense, but CB has been communicating this information since April. You can watch it in this video, this video, this video and this podcast apart from many other sources.
- ARGH! THE GAME IS INCOMPLETE! MUTILATED! DESTROYED FOREVAH!
- I guess not. The game is perfectly playable with the N3 profiles. All the rest of the troop profiles will be digitally updated and uploaded in a few days. That's what they said in this video.
- MY SOUP IS TOO HOT. I WON'T EVER BE ABLE TO HAVE IT!
- Give it a few days and it wont be a problem.
- I'M ANGRY ANYWAY!.
- And you are free to express yourself through the internet, but remember that the rules, the PDF, the Army and the wiki are given to you from CB, for free.
Gentlemen, we have been informed since APRIL. All these "surprises" are really not new.
Human Sphere, Campaign Paradiso and Dire Foes profiles will be available soon.
Have a nice day.
I haven't seen anyone claim CB lied here, or that it was destroyed forever.
So I have to ask what anger exactly? I literally just said well thats disappointing and nothing more. I also saw no one else express any kind of anger what so ever in this thread. Only one being dramatic to here seems to be you.
He's putting up a straw man, trying to make it seem like it's all just pointless anger. We see right through that.
Thing is, for most the main criticism hasn't been that it's not here now, but rather, it's not consolidated into one book from which they can further expand. That's the most confusing aspect, it's just a counter-intuitive move no matter how many ridiculous rationalizations you come up with.
Most people can figure out that the other stuff is coming out in pdf form online. The problem we have is that if it's free online anyway, just put it in the main tome. Instead, it's this half done thing involving old books that most people don't want, with information that was going to be online anyway.
So no, Bobbafett, you're not some enlightened being.
Yeah I have to admit I fail to see the reason in bringing out a new book that requires reference to the old one. Would have made more sense to consolidate everything into N3 and have N3 be the infinity rulebook until new ones come out. Sure they want to keep selling Campaign Paradiso but this is bound to lose them N3 sales as well. Not to mention its likely to be very confusing for new players (and maybe long standing ones) to purchase an expansion that refers to old rules that are no longer going to be relevant.
Whew I as about to weigh in too, good thing I saw that last post.
Sooooo... all gripes? No comments about all the cool new stuff? Surely some of you have found cool new stuff!? I found cool new stuff on the first random page and I only read to paragraphs of it
Seems like there will be various new interactions for certain models with the Sat-link or w/e and triangulated fire. Plus with new/more hacking things and so on.. sounds both a little bit more complicated and a bit neater at that. Still looking forward to some of you salty old Infinity vets hashing out the changes since I'm still too much of a n00b to comprehend some of the subtle ones.
Hacking looks super fleshed out and seems like it will be easier to know what you can and can't do. It's just a ton to take in with all the tables. I love this though and this is one of the better laid out rule books I've seen in a very long time
GrimDork wrote: Whew I as about to weigh in too, good thing I saw that last post.
Sooooo... all gripes? No comments about all the cool new stuff? Surely some of you have found cool new stuff!? I found cool new stuff on the first random page and I only read to paragraphs of it
Seems like there will be various new interactions for certain models with the Sat-link or w/e and triangulated fire. Plus with new/more hacking things and so on.. sounds both a little bit more complicated and a bit neater at that. Still looking forward to some of you salty old Infinity vets hashing out the changes since I'm still too much of a n00b to comprehend some of the subtle ones.
I think simply discussing new stuff can be taken to the N3 general discussion thread.
I am freaking super excited to tryout my camo-spam infiltrating Ariadna with a ton of silent killing models.
Models with any level of Martial arts now have Stealth, Surprise attack, and surprise shot.
CH models also have stealth, surprise attack, and surprise shot.
Stealth lets you enter ZOC of models without an ARO to change face or alert. You can engage models in CC, and if using a silent weapon, take them out without an ARO from nearby models. They can only ARO to Change face or alert if they live through your attack.
Friggin SAS, Scouts, Foxtrots, Spetznaz... all kinds of frikkin camo silent death creeping up on unsuspecting members of my Meta
Ooops, and to think I use them a lot, but I prefer the Booty 
Naw, you have to be kidding 
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