Speaking of the EC, I wonder what slogan they would use on a hoodie?
I remember "Slaves to Pleasure" being on an EC banner in Realm of Chaos. But there's something telling they won't use that one. (even disregarding the fact that it's a post-Heresy solgan)
So is the Knight Lancer a melee only unit / model? Seems rather silly as I thought it was supposed to be "better" than the Paladin / Errant per the fluff (at least more rare) but it has no ranged weapons?
Makes no sense.
The model doesn't look as good as the the GW plastic kit to me... especially at almost 3x the price.
fursphere wrote: So is the Knight Lancer a melee only unit / model? Seems rather silly as I thought it was supposed to be "better" than the Paladin / Errant per the fluff (at least more rare) but it has no ranged weapons?
Makes no sense.
The model doesn't look as good as the the GW plastic kit to me... especially at almost 3x the price.
Your signature strongly implies you might manage to fight though the pain and get one, anyway.
You made me look and....ZOMG!
Still, anyway, yeah, $285 is a bit much for that model - no matter how nice it is!
Based on my sig, one might think that I'm made of money. Still, you'll note the severe drop-off in expenditures this year compared to previous, I hope. One of these Knights is half as much as I've spent so far this year.
Based on my sig, one might think that I'm made of money. Still, you'll note the severe drop-off in expenditures this year compared to previous, I hope. One of these Knights is half as much as I've spent so far this year.
You've still have 6.5 months to go.
Don't be too hard on yourself.
I think I spent your total so far this year on my last FW order alone.
Came here to see if anyone else thought that £170 for the Lancer was ridiculous, and glad to see I'm not alone. That's two Avenger Jet Fighters [a really big kit itself]. I'm a bit of a FW junkie but this is one model I will never own.
Dunno, I find the Cerastus Lancer growing on me. I think I prefer it over the regular knights to be honest.
The pricetag is a tad steep but then again it's a huuuuge 'effin kit, it's almost as tall as the Warhound (if nowhere near as bulky) and that hunk of resin costs £331.
Being the clever clogs that I am, turns out I sent my Horus Heresy collector's edition thingy to my parent's place, where it arrived today, on the same day as another book also arrived (/shameless plug).
It's a very nice set of books. Very happy with my purchase.
Darth Bob wrote: I hope that, one day, Forge World starts selling shirts, hoodies, and other apparel outside of these events. They seem like they would be really popular sellers.
Indeed. My Christmas list for my gaming group would be done easily.
Agreed even more. I know I'd buy quite a few things for myself, and certainly would fill some friends with goodies too for X-mas and B-days.
I can see some potential for the Emperor's Children helmets. they remind me very much of the HH cover art for some of the Dark Angels books (Minus the topknot)
He's a bit awkwardly posed, might have looked better with the arms and scythe resting against his thigh. The primarchs have been fantastic so far, by and large, think this is probably the worst of them.
Think I would probably go for the Kabuki version..
Bronzefists42 wrote:Ah yes.
Now I can just convert plastic marines into WE
This is what I and many other people did for years prior to the FW stuff arriving, just cut the bunny ears from a Khorne Bersker helm.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Well there you go. Not so keen on the top handle coming off the side, but otherwise he's nice.
I agree with you from an aesthetics point of view, although real scythes have that handle, so even if he looks a bit weird, at least he is an efficient reaper
I mean don't get me wrong, from a sculpting perspective they did a good job. Just, the pose and overall design, from his head to his weapon to his armor, seems really "meh" to me.
How do you even use the scythe holding it like that?
BlaxicanX wrote: How do you even use the scythe holding it like that?
How a scythe is meant to be used, in big sweeping arcs. Real scythes are like that, it makes the scythe more efficient to use. Scythes have never been particularly effective weapons, because they are only really good for lopping off people's legs in big slow arcs.
But you can barely swing it in a large arc while holding it like that. You would have to twist your entire body, from your upper torso to your legs, to twist that thing far enough to strike someone with the bladed end.
You can't really fall back on realism there, scythes with that kind kind of appearance were never used as weapons, so it's not even realistic, it's just dumb.
Warscythes were used in a similar manner to naginatas. I've never seen a scythe with that awkward handle branching off of it.
Yeah, it is based of a real working scythe. Warscythes were usually modified to have the blade sticking out vertically from the top of the pole, so then they were like a glaive or naginata. The shape of a scythe just isn't practical for a weapon, because the blade is on the inside of the arc. However, it doesn't really have the grim reaper feel to it if it no longer looks like a scythe, there is the image to uphold here I suppose.
You're right, but he's not holding it like a Grim Reaper, he's holding it like its a battering ram, lol.
I mean, why bother going for the "iconic", yet unrealistic look, if you're going to mess it up by holding it in a non-iconic stance. If they were going to go that direction and throw realism out the window, they should have just gone all the way and had him hold like the iconic Grim Reaper.
I mean, why bother going for the "iconic", yet unrealistic look, if you're going to mess it up by holding it in a non-iconic stance. If they were going to go that direction and throw realism out the window, they should have just gone all the way and had him hold like the iconic Grim Reaper.
imo.
That is a good point actually They've kept a working scythe for the Grim Reaper look, but made him look like an evil farmer in the pose
I mean, why bother going for the "iconic", yet unrealistic look, if you're going to mess it up by holding it in a non-iconic stance. If they were going to go that direction and throw realism out the window, they should have just gone all the way and had him hold like the iconic Grim Reaper.
Knights look awesome. Seems FW has decided that the plastic kit is the Questorus pattern, and their kits are Cerastus pattern. Makes sense. I was going to pick up a lancer, but I'll wait and grab these two instead.
Magos on Abeyant is impressive, but I'd like some Magos options that don't look like they are out of the Matrix. A couple of generic magos/archmagos to represent the different types in book 3 would be nice, with weapons/wargear they can swap between them.
That Triaros...epic! Makes me think of the batmobile in Batman TAS. Now to decide between 3 or 4 of them.
I mean, why bother going for the "iconic", yet unrealistic look, if you're going to mess it up by holding it in a non-iconic stance. If they were going to go that direction and throw realism out the window, they should have just gone all the way and had him hold like the iconic Grim Reaper.
Here's the issue with that: The Grim Reaper was originally depicted with a proper accurate farming scythe, hence the name.
It wasn't(and isn't supposed to be) a weapon, it was symbolic of his job to reap souls like you reap wheat.
The "iconic" Grim Reaper pose tends to be him holding it in a relaxed pose or on his shoulder.
Here's an old one of him using it:
In art, I've seen as many depictions with the handles as without.
Interesting. I still would have preferred if they'd just given the man a look that more acurrately matched his established fluff appearances, but, what can you say.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Magos on Abeyant is impressive, but I'd like some Magos options that don't look like they are out of the Matrix. A couple of generic magos/archmagos to represent the different types in book 3 would be nice, with weapons/wargear they can swap between them.
I think the Magos there is Satarael, the special character in book 3 who is also a monstrous creature. He just looks a bit too big to be any standard Magi. Not to mentio FW already has a Magos on abeyant model.
Will have to go find my copy and check if the wargear of the model checks out as Satarael's.
I have no words that can successfully encompass how much I love this.
Yep, right there with you. Very Art Deco! Sort of like a cross between between an Art Deco train and something from the film Dune...
Interestingly, it has conventional armour, rather than just the energy shielding of the considerably more skeletal Krios next to it. Maybe it sacrifices bulky generators for it's rather large transport capacity.
I am a bit disappointed that FW seems to concentrate on making variants of the Knight Lancer instead making conversion parts for the plastic Knight kit.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Ok then... what is a Velatis Storm Squad? Are we seeing the first Imperial Army miniatures?
We are indeed.
Forge World mentioned awhile back that we weren't going to see "generic Imperial Army" miniatures(apparently it was the same reason we didn't see Hobgoblins for the Chaos Dwarfs: They would be far too expensive to keep the molds maintained and out of reach of most players, financially), but rather we would see more "specialized" stuff with a different aesthetic to the current Guard models but that would not look entirely out of place.
They are both from book 3, but are probably in book 4 too. The knight page was actually released in it's entirety by FW though, so that one is fine, not so sure about the triaros.
That's decent choreography, though actually trying to stab like that with a real scythe blade would probably break it, and it all feels too acrobatic for Mortarion's bulk. I wish they'd done something more stylized, a realistically-gripped scythe is an infamously terrible weapon, as anyone who's ever reaped a field can tell you.
I like the look of the knight lancer and variants.
With the new knights I have to wonder about the how worth while these weapons are. Inferno Cannon and gatling heavy bolters are Titan class weapons and are appropriate given that the crusader/castellan are supposed to have quake cannons... With the lancer chassis we have a Titan hunter and two weapon options that make it into an anti-infantry Knight... and maybe I'm missing it but that seems to retread a few things you'd expect from a variant of the paladin. I just figure if they're gonna invent new weapons for knights they'd invent new weapons for knights.
The veletaris storm squad are cool... Preheresy storm troopers?
I'm liking the Dracosan and Solar Auxilia Basilisk.
Salamander Contemptor looks...interesting. Need to see more, at this point I'm not so sure about the "scales" on the arms.
Thanatar is very very snacky.
Thousand Sons marine WIP looks like it could be just what I wanted, but lord do I want to see the various sorcerers. I really hope that we get several of the character sorcerers, too, I've always dug the look of the Phosis T'kar illustrations.
That's decent choreography, though actually trying to stab like that with a real scythe blade would probably break it, and it all feels too acrobatic for Mortarion's bulk. I wish they'd done something more stylized, a realistically-gripped scythe is an infamously terrible weapon, as anyone who's ever reaped a field can tell you.
But in nearly every way, a scythe with the grips fitted to it is superior to one without. You can still take your hands off of the perpendicular grips and take the scythe in hand in nearly every single way you can use a non-gripped scythe, but have the added flexibility of the grips for improved control of the blade.
I...I just... All I can say is I REALLY need to win the lottery so I can ditch all of my 40K stuff and just build 30K armies. I NEED an AdMech army now to go with my Emperor's Children. I NEED to work on an Imperial Army now, too. Mu poor wallet cries in terribly painful anticipation of the 30K Ultramarines.
Tannhauser42 wrote: I...I just... All I can say is I REALLY need to win the lottery so I can ditch all of my 40K stuff and just build 30K armies. I NEED an AdMech army now to go with my Emperor's Children. I NEED to work on an Imperial Army now, too. Mu poor wallet cries in terribly painful anticipation of the 30K Ultramarines.
I have some time, at least, to put money away, before they start releasing Thousand Sons. But yes, that will be a very, very big drain on my bank accounts.
If they are doing the Imperial army I hope they are going to do 30k in more general.. I would like to see Zoats, Squats and those arachnid giant spider things from one of the BLHH books..
Wow... what a load of great stuff! Now that they are off the 'regular marines' stuff and onto characters, specialty legion specific stuff, mechanicum and knights, FW is becoming a lot more interesting... Still feel terrible for Xenos fans, but stuff like the solar guard creeping in to is a nice hunk of variety all the same... to me anyways.
Grarg wrote: Oh man.... I'm hoping they'd at least have the helm option for vulkan, that would make that model perfect!!
Truth be told, I wish they had that option for every one of the character series.
The thing with vulkan, throughout the Fluff they always mention him and his drake helm, he is the Lord if fire and melting things, he should look it as well. The others tend to fight with their bare heads
Grarg wrote: Oh man.... I'm hoping they'd at least have the helm option for vulkan, that would make that model perfect!!
Truth be told, I wish they had that option for every one of the character series.
The thing with vulkan, throughout the Fluff they always mention him and his drake helm, he is the Lord if fire and melting things, he should look it as well. The others tend to fight with their bare heads
Grarg wrote: Oh man.... I'm hoping they'd at least have the helm option for vulkan, that would make that model perfect!!
Truth be told, I wish they had that option for every one of the character series.
The thing with vulkan, throughout the Fluff they always mention him and his drake helm, he is the Lord if fire and melting things, he should look it as well. The others tend to fight with their bare heads
Just my personal preferences and biases. I don't like minis in my armies that wear heavy armor and then neglect their heads...no room for stupid troops in my armies, much less foolish officers.
Grarg wrote: Oh man.... I'm hoping they'd at least have the helm option for vulkan, that would make that model perfect!!
Truth be told, I wish they had that option for every one of the character series.
The thing with vulkan, throughout the Fluff they always mention him and his drake helm, he is the Lord if fire and melting things, he should look it as well. The others tend to fight with their bare heads
Just my personal preferences and biases. I don't like minis in my armies that wear heavy armor and then neglect their heads...no room for stupid troops in my armies, much less foolish officers.
Not wearing helmets= quickest way to get promoted in the WH40K universe lol
The Mortarion model looks quite cool, was hoping for a bit more of a dynamic pose but i'll have a look at the model and see what I think then. The rest looks cool also ;-)
Re Mortarion - NEED but can wait until he's on general release rather than paying a whopping £110 from Ebay!
I like the scythe - remember that they were probably first used as weapons by farmers fighting off raiders. + this is awesome:
As someone who plays both Death Guard AND Salamanders, the Heresy is really starting to sink it's teeth into me.
Great looking stuff Forgeworld!
Luckily I play DG & DA so I should have plenty of time to save for my 2nd army!
I have a small 40KDA force and am painting them black, the way they should be (inc the termies)!!
I may pick up some Word Bearers stuff (like the Gal Vorbak), some SW, some Salamanders, DA termies for Deathwing...bits and pieces to work into 40k armies as rare, relic units/armor/vehicles...
No, the only full 30k army that I'm going to go whole hog on is Thousand Sons...but I expect it'll be a pretty darn big army worth of 30k stuff...
Thousand Sons marine WIP looks like it could be just what I wanted, but lord do I want to see the various sorcerers. I really hope that we get several of the character sorcerers, too, I've always dug the look of the Phosis T'kar illustrations.
wait, what, did I miss this?
didint see any pics of any Thousand Sons anywhere...?
Thousand Sons marine WIP looks like it could be just what I wanted, but lord do I want to see the various sorcerers. I really hope that we get several of the character sorcerers, too, I've always dug the look of the Phosis T'kar illustrations.
wait, what, did I miss this?
didint see any pics of any Thousand Sons anywhere...?
H.B.M.C. wrote: I guess I don't see the point of the Gal Vorbak stuff. For one, we have a Possessed kit already, and two... the name sounds like a guy, not a unit.
From Bolter & Chainsword:
1. Size. These are bulky units. (40mm?)
2. Cohesive in appearance with the rest of the range. This is not a Chaos Space Marine upgrade, this is a unit built off of quite obviously Mark IV.
I love the look of the Gal Vorbak.
The current possessed marines are crap and they are still that outdated look that plague the CSM line. I'm hoping these turn out much more like the new raptors and chosen.
jonolikespie wrote: I love the look of the Gal Vorbak.
The current possessed marines are crap and they are still that outdated look that plague the CSM line. I'm hoping these turn out much more like the new raptors and chosen.
+1 to that definitely, the new Gal Vorbak are very nice!
I do rather like the Gal Vorbak and I might eventually pick up a set since they're apparently on 40mm bases. They'll make good foes for my truescale deathwatch marine squad! The primarchs for me seem to follow a rotating choice of home run (Horus), miss (Mortarion), and just plain ok (Vulkan).
Plenty of fluff on the Gal Vorbak. May I direct you to The First Heretic and Betrayer, by Aaron Dembski-Bowden (two of the better HH books). I have to admit, the models look great with the close ups today. Really cool designs.
I mean possesd marines wasent present at the heresy ?
Visually, the solar auxilla look like the new stormtroopers (or whatever faux latin they're now called). Maybe the HH era Imperial Army trooper gets better stuff on average just like Marines?
Gal Vorbak have rules in one of the three HH books, or in the Legion book that FW just put out if you don't want to buy the bigger more expensive books.
With 12 Legions having (early Crusade) rulesets, that leaves 6 yet to get any HH attention. Of those six, four are prominent 40K armies (Ultramarines, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves). The other two are the White Scars and the Thousand Sons. And of the 12 Legions with rulesets, some haven't seen their first models yet.
I don't mind a "catch up" year, letting the Raven Guard, Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists, Alpha Legion catch up, along with some kits for the other armies that are still waiting. Getting some good stuff for the Imperial Crusade Army and Knights will be soften the blow.
And I'm a Space Wolves guy. I was all excited that we were going to be in Book 4...the next book. Then we were told that it would be Book 5. And now...indeterminate. But that is OK. Business-wise, it makes sense to lead with great models for less popular Legions. Makes people like me cave and buy stuff for other Legions while I wait for "my" army to get stuff. Do I like waiting? Nope. Is the stuff coming out now great? Yeah, it really is.
So I'll wait. And hope a car doesn't run me over before Prospero and Russ get released.
It doesn't have to be wrong to look wrong, and while I'd agree that yes, given the whole 'narrative' of the pose, it makes sense, it still looks awkward to my eye.
I think it contributes to the flow of the model. The splayed fingers, the angle. I like it, and think it works with the angle of the head, the hammer, the legs. Just my take.
Edit: I've enjoyed each of the Primarch models, but Vulkan is the first one I feel like I have to buy. Just very well done.
That pic of vulkan does indeed look better but the hand angle is off for me as well but that is likely a quick fix and easy to do with resin depending on the parts break down.
I can imagine modelling Vulkan with an enemy marine grasped by the helmet in his left hand (maybe scrabbling desperately to break free), just before he smashes it to kingdom-come with his hammer. That is what I saw when I first looked at the posing anyway
Is that first row of marines carrying Assault Cannons?
Thats new, isnt it?
(model wise that is, I don't own any of the HH books, so no idea about rules to cover this)
He looks phenomenally sculpted, though that paint job could really use some work. I'm not sure if it's just the lighting but the armor and his skin look incredibly flat.
I'd suspect "large" FAQ may be overstating it, as 7th is essentially a rejigged rather than totally overhauled system, and it looks like two of the three big changes (Psychic phase and Force Org) won't be relevant because Psykers aren't that prevalent in 30K yet, and 30K has its own Force Org.
Nicky J wrote: Is that first row of marines carrying Assault Cannons?
Thats new, isnt it?
(model wise that is, I don't own any of the HH books, so no idea about rules to cover this)
They are legion rotor cannons, sort of a less powerful, more mobile predecessor to assault cannons.
Yeah, honestly, I'd love Alpharius Omegon, but I'd be happy to see Dorn or Corax as well. If anything, Corax would be cool just to see how they do his wings. Unlike some people in this thread, I've not seen a single Primarch so far that I haven't thought was anything less than brilliant. I was a bit worried when I first saw the scythe for Mortarion, but the most recent picture of him all painted up totally quashed those concerns. My favorite so far is definitely Horus as far as quality-of-the-sculpt, but I think they are all brilliant representations of the characters.
So are these Basilisks and medusas gonna have better armor values now that they're on Leman Russ chassis? Didn't even realize Leman Russ chassis existed yet, but I guess these chassis are immediate predecessors.
The Gal Vorbak are really, really impressive models. I don't play Word Bearers, but I may have to buy these just to paint them up. By the looks of it, they don't seem to have a lot of Word Bearers-specific iconography other than their shoulders. Perhaps I will proxy them as Mutilators.
aka_mythos wrote: So are these Basilisks and medusas gonna have better armor values now that they're on Leman Russ chassis? Didn't even realize Leman Russ chassis existed yet, but I guess these chassis are immediate predecessors.
I'm really not sure I'd call that a LR chassis. Track units, absolutely, but the hull?
aka_mythos wrote: So are these Basilisks and medusas gonna have better armor values now that they're on Leman Russ chassis? Didn't even realize Leman Russ chassis existed yet, but I guess these chassis are immediate predecessors.
The Gal Vorbak are amazing. It is a VERY good time to be a Word Bearer. I've wanted a few units of Possessed for ages but the current kit is garbage. Kinda gonna be miffed if there's only five of them, they don't look like they have a lot of parts to mix and match with, but they look so fething good I almost don't care. Now, when can we have Argel Tal?
Very interesting AdMech stuff coming out now, kinda hoped we'd see some robed and hooded Skitarii by now. The Triaros is gorgeous, though, as is the Magos-on-a-whatever-the-feth-that-is. Very excited to see some DarkMech stuff in the next book.
Very hopeful for some more HH Imperial Army tanks, did anyone get an clue as to the what the rules/stats will be like for Dracosan Transpor? Looks like one intense APC!
Very hopeful for some more HH Imperial Army tanks, did anyone get an clue as to the what the rules/stats will be like for Dracosan Transpor? Looks like one intense APC!
They are play testing and developing them for Book 4 "Conquest" so any posited may be changed anyway. Alan Bligh was at pains to point out that the Solar Aux. would have something to allow them to fight toe to toe with the marines, so I'm guessing the tanks will be good.
He did say that the tanks are better than the 40k equivalent because they "still know how they work".
Completely computer modelled (in z-brush).
Every guy in the squad is posed differently.
Low part count models.
Done by Edgar, after hours, on the weekend, at home etc. off his own back.
Are primarily space faring
Form the blueprint for other forces assimilated during the great crusade
I did do a search but got no results, so I thought I'd do a quick heads up post;
Some months ago I noticed the Forge World Ork Battlefortress was missing from the site. At the time they still had a Facebook page, so I inquired about it and was told it had been withdrawn for new molds to be made. That was in February, if memory serves.
I emailed Forge World yesterday, as the Battlefortress is still missing, and received this reply this morning:
Hi,
Thank you for your email. Unfortunately this product has been withdrawn from sale due to problems in creating replacement moulds. We hope to produce a new version in future but this will not be for quite some time.
If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.
Squidbot wrote: I did do a search but got no results, so I thought I'd do a quick heads up post;
Some months ago I noticed the Forge World Ork Battlefortress was missing from the site. At the time they still had a Facebook page, so I inquired about it and was told it had been withdrawn for new molds to be made. That was in February, if memory serves.
I emailed Forge World yesterday, as the Battlefortress is still missing, and received this reply this morning:
Hi,
Thank you for your email. Unfortunately this product has been withdrawn from sale due to problems in creating replacement moulds. We hope to produce a new version in future but this will not be for quite some time.
If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.
Regards,
Forge World
So that's that. Carry on with your HH frenzy
Can't say I'm surprised. The Battlefortress was kind of an older kit--and a popular one at that.
Aye. I should have bought it long ago, but it's always been one of those models I kept putting off. Wiull be interesting to see what the eventual replacement will be, if they dodo a new mould, or a totally new piece.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Those HH weekender Possesed models are a bit special! Damn!
Squidbot wrote: Aye. I should have bought it long ago, but it's always been one of those models I kept putting off. Wiull be interesting to see what the eventual replacement will be, if they do a new mould, or a totally new piece.
More likely than not it will be a totally new piece.
A lot of the stuff from that 'era' has been slowly getting phased out/replaced as the moulds die off.
Also that's some fine compute modelling work done by FW, the main GW studio could perhaps use some lessons from those guys.
Edgar said that the sculpts on display were resin, created in the normal way but with the moulds created from masters produced using a 3d printer. He was adamant that what was on display was a much lower quality than that he'd expect for the finished, finalised, production version.
Kosake wrote: Well, I think after this release, GW will not sell a single of their ugly posessed kit ever again.
Never understood how anyone thought that kit was ugly. It's a treasure trove of conversion bits and the models themselves aren't bad at all. Also, I don't think the Gal Vorbak will affect the sale of Possessed since they're on a different base size. Mutilators, on the other hand....
Some of the Gal Vorbak seem like they might make some neat "bio-corrupted" Tyranid hosts... Maybe as a Tyranid Warrior stand-in. They are just really cool looking models, I'm trying to figure out a way to fluff them into my forces...
There are a lot of good bits in that kit if you want to make an army with lots of mutated bits throughout, but the models as complete units are ridiculously over the top, and there aren't many good heads.
spiralingcadaver wrote: There are a lot of good bits in that kit if you want to make an army with lots of mutated bits throughout, but the models as complete units are ridiculously over the top, and there aren't many good heads.
How do hey look any more over the top than the Gal Vorbak, though? Not to be argumentative, I'm actually curious because I honestly don't get it and I seem to be in the minority of people that loves the Possessed kit. They look like Space Marines that have daemonic appendages and fleshy growths on/coming out of their power armor. I'll grant that some of the heads are meh, but for the most part the kit is pretty great as far as I can see. They look like possessed Space Marines; what's the issue?*
*Other than the Power Rangers paint scheme GW gave the models.
spiralingcadaver wrote: There are a lot of good bits in that kit if you want to make an army with lots of mutated bits throughout, but the models as complete units are ridiculously over the top, and there aren't many good heads.
How do hey look any more over the top than the Gal Vorbak, though? Not to be argumentative, I'm actually curious because I honestly don't get it and I seem to be in the minority of people that loves the Possessed kit. They look like Space Marines that have daemonic appendages and fleshy growths on/coming out of their power armor. I'll grant that some of the heads are meh, but for the most part the kit is pretty great as far as I can see. They look like possessed Space Marines; what's the issue?*
*Other than the Power Rangers paint scheme GW gave the models.
My problem with the kit is that the part look like too much of a mismatch, whenever you put them all together
the FW one all blend together better and look like a more consistent mutation.
spiralingcadaver wrote: There are a lot of good bits in that kit if you want to make an army with lots of mutated bits throughout, but the models as complete units are ridiculously over the top, and there aren't many good heads.
How do hey look any more over the top than the Gal Vorbak, though? Not to be argumentative, I'm actually curious because I honestly don't get it and I seem to be in the minority of people that loves the Possessed kit. They look like Space Marines that have daemonic appendages and fleshy growths on/coming out of their power armor. I'll grant that some of the heads are meh, but for the most part the kit is pretty great as far as I can see. They look like possessed Space Marines; what's the issue?*
*Other than the Power Rangers paint scheme GW gave the models.
My problem with the kit is that the part look like too much of a mismatch, whenever you put them all together
the FW one all blend together better and look like a more consistent mutation.
Yep. This is my main complaint/why I like the FW ones better. Also, the leg poses and faces are often terrible- many look like they're idiotically grinning while trotting/bouncing about.
Kosake wrote: Well, I think after this release, GW will not sell a single of their ugly posessed kit ever again.
Never understood how anyone thought that kit was ugly. It's a treasure trove of conversion bits and the models themselves aren't bad at all. Also, I don't think the Gal Vorbak will affect the sale of Possessed since they're on a different base size. Mutilators, on the other hand....
Nevermind, I just saw that possessed got a new kit, I had the older models in mind:
Spoiler:
The newer ones look better. Not too brilliant, but definitely better. Still, FW wins hands down.
Well spotted. Turns out the rest of us can qualify as proofreaders for GW.
Technically this would be Forge World's mistake since I'm pretty sure they handle their books and video feed separate from the main GW body. And if the older IA books are any inclination, they've never had a good track record with proofreading.
Kosake wrote: Well, I think after this release, GW will not sell a single of their ugly posessed kit ever again.
Never understood how anyone thought that kit was ugly. It's a treasure trove of conversion bits and the models themselves aren't bad at all. Also, I don't think the Gal Vorbak will affect the sale of Possessed since they're on a different base size. Mutilators, on the other hand....
Nevermind, I just saw that possessed got a new kit, I had the older models in mind:
Spoiler:
The newer ones look better. Not too brilliant, but definitely better. Still, FW wins hands down.
Ah, yes, our old friend who is possessed by the Daemon of Jazz Hands.
There's a reason I never bought that particular box, and that reason is...all of the models in the box, really.
Ha! Well spied, I didn't notice. Maybe they have a touch screen device or automatic spell correct, usually trips me up. It is though without a doubt the best looking primarch model so far.
Mortarion - again another miniature I'm not overly impressed with, and again designed by Edgar Skomorowski. I've loved all of the ones designed by Simon Egan, but Edgar's characters are very forgettable. For such a high profile line they should really make sure that their best designers are working on them.
EDIT - oh, and wtf is on the end of silence, a weird little miniature chainblade? on a massive scythe? Just looks silly.
The scythe should be more dynamic. I understand the idea behind the handles and the heritage with them.... But, he can literally only use it in one position and for sweeping arcs two handed with them. The handles should be more manoeuvrable, maybe if it was clear that they were in some sort of hinge maybe, just so it looks like he could use it the other way round.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: The scythe should be more dynamic. I understand the idea behind the handles and the heritage with them.... But, he can literally only use it in one position and for sweeping arcs two handed with them. The handles should be more manoeuvrable, maybe if it was clear that they were in some sort of hinge maybe, just so it looks like he could use it the other way round.
Really? Just because there are handles, and he's holding them in that particular pose on that miniature, he's unable to shift his grip and grasp it by the snaith?
tyrannosaurus wrote: Mortarion - again another miniature I'm not overly impressed with, and again designed by Edgar Skomorowski. I've loved all of the ones designed by Simon Egan, but Edgar's characters are very forgettable. For such a high profile line they should really make sure that their best designers are working on them.
EDIT - oh, and wtf is on the end of silence, a weird little miniature chainblade? on a massive scythe? Just looks silly.
I sorta agree with you. I think the paint jobs do the model no justice either - they just come across as scruffily painted rather than weathered.
However I must buy him!
Re the mini-chainsaw - again I agree. I will be filing this off or might swap out the blade completely with a scratch-built one.
Just one last thing to post, on the subject of the grip Mortarion uses with his scythe.
Yep, it's a relatively clumsy and not terribly efficient weapon, and would take a LOT of practice to use effectively.
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But, as Mair's compendium of the Nuremberg traditions of fencing attests, some of the fencing masters of Germany, at least, HAD codified ways to fight with it before the 1550s
If Mortarion's grip on his Power Scythe is where it loses reality for you, I'd recommend you not look at the Fulgrim Transcendent miniature when it comes out...
Love that Vulcan sneak peak, but the hammer could be bigger.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: The scythe should be more dynamic. I understand the idea behind the handles and the heritage with them.... But, he can literally only use it in one position and for sweeping arcs two handed with them. The handles should be more manoeuvrable, maybe if it was clear that they were in some sort of hinge maybe, just so it looks like he could use it the other way round.
Really? Just because there are handles, and he's holding them in that particular pose on that miniature, he's unable to shift his grip and grasp it by the snaith?
Uh huh.
Yeah, looking at the model, I can see 2 areas on the handle of the scythe which look like they are grips also- I can imagine Mortarion shifting his grip on the scythe at a pretty amazing rate when required, being a primarch.
shade1313 wrote: But, as Mair's compendium of the Nuremberg traditions of fencing attests, some of the fencing masters of Germany, at least, HAD codified ways to fight with it before the 1550s
My jaw actually dropped, looking at those illustrations. Never pictured scythe-vs-scythe or how it would work. Thanks for that unexpected/informative post!
shade1313 wrote: But, as Mair's compendium of the Nuremberg traditions of fencing attests, some of the fencing masters of Germany, at least, HAD codified ways to fight with it before the 1550s
My jaw actually dropped, looking at those illustrations. Never pictured scythe-vs-scythe or how it would work. Thanks for that unexpected/informative post!
When I first read that Paulus Hector Mair included a section of fighting with scythes in his books, I expected the battlefield version, where the blade was mounted as an extension to the snaith, like so:
I was quite surprised that the actual weapons depicted were "agricultural style".
spiralingcadaver wrote: Yeah. The other variant is basically just a variant on polearms, but 1 on 1 fencing with agricultural scythes is pretty crazy.
It's something that I don't think happened...well, ever. Not for serious one-on-one combat. Still didn't stop the Germans from figuring out HOW to make best use of a heavy, clumsy "weapon".
I'm halfway minded to get the text which goes with it translated, buy an old scythe off of ebay, fit a wooden "waster" blade to it, and see how much of the use of it I can work out as a break from the more conventional longsword practice.
On a more on topic note, I need to start ordering the various minis of the character series, so that when I DO have the time to get to display pieces like that, I'm not ordering them all at once.
One word- Primarch. He'll be surgical with that scythe.
For those of you who don't get why there's a chain blade on the end, you should really go look at John Blanche's original artwork. It's always had one.
Sorry if this has been posted before but has anybody noticed the new cast for legion space marines? It looks like there is a bit more variety between head sculpts and chest pieces.
Now I'm curious if they are going to continue producing the old legion miniatures or consider this the new and improved version with multiple marks thrown in.
Even more info from some BoLS Readers who heard from the Forgeworld Team. Forgeworld is going to be busy:
DrLove42 writes:
ForgeWorld General Info
Battle for Prospero
-Prospero is chronologically below Istavan.
-Prospero has been pushed back 1-2 years.
-Prospero is late because they need to do right by the four force. All the forces in the book are very unique with real challenges in rules and models.
-Vulkan is 2 - 3 months away!
-FW would love to do BFG again...but its a long way off and definitely an if.
-Don't expect Skitari anytime soon
- Expect other auxillary forces with future books, like Spire Guard for Prospero and Calth Defence (and Word Bearers cultists) for Calth
-They will never do Xenos in 30k. They say that all the time.
-Calth, Ultramar and the Shadow Campaign is likely next and may be more than one book.
-Mechanicus Knight Titan is in the works
-They've said they have reached about 50% of the series chronologically. Of the 14 years the Heresy lasts, theyre up to year 7-8.
Horus Heresy IV - Conquest
-Expecting Conquest by the end of this year, but likely not available at UKGD
-Will include rules for Knight Titan armies, Dark Mechanicus, a full campaign system and "toolbox" to create a lot of different games.Will also feature rules for Shattered Loyalist legions, different legions banding together after getting screwed by Horus.
-Book will also feature Legion Relics for lots of legions, including ones we've not seen. These aren't Heresy relics....these are relics of the Dark Age of Technology.
-The Dark Mechanicus won't be very different from regular Mech yet. Not enough time has passed for them to go full evil.
Solar Auxillary Army
-The new transport and Basilisk are for the Imperial army Solar Auxillary.
-There is intention to do female Solar Auxillia and Officers.
-They actually said this will be the least Mariney book of the entire series. They will be there, but won't get much new. Instead it will be Imp Army, Mechanicus and Knights taking centre stage.
And the final funny anecdote...
Someone asked in seminar 1 "I'm 50 years old. Will I live to see the end of the series". There was a few furtive looks between the writers and a lot of "ermmm...."
I'm only 37, so I hope I live long enough to see it all.
Pushed back 1-2 years? This is kinda getting silly.
And as for this:
-Don't expect Skitari anytime soon"
... all I can say is why not? The third HH books gives a full breakdown of the Heresy-era Mechanicum, and the Skitarii are one of the major wings of that organisation. We need them!
Well, there's three very tricky armies involved, what with Thousand Sons, Sisters of Silence, and Custodes. Not to mention a primarch who can whup up on titans with his psychic abilities alone.
kronk wrote: There must be some serious balance issues with the Thousand Sons. Dang.
I think they said before that they want to get the psychic abilities of the Thousands Sons just right. And with the new psychic rules in 7th Edition, that might have thrown a wrench in the works.
And, who knows, maybe it's not just the Thousands Sons that are being difficult? Something tells me the Space Wolves could be a problem, too, as they might not follow the core Legion army list as much as the other Legions do.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Pushed back 1-2 years? This is kinda getting silly.
And as for this:
-Don't expect Skitari anytime soon"
... all I can say is why not? The third HH books gives a full breakdown of the Heresy-era Mechanicum, and the Skitarii are one of the major wings of that organisation. We need them!
Yah that realy bugs me too. I also don't like the "Not quite evil yet" dark Mechanicum. That bugs me, since in the book " Mechanicum" it bassicly says the diffrence between the Mechanicum and Dark Mechanicum became night and day once they opened up that tomb. Opening up that tomb if I recall was also when they choosed to start calling themselves the Dark Mechanicum.
The Dark Mechanicum wasn't quite the slow corruption the legions suffered, as soon as they began useing the powers of chaos they became consumed by it's influence very quickly.
kronk wrote: There must be some serious balance issues with the Thousand Sons. Dang.
I think they said before that they want to get the psychic abilities of the Thousands Sons just right. And with the new psychic rules in 7th Edition, that might have thrown a wrench in the works.
And, who knows, maybe it's not just the Thousands Sons that are being difficult? Something tells me the Space Wolves could be a problem, too, as they might not follow the core Legion army list as much as the other Legions do.
I also seem to remember someone saying they don't want the 1Kson's play style to end up being "30k grey knights", and want to make sure they do something unquie with them.
I would imagen this is going to be a issue with the ultra's, Blood angels, Space Wolves, and Dark Angels to boot. Since I'd imagen they want them to play like their 40k verstions well also doing something new and getting the "Legion feel" just right.
Probley why the legions don't feature as much in the up comeing book.
I hope they are taking their time with it because they want it to be great, rather than just padding it out as a money making exercise. Not that I can be terribly annoyed because the models on show at the weekender were amazing.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Pushed back 1-2 years? This is kinda getting silly.
And as for this:
-Don't expect Skitari anytime soon"
... all I can say is why not? The third HH books gives a full breakdown of the Heresy-era Mechanicum, and the Skitarii are one of the major wings of that organisation. We need them!
Yah that realy bugs me too. I also don't like the "Not quite evil yet" dark Mechanicum. That bugs me, since in the book " Mechanicum" it bassicly says the diffrence between the Mechanicum and Dark Mechanicum became night and day once they opened up that tomb. Opening up that tomb if I recall was also when they choosed to start calling themselves the Dark Mechanicum.
The Dark Mechanicum wasn't quite the slow corruption the legions suffered, as soon as they began useing the powers of chaos they became consumed by it's influence very quickly.
kronk wrote: There must be some serious balance issues with the Thousand Sons. Dang.
I think they said before that they want to get the psychic abilities of the Thousands Sons just right. And with the new psychic rules in 7th Edition, that might have thrown a wrench in the works.
And, who knows, maybe it's not just the Thousands Sons that are being difficult? Something tells me the Space Wolves could be a problem, too, as they might not follow the core Legion army list as much as the other Legions do.
I also seem to remember someone saying they don't want the 1Kson's play style to end up being "30k grey knights", and want to make sure they do something unquie with them.
I would imagen this is going to be a issue with the ultra's, Blood angels, Space Wolves, and Dark Angels to boot. Since I'd imagen they want them to play like their 40k verstions well also doing something new and getting the "Legion feel" just right.
Probley why the legions don't feature as much in the up comeing book.
Well, for the Dark Mechanicum stuff, it was very rapid on Mars, but that is just one, very well interconnected planet. It makes sense for it to have taken much longer for the influence of Chaos to disseminate throughout the Expeditionary fleets and Mechanicum outposts.
As for the Legions, that makes sense for all of them except Ultramarines. They should play almost exactly the same, because their Legion was the blueprint for all Codex chapters post-heresy.
I'm becoming really curious about Sisters of Silence- how they'll look and play. I also think I may be starting a Space Wolf legion when this book finally comes around.
I don't mind waiting as long as there is a steady flow of new stuff. But I'll echo the disconcerted reaction to the news that we shouldn't expect Skitarii anytime soon. They're a very important part of the Mechanicum's forces; it shouldn't be taking this long for us to get them if they're going to be bringing out so many books with Mechanicum stuff in it.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Pushed back 1-2 years? This is kinda getting silly.
And as for this:
-Don't expect Skitari anytime soon"
... all I can say is why not? The third HH books gives a full breakdown of the Heresy-era Mechanicum, and the Skitarii are one of the major wings of that organisation. We need them!
Perhaps they're waiting for 8th edition which should sadly be out by that time at this rate...
-Expecting Conquest by the end of this year, but likely not available at UKGD
Games Day UK before the end of the year? So GD US might be this fall like I was told by one of the GW staff at last year’s GD (no he wasn't a red shirt, he was the one who used to do the trivia before the seminars).
This year’s event was once again crammed full with all things Heresy-related. There were some great new models on display and to buy. Tony Cottrell and Alan Bligh revealed details of what’s in store for our Horus Heresy range over the coming months and even provided some sneak peeks of what we've got lined up for the future. There was a special campaign being played plus the chance for everyone to chat with and learn from the artists and designers from the Forge World Studio.
I got to meet more than a few of you from behind the Forge World Sales stand, and it seems you all had a great time. For those of you who couldn't get a ticket to the event, here’s a brief glimpse of what happened.
One of the biggest reveals of the weekend – Vulkan of the Salamanders Legion,
the next Primarch to be unleashed.
Mark Bedford helped eager hobbyists improve their skills.
Stuart Williamson was on hand teaching battle damage and detailing.
The Cerastus Knight-Lancers strode to war alongside the Thanatar and the full Mechanicum Cohort.
Our new Mechanicum-themed display board looked fantastic.
That’s barely the tip of the iceberg! I’ll be back next week with more on what happened at the Horus Heresy Weekender 2014, including the winner of the prestigious Forge World painting award.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
Chris.
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Another 1-2 years for my beloved Thousand Sons? Darn. I get the feeling that they will be pretty popular as well and there will probably be another year on top of that while all the models are released. Plenty of time to save up some money I guess...
tyrannosaurus wrote: Mortarion - again another miniature I'm not overly impressed with, and again designed by Edgar Skomorowski. I've loved all of the ones designed by Simon Egan, but Edgar's characters are very forgettable. For such a high profile line they should really make sure that their best designers are working on them.
EDIT - oh, and wtf is on the end of silence, a weird little miniature chainblade? on a massive scythe? Just looks silly.
It's definitely a matter of taste because I think Typhon and Lorgar are the best designed primarchs so far
Darth Bob wrote: I don't mind waiting as long as there is a steady flow of new stuff. But I'll echo the disconcerted reaction to the news that we shouldn't expect Skitarii anytime soon. They're a very important part of the Mechanicum's forces; it shouldn't be taking this long for us to get them if they're going to be bringing out so many books with Mechanicum stuff in it.
Depending on how many guys you get in the Auxilia kits, you could probably make some decent looking Skitarii from those.
tyrannosaurus wrote: Mortarion - again another miniature I'm not overly impressed with, and again designed by Edgar Skomorowski. I've loved all of the ones designed by Simon Egan, but Edgar's characters are very forgettable. For such a high profile line they should really make sure that their best designers are working on them.
EDIT - oh, and wtf is on the end of silence, a weird little miniature chainblade? on a massive scythe? Just looks silly.
It's definitely a matter of taste because I think Typhon and Lorgar are the best designed primarchs so far
I'm a big fan of the Vulkan and Ferrus models myself. Though that might have to do with the particularly smashtastic hammers they have (Plus- Loyalist all the way baby- Cleanse the traitors!)
tyrannosaurus wrote: Mortarion - again another miniature I'm not overly impressed with, and again designed by Edgar Skomorowski. I've loved all of the ones designed by Simon Egan, but Edgar's characters are very forgettable. For such a high profile line they should really make sure that their best designers are working on them.
EDIT - oh, and wtf is on the end of silence, a weird little miniature chainblade? on a massive scythe? Just looks silly.
It's definitely a matter of taste because I think Typhon and Lorgar are the best designed primarchs so far
Typhon is actually a first captain, not a Primarch. Mortarion would be the primarch for the Death Guard. Mortarion turned out pretty good. Lorgar is just okay to me, I think his face looks too old and weathered. I do think Egans work is the best, theres definitely a difference in style from him and Edgar, you can tell. Egan has a lot of true details and bits and Edgar has a lot of lined/carved in detail on armor plates.
Darth Bob wrote: I don't mind waiting as long as there is a steady flow of new stuff. But I'll echo the disconcerted reaction to the news that we shouldn't expect Skitarii anytime soon. They're a very important part of the Mechanicum's forces; it shouldn't be taking this long for us to get them if they're going to be bringing out so many books with Mechanicum stuff in it.
Depending on how many guys you get in the Auxilia kits, you could probably make some decent looking Skitarii from those.
tyrannosaurus wrote: Mortarion - again another miniature I'm not overly impressed with, and again designed by Edgar Skomorowski. I've loved all of the ones designed by Simon Egan, but Edgar's characters are very forgettable. For such a high profile line they should really make sure that their best designers are working on them.
EDIT - oh, and wtf is on the end of silence, a weird little miniature chainblade? on a massive scythe? Just looks silly.
It's definitely a matter of taste because I think Typhon and Lorgar are the best designed primarchs so far
I'm a big fan of the Vulkan and Ferrus models myself. Though that might have to do with the particularly smashtastic hammers they have (Plus- Loyalist all the way baby- Cleanse the traitors!)
Loyalist eh? Technically speaking Horus only went "Traitor" because Erebus said that The Emperor was planning on killing off the Primarchs, so Horus was only doing what he thought right for his brothers and himself
-Expecting Conquest by the end of this year, but likely not available at UKGD
Games Day UK before the end of the year? So GD US might be this fall like I was told by one of the GW staff at last year’s GD (no he wasn't a red shirt, he was the one who used to do the trivia before the seminars).
I thought Games Day had been dumped in the UK? But that's for another thread...
Vulkan looks awesome but still waiting on Corax myself!
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