jake wrote: It looks tome like her robes and accessories are swaying in the wind. I don't see a problem.
If they looked lightweight, and the wind theme was carried through with hair or movement on the model it might work.
As is the model looks like it should be standing on a slope.
Perhaps her accessories have been anointed with oil from The Emperor's Drip Pan. Some say no matter what planet they're on they blow with the winds of Terra.
I was totally against the new repentia and defended a lot of even the tiny arguments but the slight sway of some censers on robes is REALLY nitpicky. Though I'm sure if they were straight down people would be complaining about it being too static.
Clipping off the giant mantle-thing seems reasonably easy, but if this is the only weapon options for a Canoness, I'm disappointed. It seems likely that we'd get one Canoness in a Big Box and one in a Clampack and a lot of whole model renders we've seen so far screams Big Box previews, at least to me.
John Prins wrote: Clipping off the giant mantle-thing seems reasonably easy, but if this is the only weapon options for a Canoness, I'm disappointed. It seems likely that we'd get one Canoness in a Big Box and one in a Clampack and a lot of whole model renders we've seen so far screams Big Box previews, at least to me.
Old Canoness should be a big box with one of those walker things Karamazof struts about in or was in the diorama a few pages back that doubles as a generic priest yelling pulpit.
Clampack should be a younger canonness with jump pack, power weapons and inferno/plasma pistol.
jake wrote: Heavy things also sway in the wind. Did you not know that?
I did indeed.
Still looks weird on the model. Probably because the perceived weight of the robes and censers would imply a strong wind, but the lack of twisting and combined with no movement in the cloth over the shoulders or head doesn't follow that through.
Giantwalkingchair wrote: The hate for the plasma is the sisters have the holy trinity as their thing and the handful of plasma weaponry is an abberation.
It's the principal of the matter and arguments of them being there and being modelled are irrelevant in the face of such principals. To support plasma is tantamount to heresy.
You're right.
But so many of the Sister's traditions are centered around GW not wanting to make new models and the writers making excuses for this. I feel like its time to leave at least some of that behind so the Sisters range can grow and evolve.
Does the origin really matter? It's a cool bit of background, just like all the other cool bits of background that made the setting seem different and interesting that were originally based in some business or manufacturing limitation of Ye Olden 90's. Abandoning the STC narrative to give every Imperial faction its own Specialsnowflakius Pattern vehicles hasn't been an improvement IMO, the result is stuff like the terribad DA landspeeders and the ludicrous hovercraft-thing for Skitarii. Functionally retconning away the idea that only the Imperial Navy operates proper in-atmosphere combat aircraft allowed them to add loads of(often derpy as feth lookin') flyers to the Marines, and of course once they had that option for the flagship faction everybody else "had" to get them as well. For my money, that also wasn't an improvement to the game.
Factions are defined as much by their limits as their strengths, and the more they "grow and evolve", the more homogeneous and uninteresting they become.
I have no doubt all the "we want random new stuffz" people will get exactly what they want eventually, and that Sisters ten years from now will look very little like the Sisters that made me fall in love with the faction back when they first launched, but can you not wait until their first actual plastic release is out of the way before clamouring for changes? It'd be nice to have access to a complete "proper" Sisters army in plastic before GW start to "improve" them.
I'm not "clamouring for changes" I'm noting that the only reason that the Sisters line has barely grown or evolved over 20 years is that GW didn't want to make models and devote resources to them, and thats why we have the ridiculous limitations that you think are so characterful and cool. That may be your opinion but its not one I share (and as someone who has been collecting and playing sisters since their very first release I'm as entitled to that opinion as you are). Sisters should have the chance to grow wand evolve in the same way literally every other army has. Dark Eldar benefited greatly from the introduction of Wracks, Razorwings, Chronos, Venoms and other units and weapons. Necrons were fleshed out for the better with Tomb Blades, Doom Scythes, Canoptek Wraiths, Arks, Lych Guard, Deathmarks, Stalkers and Barges. Tyranids grew with Mawlocks and Trygons, harpies and Tyranofex, Haruspex, Broodords, tyranid Prime, Swarmlord's, winged Hive tyrants and more. None of these options are out of place. Some are better than others, but all were fully embraced by players and seen as welcome additions to the armies while expanding what the armies were. Why should sisters be any different? Especially after 20 years? Especially after years of arbitrary limitations?
Enshrining bad fluff that limits an army just because the writers were looking for a way to justify the lack of models and options is just dumb. Bad fluff isn't sacred. It can and should be ignored and changed to improve the army. That doesn't mean introducing a bunch of "derpy" stuff, or throwing away what Sisters are or what makes them unique at all (and what makes them unique is 100% not their weird limitations). It means growing and evolving in new, fun and flavorful ways.
Why would anyone want Sisters to have fewer options rather than more? Also, does plasma not burn in 40k now? Why do they have to use only flamers or meltas to burn heretics?
EnTyme wrote: Why would anyone want Sisters to have fewer options rather than more? Also, does plasma not burn in 40k now? Why do they have to use only flamers or meltas to burn heretics?
It depends how it's done. I don't mind the Holy Trinity, would I prefer to see it gone? Yes. Do I mind if it stays? No. I don't want to see Sisters become some kind of mid-point between Guardsmen and Marines but I don't think the Holy Trinity is what defines the faction. It's entirely possible to write and army book that includes stuff like plasma pistols while also remaining thematic by leaning the army options towards the Trinity but not making it the sole source of weaponry.
In fact the excorcist isn't a part of the trinity but no one complains about that ruining the factions identity. Most people would see it as one of the factions most iconic models in fact.
Manchu wrote: I just worry about DA players. Traditionally, the power armored, dress wearing girls who use plasma are Dark Angels rather than Adepta Soroitas.
Not to worry. Dark Angels still get the distinction of being the moping, power armored, dress wearing girls who use plasma.
Yodhrin wrote: Thunderhawks were specifically exempted during the original division of military powers because they were presented primarily as transport craft and as such were required for Marines to function properly. They were combat capable in the context of their intended role, but they weren't actual fighters, interceptors, or bombers. If you think back, "it's totes just a transport honest guv" was actually the same nonsense GW tried to use to justify the original Chibihawk in fluff terms.
Navy handles space and air combat. Guard handles ground combat. Marines act as special forces and linebreakers. That was an interesting idea. Now everybody gets a fleet, everybody gets an airforce, everybody fights sieges etc etc, and all the thematic underpinning of a new-founded Imperium terrified of another Horus hacking its military apart and all of that, over time and along with everything else, degrading into factionalised semi-feudal bickering is lost, because GW want to flog another newshiny and Marine players can't handle the idea that there might be some areas of warfare where they have to depend on the rest of the Imperium.
All these little "limitations" lead to cool bits of background material like the Avenger being favoured by the Sisters for close support, and so often Navy squadrons of them end up on religious crusades. Except with the new approach, the Sisters would just get a newshiny flier of their own, flown by a Sister so nobody has to feel left out.
Except the division was 10000 years ago. You know, almost as long as civilization actually lasted till today. That's plenty of time for all organizations to make their own workarounds. I mean, just look at USA - they had army and navy. Then navy wanted army too and suddenly, US marines. Then someone invented plane and you had US air force. Except not really, because navy wanted some too, so they made US naval aviation. Army controlled most of planes at one point, too. Then marines got jealous and purchased more planes than most other actual countries have. Then national guard joined in. Then CIA, they now have one of the largest drone and bomber fleets in the world, executing thousands of bombing missions each year. Etc, etc. And we're talking about one single country that ended up with nearly a dozen air fleets by inertia (really differing from each other, too) in less than a century, not a galaxy spanning empire.
Plus, if you ever think about it, the restrictions were really stupid anyway. Having IoM air force be detached from guard is easy, because both need to be transported there by navy, no problem. Marines though almost never tag along with navy, and having to wait for naval carrier just so you can execute urgent raid at enemy planet would be hilariously dumb. Ditto for relying on navy so enemy doesn't shoot down your "transports" along the way (because that turbolaser on top is totally not making it heavy bomber) or for marines on the ground not being bombed into dust.
This is why US marines have planes of their own, you know, because they argue that even on one small planet needing to call another branch of armed forces for support (even though US navy has carrier parked right next to marine transport when they need to land somewhere) takes too long and so the air support needs to be integral and ready to answer to any call or the landing will be beaten back with ease. Hmm, what IoM faction does this resemble, I wonder?
They're censers. They're used in religious ceremonies to burn scented incense and they are entirely appropriate for a Sororitas HQ to have, though I agree the way they've been used on this model is dumb.
I'll plan on just leaving the censors off and convert some armor cherbium to carry them for her.
My crazy old local priest absolutely LOVED the censer. What AC/DC are to guitar, he was with swinging a censer, and just seeing that photo is making me want to cough and sneeze. Frankincense smells like a damp coffin full of pot pourri imho.
Anyway, I think the idea is to give her motion, but how successful it is I think I'd need an actual model in my hands to tell, I think it might actually be quite effective in person, so to speak.
Censers are symbolically purifying, but funny enough, some of the Death Guard have their own (ironic) versions, don't they?
Irbis wrote: I mean, just look at USA - they had army and navy. Then navy wanted army too and suddenly, US marines.
Don't care to debate your other points, but this certainly isn't how the U.S. Marines came about.
Off topic but correct. Marines have existed as an infantry component of Navies since long before the Americas were colonised by Europeans (unless the Viking theories are true). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marines#History
Manchu wrote: I just worry about DA players. Traditionally, the power armored, dress wearing girls who use plasma are Dark Angels rather than Adepta Soroitas.
Hmm. Tad sexist, don't you think?
Giving Sisters plasma is not what I’d call sexist, no. But nonetheless it is really insensitive to Dark Angels’ feelings. What’s next, special bonuses for plasma-toting Sisters?
Sister Holyplasma: So you’re pouting because of the pistol I use?
Brother Teariel: It’s not what you used, it’s how you used it.
Sister Holyplasma: +++rolls eyes in High Gothic+++
Casualty wrote:Anyway, I think the idea is to give her motion, but how successful it is
Let’s just be grateful the cartoon clouds of incense are left to the imagination rather than being sculpted on, as with the Saturday Mornings style Death Guard.
Sister Holyplasma: So you’re pouting because of the pistol I use?
Brother Teariel: It’s not what you used, it’s how you used it.
Sister Holyplasma: +++rolls eyes in High Gothic+++
Black armour, holy plasma weapons and decorative robes are a part of First Le- CHAPTER culture. What you sisters are doing is just, like, I can't even...
*distracted by an Escher walking by with a head-dress of feathers*
Hey you, come back!
Sim-Life wrote: On topic, don't Death Guard censers spread smoke infected with plagues and such? Thats probably why they get cartoony smoke.
I don't think there's a background reason. GW started the whole cartoony smoke thing with the Dark Vengeance Chaplain and the latest Vanguard Marines have that effect on a smoke bomb.
I don't know about Sisters, but either we got lucky and the specific designer doesn't have a taste for it, or it's falling out of favor and Sisters may be the first release where they got rid of it. Either way, I for one can't complain if Sisters are (reasonably) free of smoke effect sculpts.
2nd ed canoness is *really* good. I started Sisters in 3rd ed, but ordered her (and Kirinov's mace to replace the I she is holding) and never regretted it, looks so good!
New canoness is… well I think I need to see the actual model before making up my mind.
Sim-Life wrote: On topic, don't Death Guard censers spread smoke infected with plagues and such? Thats probably why they get cartoony smoke.
I don't think there's a background reason. GW started the whole cartoony smoke thing with the Dark Vengeance Chaplain and the latest Vanguard Marines have that effect on a smoke bomb.
I don't know about Sisters, but either we got lucky and the specific designer doesn't have a taste for it, or it's falling out of favor and Sisters may be the first release where they got rid of it. Either way, I for one can't complain if Sisters are (reasonably) free of smoke effect sculpts.
I'd wait and see what the tanks look like. If exorcists keep the rolling cathedral look theres a decent chance that they'll be more ornate than ever and have a few censers on there.
My crazy old local priest absolutely LOVED the censer. What AC/DC are to guitar, he was with swinging a censer, and just seeing that photo is making me want to cough and sneeze. Frankincense smells like a damp coffin full of pot pourri imho.
Anyway, I think the idea is to give her motion, but how successful it is I think I'd need an actual model in my hands to tell, I think it might actually be quite effective in person, so to speak.
Censers are symbolically purifying, but funny enough, some of the Death Guard have their own (ironic) versions, don't they?
Ever were in a big monastry church and the fethers went so insane with it that they smoked all 200-500 people in there for first communion?
We had some drop on their faces due to passing out
Sim-Life wrote: On topic, don't Death Guard censers spread smoke infected with plagues and such? Thats probably why they get cartoony smoke.
I don't think there's a background reason. GW started the whole cartoony smoke thing with the Dark Vengeance Chaplain and the latest Vanguard Marines have that effect on a smoke bomb.
I don't know about Sisters, but either we got lucky and the specific designer doesn't have a taste for it, or it's falling out of favor and Sisters may be the first release where they got rid of it. Either way, I for one can't complain if Sisters are (reasonably) free of smoke effect sculpts.
I'd wait and see what the tanks look like. If exorcists keep the rolling cathedral look theres a decent chance that they'll be more ornate than ever and have a few censers on there.
Yeah. Ideally we'd have none of that, but if done well some small censers hanging from the side could get lost on a large vehicle, so it might not be that bad. On infantry smoke effect draws more attention and can more easily deform the silhouette.
=Angel= wrote: Black armour, holy plasma weapons and decorative robes
The funny part of this conversation is? Sisters did it first. Templars were released afterwards.
While that's true, I was referring to the first legion, the Dark Angels, who were wearing black armour when sisters were only a concept (and illustration of Sister Sin, in borrowed RTB01 armour with nipple spikes.)
In universe, the DA had been doing the robes and black armour first among marines and 4000 years before sisters (And the Templars had been doing it shortly after).
TBH I think the plasma pistol thing is a non issue. The exorcist organ guns do not fire bolter rounds, a crossbow strapped to a boltgun is not a boltgun. Powerswords and chainswords also exist outside the 'trinity'. Marines can have plasmapistols, guard sergeants can have them, sisters should certainly have access to them, in addition to thematic stuff like hand flamers and inferno pistols.
Yodhrin wrote: Functionally retconning away the idea that only the Imperial Navy operates proper in-atmosphere combat aircraft allowed them to add loads of(often derpy as feth lookin') flyers to the Marines, and of course once they had that option for the flagship faction everybody else "had" to get them as well. For my money, that also wasn't an improvement to the game.
Umm, haven't marines canonically been fully autonomous from the Imperial Navy since at least Battlefleet Gothic (released 20 years ago)?
spiralingcadaver wrote: Umm, haven't marines canonically been fully autonomous from the Imperial Navy since at least Battlefleet Gothic (released 20 years ago)?
Yep! The Imperial Navy and Imperial Guard are separate, but that doesn't mean other non-Munitorum forces can't have aerospace assets.
Yodhrin wrote: Functionally retconning away the idea that only the Imperial Navy operates proper in-atmosphere combat aircraft allowed them to add loads of(often derpy as feth lookin') flyers to the Marines, and of course once they had that option for the flagship faction everybody else "had" to get them as well. For my money, that also wasn't an improvement to the game.
Umm, haven't marines canonically been fully autonomous from the Imperial Navy since at least Battlefleet Gothic (released 20 years ago)?
Yes they have - but totally agree with how bad the GW flyers for marines look.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Umm, haven't marines canonically been fully autonomous from the Imperial Navy since at least Battlefleet Gothic (released 20 years ago)?
Yep! The Imperial Navy and Imperial Guard are separate, but that doesn't mean other non-Munitorum forces can't have aerospace assets.
I imagine the existance of the stormhawk interceptor caused some complaints from the Imperial Navy (assuming they're not heresy era relics) but I imagine no one cares eneugh to make an issue over it
Yodhrin wrote: Functionally retconning away the idea that only the Imperial Navy operates proper in-atmosphere combat aircraft allowed them to add loads of(often derpy as feth lookin') flyers to the Marines, and of course once they had that option for the flagship faction everybody else "had" to get them as well. For my money, that also wasn't an improvement to the game.
Umm, haven't marines canonically been fully autonomous from the Imperial Navy since at least Battlefleet Gothic (released 20 years ago)?
Yes they have - but totally agree with how bad the GW flyers for marines look.
Yeah; I love the Caestus design; the FW variants on storm ravens are nice enough; pretty much everything else looks like they stole GI joe toys or somethin'.
Irbis wrote: I mean, just look at USA - they had army and navy. Then navy wanted army too and suddenly, US marines.
Don't care to debate your other points, but this certainly isn't how the U.S. Marines came about.
Off topic but correct. Marines have existed as an infantry component of Navies since long before the Americas were colonised by Europeans (unless the Viking theories are true). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marines#History
Not sure what side you are arguing. At any rate, the Navy and Marines were created within a few weeks of each other, Navy (Oct, 1175) Marines (Nov, 1775) The Marines were actually operational before the Navy. And while they were indeed infantry in the sense that they moved about on foot, Marines at the time were far more involved with policing the Sailors on the ship and protecting any alcohol, stores and officers on ship then marching about and shooting stuff in the manner of actual infantry. While the Continental Marines did end up in some amphibious operations. My point was that the Army and Navy weren't hanging around for awhile and the Navy suddenly decided they wanted an Army too. Marines were an integral part of all Naval operations of the time and were created as such, most of the original 200ish Continental Marines were in the Corps before the Navy had any ships converted over to be merchantmen masquerading as ships of war.
As far as on topic, I think the Canoness model looks more like an Abbess rather than the traditional Sororitas HQ choice. Wouldn't be bad as a Missionary HQ, but I would struggle to see three of them on the table. Veridyan isn't going anywhere, and while her shoes are a bit lobster like, she fits that role far more than the render.
Yodhrin wrote: Functionally retconning away the idea that only the Imperial Navy operates proper in-atmosphere combat aircraft allowed them to add loads of(often derpy as feth lookin') flyers to the Marines, and of course once they had that option for the flagship faction everybody else "had" to get them as well. For my money, that also wasn't an improvement to the game.
Umm, haven't marines canonically been fully autonomous from the Imperial Navy since at least Battlefleet Gothic (released 20 years ago)?
Yes, to an extent. They're not supposed to have battleships or ships that fight ship to ship- the spacemarine fleet is supposed to support marines in ship to ship/ship to ground operations, not challenge the navy. Battle barges are just large transports, that happen to have a lot of guns.
On the ground/boarding operations, marines are not supposed to have mainline battle tanks or superheavy tanks. They are a strike force and codex restricts them from having the kind of numbers that would allow them to hold ground or occupy cities. They therefore focus on tearing out the heart of an enemy and killing them all.
I don't think they are supposed to have air superiority fighters either- drop pods bypass all that and thunderhawks are designed to punch through and deliver marines.
in fairness air superiority fighters makes sense, marines by definition can't wait around for the navy and having air units is priceless. I imagine the navy occasionally grumbles but everyone is willing to look the other way due to the obvious need....
BrianDavion wrote: in fairness air superiority fighters makes sense, marines by definition can't wait around for the navy and having air units is priceless. I imagine the navy occasionally grumbles but everyone is willing to look the other way due to the obvious need....
Or because the chapter master would punch them in the head if they argued.
Yes, to an extent. They're not supposed to have battleships or ships that fight ship to ship...Battle barges are just large transports, that happen to have a lot of guns.
...marines are not supposed to have mainline battle tanks or superheavy tanks.
...I don't think they are supposed to have air superiority fighters either...
Um...since when?
Their MO for ages now has been "capable of performing completely autonomously in any conceivable military engagement". Everything they have and do is geared around being like what everyone else does, but better and more self-reliant. It's been that way for ages.
Yes "decapitation strikes" are their go-to but they've had heavy armoured and air support forever and the only reason they never had more along the lines of gunships and air superiority fighters was because that was back when no one had much in the way of air units, period, because the only options were specialty FW Apocalypse-scale units. And even then they had a souped-up land speeder that was an ASF in all but name.
Yes please start a thread in 40k Background to discuss the relationship between Space Marine and the Navy. This thread is about Sisters of Battle. Thanks!
I don't mind the over the top collar, but I don't like the bionic leg or the sword tip in the dirt. I don't think any battle hardened canoness would hang around on the battlefield with her sword in such a way. I do like they made her older and I dig the habit. The model really stands out from the rank and file.
The front stuff looks cut and pasted -
braziers are swinging hazards, sword tip should be dug into a magus skull like a melon, whatever cowl ...
age is cool,
but how does anyone get this old
swinging dull swords at demons
with burning embers at the ends of ribbons
wrapped around one's face
and smashing one's face in fiery sooty pain,
righteous and indeed dignified she may be, this is no veteran.
This one takes out the first couple,
then gets blinded by her own ashy extravagance,
only to be dragged down before the wrinkles ever show.
Hard pass.
Somehow, this sisters release
is turning into Storm Sisters respond to BGitG.
Not sure if I am digging it.
If they end up with a gotcha-jump-buggy on a base, then I might be out completely.
I was planning on at least adding enough to my current hoarded old metals,
some lovingly painted and converted,
and should with sisters certainly,
but so far the characters and others, pass.
deviantduck wrote: I don't mind the over the top collar, but I don't like the bionic leg or the sword tip in the dirt. I don't think any battle hardened canoness would hang around on the battlefield with her sword in such a way. I do like they made her older and I dig the habit. The model really stands out from the rank and file.
If she gets any kind of hero base(and she may come with one) the sword won't be in the dirt. I don't mind a bionic leg as a visual shorthand for veterancy but I'd prefer it look more skeletal. It doesn't read as bionic at first glance (paint will help) and we don't see the other leg for contrast.
On a brighter note, I finally got my hands on a Sister Amalia Novena figure and it's even better in person than the pics and unboxing videos would indicate. If all the nuns with guns characters had that much care put into their sculpting, I'd have no issues with the monoposes. I haven't been that impressed with a GW fig since I got my hands on my first FW fig (Inquisitor Rex).
Bah ninja'd. Hospitallar looks fine. Bit too scenic in my opinion, and that looks like a huge base for an infantry model, but its fine. I like the little details on the fallen Sister. She's actually missing parts of her armor, like the plate that goes over the abdomen and her greaves. That's a nice touch.
I'd like a vehicle preview. The only information on the penitent engine was a head.
Likely that it will be a showcase of another character model, Dialogus or Repentia Mistress.
I'm hoping that GW drops a SoB announcement at NoVA, even if it's just to mention the army is being released next year due to delays.
edit: Called it, I guess.
It's a great model and I really like that it's going to include a separate Sororitas Helmet with the interior modeled.
That's a super-static mini. Looks fine, but just seems like an excuse to charge like 45 bucks for a single 28mm mini lol.
Note the total lack of boobplate on the fallen sister.
Also, LOL - an alternate right hand and face are included if you want to have...two identically clothed hospitalliers with identical doves flying purity seals holding identical books in identical poses over identical dying sisters dying from the same wounds.
the_scotsman wrote: That's a super-static mini. Looks fine, but just seems like an excuse to charge like 45 bucks for a single 28mm mini lol.
Note the total lack of boobplate on the fallen sister.
Also, LOL - an alternate right hand and face are included if you want to have...two identically clothed hospitalliers with identical doves flying purity seals holding identical books in identical poses over identical dying sisters dying from the same wounds.
SO CUSTOMIZABLE AND UNIQUE!
She does have a boob plate though. Its just not as defined due to the lack of the abdominal plate. Look at the hospitaller armor and the fallen sister's armor.
the_scotsman wrote: That's a super-static mini. Looks fine, but just seems like an excuse to charge like 45 bucks for a single 28mm mini lol.
Yeah. Much prefer her if she was just on a regular base without all the nonsense at her feet.
Yeah, it would have been nicer if they kept the two separate. There were wounded soldier markers in the past. I dunno what they were used for, but that was a thing.
Not a fan of the veil/head scarf, and becoming tired of birds with scrolls.
I think I would have been happier if they showed the hospitallar actually being a medic, rather than praying, as they're supposed to be some of the best actual doctors in the imperrium.
balmong7 wrote: I am starting to get the feeling that the new sister designs are just decadent for the sake of decadence.
Baroque art says hi
A couple of examples
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I don't know how to resize images. But yeah, if they were trying to go for baroque design on the sisters, I don't think they went extravagant enough.
That actually makes a lot sense. It doesn't make me feel any better about having to paint them though. Another thing that worries me is that these aren't going to mesh well together on the tabletop. Especially when I'm fielding identical Canoness' and Hospitaler's on the table together. All the detail makes them look unique, which makes fielding multiple all the worse. The less detailed sisters may all be the same, but less detail means that they are just a blob of angry women soldiers, rather than 20 identical models. At least in my eyes.
I like the new armor design, much closer to the SoB design. They finally are part of the Sororitas model range rather than being part of the Inquisitor retinue range like when they were designed before 2003.
Also the Hospitaler is now a "grim and sombre matron"? Weren't they supposed to be the most compassionate and everything?
This one looks great I have no complaints about the design itself.
At this point it's clear that the entire range is being done in plastic so I'm expecting to be able to use bits and pieces from the different HQ models to make more varied looking characters.
Yeah I'm probably not going to be using most of the scenic bases. This one in particular though you can fill the foot gaps and use as an objective marker.
I kinda want to get a few of those wounded sisters to make some scenic bases for my Cult. Few cuts, readjusted bits, and you've got some interesting basing for characters or things like sentinals/Ridgerunners.
I could see chaos players wanting some of these for similar reasons, especially if Sister players don't want them.
I like the Hospitaller herself but the scenic base is a bit too HH-character-style much for me. I don't like the apparent current trend of making characters be put on bigger bases when they're the same size as normal figs of the same type.
warboss wrote: HH-character-style much for me. I don't like the apparent current trend of making characters be put on bigger bases when they're the same size as normal figs of the same type.
"whose the character in that mess of converted guys"
Really digging the Hospitaller. This is a picture of an assassin with a nod to Final Fantasy. At least the new one looks like the apothecary. Not a big fan of the habit though...
Looked like Hospitalier sisters will be part of the Militant Orders now. That's why the previous miniature looked a bit different and didn't have a "full sister armor" - Hospitalier orders are separate from the Militant ones, at least in the old fluff.
But I like the miniature. I don't mind the scenic base, it's actually a pretty one. About the prices...it's not like GW needed a scenic base to justify their high prices with character blisters, anyway.
Carnikang wrote: I wonder how flat the sister in the ground will be on the back side. Could be 2 sisters for the price of a hero.... Of course, unlikely.
She's missing parts of her armor. I don't think you'll be able to use her as a battle sister. Unless you don't mind her walking to battle with the bottom half of her armor missing.
Carnikang wrote: I wonder how flat the sister in the ground will be on the back side. Could be 2 sisters for the price of a hero.... Of course, unlikely.
Most likely partly hollow, just enough so that it will ask for some work to fill the gaps /sculpt the back if you want her to stand up.
Sarouan wrote: Looked like Hospitalier sisters will be part of the Militant Orders now. That's why the previous miniature looked a bit different and didn't have a "full sister armor" - Hospitalier orders are separate from the Militant ones, at least in the old fluff.
Not necessarily. If you compare her armour to the other new models, it's still different. I would imagine that the various Sororitas orders are still separate, but we're just seeing the redesigned Hospitalier with more imposing combat armour.
Personally, I like the change. A Hospitalier going out into a battlefield would want Militant-grade PA.
Like the model, hate the base. I like the characters to have all the added baubles, but I don't like the over the top bases. Most likely I'll do as other have suggested and try and collect 6 of them for objective markers.
There is a tad too much going on for a gaming piece, as a model to put on a display board shes great though. That's been the direction they have leaned toward though in regard to the line.
The base size isn't really an issue though, just use a smaller base. Only an idiot would complain about it since it is WAY more advantageous to have her on a larger base since she is going to rock an aura. Personally, for game purpose I'd be happy shes on a 40mm for just that reason. It's the same kind of buff Abby got that you don;t realize until you play a game.
The doves are kind of stupid though. It's starting to feel like John Woo is sculpting these.
Red Corsair wrote: Only an idiot would complain about it since it is WAY more advantageous to have her on a larger base since she is going to rock an aura.
As an added advantage, if she keeps her current rules the larger base makes her a much better display model while sitting on your shelf. It's win win.
The fabric on her headgear is too long for my taste. I liked the old one better. Not a fan of how the book hides the narthecium, at least from this angle. Maybe that will look better from the side. If not, an empty hand may be in order. I'd cut off the bird and toilet paper for less clutter. Humongous base is humongous. Looks like 50mm to me. That's huge.
Overall, all the good stuff is there individually, but I'm not sure about the composition.
I'd have also preferred the Sister with the minor scratch to come in a unit box, for the sake of availability. As part of an extra expensive clampack she'll be hard to come by if you fancy using her in conversions.
Commodus Leitdorf wrote: While I do like all the new stuff so far I will be sticking to my old Metal minis because...well...I love Metal Minis.
I just wish I knew what Base size they are going with before I begin putting what I have together.
The Sister we got last month has a 32mm base. The normal Sisters' renders very much look like they have 32mm bases as well, although there's certainly nothing to stop GW from packaging the physical models with different bases. I think it's a pretty safe assumption that they'll be on 32mm bases though.
Of course the introduction of 28mm bases in Warcry as mentioned above complicated matters, but if they come with those you'll have no way of coming by them until GW releases the new size separately, whenever that may be, so if you're itching to get started, there's really only 32mm to go with at this time.
...surprise, surprise, 3 for 3 on not liking the recent batch.
first off... seriously with the doves, scrolls and base? why did they put more holy pagentry into this model then the canoness? all that stuff to me is an eyesore here.
Second, so the originally non-millitants are getting power armor now despite never having them until this point that i was aware of? i guess since we are undergoing interface surgery for this stuff, may as well use it now, i guess. so whens my power armored Dialogus and maybe Famulous?
then it hit me, they basically are turning Hospitallers into apothecary equivalents in full, complete with the surgery equipment backpacks. which i honestly REALLY don't like because my inner mechanicus is chuckling madly now because that always first registers to my eye as mechadendrites and then the crossing religious streams thing happens.
I like the simplicity of the original one more. at least this one still can have the rebreather and the armor still looks similar in design... im glad they posted up the image of the original model this time, they should have done that more often.
Fixing list for this one- chop the apoth-arm off, toss the doves out, and if possible ditch the dying sister in basing. so much plastic id be paying that is so detailed and such I completely don't want.
Mmmpi wrote: Not a fan of the veil/head scarf, and becoming tired of birds with scrolls.
I think I would have been happier if they showed the hospitallar actually being a medic, rather than praying, as they're supposed to be some of the best actual doctors in the imperrium.
...what other birds with scrolls have there even been in the Games Workshop range?
Mmmpi wrote: Not a fan of the veil/head scarf, and becoming tired of birds with scrolls.
I think I would have been happier if they showed the hospitallar actually being a medic, rather than praying, as they're supposed to be some of the best actual doctors in the imperrium.
...what other birds with scrolls have there even been in the Games Workshop range?
It's apparently a theme with SOB. Not technically birds *WITH* scrolls but rather birds and scrolls... close enough IMO though.
The Hospitaller seems like a very nice miniature overall, but to me something seems a bit odd about where she's looking. Obviously it's an unpainted miniature so we can't see exactly where she's looking, but it seems like her heads positioned in such a way that she's not looking at the book she's reciting from or the wounded Battle Sister at her feet, but rather just staring off into the distance.
Also, is that the normal size of a bolter for them? It seems huge, I thought they had a more reasonably sized bolter variant.
I like the hospitaller. I hope there’s an option for her without the dying sister on the base. On the other hand, it’s going to look weird reading the last rights to nobody if there’s not a dying sister in front of her.
Mmmpi wrote: Not a fan of the veil/head scarf, and becoming tired of birds with scrolls.
I think I would have been happier if they showed the hospitallar actually being a medic, rather than praying, as they're supposed to be some of the best actual doctors in the imperrium.
...what other birds with scrolls have there even been in the Games Workshop range?
It's apparently a theme with SOB. Not technically birds *WITH* scrolls but rather birds and scrolls... close enough IMO though.
*Adjusts glasses* ACKSHULLY celestine's birds are coming out of a scroll, so it is a theme.
Celestine is a stage magician new lore canon 2019.
Mmmpi wrote: Not a fan of the veil/head scarf, and becoming tired of birds with scrolls.
I think I would have been happier if they showed the hospitallar actually being a medic, rather than praying, as they're supposed to be some of the best actual doctors in the imperrium.
...what other birds with scrolls have there even been in the Games Workshop range?
It's apparently a theme with SOB. Not technically birds *WITH* scrolls but rather birds and scrolls... close enough IMO though.
I mean, yes... I'm aware of the general use of birds. And scrolls. They are literally the catholic holy church-themed faction, so...
If the mere presence of either in the new range is now an issue for folks, well boy, are you gonna have a problem lol.
It's clear that even with a lot of the design largely staying the same, one of the main things they're doing with the new range is leaning into and emphasizing the baroque religious aesthetics that sets Sisters apart from the other factions - especially important for differentiating them from other Imperium factions. The overt religious aspect is what they have that's truly theirs, and makes them their own unique entity on the table rather than just a power-armored female alternative to space marines.
The idea of my full army, once setup on the table, looking like the renaissance painting of a church procession brought to life is precisely what i want
Bdrone wrote:Fixing list for this one- chop the apoth-arm off, toss the doves out, and if possible ditch the dying sister in basing. so much plastic id be paying that is so detailed and such I completely don't want.
You could put that backpack on any other sister model and have her be the chirugeon, swap one of the hands for a weapon arm, maybe strap another weapon at her hip or something and you have another Canoness.
Mentlegen324 wrote:The Hospitaller seems like a very nice miniature overall, but to me something seems a bit odd about where she's looking. Obviously it's an unpainted miniature so we can't see exactly where she's looking, but it seems like her heads positioned in such a way that she's not looking at the book she's reciting from or the wounded Battle Sister at her feet, but rather just staring off into the distance.
As-is her head is bowed in prayer and she can switch between making eye contact with the dying sister and glance at the book as she reads the last rights.
Compare and contrast to the metal Canoness who turns her head to read litanies from her book as she chops away with her evicerator.
The base is way too over the top (and huge!).
Why isn't the wounded Sister reaching for the monstrance/medic? The two models don't look like they're interacting.
When I think 'medic', I don't think carrying a book and a holy relic - at least be doing something medicy!
I'm also not sold on her wearing more or less standard Sororitas armour. Something like a more lightly armoured (perhaps younger looking?) WW1 nurse perhaps? We'll have plenty of fully armoured characters in wimples as it is.
There are little details like the empty bolter casings all over the base, but the wounded Sister's bolter appears to still be fully loaded? And she has no treads on the sole(s) of her boots.
There are two different heads/monstrances. Woo. That'll make two models with the same wounded Sister at their feet look totally unique.
Mmmpi wrote: Not a fan of the veil/head scarf, and becoming tired of birds with scrolls.
I think I would have been happier if they showed the hospitallar actually being a medic, rather than praying, as they're supposed to be some of the best actual doctors in the imperrium.
...what other birds with scrolls have there even been in the Games Workshop range?
It's apparently a theme with SOB. Not technically birds *WITH* scrolls but rather birds and scrolls... close enough IMO though.
*Adjusts glasses* ACKSHULLY celestine's birds are coming out of a scroll, so it is a theme.
Celestine is a stage magician new lore canon 2019.
Haha, i'm guessing you're just being funny, but on the off-chance you're not - that's just the air-suspension attachment point.
Much like the tip of a robe on nighthaunt models touching a gravestone to give the illusion of flying. They're not actually carrying the purity seal on her robe, just flying alongside her.
Bdrone wrote:Fixing list for this one- chop the apoth-arm off, toss the doves out, and if possible ditch the dying sister in basing. so much plastic id be paying that is so detailed and such I completely don't want.
You could put that backpack on any other sister model and have her be the chirugeon, swap one of the hands for a weapon arm, maybe strap another weapon at her hip or something and you have another Canoness.
Perhaps so, depends on how it is unbuilt. im just slowly getting annoyed with how to have what i was wanting out of this id have to fix to my liking.
just... why all this extra flash for what is currently an elite model and not an HQ? the bigger basing, the doves and such? as for the arm, id still want it gone period, as i favor the design of the original hospitaller, which they did mostly carry over otherwise. that ones still just preferable.
if you don't like doves&scrolls there is a new invention, it's a piece of metal that's really sharp on one side and has been said to make cutting plastic easy.
The base looks a little large but as long as you can remove the hospitaller from the base it's a non issue. If not, then surgery on her is neccessary.
The Sororitas on the base looks great and actually appears to be in her death throes. it does look like shes taken a few stubber projectiles in her abdomen, woulda been cooler if she was on her side and had some bolts gogo boomboom.
The base is way too over the top (and huge!).
Why isn't the wounded Sister reaching for the monstrance/medic? The two models don't look like they're interacting.
When I think 'medic', I don't think carrying a book and a holy relic - at least be doing something medicy!
I'm also not sold on her wearing more or less standard Sororitas armour. Something like a more lightly armoured (perhaps younger looking?) WW1 nurse perhaps? We'll have plenty of fully armoured characters in wimples as it is.
There are little details like the empty bolter casings all over the base, but the wounded Sister's bolter appears to still be fully loaded? .
And looks like it can only hold about 5-6 rounds, thanks to the general lack of scale infesting the various pieces of the diorama. Seriously, those casings are ridiculously huge, especially the ones still loaded in the gun and by the Hospitaler's feet.
'course the casings for the caseless ammo is always a headscratcher anyway...
These previews have been a sequence of misses for me. The last one has nothing of the devoted, healing, mending nurse. She's static, spread-legged, arms forwards, head facing forwards...It's busy but empty, her face is the typical "Angry scowl" that seems to be the norm with Sisters. It has no elegance, no feminine figure. The chirurgeon servo arm looks off, the pose is off, the base is too busy, yet it's empty.
I really wanted to start Sisters once they got released in plastic, but up to now I have only been disappointed by each bulletin.
I quite like this figure, though it is a tad overdone. The rebreather looks awesome. Not sure what or whom the soon to be deceased sister is reaching for though.
Thargrim wrote: Not sure what or whom the soon to be deceased sister is reaching for though.
Let's carefully examine the Sororitas and their beliefs, as a faction. Is there any one person that a delerious, dying zealot of the Imperial faith might imagine seeing reaching down for her?
That is a beautiful model and I appreciate the scenic base. It's gorgeous as well. The wounded sister appears to be enraptured, perhaps seeing vision on the Emperor as she dies.
The size of the base isn't an issue since she can be put on a smaller base. The doves and scrolls are also likely separate pieces. So you can leave them off or use them elsewhere.
If you want alternate Hospitaller models just swap the head, backpack, and arm from this model with a line Battle Sister.
"As Sister Gretel expelled a final breath at her feet, Sister Peta paused in her reading. Off in the distance, mostly hidden by the dust and smoke, she could faintly glimpse the edge of her base."
Nice enough model, but the base is ridiculous for a gaming model. This range is beginning to feel like GW are still drinking from the Kirby 'People buy our models to look at rather than to play games' Kool Aid.
Anyone else remember when the point of getting plastic models was to lower the average price?
Now every individual plastic model is a miniature stage play, and will probably cost MORE than their metal counterparts. Might as well shell out for two metal Hospitallers if these wacky new versions cost just as much...
I also seriously question the wisdom of releasing a Sister miniature laying on her back, given all the nefarious Chaos players lurking around the conversion tables. That just isn't going to end well
Personally I'm a lot happier with this miniature than last fortnight's "Sisters of Tennis", but like just about everyone who actually plays the faction my first thoughts were immediately focused on what to do with the surrounding Diorama, since obviously I am going to cut the Hosp herself away from that nonsense and put her on a regular base instead
I would have liked the Hospitaller a lot more if she had been some new Techmarine sister who was praying to an Immolator instead of a fallen sister. I'm debating whether to use her as that instead of a medic.
I think the point is that we don't want each of our own Hospitallars, or everyone's collective Hospitallers, to all look alike and stuck in the exact same pose above the same fallen sister.
I think the point is that we don't want each of our own Hospitallars, or everyone's collective Hospitallers, to all look alike and stuck in the exact same pose above the same fallen sister.
I think it will be pretty easy to customise the model with leftover bits from other sister kits*. And no one if forcing you to put the dying sister on the base of every Hospitaller.
* (Hella lot easier than customising that old singlepose metal model, that's for sure!)
Anyone else remember when the point of getting plastic models was to lower the average price?
Now every individual plastic model is a miniature stage play, and will probably cost MORE than their metal counterparts. Might as well shell out for two metal Hospitallers if these wacky new versions cost just as much...
I also seriously question the wisdom of releasing a Sister miniature laying on her back, given all the nefarious Chaos players lurking around the conversion tables. That just isn't going to end well
Personally I'm a lot happier with this miniature than last fortnight's "Sisters of Tennis", but like just about everyone who actually plays the faction my first thoughts were immediately focused on what to do with the surrounding Diorama, since obviously I am going to cut the Hosp herself away from that nonsense and put her on a regular base instead
If you think the scenic base is why the model will be expensive then I'd like to offer you a great deal on this bridge I'm selling.
Also, why bother? No one's ever going to put a hospitaller on the table anyway.
Anyone else remember when the point of getting plastic models was to lower the average price?
That dream died the second they released the first $15 monopose plastic mini with little or no options. Was it the IG commissar? I can't recall for sure this many years later.
Anyone else remember when the point of getting plastic models was to lower the average price?
That dream died the second they released the first $15 monopose plastic mini with little or no options. Was it the IG commissar? I can't recall for sure this many years later.
I think it was for Fantasy. I want to say it was that awesome Lord of Plagues model, or one of the chaos sorcerer models. The price increase for clampack characters is getting a bit much. I didn't mind when models were 25$, but these days, 30$ puts me off of getting anything.
As for the new model, I like it. Though, I feel like the dying sister should be facing toward the Hospatilier(?). I get that she could be having a vision of the Emperor or someone as she dies, but the way the model is, she'd be facing the enemy. I feel like it would make more sense if she was reaching toward the person that was comforting her as she died.
I think it was for Fantasy. I want to say it was that awesome Lord of Plagues model, or one of the chaos sorcerer models. The price increase for clampack characters is getting a bit much. I didn't mind when models were 25$, but these days, 30$ puts me off of getting anything.
Very well could be as I didn't (and still don't for AOS) pay much attention to the fantasy side of things. I just remember two minis that killed the idea of reasonable (not to be confused with affordable) character minis for me personally: the plastic commissar and a tiny little LOTR golum sitting in a caudron or fish basket or something. There have been great deals since then but they tend to gravitate to big $100+ (now pretty much $150) boxed sets exclusively. YMMV and I don't want to turn this into yet another price complaint thread when that ship has sailed long ago.
I think the point is that we don't want each of our own Hospitallars, or everyone's collective Hospitallers, to all look alike and stuck in the exact same pose above the same fallen sister.
I think it will be pretty easy to customise the model with leftover bits from other sister kits*. And no one if forcing you to put the dying sister on the base of every Hospitaller.
* (Hella lot easier than customising that old singlepose metal model, that's for sure!)
No but we are forced to pay for the sodding thing, and anyone who's got to deal with pickup or event games will be stuck using the XBAWXHUEG base lest they be accused of "cheating"(and don't bother making rational arguments about how a smaller base is actually a disadvantage for what will likely be an aura-based character, the "unOFFICIAL! REEEEEEEE!" crowd care only that it isn't the model assembled and shown 100% as the instructions that come in the packet dictate).
The model is by no means a disaster like the Repentia, but the fact that a fly is only a little thing doesn't mean it can't spoil your anticipation for an otherwise lovely bowl of soup.
No but we are forced to pay for the sodding thing,
No, you aren't. You can choose not to buy it.
and anyone who's got to deal with pickup or event games will be stuck using the XBAWXHUEG base lest they be accused of "cheating"(and don't bother making rational arguments about how a smaller base is actually a disadvantage for what will likely be an aura-based character, the "unOFFICIAL! REEEEEEEE!" crowd care only that it isn't the model assembled and shown 100% as the instructions that come in the packet dictate).
It's not GW's fault if players are asshats. Playing with people like that would be a miserable experience anyway, so why bother? Hospitaller on a slightly smaller base will be a great way to detect people with whom you don't want to play.
And if you really want to use the big base but not the casualty, put some other stuff on it. Servo-skulls would work.
This is again manufacturing a problem when none exists.
No but we are forced to pay for the sodding thing,
No, you aren't. You can choose not to buy it.
and anyone who's got to deal with pickup or event games will be stuck using the XBAWXHUEG base lest they be accused of "cheating"(and don't bother making rational arguments about how a smaller base is actually a disadvantage for what will likely be an aura-based character, the "unOFFICIAL! REEEEEEEE!" crowd care only that it isn't the model assembled and shown 100% as the instructions that come in the packet dictate).
It's not GW's fault if players are asshats. Playing with people like that would be a miserable experience anyway, so why bother? Hospitaller on a slightly smaller base will be a great way to detect people with whom you don't want to play.
And if you really want to use the big base but not the casualty, put some other stuff on it. Servo-skulls would work.
This is again manufacturing a problem when none exists.
You're doing that thing again. Your opinion is not everyone's opinion, and it's not an objective fact.
As for "durr don't buy it" nonsense - well, obviously; the "thing" being referred to was the scenic doodads, but for the terminally pedantic I'll rephrase: If you want to purchase the new Hospitaller miniature, you are forced to pay the price GW are asking, which will undoubtedly be inflated by the scenic additions that many people will consider superfluous. If you honestly can't grasp why that might annoy people, I don't know what to tell you.
It is GWs plastic character mini. It will be ludicrously expensive regardless. And it's not like the casualty will double its price or something.
Don't think it as useless extra bit, think it as getting a hella cool objective marker as a bonus.
This place is so depressing though. We are finally getting plastic Battle Sisters, GW sculptors are surpassing themselves by producing one amazing sculpt after another, and people here do their damnedest to come up some trivial nonsense to whine about... Including crying about getting more bits in the kit!
I'll rephrase: If you want to purchase the new Hospitaller miniature, you are forced to pay the price GW are asking, which will undoubtedly be inflated by the scenic additions that many people will consider superfluous. If you honestly can't grasp why that might annoy people, I don't know what to tell you.
Just buy it on whatever discount shop gives you the best deal. Here, you won't be paying full GW price.
And seriously, what is that kind of argument ? Of course if you want the new miniature, you'll buy it at the price it will be sold. It's litterally the same for any new product in the world. You're blaming GW for that, really ?
About the scenic base, it won't be the reason of the new price. GW sold Stormcast Eternals and Space Marines Primaris heroes at higher price with some having scenic bases and others not. It's not about content, it's about the value they're giving it.
And finally, if you have the old metal miniature, just put it on whatever the new base will be and it will be fine. Hell, even a conversion from a basic sister will do with most players.
Besides, there is nothing so far that annoy people about the price, because we don't know the price in question. It's useless to be annoyed by something that's not here yet. Unless you want to be pedantic or waste your time.
Crimson wrote: It is GWs plastic character mini. It will be ludicrously expensive regardless. And it's not like the casualty will double its price or something.
Don't think it as useless extra bit, think it as getting a hella cool objective marker as a bonus.
This place is so depressing though. We are finally getting plastic Battle Sisters, GW sculptors are surpassing themselves by producing one amazing sculpt after another, and people here do their damnedest to come up some trivial nonsense to whine about... Including crying about getting more bits in the kit!
Eh. They haven't been all that amazing. Kind of bland and uninteresting, to be honest, with some serious scale issues and lack of imagination. The canoness will have... a wimple and... a ruler! Yay, bad gun magazine cover art.
i shouldn't look at these models, look at 20+ year old metal model and prefer the latter. The battle sisters and repentia are an improvement (though there wasn't any way the repentia wouldn't be, and the battle sisters are just kinda workman-like, with too much basing crap), but the characters are amazingly disappointing so far.
I think one issue is that the 3D views lack some of the impact of paint and actual scale view of models imparts to the viewer. Many areas look far too "clean" but that's mostly because they are a digital rendering and lack the natural shadowing and texture of plastic and that's all before even basic painting with shades and highlights on the model.
It would not surprise me if some look at these and dislike them now as a rendering, but grow to love them at a model.
This place is so depressing though. We are finally getting plastic Battle Sisters, GW sculptors are surpassing themselves by producing one amazing sculpt after another, and people here do their damnedest to come up some trivial nonsense to whine about... Including crying about getting more bits in the kit!
Or maybe, just maybe, some people don't see a regular human model being released on a dreadnought-sized scenic base as a 'trivial' problem...?
If you like it, that's great. But dismissing other opinions as 'whining' really doesn't help encourage civil discussion.
Anyone else remember when the point of getting plastic models was to lower the average price?
That dream died the second they released the first $15 monopose plastic mini with little or no options. Was it the IG commissar? I can't recall for sure this many years later.
Ironic that you pick on of the few plastic characters that actually has a option included in the kit (will that be Bolt Pistol or Plasma Pistol?).
Or maybe, just maybe, some people don't see a regular human model being released on a dreadnought-sized scenic base as a 'trivial' problem...?
How is it not a trivial problem? Put it on a smaller base, not hard. Also, I'm pretty sure that's a 50mm base, not a dreadnought base, and seeing how much empty space there is, you could probably fit the 'diorama' on 40mm base as well.
And considering that the current Hospitaller is on a small base, no one really should have any even remotely reasonable objection for using a smaller base for the new one as well.
Anyone else remember when the point of getting plastic models was to lower the average price?
That dream died the second they released the first $15 monopose plastic mini with little or no options. Was it the IG commissar? I can't recall for sure this many years later.
Ironic that you pick on of the few plastic characters that actually has a option included in the kit (will that be Bolt Pistol or Plasma Pistol?).
Irony? My only experience with single plastic miniatures sold separately at that point was with the 4th edition posable space marine commander that came with over a dozen different bits and almost as many weapon options for only (at the time) a few dollars more. It was a massive step down for me as a consumer but YMMV. I covered the pistol swap under the "LITTLE" options disclaimer as I don't think a single plastic bit puts that kit in any different category than a kti that doesn't have that single piece.
Crimson wrote: ... I'm pretty sure that's a 50mm base, not a dreadnought base,
Oh, well, that's so much better, then...
You've already had one of the reasons it's an issue explained to you. You may not agree it's an actual issue, but at least do others the courtesy of not dismissing it out of hand, because all that does is turn it into a bigger issue than it started out as people take offense at their opinion being dismissed as whining.
A lot of gamers do have hang-ups about base sizes. That's not some new thing, but will only get more pronounced as GW continue to de-prioritise the customisation aspect of the hobby and people get increasingly used to things being used as-is.
The other obvious problem is that while as a one-off it's not the end of the world, if it's the start of a trend for putting characters on ridiculously oversized, scenic bases, that's going to get old really fast. If they have room on the sprue to include half a square foot of terrain on there, I for one would much rather they used that space for weapon or equipment options, and keep the models functional for gaming rather than being designed to sit on a shelf and look pretty. As a collector's piece, this model would be fantastic. As a gaming piece, half of the model is just wasted plastic.
Cool model. A little odd that she's more over the top (scenic base) than the Cannoness recently shown.
Already have idea to get 2 of these to fill out a vanguard of Hospitaller. Convert one a little to be a Cannoness of a Hospitaller order. That one I shall give the sister on the ground a bolt pistol so she's firing to the last breath.
The other will go on a small base while that ones big scenic base will go to my Celestine model; things there will be positioned so she's looking up as Celestine as she swoops in.
Hoping the rules for them improve.
Hope the book is optional as I like the surgical tools to be prominent. Really hoping to modify her to look like she's actually doing her job- healing! Instead of just standing there giving a sermon and almost looking reminiscent of the old metal Cannoness model with the book in hand.
if you don't like doves&scrolls there is a new invention, it's a piece of metal that's really sharp on one side and has been said to make cutting plastic easy.
The base looks a little large but as long as you can remove the hospitaller from the base it's a non issue. If not, then surgery on her is neccessary.
The Sororitas on the base looks great and actually appears to be in her death throes. it does look like shes taken a few stubber projectiles in her abdomen, woulda been cooler if she was on her side and had some bolts gogo boomboom.
Clippers existing isn't a reason to tell people they can't say they don't like something.
no one said they cant complain if they don't like something. complain all you want, but when someone suggests something one can do about it, dont continue to complain about how it cant be fixed.
I just pointed out that if I dont like a part of an easily modified anything(mini, car, firearm) there exists the means to rectify it. Some people dont know they can modify stuff.
insaniak wrote: The other obvious problem is that while as a one-off it's not the end of the world, if it's the start of a trend for putting characters on ridiculously oversized, scenic bases, that's going to get old really fast. If they have room on the sprue to include half a square foot of terrain on there, I for one would much rather they used that space for weapon or equipment options, and keep the models functional for gaming rather than being designed to sit on a shelf and look pretty.
An additional concern I have, in agreement with you, is the more bling you add to a base, the more it sticks out when you play against an army or on a board that doesn't match. "Hey, we're fighting Eldar, so here I am carrying around an Ork corpse for some reason".
Racerguy180 wrote: no one said they cant complain if they don't like something. complain all you want, but when someone suggests something one can do about it, dont continue to complain about how it cant be fixed.
I just pointed out that if I dont like a part of an easily modified anything(mini, car, firearm) there exists the means to rectify it. Some people dont know they can modify stuff.
Yeah this just seems to be testing the water for a full mono pose army while being likely the most expensive army ever made outside a FW Titan legion. We’re at what a £100’s worth of HQ’s with 3 models I hope SoB players have been saving as the way things are going the all metal army would be the cheaper option.
insaniak wrote: The other obvious problem is that while as a one-off it's not the end of the world, if it's the start of a trend for putting characters on ridiculously oversized, scenic bases, that's going to get old really fast. If they have room on the sprue to include half a square foot of terrain on there, I for one would much rather they used that space for weapon or equipment options, and keep the models functional for gaming rather than being designed to sit on a shelf and look pretty.
An additional concern I have, in agreement with you, is the more bling you add to a base, the more it sticks out when you play against an army or on a board that doesn't match. "Hey, we're fighting Eldar, so here I am carrying around an Ork corpse for some reason".
While that's a general concern, at least in this case the base decoration comes from your own army, so it should fit.
It is going to be more work if you use specific scenic bases and then have to try to fit additional scenic bits to them. Hardly impossible, but it can be annoying.
Got to agree with Insaniak, though. as nice as the Sister on the base is, thanks to no model no rules I'd rather that space was taken up with options for the Hospitaller instead.
Racerguy180 wrote: no one said they cant complain if they don't like something. complain all you want, but when someone suggests something one can do about it, dont continue to complain about how it cant be fixed.
I just pointed out that if I dont like a part of an easily modified anything(mini, car, firearm) there exists the means to rectify it. Some people dont know they can modify stuff.
Yeah this just seems to be testing the water for a full mono pose army while being likely the most expensive army ever made outside a FW Titan legion. We’re at what a £100’s worth of HQ’s with 3 models I hope SoB players have been saving as the way things are going the all metal army would be the cheaper option.
Yeah, that was a given when Sisters were announced. This year's price hikes only make it more obvious.
Racerguy180 wrote: no one said they cant complain if they don't like something. complain all you want, but when someone suggests something one can do about it, dont continue to complain about how it cant be fixed.
I just pointed out that if I dont like a part of an easily modified anything(mini, car, firearm) there exists the means to rectify it. Some people dont know they can modify stuff.
Yeah this just seems to be testing the water for a full mono pose army while being likely the most expensive army ever made outside a FW Titan legion. We’re at what a £100’s worth of HQ’s with 3 models I hope SoB players have been saving as the way things are going the all metal army would be the cheaper option.
Yeah, that was a given when Sisters were announced. This year's price hikes only make it more obvious.
Unless these are some cheap ass(points wise) power armored minitures, GSC is going to be really hard to beat. It'd have to be 100 bucks for 10 sisters to be more expensive than GSC per point.
Racerguy180 wrote: no one said they cant complain if they don't like something. complain all you want, but when someone suggests something one can do about it, dont continue to complain about how it cant be fixed.
I just pointed out that if I dont like a part of an easily modified anything(mini, car, firearm) there exists the means to rectify it. Some people dont know they can modify stuff.
Yeah this just seems to be testing the water for a full mono pose army while being likely the most expensive army ever made outside a FW Titan legion. We’re at what a £100’s worth of HQ’s with 3 models I hope SoB players have been saving as the way things are going the all metal army would be the cheaper option.
Yeah, that was a given when Sisters were announced. This year's price hikes only make it more obvious.
Unless these are some cheap ass(points wise) power armored minitures, GSC is going to be really hard to beat. It'd have to be 100 bucks for 10 sisters to be more expensive than GSC per point.
I think I should add that I don't agree with the most expensive ever part in absolute terms. As you say, Genestealer Cults are not in a good spot and they're a horde army on top of everything.
Still, I expect Sisters to be hideously expensive. I thought some of the more recent vehicle and monster kits were bad. Then GW released the new Repulsor. As far as I'm concerned we've now moved past silly pricing into ludicrous territory.
I've basically abandoned the idea of buying a Sisters army without the inevitable discount boxes we'll get however far down the line to at least get the core of the army at something I can consider a reasonable price.
Part of me thinks we might see a battle box containing some mono-pose sisters before we get the full kits, much like the Primaris Vanguard units got with Shadowspear. The only thing I'm not sure on is if they'll have units from another army in place to pit against the sisters for it to make it happen.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Anybody considered that she could actually be a special character which is why she has a scenic base?
I can't think of an instance where Warhammer Community blatantly misrepresented a model's name. The article title is just Sister Hospitaller, and they talk of her as the new Hospitaller model.
I think if the model was supposed to be Sister Hospitaller Kate, they would have said so.
phillv85 wrote: Part of me thinks we might see a battle box containing some mono-pose sisters before we get the full kits, much like the Primaris Vanguard units got with Shadowspear. The only thing I'm not sure on is if they'll have units from another army in place to pit against the sisters for it to make it happen.
THere was that one insistent rumour when traitor guardsmen showed up.
altough i believe we will see a full propper cultist box before that happens. Or a plastic deffkopta from black reach to actually be released.
A little busy, but not bad.
However, this thread neatly proves that releasing something after fanbase spent close to two decades building a perfect vision of it in their heads will always disappoint.
If HL3 released today, fans would tear it to shreds for not being the Messiah of gaming too.
Cronch wrote: A little busy, but not bad.
However, this thread neatly proves that releasing something after fanbase spent close to two decades building a perfect vision of it in their heads will always disappear.
If HL3 released today, fans would tear it to shreds for not being the Messiah of gaming too.
Nah, it just cements that those whining make the most noise, as ever.
The range is probably going to be incredibly well received, with sellouts and stock shortages on release. Something that the whingery here won't predict.
Cronch wrote: A little busy, but not bad.
However, this thread neatly proves that releasing something after fanbase spent close to two decades building a perfect vision of it in their heads will always disappear.
If HL3 released today, fans would tear it to shreds for not being the Messiah of gaming too.
Nah, it just cements that those whining make the most noise, as ever.
The range is probably going to be incredibly well received, with sellouts and stock shortages on release. Something that the whingery here won't predict.
yeah but GW could literally sell dog poop in a plastic bag for £100 each and it would sell out...
so its not saying much about the fanbase really...
Cronch wrote: A little busy, but not bad.
However, this thread neatly proves that releasing something after fanbase spent close to two decades building a perfect vision of it in their heads will always disappear.
A fair point if everything had been dismissed as terrible, but the basic battle sisters were relatively well received.
"A little busy" is a fair criticism of a ~30pt minor non-combat model that is based like a primarch.
"a little busy" is a general criticism one can give to basically all GW models. Especially those sold in the last 10 years.
Heck I remember making that same comment about the plastic Lord of Change here on this board. The general reception I got from the critique is "Duh! It's GW! Of course it's needlessly busy"
I don't get whining about base. Primaris apothecary also has scenic base. He is not a single cent more expensive than other primaris characters. Primaris DA lieutenant comes with a lot of scenic tactical rocks, he is among the cheapest primaris characters. Literally every single Underworlds mini has a scenic base, and this is the cheapest GW range in pretty much decades...
Number of sprues would be a lot better price predictor and I still can't see the Hospitalier to take more than one.
Not Online!!! wrote: Or a plastic deffkopta from black reach to actually be released.
You know Vedros had been a thing for years now, yes?
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Anybody considered that she could actually be a special character which is why she has a scenic base?
Why would being a special character make a difference? The base is still too big.
Wouldn't the larger base also potentially make it more effective in game? The medic ability is probably 'within 6" of this model' or some such, so the large base gives her a little more reach. Plus, the scenic base is gorgeous
Prometheum5 wrote: Wouldn't the larger base also potentially make it more effective in game? The medic ability is probably 'within 6" of this model' or some such, so the large base gives her a little more reach.
At the end of the movement phase, on a roll of 4+, the hospitaller may heal d3 wounds or return one dead model to a unit within 3".
In practical terms the larger base just makes her easier to shoot at. But perhaps her rules have changed in the codex.
phillv85 wrote: Part of me thinks we might see a battle box containing some mono-pose sisters before we get the full kits, much like the Primaris Vanguard units got with Shadowspear. The only thing I'm not sure on is if they'll have units from another army in place to pit against the sisters for it to make it happen.
THere was that one insistent rumour when traitor guardsmen showed up.
altough i believe we will see a full propper cultist box before that happens. Or a plastic deffkopta from black reach to actually be released.
Now a SoB vs traitor guard would interest me. It would probably leave me skint as well.
Oh snap, I just figured out how to make good use of the Hospitaller.
1. Buy 5+ copies of her. as many as you can afford.
2. Convert all but one of the copies into 'regular' Hospitallers. Put them on standard bases, use them as a normal character model.
3. Sell any excess copies that you've put on normal bases. Buyers will thank you for this kindness.
4. Find the biggest base you possibly can.
5. Assemble an awesome "OMG everybody's dead QQ" diorama Hospitaller, using one copy of the Hosp model and every single copy of the dying Battle Sister you've accumulated.
6. Show off your insane creation to friends.
7. Field the monster Hospitaller in a game, so her aura fills the entire table and whereever she goes half a dozen dying sisters follow her.
8. For bonus points, add a Grey Knight wearing a Battle Sister's head as a hat to the scene, so it resembles Gandalf vs. The Balrog
On a more serious note, the fallen Sisters would make nice objective markers. Or turn markers. Or fallen Saint markers. Etc...
Cronch wrote: A little busy, but not bad.
However, this thread neatly proves that releasing something after fanbase spent close to two decades building a perfect vision of it in their heads will always disappear.
If HL3 released today, fans would tear it to shreds for not being the Messiah of gaming too.
Nah, it just cements that those whining make the most noise, as ever.
The range is probably going to be incredibly well received, with sellouts and stock shortages on release. Something that the whingery here won't predict.
yeah but GW could literally sell dog poop in a plastic bag for £100 each and it would sell out...
so its not saying much about the fanbase really...
Very few releases that aren't special editions or rule books ever sell out. I don't think any of the primaris stuff has sold out at all except maybe dark imperium's first run.
You're full of it and ending multiple sentences in a row with ellipsis is giving yourself away a bit.
Casbyness wrote: Oh snap, I just figured out how to make good use of the Hospitaller.
1. Buy 5+ copies of her. as many as you can afford.
2. Convert all but one of the copies into 'regular' Hospitallers. Put them on standard bases, use them as a normal character model.
3. Sell any excess copies that you've put on normal bases. Buyers will thank you for this kindness.
4. Find the biggest base you possibly can.
5. Assemble an awesome "OMG everybody's dead QQ" diorama Hospitaller, using one copy of the Hosp model and every single copy of the dying Battle Sister you've accumulated.
6. Show off your insane creation to friends.
7. Field the monster Hospitaller in a game, so her aura fills the entire table and whereever she goes half a dozen dying sisters follow her.
8. For bonus points, add a Grey Knight wearing a Battle Sister's head as a hat to the scene, so it resembles Gandalf vs. The Balrog
Cronch wrote: A little busy, but not bad.
However, this thread neatly proves that releasing something after fanbase spent close to two decades building a perfect vision of it in their heads will always disappear.
If HL3 released today, fans would tear it to shreds for not being the Messiah of gaming too.
Nah, it just cements that those whining make the most noise, as ever.
The range is probably going to be incredibly well received, with sellouts and stock shortages on release. Something that the whingery here won't predict.
yeah but GW could literally sell dog poop in a plastic bag for £100 each and it would sell out...
so its not saying much about the fanbase really...
Very few releases that aren't special editions or rule books ever sell out. I don't think any of the primaris stuff has sold out at all except maybe dark imperium's first run.
You're full of it and ending multiple sentences in a row with ellipsis is giving yourself away a bit.
Saying a bag of poo would sell out doesn't mean I'm suggesting everything sells out.
Stop being a prat.
Racerguy180 wrote: no one said they cant complain if they don't like something. complain all you want, but when someone suggests something one can do about it, dont continue to complain about how it cant be fixed.
I just pointed out that if I dont like a part of an easily modified anything(mini, car, firearm) there exists the means to rectify it. Some people dont know they can modify stuff.
Let me know when I said it was something 'unfixable'.
And while I'm sure you meant well, Saying it can be fixed just feels like you're one of the people who tries to shut down conversations.
Racerguy180 wrote: no one said they cant complain if they don't like something. complain all you want, but when someone suggests something one can do about it, dont continue to complain about how it cant be fixed.
I just pointed out that if I dont like a part of an easily modified anything(mini, car, firearm) there exists the means to rectify it. Some people dont know they can modify stuff.
Let me know when I said it was something 'unfixable'.
And while I'm sure you meant well, Saying it can be fixed just feels like you're one of the people who tries to shut down conversations.
I just want people to present actual solutions rather than just endlessly bagging on something. Would hope others feel the same.
Commodus Leitdorf wrote: "a little busy" is a general criticism one can give to basically all GW models. Especially those sold in the last 10 years.
Except Primaris Marines. Then it's 'too plain'.
If there's anything that has enlightened me to just how people the 40k community likes to complain it's been Primaris.
The thing is, the 40k community is diverse and gets more so with time. Each time GW changes design direction, they attract new players to which the new direction speaks and disgruntle old players that liked things the way they were, not because of nostalgia or stubbornness but because that was the way they were introduced to the game, background or miniatures in their time.
The longer this goes on, the more groups with different ideas do you get, all vying for the same resources when the time comes for their faction to get updated. GW can't, and may even be unwilling to, cater to all of these at once and usually ends following their own, current design paradigm with no attempt to adhere to established designs to get those groups on board that are not catered to with the current thing.
There is very little point to criticizing the 40k community as if it was supposed to follow a single point of view but is too contrarian to do so. It's a conglomeration of individuals that got hooked on very different conditions, and we'd have a lot fewer dozen-page shouting matches about whether the old thing or the new thing is better if it was treated as such.
If there's anything that has enlightened me to just how people the 40k community likes to complain it's been Primaris.
Yup, there's nothing that encourages people to dismiss other's opinions as just complaining for the sake of it like seeing people complain about something that we like...
You can disagree with other people's reasons for disliking a model, but dismissing it as complaining just because they 'like to complain' does the entire community a disservice. Different people like different things, for different reasons.
BaronIveagh wrote: Not to complain, it's actually not a bad mini, but... in previous canon, Hospitalars didn't get power armor at all, they got carapace armor, IIRC.
who knows, maybe there more casualties now due to the rift more SOB are dying so the Hospateller's duties bring them closer to the front lines ala SM Apothecary.
But we really dont know how GW's 2019 reinterpretation of SOB will go?
BaronIveagh wrote: Not to complain, it's actually not a bad mini, but... in previous canon, Hospitalars didn't get power armor at all, they got carapace armor, IIRC.
Hospitalers as well as Dialogus in 7th (Imperial agents, Celestian squad character upgrades) had a 3+ armor save and Assault/krak grenades (as well as a bolt pistol), heavily implying that they had in fact Power Armor. They only replaced their boltgun for their specialized gear.
Is there a chance that the Hospitaller will be an HQ choice in the new codex? Sisters need at least one more generic option there. And the mini shown seems a little much for an Elites choice to me.
oomiestompa wrote: Is there a chance that the Hospitaller will be an HQ choice in the new codex? Sisters need at least one more generic option there. And the mini shown seems a little much for an Elites choice to me.
Anything's possible, I guess. I don't expect it, though.
Given how a good number of models GW does these days look, this one probably looks the way it because nobody stopped the designer, not because they wanted to distinguish this model as an HQ choice.
The rules team seems to have a little more standardized method of approaching things, and the Hospitaller is pretty clearly an army support character type, not a leader type.
I don't know what GW has planned for the army, but my guess is we'll get a Canoness as the generic army leader (with a Palatine being the cheap Lieutenant variant), a Confessor for the priestly support leader, and may a Living Saint (or just Celestine) as the big bad melee fighter leader. Maybe a Mistress of Repentance in HQ, since she's no longer a squad leader.
But I don't expect big surprises with Sisters. The army didn't get any love before GW's first community survey, so it's clear no one at GW is there to champion them, and the project is being realized in the shortest amount of time GW large army projects require. That's not an ideal foundation for a creative or good update.
Idk they seem to be putting a lot of time into the codex, even releasing a pre-codex to see if viable.
As someone who has a pretty big sisters army I am looking forward to it (the new codex) but will i buy the new models? nah. I bought the limited edition superior (or preview plastic one) and saw that they are gunna be a little bigger than my army atm, so just re-based my entire army to 32's. Not gunna bother buying the new models just making sure I have enough of everything atm to make an army no matter what.
The Hospitaller seems a bit overdone to me. Bit weird having a diorama base on what amounts to a glorified squad sergeant.
Regardless, my main complaint is that if you put doves on a medic model then I am inevitably going to think of the Medic from TF2.
Unrelated, I saw the Canoness model for the first time (I searched for it after it got mentioned earlier). It looks... odd, to say the least. I don't know, to my mind it looks less like a Canoness and more like someone head-swapped a Confessor.
Sorry of I've missed the boat on that discussion but what are the general thoughts on the Canoness?
vipoid wrote: The Hospitaller seems a bit overdone to me. Bit weird having a diorama base on what amounts to a glorified squad sergeant.
Regardless, my main complaint is that if you put doves on a medic model then I am inevitably going to think of the Medic from TF2.
Unrelated, I saw the Canoness model for the first time (I searched for it after it got mentioned earlier). It looks... odd, to say the least. I don't know, to my mind it looks less like a Canoness and more like someone head-swapped a Confessor.
Sorry of I've missed the boat on that discussion but what are the general thoughts on the Canoness?
Spectral Ceramite wrote: Idk they seem to be putting a lot of time into the codex, even releasing a pre-codex to see if viable.
As someone who has a pretty big sisters army I am looking forward to it (the new codex) but will i buy the new models? nah. I bought the limited edition superior (or preview plastic one) and saw that they are gunna be a little bigger than my army atm, so just re-based my entire army to 32's. Not gunna bother buying the new models just making sure I have enough of everything atm to make an army no matter what.
I don't follow the rules side of things since I have no interest in 8th ed and don't play it but it seems the beta codex was no well received and frequently got called worse than the index. If that's putting a lot of time into it then it's no different from GW's way of putting a lot of time into playtesting - but, again, I don't play this sorry edition, so I may have perceived it differently from how it really is.
Yes, the new plastics will stand a head taller than the old metals. GW has unified human size after getting Cadians so wrong way back when. So while the new ones are different from the old ones, at least we can expect that they will look the part next to any other modern model. I'm not going to use my old models next to any new ones I'll buy, but if I did I'd probably rebase the old ones and put a little extra height on the base to bring them closer. Not too much so the taller base remains unintrusive, mind you.
vipoid wrote: Sorry of I've missed the boat on that discussion but what are the general thoughts on the Canoness?
Mixed reactions. If I recall the collar and whacking stick were not well loved. I certainly agree with the distaste for the collar and there was a shopped image with it removed that I found much more to my liking. Some other niggles here and there but it certainly did not spark a dozen-page long debate like the Repentia.
I had a mildly negative reaction to the model because of the overall impression it left, but thanks to said shopped picture I can say with some confidence that removing the collar is such a massive improvement that I wouldn't mind having the model after all. Maybe another slight adjust here or there, but the way the silhouette changed once the collar was gone had me convinced.
Geifer wrote: Mixed reactions. If I recall the collar and whacking stick were not well loved. I certainly agree with the distaste for the collar and there was a shopped image with it removed that I found much more to my liking. Some other niggles here and there but it certainly did not spark a dozen-page long debate like the Repentia.
I had a mildly negative reaction to the model because of the overall impression it left, but thanks to said shopped picture I can say with some confidence that removing the collar is such a massive improvement that I wouldn't mind having the model after all. Maybe another slight adjust here or there, but the way the silhouette changed once the collar was gone had me convinced.
Interesting. I don't suppose you have a link to the shopped picture with the collar removed?
I have based mine on 2x layers of cork. They are the same height as the new SoB. I have also based all my Deathwatch marines on 2x layers of cork (32mm bases). These make my SoB and DW same height as primaris and new SoB for those that have 10's of thousands of points (2x layers of cork think 1mil or so). Not to fear our armies of the inquisition will still be pertinent...
vipoid wrote: Interesting. I don't suppose you have a link to the shopped picture with the collar removed?
Found the post:
changemod wrote: A quick mock-up of how she looks with the collar removed. I’d say I prefer it, she’s already plenty ornate without something throwing off the silhouette and making it look like she’d start to struggle with mobility.
The image is attached to that post, so won't show in the quote, but if you follow the link you should see it.
vipoid wrote: Interesting. I don't suppose you have a link to the shopped picture with the collar removed?
Found the post:
changemod wrote: A quick mock-up of how she looks with the collar removed. I’d say I prefer it, she’s already plenty ornate without something throwing off the silhouette and making it look like she’d start to struggle with mobility.
The image is attached to that post, so won't show in the quote, but if you follow the link you should see it.
Thanks.
Removing the collar is definitely an improvement, though I still can't say I like the model. For some reason I really don't like the staff/sceptre she's holding. Also not a fan of the dangling ball things. Looks like you could put several Canonesses side by side and make a Newton's Cradle.
vipoid wrote: Removing the collar is definitely an improvement, though I still can't say I like the model. For some reason I really don't like the staff/sceptre she's holding. Also not a fan of the dangling ball things. Looks like you could put several Canonesses side by side and make a Newton's Cradle.
She'd make a good prioress IMO. Figurehead leader rather than combat character.
Funny (but also kinda sad) thing that I learned thanks to my ex (who's an all-round great person and quite a bird enthusiast): The white "doves" that the church like to release, called release doves, are actually specially bred pigeon that have an unnatural color and no instinct or defense. You don't see them very often anymore, because they tend to get killed, sometimes quickly, and when you release beautiful white birds for symbolism and they get brutally murdered by other birds straight out of the church it kind of ruins the symbolism. So, yeah, that sounds quite like the Ecclesiarchy would do, since it involved unnatural manipulation and bloody murder, though I kind of expect them to add laser bionics on the doves so they can destroy the competition lol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_dove
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KILLER DOVES! It's just regular inbred white pigeons, but they have received the same treatment as arcoflagellants.
DESTROYER DOVES! Inbred white pigeon, but their hearts have been replaced by a bomb which explodes when they die. They will guano on enemy troops until the foe kills them, and then BOOM!
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: DESTROYER DOVES!
Inbred white pigeon, but their hearts have been replaced by a bomb which explodes when they die. They will guano on enemy troops until the foe kills them, and then BOOM!
Yes but the USA gov't doesn't have church organ tanks .
I think it's the kind of thing that works in fiction but not really IRL, both projects you listed failed.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I think it's the kind of thing that works in fiction but not really IRL, both projects you listed failed.
They "failed" in the sense they started to run out of targets for them by the middle of 1944. Both would be ready for use in the summer of 1945 and the war was expected to be done by then so the funding was first reduced than pulled. Across the board, too, US navy was left with dozens of half-finished ships that were cut by the same axe...
Geifer wrote: Much more entertaining than any stupid birds Sisters get, that's for sure.
Even if our birds end up having LAZERS and MELTA TO THE FACE?
Irbis wrote: They "failed" in the sense they started to run out of targets for them by the middle of 1944. Both would be ready for use in the summer of 1945 and the war was expected to be done by then so the funding was first reduced than pulled. Across the board, too, US navy was left with dozens of half-finished ships that were cut by the same axe...
They were never revived while military tech has evolved a lot since then with a bunch of completely new concepts like drones.
Well not true, the pigeon one was revived and then abandoned again.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Funny (but also kinda sad) thing that I learned thanks to my ex (who's an all-round great person and quite a bird enthusiast):
The white "doves" that the church like to release, called release doves, are actually specially bred pigeon that have an unnatural color and no instinct or defense. You don't see them very often anymore, because they tend to get killed, sometimes quickly, and when you release beautiful white birds for symbolism and they get brutally murdered by other birds straight out of the church it kind of ruins the symbolism.
So, yeah, that sounds quite like the Ecclesiarchy would do, since it involved unnatural manipulation and bloody murder, though I kind of expect them to add laser bionics on the doves so they can destroy the competition lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_dove
This is actually a thing in 40K. In one of the Eisenhorn novels he goes to a Shrineworld to get his sword blessed before confronting the Big Bad, it's basically a desert planet, and the Ecclesiarchy release huge swarms of purpose-bred yellow finch-esque birds every single day(they have some symbolism related to the world's saint), and they fly off and die pretty much immediately in the punishing heat, to the point that the plains around the city are practically carpeted with countless bleached bird bones.
oomiestompa wrote: Is there a chance that the Hospitaller will be an HQ choice in the new codex? Sisters need at least one more generic option there. And the mini shown seems a little much for an Elites choice to me.
Yodhrin wrote: This is actually a thing in 40K. In one of the Eisenhorn novels he goes to a Shrineworld to get his sword blessed before confronting the Big Bad, it's basically a desert planet, and the Ecclesiarchy release huge swarms of purpose-bred yellow finch-esque birds every single day(they have some symbolism related to the world's saint), and they fly off and die pretty much immediately in the punishing heat, to the point that the plains around the city are practically carpeted with countless bleached bird bones.
There will be a Sister of Battle Army Set that include the new Codex and 25 models. Based on the video and announcement, I am expecting the following models all shown the various Bulletins:
Cannoness
Battle Sisters: 7 including Storm Bolter, Flamer, Imagifer, and Superior with Chainsword
Seraphim: 5 including Superior with Plasma Pistol and Power Sword
Sisters Repentia: 4
Mistress of Repentance
Penitent Engine
That's 19 models, so we will have to wait and see what the other 6 are.
There will be a Sister of Battle Army Set that include the new Codex and 25 models. Based on the video and announcement, I am expecting the following models all shown the various Bulletins:
Cannoness
Battle Sisters: 7 including Storm Bolter, Flamer, Imagifer, and Superior with Chainsword
Seraphim: 5 including Superior with Plasma Pistol and Power Sword
Sisters Repentia: 4
Mistress of Repentance
Penitent Engine
That's 19 models, so we will have to wait and see what the other 6 are.
Make it five Repentia, ten Sisters, throw in the Hospitaller, and add one more elite character like a standard bearer or dialogus. That would make 25 with sensible box numbers.
We need some good screenshots from the new trailer. Some very nice minis in there.
Love the Seraphim - the jump packs are fantastic. The Penitent Engine is really cool.
And there's a Mistress of Repentance (is that her name). Really nice mini. I wonder how that weirdo on Facebook feels about the Repentia's "agency" now.
The standard Sisters are good, except for the scenic bases. Every flamer girl's gonna be on that rising rubble.
H.B.M.C. wrote: We need some good screenshots from the new trailer. Some very nice minis in there.
Spoiler:
Removed - Rule #1 please
A bit bummed about still no new units or vehicles, but we know not everything is revealed yet because they teased a new version of the rhino.
According to one of the screenshot from the video we will get a ten sisters squad.
What base size do you see?
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Also, GW continues the long tradition of Sisters of Battle release having more male miniatures in them than the whole entire number of female release for all the space marines factions imperial and chaotic combined, lol.
There are images of the canoness sprue on instagram, no extra head options. Also looks like the plasma pistol is molded onto the back of the cape, no bolt pistol. What you see in the image is all you get. I'm kinda meh about this model so hopefully they go the primaris lieutenant route and give us another one with the fur collar shooting a pistol later on. Good thing is you can probably easily use any of the other heads in the sob kits instead.
Curious to see what the dialogus will look like, assuming we get one.
Hopefully, this is just a taste of what's to come. We still need Celestians, Retributors, our vehicles, and whatever characters they want to include. A Ministonum Priest kit would be nice, as would a unit of Arco-flagellants.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I think I have a solution for the Penitent Engine pilot. Replace the the male pilot with a one of the banshees from the Mortis Engine. The one screaming with her arms crossed would be a perfect base for conversion. Paint her flesh-tone with some golden glowing eyes, and wrap her in hobby chain. Bam...a penitent Psyker being leached of it life-force to power the engine. Kind of a mirror to the Psykers being leached to death in the "psychic Choir" about the golden throne.
Mr_Rose wrote: Make it five Repentia, ten Sisters, throw in the Hospitaller, and add one more elite character like a standard bearer or dialogus. That would make 25 with sensible box numbers.
I suspect 10 sisters and the imagifier as an 11th - GW won't be passing up the chance to box the banners and mistress separately from the squads (and I can't spot the stormbolter in the wide shot, which would make the 10th model of the squad).
So:
11 battle sisters (superior, flamer, stormbolter, imagifier)
5 seraphim
1 canoness
1 mistress (actually looking good IMO but... more palatine than mistress)
5 repentia
1 penitent engine
1 ...?
Mr_Rose wrote: Make it five Repentia, ten Sisters, throw in the Hospitaller, and add one more elite character like a standard bearer or dialogus. That would make 25 with sensible box numbers.
I suspect 10 sisters and the imagifier as an 11th - GW won't be passing up the chance to box the banners and mistress separately from the squads (and I can't spot the stormbolter in the wide shot, which would make the 10th model of the squad).
So:
11 battle sisters (superior, flamer, stormbolter, imagifier)
5 seraphim
1 canoness
1 mistress (actually looking good IMO but... more palatine than mistress)
5 repentia
1 penitent engine
1 ...?
~£100 no doubt.
New units still missing in action it seems.
Also some form of limited edition codex, as per the preview article. I would like to feel good about this box, but a limited codex plus brand new models means I'm probably going to have a heart attack upon seeing the price.
I mean, it’s nice, and a good sculpt. Just wish it had longer legs.
I'd call it classic. It combined with the basic Sisters is actually a beautiful sight after seeing what they did to Shrike (and most of the Primaris line so far).
It's a no nonsense walker with Imperial gothic design cues and a minimum of modernized vehicle bits found on other, especially Mechanicus models.
From the picture we've got I'd say it's a respectful translation into plastic and I'm happy that much of the Sisters range in this box can claim the same. Shame Repentias are an exception.
- Exposed, almost naked driver
- No nonsense walker
Choose one.
I was talking looks and design of the actual vehicle, but I'm pretty sure exposing known heretics to enemy fire is as serious as business gets. Protecting the pilot is nonsense.
This is actually a thing in 40K. In one of the Eisenhorn novels he goes to a Shrineworld to get his sword blessed before confronting the Big Bad, it's basically a desert planet, and the Ecclesiarchy release huge swarms of purpose-bred yellow finch-esque birds every single day(they have some symbolism related to the world's saint), and they fly off and die pretty much immediately in the punishing heat, to the point that the plains around the city are practically carpeted with countless bleached bird bones.
Thats fantastically grimdark.
I think my doves will be an invasive species bred for grace and aggression that the sisters release as part of missionary interventions(invasions) that attack and replace local flying creatures.
Geifer wrote: but I'm pretty sure exposing known heretics to enemy fire is as serious as business gets. Protecting the pilot is nonsense.
So the aim is to have a big expensive powerful machine that can be disabled as easily as possible .
Unlike arcoflagellants, penitent engines never made sense to me.
The original engines were spare legs off a sentinel attached to crude arms and a power pack probably adapted from industrial/farming equipment. The penitent themselves had their skull/brain protected and what looked like enough life support to keep them alive and conscious while their body was shot to bits - kind of a firing squad by proxy.
The new ones don't have the same cobbled together look.
Geifer wrote: but I'm pretty sure exposing known heretics to enemy fire is as serious as business gets. Protecting the pilot is nonsense.
So the aim is to have a big expensive powerful machine that can be disabled as easily as possible .
Unlike arcoflagellants, penitent engines never made sense to me.
The aim is to go through religious ritual. A penitent is given the chance to redeem themselves by getting killed in the Emperor's service. The thing the Ecclesiarchy is spending its money on is not an effective war machine and the Ecclesiarchy's concern is not the enemy it is sent against, it's all about saving the heretic. You can't put a price on salvation.
vipoid wrote: I have to say, seeing the Canoness painted does not improve my opinion of her model.
Same. I'm actually less on board with the head than I was with the render. I think I'd prefer a helmet to go with all the stuff she's wearing because all the fabric seems a little overpowering to me. I still think it's decent model without that collar.
At least I don't dislike Repentias even more now, because, you know, rock bottom ain't got no basement.
"limited edition codex" makes me wonder if it's going to be a mini paperback codex covering just the models in the box, like the Vanguard & Daemonkin books.
Then once everyone has had a chance to get their army box painted up they'll drop the full codex and rest of the range in early 2020.
Geifer wrote: At least I don't dislike Repentias even more now, because, you know, rock bottom ain't got no basement.
Greenstuffed robes and boots still look to be the way forward with them.
They have the vibe of models from a different range that have been kitbashed into sisters by putting a slightly too large SoB head onto one of them... though I suppose in that regard the penitent engine still stands out like a sore thumb until we have the arcos, zealots, and other ecclesiarchal models to put alongside it. Perhaps the nu-repentia will fit visually with those.
xttz wrote: "limited edition codex" makes me wonder if it's going to be a mini paperback codex covering just the models in the box, like the Vanguard & Daemonkin books.
Then once everyone has had a chance to get their army box painted up they'll drop the full codex and rest of the range in early 2020.
I wouldn't want to rule it out and frankly I'd prefer this as I doubt a codex pamphlet would drive up the price of the box, but the thing that makes me suspect it's the full codex is the use of limited edition. If I recall correctly none of the previous battle boxes and the like that included rules went beyond calling what's in the box a codex.
Limited edition codex very much sounds like GW wants to sell this as added value. Worst case scenario, it's like a limited edition codex for other armies but packaged in a box with models to ask for an extra high price.
With the way it's presented in the article, I'm getting the distinct impression that when they say "dedicated to you die-hard Sisters of Battle fans as a reward for your unwavering faith", the reward they have in mind is meant for themselves by getting people who have waited so long for plastic Sisters to part with that extra bit of cash by dangling a super special deal in front of them.
Geifer wrote: At least I don't dislike Repentias even more now, because, you know, rock bottom ain't got no basement.
Greenstuffed robes and boots still look to be the way forward with them.
They have the vibe of models from a different range that have been kitbashed into sisters by putting a slightly too large SoB head onto one of them... though I suppose in that regard the penitent engine still stands out like a sore thumb until we have the arcos, zealots, and other ecclesiarchal models to put alongside it. Perhaps the nu-repentia will fit visually with those.
Robes and boots will be the easiest fix (though not to my taste), and if you did that then I could see Repentias actually go well with random zealots and other non-Sister Ecclesiarchy stuff. I have a hard time imagining the stock models to ever fit well with anything in this army.
I actually was assuming that by limited edition, they meant it had different cover art compared to the normal production codex, like the limited cover codexes when new ones are releases.
Geifer wrote: The aim is to go through religious ritual. A penitent is given the chance to redeem themselves by getting killed in the Emperor's service. The thing the Ecclesiarchy is spending its money on is not an effective war machine and the Ecclesiarchy's concern is not the enemy it is sent against, it's all about saving the heretic. You can't put a price on salvation.
Ok but then make it a T3 HP2/3 model or something.
The cannoness will definitely have to loose those nipple tassels.
Pretty fething spectacular though so far. I really hope they don't futz with either the immolator or the exorcist as those still hold up really well as far as kits go. Just make em into plastic and call it a day.
Speaking of plastic..... WHERE'S THE GOD-EMPEROR DAMNED REPRESSORS ALREADY?!
It's a bit disconcerting that you can tell the repeated bodies/poses of the sisters in the trailer. The Repentias on the left have identical chainswords, the two sisters on the left are identical, save for the head, etc. It's a bit of a minor nitpick, but it is still fairly noticeable.
What are the chances of a second pilot for the Penitent Engine? I love the first one, but a male and female option like the current set would guarantee me buying a second kit. (if the other pilots also good)
Geifer wrote: The aim is to go through religious ritual. A penitent is given the chance to redeem themselves by getting killed in the Emperor's service. The thing the Ecclesiarchy is spending its money on is not an effective war machine and the Ecclesiarchy's concern is not the enemy it is sent against, it's all about saving the heretic. You can't put a price on salvation.
Ok but then make it a T3 HP2/3 model or something.
Not going to happen, but since I don't play 8th ed I don't care either way.
It would be funny to have hit zones again, though. 8th ed can't do that with its rules framework, but it would be funny to have a one in three chance of hitting the way squishier pilot from the front arc, only for players to figure out a loophole in GW's writing and moonwalk their Penitent Engines towards the enemy.
It has been noted that there is a fair bit of pose duplication going on - only three distinct seraphim body/leg sculpts, three? bolter poses, same with the repentia.
GaroRobe wrote: It's a bit disconcerting that you can tell the repeated bodies/poses of the sisters in the trailer. The Repentias on the left have identical chainswords, the two sisters on the left are identical, save for the head, etc. It's a bit of a minor nitpick, but it is still fairly noticeable.
What are the chances of a second pilot for the Penitent Engine? I love the first one, but a male and female option like the current set would guarantee me buying a second kit. (if the other pilots also good)
At this point at least we can't rule it out. GW seems to show only models in the box so far, and if only one Penitent Engine is included, they'll only show as that exact model. We might get an article in the next few Battle Sister Bulletins (and another one about the Mistress of Repentance, now that she's out of the bag) that shines some light on the options, though.
Geifer wrote: The aim is to go through religious ritual. A penitent is given the chance to redeem themselves by getting killed in the Emperor's service. The thing the Ecclesiarchy is spending its money on is not an effective war machine and the Ecclesiarchy's concern is not the enemy it is sent against, it's all about saving the heretic. You can't put a price on salvation.
Ok but then make it a T3 HP2/3 model or something.
Not going to happen, but since I don't play 8th ed I don't care either way.
A.T. wrote: It has been noted that there is a fair bit of pose duplication going on - only three distinct seraphim body/leg sculpts, three? bolter poses, same with the repentia.
Note that, to use Shadowspear as an example, there is a lot of pose duplication in the recent box sets that then isn't an issue in the completed MPPKs.
I'm painting the marines from Shadowspear right now for a commission, and there are three totally identical in....filtrators? The bolter lads, and 2 sculpts each for the snipers and cartoon fire hydrant boys.
The completed kits do not have those duplicates. If this box set follows the formula from shadowspear, these sisters would be monopose and then the eventual kit would have a bit more swappability.
H.B.M.C. wrote: We need some good screenshots from the new trailer. Some very nice minis in there.
Whatever you say bro, whatever you say .
Spoiler:
Are those good enough for you?
A bit bummed about still no new units or vehicles, but we know not everything is revealed yet because they teased a new version of the rhino.
According to one of the screenshot from the video we will get a ten sisters squad.
What base size do you see?
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Also, GW continues the long tradition of Sisters of Battle release having more male miniatures in them than the whole entire number of female release for all the space marines factions imperial and chaotic combined, lol.
*nasally ben shapiro voice*
heh, TECHNICALLY there are two female renegade guardsmen from the blackstone fortress set, so the models revealed from the new sisters of battle have 100% fewer male sculpts than the entire SM/CSM range has female sculpts.
(Also, come on. You know this is a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't. If they're going for the whole "Tortured pilot" shtick and they defaulted to a female pilot the exact same segment of the internet that complains about boys in SOB having cooties would call them creepy sex perverts.)
heh, TECHNICALLY there are two female renegade guardsmen from the blackstone fortress set, so the models revealed from the new sisters of battle have 100% fewer male sculpts than the entire SM/CSM range has female sculpts.
The SoB had male models in the range and in their codex in literally every edition. Most of the time they even had more male special characters than females one in their codex.
the_scotsman wrote: (Also, come on. You know this is a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't. If they're going for the whole "Tortured pilot" shtick and they defaulted to a female pilot the exact same segment of the internet that complains about boys in SOB having cooties would call them creepy sex perverts.)
Well old penitent engine had both and noone complained either way!
Geifer wrote: The aim is to go through religious ritual. A penitent is given the chance to redeem themselves by getting killed in the Emperor's service. The thing the Ecclesiarchy is spending its money on is not an effective war machine and the Ecclesiarchy's concern is not the enemy it is sent against, it's all about saving the heretic. You can't put a price on salvation.
Ok but then make it a T3 HP2/3 model or something.
Not going to happen, but since I don't play 8th ed I don't care either way.
AV6 then.
An AV lower than 9 wouldn't have fit the design paradigm of 3rd ed onward.
If you want to do this, you need to go all the way back to 2nd ed, give the engine decent armor values and the pilot a hilariously bad one.
Obviously GW wouldn't do that. Low durability models can easily be fit into the rules and can be appropriately balanced, of course, but no one is going to pay the kind of money GW wants for a vehicle kit for what is statted as an infantry model.
Penitent engine, Seraphim, battle sisters, and mistress all look great. Expect to see a lot of broken whips on that mistress though.
Repentia look better painted, but the huge and proven-to-be unnecessary power armor ports still disrupt the sculpts too much and need to go. One of them is as big as the Sister’s entire elbow....
Mmmpi wrote: I actually was assuming that by limited edition, they meant it had different cover art compared to the normal production codex, like the limited cover codexes when new ones are releases.
They usauly call those collector's editions I beleive. The limited editions are the even more expensive versions. Like this genestealer cult one:
heh, TECHNICALLY there are two female renegade guardsmen from the blackstone fortress set, so the models revealed from the new sisters of battle have 100% fewer male sculpts than the entire SM/CSM range has female sculpts.
The SoB had male models in the range and in their codex in literally every edition. Most of the time they even had more male special characters than females one in their codex.
the_scotsman wrote: (Also, come on. You know this is a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't. If they're going for the whole "Tortured pilot" shtick and they defaulted to a female pilot the exact same segment of the internet that complains about boys in SOB having cooties would call them creepy sex perverts.)
Well old penitent engine had both and noone complained either way!
...This was a joke. Also, people definitely complain about the old penitent engine sculpt female pilot being exploitative and underdressed. Also also, you are making an assumption based on a single image that there will be no alternative pilot when...I dunno, he doesn't seem super integral to the model to me? I'd be real surprised if the full MPPK released and there were no options at all for the penitent engine, you know they'll at least throw in a new option or two to get people who already own the old sculpt to buy it. It'll have "Electro-whips" or "melta shmazers" or somesuch, I can't recall a kit being released recently that existed before and didn't add some kind of new option.
I suspect that some enterprising 3d modeller out there on the internet will step up and design a suitably disrobed female penitent to scratch that particular fetishniche of the community.
Mmmpi wrote: I actually was assuming that by limited edition, they meant it had different cover art compared to the normal production codex, like the limited cover codexes when new ones are releases.
They usauly call those collector's editions I beleive. The limited editions are the even more expensive versions. Like this genestealer cult one:
the_scotsman wrote: I can't recall a kit being released recently that existed before and didn't add some kind of new option.
It's a concern though isn't it, that after a year of previews and a beta version of the codex we haven't seen a single new option. We haven't even seen old options from the index and earlier editions, and that canoness sculpt is definitely not coming with a jump pack or two handed chainsword option.
A.T. wrote: It's a concern though isn't it, that after a year of previews and a beta version of the codex we haven't seen a single new option. We haven't even seen old options from the index and earlier editions, and that canoness sculpt is definitely not coming with a jump pack or two handed chainsword option.
Don't worry. She'll be in the Warhammer Legends book.
warboss wrote: I suspect that some enterprising 3d modeller out there on the internet will step up and design a suitably disrobed female penitent to scratch that particular fetishniche of the community.
A knee length hooded robe?
That's what the original had. Of course the original male pilot was wearing a skimpy loincloth - with the new one having long shorts and the changes to the repentia i'm thinking any official alternate pilot is going to be similarly tame and conservative.
warboss wrote: I suspect that some enterprising 3d modeller out there on the internet will step up and design a suitably disrobed female penitent to scratch that particular fetishniche of the community.
I should hope so. My faith in humanity is at stake here.
the_scotsman wrote: I can't recall a kit being released recently that existed before and didn't add some kind of new option.
It's a concern though isn't it, that after a year of previews and a beta version of the codex we haven't seen a single new option. We haven't even seen old options from the index and earlier editions, and that canoness sculpt is definitely not coming with a jump pack or two handed chainsword option.
It's still worth considering that we're over two months away from the release of that box and, since it comes with it, a glimpse of the codex. There is no rush for GW to reveal new stuff up until they send out preview versions of the box (as I have a feeling the codex will not be released on its own at the same time or before the box to encourage sales of the box). They have enough to preview since the thing that sells Sisters is the thing that was asked for - the range in plastic. Additions to it, which I'm sure we all want, are just a subset of that and can be handily used to create some short-term increase of interest before the actual release. Let's not forget that the advertising period for plastic Sisters has been very long by anyone's standards, certainly so for GW. It doesn't strike me as a bad idea to hold something new and exciting back to get people back on track that may be suffering from fatigue at the long wait.
Personally, I wouldn't hold out hope that there's a Canoness with jump pack and eviscerator, but that's just me. We're only going to get so many clampack characters and there's no model, rules to consider. I'm not saying every Canoness will be walking from now on and come equipped with a power sword, a plasma pistol and a whacking stick, but GW does their characters somewhat conservatively to fit traditional themes and equipment combos popular for their in game effectiveness are not what GW is after when they create their models. So I very much doubt that kind of unit survives.
It would be odd not to get new units at all, though. Maybe they'll just be alternate loadouts for existing units because GW won't commit to too many new kits for one release, but worries over not getting anything new with the release are at this point still unfounded.
Geifer wrote: but GW does their characters somewhat conservatively to fit traditional themes and equipment combos popular for their in game effectiveness are not what GW is after when they create their models. So I very much doubt that kind of unit survives.
If sisters suck on the table they are going to die as a line.
to anyone still hoping for a jump pack cannoness... id say forget it at this point. not in today's release cycle.
Nova's info actually let me down because i keep thinking about the effects of Warhammer Legends on certain 40k lines. all orky bikes may be a "retired" option (along with the cheapest KFF meks...), so don't expect a jump pack when Speed Freek bikes are out.
But as for the Sisters info, im actually kinda happy with this. we got a date for the models, and a glimpse of the plastic Mistress of Repentence and a bunch of Penitent Engine.
The engine.. looks great. something does feel off about it, but considering how often i heard of that thing being trouble for others, a plastic one is much appreciated, and at a glance it seems to have been carried over okay. wish it had both feet planted, but these days that's not as hip anymore...
as for the Mistress... So, THATS where they hid the Fire back Braziers?! she looks cool, even if i worry about the amount of space used up on the whips. i..flat out like this model. why did they hide it until now!
the Canoness actually looks even worse to me painted. i will not even comment about the Repentia. i wonder how the rules will hold up.
Bdrone wrote: to anyone still hoping for a jump pack cannoness... id say forget it at this point. not in today's release cycle.
Nova's info actually let me down because i keep thinking about the effects of Warhammer Legends on certain 40k lines. all orky bikes may be a "retired" option (along with the cheapest KFF meks...), so don't expect a jump pack when Speed Freek bikes are out.
But as for the Sisters info, im actually kinda happy with this. we got a date for the models, and a glimpse of the plastic Mistress of Repentence and a bunch of Penitent Engine.
The engine.. looks great. something does feel off about it, but considering how often i heard of that thing being trouble for others, a plastic one is much appreciated, and at a glance it seems to have been carried over okay. wish it had both feet planted, but these days that's not as hip anymore...
as for the Mistress... So, THATS where they hid the Fire back Braziers?! she looks cool, even if i worry about the amount of space used up on the whips. i..flat out like this model. why did they hide it until now!
the Canoness actually looks even worse to me painted. i will not even comment about the Repentia. i wonder how the rules will hold up.
The Mistress of Repentance is absolutely the most likely source of outrage coming from left wing sources for the new sisters of battle release, along with claims of fetishization involving the female penitent engine pilot.
The post about the Repentia absolutely had to highlight the repentia as strong/badass to provoke mild moralistic outrage from the right and omit the mistress to prevent moralistic outrage from the left. The mistress is definitely going to be slipped in as a background character and not overly highlighted in the sisters release. If they follow the recent trend in the big bundle box sets of including monopose minis then coming out with the MPPKs later with more options, I almost guarantee that's the PR decision behind making the monopose PE locked into a male pilot sculpt.
They might go as far as to having only male pilot sculpts in the full release, go the route of the ork buggies and the little DG daemon engine thingy of having a slightly lower price point and having the kit be totally monpose, but I doubt it. Sisters will probably be pitched as more of a Premium/Collector range like GSC and Admech where they receive somewhat more options and have higher price points.
I wonder if the SOB army box is going to be entirely sisters, something like a Start Collecting set on steroids. That's an interesting release strategy - makes sense, because they probably figure most of the target demo is going to own absolutely 0 sisters models to start and they want to give a cheap buy-in bundle to get people started.
If so, my fingers are crossed that Burning Corpse Flamer Sister is a thing that will only appear in the limited box run, and not every sister with a flamer will be required to have a corpsebuddy.
Well, based on the models shown in the video, it looks like the basic Battle Sisters will be a doubled-up five woman sprue, similar to the Necromunda gangs.
The (very obvious!) repetition of poses in the Seraphim and Repentia units seem to imply doubling up of sprues there as well (two sprues of two models each, plus a third sprue with an extra pose and some special weapon/squad leader parts?)
That's pretty disappointing.
On the plus side the Mistress of Repentance makes a better Cannoness than the actual Cannoness.
But on the down side again, the Penitent Engine doesn't live up to the current sculpt - spindly arms, a distinct lack of sculls and parchments, flagellants wear trousers now, I guess?, it doesn't look like it has an exhaust anymore..? But Oo look, it takes design cues from the Imperial Knight.
EDIT:
Or... Two sprues each with four regular Sisters, two seraphim, two Repentia. Then a third sprue with the flamer, Imagifer, and two Superiors. Characters on their own sprues for individual release later.
the_scotsman wrote: The post about the Repentia absolutely had to highlight the repentia as strong/badass to provoke mild moralistic outrage from the right and omit the mistress to prevent moralistic outrage from the left.
Woah, GW is trying to provoke moral outrage on the right and avoid it on the left, how very political of them !
the_scotsman wrote: If so, my fingers are crossed that Burning Corpse Flamer Sister is a thing that will only appear in the limited box run, and not every sister with a flamer will be required to have a corpsebuddy.
Geifer wrote: but GW does their characters somewhat conservatively to fit traditional themes and equipment combos popular for their in game effectiveness are not what GW is after when they create their models. So I very much doubt that kind of unit survives.
If sisters suck on the table they are going to die as a line.
the_scotsman wrote: The post about the Repentia absolutely had to highlight the repentia as strong/badass to provoke mild moralistic outrage from the right and omit the mistress to prevent moralistic outrage from the left.
Woah, GW is trying to provoke moral outrage on the right and avoid it on the left, how very political of them !
the_scotsman wrote: If so, my fingers are crossed that Burning Corpse Flamer Sister is a thing that will only appear in the limited box run, and not every sister with a flamer will be required to have a corpsebuddy.
Same.
The existence of the outrage mill and companies carefully crafting PR to spin it in their favor rather than blundering into it randomly is an unavoidable fact of modern advertising.
The Mistress of Repentance is absolutely the most likely source of outrage coming from left wing sources for the new sisters of battle release, along with claims of fetishization involving the female penitent engine pilot.
The post about the Repentia absolutely had to highlight the repentia as strong/badass to provoke mild moralistic outrage from the right and omit the mistress to prevent moralistic outrage from the left. The mistress is definitely going to be slipped in as a background character and not overly highlighted in the sisters release. If they follow the recent trend in the big bundle box sets of including monopose minis then coming out with the MPPKs later with more options, I almost guarantee that's the PR decision behind making the monopose PE locked into a male pilot sculpt.
If so, my fingers are crossed that Burning Corpse Flamer Sister is a thing that will only appear in the limited box run, and not every sister with a flamer will be required to have a corpsebuddy.
The amount of people on Dakka who do not know that hobby knives exist worries me.
im just glad there's finally one elite/HQ model I actually like in the Mistress.
..but if her rules are around the same, I doubt there's any point in running her without turning her into a Canoness. name me one time in this whole mess im not spending a fair bit in order to then pull out a knife to fix something i already waited a near decade to even get.
Also, fair point on some details on the engine, Lord Damocles. I'm still glad the engine is around, and in plastic now. first glance i just felt it was somewhat small.
Now that we see actual, painted miniatures, it's looking much better heh ?
Penitent Engine is clearly smaller than before (and it's in plastic ! Praise the Emperor ! My nightmarish days of building those heavy metal ones are finally behind me !). I like it this way, I must say. You can see by the chains binding him that it's not meant as a reward at all !
Well, now I know when they're coming out. Saving money for november...
Loving the look and feel of this one in particular. I though I was safe from this release, but it's hard to say no to a Seraphim with guns akimbo in a John Woo pose, only thing missing is the doves flying everywhere.
Yeah, they all look very nice painted. The Repentia definitely gain a lot with a dark and gritty scheme.
Still not a huge fan of the Canoness' collar, but that's nothing a little green stuff can't fix.
I suspect I'll try my best to get my hands on one of those boxes, come launch day, it's gonna be great to bring out the apothecary white and make me some order of the sacred rose.
Bdrone wrote: to anyone still hoping for a jump pack cannoness... id say forget it at this point. not in today's release cycle.
Nova's info actually let me down because i keep thinking about the effects of Warhammer Legends on certain 40k lines. all orky bikes may be a "retired" option (along with the cheapest KFF meks...), so don't expect a jump pack when Speed Freek bikes are out.
But as for the Sisters info, im actually kinda happy with this. we got a date for the models, and a glimpse of the plastic Mistress of Repentence and a bunch of Penitent Engine.
The engine.. looks great. something does feel off about it, but considering how often i heard of that thing being trouble for others, a plastic one is much appreciated, and at a glance it seems to have been carried over okay. wish it had both feet planted, but these days that's not as hip anymore...
as for the Mistress... So, THATS where they hid the Fire back Braziers?! she looks cool, even if i worry about the amount of space used up on the whips. i..flat out like this model. why did they hide it until now!
the Canoness actually looks even worse to me painted. i will not even comment about the Repentia. i wonder how the rules will hold up.
The Mistress of Repentance is absolutely the most likely source of outrage coming from left wing sources for the new sisters of battle release, along with claims of fetishization involving the female penitent engine pilot.
The post about the Repentia absolutely had to highlight the repentia as strong/badass to provoke mild moralistic outrage from the right and omit the mistress to prevent moralistic outrage from the left. The mistress is definitely going to be slipped in as a background character and not overly highlighted in the sisters release. If they follow the recent trend in the big bundle box sets of including monopose minis then coming out with the MPPKs later with more options, I almost guarantee that's the PR decision behind making the monopose PE locked into a male pilot sculpt.
They might go as far as to having only male pilot sculpts in the full release, go the route of the ork buggies and the little DG daemon engine thingy of having a slightly lower price point and having the kit be totally monpose, but I doubt it. Sisters will probably be pitched as more of a Premium/Collector range like GSC and Admech where they receive somewhat more options and have higher price points.
I wonder if the SOB army box is going to be entirely sisters, something like a Start Collecting set on steroids. That's an interesting release strategy - makes sense, because they probably figure most of the target demo is going to own absolutely 0 sisters models to start and they want to give a cheap buy-in bundle to get people started.
If so, my fingers are crossed that Burning Corpse Flamer Sister is a thing that will only appear in the limited box run, and not every sister with a flamer will be required to have a corpsebuddy.
That was the most obnoxious start to a paragraph I've ever seen. Yeah, 'outrage' okay.
Dude you've been on the internet too long. 99% of everyone in the real world doesn't give a gak, and if they do care it tops out at 'mild annoyance'.
- Are there melta guns on the sister squad sprues? GW knows we need like 4 of that single gun alone for each five-sister Dominion squad, right?
- Are there Celestian options/accessories on any sprues?
Still not sold on the Repentia at all, but might be worth buying a sprue of 5 just for the accessories, so they can be added to other models in the range.
Will consider the Penitent Engine if there's an alternative female pilot.
Current plan has switched to buying and converting multiple copies of the Mistress into a Canoness and Celestian Squad. Totally agree the official Canoness is garbage, I'd sooner use the original Nagash model to lead my Sisters army than her.
The Mistress of Repentance is absolutely the most likely source of outrage coming from left wing sources for the new sisters of battle release, along with claims of fetishization involving the female penitent engine pilot.
The post about the Repentia absolutely had to highlight the repentia as strong/badass to provoke mild moralistic outrage from the right and omit the mistress to prevent moralistic outrage from the left. The mistress is definitely going to be slipped in as a background character and not overly highlighted in the sisters release. If they follow the recent trend in the big bundle box sets of including monopose minis then coming out with the MPPKs later with more options, I almost guarantee that's the PR decision behind making the monopose PE locked into a male pilot sculpt.
If so, my fingers are crossed that Burning Corpse Flamer Sister is a thing that will only appear in the limited box run, and not every sister with a flamer will be required to have a corpsebuddy.
The amount of people on Dakka who do not know that hobby knives exist worries me.
Having the only available sculpt for a flamer, a weapon you can have....IIRC...four of, in a five-woman squad, be a monopose figure with a very distinct pose standing on top of something would be a pretty silly decision, regardless of players' ability to take a hobby knife to the miniature and change it up.
Sure, it'd be easy for her to be standing on a rock, or a low hill, or a pile of skulls, maybe a bucket or something, but it would still look fairly silly and could be entirely avoided by just..giving players flamers as a bit and letting them put the flamer on whatever mini they want.
I fully expect this to be the case in the full kit, since we've seen these kinds of monopose-then-full-release box sets with
- Are there melta guns on the sister squad sprues? GW knows we need like 4 of that single gun alone for each five-sister Dominion squad, right?
- Are there Celestian options/accessories on any sprues?
Still not sold on the Repentia at all, but might be worth buying a sprue of 5 just for the accessories, so they can be added to other models in the range.
Will consider the Penitent Engine if there's an alternative female pilot.
Current plan has switched to buying and converting multiple copies of the Mistress into a Canoness and Celestian Squad. Totally agree the official Canoness is garbage, I'd sooner use the original Nagash model to lead my Sisters army than her.
My dog that works at GW says there are no melta guns in any of the sisters kits, and GW will be personally coming to the houses of people who own the current sculpts and burning them.
If so, my fingers are crossed that Burning Corpse Flamer Sister is a thing that will only appear in the limited box run, and not every sister with a flamer will be required to have a corpsebuddy.
The amount of people on Dakka who do not know that hobby knives exist worries me.
It's been pointed out before in this very thread that yes hobby knives exist, and some people suck at using them, some people don't own them, and many people don't like having to do surgery to a model just to keep it from looking stupid.
Loving the look and feel of this one in particular. I though I was safe from this release, but it's hard to say no to a Seraphim with guns akimbo in a John Woo pose, only thing missing is the doves flying everywhere.
ERJAK wrote: That was the most obnoxious start to a paragraph I've ever seen. Yeah, 'outrage' okay.
See you say that, but when the Sisters Repentia were revealed there was one person on GW's facebook that praised GW for not having the Mistress as she would take the Repentia's agency away.
It was one of the weirdest comments I've ever seen about plastic miniatures.
I sometimes wonder how people here manage to even assemble their models... It is unlikely that the corpse is even in the same piece than the leg, and if it is you can just chew it off or do whatever you normally do to get the models off the sprue.
Successful Penitent Engine pilots* quickly figure out that you walk BACKWARDS until you're in flamer and/or saw range. If anybody complains about this behaviour, the male pilots can point out that they're literally men under giant robot arms, so they shouldn't even exist. The female pilots have to pull the old Simpsons defence and say a psyker did it.
More serious, I did NOT expect an army box for SoBs. A two faction set was unlikely, but seemed possible. But a whole box of sisters only? No way I'd have guessed this. Though I fear that this'll be more like their online bundles saving you zero currencies but limiting ehat you get instead of the battalion boxes of old or even the current battleforces.
*well, not that successful if you want to be a martyr.
H.B.M.C. wrote: See you say that, but when the Sisters Repentia were revealed there was one person on GW's facebook that praised GW for not having the Mistress as she would take the Repentia's agency away.
It was one of the weirdest comments I've ever seen about plastic miniatures.
Crimson wrote: So there is no actual issue then? The multipart kits will indeed most likely let you put the special weapons on any model.
That's not how modern kits work at all.
Take the recent CSM kit. The Plasma Gun is meant to go on one of the torsos. It's also the torso that can have the Missile Launcher. You wanted both? That's too bad, unless you finagle a new way of doing it.
Crimson wrote: So there is no actual issue then? The multipart kits will indeed most likely let you put the special weapons on any model.
That's not how modern kits work at all.
Take the recent CSM kit. The Plasma Gun is meant to go on one of the torsos. It's also the torso that can have the Missile Launcher. You wanted both? That's too bad, unless you finagle a new way of doing it.
This plasmagun that is a completely separate piece that you can easily use instead of any bolter? This one?
Crimson wrote: This plasmagun that is a completely separate piece that you can easily use instead of any bolter? This one?
Do you own the kit? If you did, you'd have the instructions, the instructions that show you how to build each miniature, and which numbered parts fit with other parts.
That plasma gun fits with one set of arms, that fit with one torso. I'm sure you can find a way to make it work with other torsos, but that's not the point. The point is that GW's modern kits have fewer options (and poses) as they need to be built a specific way.
The specific torso in this instance can have the plasma gun, the missile launcher, one one specific bolter. No other torsos take the plasma gun or missile launcher, so, as I said, if you want both (and don't want to have to convert a kit just to use basic weaponry) you'll need a second box.
Crimson wrote: This plasmagun that is a completely separate piece that you can easily use instead of any bolter? This one?
Do you own the kit? If you did, you'd have the instructions, the instructions that show you how to build each miniature, and which numbered parts fit with other parts.
That plasma gun fits with one set of arms, that fit with one torso. I'm sure you can find a way to make it work with other torsos, but that's not the point. The point is that GW's modern kits have fewer options (and poses) as they need to be built a specific way.
The specific torso in this instance can have the plasma gun, the missile launcher, one one specific bolter. No other torsos take the plasma gun or missile launcher, so, as I said, if you want both (and don't want to have to convert a kit just to use basic weaponry) you'll need a second box.
That's nonsense. I don't have that specific kit, but the Primaris instructions are like that too. Those instructions are just suggestions. In reality all arms fit on all torsos. They cannot feasibly list every possible combination of parts on their instructions.
Crimson wrote: This plasmagun that is a completely separate piece that you can easily use instead of any bolter? This one?
Do you own the kit? If you did, you'd have the instructions, the instructions that show you how to build each miniature, and which numbered parts fit with other parts.
That plasma gun fits with one set of arms, that fit with one torso. I'm sure you can find a way to make it work with other torsos, but that's not the point. The point is that GW's modern kits have fewer options (and poses) as they need to be built a specific way.
The specific torso in this instance can have the plasma gun, the missile launcher, one one specific bolter. No other torsos take the plasma gun or missile launcher, so, as I said, if you want both (and don't want to have to convert a kit just to use basic weaponry) you'll need a second box.
I have the Kit and if you are not capable of fitting the plasma-gun as swap. God help you if you ever buy forgeworld models as each one of those require more " hobbiyng" than this did.
Crimson wrote: This plasmagun that is a completely separate piece that you can easily use instead of any bolter? This one?
Do you own the kit? If you did, you'd have the instructions, the instructions that show you how to build each miniature, and which numbered parts fit with other parts.
That plasma gun fits with one set of arms, that fit with one torso. I'm sure you can find a way to make it work with other torsos, but that's not the point. The point is that GW's modern kits have fewer options (and poses) as they need to be built a specific way.
The specific torso in this instance can have the plasma gun, the missile launcher, one one specific bolter. No other torsos take the plasma gun or missile launcher, so, as I said, if you want both (and don't want to have to convert a kit just to use basic weaponry) you'll need a second box.
I own 3 of the kits and not once did I follow their instructions on anything. Did the same for the havocs as well, fitting lascannons on each body.
So either you haven't built any of the kits or your applying generous amounts of hyperbole to your experience.
H.B.M.C. wrote: See you say that, but when the Sisters Repentia were revealed there was one person on GW's facebook that praised GW for not having the Mistress as she would take the Repentia's agency away.
I think you should tell us this story. In this thread. Again. I know you want it. I know you have the screenshots ready somewhere. What's the harm in just one more time?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Do you own the kit? If you did, you'd have the instructions, the instructions that show you how to build each miniature, and which numbered parts fit with other parts.
Chaos + scrupulously following instruction = What sorcery is that?
Crimson wrote: This plasmagun that is a completely separate piece that you can easily use instead of any bolter? This one?
Do you own the kit? If you did, you'd have the instructions, the instructions that show you how to build each miniature, and which numbered parts fit with other parts.
That plasma gun fits with one set of arms, that fit with one torso. I'm sure you can find a way to make it work with other torsos, but that's not the point. The point is that GW's modern kits have fewer options (and poses) as they need to be built a specific way.
The specific torso in this instance can have the plasma gun, the missile launcher, one one specific bolter. No other torsos take the plasma gun or missile launcher, so, as I said, if you want both (and don't want to have to convert a kit just to use basic weaponry) you'll need a second box.
I own 3 of the kits and not once did I follow their instructions on anything. Did the same for the havocs as well, fitting lascannons on each body.
So either you haven't built any of the kits or your applying generous amounts of hyperbole to your experience.
I had the same experience with Custodes and Sisters of Silence.
Ok, things dont go as smooth if you don't follow the instructios but you can nearly built them as you want except with some very specific and "big" pieces.
Don’t remind me of the Custodes instructions. The copy I had (photocopied from BoP I presume, since I purchased the models on eBay right after they came out) didn’t even tell you which arms fit with the fifth spear. I ended up abandoning Custodes because I couldn’t get that one stupid model to work.
Do you know where one could find the art of Paul Daiton?
I don't think Dainton has an official online portfolio, which is a shame. I don't know of any artbooks either. I think he has an Instagram account, but that's mostly for private sketch work.
Crimson wrote: I sometimes wonder how people here manage to even assemble their models... It is unlikely that the corpse is even in the same piece than the leg, and if it is you can just chew it off or do whatever you normally do to get the models off the sprue.
Quite well thank you. But having a ton of extra unnecessary work doesn't help anyone.
Just to ask - where is this idea that the models in the box won't be the "proper" kits coming from? Is it just the idea that previous pre-main-release boxed sets have tended to have bespoke and often less-flexible models in them, or has there been some specific indication?
Because I don't think it's safe to make any assumptions about this box based on previous ones, given how different it is. In fact other than maybe the Cannoness which it's been suggested might be limited to that box and event attendees, I fully expect it to have the full and complete new kits in it - it's a special edition codex with a Start Collecting tacked on for a no doubt extremely premium price("as a reward" lul), not the usual affairs intended to hype interest for a new army(the year of previews has already done that in this case) or to shift a bunch of old stock by bundling them with temporarily-exclusive newshiny models.
Geifer wrote: The aim is to go through religious ritual. A penitent is given the chance to redeem themselves by getting killed in the Emperor's service. The thing the Ecclesiarchy is spending its money on is not an effective war machine and the Ecclesiarchy's concern is not the enemy it is sent against, it's all about saving the heretic. You can't put a price on salvation.
Ok but then make it a T3 HP2/3 model or something.
I expect the engine is a life support machine as well as a walking stockade. The intent is to put the penitent in a very dangerous situation and keep them suffering there. There's probably a ton of coagulents, frenzon and stuff (but no painkillers) pumped through their veins as well as synaptic overrides to keep the nervous system fro shutting down due to shock- and prevent the heart from failing.
Cut them down to just a torso and they'll keep going until the end of the battle. Shoot the neck and sever the head from the body and the machine will keep the head alive long enough for it to kill you in retaliation.
Then they'll hose it down and stick in your best friend who survived the battle and on to attack the nearest concentration of your side.
Crimson wrote: So there is no actual issue then? The multipart kits will indeed most likely let you put the special weapons on any model.
And even on monopose models swapping a bolter and flamer around on duplicate models wouldn't be exactly hard.
Yeah, the original post you replied snarkily to like I didn't know how to convert models for some reason was "I hope the monoposed-with-a-corpse flamer model is only in the box set and not in the final multipart kit"
So yeah, if that will be the case, then there will be no issue, but unfortunately my dog that works at gw didn't tell me about that like yours did.
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Yodhrin wrote: Just to ask - where is this idea that the models in the box won't be the "proper" kits coming from? Is it just the idea that previous pre-main-release boxed sets have tended to have bespoke and often less-flexible models in them, or has there been some specific indication?
Because I don't think it's safe to make any assumptions about this box based on previous ones, given how different it is. In fact other than maybe the Cannoness which it's been suggested might be limited to that box and event attendees, I fully expect it to have the full and complete new kits in it - it's a special edition codex with a Start Collecting tacked on for a no doubt extremely premium price("as a reward" lul), not the usual affairs intended to hype interest for a new army(the year of previews has already done that in this case) or to shift a bunch of old stock by bundling them with temporarily-exclusive newshiny models.
Mostly just a guess based on the fact they did that for Primaris Waves 2 and 1 CSM Deathwatch GSC etc. The initial box comes out monopose with several units having repeated poses, and the final kits are (a little bit) more flexible and come with different weapons. The last time they released new armies without that style of box release was...Harlequins/Admech in early 7th?
The characters will be the final character sprues that eventually come in clampacks, but the units may be a limited pose version of what the troops will eventually be.
It looks like there are multiple repeated poses between the three previewed squads, so I'm leaning towards a easy-to-build or introductory style army set with either the Canoness and/or the Penitent Engine added.
3 battle sisters, 2 repentia and 2 seraphim on a repeated sprue with a separate sprue for 1x sister superior, 1x imagifier, 1x sister superior seraphim,1x mistress of repentance, 1x battle sister with flamer and 1x battle sister with storm bolter.
The penitent engine could be mixed in on the other sprues or a full kit. The canoness has already been confirmed as separate.
Makes sense, but obviously I could just as easily be wrong.
Anyway, excited to see all of this moving forward!
If there is no real Inquisition element to things, I won't be fielding a SoB army, but I'm really happy for everyone who has waited a long time for all of this.
Alpharius wrote: IIf there is no real Inquisition element to things, I won't be fielding a SoB army, but I'm really happy for everyone who has waited a long time for all of this.
There won't be (unfortunately, in a way) because these days GW will write a codex even for the tiniest niche faction, so there's really no reason to have the Inquisition in an Ecclesiarchy codex.
Of course there's also that little problem with the current designers apparently thinking Inquisition has no place in 40k. Something like that might get in the way a little bit, too.
I've been meaning to convert a new Inquisitor for ages, but it's just so damn hard to guess the exact combination of exotic wargear every single Inquisitor in the galaxy will use once GW does get around to giving the Inquisition some love.
I wouldn't object to getting baldy from the Psychic Awakening video. I like her. Well, her look anyway. She's a bit hysterical there. Just because there's this little Chaos incursion going on way over there in the background, hardly in sight of anyone. Kind of points to a lack of faith in the Emperor.
You see that? People like that have no place in a Sisters book. Come on! Lack. Of. Faith. That's just not a good fit.
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