Loyalist eh? Technically speaking Horus only went "Traitor" because Erebus said that The Emperor was planning on killing off the Primarchs, so Horus was only doing what he thought right for his brothers and himself
Actually there was more reasons than just that. When the Emperor left the Great Crusade to return to Terra, Horus was disappointed that He had left the Crusade which kind of opened a hole for the Chaos gods to take advantage of later. Erebus and Kor Phaeron merely made sure Horus turned to Chaos by orchestrating events to work in the Dark Gods favour.
As for Horus "doing what was right for his brothers", that was the Chaos gods puppeteering him into thinking he was doing all that of his own will.
It has just occurred to me that a 3rd of all Primarchs now have models. I don't know why, but it was kind of an odd realisation. Like, something I never thought would happen is already 1/3 finished.
The hand positioning on Vulkan still seems odd to me, unless he's going to be part of a diorama similar to ferrus manus and Fulgrim, in which case it looks like he's shoving someone aside so he can Vulkan Smash someone. I've still got Vulkan Lives sitting, just not into it, but I'm guessing it could be Kurze in a diorama with him.
His hand make sense to me, if you were doing an over head swing with a big heavy hammer you'd naturally putout your hand to give yourself more balance.
Loyalist eh? Technically speaking Horus only went "Traitor" because Erebus said that The Emperor was planning on killing off the Primarchs, so Horus was only doing what he thought right for his brothers and himself
Actually there was more reasons than just that. When the Emperor left the Great Crusade to return to Terra, Horus was disappointed that He had left the Crusade which kind of opened a hole for the Chaos gods to take advantage of later. Erebus and Kor Phaeron merely made sure Horus turned to Chaos by orchestrating events to work in the Dark Gods favour.
As for Horus "doing what was right for his brothers", that was the Chaos gods puppeteering him into thinking he was doing all that of his own will.
From Horus' point of view though, that is why he went traitor. In reality The Emperor went back to Terra to open the webway gate he found there in order to make travel between systems safer
Haighus wrote: It has just occurred to me that a 3rd of all Primarchs now have models. I don't know why, but it was kind of an odd realisation. Like, something I never thought would happen is already 1/3 finished.
1/3 finished? I expect at least half the primarch's to get multiple models. 3 versions of Horus have been mentioned already.
Haighus wrote: It has just occurred to me that a 3rd of all Primarchs now have models. I don't know why, but it was kind of an odd realisation. Like, something I never thought would happen is already 1/3 finished.
1/3 finished? I expect at least half the primarch's to get multiple models. 3 versions of Horus have been mentioned already.
really? three versions? so the warmaster version that's already out, the Luna Wolves Horus, and the Daemon Primarch Horus then?
Haighus wrote: It has just occurred to me that a 3rd of all Primarchs now have models. I don't know why, but it was kind of an odd realisation. Like, something I never thought would happen is already 1/3 finished.
1/3 finished? I expect at least half the primarch's to get multiple models. 3 versions of Horus have been mentioned already.
really? three versions? so the warmaster version that's already out, the Luna Wolves Horus, and the Daemon Primarch Horus then?
The current Horus model portrays him at the end of the Great Crusade/the beginning of the Heresy at Isstvan, so it can either be a traitor or a loyalist. The next Horus is going to be a definitely traitor/semi-chaosified Horus, at some point later in the Heresy, and the final one will be Horus in his final guise as he confronts the Emperor.
sonofruss wrote: Horus was never a possessed Deamon as he excepted all 4 major gods he received gifts from them all. He did go full evil from the corruption though.
he technically did go full daemon as he pretty much used the full force of chaos to permanently cripple the Emperor, but's a technicality a suppose as he didn't take a daemon form. still i was honestly hoping for a full Luna Wolves Horus though...oh well one can dream i suppose
I suspect the Imperial Army will still be using lasguns, anyway. I believe Forgeworld has said before they only plan to make models for the special units of the Imperial Army, leaving you to use the current range of Imperial Guard models for the IA troops. And, as the current IG models have lasguns, I would assume the IA will have lasguns.
Zuul wrote: I guess this means the fluff about imperial army being primarily equipped with autoguns is now bunk.
The Solar Aux. is a void fighting force so maybe a Lasgun makes more sense than a solid slug weapon in a vacuum/pressurised environment.
In a zero G environment, certainly, but not really much advantage just for vacuum/pressurized. The propellent powder used in modern guns would still function in a vacuum.
Zuul wrote: I guess this means the fluff about imperial army being primarily equipped with autoguns is now bunk.
The Solar Aux. is a void fighting force so maybe a Lasgun makes more sense than a solid slug weapon in a vacuum/pressurised environment.
In a zero G environment, certainly, but not really much advantage just for vacuum/pressurized. The propellent powder used in modern guns would still function in a vacuum.
Not really that. Newton's 3rd law is the issue, the recoil could send you tumbling or direct one off course during a void firefights, which is why in Ender's Game the pistols they used would need not have any recoil.
Zuul wrote: I guess this means the fluff about imperial army being primarily equipped with autoguns is now bunk.
The Solar Aux. is a void fighting force so maybe a Lasgun makes more sense than a solid slug weapon in a vacuum/pressurised environment.
In a zero G environment, certainly, but not really much advantage just for vacuum/pressurized. The propellent powder used in modern guns would still function in a vacuum.
Not really that. Newton's 3rd law is the issue, the recoil could send you tumbling or direct one off course during a void firefights, which is why in Ender's Game the pistols they used would need not have any recoil.
That would be why I said that in a zero G environment, las would make more sense.
sonofruss wrote: Horus was never a possessed Deamon as he excepted all 4 major gods he received gifts from them all. He did go full evil from the corruption though.
he technically did go full daemon as he pretty much used the full force of chaos to permanently cripple the Emperor, but's a technicality a suppose as he didn't take a daemon form. still i was honestly hoping for a full Luna Wolves Horus though...oh well one can dream i suppose
THIS is the full Luna Wolves Horus.
And NO, he did NOT "technically" go full daemon. Daemons are born/created/whatever in the warp, Horus was not. Furthermore, Horus was never possessed by a Daemon. The 4 Warp "Gods" granted him powers. That does not technically make him a Daemon.
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sonofruss wrote: Horus was never a possessed Deamon as he excepted all 4 major gods he received gifts from them all. He did go full evil from the corruption though.
he technically did go full daemon as he pretty much used the full force of chaos to permanently cripple the Emperor, but's a technicality a suppose as he didn't take a daemon form. still i was honestly hoping for a full Luna Wolves Horus though...oh well one can dream i suppose
THIS is the full Luna Wolves Horus.
And NO, he did NOT "technically" go full daemon. Daemons are born/created/whatever in the warp, Horus was not. Furthermore, Horus was never possessed by a Daemon. The 4 Warp "Gods" granted him powers. That does not technically make him a Daemon.
Technically no it is not the full Luna Wolves Horus, that'd be the Warmaster Horus. Luna Wolves Horus didn't have the Talon yet, might have had Worldbreaker but not the Talon. If i recall correctly he had some super bolter in place of the Talon. So i will wait for Forgeworld to go back and do the Great Crusade i guess, but it'd still be nice to see him how he once was
some notes from the Hh weekender, thanks to Mr. Shaggy from The Bolthole forum
The first seminar of the second day, and quite possibly the most eagerly-awaited… a preview of FW book 4…
“Conquest”
Tony Cottrell, Alan Bligh, Andy Hoare
TC: Quick overview of what will be in the 4th book of the Forge World series of books about the Horus Heresy. It will feature:-
Battles of the Cyclops Cluster “aha – nobody’s heard of that” (year 7)
Siege of Mezoa (year 8) “nobody’s heard of that one either”.
Conquest of Manachea (year 8)
Defence of Agathon (year 9)
Will feature the Sons Of Horus (“because Horus spent the first 2 years of the Heresy sitting in his chair being grumpy”), Death Guard & Mortarion, Iron Hands, Salamanders (a very few), a few Imperial Fists (sponsored by JCB)… Mechanicum (AB: Good and bad), Solar Auxilia (first time we get to see details of these – feature quite heavily), Knights, Titan Legions.
AB: “Conquest” will primarily be featuring several battles that aren’t going to be seen in the novels - the story follows on from Isstvan 5, war spreading out from there, sort of an epilogue to the Isstvan trilogy. Imperium been left utterly reeling from Dropsite Massacre, no cogent resistance to Horus, and warpstorms have carved up a lot of Imperium, stopping travel. “What Horus Did On His Summer Holidays”. Fits between I5 and “Vengeful Spirit”. Horus is consolidating power base, taking resources, worlds, recruiting bases now he knows he’s in for a long war – acting like the warlord he is. Uses his legion & Death Guard to cut swathe through northern Imperium, top section of Segmentum Ultima (up near the Halo Stars? No, Ghoul Stars). There is no real loyalist Space Marine resistance – Horus demands total submission, every world. Make bloody lesson of anyone who doesn’t bend the knee – attacks forge worlds, ordinary worlds, Navy bases – this is their time – the real nightmare unfolds, the greatest weapon the Imperium has ever made – the Space Marine legions – turning on not just the other legions but the Imperium itself. Defenders turn into destroyers. Death Guard unleashed to do to mankind what they’ve done to so many alien races – murder worlds. All worlds have 2 choices – submit to Horus & all his demands unconditionally or die. This is story of the scythe blade cutting into body of Imperium – about who will stand against it (or try to) and who will fall. Mainly about actual defenders of Imperium who aren’t Space Marines – mainly Solar Auxilia. Swept up in this are forge worlds on both sides, including Cyclotrase (spelling?) – if you’ve never heard of it, that’s because by M41 it’s been purged from all records. Was doing dark & terrible things long before HH – joins Warmaster – darkness unleashed. Against them are the Mechanicum of Mezoa who will not submit. Knight Houses on either side swept up in conflict. This is campaign set on many worlds, not one. Intended to present gamers with massive Heresy ‘toolbox’ to allow you to pick any part of Imperium and set up a conflict in it involving SM legions & other defenders etc.
AH: It’s a massive campaign area, much of northern Imperium – campaign rules etc will reflect this, allow gamers a lot of scope. Will have lots of extra rules (the ‘toolkit’) – warzone traits (raid, cityfight, etc) character development, terrain rules (irradiated post-apocalyptic wastes, etc) character survival rules, ways to improve characters as you go along, extra level of Warlord traits on strategic level to allow you to influence how campaign itself is played out. Lots of other bits… relic weapons that various legions (loyalists and traitors) can take, massive toolbox for this campaign and others.
TC: <starts showing screenshots of some pages from “Conquest” – artwork, pictures of legionaries, etc) - Sons of Horus are going to look ‘spikier’ as time goes on.
Solar Auxilia – will be a few different schemes for these.
AB: Army list stuff… full & robust Solar Auxilia army list, including Warlord traits and special characters, Heresy-era list for Questorus Knights which will work slightly different to 40K counterpart – Knights detached from households to go on Great Crusade. Rules for Shattered Legions warbands (mixed remnants of loyalists banding together) – at this stage, Horus has won so far but not a clean sweep. A lot more characters than seen in BL books, eg: Autek Moor & Red Talon… something buried on I5 that isn’t Vulkan which might be coming back – no, it’s not Ferrus, not undead Ferrus (TC: we have to say, Ferrus is DEAD… AB: they did kibosh my idea for an undead mechanical Ferrus… TC: no, not his twin brother either)… some interesting surprises.
QFA: Will there be a book on the Shadow Crusade, Ultramarines vs World Eaters & Word Bearers? TC: We have some plans… not sure yet exactly what we’ll do after this book, but getting Calth & Shadow Crusade covered fairly soon would make sense… not covered in Bk4, and will likely need at least 2 books to properly cover it – Calth, Armatura, Underworld War (TC: I keep saying ‘Underwear War’… “give my pants back you horrible Word Bearer!”).
QFA: Covering Mechanicum & Dark Mechanicum… for Dark Mech will you basically be taking default army list from BK3 and then adding bits to it like the legions? AB: Yes, something like that. Dark Mech won’t get a separate army list any time soon because they’re still mainly using the same kit as the loyalist Mechanicum just with some different kinds of attachments – not at stage of using daemon engines yet. TC: Done the basic army list so far… troops, transports, robots, Knights etc… what we haven’t seen yet are any Ordinatus or other big crazy machines – will eventually get round to those… some will be fairly big, some will be very big.
QFA: Re earlier mention of coming back to primarchs with newer rules… are we going to see new rules etc for those who have descended to a more ‘chaosy’ state? AB: Won’t be seeing any transformative rules for primarchs in Bk4 – it’s not that far along – but chaos primarchs as they go along will get influenced by Chaos – will need new models (giant snake man!) & different rules. Over time will definitely change… will probably do more than 2 versions of Horus.
QFA: Will there be new units for Sons Of Horus & Death Guard in new book? AB: In terms of units with models, not immediately… might do some more stuff later, but this will be more about new styles of fighting, rites of war, new configurations & characters, Legion relics – in 40K there are relics of the Heresy, little-understood lost bits of technology… in the Heresy there are relics of the Dark Age of Technology – far more dangerous. AH: Thing with the relics – will be themed to the character & history of each individual legion – and won’t be just for the legions covered so far, so Space Wolves, White Scars etc.
APOLOGIES! - I'm totally knackered, and barely halfway through the notes for this seminar... so posting the first part tonight, and will hopefully get the second part done tomorrow evening. At least gives you part of it to chew on...
Do we really need a whole book on how evil and nasty the evil and nasty Legions are?
Well, by the looks of it, the book is going to focus mainly on the points where said Legions happen to come across more significant resistance, like pockets of loyalist Marines and the Solar Auxillia. The post above gave me the impression that it doesn't all go the Traitors' way at his point.
The Primarchs can't be everywhere afterall- smaller fleets of Traitors would be easier to hold back for determined and well-resourced worlds.
Do we really need a whole book on how evil and nasty the evil and nasty Legions are?
Agreed... other than the solar auxila it doesn't list anything that hasn't been covered before to some degree.
I think the main point of this book is to create a Campaign system for generic "Battles of the Heresy", for all the isolated wars and fights across the Galaxy, rather than focussing on any one big event.
Do we really need a whole book on how evil and nasty the evil and nasty Legions are?
Agreed... other than the solar auxila it doesn't list anything that hasn't been covered before to some degree.
I think the main point of this book is to create a Campaign system for generic "Battles of the Heresy", for all the isolated wars and fights across the Galaxy, rather than focussing on any one big event.
So the legions so far completely untouched by FW didn't participate in any isolated fights and wars across the galaxy during the Heresy? My point is that those players will be waiting likely 1-3 years before getting covered and FW is basically recovering the units that they just covered instead. I just don't think that is a good idea but YMMV.
There was so much packed into the Weekender that one bulletin could hardly do it justice. If you missed it, make sure you take a look at last week's bulletin. Here’s a few more of my favourite moments...
Our awesome new hoodies, t-shirts, bags and Event Only models proved incredibly popular,
as well as Mortarion, Primarch of the Death Guard!
The tables in the gaming hall were full all weekend as the events of
the Conquest of Manachea campaign unfolded.
There were more new Horus Heresy models revealed than I can possibly fit into the space I’m allowed for the Forge World Bulletin, many of them still in their early stages of design. I wanted to show you just one more of my favourites, though, that are being worked on right now, the warp-twisted Gal Vorbak of the Word Bearers Legion.
Those who attended the event were lucky enough to get the first look at the notorious Gal Vorbak.
There were some fantastic entries to our painting competition, more of which you can see here, but there could only be one winner. Collecting the Forge World Painting award this year was Drake Seta, with his expertly painted Sicaran Battle Tank.
Drake Seta’s winning Sicaran Battle Tank
If you missed out on The Horus Heresy Weekender Forge World will be attending the 40K Open Day at Warhammer World on July 20th 2014. If you would like to join us for this event, tickets can be purchased here. Don’t leave it too late, get yours as soon as you can.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
Do we really need a whole book on how evil and nasty the evil and nasty Legions are?
Agreed... other than the solar auxila it doesn't list anything that hasn't been covered before to some degree.
I think the main point of this book is to create a Campaign system for generic "Battles of the Heresy", for all the isolated wars and fights across the Galaxy, rather than focussing on any one big event.
So the legions so far completely untouched by FW didn't participate in any isolated fights and wars across the galaxy during the Heresy? My point is that those players will be waiting likely 1-3 years before getting covered and FW is basically recovering the units that they just covered instead. I just don't think that is a good idea but YMMV.
The next couple books cover this portion of the war and I could see them using the multiple books to build upto the full involvement of the remaining marine legions, with the full involvement coming towards the end of this portion of the war.
Remember it's only been 7 years in the timeline in a setting where it can take decades to get from one place to another, it can take as much time to send a message, in a setting where some wars have waged for centuries. 7 years in isn't that much time. Would it be "super great" if FW got to the other legions' involvement?-yes, but this whole thing is meant to be more (sci-fi) historical by nature... Imagine a WWI game setting and being frustrated that America isn't involved sooner. I give them credit for sticking to their guns and continuing the historic approach.
I agree on the intent of this book is to build the campaign rules more, this will make the book essential for playing 30k games long after FW has completed the HH series.
The other thing I think is important is this book gives FW the time to catch up on some of units and characters that still need models and the time to get started on these ordinatus and larger weapons that were mentioned as coming later. Maybe from one perspective it's causing this book to suffer, but I think this book will make the set stronger.
The next couple books cover this portion of the war and I could see them using the multiple books to build upto the full involvement of the remaining marine legions, with the full involvement coming towards the end of this portion of the war.
Remember it's only been 7 years in the timeline in a setting where it can take decades to get from one place to another, it can take as much time to send a message, in a setting where some wars have waged for centuries. 7 years in isn't that much time. Would it be "super great" if FW got to the other legions' involvement?-yes, but this whole thing is meant to be more (sci-fi) historical by nature... Imagine a WWI game setting and being frustrated that America isn't involved sooner. I give them credit for sticking to their guns and continuing the historic approach.
I agree on the intent of this book is to build the campaign rules more, this will make the book essential for playing 30k games long after FW has completed the HH series.
The other thing I think is important is this book gives FW the time to catch up on some of units and characters that still need models and the time to get started on these ordinatus and larger weapons that were mentioned as coming later. Maybe from one perspective it's causing this book to suffer, but I think this book will make the set stronger.
I think this is the point; make a good generic Heresy-era campaign book (think about how utilitarian the campaign in the Badab War is, for instance), and more importantly, catch up on models.
There's still characters from Book 1 without models, and the Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists and Alpha Legion don't have a single model yet.
The campaign rules are the most exciting thing for me. As time goes on, I can see them expanding the character building aspect to both loyalist and traitor. If that happens, then I hope we start heading towards realm of chaos esque rules for chaos champions. That would be really exciting!
wow, those Alpha Legion Rhino bits are sexy...
very nice, after the less than stellar shoulder pads in the last preview...
i've yet to paint an Alpha Legion Marine, but i daydream about how to create the awesome purple-blue-green fade, and some cool subtle scales, on the armor...
i am loving all the 30K minis, and the books are amazing...
Book 4 is like, the Filler book. From what I can tell, it logically makes sense that it happens, but it's the kinda thing most people would just skip over so they can get to the major climax battles instead of all those battles that took place in-between.
(TC: we have to say, Ferrus is DEAD… AB: they did kibosh my idea for an undead mechanical Ferrus… TC: no, not his twin brother either)
The Cerastus Knight-Lancer is a first strike weapon, attuned to rapid assault tactics and lethal outflanking charges against a foe. It is justly renowned for its speed and its power, as well as for the temperamental and restive nature of the machine-spirits which dwell as anima within its colossal frame.
Because of this reputation, the most impetuous and glory-hungry of the Knight Households are driven to bond with these war machines, their own souls a match for the fury caged within their mounts. The greatest of these pairings will go on to create martial legends among their lineage, while for those whose temper cannot fully master that of their Knight-engine or whose own lust for glory might see valour outweigh caution on the battlefield, their triumphs are likely to blaze brightly, if briefly, in the chronicles of their Households.
The Cerastus Knight-Lancer is a complete multi-part resin kit, designed by Daren Parrwood. The rules for the Cerastus Knight-Lancer can be found in The Horus Heresy Book Three - Extermination. Rules for using the Knight-Lancer in games of Warhammer 40,000 can be found here.
You can also see Daren talking about the making of the Knight-Lancer on our visual feed.
"We are all but a weapon in the right hand of the Emperor"
Exhortationes Principiis
Titannorum, Divisio Militaris
I really enjoyed it, and the finished article is something I rank amongst my best work.
Yesterday, I completed an order for another two, because I have some really good idea for paint schemes, and that would allow me to actually field them as an army once in a while.
FW today release provisional rules for this Knight in 40K.
I have begun budgeting to purchase one in the next couple of months.
I think "It's nice, but not <value> <currency of choice> nice" can be applied to every FW modell in existence. Except for the contemptor chainfist they did recently. That one sucked.
The Cerastus Knight's rules are quite nice. Striking at I5 with a D weapon lance is pretty mean and I would love to pair one with an Errant to charge into enemy ranks, but I have no interest in dealing with the potential modeling issues an all resin Knight could generate. Forget the price, the potential warpage on all those resin parts sends a cold shiver down my spine.
My Spartan was incredibly easy to assemble. It's lots of big, solid pieces of resin, so not much can actually warp. The side of the tank is almost one solid piece apart from the door, sponson, and a little trim piece at the top.. The tracks come in strips, and they were the only real problem I had in making sure they lined up perfectly while gluing them.
The chapter specific Land Raider doors are compatible with it, too.
Tannhauser42 wrote: My Spartan was incredibly easy to assemble. It's lots of big, solid pieces of resin, so not much can actually warp. The side of the tank is almost one solid piece apart from the door, sponson, and a little trim piece at the top.. The tracks come in strips, and they were the only real problem I had in making sure they lined up perfectly while gluing them.
The chapter specific Land Raider doors are compatible with it, too.
It looked nice and bulky but it's good to know for sure.
I want one, too. But, there are so many other things ahead of it on my "to-buy" list, I won't be getting one anytime soon. Must finish my Emperor's Children Legion first, followed by my Kromlech Ork army.
Not bad, from what I've heard. The reason the kit has a bad reputation isn't warping, it's poor fit issues, especially with the tracks. They're a continuous loop and completely exposed, so if any of the parts are taken out of the mold too soon and allowed to shrink while cooling it can leave a visible gap between track sections when you try and fail to close the loop. It's just a questionable design decision that makes slight size problems that would otherwise be almost impossible to see into a major problem. The Malcador has a similar design, and mine was an absolute nightmare to put together. No matter how I tried to get the tracks over the wheels there was about a half track-length gap that I eventually had to fix by leaving a smaller (but still visible and annoying) gap between every section.
The tracks on the Spartan are shaped a bit like a T, and because the upright bit of the T is too short the kit requires you to put the upright only partially into the U shaped section the tracks fit into, otherwise they end up too short if you push them all the way in. You have to do a lot of dry fitting to get the right amount of depth otherwise the tracks are too short or too long. I used bits of sprue to help get a consistent depth while the glue set.
Ordered my Lancer, yes its expensive but it isn't that much smaller than a warhound that costs a lot more and at that point level I will certainly use it more than my Titans. Mine will be converted to Chaos like my other Knights.
At least FW fixed the track fit problem with the Sicaran and just molded the tracks on directly, makin one big solid piece. I loved my Sicaran compared to my Armored Proteus.
In the few spare moments I had last week between taking your orders for the new Primarch, Mortarion,and preparing to go to the UK Games Expo, I spotted this in the Forge World Studio, recently shown at the Horus Heresy Weekender. This venerable war machine of the Salamanders Legion has been crafted from Will Hayes' original Contemptor pattern Dreadnought, with new iconography and detail by Israel Gonzalez. I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on this imposing walker and painting him for my Salamanders army.
The Salamanders Legion Dreadnought has some awesome iconography.
Of course this isn’t the only Contemptor pattern Dreadnought in the Forge World Studio. Mark Bedford has been building up a spectacular collection of these devastating engines of war for several different Legions, including the Blood Angels and the Iron Hands.
Contemptor pattern Dreadnoughts from the Iron Hands and the Blood Angels Legions.
Over the last few weeks, Forge World has ventured out to both the MCM London Comic Con and the UK Games Expo in Birmingham. It’s obvious that you’re all really impressed by the Event Only models and merchandise we bring with us. If you've missed getting yourself a t-shirt or hoodie, make sure you're at our next event - the
Warhammer 40,000 Open Day at Warhammer World on Sunday 20th July.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
Having decided, in the last few weeks, that I will do a 30k army other than Thousand Sons (when they finally come out), and that it'll be Salamanders, I like this news.
I guess GW/FW sold at least two of those chainfists .........or did he get them for free because he's in studio and they need them painted and displayed .
Glad I picked up the Legion Astartes Gamers Collection before I started buying models. Would have sucked if I'd gotten drop pods for the Salamanders that I'm planning on using.
Although, I guess I could have used them elsewhere, since the Alpha Legion list looks neat, and I'm getting tempted.
shade1313 wrote: Glad I picked up the Legion Astartes Gamers Collection before I started buying models. Would have sucked if I'd gotten drop pods for the Salamanders that I'm planning on using.
Although, I guess I could have used them elsewhere, since the Alpha Legion list looks neat, and I'm getting tempted.
You can take a Rite of War that allows drop pods for everyone that can take Rhinos as DTs and can give them to Dreadnoughts, too.
shade1313 wrote: Glad I picked up the Legion Astartes Gamers Collection before I started buying models. Would have sucked if I'd gotten drop pods for the Salamanders that I'm planning on using.
Although, I guess I could have used them elsewhere, since the Alpha Legion list looks neat, and I'm getting tempted.
You can take a Rite of War that allows drop pods for everyone that can take Rhinos as DTs and can give them to Dreadnoughts, too.
Yeah, I could just use one of the generic Rites of War, but... Ah, heck, I don't know.
I'm digging the Alpha Legion's RoW, though, provided I'm understanding The Rewards of Treason correctly. I can make use of the other Legions' special units that I like the models for? Heck yeah!
shade1313 wrote: Glad I picked up the Legion Astartes Gamers Collection before I started buying models. Would have sucked if I'd gotten drop pods for the Salamanders that I'm planning on using.
Although, I guess I could have used them elsewhere, since the Alpha Legion list looks neat, and I'm getting tempted.
Yeah salamanders weren't a drop pod force back then so good thing you got the rules first. Most SM armies were all about overwhelming frontal assaults, its only when they got split up into 1000 man chapters did they really become pure strike force and surgical armies.
In the time I’ve been at Forge World, I haven’t been as excited about anything as I have the Cerastus Knight-Lancer. It’s an imposing model that embodies the power and speed of this mighty engine of war on the battlefield. You’ve seen plenty of pictures of the Cerastus in this bulletin and you can get your hands on your very own right now, but we’re not finished with Imperial Knights just yet. There’ll be more coming to fill out our knightly stable and here’s the first…
A new Knight joining our Household soon.
The Warhammer 40,000 Open Day is closing in on us, and is on Sunday 20th July at Warhammer World. Forge World will be there, of course, with a full Sales stand and some exciting new products available for the first time on the day. Keep your eye on this bulletin for more details.
As at all of our events we’ll have our Event Only models there for you to buy, including the fantastic Imperial Navigator.
The Imperial Navigator.
The Navigator has been incredibly popular since we unveiled him at the Horus Heresy Weekender, and rules were produced so he could take part in the Conquest of Manachea campaign. If you've picked up a Navigator at one of our events, you can add his unnatural powers to your Age of Darkness army as his rules are now available to download – just follow this link.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
The Navigator's insta-death beam seems pretty crazy.
I hope the Knight stuff sells well enough FW does more. With Lords of War being made a bit more common place in the new rules, the Lancer makes for a better fitting inclusion than some other options.
So, that new Knight is obviously rocking a flame weapon.
What do we reckon, torrent, hell storm S6 Ap3?
TBH IK need an anti air option of their own, every variant can handle crowd control to some degree, but to stand as their own faction, they really need some AA options.
I think they had this long thing posted somewhere on how they started out trying to make upgrades to the plastic kit but abandoned that path because they ran into a crapload of unforseen problems. Weight and overbalancing issues being a big one appearantly since the plastic kit is something of a lightweight. If I recall correctly they where going to revisit resin upgrades for the plastic knight once they got the Cerastus-pattern category and the Warden-types (again, completely different chassis = full resin model) finished for production so it is probably quite a few months out.
I really like this other Cerastus-pattern knight, it looks like it has the same flamer as the Malcador Infernus, and the Inferno Gun is quite nasty. (Hellstrom, s7 ap3, heav1 primary) so it can be quite deadly to most things that comes too close, especially in dense terrain or if there is a lot of fortifications. the Hellstrom template is oh so useful for flushing fortifications clear of infantry.
The one who will be comming along after this one looks cooler though, it's hard to compete with a dual-gatling boltcannon when it comes to looks.
The "double chainsword" is a chainfist according to them.
I just wish there was some way to know how it'll fit into a Knight army. If they have 3 different lancers, and eventually Baron and warden, castellan, crusader but all count as Lords of War it'll mean we're forced into apocalypse or 30k games to get the full rightful list of units we should have.
I think the show season was pushing them a little bit to have some sweet pre-release for each one. Now that it is mostly over they can resume normal speed.
Ugh, that arm. It is bad even for someone who just learned converting!
That being said, *most* of what FW produces is excellent, and can even be cheaper on the bizarre occasion. Take the FW Big Gunz:
Individually, they're $17 cheaper than the new Mekgunz. I mean, yes, they don't include the extra bits, but I'd say the model quality is stellar and if you can get them for 50% less than the GW variant? Hoo-boy
STC_LogisEngine wrote: I think they had this long thing posted somewhere on how they started out trying to make upgrades to the plastic kit but abandoned that path because they ran into a crapload of unforseen problems. Weight and overbalancing issues being a big one appearantly since the plastic kit is something of a lightweight. If I recall correctly they where going to revisit resin upgrades for the plastic knight once they got the Cerastus-pattern category and the Warden-types (again, completely different chassis = full resin model) finished for production so it is probably quite a few months out.
I really like this other Cerastus-pattern knight, it looks like it has the same flamer as the Malcador Infernus, and the Inferno Gun is quite nasty. (Hellstrom, s7 ap3, heav1 primary) so it can be quite deadly to most things that comes too close, especially in dense terrain or if there is a lot of fortifications. the Hellstrom template is oh so useful for flushing fortifications clear of infantry.
The one who will be comming along after this one looks cooler though, it's hard to compete with a dual-gatling boltcannon when it comes to looks.
If that's what FW actually said, what a load of nonsense. For a plastic kit the Knight is hefty, and when fixed to the base either with glue or magnets it's extremely stable; its height and the base's width are pretty much equivalent, you would have to work hard to pose it in a way that it would be unstable. The FW Knight, by contrast, uses the same base as the plastic Knight, but is substantially taller and, being resin, probably noticeably more top-heavy as well. If FW really are delaying making upgrades for the plastic kit, it has knob-all to do with "unforseen problems" and everything to do with wanting to sell lots of Cerastus-pattern chassis to people. I'd say sod-it and just buy Cerastus arms to convert the plastic Knight, but if the objective is to sell the resin chassis they may end up offering different sub-patterns of Cerastus as whole kits rather than selling the arms separately. We'll have to see.
If that's what FW actually said, what a load of nonsense. For a plastic kit the Knight is hefty, and when fixed to the base either with glue or magnets it's extremely stable; its height and the base's width are pretty much equivalent, you would have to work hard to pose it in a way that it would be unstable. The FW Knight, by contrast, uses the same base as the plastic Knight, but is substantially taller and, being resin, probably noticeably more top-heavy as well. If FW really are delaying making upgrades for the plastic kit, it has knob-all to do with "unforseen problems" and everything to do with wanting to sell lots of Cerastus-pattern chassis to people. I'd say sod-it and just buy Cerastus arms to convert the plastic Knight, but if the objective is to sell the resin chassis they may end up offering different sub-patterns of Cerastus as whole kits rather than selling the arms separately. We'll have to see.
I assume when FW they realse new options for the plastic knights, will be give diffrent weapon options and rules then what the Cerastus pattrens can take. The Cerastus pattren arms also look larger then the weapon arms that the plastic knight use.
Thow on the other hand, the Cerastus pattren is so large, it's bassicly the same size as the deamforge 28mm leviathan. The Cerastus rules/scale of modle we be a bunch better fit then the warhound rules people keep wanting to shoe horn it with. Once we get better scale shots of the Cerastus I'm tempted to use the Leviathan Mortis for my tratior house.
XD
edit: bassicly the exact same height, just fatter.
Actually, besides the chainfist and the Alpha Legion shoulder pads which are really sub-par with any other in their range, I know no other bad example of FW models. That's two in a range that spans 30k, tons of 40k and lots of fantasy too.
(Apologies is this is old news, but it was news to me!)
Now hurry up Black Library!
BL will continue it's slide into GW-ness, whereas Forge World will (excuse the pun) forge ahead to the world where adults run companies like companies that understand their audience.
Hell, the inconvenience of them not accepting PayPal has been one of the biggest reasons why I often ended up not ordering anything after browsing the website.
(Apologies is this is old news, but it was news to me!)
Now hurry up Black Library!
It's fully live now? A few weeks back, I saw that, and used it...turned out they were just still experimenting with it, and someone had accidentally left it visible and clickable when I was checking out...I had to phone them up to get my stuff, since it only half worked at the time.
It IS nice, for me, since my debit card company freaks out and shuts down bigger transactions to overseas companies. Paypal gets me around that annoyance.
Shame they didn't look at their postage pricing. That's still a killer and puts me off ordering FW most of the time. Shame really, because if they reduced the postage price and flat rated it instead of charging a percentage or even, god forbid, make it free at a lower level than it currently is I reckon they'd pull in more. Anecdotally, I heard that the free postage offer over Christmas was popular...
While I'll let them off for today because of the PayPal announcement, someone really ought to tell FW that "News Flash" really needs to be more than "here's some things we sell." I'm always keen to see the new stuff that comes out, and an email telling me about stuff I already know masquerading as news isn't really that interesting!
Shame they didn't look at their postage pricing. That's still a killer and puts me off ordering FW most of the time. Shame really, because if they reduced the postage price and flat rated it instead of charging a percentage or even, god forbid, make it free at a lower level than it currently is I reckon they'd pull in more. Anecdotally, I heard that the free postage offer over Christmas was popular...
Amen brother! It's worse with a model like the new knight, a premium model you are being penalized for through the postage.
Come on FW we are all waiting on your postage prices to get into the 21st century! Are you sending the models by personal courier?? Are we paying for a night at the ritz for the courier on his journey with a free bar?!
I would hope they lower the threshold for free shipping, may be £50 for UK and £100 for rest of world? Not sure how they handle rest of world shipping but in the UK all of my orders come via UPS who in the UK are quite expensive compared to everybody else.
I can understand the fuss the US is making over paypal now being accepted as ordering from FW for them with a credit card was a pain, but most of my UK friends are making out FW now accepting paypal is a major improvement, is it really that hard to get your card out of your pocket?!?
Has anybody who has been to the recent events like the weekender found out when the new smaller Titans are coming out? I would expect it to be after the new Knight variants are released but I'm after something more concrete if we have it.
Knockagh wrote: Come on FW we are all waiting on your postage prices to get into the 21st century! Are you sending the models by personal courier?? Are we paying for a night at the ritz for the courier on his journey with a free bar?!
Nope, all of you in the UK are just paying inflated shipping rates to subsidize my orders from the US. International shipping is expensive, so thanks for helping to keep my costs down.
Looky Likey wrote: I would hope they lower the threshold for free shipping, may be £50 for UK and £100 for rest of world? Not sure how they handle rest of world shipping but in the UK all of my orders come via UPS who in the UK are quite expensive compared to everybody else.
I can understand the fuss the US is making over paypal now being accepted as ordering from FW for them with a credit card was a pain, but most of my UK friends are making out FW now accepting paypal is a major improvement, is it really that hard to get your card out of your pocket?!?
Has anybody who has been to the recent events like the weekender found out when the new smaller Titans are coming out? I would expect it to be after the new Knight variants are released but I'm after something more concrete if we have it.
I guess you didn't read about how, for whatever reason, many US Banks block transactions with Forge World and make you jump through some really annoying hoops to clear your card for use?
Being able to use PayPal makes all of those headaches go away.
But thanks for reaching for the oh so original "Lazy Americans" card.
Looky Likey wrote: I would hope they lower the threshold for free shipping, may be £50 for UK and £100 for rest of world? Not sure how they handle rest of world shipping but in the UK all of my orders come via UPS who in the UK are quite expensive compared to everybody else.
I can understand the fuss the US is making over paypal now being accepted as ordering from FW for them with a credit card was a pain, but most of my UK friends are making out FW now accepting paypal is a major improvement, is it really that hard to get your card out of your pocket?!?
Has anybody who has been to the recent events like the weekender found out when the new smaller Titans are coming out? I would expect it to be after the new Knight variants are released but I'm after something more concrete if we have it.
I guess you didn't read about how, for whatever reason, many US Banks block transactions with Forge World and make you jump through some really annoying hoops to clear your card for use?
Being able to use PayPal makes all of those headaches go away.
But thanks for reaching for the oh so original "Lazy Americans" card.
He specifically highlighted he understood why Americans found this new way useful, noting that it was hard for americans to purchase previously.
The lazy part was an anecdotal comment about his UK friends preferring paypal to taking their cards out on forgeworld website.
azreal13 wrote: While I'll let them off for today because of the PayPal announcement, someone really ought to tell FW that "News Flash" really needs to be more than "here's some things we sell." I'm always keen to see the new stuff that comes out, and an email telling me about stuff I already know masquerading as news isn't really that interesting!
I'd really love it if FW would stop sending me messages to tell me that they have updated their blog and literally nothing else. Seriously, are they desperate for views on their site or something?
Alpharius wrote: I guess you didn't read about how, for whatever reason, many US Banks block transactions with Forge World and make you jump through some really annoying hoops to clear your card for use?
Wow really? I didn't know that. Why do they do that?
Alpharius wrote: I guess you didn't read about how, for whatever reason, many US Banks block transactions with Forge World and make you jump through some really annoying hoops to clear your card for use?
Wow really? I didn't know that. Why do they do that?
Because a lot of the really significant credit card fraud happening here in the US ends up being UK based purchases and the price of the items makes it look like a fraudulent purchase attempt.
I usually would call my bank before I made the purchase and there would be no issues.
Alpharius wrote: I guess you didn't read about how, for whatever reason, many US Banks block transactions with Forge World and make you jump through some really annoying hoops to clear your card for use?
Wow really? I didn't know that. Why do they do that?
Dunno. My Visa (actual credit card) works on their website, but I cannot get my mastercard (debit card) to work on their site, despite rather irate phone calls to the mastercard people.
Alpharius wrote: I guess you didn't read about how, for whatever reason, many US Banks block transactions with Forge World and make you jump through some really annoying hoops to clear your card for use?
Wow really? I didn't know that. Why do they do that?
Dunno. My Visa (actual credit card) works on their website, but I cannot get my mastercard (debit card) to work on their site, despite rather irate phone calls to the mastercard people.
PayPal is much better for me.
This. I literally gave up on Forgeworld purchasing after my bank and forgeworld both finger pointing at the other and nothing being able to get resolved. I just participated in group orders or bought stuff at Adepticon.
Alpharius wrote: I guess you didn't read about how, for whatever reason, many US Banks block transactions with Forge World and make you jump through some really annoying hoops to clear your card for use?
Wow really? I didn't know that. Why do they do that?
I don't know why but it really pisses me off. When FW dropped Aeronautica Imperialis I was living in the USA and I rapidly added an entire Imperial squadron and an entire Eldar squadron to my cart and went to pay for it, rejected and my card got cancelled. Not only was it a pain in the arse getting my card cleared so I could use it for day to day things again, but I missed out on the models. I still don't have an Imperial squadron and the ebay prices make me very sad If anyone is selling an Imperial Navy squadron, let me know!
I think they are new torso's they don't seem to match up to the available torso's.
I'm not too clued up on this but when did the World Eaters start adorning their helms in such a fashion? Was it after the Heresy had broken out as Khornes influence becomes more apparent?
Not a fan of much this week. Detail looks soft in a lot of the resin pics. Aesthetically it's all a bit meh. Would rather they spent time on other things to be honest.
The world eater helmets harken back tithe early days of the crusade right after Angron was found and before he got his axes. When his weapons would break under the stress he would grab the nearest world eater and hurl them at the opponents. Tired of seeing them miss their mark he ordered the techmarines to fix the problem. That's why the "lawn dart" model was created and only used by the world eaters.
Theophony wrote: The world eater helmets harken back tithe early days of the crusade right after Angron was found and before he got his axes. When his weapons would break under the stress he would grab the nearest world eater and hurl them at the opponents. Tired of seeing them miss their mark he ordered the techmarines to fix the problem. That's why the "lawn dart" model was created and only used by the world eaters.
Theophony wrote: The world eater helmets harken back tithe early days of the crusade right after Angron was found and before he got his axes. When his weapons would break under the stress he would grab the nearest world eater and hurl them at the opponents. Tired of seeing them miss their mark he ordered the techmarines to fix the problem. That's why the "lawn dart" model was created and only used by the world eaters.
You almost had me there.
I'm now actually trying to talk myself in to creating a small force of world eaters with angron. Remove the axes and attach two world eaters with these helmets being flung by heir primarch. I could base them to take up the space of the hunter or stalker tank and use them as anti-air support in 40K. Different paint scheme as I think I'll call them the Emperors Lawn Darts . Of course the Emperor did not approve of the name change from The War Dogs to the Emperors Lawn Darts, so Angron had to go with the runner up name of World eaters, which was not actually because of the city eaters as suggested by the black library, but was because the lawn darts were always complaining about how much dirt they ate when they landed head first.
He emperor didn't really object to the name or the tactics that angron employed, but he relinquished to Magnus who kept whining about the name because it was a constant reminder of how he lost his other eye to an errant throw by Angron who was among at Magnus favorite pet chicken.
Sorry for the off topic, I had to share because when I make his stuff up and tell my wife she gives me that face , all you married gamers know he one I'm talking about.
Not so long ago, I managed to get a quick picture of a model on Israel Gonzalez’s desk he was working on, which turned out to be the superb Iron Hands Iron Father. Walking through the Forge World Studio this week, I caught sight of Israel’s latest work. the Gorgon Terminators from the Iron Hands Legion I think you’ll agree, they look amazing...
The latest model sculpted by Israel Gonzalez.
Andy Hoare, who recently wrote Imperial Armour Volume Two - Second Edition and is part of the team working on the Horus Heresy books, is currently building up his Emperor’s Children Legion. He’s already added plenty of characters to his army, including a Legion Champion, a Master of Signal and a Praetor, which Andy has converted with parts from the Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard and the eagle from Inquisitor Coteaz.
Andy’s been playing through the Isstvan III campaign with his friends. He’s decided he needs to add some potent anti-armour firepower to his army next. Andy wants to keep it a surprise for his next game, but I already feel sorry for his opponent!
Just one part of Andy’s growing Legion.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
That terminator is pretty cool. Is that the first time we're seeing a traditional terminator style head on a preheresy/HH sculpt? If so, I wonder if they'll retcon the fluff to say that current terminators are partly decended from gorgons.
warboss wrote: That terminator is pretty cool. Is that the first time we're seeing a traditional terminator style head on a preheresy/HH sculpt? If so, I wonder if they'll retcon the fluff to say that current terminators are partly decended from gorgons.
I believe The Gorgons wore prototype Indomitus Pattern Terminator armour and the Iron Hands were one of the original pioneers and supporters of Terminator Armour. So not so much a Retcon, more an expansion of how Indomitus was developed and underwent testing.
The paint job on the new Word Bearer kit is kinda dire; it's often a problem with Forgeworld and this case is a particularly bad one. I also don't like those power...axe/glaives they're holding, they look oversized for the Space Marine's hands, like a bad conversion.
Most of the other stuff looks fine, I'm excited for something different than torso and helmet variants to come out (though I realize FW makes bank off what is essentially minor variations in a standard kit).
Mark 5 was a stopgap design made during the Heresy utilising features from the older marks of armour. Other improvised suits of power armour such as that used by the Raven Guard was called mark 5 simply becasue they didnt have another designation for 'heresy' pattern armour. It must have been a designated armour type for FW to produce it. or we could just make Mark 5 from any old scrap pieces...
Anyhoo, I can't find my source matrial, but I am pretty sure in the older codices or IA's it made reference to the fact hat the helmet seen on mark 5 armour was the precurrsor to the terminator helmet seen on the indomitus type.
Markers such as the shape of the lower helm with the 2 studs either side of the grill plus the shape as it goes into the upper helm were the indicators of this.
However this I am sure was from older material and couild have been retconned away.
Mark 6 was an armour type about to go into production, and was presented to honour the Raven Guard as Corvus Corax had been one of the key people in its development and as a way to help him replenish his legion after the mauling at Istvaan V.
warboss wrote: That terminator is pretty cool. Is that the first time we're seeing a traditional terminator style head on a preheresy/HH sculpt? If so, I wonder if they'll retcon the fluff to say that current terminators are partly decended from gorgons.
I believe The Gorgons wore prototype Indomitus Pattern Terminator armour and the Iron Hands were one of the original pioneers and supporters of Terminator Armour. So not so much a Retcon, more an expansion of how Indomitus was developed and underwent testing.
As my handy Legiones Astartes: Isstvan Campaign Legions book says, "Gorgon Pattern Terminator Armour: A variant of the Indomitus pattern Tactical Dreadnought Armour devised by Ferrus Manus and his Iron-Fathers, this advanced prototype suit was just going into production at the outset of the Horus Heresy..."
So, it looks pretty much exactly like it should, very close to Indomitus, but with a few differences.
Yeah, Indomitus pattern was already in existence by the time the prototype Gorgon pattern was being developed by Ferrus Manus and his Iron Fathers- the Imperial Fists are noted in Book 3 as having particularly large numbers of the new Indomitus pattern at the beginning of the Heresy.
warboss wrote: That terminator is pretty cool. Is that the first time we're seeing a traditional terminator style head on a preheresy/HH sculpt? If so, I wonder if they'll retcon the fluff to say that current terminators are partly decended from gorgons.
I believe The Gorgons wore prototype Indomitus Pattern Terminator armour and the Iron Hands were one of the original pioneers and supporters of Terminator Armour. So not so much a Retcon, more an expansion of how Indomitus was developed and underwent testing.
As my handy Legiones Astartes: Isstvan Campaign Legions book says, "Gorgon Pattern Terminator Armour: A variant of the Indomitus pattern Tactical Dreadnought Armour devised by Ferrus Manus and his Iron-Fathers, this advanced prototype suit was just going into production at the outset of the Horus Heresy..."
So, it looks pretty much exactly like it should, very close to Indomitus, but with a few differences.
Thanks for clearing that up as I had it backwards apparently. I do kind of wish though it was the other way around with indomitus being the last and only post heresy variant. In any case, it does look cool.
warboss wrote: That terminator is pretty cool. Is that the first time we're seeing a traditional terminator style head on a preheresy/HH sculpt? If so, I wonder if they'll retcon the fluff to say that current terminators are partly decended from gorgons.
I believe The Gorgons wore prototype Indomitus Pattern Terminator armour and the Iron Hands were one of the original pioneers and supporters of Terminator Armour. So not so much a Retcon, more an expansion of how Indomitus was developed and underwent testing.
As my handy Legiones Astartes: Isstvan Campaign Legions book says, "Gorgon Pattern Terminator Armour: A variant of the Indomitus pattern Tactical Dreadnought Armour devised by Ferrus Manus and his Iron-Fathers, this advanced prototype suit was just going into production at the outset of the Horus Heresy..."
So, it looks pretty much exactly like it should, very close to Indomitus, but with a few differences.
Thanks for clearing that up as I had it backwards apparently. I do kind of wish though it was the other way around with indomitus being the last and only post heresy variant. In any case, it does look cool.
It's actually kind of interesting to note which of the Legions that have been detailed thus far use Indomitus/Tartaros (both simply identified as "Terminator Armour in their entries) for their named, Legion specific terminator units, and which use Cataphractii.
Justaerin...Cataphractii
Red Butchers...Cataphractii
Phoenix...Terminator Armour (models are Tartaros)
Deathshroud...Terminator Armour (models are Tartaros)
Grave Wardens...Cataphractii
Gorgons...Gorgon pattern (variant of Indomitus)
Firedrakes...Cataphractii
Tyrant Siege...Cataphractii
Lernaean...Cataphractii
Looking through my copy of Visions of Heresy, and some of what's in the older four volume set, the vast majority of the pics of terminator armoured units are in Cataphractii, and I certainly expect at least the Sekhmet to be in it, when the Thousand Sons finally hit.*
Custodes appear to use Cataphractii, or a variant thereof
I did note something interesting for the Iron Hands, who started this whole line of curiosity. On p. 195, there's a Cataphractii with IH symbols, then ten pages later, a picture of Gabriel Santar, first captain of the Iron Hands, in a suit of Indomitus, or something that very much resembles it (Gorgon). Just an interesting observation that ties to the new Gorgons kit...not to say that the book is wholly reliable, as there's a pic of a few RG in Mk 6 armour smack in the Isstvan 5 section of the book.
* It's going to be interesting to see if Sekhmet get access to either Rotor Cannons or, somehow, Assault Cannons, after the bit in A Thousand Sons: "'Prime armaments,' he ordered, and fifty weapons snapped up in unison, a mix of storm bolters, flamers, and newly issued rotary cannons capable of unleashing thousands of shells per minute. their official designation was assault cannon..."
It's actually kind of interesting to note which of the Legions that have been detailed thus far use Indomitus/Tartaros (both simply identified as "Terminator Armour in their entries) for their named, Legion specific terminator units, and which use Cataphractii.
Justaerin...Cataphractii
Red Butchers...Cataphractii
Phoenix...Terminator Armour (models are Tartaros)
Deathshroud...Terminator Armour (models are Tartaros)
Grave Wardens...Cataphractii
Gorgons...Gorgon pattern (variant of Indomitus)
Firedrakes...Cataphractii
Tyrant Siege...Cataphractii
Lernaean...Cataphractii
Those distinctions are made because Cataphractii armor has different rules from other Terminator armor.
It's actually kind of interesting to note which of the Legions that have been detailed thus far use Indomitus/Tartaros (both simply identified as "Terminator Armour in their entries) for their named, Legion specific terminator units, and which use Cataphractii.
Justaerin...Cataphractii
Red Butchers...Cataphractii
Phoenix...Terminator Armour (models are Tartaros)
Deathshroud...Terminator Armour (models are Tartaros)
Grave Wardens...Cataphractii
Gorgons...Gorgon pattern (variant of Indomitus)
Firedrakes...Cataphractii
Tyrant Siege...Cataphractii
Lernaean...Cataphractii
Those distinctions are made because Cataphractii armor has different rules from other Terminator armor.
Yes, I know that. I was just interested in which units used which patterns. It's interesting to me. If it's not to you, okay.
As cool as those Gorgon are, they've got a bit of a shoegazer pose going on. Hopefully the heads aren't sculpted into the torsos but it looks like that's the case.
Would have prefered them to look like more bulked out Cataphractii so that they'd tie in with the Immortals a bit better.
H.B.M.C. wrote: How can bundles of standard products "run out"?
Maybe just an inventory/casting issue?
They spend a few days casting up bundles and have them sitting on the shelves ready to mail out. Assembly lining the casting for a bundle might just be more efficient and lets them pass on some savings. This would probably be something they could do when they get a fresh new set of molds of all the pieces involved.
As time goes on and they start casting other stuff, as well as casting individual orders of things included in the bundles, it gets less efficient to mail out these bundles. You don't have anymore sitting on the shelves, so now you have to stop what you are working on to cast all the pieces of the bundle. And then you find out that a few of the casts needed for the entire bundle needs to be replaced, which is going to take time.
It's probably not a case of a bundle "running out" or getting more expensive to cast, you are getting the items at the same individual prices you always got them at once the bundle runs out. There is probably just a certain efficiency to casting up X number of bundles all at once and sticking them on a shelf to be mailed out as ordered. Once that's done the efficiently cast bundles only last so long.
It's hardly out of the question for bundles to change, and at least they're giving warning. When you go to the supermarket every week, do they have the same offers on? No. FW changing these is just replacing old special offers with new ones, something almost every company does.*
*apart from GW, who never offer any in the first place. And no, the codex bundle does not count, it's an entirely different product.
IA4 is now out of stock, probably an update on the horizon. Suspect the Vraks books will undergo something similar as will the Badab War ones as they're pretty much 2 for 1 as well. Cheap because they want them sold. Probably...
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Hulksmash wrote: Vrak's books are dirt cheap. I might pick up the bundle. Currently don't have it and love all the FW books. And 3 books for the cost of 1 is insane.
I wonder if the discount on the Vraks books is due to a planned 2nd edition treatment like the Taros IA3 book got.
I think I'd be ok having the 1st edition. I get the IA books for the scenarios and story. The actual units aren't a huge deal to me since people rarely use them here locally or at larger GT's and if I need the current ones I've got people for that
Hulksmash wrote: Vrak's books are dirt cheap. I might pick up the bundle. Currently don't have it and love all the FW books. And 3 books for the cost of 1 is insane.
I wonder if the discount on the Vraks books is due to a planned 2nd edition treatment like the Taros IA3 book got.
Vraks getting a 2nd edition isn't planned for awhile. They still have to do the Anphelion Project revamp.
They don't necessarily have to do them in order and I could easily see them skipping a less popular one for a multibook series that has more marines and lots of chaos.
Hopefully this new IA book is for Chaos, there was a rumor about Chaos getting one. Although Tyranids might be more in need of one since their codex release. Are there anymore details about the new book?
Wasn't their a rumor of a chaos themed IA book like what the IG and SM got with a lost and the damned style list for 7th ed? I also recall the rumor saying it wasn't going to be a campaign spefic list like the valks one, so options for all 4 gods.
My bet would probly be on the nid one getting updated 1st thow.
warboss wrote: They don't necessarily have to do them in order and I could easily see them skipping a less popular one for a multibook series that has more marines and lots of chaos.
Well considering that the new Anphelion Project book has been underway for around a year and we saw sculpts not too long ago, I think they feel that yeah they do have to do them in order.
warboss wrote: They don't necessarily have to do them in order and I could easily see them skipping a less popular one for a multibook series that has more marines and lots of chaos.
Well considering that the new Anphelion Project book has been underway for around a year and we saw sculpts not too long ago, I think they feel that yeah they do have to do them in order.
Do you have a link to the announcement or mention of the Anphelion Project redo? I don't recall seeing that. I remember seeing a while back a large nid being worked on maybe back in 2013 but nothing more.
I am very happy the Legion Invasion Force is still available. When I first saw the email about last chance bundles, I nearly panicked, as I plan to buy that bundle next month.
Tannhauser42 wrote: I am very happy the Legion Invasion Force is still available. When I first saw the email about last chance bundles, I nearly panicked, as I plan to buy that bundle next month.
I dearly, dearly want that bundle, but it saddens me to find that, although it's still going to be available, it probably won't be for long enough for me to get the money together. :(
It's a darn good savings, and I will likely miss it.
Zuul wrote:I looked eagerly through the new bundles. Sadly disappointed to see that sons of horus still are the only traitor legion with bundles.
Medium of Death wrote:Iron Hands have one too.
It would be nice if the others had some though.
World Eaters with rampagers and perhaps despoilers, Word Bearers with their jump unit and the new parts etc.
Hopefully when the Imperial Fist stuff arrives they add more bundles.
These are the only legions with legion specific HQs that aren't special characters though, so that may be why they are the only 2 with bundles. When/if they release some generic HQs for the other legions, I would expect a bundle for them then.
It's the Bare heads I'm excited about from these recent releases! I enjoy painting as many different ones as I can and now there's at least 4 newbies for me to try my hand at! gonna have to trawl ebay soon I think! :-)
Really liking the Salamander stuff those helmets are the only ones which feel like they're worth it for me, the bare headed one is probably one of the best faces FW have produced.
Stalking through the Forge World Studio this week, I was stopped in my tracks at the sight of a terrifying creature. Sculpted by Trish Carden, who recently created the imposing Dread Saurian, this new biological horror looks as if it’s about ready to cause some carnage on the battlefield.
Soon your army might be facing these jaws, or will they be tearing into your foes?
I’ve also spent some time in the Citadel Miniatures Hall at Warhammer World, where there are some awe-inspiring models and armies on display. The Ork collection is fantastic and includes plenty of Forge World models such as the Dread Mob Dreads and the Battlewagon with Lifta-Droppa. There are even dioramas from the Imperial Armour Model Masterclass books and a whole host of Forge World units and characters.
Just a small selection of the Ork forces on display.
If you’re visiting Warhammer World, maybe for the Warhammer 40,000 Open Day on Sunday 20th July, it’s well worth taking some time to visit the Citadel Miniatures Hall. You'll be able to see a fantastic range of Forge World models up close including the latest from the Salamanders and Iron Hands Legions. Check out the Warhammer World website for opening hours and details.
You can see the models painted by the Forge World Studio up close.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
Interested in that big beast but from the previous preview pictures we haven't seen the most interesting part. Looking forward to seeing the torso and get and idea of the final size of the monster. I'm thinking it must be around Knight size if I'm recalling the other pictures correctly.
I don't think it has a name. Looking at the older pictures it just says "Mock Up" so unless they've just lost the will to live I think the official name is yet to be revealed...
I propose Gribble Beast 9000 as a stand in until we know more.
Oh well, 'nids can use a tad of love from the resin-crack-factory, I guess. Now, where the fudge is that Alpha Legion A4 transfer sheet and etched brass? I kind of need those you know.
Sculpt away FW! Those Laernean Terminators are not going to make themselves.
So the Salamanders stuff we saw a couple of updates back is now up on Forgeworld...
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff Salamander Contemptor, Torso and heads
Alpharius wrote: And I want to know when the Alpha Legion stuff hits, ASAP!
The upgrade kits are awesome, though I'm pretty sure that the resin moustaches will break off in the bag. The helmets that have the babies stapled to them should be ok, even with FW's bad QA.
It's quite annoying that FW are taking so long to get the basics out for each Legion.
Hopefully all those covered in the first 3 books will have all their basic kits sooner rather than later. I'd be surprised if we don't see Iron Warrior and Alpha Legion parts soon.
Not to worry... the fourth book is apparently going to retread alot of the same legions instead of venturing into new ones from the little we've heard so the backlog shouldn't increase much.
You're lucky. Back in 3rd edition when I played Chaos, if you wanted to do Alpha Legion, you had to settle for moutache decals because that's all you had and if you wanted babies stapled to the helmet then you needed to sculpt them yourself because even Chapterhouse wasn't around back then. You new players don't know how well you have it!
It's the dakka Alpha Legion meme. They're silent movie era villains who telegraph every obvious eeevil act like stapling babies to their ornate helmets while twirling their moustaches.
What was the Alpha Legion fluff like across the three books?
I'd be especially interested to know what it was like for the last one where they attack that Forge World, fighting loyalist Iron Warriors in the process. I don't imagine they are too mustache twirly in that.
It's more a reference to recent Black Library villainy. The Forge World fight is one of the only straight up slugfests they've engaged in throughout the recent fluff. In any case, I'm sure Alpharius (who came up with the meme) can explain more if he doesn't feel it is off topic to a FW thread.
The battle of Paramar is nothing short of murder of the mechanicum and Iron Warrior loyalists, its a great portrayal of the forthright style of warfare the XX legion exels at; integrated armoured spearhead warfare with tactical close airsupport.
Essential Blitzkrieg. Panzer spearheads with Sicarian and Spartan assult carriers; Laenean cataphractii terminarors an effrit execution squads at the fore, fire raptors and storm eagles hunting targets of opportunity: fellblade and glaive squadrons bringing up the rear. The god-machines of the Legio Furenas tearing the Legio Gryphonicus to shreds... Yet, it's not a total victory, as the XXth disengages once the machanicum installations are captured, leaving a poisoned apple seeded with remnant IV legion and mechanicum loyalists for the XVI (sons of horus) to hold and control in their wake.
Never forget, the Legion is the last failsafe, the double agent, The last loyal sons of the Emperor, poised to strike the killing blow once the pawns of the primordial annihilator overextend themslaves, to ensure the surival of the human species, no matter how long the virgil.
Medium of Death wrote: It's quite annoying that FW are taking so long to get the basics out for each Legion.
Hopefully all those covered in the first 3 books will have all their basic kits sooner rather than later. I'd be surprised if we don't see Iron Warrior and Alpha Legion parts soon.
There are some even more basics that FW needs to get to before more chapter specific parts-
Praetor in Tartaros/Indomitable TDA Consuls- Chaplain, Librarian, Forge Lord, Vigilator
Dreadnought and Contemptor Volkite Culverns
Deimos pattern whirlwind
It would also be nice of FW started putting out more of the legion specific command squads like Sons of Horus got.
Medium of Death wrote: It's quite annoying that FW are taking so long to get the basics out for each Legion.
Hopefully all those covered in the first 3 books will have all their basic kits sooner rather than later. I'd be surprised if we don't see Iron Warrior and Alpha Legion parts soon.
At least there has been a fair bit of stuff that works well as Iron Warrior stuff released. I've been looking into re purposing a lot of the Iron Hands stuff, and anything that looks blunt, brutal and MKIII also works well for them...
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Medium of Death wrote: It's quite annoying that FW are taking so long to get the basics out for each Legion.
It could be worse. You could have the one thing you want (a Mechanicum army) come out at a snail's pace, with dribs and drabs and bits of an army coming out with each new book and no real list, just a list of what's available right now.
It can always be worse, at least with FW you know that they do the best they can as fast as they can and in 99% of the cases the wait is worthwile. I mean, do -anyone- really want someone else that the dymanic duo Mark Bedford - Will Hayes smudging their filthy paws all over the Mecanicum range? I for one can accept the slow pace if it means they only use their most experienced sculptors on the range, and let's face it, the sculpts are some of the most awsome that FW has ever produced.
Er - that's huge!
Definitely worth the £70 they're asking for IMO.
Have a small number of mech to add to my SM army, but this I might have to go the whole hog!!!
bubber wrote: Er - that's huge!
Definitely worth the £70 they're asking for IMO.
Have a small number of mech to add to my SM army, but this I might have to go the whole hog!!!
Agreed. To put it in perspective, it costs 10 GBP more than horus and double that of the smaller castellax in the pic. Thanks for posting the pic and news, HMBC.
Looking at a quick google search, it seems that the giant cannon is a bit underwhelming despite the awesomeness of the sculpt and size of the model. It is just a single 5" blast Str8 AP2 reroll cover 48" range weapon which shrinks down to storm bolter range if the robot moves. That feels a bit "meh" compared to other things of the same size and caliber. If anything, I would have expected maybe ordnance 2 if stationary at least.
Its a T8, W4, 2+ MC, so its biggest strength is that it is hard to kill, stick two or more in a unit and you can shuffle them around for wound allocation, give it will not die via a Magos for even more fun.
Also, at +15pts it get's +1BS for a total of 5 and reduces the cover save of it targets with -1, that, combined with forcing re-rolls of passed cover saves makes te plasma mortar quite nasty indeed. AP2 and Ordnance makes it quite useful vs. vehicles too.
And, should there be points to spare, it can take paragon of metal at +35pts, giving It Will Not Die!, Rampage and makes it nolonger subject to the Programed Behaviour rule but at the cost of not being able to score.
Remember something though when it comes to the robots: Cybertheurgy from your magi. Making stuff shoot twice, +d3 attacks, +2 initiative, loads of fun stuff. Having Ordnance 2 on the mortar would mean four 5'' blasts if a magi pulls it off, and with that special power only incurring a -2 penalty on a LD10 models' leadership test to activate,.. well they will be able to do so whenever in range.
Sasori wrote: Excellent model, and at a much better price point than the Knight!
On that I definitely agree. It'll be interesting when the first assembled pics of one hit the net next to an assembled Knight for a size comparison. I'm sure someone with better GIMPfu can superimpose the existing pics or put them side by side right now but nothing beats a normal scale pic.
Is the Thanatar something that space marine legion lists can take in limited amounts or is it *only* mechanicum lists that get access to it? I realize you can ally with them but I'm curious if they can be added to say a Iron Warriors list without allies.
Sasori wrote: Excellent model, and at a much better price point than the Knight!
On that I definitely agree. It'll be interesting when the first assembled pics of one hit the net next to an assembled Knight for a size comparison. I'm sure someone with better GIMPfu can superimpose the existing pics or put them side by side right now but nothing beats a normal scale pic.
Is the Thanatar something that space marine legion lists can take in limited amounts or is it *only* mechanicum lists that get access to it? I realize you can ally with them but I'm curious if they can be added to say a Iron Warriors list without allies.
I believe it's only mechancium, but I'm not 100% and don't have the book on me right now.
I'm really hoping that IA13 allows us to take Dark Mechanicus versions of this stuff in 40k!
It's a HS for a mechanicum army, 1 to 5 models per maniple. So in theory you could have up to 15 in a standard chart but at 240pts a pop we'd be in Apocalypse territory by then so it would not matter.
Alpharius wrote: I didn't come up with the "Stapling Babies" thing - that was Dan Abnett I think?
Trying to explain how hard it is to write fiction where Chaos Marines are the main characters...
Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever seen them hit the mark- usually it comes out as antihero or "a good guy who happens to murder people." Back in the 3.5 'dex, there was a little fluff piece about some barbarian at the ass-end of the galaxy who got the opportunity to become a new CSM, which I thought had more potential than most full CSM books I've read
Ustrello wrote: Is it me or do I seem to be the only one that likes the knight lancer?
I make no bones that the Knights, both GW and FW have essentially given my inner fanboy a Red Bull and a massive bag of sweets and told him he can have a puppy.
I have 3 of the GW (2 Paladins and an Errant, once built) and I intend to add one of the Cerastus ones before the end of the year.
They're a perfect example of what I say when I get accused of "hating" in that if they get something right, at least for me personally, I'm more than happy to reward that with cash, it's just I'd love them to do it more often.
So, no, you're not the only one (although I do have a few small mods in mind, such as fitting coloured acrylic film into the shield)
H.B.M.C. wrote: 2014: I still don't know how the RSS feeds work.
Medium of Death wrote: It's quite annoying that FW are taking so long to get the basics out for each Legion.
It could be worse. You could have the one thing you want (a Mechanicum army) come out at a snail's pace, with dribs and drabs and bits of an army coming out with each new book and no real list, just a list of what's available right now.
Just Ally with Iron Warriors till you get a full Mechanicum Army I have a fun 2k list I have been tweaking and wanting to try out. And with the new beauty FW just put out................
warboss wrote: Thanks for posting the pic and news, HMBC.
And once again the dastardly HMBC steals my thunder.
I've been posting long enough to get the joke. Much like the feared geometric warriors of the Emperor, the Blood Angles, you never know when she'll strike!
H.B.M.C. wrote: Difficult to be let down by a giant stompy robot.
If you're a child of the 1980's it is indeed correct to say it is difficult. Unfortunately, if there is a Bay then there is a way.
I thought Bay did pretty well modernising the Transformers image - well ok, the scripts and actors are obvious summer blockbuster level, but most of the things have pretty good feel to them. I'm interested to see what he does with TMNT, although casting Megan Fox had me a bit.
*sigh*
Now, once I finish my Pre-Heresy Emperor's Children, I'll have to start an AdMech force to go with them.
When will it end, Forgeworld, when will it end?
anyone want to see the thanatar either carrying a castellax on its chest like 'babies day out' or a perverse dark mechanicus slaanesh variant where its breast feeding a castellax?
STC_LogisEngine wrote: Also, at +15pts it get's +1BS for a total of 5 and reduces the cover save of it targets with -1, that, combined with forcing re-rolls of passed cover saves makes te plasma mortar quite nasty indeed. AP2 and Ordnance makes it quite useful vs. vehicles too.
And, should there be points to spare, it can take paragon of metal at +35pts, giving It Will Not Die!, Rampage and makes it nolonger subject to the Programed Behaviour rule but at the cost of not being able to score.
Remember something though when it comes to the robots: Cybertheurgy from your magi. Making stuff shoot twice, +d3 attacks, +2 initiative, loads of fun stuff. Having Ordnance 2 on the mortar would mean four 5'' blasts if a magi pulls it off, and with that special power only incurring a -2 penalty on a LD10 models' leadership test to activate,.. well they will be able to do so whenever in range.
So that's what that big gun is on the shoulder... Sounds fun!
warboss wrote: I like the knight lancer; it's a cool model. I just don't like the number next to it in GBP.
Even with the size of it? I think its only a bit smaller than a Revenant or Warhound, once mine is built I'll take some pictures with them as I haven't seen any decent scale shots with the Lancer & Titans.
Made me grin.
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which was not actually because of the city eaters as suggested by the black library, but was because the lawn darts were always complaining about how much dirt they ate when they landed head first.
I have a fun 2k list I have been tweaking and wanting to try out. And with the new beauty 
