It would be pretty funny if the new free character was an homage to a pointless character from some disappointing Tron sequel. Especially if her pose looks good.
Breotan wrote: They need a "not" Sam & Dean from Supernatural.
Well there is a veritable dearth of space oriented Supernatural episodes after all...
As cool as those characters are I think the "futuristic/techno/space" motif Sedition Wars is going for would be better suited with a Cyborg "with the head like a novelty condom" or yet another Not-Who over a couple of lads who chase down ghosts and demons.
zedmeister wrote: The Vin Kor "Not-Riddick" model. Hmmm. Looks fantastic, but doesn't really fit the aesthetic of the universe. Probably will end up flogging mine.
Well, to be fair, I believe only one of the KS characters (the Engineer guy) is likely to be sticking around "in-universe" as part of the Seditio Wars setting - and when he gets a general release, he'll have a different set of kit.
I am wondering how big the Kara in the Gnosis suit is. What size base is it on? 40mm?
The squares seem to be 25mmx25mm on the tiles given. Wish I could use some of the Hirst Arts 1.5 inch tiles but they're too large I am thinking. Shame, as I like them more than the 1"/25mm styled ones they have. Might need to make and cast my own.
I'm not too keen on the not Riddick model, nothing wring with the sculpt, which is ace but the legs look strange to me.
But hey, I liked that ladyboy mechanic figure that every one was up in arms about so YMMV.
As for the news, at least we have something concrete now. a few weeks makes little differance to me unless they bumble into the Christmas post thing and it turns into a big delay. Looks like we will get the game long before that though.
...and in a by now classic example of CMoN/McVey communication, the unboxing video promised on their forums to be done and posted last week, is still nowhere to be found.
...or am I missing something?
Well they said the last of the minis due for the Biohazard backers would (hopefully) be done by the 10th Nov
Assuming that happened 2 days (one of which was a sunday) is not much time to get a box from China to the UK, so I'd give them another week or two before getting worked up about it
If you live outside the US or UK, don't expect anything until January, as the post often gets a bit ...congested at this time of year. Not sure about the speed of Europeans getting things shipped from the UK.
It's possible to get things earlier, just not a good idea to expect them earlier.
I don't think they expected this kind of success. This kind of kickstarter can launch a small company into being a mid level player in the industry. I'm sure everyone will get their product in a timely manner and of high quality.
It's the stretch goals. The extras.... It's not gonna be instant it'll take time.
It's a kickstarter.... fund it and wait or buy the product hen it goes on sale and loose the freebies and still wait
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951k says people believe and should keep the faith. So what if CMON or the studio isn't posting news... personally I invest and don't need my hand held afterwards. If its 6 months late then I'll sweat it.
Calm down. You're coming across more than a little strong here. No-one here is calling for McVey's head on a pike or viciously upset at not getting their stuff yet. Look at how demanding and unreasonable my last post was. Right?
Buy having said that, $951k was spent based on the promises. What promises?
Pledge $100 or more
3454 backers
Biohazard! - Everything from the Quarantine Zone, a special edition Kara in resin, and a sexy Vanguard patch! Ships free in the USA! Add $25 for international shipping.
Estimated delivery: Nov 2012
So maybe calm down on the silly over-the-top stuff?
I'd suggest that with almost a million dollars invested, that they actually owe it to the investors to keep them up to date. Reaper is managing to do it and they made a lot more. Dreamforge is managing to do it, and they made a lot less. Mantic made not nearly as much and almost as much across two campaigns and have managed to do it for both. If being so demanding that I'd like occasional updates every few weeks for the pile of money I sent them several months ago makes me an "overly demanding entitlement whore" or some such, then so be it.
But yeah, people here aren't getting bent out of shape about the delays. We're actually being pretty reasonable and hopeful, if anything.
Key word I think is 'estimated'. Stretch goals = stretched delivery unfortunately, I think that much is certain. Either way, I'm as impatient as the next guy, but it will get here when it gets here.
I see a lot of other Kickstarters allow people to get into their deals after the fact although at a higher price point. Is that the same with this one?
Justyn wrote: I see a lot of other Kickstarters allow people to get into their deals after the fact although at a higher price point. Is that the same with this one?
You had a while (2-3 weeks I think) after the KS where you could mail CMON and get included at KS prices, but that's long past now
Just shooting the unboxing video today - sorry for the delay on that. Everything we do seems to take twice as long as we plan for at the moment...
We're slowly getting more organised though.
Hopefully it will be posted before the end of the day.
cheers!
mike"
so with luck (and the favour of the internet gods) we might see what's 'in the box' by the end of the day!
Automatically Appended Next Post: What a busy day, Mike also posted about the 'sorry for the delay' free figure
"Hi guys.
Just a quick post on this.
The bonus figure isn't going to be another homage character - but someone squarely part of the SW narrative. A little preview of the Firebrand faction really.
cheers!
mike"
I'm not sure whether to hope for a plastic one of the cool Firebrand figures out in metal already, or something new and cool for the faction
Ooh, looking good! I don't know why, but I was sort of expecting a vacuformed plastic 'shell' which individual models could lie in, but I'm probably mistaken Doesn't really matter, wasn't exactly planning to carry this around in the box anyway! those tiles took lovely too, I'm glad I got "we've got movement!" in the end; this'll fill up a DH or so session nicely several times
Bolognesus wrote: Ooh, looking good! I don't know why, but I was sort of expecting a vacuformed plastic 'shell' which individual models could lie in, but I'm probably mistaken Doesn't really matter, wasn't exactly planning to carry this around in the box anyway! those tiles took lovely too, I'm glad I got "we've got movement!" in the end; this'll fill up a DH or so session nicely several times
The miniatures come unassembled, so a vacformed tray wouldn't really work that well It's nice to see some movement on this; the video makes it all look great!
Would have been nice to see some of the actual miniatures assembled. I'm kind of surprised they pulled them off the sprue and bagged them, seams like an expensive and unnecessary process.
Bolognesus wrote: Ooh, looking good! I don't know why, but I was sort of expecting a vacuformed plastic 'shell' which individual models could lie in, but I'm probably mistaken Doesn't really matter, wasn't exactly planning to carry this around in the box anyway! those tiles took lovely too, I'm glad I got "we've got movement!" in the end; this'll fill up a DH or so session nicely several times
The miniatures come unassembled, so a vacformed tray wouldn't really work that well It's nice to see some movement on this; the video makes it all look great!
as I said, mistake is mine will probably be ordering the foam sometime soon, just to be able to take a single set somewhere for some basic games
Andrew1975 wrote: Would have been nice to see some of the actual miniatures assembled. I'm kind of surprised they pulled them off the sprue and bagged them, seams like an expensive and unnecessary process.
The moulds they have will produce single figures will no sprue to remove, they'll just drop into a bin.
Many will be single part so just need to be popped onto the bases. Only a few of them are multipart like the grendler
one of the moulds for a samaritan trooper is shown below, the picture was taken while it was being fine tuned, hence the red gunk use to show where it's meeting etc
Nicole little video there! The guy had a painfully slow way of turning the pages but the actual product looks great, now show me the minis already! Interested to see how the plastics look in comparison to the resin masters, I am expecting them to e quite a bit softer looking but I can live with that.
Is that "gaming standard" model a few post up plastic? If so it looks like it retained more detail than I first thought.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Never mind, answered my own question, yes, yes it is plastic!
Yes that's one of the Plastic minis in the post above - Mike said in the video the detail isn't quite as good as the resins but better than the metal versions - I've painted a resin version of that same mini above and I don't see to much difference in the detail. Ali was planning to paint up up a plastic and resin the exact same at some stage to see if people could spot which is which
Is it the stuff you use regular plastic glue with, or the hard plastic that requires super glue?
I believe at some point they stated it's the harder style like PP uses. I think it was in one of the KS updates(maybe the comments as opposed to the actual update), but I'm too lazy to find it for everyone.
Well, a lot of them were supposed to be either single-piece or two-part models (just a separate gun, or something).
that grendlr at 7 or so pieces could just be a boatload of fun though, in this material (not that it's bad but it can warp a little, I believe. should be quite similar to mantic's restic which can turn modelling n00bies to tears in some models ). make sure to have some liquid green stuff standing by
well, most sprues are plastic cement compatible - I seem to remember these models aren't your bog standard polystyrene.
many people associate PS with sprues and vice versa, so I think that's it.
Mike McVey wrote:
The plastics will be somewhere in between - not quite as hard as styrene, but close. The same as Privateer Press plastics. The detail is really good and they paint up very well.
CMON wrote:
[The miniatures are made from the] exact same stuff as Warmachine, Super Dungeon Explore etc; i.e. plastic, just not polystyrene. The only resin miniature in the box will be the special edition Kara that ships with Biohazard level pledges.
from the BGG "what we know so far" page/thread/thingy.
so no plastic cement but CA, and be prepared to do some heating and bending here and there on the multiparts
Funny, that dragon doesn't look all that complicated in the assembly instruction sheet. 11 parts incl. base, and they're all slotted it seems. Did it just not fit together?
The SDE models are rife with problems, including pieces that are tiny and have miniscule contact points as well as parts that don’t line up or fit together properly. The Dragon is the best example as it has multiple different pieces that must go together in a set order otherwise it doesn’t quite work – kind’ve like a 3d jigsaw puzzle that has to be put together simultaneously otherwise the whole thing falls apart. The instructions on the website helped make an unbearable situation slightly less torturous, but it wasn’t good. This is why the minis in the SDE expansions come pre-built.
Gabe from Penny Arcade put it best when he said that after building the SDE models the last thing he wanted to do was actually playSDE. I had much the same view, as did a lot of people. Thankfully the game is awesome, so once you get over the maddening frustrating of constructing the models you’re left with a great party game.
I do not foresee the same problems with the Sedition Wars minis, despite the materiel they’re made from.
ah, I see. well, we'll have to see how much grief those grendlrs will cause, but going by the parts picture I seem to remember from the mcvey forum a while ago we'll probably just be GSing a rather nasty gap or two, but no complex fit issues luckily
I used greenstuff on every single SDE model. I wasn't taking any chances.
It is rare that I get completely apoplectic when constructing miniatures. Aside from the SDE minis the only other two times have been when putting together the 100% resin FW Stormblade (I almost threw that thing at a wall), and the second generation Iron Wind Metals 'Blood Asp' BattleTech mini (that did end up sailing across the room). I can't imagine a few gribbly Strain models would have the same effect.
ooh, I remember that stormblade. had to break out all kinds of power tools before that went anywhere. That bad, huh?
...for a product targeting boardgamers? yowza, that must have been quite the row
Andrew1975 wrote: Would have been nice to see some of the actual miniatures assembled. I'm kind of surprised they pulled them off the sprue and bagged them, seams like an expensive and unnecessary process.
The moulds they have will produce single figures will no sprue to remove, they'll just drop into a bin.
Many will be single part so just need to be popped onto the bases. Only a few of them are multipart like the grendler
one of the moulds for a samaritan trooper is shown below, the picture was taken while it was being fine tuned, hence the red gunk use to show where it's meeting etc
Spoiler:
Still seams like an extra headache and extra expense. You could push out on one or two big sprues instead of 50 individual models. Is this because of the type of material used to make the minis?
Instead of whining in advance we could just wait until the product arrives?!
There are literally thousands of thermo- and duroplasts and we do not know which exactly was used for the SW-minis. The only thing we know at the momen is that we need CA-glue as with most duroplasts.
Still seams like an extra headache and extra expense. You could push out on one or two big sprues instead of 50 individual models. Is this because of the type of material used to make the minis?
I think there are 2 factors at play
1. Multi-item sprues take a lot more fiddling to get right, as the plastic flows through the mould you can get backflow & eddies due to the shapes & complex sprue pathways leading to incomplete casts (this is one of the reasons old plastic sprues were so 'empty' to avoid it, the new GW 'full' sprues require a lot more time and money to fine tune(
a bit more speculative this, but it fits with what I've read about injection moulding and what Bryan from Reaper has said about their Bones project which is a different plastic but still going the sprueless route.
2. The single figure moulds are actually really small, and I suspect this is beacuse they are being done in a machine opperating at lower pressure (no need to force the liquid plastic so far)
possibly temperature than one used for conventional polystyrene moulding (Reapers plastic is liquid at 500 degrees and solidifies by 400)
this may be helping with either speed,
factory availability (no point going to a factory that just isn't up to standard, look at what happened with mantics goblins on traditional sprues, decent greens, horrible plastics)
or maybe cost again (smaller blocks of steel & less machining
*Edit* Not going to feed the obvious troll in this topic since it will only result in me being moderated for nothing and him staying in topic, flaming people.
Still seams like an extra headache and extra expense. You could push out on one or two big sprues instead of 50 individual models. Is this because of the type of material used to make the minis?
I think there are 2 factors at play
1. Multi-item sprues take a lot more fiddling to get right, as the plastic flows through the mould you can get backflow & eddies due to the shapes & complex sprue pathways leading to incomplete casts (this is one of the reasons old plastic sprues were so 'empty' to avoid it, the new GW 'full' sprues require a lot more time and money to fine tune(
a bit more speculative this, but it fits with what I've read about injection moulding and what Bryan from Reaper has said about their Bones project which is a different plastic but still going the sprueless route.
2. The single figure moulds are actually really small, and I suspect this is beacuse they are being done in a machine opperating at lower pressure (no need to force the liquid plastic so far)
possibly temperature than one used for conventional polystyrene moulding (Reapers plastic is liquid at 500 degrees and solidifies by 400)
this may be helping with either speed,
factory availability (no point going to a factory that just isn't up to standard, look at what happened with mantics goblins on traditional sprues, decent greens, horrible plastics)
or maybe cost again (smaller blocks of steel & less machining
Thanks. Makes sense. Plus not putting everything on one big sprue is less flexible I guess. There are plenty of miniatures GW put on some of those big sprues that people wish they could get separately.
On a completely unrelated note, I suddenly had an idea last night. Does anyone think the Hellbrute from the Dark Vengeance set would make a really neat strain model, with it's semi-organic looks?
Maybe it could be some sort of bulk ship cargo loader that has been infected. Or maybe even a purpose-formed strain model, like the Cthonian or Grendlr, rather than something infected. It of course would be assumed that the obviously Chaos icons would be greenstuff-ed over as well, probably with more organic texture.
...naah, firstly it's organic on a mechanical base, not the other way around as the strain are, and aside from that it looks too... crude for the rather sleek SW setting.
the closest GW Chaos marines come to SW-suitable is that abominable maulerfiend thing, which, with a LOT of converting, might actually make a half-decent bigger brother to the grendlr.
I was just wondering as even though it's mainly mechanical, the Cthonian and Grendlr are described as the first of the Strain's purpose-build beings powered by some sort of Dark Energy, rather than corrupted humans.
Hmm. Well above all, the moment that thing arrives on your doorstep it's your game, meant for you to enjoy yourself with. If you think the hellbrute fits, if it looks good to you, go ahead and have fun! Taste is by definition subjective.
What I mean is that the whole premise of the model is different. it's bulky, angular and most of all, looks like someone plastered the interior of **the** most hideous over-9000sq.ft. gothic-styled palace over the top of it (which actually works for the model. draconically tasteless as it is, it fits the diabolic villains look perfectly and I rather like it - from the front at least!) whereas by contrast, SW Strain minis are sleek with lots of well-defined, but still relatively soft curves, with the 'mechanical' bits looking quite minimalistic and streamlined, at times.
Basically it's comparing a sportscar to an SUV. Both can be totally awesome, but they're hardly interchangeable.
Feth, SW Strain are closer to 40K 'Nids than they are to CSM...
You might be able to work it in as an 'infected' THI depending on how they scale together
Think an infected person last just long enough before 'straining' to have got into the THI suit, now the new strain is trying to get out through the suit, unsure whether it wants to use the human or new mechanical host
Didn't THI suits have something fancy that would prevent mutation in fluff, or was that a gnosis suit thing, or am I just hallucinating? I seem to remember something like that from some thread on the McVey SW forum.
Oh I dunno, I can see the Hellbrute working for the strain, albeit with some heavy converting. I just bought pledged for heaps of aliens in the trollforge kickstarter though so I have enough allies for the strain as it is!
Bolognesus wrote: Didn't THI suits have something fancy that would prevent mutation in fluff, or was that a gnosis suit thing, or am I just hallucinating? I seem to remember something like that from some thread on the McVey SW forum.
That was the Gnosis Armour as that is a specifically designed high end battle suit
The THI is basically as futuristic forklift truck & maintenance unit so would not have anything that fancy (maybe those the Firebrand rebels are fielding might have been upgraded but not all of them)
Think an infected person last just long enough before 'straining' to have got into the THI suit, now the new strain is trying to get out through the suit, unsure whether it wants to use the human or new mechanical host
the thi suit is terminator sized the hellbrute is about trice as high and wide so wouldnt work for a thi , but could work for a hvy lifter or maybe a cheaper older version of the knosis armour ?
most relevant part (the rest is worth a read as well):
.....Battle for Alabaster in 100% finished and waiting to be loaded onto boats in China - as soon as it touches down the Kickstarter orders will be shipped and dispatched, followed shortly afterwards by the regular retail release.....
...We have also been hard at work creating all the new content generated by the Kickstarter campaign - with some really great sculpts being made and exciting scenarios written. I'll post some of the material here as soon as I get the chance.....
most relevant part (the rest is worth a read as well):
.....Battle for Alabaster in 100% finished and waiting to be loaded onto boats in China - as soon as it touches down the Kickstarter orders will be shipped and dispatched, followed shortly afterwards by the regular retail release.....
...We have also been hard at work creating all the new content generated by the Kickstarter campaign - with some really great sculpts being made and exciting scenarios written. I'll post some of the material here as soon as I get the chance.....
I thought we were at that point a month or so ago when the pictures of the pallets were posted...
I thought we were at that point a month or so ago when the pictures of the pallets were posted...
~Eric
Remember 1/3 of the copies were delayed due to Chinese printer shenanigans. Even if those pictured were sitting in a warehouse in the UK, they won't ship till they can meet all the orders. The anger and outrage over the Zombicide fiasco shows supporters will have zero tolerance if it seems that some people are not getting their copies the same time as everyone else. Let everyone wait instead of having a fraction get angry and cancel because they didn't have theirs when everyone else is showing off their Christmas copies.
they will, don't worry basically, everything aside from midgard delvers and skittersneak stealers is about ready to go for the november shipment; and those will be with them this week.
it should all ship before december, so we can be reasonably sure we'll get it in time
silent25 wrote: Remember 1/3 of the copies were delayed due to Chinese printer shenanigans. Even if those pictured were sitting in a warehouse in the UK, they won't ship till they can meet all the orders. The anger and outrage over the Zombicide fiasco shows supporters will have zero tolerance if it seems that some people are not getting their copies the same time as everyone else. Let everyone wait instead of having a fraction get angry and cancel because they didn't have theirs when everyone else is showing off their Christmas copies.
The anger and outrage over the Zombicide fiasco was because CMON started selling copies at conventions before they'd finished sending out preorders, not because some preorderers got theirs before other preorderers.
Remember in one of the earlier updates Mike did say that the stuff was going on a fast ship, so I wouldn't discount the possibilty of it getting in in time for Xmas shipping
The big ? will be customs deciding it's not weapons of mass destruction, illegal imigrants or drugs fast enough
...True. that is still three weeks however, plus handling so don't hold your breath (with the abysmally slow/unreliable UK-NL shipping of late I'm actually 100% sure I'm not getting it in time)
i get a few things that are shipped from china and they normaly take 2 weeks by sea ,so with this lot having to be checked by customs i guessing its gona be at least 3 weeks plus at least 2 weeks to get them sorted/addressed at studio mcvey so i wouldnt hold my breath ...early new year in thinking .
CURNOW wrote: i get a few things that are shipped from china and they normaly take 2 weeks by sea ,so with this lot having to be checked by customs i guessing its gona be at least 3 weeks plus at least 2 weeks to get them sorted/addressed at studio mcvey so i wouldnt hold my breath ...early new year in thinking .
Hmm two weeks would be the absolute top speed ships available; if they use that it's gonna cost them quite a bit more (actually I'd be all for getting my game a bit later if it made a substantial difference to the McVey's profit margin; slower shipping is substantially easier on the environment as well. Oh well, never mind anyway ).
still even at two weeks as you say, it ain't going to be before christmas unless everything goes silky smooth and even then only UK residents will have theirs in time
Okay - looks like another update is in order. I promise that I don't hold off posting here to frustrate people, it's just hard to know when to post if there is nothing definite to say (and I'm not going to post a report every day saying "sorry, no news today!").
I'm pretty frustrated at this point too - the game is 100% done and ready as it has been for a while, but the intricacies of the shipping process are a mystery to me, and I speak as someone who has arranged and coordinated many shipments from China over the years. The last I heard (today) was that it was still in the booking process - which means they are finding suitable boats to load the goods onto. This is what usually causes delays - it's not like shipping a single package that will always take around the same time, and transport for that package leaves on a regular basis. The shipping agent has to find a suitable boat (i.e., that is headed where you want the goods, and has room), and book onto that. If there is a delay it may miss that boat and have to wait for another - I have even had goods taken off a boat that was damaged in port and had to be loaded onto another.
So yes - the bad news is, it seems highly unlikely that the game will make it into your hands before Christmas, and I can't even begin to tell you how sad that makes me. We've worked long and hard on this product with the sole intention of letting people play it and (hopefully) have a great time. The reality is though - once it's in the production process, it's largely out of my hands - and that's pretty frustrating. The most I can do it beg, plead, shout and cajole to try and speed things along - sometimes that helps and sometimes it doesn't. The truth is also - the KS created a lot more work - new components and a double sized production run, and we underestimated how long that was going to take to run through the factories. Then we had the melt-down with the printing company, which we came out of relatively unscathed, apart from making things later. Believe me, that could have gone A LOT worse for us...
In the mean time, all I can do it take care of the things that are within my control - and that's the extra figures and content for the Kick-starter rewards, (which are going really well) and continue to work on Sedition Wars: AoS (which I am extremely excited about!).
So that's the update - not great news I'm afraid. I promise though, as soon as I know the games are on the ocean, I'll post the news here.
Now we can hopefully go back to news, previews and rumors on the game itself rather than idle Christmas wish-listing!
Not exactly idle for me. Unless I can guarantee that it will be delivered in the first three weeks of January before I move, there's no telling when/if I'll get mine as I need to e-mail CMoN with a different address and hope they oblige(they'd better, since we don't have a choice in moving thanks to the Pentagon). Even then, I need to have it sent to my in-laws since we may not know the address on whatever place we may rent or buy in time and they're the closest to where we're going(3 hour drive).
No problem, everything else is locked, the address you can alter
they will lock this address changing 'close' to the shipping date so you might want to change it to your inlaws now and then change it again (if you can) when you know where you'll be stationed just to be safe
(as we don't know how 'close' is 'close' if you see what I mean)
I'll have to come up with a new plan to sneak this into the house. As I now won't be able to do it in xmas wrapping paper. They sound gutted in that latest update. Must be very frustating for them.
DaveC wrote: New Update from Mike on the Studio McVey forum:
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The truth is also - the KS created a lot more work - new components and a double sized production run, and we underestimated how long that was going to take to run through the factories.
...
In the mean time, all I can do it take care of the things that are within my control - and that's the extra figures and content for the Kick-starter rewards...
This nicely ties into something we were talking about earlier, regarding these really successful kickstarters overwhelming small business concerns. Notice also, beyond overwhelming their capacity for putting out the real product, the immense work now being expended for what is, essentially, dead-end product.
That is, the kickstarter rewards (some of which are looking quite nice), don't have the capacity to bring in new business, no matter how good they are. They were limited (unless I am very much misremembering) to the kickstarter only.
In this type of situation, I think that some of the later kickstarters have had the right idea: make the deal sweet for pledgers, but don't obligate yourself to produce a lot of one-shot material. Consider Dreamforge, which has only 2 (spectacular, in fairness) kickstarter exclusive models (Ada and the Feral Handler), and Dreadball, which has very little KS exclusive material (a couple of MVPs I think, and some trophies?).
Sedition Wars, by contrast has... a dozen character models to make that are limited editions? Of course, the ultimate expression of the later business model is probably Reaper, where the only exclusive pieces were... uh, Sophie? Seriously, was there anything else?
It's a total of eighteen, I believe (strain infected sculpts add up!); however, only six of those are 'freebies'. The other 12 have been sold as "limited edition" extras at $5 a pop. Not only will they have sold two to three thousand of each, on average (4250 backers, many will have not bought them, but plenty got multiples; it's weird to see what the 'LE bug' can do on KS projects ), which they'll *easily* make a good profit on; they only had to give a few freebies in the main set to show enough stretch goals to keep folks interested in promoting their campaign for them.
as long as they can get enough sculptors together to get it all done it's a nice extra profit for them.
Because they got folks to essentially preorder them 9 months in advance, and in great bulk, they can produce them dirt cheap in plastic, shipping them along with packages which would already ship anyway and let's face it: a single 28mm plastic figure isn't all that big or heavy Really, I think these kinds of add-ons actually make the most money of all for a campaign like this!
Never understood the point of creating a LE model for a very limited run (such as KS) paying the sculptor and production cost seems like a waste. Why not continue to profit from it?
If anything make it semi-available. Allowed to purchase why you buy $XXX.XX of product from the store.
Oh well.
I bought 6 of each LE model.
10 if you count the number of people piggy backed on me.
Mike has said that some of the LE models will be available from conventions and shows he attends in future. The glow in the dark set as well as the calamity crew I seem to remember being mentioned...
Piston Honda wrote: Never understood the point of creating a LE model for a very limited run (such as KS) paying the sculptor and production cost seems like a waste. Why not continue to profit from it?
If anything make it semi-available. Allowed to purchase why you buy $XXX.XX of product from the store.
Oh well.
I bought 6 of each LE model.
10 if you count the number of people piggy backed on me.
You probably answered your own question!
It whips the Crowd Funding... crowd into a frenzy, and gets close to 100% of the people who already backed to UP their pledge amount.
And, it gets people to buy more than one, as they are "Limited Edition" figures never to appear again for sale except for a lot of places down the road, sorta kinda maybe!
and actually these KS models will be a lot less limited than the normal Studio McVey models which are all limited to 750 units only,
my guess is the KS figures will be in the 3-4000 range (which is nice)
Automatically Appended Next Post: (well the resins are limited, the sedition wars metals are unlimited but before the KS probably wern't a mainstay of the business)
I don't have an ETA for the US sets, but they are also on the ocean, and I think they will hit land before Christmas.
More when I have it.
I will also have some more images of KS sculpts to post, as soon as I have time to set the camera up.
cheers,
mike
And this from Ali
You know the gutting thing for us is that this project was near as damn it on time until the small matter of the printer running off with all the company's money. We could have never have seen that coming. It was gutting news to get and ofcourse completely out of our hands.
What we do know is that we have a really great product (now we have one in hand)......and yes it's late but it is on it's way.
JAG is actually sat at our kitchen table reading the rule book as I type this
H.B.M.C. wrote: They mention UK and US copies. I am niether.
And "JAG"?
JAG - Jacques Alexandre Gillois freelance sculptor he is one of the sculptors for Studio McVey/Sedition Wars he sculpted the Grendlr amongst others.
He also sculpted the Phoenix for Kingdom Death:Monster
EU orders will ship from the UK all other orders ship from the US
So are all the figures sculpted and included, or is there to be separate shipping later on?
And is there still to be a free figure included due to there being a screwup previously?
Really wish that Mike and Ali would use Kickstarter to announce things rather than via a forum. If it wasn't for dakkadakka, I would likely still be in the dark.
All the bonus figures that were just concept art during the KS come in a sort of "Round Two" package. Around March next year I think (same time as the Zombicide ones I believe).
Fenriswulf wrote: So are all the figures sculpted and included, or is there to be separate shipping later on?
And is there still to be a free figure included due to there being a screwup previously?
Really wish that Mike and Ali would use Kickstarter to announce things rather than via a forum. If it wasn't for dakkadakka, I would likely still be in the dark.
Mike & Ali can't update via KS, only the project creator CMON can (why they don't do so more often who knows)
Mike's getting a good few posts in today in answer to whether the Biohazard extras are on target for March..
"...The honest answer is - I *think so*. Many of the sculpts are done and ready for mastering, and the last ones are all under way (apart from one large and complex one - but that's scheduled).
The real challenge with the extra KS sculpts was booking time with sculptors who's work I thought fitted the range. The people I like to work with tend to be quite busy. Add to that the fact that I have 20+ new sculpts for AoS to get done as well, and it's quite a juggling act.
I can't give a definite 'ye's that they will be delivered in March - but we'll give it our best shot - and I'll keep you updated...
mike"
AoS is the first expansion so there will be 20 new sculpts for that when it's released the plan is to go straight to retail with AoS no Kickstarter.
Sounds like April-June, then. Silly me. I would have thought the right thing to do would be to finish delivering on the stuff people have already paid for months ago as part of funding the base game before prioritising the expansion.
Probably a good thing it's going straight to retail, really...
Scip, he gave the explanation - if the sculptors are booked then the sculptors are booked. And you act as if they can't do both have people sculpting models and them working on the expansion simultaneously.
Me thinks Scipio.au probably shouldn't back kickstarters.
Either way it is probably a good thing that there is no kickstarter for the next one. They made enough to get the ball rolling on everything and that's all they really needed. I do hope that they start to box and sell some of the individual models seperately though.
Hulksmash wrote: Me thinks Scipio.au probably shouldn't back kickstarters.
Either way it is probably a good thing that there is no kickstarter for the next one. They made enough to get the ball rolling on everything and that's all they really needed. I do hope that they start to box and sell some of the individual models seperately though.
mike has said they will be selling the figures as "UNITS " once its all sorted {im guessing its only going to be from the studio mcvey shop}
Don't mind delays as long as they get it done right and I eventually get my product. Rushing and product and making mistakes means it will be a bad product forever with no future.
Regarding the first expansion, is it Firebrand only? or Firebrand with some Vanguard or Strain? or that other new faction Bounty Hunters.
The first expansion was originally intended to be a small extension to Battle for Alabaster adding additional corridor tiles and using the same factions but it has expanded into a much bigger game as you can see from the 20+ miniature sculpts required for it. The Firebrand and Bounty Hunters were due to be part of the second expansion but they may have changed that since as they developed the expansions work has been onging for awhile now. I don't know much more than you guys do about the expansions at this time.
BrookM wrote: Does this mean a pre-order might soon be cancelled and put up as an auction, as with Zombicide?
I have 3 Biohazard sets, if people are interested in buying one with all extras please make an offer to me via PM. You are responsible for full shipping costs when it arrives. (Selling a possible 2 sets)
H.B.M.C. wrote: Scip, he gave the explanation - if the sculptors are booked then the sculptors are booked. And you act as if they can't do both have people sculpting models and them working on the expansion simultaneously.
Actually, that's what Mike seems to be saying. Well, more that he'll be bumping some of the second-round KS sculpts (paid for) in order to get expansion sculpts done faster. Which is what I find annoying. If the sculptors are booked solid, then fine. But if they're available, IMO they should be working on the stuff that's paid for by the KS backers rather than on new stuff for the expansion.
Hulksmash wrote: Me thinks Scipio.au probably shouldn't back kickstarters.
It is starting to look that way, isn't it?
High expectations + somewhat inevitable delays = inescapable, bitter disappointment?
He might be better served spending his money only on 'in stock' items
Anyway.... cool to hear updates, and nice to hear about what is coming next - 20 new sculpts? Nice!
I'm ok with some delays. Nothing could be done about the printer that ran off with the money. It's disappointing, sure, but it's out of Mike's hands. Tre'/RBG was a bit ..ambitious about his shipping times, but in that thread I said both that I'd prefer a delay over rushed sculpts and not to stress about part-shipping orders, and to send them when they're done. Reaper originally said they'd have a huge pile of Sophies in my/our hands by September. Now it's nothing until March. Dreamforge will have the first run in my hands in.. October.
So yeah, I am growing a bit weary of "inevitable" delays (why are they all inevitable again? How is it the backer's fault?) but mostly I've just been accepting of it as "gak happens" and hopefully these companies will be better organised and more realistic next time.
On the other hand. I get a bit pissed off when:
1) Companies who make all kinds of communication right up until the money stops coming in disappear from the face of the earth, and a 2-minute email to the people who gave them $100k or $1m becomes way too much bother.
2) Companies decide that they want to run a second Kickstarter before they've finished delivering on the first.
3) Companies decide to prioritise other/new projects over delivering on their KS obligations ASAP.
For example, McVey falls into #3). RBG was almost #2). Dreamforge is none of the above. (though the Facebook thing is a bit annoying, but it's not quite anger-inducing). Trollforged is again, none of the above.
But yep, absolutely. The likelihood of me backing new Kickstarters is dropping all the time. The Damsels one has some nice looking digital sculpts, but there's nothing I need there, or stuff that's not just as well served by buying a few Reaper figures off the pegs. (I also scratch my head at the december projected delivery date - they might not even have the money from Amazon before Christmas). Imbrian Arts? Nice models, sure. But I can buy Rackham sculpts off eBay (or off SImon models) for the same or less.
One thing I"ll say for KD - he's set the delivery date so far back that with any decent amount of planning, he can only deliver on time or well before. A good move to avoid those nasty disappointments that keep coming along.
I think there's been a misunderstanding here all of the KS miniatures are either finished (Mike should have more pictures soon) or the sculptors have already been commissioned to do the miniatures and they are currently being sculpted and they will submit them soon once sculpted there is only 1 of KS miniatures left to sort out and from Mike's post it's either the Gnosis or Aphid suit but it's being sorted.
Ali posted earlier that JAG spent the weekend with them to go over the AoS concepts as he will be doing a lot of the work for them the McVeys need the book these sculptors in advance as most are in high demand right now and are working for several companies on their projects so you've got to get in line to get your miniatures sculpted.
@Scipio: Are you in for KD as well. Thought that would be up your alley.
Agree with the delays and comms comments. I think you are vocal about it but disappointed would be a fair comment.
As for companies prioritizing stuff from other projects before KS stuff, that's a reality in business sadly. Sure, would love them to fulfill stuff first, but they are under no obligation, it would just be goodwill. Goodwill could put food on the table long term, but after seeing my little brother start a small business, short term needs can come up very fast.
You have to understand the length of lead time involved in a project that's released as it's entirety as a single package like a boardgame (rather than piecemeal like minis wargames forces usually are), involving concept art, sculpting, the entire rigamarole of artwork proofing (for the rulebook and counters creation and layout), setting up schedules with printers and shippers, etc.
If they waited until everything was done for Battle for Alabaster before starting the next project's opening stages, who knows? It could be late 2013 or even maybe 2014 before it showed up in stores. And then people would be griping about the huge span of time between Battle for Alabaster and the next release.
I;m not saying it doesn;t seriously suck to not have the game shipping right now so I can play it, but my running theory is that as long as I get everything shipped to me that was promised for the Stage 1 Biohazard shipment, after this long I can probably live with late January as a delivery time, and then hope for a good Stage 2 timetable to show up soon afterwards.
I guess the best thing to do is not put all of your hobby eggs in kickstarter-baskets, and to perhaps see them as an investment that will eventually (hopefully) give you some great value miniatures. I've got other projects to do in the meantime and aren't that bothered about the delays (although a strain-attack in amongst mince pies and ginger wine might have been nice! ), so I don't have to stand each morning staring at my letter box and breathing heavily.
3) Companies decide to prioritise other/new projects over delivering on their KS obligations ASAP.
Lead time for board games is generally 1-2 years depending on the product. If you don´t start as soon as you have finished commisioning the first product your customers are in for a long wait...
Also McVey could either twiddle their thumbs after being finished with the preparations for Alabaster or already work on the follow-up product. Alabaster is in the pipline and McVey can only say yes or no to certain finals and questions and that´s as much as he can do now. Everything else is in the hands of the factory/transport company.
But I can buy Rackham sculpts off eBay (or off SImon models) for the same or less.
Of which most of these days are cheap chinese recasts....
DaveC / others who are familiar with multiple Kickstarters- do you have any information on the plastics used for the various CMON Kickstarters?
Zombiecide
Relic Knights
Sedition Wars
Different each one?
Also, was Super Dungeon Explore a CMON product?
I ask because Kingdom Death has said they are using the same PVC plastic source as Super Dungeon Explore and Privateer Press.
From what I've seen in-person, those 2 things are different than the Zombiecide plastic. And I hope that Sedition Wars is also using a higher quality plastic than the Zombiecide (which was rather soft on detail and a little bendy- fine for zombies, but not for the sharp sci-fi Sedition Wars look, imo).
Any info would be great! This might deserve a thread in Discussions, but it seems you guys don't have anything else to talk about here atm so I might was well bring it up here where some folks might be in the know.
Difficult to comment without having the miniatures but from information I’ve seen I believe Sedition Wars and Relic Knights are using a similar type of hard plastic it’s the same type PP use though they may not necessarily be using the same manufacturer and this is information that we’re never going to be given for commercial reasons. Quick aside here the reason that Studio McVey tend not to identify who sculpted their miniatures is that they have found that if they do the sculptor tends to get booked up by some other company and it makes it harder for them to book time with that sculptor in future. There are 5 or 6 sculptors that I know of working on BfA and AoS ranges.
I have a few of the Battle for Alabaster miniatures in resin and from looking at the production photos of the plastics and the painted versions they look very similar some of the details/edges may not be quite as sharp but that’s the compromise you get when you need to mass produce the miniatures at an affordable price. You will also see this on the pictures of Kingdom Death PVC experiment so it’s an across the board issue. I’ll try to post a comparison picture of an unpainted resin and plastic when I get the game. AFAIK the resins will not be released they are from the preproduction set and I was lucky enough to be sent a few samples by Mike and Ali.
Zombicide uses a different type of plastic it’s softer (I hate cleaning the mold lines off it) and while it may not hold the detail as well I’ve been impressed by the amount of detail on these miniature remember it was aimed at board gamers who probably won’t paint their miniatures and want something more robust. Soda Pop miniatures seem to have opted for this soft plastic for Caverns of Roxor as well which I bought last week however I can’t compare it to the main SDE game as I won’t have for another 3 ½ weeks (Christmas present from my family). CMON are the distributor for SDE their logo appears on the box and the supplements.
Comparing my Sedition Wars Metal & Resins, there is not quite a bit of difference honestly. One of my main reasons to drop $500+ on this bad boy of a Kickstarter was my confidence on the model quality even in plastic!
Im not worried about the quality i have every faith in mike and alI's high standards that they would allways use the best material for the job and wouldn't go ahead with the project if they were anyway unsure that the quality wasn't there.
And with it being delayed. At least i will have something to entertain me through those long January nights.
And with it being delayed. At least i will have something to entertain me through those long January nights.
Yep, waiting for a package that has not yet arrived!
How do you not wait for a package that hasn't arrived?
Ah um yeah lol what i ment was getting it after xmas instead of just before and the excitement getting lost amongst the new toys for xmas. Sooo 2mths of excitement.
DaveC wrote: Difficult to comment without having the miniatures but from information I’ve seen I believe Sedition Wars and Relic Knights are using a similar type of hard plastic it’s the same type PP use though they may not necessarily be using the same manufacturer and this is information that we’re never going to be given for commercial reasons. Quick aside here the reason that Studio McVey tend not to identify who sculpted their miniatures is that they have found that if they do the sculptor tends to get booked up by some other company and it makes it harder for them to book time with that sculptor in future. There are 5 or 6 sculptors that I know of working on BfA and AoS ranges.
I have a few of the Battle for Alabaster miniatures in resin and from looking at the production photos of the plastics and the painted versions they look very similar some of the details/edges may not be quite as sharp but that’s the compromise you get when you need to mass produce the miniatures at an affordable price. You will also see this on the pictures of Kingdom Death PVC experiment so it’s an across the board issue. I’ll try to post a comparison picture of an unpainted resin and plastic when I get the game. AFAIK the resins will not be released they are from the preproduction set and I was lucky enough to be sent a few samples by Mike and Ali.
Zombicide uses a different type of plastic it’s softer (I hate cleaning the mold lines off it) and while it may not hold the detail as well I’ve been impressed by the amount of detail on these miniature remember it was aimed at board gamers who probably won’t paint their miniatures and want something more robust. Soda Pop miniatures seem to have opted for this soft plastic for Caverns of Roxor as well which I bought last week however I can’t compare it to the main SDE game as I won’t have for another 3 ½ weeks (Christmas present from my family). CMON are the distributor for SDE their logo appears on the box and the supplements.
This is concerning to me, though. There is a ton of high quantity KS projects, but they're only good deals if the quality is there. You mention the latest SDE using soft plastic, this concerns me for the KD project since he said it's the same person.
I am spoiled by good resin, and even tempted by AoW Warcast when it becomes more available, and of course Trollcast coming up, and Wehrkind's casting for Brushfire.
I have so many models that I just don't need tons of low quality ones. I hope these are good, but it makes me glad I went with Dreamforge instead for my SciFi troopers, since I KNOW they're using good (GW-esque) plastic.
Having seen Zombiecide, it is NOT the deal I thought it was. Those are game pieces to me, not models to be painted. But most folks are pledging here for the models (on Dakka), so I am apprehensive that we've been hoodwinked.
I wouldn't worry about them using the softer plastic for Caverns of Roxor chibi style miniatures don't have nearly the same level of detail as other types of miniatures so the softer plastic works fine in this case. Relic Knights will use the harder plastic
You mean these pictures of the plastics - note these are tests and they had some clean up done afterwards before casting started properly and the bases are now cast in the same grey plastic per the unboxing video.
Thanks, DaveC. Not totally sure what I think of what I'm seeing here, though... from the front the trooper looks a bit soft. But thanks very much for the pics. A comparison side by side with your resins, when you get the plastics, would be awesome.
Will do - I have that first Strain and the female Vanguard but with a Grenade launcher arm.
I also have a male Vanguard painted up as a test piece for the colour scheme there's a few bits I want to do slightly differently and it was my first attempt at that type of visor - this is a resin mini.
If anyone's interested I did a painting guide for it on the Studio McVey forum if nothing else if will give you an idea of what colours I used.
To me those two models look to have the same level and sharpness of detail, which makes me happy. The second painted one comes off as sharper at first, but I think that's really a factor of the painter use darklining/washing and heavy amount of edge highlighting (which is very crisply executed) which makes the model as a whole pretty sharp looking.
Waist/hips width ratio is a bit different, too.
Well, it's only 5 min. work and a little bit of greenstuff on each model to make the female troopers have more or less the same armour as their male colleagues. I can live with that
Bolognesus wrote: Waist/hips width ratio is a bit different, too.
Well, it's only 5 min. work and a little bit of greenstuff on each model to make the female troopers have more or less the same armour as their male colleagues. I can live with that
Yeah, I felt that the proportions of the armor were fine as more subtle differences, just thought that the redesigned crotch armor was a bit funny. Imagining the fluff explanation for the differences...
Summary:
A reasonable apology on the delay, estimated shipping dates, and bio/concept for the apology figure.
The new character:
Conscript Vokker Dargu
Height: 1.35 meters
Weight: 80 kilograms
Eyes: Cybernetic implants – no retinal imprint
Hair: Black Gene-Index: Human/ Pre-augment
Conscript Inception Date: 201.10.4036 Solar Reckoning
Augments:
• Kyoshi Heavy Industries AG field generator
• Omnium Systems Meta-Cortical implant
• Kyoshi Heavy Industries Integrated Control Optics
Profile: Corporate insubordination charges <See attached records> led to Vokker Dargu’s downgrade from Full Citizen to Conscript Servile as an industrial technician third class. Due to an aptitude with gravity manipulators and a bio-signature with a low rejection threshold to cybernetic implantation he was involuntarily augmented and promoted to industrial technician first class. After serving in this capacity on good behaviour for thirteen years, his conscription restraints and cortical clamp were removed, and he was granted Provisional Release autonomy.
During a warranty based upgrade to his meta-cortical implant an unclassified code-entity breached his cortical firewall. The entity obliterated AI personality controls designed to keep his mind in check. System upgrade records indicate that the entity transferred in during an allegedly secure software upgrade. Without AI fail-safes in place, Vokker was free to act without worry of personality suppression.
His escape resulted in the deaths of twenty-eight medical and sixteen security personnel.
As per Rogue Conscript Protocol a warrant for Terminal Reclamation was issued 028.23.4039.1
Traceback disable commands to his cybernetics have failed and his whereabouts were unknown until the Conscript insurrection on Achilles.
Vanguard intelligence analysis indicates that his systems have been modified beyond current specifications, and he has been altered cosmetically to conceal his identity. His bio-signature was present during the co-ordinated attack on the Vanguard Bastion Arms of Sorrow, in which four hundred and seventy three Vanguard troopers and twenty four Special Forces elite were slain before the Arms of Sorrow could repel the six thousand attacking Conscripts. He was not among the casualties of that battle.
It is likely Vokker is serving as a combat co-ordinator in the Conscript uprising – Using tactical systems and precognition to lead pro-active counter-attacks on Vanguard forces. To date his bio-signs have been detected in fifty seven combat incidents with Vanguard troops.
He remains at large.
Capabilities:
Qualified for a Master level license with an AG generator, Vokker is an expert with kinetic fields and gravity suppression. His AG implant is capable of shifting a hundred kilograms of mass without strain. For manipulating larger masses he must be coupled with an external power supply. Even without external power, he can strike with kinetics to inflict lethal blows to anything within range of his AG field effectors.
His meta-cortex implant is a moderate grade cyber-brain. Vokker’s mind may house one or more expert systems capable of serving as tactical analysis and intelligence gathering meta-routines. Note that the Omnium implant allows limited quantum prediction, granting Vokker low grade precognitive ability and enhanced predictive instinct. Combined with his proficiency in AG field manipulation, he may be capable of deflecting directed projectile weapons fire. His sixth sense will be able to detect dangerous situations with a moderate degree of certainty. This is probably why he has avoided Reclamation for so long.
The Kyoshi Control Optics suite linked to his meta-cortex allows Vokker to index and co-ordinate the efforts of several other conscripts through remote communication. This system no doubt aids him in tactical unit co-ordination.
All of these systems are well concealed. Vokker can easily pass for a full citizen - albeit augmented - as long as his conscription transponder is suppressed and his conscript ID tattoo remains concealed. Assuming that these safeguards have not been removed already.
This combination of systems and his inconspicuous appearance makes Vokker effectively a sleeper agent capable of sensing events minutes before they occur and fading away from danger undetected. In addition, the rogue electronic entity that is currently installed within his cortex may have further capabilities that enhance him beyond his current specifications. His termination is a high priority, and reclamation of his systems vital to understanding the threat facing the Vanguard and the Solar Conglomerate.
There are going to be some on the second-hand market once the game's released. I'm selling off the extra Strain from the Biohazard set, but there will probably be someone in the UK who is doing the same.
This is a new miniature and is exclusive to KS backers.
I'm just going to take a snippet of his background and post it here and leave you to talk amoungst yourselves.
"His bio-signature was present during the co-ordinated attack on the Vanguard Bastion Arms of Sorrow, in which four hundred and seventy three Vanguard troopers and twenty four Special Forces elite were slain before the Arms of Sorrow could repel the six thousand attacking Conscripts. He was not among the casualties of that battle. "
Pm me mate, I backed the kickstarter primarily because I wanted the humans for a mate who plays IG, I will happily post you the strain set for next to feth all. I think they throw in an extra set as well anyway don't they? (one the initial kickstarter)
Summary:
A reasonable apology on the delay, estimated shipping dates, and bio/concept for the apology figure.
The new character:
Conscript Vokker Dargu
Height: 1.35 meters
Weight: 80 kilograms
Eyes: Cybernetic implants – no retinal imprint
Hair: Black Gene-Index: Human/ Pre-augment
Conscript Inception Date: 201.10.4036 Solar Reckoning
Augments:
• Kyoshi Heavy Industries AG field generator
• Omnium Systems Meta-Cortical implant
• Kyoshi Heavy Industries Integrated Control Optics
Profile: Corporate insubordination charges <See attached records> led to Vokker Dargu’s downgrade from Full Citizen to Conscript Servile as an industrial technician third class. Due to an aptitude with gravity manipulators and a bio-signature with a low rejection threshold to cybernetic implantation he was involuntarily augmented and promoted to industrial technician first class. After serving in this capacity on good behaviour for thirteen years, his conscription restraints and cortical clamp were removed, and he was granted Provisional Release autonomy.
During a warranty based upgrade to his meta-cortical implant an unclassified code-entity breached his cortical firewall. The entity obliterated AI personality controls designed to keep his mind in check. System upgrade records indicate that the entity transferred in during an allegedly secure software upgrade. Without AI fail-safes in place, Vokker was free to act without worry of personality suppression.
His escape resulted in the deaths of twenty-eight medical and sixteen security personnel.
As per Rogue Conscript Protocol a warrant for Terminal Reclamation was issued 028.23.4039.1
Traceback disable commands to his cybernetics have failed and his whereabouts were unknown until the Conscript insurrection on Achilles.
Vanguard intelligence analysis indicates that his systems have been modified beyond current specifications, and he has been altered cosmetically to conceal his identity. His bio-signature was present during the co-ordinated attack on the Vanguard Bastion Arms of Sorrow, in which four hundred and seventy three Vanguard troopers and twenty four Special Forces elite were slain before the Arms of Sorrow could repel the six thousand attacking Conscripts. He was not among the casualties of that battle.
It is likely Vokker is serving as a combat co-ordinator in the Conscript uprising – Using tactical systems and precognition to lead pro-active counter-attacks on Vanguard forces. To date his bio-signs have been detected in fifty seven combat incidents with Vanguard troops.
He remains at large.
Capabilities:
Qualified for a Master level license with an AG generator, Vokker is an expert with kinetic fields and gravity suppression. His AG implant is capable of shifting a hundred kilograms of mass without strain. For manipulating larger masses he must be coupled with an external power supply. Even without external power, he can strike with kinetics to inflict lethal blows to anything within range of his AG field effectors.
His meta-cortex implant is a moderate grade cyber-brain. Vokker’s mind may house one or more expert systems capable of serving as tactical analysis and intelligence gathering meta-routines. Note that the Omnium implant allows limited quantum prediction, granting Vokker low grade precognitive ability and enhanced predictive instinct. Combined with his proficiency in AG field manipulation, he may be capable of deflecting directed projectile weapons fire. His sixth sense will be able to detect dangerous situations with a moderate degree of certainty. This is probably why he has avoided Reclamation for so long.
The Kyoshi Control Optics suite linked to his meta-cortex allows Vokker to index and co-ordinate the efforts of several other conscripts through remote communication. This system no doubt aids him in tactical unit co-ordination.
All of these systems are well concealed. Vokker can easily pass for a full citizen - albeit augmented - as long as his conscription transponder is suppressed and his conscript ID tattoo remains concealed. Assuming that these safeguards have not been removed already.
This combination of systems and his inconspicuous appearance makes Vokker effectively a sleeper agent capable of sensing events minutes before they occur and fading away from danger undetected. In addition, the rogue electronic entity that is currently installed within his cortex may have further capabilities that enhance him beyond his current specifications. His termination is a high priority, and reclamation of his systems vital to understanding the threat facing the Vanguard and the Solar Conglomerate.
Sweet, I have an original resin version of this dude Mike gave me as a gift.
"His bio-signature was present during the co-ordinated attack on the Vanguard Bastion Arms of Sorrow, in which four hundred and seventy three Vanguard troopers and twenty four Special Forces elite were slain before the Arms of Sorrow could repel the six thousand attacking Conscripts. He was not among the casualties of that battle. "
Is this the first reference to the acronym for the expansion? If so, sneaky
Lord Baltimore wrote:Per Mike at Gencon- Arms of Sorrow. This is the name of the Bastion ship that Kara and her crew inhabit. I remember in the fluff somewhere Vokker Dargu and his firebrand cell attack the ship and kill many vanguard. Should be a fantastic release!!
From G_Q on Sedition Wars KS comments (from his post he helps CMON with the packing and shipping when they need extra staff and he's on standby to get the SW stuff posted) the boxed games have arrived in the US and are going through customs however the Biohazard extras due to ship in phase 1 are on different ship that hasn't arrived yet - the issue is with shipping company splitting the shipment apparently and is outside of CMON's control. They will not be posted until all parts are ready to go.
I hope Mike has hair left after all these "quirks" in shipping, lol. It's not like anyone can do anything about it, you just have to sigh and let it happen.
So exactly what's the lowdown on what's happening as of right now? As I understand it it's:
-Basic SedWars Box set- in the port and going through customs.
-The extra boxed set figures from the Biohazard stretch goals- in transit on the boat.
-Stain/Vanguard figure sets for the "Lights Out" purchasers- ???
-New sculpts earned from stretch goals- hopefully early 2013.
-Extra Biohazard basics like the Resin Kara- ???
With the extra figures for the Biohazards backers- do those include the extra variant sculpts that the pledge goals won? Namely the variant type 1 Strain/ alternate Cthonian or the alternate female vanguard Troopers, Barker, etc?
Ltd. editon Kara Sculpt
Vanguard Patch
12 extra Vanguard Troopers
12 extra Strain (phase 1 and 2)
2 extra Scythe Witches
2 extra Brimstone
1 extra Grendlr
1 extra Cthonian (with Drone rules card and face guard)
Extra AI drone
Dice Pack
Lights Out Pack (that includes the separate Opticamo and Glow in the Dark Strain packs)
Tile Pack
Battlefoam Bag and Trays
The alternate female scuplts and Strain sculpts are part of the boxed game (and will probably be part of the mix of 12 extras)
Barker Zosa (pulse cannon/flamer) is part of the boxed game
The DVD is probably going to be Phase 2 (March/April 2013) along with:
6 Mini Drones
6 Bone Crabs
Cyber Akosha
Keegan Kor
Jada "Iron" Lilly
Biohazard Suit Morgan
Gnosis Suit Kara
Aphid Suit Barker
Calamity Crew
Ridley
Hexen Phaedrus
Niven Banks
Ramirez
THI suits
Terrain Pack
Vokker Dargu
Very cool, Dave! I am looking forward to the game finally arriving!
Are the boxed sets of the game going out as soon as they clear customs? Or are they waiting to be bundled with the extras that are in transit?(either I am totally ok with, but I would assume the 2nd option saves the company on shipping costs of two packages to each pledge)
Since there is very little 'choice' for the add ons at this phase hopefully most of it will be preboxed for them giving only 4 or 5 things to pack
Game box
Biohazard pack
Lights Out pack
Tile pack
Dice pack
(& maybe battle foam, but I still wonder if it's coming direct from battle foam themselves)
It's the 2013 shipment that will be a real headache
16 different minis (some unlimited numbers, some limited to 3 per Biohazard box) x 5000+ backers = lots & lots of counting and packing
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AegisGrimm wrote: Very cool, Dave! I am looking forward to the game finally arriving!
Are the boxed sets of the game going out as soon as they clear customs? Or are they waiting to be bundled with the extras that are in transit?(either I am totally ok with, but I would assume the 2nd option saves the company on shipping costs of two packages to each pledge)
G_Q on the sedition wars KS comments (who is a volunteer packer for CMON) has said they'll be shipping only when the extras have arrived and cleared customs (he's been put on standby) so there'll be only 1 package for this shipment
I don't know for definite but I would assume that they will wait and ship everything in Phase 1 together to save on the shipping cost.
The European shipment is still heading for the UK and isn't due to land until the end of December so they could easily just say they are waiting to do simultaneous shipping.
I personally have no problem with rest of the world backers getting it slightly earlier as having the Import VAT dealt with by shipping from the UK more than makes up for a slight delay and it was always said that UK shipping would take a little longer as the ship takes longer to get to the UK and then British customs have to review and release it..
From what I've heard the Battlefoam option for Zombicide was shipped by CMON with the game but I don't know what the arrangement is here probably the same.
Just thought you'd like to know that we've just received all the Sedition Wars base game in the USA and are waiting on the container of the Biohazard packs to hit us shortly - we might get some stuff shipped before 2012 is done, but if not shipping will begin as soon as possible in the New Year.
The container with everything for Europe is scheduled to hit our 3rd party shippers in the UK January 4th so we're hopeful everything can start going out as soon as the packages are unloaded.
Going out in this shipment are-
1. The base game
2. Biohazard Pack 1 (extra figs)
3. Lights out Campaign pack (and Opticamo and GITD pack)
4. Dice
5. Battlefoam
6. Tile pack
Thank you for your patience, and we'll be getting pics out of the shipping as we get these out the door!
Commander Cain wrote: Ah so now we get to listen to the whiners complaining that they have seen the game in shops before they got their own Biohazard sets. Oh joy...
What out of that update indicates retailers have a chance at getting the game first?
Commander Cain wrote: Ah so now we get to listen to the whiners complaining that they have seen the game in shops before they got their own Biohazard sets. Oh joy...
What out of that update indicates retailers have a chance at getting the game first?
Just the fact that the base games have arrived minus the extras. I just figured that they might take the chance to pass it out to the retailers as well as us? Really I have no idea, just speculating over here...
Commander Cain wrote: Ah so now we get to listen to the whiners complaining that they have seen the game in shops before they got their own Biohazard sets. Oh joy...
What out of that update indicates retailers have a chance at getting the game first?
Just the fact that the base games have arrived minus the extras. I just figured that they might take the chance to pass it out to the retailers as well as us? Really I have no idea, just speculating over here...
That assumes that the first shipment of base games has copies beyond those for KS supporters. From what I understand, there's a huge number of copies just from the KS, I wouldn't be surprised if the entire first print run wasn't already claimed before it was even printed.
So I'm late to the game on this one and badly wished that I had backed this when it was still possible. Am I to understand that I will still be able to get the basic version of the game at my local hobby shop at some time but I won't be able to get all the super cool add on stuff that was available to the backers like the extra figures, scenery etc. at all?
The boxed game will be available retail at some point early next year. The Terrain pack is also due for retail release at $40 per pack as is the extra tile pack at $30
The following are kickstarter exclusives or will only have 1 print run so when they are gone they are gone and will not be available later:
Dice Pack
Limited Edition Kara
Keegan Kor
Ridley
Niven Banks (Niven will get a different general release sculpt later)
Hexen (Hexen will get a different general release sculpt later)
Ramirez
Calamity Crew
Opticamo Vanguard and GiTD Strain
Undecided (may or may not get a general release, CMON doesn't seem keen to put these on general release)
Mini Drones
Bone Crabs
Cyber Akosha
Biohazard Morgan
Gnosis Kara
Aphid Suit Barker
Jada Lily
The THI suit will get a retail release with a later expansion
DaveC wrote: The boxed game will be available retail at some point early next year. The Terrain pack is also due for retail release at $40 per pack as is the extra tile pack at $30
The following are kickstarter exclusives or will only have 1 print run so when they are gone they are gone and will not be available later:
Dice Pack
Limited Edition Kara
Keegan Kor
Ridley
Niven Banks (Niven will get a different general release sculpt later)
Hexen (Hexen will get a different general release sculpt later)
Ramirez
Calamity Crew
Opticamo Vanguard and GiTD Strain
Undecided (may or may not get a general release, CMON doesn't seem keen to put these on general release)
Mini Drones
Bone Crabs
Cyber Akosha
Biohazard Morgan
Gnosis Kara
Aphid Suit Barker
Jada Lily
The THI suit will get a retail release with a later expansion
Thanks for the clarification, Dave. I assume that the Kickstarter is closed now and there is no way for me to back it and get the exclusive stuff I should have picked up before now is there?
DaveC wrote: The boxed game will be available retail at some point early next year. The Terrain pack is also due for retail release at $40 per pack as is the extra tile pack at $30
The following are kickstarter exclusives or will only have 1 print run so when they are gone they are gone and will not be available later:
Dice Pack
Limited Edition Kara
Keegan Kor
Ridley
Niven Banks (Niven will get a different general release sculpt later)
Hexen (Hexen will get a different general release sculpt later)
Ramirez
Calamity Crew
Opticamo Vanguard and GiTD Strain
Undecided (may or may not get a general release, CMON doesn't seem keen to put these on general release)
Mini Drones
Bone Crabs
Cyber Akosha
Biohazard Morgan
Gnosis Kara
Aphid Suit Barker
Jada Lily
The THI suit will get a retail release with a later expansion
Thanks for the clarification, Dave. I assume that the Kickstarter is closed now and there is no way for me to back it and get the exclusive stuff I should have picked up before now is there?
You could probably buy a kickstarter pledge on ebay once they ship. Be prepared to pay more then the original kickstarter went for though.
As it's about to ship to backers in the next 2 or 3 weeks it's well a truly closed and all backers will (should) have locked in their pledges and shipping addresses at this stage the only way to get the kickstarter only miniatures will be to get to any conventions that CMON or Studio McVey attend while they still have stock of them (they will be selling any excess from the production run at conventions) or go the ebay route.
I think the only way now is to find CMON or studio mcvey at a convention where they may be selling of any of the excess limited edition sculpts. The other way would be to find a backer who bought multiples of the LE sculpts and are planning to sell them.
I'm just going to assume that with my luck that the minis I actually want to get besides the actual game will either be impossible to obtain or so expensive on the secondary market that they might as well be impossible. I will be paying closed attention to all of the kickstarter threads here on Dakka from now on. Thanks for the information and advice everyone. I will console myself with the fact that I will at least be able to purchase the core game at a game shop or online distributor and play with my friends and kids. The game does look amazing.
I kind of wish I had bought some of the extra figures, but I didn't have the cash so it's all kind of moot really.
The Calamity Crew would have been nice, but I am a little bit wary of how they were sketched out.
Edit: Anyone know exactly what is being shipped out from the Biohazard extra's? Or are we waiting on that? It might apply to new figures, but what about the bonus ones? Also wondering if stuff like the AI drone will be coming along, as well as the baby drones and the bone crabs...
Fenriswulf wrote: I kind of wish I had bought some of the extra figures, but I didn't have the cash so it's all kind of moot really.
The Calamity Crew would have been nice, but I am a little bit wary of how they were sketched out.
Edit: Anyone know exactly what is being shipped out from the Biohazard extra's? Or are we waiting on that? It might apply to new figures, but what about the bonus ones? Also wondering if stuff like the AI drone will be coming along, as well as the baby drones and the bone crabs...
Going out in this shipment are-
1. The base game
2. Biohazard Pack 1 (extra duplictes of figs in the basic box)
3. Lights out Campaign pack (and Opticamo and GITD pack)
4. Dice
5. Battlefoam
6. Tile pack
so all the KE exclusives/new sculpts are scheduled for March (and are on target so far)
I could care less if somehow the stores got the base game at the same time my copy got shipped to me, because if you are buying the game from the store you sure as heck aren't getting what I am getting, just as a basic Biohazard backer!
ephrael wrote: I'm just going to assume that with my luck that the minis I actually want to get besides the actual game will either be impossible to obtain or so expensive on the secondary market that they might as well be impossible. I will be paying closed attention to all of the kickstarter threads here on Dakka from now on. Thanks for the information and advice everyone. I will console myself with the fact that I will at least be able to purchase the core game at a game shop or online distributor and play with my friends and kids. The game does look amazing.
Yup it sucks, but this is why I jumped in early ad bought multiple copies of everything (except the battlefoam bag). I would also check Board Game Geek periodically for extra LEs as many people who kickstarted are boardgamers over there and sell their stuff or extras frequently.
ephrael wrote: I'm just going to assume that with my luck that the minis I actually want to get besides the actual game will either be impossible to obtain or so expensive on the secondary market that they might as well be impossible. I will be paying closed attention to all of the kickstarter threads here on Dakka from now on. Thanks for the information and advice everyone. I will console myself with the fact that I will at least be able to purchase the core game at a game shop or online distributor and play with my friends and kids. The game does look amazing.
I think that's a viable consolation. I bought into the kickstarter primarily because of the basic game getting me much more interested in it's type of corridor-crawling gameplay than Space Hulk has - all the extras from the Biohazard level were just icing on the cake.
It's quite likely that if this game had come out as just the basic boxed set in a non-Kickstarter world, I would still have bought it to play alongside 40K. It takes me back in a nostalgic way to my youth starting 40K, with encapsulated boardgames like Tyranid Attack and Space Crusade. I hoped for that with the opportunity to buy the latest Space Hulk (it was just before my time the first two times around), but felt lacking.
I remember my first games of 40K were actually using the Tyranid Attack rules for custom squads (plus house rules) in the back to replace the normal two Scout squads, on a table full of self-made terrain using the grid measurements as inches. Ballistic Skill rolls for shooting, hah! I remember a Heavy Bolter had a range of 48" and shooting was rolling attacks with 4D6 to hit a target number!!
I desperately want to be able to do that with the SedWars minis and rules to capture that feeling again, 15+ years later.
I'm kind of starting to hope that there will be a thread started where people who backed the KS will come together in one topic to trade and sell the exclusive/alternate sculpts they don't want. That will give the rest of us the opportunity to obtain the models we missed out on without getting royally gouged on ebay or some other site. I'm sure that the bonds of Brotherhood and Respect we all share as proud members of this community will shine through and most everyone will end up satisfied in the end. Barring that outcome I'm prepared to beg the McVey's to sell me the minis I want if the have any extra after fulfilling the orders.
ephrael wrote: I'm kind of starting to hope that there will be a thread started where people who backed the KS will come together in one topic to trade and sell the exclusive/alternate sculpts they don't want.
I really don't see that happening. No real reason to pass up on making the most you can from selling something.
Fenriswulf wrote: I really really wish this would just ship already. I am moving in 3 weeks, and I just know it won't be here in Australia before then...
You may really want to get in touch with Cmon or whomever is shipping to Australia and see about either delaying your shipment or changing the address it goes to, either to your new address or maybe a buddy's place that can receive it for you.
ephrael wrote: I'm kind of starting to hope that there will be a thread started where people who backed the KS will come together in one topic to trade and sell the exclusive/alternate sculpts they don't want. That will give the rest of us the opportunity to obtain the models we missed out on without getting royally gouged on ebay or some other site. I'm sure that the bonds of Brotherhood and Respect we all share as proud members of this community will shine through and most everyone will end up satisfied in the end. Barring that outcome I'm prepared to beg the McVey's to sell me the minis I want if the have any extra after fulfilling the orders.
You're joking, right?
There's a few extras I plumped for that I might sell. I'll want to get the most out of selling or trading them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Actually there is a bit of hope for you. Mike made a few comments hinting that some of these models will be available through his stands in any conventions he attends. Might be worth following up on that and checking Mikes itinerary for the next year to see if you can grab some of them...
zedmeister- It's actually a really great idea, particularly for trading (for those who only want the marine-type models or the infected ones). People did the exact same with GW's Dark Vengeance boxes... it's a win-win.
It is - Ebay might offer a theoretically higher price, but it's also easier for a seller to get screwed by a scammer than if they sell to someone they know.
RiTides wrote: zedmeister- It's actually a really great idea, particularly for trading (for those who only want the marine-type models or the infected ones). People did the exact same with GW's Dark Vengeance boxes... it's a win-win.
That is exactly what I had in mind when I mentioned it in the first place. I am really interested in picking up the big "armored suit" models personally and would be willing to trade for them or pay a reasonable price. I really don't want the hassle of trying to snag one from ebay. I guess we'll see what happens when the stuff gets delivered and people decide what they want to do with their miniatures.
I bought a rambo kara for 100 bucks. a few months ago. And spent quite a few bones on limited editions this year. Bought my friend a Nightmare lord chompy bits (malifaux) for almost 2 bills.
It sucks and I hate it, but limited editions will generally ask and will get a high price. 2 to 10 times a regular msrp.
That is exactly what I had in mind when I mentioned it in the first place. I am really interested in picking up the big "armored suit" models personally and would be willing to trade for them or pay a reasonable price. I really don't want the hassle of trying to snag one from ebay. I guess we'll see what happens when the stuff gets delivered and people decide what they want to do with their miniatures.
The Gnosis suit (the sword-wielding one added as a stretch goal) is kickstarter-only right now, but if you mean the THI suits (the industrial ones that already exist in metal), I understand that those are going to be a normally-released product, so you won;t have to get them on Ebay.
That is exactly what I had in mind when I mentioned it in the first place. I am really interested in picking up the big "armored suit" models personally and would be willing to trade for them or pay a reasonable price. I really don't want the hassle of trying to snag one from ebay. I guess we'll see what happens when the stuff gets delivered and people decide what they want to do with their miniatures.
The Gnosis suit (the sword-wielding one added as a stretch goal) is kickstarter-only right now, but if you mean the THI suits (the industrial ones that already exist in metal), I understand that those are going to be a normally-released product, so you won;t have to get them on Ebay.
I didn't realize that the THI suit was the same as the metal sculpt available already so that's not so important to me in plastic. The Gnosis suit is the one I really would like to have and I would realistically be willing to pay up to $75-80 for one if I had to. I would rather pay around $30 as that's what it probably cost to get in the first place I think. Honestly I don't have the time or the ability to travel around to conventions to try to buy the models from Mike and his team. I would love to meet the man and his wife in person as I have been a fan of their work for a very long time but alas I must continue to admire them from afar.
That is exactly what I had in mind when I mentioned it in the first place. I am really interested in picking up the big "armored suit" models personally and would be willing to trade for them or pay a reasonable price. I really don't want the hassle of trying to snag one from ebay. I guess we'll see what happens when the stuff gets delivered and people decide what they want to do with their miniatures.
The Gnosis suit (the sword-wielding one added as a stretch goal) is kickstarter-only right now, but if you mean the THI suits (the industrial ones that already exist in metal), I understand that those are going to be a normally-released product, so you won;t have to get them on Ebay.
I didn't realize that the THI suit was the same as the metal sculpt available already so that's not so important to me in plastic. The Gnosis suit is the one I really would like to have and I would realistically be willing to pay up to $75-80 for one if I had to. I would rather pay around $30 as that's what it probably cost to get in the first place I think. Honestly I don't have the time or the ability to travel around to conventions to try to buy the models from Mike and his team. I would love to meet the man and his wife in person as I have been a fan of their work for a very long time but alas I must continue to admire them from afar.
Is the Gnosis suit limited to the kickstarter only? I could be completely wrong about this, but I recall there being a statement that the only figures that would not be released outside of the kickstarter are the homage characters. It might be worthwhile to wait and see, or look into this rather than get fleeced on Ebay.
There will be an elite (non commander) version of the Gnosis suit at some point according to Rob Baxter whether Kara's version gets a general release remains to be seen (that's up to CMON as the distributor) but you will be able to get these in some form later on.
Posted by Rob:
Yes, there will eventually be non-commander gnosis armor, but you can be guaranteed that most gnosis pilots are hero level characters at least. No troopers in gnosis.
Also, Gnosis armor contains a pretty sophisticated antiviral and antinano suite of defenses, not to mention an internal medical system.
It will be interesting to see what prices some more exclusive figures fetch after the KS plenty of people seem to have bought a few sets so as to sell some on and make back some of their money back I think a lot of people saw what the Zombicide stuff was selling for and then saw dollar signs. I went for We've got Movement (3xBiohazard) and 2 of every option but 2 sets are for me and there's very little I'd sell on from them if anything the 3rd set (pus a set of options) is for my nephew.
I don't think there is much chance of getting the LE figures for cheaper on Dakka seeing as the only reason people would be wanting to sell them is if they bought extras for that very purpose! Trading the troopers or strain however will probably work out well though I will probably hang onto everything myself.
I didn't realize that the THI suit was the same as the metal sculpt available already so that's not so important to me in plastic.
I didn't realize the current one was in resin (thanks CURNOW) but I know they said the kickstarter plastic ones will have all the weapons options (2x claws, 1x of each ranged arm). I got one of them for just that reason so I could field it in open games as a type of "commander suit", though it was before the Gnosis came out in the stretch goals! (That ending Saturday was my wedding, so I was a little occupied)
Commander Cain wrote: I don't think there is much chance of getting the LE figures for cheaper on Dakka seeing as the only reason people would be wanting to sell them is if they bought extras for that very purpose! Trading the troopers or strain however will probably work out well though I will probably hang onto everything myself.
I got x2 of each for that very reason, and they'll be going to the highest bidder
zedmeister wrote: If you buy the THI suits or strain models in the uk direct, they are resin. If you buy them from CMON, they are metal...
But the box ones are plastic, right?
I Really like those... wish they hadn't been $15 apiece for plastic, though, or I would have sprung for some already through the kickstarter. Would be great counts-as terminators, I think, but at that price they're more expensive than the official models.
Might be worth it, but I want to see some in-person before I commit at that price!
That is exactly what I had in mind when I mentioned it in the first place. I am really interested in picking up the big "armored suit" models personally and would be willing to trade for them or pay a reasonable price. I really don't want the hassle of trying to snag one from ebay. I guess we'll see what happens when the stuff gets delivered and people decide what they want to do with their miniatures.
The Gnosis suit (the sword-wielding one added as a stretch goal) is kickstarter-only right now, but if you mean the THI suits (the industrial ones that already exist in metal), I understand that those are going to be a normally-released product, so you won;t have to get them on Ebay.
I didn't realize that the THI suit was the same as the metal sculpt available already so that's not so important to me in plastic. The Gnosis suit is the one I really would like to have and I would realistically be willing to pay up to $75-80 for one if I had to. I would rather pay around $30 as that's what it probably cost to get in the first place I think. Honestly I don't have the time or the ability to travel around to conventions to try to buy the models from Mike and his team. I would love to meet the man and his wife in person as I have been a fan of their work for a very long time but alas I must continue to admire them from afar.
It was actually a $25 addon.....
Best of luck picking this model up for under $100, Mike's stuff has a way of pileing on the value.
That is exactly what I had in mind when I mentioned it in the first place. I am really interested in picking up the big "armored suit" models personally and would be willing to trade for them or pay a reasonable price. I really don't want the hassle of trying to snag one from ebay. I guess we'll see what happens when the stuff gets delivered and people decide what they want to do with their miniatures.
The Gnosis suit (the sword-wielding one added as a stretch goal) is kickstarter-only right now, but if you mean the THI suits (the industrial ones that already exist in metal), I understand that those are going to be a normally-released product, so you won;t have to get them on Ebay.
I didn't realize that the THI suit was the same as the metal sculpt available already so that's not so important to me in plastic. The Gnosis suit is the one I really would like to have and I would realistically be willing to pay up to $75-80 for one if I had to. I would rather pay around $30 as that's what it probably cost to get in the first place I think. Honestly I don't have the time or the ability to travel around to conventions to try to buy the models from Mike and his team. I would love to meet the man and his wife in person as I have been a fan of their work for a very long time but alas I must continue to admire them from afar.
It was actually a $25 addon.....
Best of luck picking this model up for under $100, Mike's stuff has a way of pileing on the value.
Really though, there's a bit more of that Gnosis suit out there than most of Mike's other stuff... the gnosis suit came free with every biohazard set, remember?
hey, I'd have one for sale at $45 no problem. Really, $100? that's never going to happen. But hey, if you'd wanna pay that for a gnosis suit, drop me a line, bro
Undecided (may or may not get a general release, CMON doesn't seem keen to put these on general release)
Mini Drones
Bone Crabs
Cyber Akosha
Biohazard Morgan
Gnosis Kara
Aphid Suit Barker
Jada Lily
The THI suit will get a retail release with a later expansion
I guess it depends (to an extent) on how much control CMON have versus McVey.
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ephrael wrote: I'm kind of starting to hope that there will be a thread started where people who backed the KS will come together in one topic to trade and sell the exclusive/alternate sculpts they don't want. That will give the rest of us the opportunity to obtain the models we missed out on without getting royally gouged on ebay or some other site. I'm sure that the bonds of Brotherhood and Respect we all share as proud members of this community will shine through and most everyone will end up satisfied in the end.
In exactly the same way that it didn't happen for Zombicide!
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Fenriswulf wrote: I really really wish this would just ship already. I am moving in 3 weeks, and I just know it won't be here in Australia before then...
Get it sent to your parents place or work - something that's a stable addy.
ephrael wrote: I'm kind of starting to hope that there will be a thread started where people who backed the KS will come together in one topic to trade and sell the exclusive/alternate sculpts they don't want. That will give the rest of us the opportunity to obtain the models we missed out on without getting royally gouged on ebay or some other site. I'm sure that the bonds of Brotherhood and Respect we all share as proud members of this community will shine through and most everyone will end up satisfied in the end.
In exactly the same way that it didn't happen for Zombicide!
The only promos received for Zombicide so far are the 3 original bonus characters and they were strictly 1 provided per copy of the game so no-one had spares. Once we get to the next wave with the promos we could buy multiple copies of you should see more trading
I hope that doesn't happen literally.... (images of lots of gypsy-types walking away from the shattered remains of the boat, holding 5-6 boxes of Sedition Wars each.... )
Pacific wrote: I hope that doesn't happen literally.... (images of lots of gypsy-types walking away from the shattered remains of the boat, holding 5-6 boxes of Sedition Wars each.... )
I'm imagining a Jurassic park 2 situation. Where it turns out they were also storing a T-Rex onboard the ship alongside all out sedition wars boxes. "There's a T-Rex loose on the streets but we need to get these boxes to backers! Priorities... Priorities...!"
It appears it'll bring holiday cheer to some of you to know that there hasn't been any change from our previous update. We still expect to receive containers for Europe on the 4th of January (Friday) which means that games will begin shipping out realistically the following Monday (one day to unload the container, inventory everything and set up the line etc).
The container for the Biohazard bonus items has yet to arrive at our warehouse in the USA so since today is already Friday, it's probably not going to hit us until next week, which would mean the earliest realistic shipping date would be the 2nd. If you're of the anxious bent, a safe shipping date for both the USA and Europe would be 7th of January to start shipping, and with shipping complete that week.
Now, for those of you who have never logged in to the pledge manager to confirm your pledge and/or still need to make payments for shipping and extras, please do so as soon as you can (https://ckpm.coolminiornot.com). We'll try to squeeze you into the first wave of stuff going out if you can respond quickly enough, if not your rewards will ship out later in January on a weekly basis.
DaveC and his magic time traveling tablet beat me again
(that said the fact that there are really folk who PAID but never bothered giveing a shipping address or selecting their stuff in the pledge manager? Weird, hope they are OK)
It appears it'll bring holiday cheer to some of you to know that there hasn't been any change from our previous update.
Huh... I guess he didn't want to provide an update but people were asking for it. Seems there are a lot of nicer "holiday" ways to say it's almost arrived!
Good lord, I'd skimmed over that the first time around but really, that is so horrible it's almost funny again. almost.
Still, for what I've seen from ZC (not a backer myself, but followed the thread) it seems that however brusque and impolite they might be, they do deliver and when problems arrive, they do resolve them.
Really, I don't like the attitude either but so far, they've been good where it actually matters.
To be fair, they're not really all that rude - they just don't have the first clue about how to deal with customers professionally. Really, I've seen worse and as long as the product keeps being fine everytime, I don't really mind all that much.
However, it is of course entirely up to you to be offended if you prefer - wouldn't blame you in this case.
yeah,
I think that's entirely accurate..
Honestly they behave like children;
I asked for and received a refund because of their cavalier attitude towards their kickstarter backers, to which end they then goaded me to a worldwide audience with a ‘don’t panic’ email.
For me it’s a bitter pill to swallow, dealing with them to access this McVey project.
To me it seems that they believe they are doing us a favour by hosting these kickstarters!
Maybe I have thicker skin but I don't see it as offensive. People are clamoring and they posted an update that states there is no update. Meh. I'm looking forward to my toys arriving.
scipio.au wrote: The CM people aren't great on the old customer service, are they?
Have to say this as someone who likes Cool Mini or not's products and support towards smaller companies.
Their customer service is gawd fahkin awful!
Email them about your 150+ dollar refund you have been expecting for a few day to their provided email address regarding issues with orders?
yup, did that for about 6 weeks.
Turns out you have to sign up for the forums and contact one of them on the forum.
Then you have to wait about 10 days for the reply.
I understand they are not the size of GW, FFG or PP, but surely they can afford to pay someone as a customer service rep to take care of such issues and not have to PM one of the owners of CMoN.
I had some issues with the CMON customer service for my original Super Dungeon Explore pre-order and after raising a few ruckuses and getting 3 separate assurances that they'd fixed the issue, they still got my address wrong. Luckily I had a smart mailman.
All that said, I really don't see what the issue is with the non-update. People whinge when they have nothing to report and don't give updates, then they whinge when there's nothing to report and they tell us that. It's all a bit out of CMON's control at this point, so I can't really see more communication as a bad thing. It wouldn't surprise me if the email was mostly about getting those people who hadn't responded yet to get their butts in gear. The "everything's still the same, carry on" I'd think was mostly to placate the people clamoring for more updates after the dearth immediately following the project being funded.
There's a difference between "No new updates, please double check your pledge forms as we have some backers that haven't filled them out." and what they sent. One is common customer service wording, the other is intentionally confrontational.
I don't care about it really, but I recognize that there's an issue.
It will get here when it will get here, they sky is not falling! I just dont want them to rush things and get stuff wrong, would rather it be late and right then on time and wrong (obviously I would prefer right and on time but oh well). I feel Mantic rushed to get Dreadball out before Christmas as some of the mold lines on the figures are horrendous! if they took there time and released it after Christmas they may of not had this problem.
Hulksmash wrote: Maybe I have thicker skin but I don't see it as offensive. People are clamoring and they posted an update that states there is no update. Meh. I'm looking forward to my toys arriving.
Me too to be honest. Thanks for the 'update', reminding me I exist as a customer, erm... that's it right? Got some Dreadball teams to put together in the meantime
It appears it'll bring holiday cheer to some of you to know that there hasn't been any change from our previous update.
Does that really seem like a smart way to go about updating your customer base?
Sure, they may be upset about another blown ship date, but it seems as if they could have handled that differently and still been able to get the info out there.
Combine that with the overall lack of updates once the project was funded, and the infamous "Don't Panic!" email and you've got a bit of a disconnect going on.
This 'update' is an update. Since the previous update, which is over a week old, stated:
Just thought you'd like to know that we've just received all the Sedition Wars base game in the USA and are waiting on the container of the Biohazard packs to hit us shortly - we might get some stuff shipped before 2012 is done, but if not shipping will begin as soon as possible in the New Year.
I think they should let us know that the 'shortly' has not happened yet (over a week later) and that they obviously could not ship product yet as a result.
If there is a further delay that means the 7 Jan 2013 date won't work, I hope they update us about that when they know it, not a couple weeks past the date. I also hope they give an update that says 'The containers have arrived and we are on track to ship by ___________ .'
It is probably just me but a 'Nothing significant to report' or a 'Still on track' update is always better than no communications. I know in army units I served in a lot of reports were periodical, and there are good reasons for it.
As for tone/perceived rudeness, I can handle that as long as I am getting updated, though it does annoy me and is likely to influence future business with a company.
I am glad they sent out the email, as it now confirmed for me that it would likely be sent late for non-US or EU customers like myself. Changed my address and I am good to go.
Fenriswulf wrote: I am glad they sent out the email, as it now confirmed for me that it would likely be sent late for non-US or EU customers like myself. Changed my address and I am good to go.
Such is the value of regular communication. I've just moved, myself. The sarcastic/surly tone they tend to use really doesn't help anyone in these situations. Reminds me of a game shop owner I know who regularly complains about "gamers".
It sounds to me like someone who is very tired/at the end of their tether, but yes I agree they possibly should have had a good nights sleep before making the email!
Fenriswulf wrote: I am glad they sent out the email, as it now confirmed for me that it would likely be sent late for non-US or EU customers like myself. Changed my address and I am good to go.
Such is the value of regular communication. I've just moved, myself. The sarcastic/surly tone they tend to use really doesn't help anyone in these situations. Reminds me of a game shop owner I know who regularly complains about "gamers".
Is it somewhere along the lines of how they're impatient and impossible to please? Something along those lines?
They shouldn't have to give a "no update" update.
They've provided updates when things have changed. That SHOULD be enough. But with gamers, it doesn't ever seem to be. They want to see this shipped as much as the backers do.
Edit: Nevermind the fact that the gaming community seems to steadfastly refuse to acknowledge that stuff just takes a bit longer during the holidays.
They've provided updates when things have changed. That SHOULD be enough. But with gamers, it doesn't ever seem to be. They want to see this shipped as much as the backers do.
Oh really? How long after they knew of the printing delay issue did it take for them to let us know the game would be delayed? The official update was 2 Nov, to inform us there was no way they would meet the 'Estimated delivery: Nov 2012 '. Think that was the first time they knew they would not meet their estimate? No, they held on to bad news.
Sorry, their track record of updating us is not very good. The printing issue was a big example of a 'things have changed' that they delayed letting us know about. Break trust once with your customers like that and you have no right to complain when the customers want more/current/timely updates.
Or perhaps they where waiting to see if they could find a resolution to the printing issue rather than issuing a statement that would set of all the sky is falling doom mongers.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: Or perhaps they where waiting to see if they could find a resolution to the printing issue rather than issuing a statement that would set of all the sky is falling doom mongers.
So you'll be happy if the next we hear is mid February with bad news that a container was lost or some other tragic event? As long as at that point they think they have a resolution?
I would have expected a "we are having printer issues and are looking for a way to get past them, but we will not be able to meet our estimated delivery right now. We'll keep you informed as we move through this' type of update once they realized they had the issue.
I'm sure it is just me, but I've both disciplined my kids for hiding bad news and disciplined and in one case fired a subordinate for doing the same. You don't build trust by hiding bad news. I won't assume the best and that everything is on track when dealing with a company that has hidden bad news in the past. To regain my trust they need to keep me informed of the good and the bad.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: Or perhaps they where waiting to see if they could find a resolution to the printing issue rather than issuing a statement that would set of all the sky is falling doom mongers.
So you'll be happy if the next we hear is mid February with bad news that a container was lost or some other tragic event? As long as at that point they think they have a resolution?
I would have expected a "we are having printer issues and are looking for a way to get past them, but we will not be able to meet our estimated delivery right now. We'll keep you informed as we move through this' type of update once they realized they had the issue.
I'm sure it is just me, but I've both disciplined my kids for hiding bad news and disciplined and in one case fired a subordinate for doing the same. You don't build trust by hiding bad news. I won't assume the best and that everything is on track when dealing with a company that has hidden bad news in the past. To regain my trust they need to keep me informed of the good and the bad.
I understand where you're coming from with this, but I believe the relationships you e described are a bit different from the retailer-customer relationship. I think it is prudent of them to attempt to solve the problem before announcing the bad news to a community that doesn't take any kind of change well. I enjoy the gaming community, but it has to be the most spoiled, entitled, and whiny consumer community that exists.
I have to be honest and say that I'm not really even disappointed its shipping late. I have tons of other stuff from the holiday to keep me occupied and when my copy eventually comes in January it'll be like a second Christmas. I know around when gak will be here and I'm more than happy with that. And unless something else drastic changes, I don't need to be spoon fed constant updates.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: Or perhaps they where waiting to see if they could find a resolution to the printing issue rather than issuing a statement that would set of all the sky is falling doom mongers.
So you'll be happy if the next we hear is mid February with bad news that a container was lost or some other tragic event? As long as at that point they think they have a resolution?
I would have expected a "we are having printer issues and are looking for a way to get past them, but we will not be able to meet our estimated delivery right now. We'll keep you informed as we move through this' type of update once they realized they had the issue.
I'm sure it is just me, but I've both disciplined my kids for hiding bad news and disciplined and in one case fired a subordinate for doing the same. You don't build trust by hiding bad news. I won't assume the best and that everything is on track when dealing with a company that has hidden bad news in the past. To regain my trust they need to keep me informed of the good and the bad.
So you would rather your kids fess up so you can have the fun of being the big man and getting to punish them rather than have then try to make amends for said mistake?
In this case the announcement regarding the printer was a whole two days after the projected start time for dispatch. When dealing with a demanding, sometimes petulant and often whiny customer base you have to look at the amount of time between discovery of a problem and resolution as to wether it is appropriate to make an announcement or not. In this case they waited to make the announcement with resolution in place as the timescale between the two was small enough that it was better to wait to make an announcement than to cause a disproportionate amount of fuss. If there was to be a problem without any forthcoming solutions or one that would result in a major delay (which with starting a new product line this would be in the order of months not weeks) then I would expect an announcement and I believe that coolmini and studio mcvey would tell us if such a tragic fate befell the project.
RiTides wrote: Basically, if they're going to update, they might as well do so politely/professionally.
As a business, they gain absolutely nothing from doing otherwise.
This.
And I'd rather they update than not. And "hiding" the printer issue until well after it was "resolved" doesn't breed trust. They could say "Here's the issue were currently facing, we're working on resolving it." And then another update after the issue is taken care of.
The backers aren't just customers - we're investors. Investors deserve a little more than snide comments in an update.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: @rigeld2 invest in the construction of a skyscraper and see if they update you every time a toilet fails to flush
Yeah, major delays in shipping is totally comparable to a minor part of a major construction effort.
Thanks for mocking my point though - really makes you look like a man.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: @rigeld2 invest in the construction of a skyscraper and see if they update you every time a toilet fails to flush
Yeah, major delays in shipping is totally comparable to a minor part of a major construction effort.
Thanks for mocking my point though - really makes you look like a man.
Is it really a major delay? They were hoping, at best case, a late November shipping date. At best case. They informed us of the problem after they had it resolved with plenty of time, and the delay is minimal.
And people can't have it both ways in regards to the backers vs investors argument. You're either one or the other, and you don't get to flip flop when it suits you. Further, as an investor, you shouldn't WANT to know every tiny update. I don't care how many times you wipe or that your gak was chunky; all I need to know is that you went to the bathroom. If you can't go for a day or two, try and fix it. If it becomes a week, maybe then it's time to see a doctor. We're not at that point with this.
Honestly, I think the clamoring for updates about every piece of minutia is unreasonable, and simply speaks to the sense of entititlement I mentioned earlier.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: @rigeld2 invest in the construction of a skyscraper and see if they update you every time a toilet fails to flush
Yeah, major delays in shipping is totally comparable to a minor part of a major construction effort.
Thanks for mocking my point though - really makes you look like a man.
A problem with sewerage would affect the completion date of a construction project, just like a problem with a printer has delayed a stage completion of this project. Yet you find it appropriate that only one should have an update. Yes small issues can have big knock on delays in a project, they can also turn out to be quickly resolved with no disruption once investigated and solutions have been looked at. You don't panic the investors until that investigation has taken place, screaming "its all gone wrong" from the rafters does nothing to resolve the issue and only means resources that could be directed to resolution are taken up with communications to investors who want explanations for what's gone wrong. Which you can't provide because you didnt investigate the issue before making the announcement. See the problem with that?
Way to create and throw straw mans.
No, a single toilet failing to flush is meaningless - which is what you originally said. A sewage problem that actually delays construction isn't meaningless and would warrant an update.
I don't think clamping for updates about every piece of minutiae is reasonable. I do think that the shipping date slipping for 6 weeks and (afaik) the only problem being the printer... That seems like a major issue. It's not minutiae.
And all of that isn't the main point - that if they choose to communicate, they should do so professionally/politely - not by talking down to the people giving them money as if we are blessed by heading the words they type.
rigeld2 wrote: Way to create and throw straw mans.
No, a single toilet failing to flush is meaningless - which is what you originally said. A sewage problem that actually delays construction isn't meaningless and would warrant an update.
I don't think clamping for updates about every piece of minutiae is reasonable. I do think that the shipping date slipping for 6 weeks and (afaik) the only problem being the printer... That seems like a major issue. It's not minutiae.
And all of that isn't the main point - that if they choose to communicate, they should do so professionally/politely - not by talking down to the people giving them money as if we are blessed by heading the words they type.
Your accusations of straw manning are hilarious obviously you made your mind up already on this matter so I won't bother myself further with you so onto ignore you go.
Just remember if your not happy contact coolmini cancel your pledge and get a refund, obviously you won't do that but the option is there.
So you would rather your kids fess up so you can have the fun of being the big man and getting to punish them rather than have then try to make amends for said mistake?
I suggest you know nothing about my parenting techniques and that this type of crap is not quite appropriate.
Holy, crap. Is this really a big deal? They have one of the containers in the port and are waiting on the second one to begin shipping to the US backers. It'll happen by the 2nd, or may the 7th if the New Year slows stuff down, plus the time for the post to ship it. Sheesh.
Next I expect forum backers in the western US to start screaming when they haven't "got their stuff" when backers in the Eastern US are joyfully posting about their newest arrival in the mail, regardless of the fact that it takes time for the mail to travel the length of a continent.
There have been non-Kickstarter game preorders that have taken far longer than SedWars has. Six and a half months is not that big a deal when you originally accepted it would be at least five.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: Your accusations of straw manning are hilarious obviously you made your mind up already on this matter so I won't bother myself further with you so onto ignore you go.
Yes, I've made up my mind that I wished there was better communication and that they shouldn't be so brusque in their emails.
Ignoring me is your loss. /shrug.
Just remember if your not happy contact coolmini cancel your pledge and get a refund, obviously you won't do that but the option is there.
I'm aware. I'm not sure what you think I'm raging at - because I'm not. You've created things that I'm arguing about and tried to counterpoint them - the very definition of a strawman.
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AegisGrimm wrote: Holy, crap. Is this really a big deal? They have one of the containers in the port and are waiting on the second one to begin shipping to the US backers. It'll happen by the 2nd, or may the 7th if the New Year slows stuff down. Sheesh.
Next I expect forum backers in the western US to start screaming when they haven't "got their stuff" when backers in the Eastern US are joyfully posting about their newest arrival in the mail, regardless of the fact that it takes time for the mail to travel the length of a continent.
The fact that there's no real update isn't a big deal. The fact that they were unprofessional in their not-an-update isn't a big deal, but is annoying. Are people not allowed to bring up annoying facts anymore without being thought of as nerd raging?
scipio.au wrote: The CM people aren't great on the old customer service, are they?
Since CMoN is essentially New Wave Mail Order 2.0, is that really surprising?
This.
This is the very reason why I do not give them any slack on Updates to projects, thier less then steller interaction with projects, and thier customer service. Some of us know how it went before, and even if there are hundreds out there that don't know any better- Crap is crap.
You pull in a couple of million on several similer projects and act the same way it is the way you do business. They are not going to change it either, it got them over two or three million, why should they?
I pulled my money out of this project, by the way. Appearently they didn't want it bad enough.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: @rigeld2 invest in the construction of a skyscraper and see if they update you every time a toilet fails to flush
Actually, I have several large buildings currently under construction and the foremans send me reports every single day. When I receive these, I compile them once a week to send out to the investors on the various projects.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: @rigeld2 invest in the construction of a skyscraper and see if they update you every time a toilet fails to flush
Actually, I have several large buildings currently under construction and the foremans send me reports every single day. When I receive these, I compile them once a week to send out to the investors on the various projects.
And, if its like any project I run, the investors don't look at a single page of those unless you specifically call something out ;-)
Unmutated Niven looks awfully static, and I mean that in an 80's single-piece model way. not good! It does look easy enough to fix, however. it's okay, but not great. Mutated version is awesome.
Mutated Ramirez, well, bleurgh! And I mean that in the best possible way; just as it should be Not much of a fan of the unmutated version; something looks 'off' with it. Can't quite say what but proportions don't look right from the front. I've swallowed such words before after either seeing a model from a different angle, or simply painted, however. Guessing this might be like DB's wildcard; pictures are... not good but up close it'll be just fine.
Also, these are basically board game pieces we're getting at ridiculously low prices, basically just a bit over what you'd pay for the average tac. marine.
It's so easy to forget that when looking at the kind of sculpts shown on this project that I think we might at times be holding these things to a standard which we'd normally apply to a ~10GBP/ea. model - and that isn't exactly fair
No, more along the lines of complaining about how they're unreliable and don't spend enough money with him. Funny thing was, as Fenriswulf pointed out, the information was actually relevant. If you want to see how it can be done a lot better, check out Dreamforge or Mantic, or even Stonehaven or Red Box. It's not about impatience, it's about taking 2 minutes to keep the people who gave them close to a million bucks informed in a non-snarky manner. Out of, you know, courtesy.
If you've ever worked in any form of CS or had to deal with even a specific sector of the public, you might know how important that is. Being the sarcastic, snarky guy in the game shop doesn't work when dealing with the public. You have to put on a public face. it doesn't mean being fake, but it does mean having some control over your more snarky urges and remembering that you represent your company, and that your behaviours and actions in the situation will reflect on both yourself and the company. I believe it's called "being professional".
scipio.au wrote: No, more along the lines of complaining about how they're unreliable and don't spend enough money with him. Funny thing was, as Fenriswulf pointed out, the information was actually relevant. If you want to see how it can be done a lot better, check out Dreamforge or Mantic, or even Stonehaven or Red Box. It's not about impatience, it's about taking 2 minutes to keep the people who gave them close to a million bucks informed in a non-snarky manner. Out of, you know, courtesy.
If you've ever worked in any form of CS or had to deal with even a specific sector of the public, you might know how important that is. Being the sarcastic, snarky guy in the game shop doesn't work when dealing with the public. You have to put on a public face. it doesn't mean being fake, but it does mean having some control over your more snarky urges and remembering that you represent your company, and that your behaviours and actions in the situation will reflect on both yourself and the company. I believe it's called "being professional".
Plenty of that close to $1M don't want or need "nothing" updates though. IMO this one wasnt even needed. Sadly, they have to appease the entitled whiny few.
but people were asking for it. Seems there are a lot of nicer "holiday" ways to say it's almost arrived!
