If you say so.
See, when people ask for money, and I give it to them in return for something, I expect them to be a little politer than, say, the cashier at the grocery store when they're communicating things to me.
But of course - that's not true for you. Someone would actually have to start cussing or punching you before you'd complain about customer service.
rigeld2 wrote: If you say so.
See, when people ask for money, and I give it to them in return for something, I expect them to be a little politer than, say, the cashier at the grocery store when they're communicating things to me.
But of course - that's not true for you. Someone would actually have to start cussing or punching you before you'd complain about customer service.
Jesus Christ. You must have a wall full of participation ribbons.
Read their update again. It's hardy even sarcastic. It certainly isn't rude.
Both of us have criticized the behavior and indeed the tone of other campaigns, and both of us have been told we're some variety of 'entitled" or "whiners" or "greedy".
The one thing that is indisputable is that everyone thinks that their complaint is justified, and the people that are happy rarely are able to see the value in the complaints of others.
The urge to defend a company you believe in must be tempered by the knowledge that simply attacking people that aren't similarly satisfied will only increase ill will and indeed spread it around.
Buzzsaw wrote: The one thing that is indisputable is that everyone thinks that their complaint is justified, and the people that are happy rarely are able to see the value in the complaints of others.
The urge to defend a company you believe in must be tempered by the knowledge that simply attacking people that aren't similarly satisfied will only increase ill will and indeed spread it around.
Yea, but in this case Rigeld2 is pretty much making mountains out of molehills. I see no reason he can't be called on that.
Is the gameplay of this going to overlap with Zombiecide at all? Having not gone in for either, they seemed awfully similar with the "famous character x" and "famous character x Zombie/Infected version!"
Not sure if those versions are playable / come with rules? But the ideas are so close, and of course both from CMON.
...Well, I'm not a ZC player but I've seen enough of that game and this one to say that no, they're completely dissimilar.
Do remember that both games were designed by completely different studios with little to no input from CMoN - they just do the actual production. Design is not what they do - they help the guys who do that get their stuff to market.
the premises of both games are completely different, too. Sure, Strain have a bit of a zombie feel (albeit tech-zombie) - but that's really the only similarity.
SW is an asymmetrical 'opposed' play 1 on 1 boardgame - bit of a skirmish TT game, on a grid.
ZC is a cooperative game with challenges being provided by the game mechanics - sort of a primitive AI, so to speak.
Also, and again I do NOT have a ZC set nor have I actually played the game: it seems a bit more 'simple' to play. Now for what I've seen I'm kicking myself for being too late to get in on the ZC KS - I really think it's a great game to play with a bunch of friends, with a couple of beers - but it's more straightforward with more simplified mechanics.
SW has much more of a tactical feel.
I don't think I'd want to play ZC as a serious game for all that long - it's a fun game and it'd probably serve in that capacity for a hell of a lot of hours of great fun - but it's not a deeply tactical experience.
SW appears (and sure, we'll have to see if it actually delivers on that promise) to make for a kind of game I wouldn't mind playing (somewhat) competitively -- without the alcohol
Both of us have criticized the behavior and indeed the tone of other campaigns, and both of us have been told we're some variety of 'entitled" or "whiners" or "greedy".
The one thing that is indisputable is that everyone thinks that their complaint is justified, and the people that are happy rarely are able to see the value in the complaints of others.
The urge to defend a company you believe in must be tempered by the knowledge that simply attacking people that aren't similarly satisfied will only increase ill will and indeed spread it around.
Fair enough, and point taken. Personally, I still think people need to temper their expectations in regards to updates when there is nothing to update, but then again I'm not a huge micro manager.
I also was never "burned" by whatever C'MON was before it was C'MON.
All I know is that I didn't get a ton of updates for Zombiecide but it arrived at my home better packaged than anything I've ever received and in a perfectly reasonable amount of time. I look forward to the day I come home to Sedition sitting on my doorstep, but I'm not stressing out about it.
Really like those new sculpts - I'm stunned by how closely strain-Ramirez and the guy from Dead Space resemble their concept art, and especially pleased about the latter as he was in my order!
Ramirez looks pretty nice as well, I like the way she has the support-arm thing coming from her armour.
Pacific wrote: Really like those new sculpts - I'm stunned by how closely strain-Ramirez and the guy from Dead Space resemble their concept art, and especially pleased about the latter as he was in my order!
They're pretty much bang-on, aren't they?
Perhaps we should complain about the mechanic some more though.
In a rather pleasant surprise I found out when checking my pledge I had pledged for far more stuff than I remembered. This is what happens when I pledge on holiday, yay!
I'm also impressed with how well mcvey have grasped this whatever plastic type of casting technology. All those little tendril bits on and flesh webbing on the strain models is suhweet!
Plenty of that close to $1M don't want or need "nothing" updates though. IMO this one wasnt even needed. Sadly, they have to appease the entitled whiny few.
It's awesome that you feel you can speak for the majority.
Also awesome that you describe anyone who doesn't agree with you as one of the "entitled whiny few". What's rule #1 again? Shall I retort with something equally colourful?
But really. I gave them money. That entitles me to feel entitled.
You know, to updates, courtesy and professionalism. Just like when I buy or pre-order anything else. I'd rather see them take 2 whole minutes to post a small "everything on track" update every week or so than long periods of not telling us anything as we had for quite a long time. Well, if they could do it without being snarky.
To put it another way - Dreamforge Games was also supposed to be in hand in October, but Mark has regularly updated his backers, and done so respectfully, and the feeling/mood over in his thread is quite different to this one. A lot more positive and understanding.
On the sculpts (which I missed earlier) - I quite like the non-mutated ones. I'm not worried about Niven not being "dynamic" - not everyone needs to be running or leaping or shooting, IMO. I'm less keen on the mutated Ramirez, though I like the Niven one.
To put it another way - Dreamforge Games was also supposed to be in hand in October, but Mark has regularly updated his backers, and done so respectfully, and the feeling/mood over in his thread is quite different to this one. A lot more positive and understanding.
Also, this. Everyone adores what DF are doing, I don't think there is a single person on that thread who has complained about the lateness of that project! Just goes to show what a few updates and good attitude does to customers.
I have a question: Does anyone know if we can change or modify our ship-to address on the CKPM this late in the game? My wife and I have the only street in town with no mailboxes, so we automatically get Post Office boxes (PO boxes).
But very recently the main hub sorting our mail changed their requirements so we have to add the PO box number to our incoming mail address or they try to charge us an additional service fee, even for junk mail (read: janky rip-off).
The address I gave the Kickstarter doesn't have the PO box number, and I don't want the jerks to try to penalize me for an address given 6 months ago not conforming to a rule that's three weeks old. I'm not in the mood to argue with bitter postal workers, lol
Especially as I can change my address to the one of my parents', whose house I still travel past every day to and from work.
@AegisGrimm:
They essentially said that at this stage, you'd have to email CMoN so they can still change the shipping label. Mail them tomorrow and you'll be safe
I'm guessing they've already printed the labels from CKPM data by now...
Bolognesus wrote: @AegisGrimm:
They essentially said that at this stage, you'd have to email CMoN so they can still change the shipping label. Mail them tomorrow and you'll be safe
That assumes CMON gets the email, and reads it and then acts upon what they read. Not an assumption I would be willing to make.
I would wait until the 2nd or 3rd and try to call them as well as email them, and keep tryin until you get a reply.
The shipping address can still be edited in the CKPM that hasn't been locked yet so I'd change that straight away then email them at kickstarter@coolminiornot.com with URGENT change of address for Sedition Wars shipping as the subject to confirm (the CKPM my still be editable but the shipping labels may have already been printed from the existing information). I've also heard that it can be easier to reach them if you contact one of the staff directly through their forums.
Ramirez is brilliant! I think that it's going to be a joy to paint both versions of it. Good job!
As for the KS timings etc, come on guys, anyone getting on board of these crazy projects should assume from the start that, well... schedules are hardly accurate and many things can change the most well planed project... that's the difference between investing on a KS or buying something already produced and on sale.
Even when things are already on the shops sometimes there's not enough stock levels or distribution sucks... So yes if you have issues with being flexible towards where you put your money then just don't invest.
There's also a HUGE deal of risk regarding these KS's, you never know how the quality is going to turn out in the end and if the things are even going to be produced etc...
Me personally I love minis but I dislike investing on KS's or Indiegogo's because well I rather wait and buy when its available ( even if I lose the deals) because waiting MONTHS for a huge chunk of minis is just not for me... WIth that said I managed to get into these Sedition lted stuff from a friend that was kind enough to order some for me, but if that failed I would save my money and buy them on salute or something.
Bolognesus wrote: @AegisGrimm:
They essentially said that at this stage, you'd have to email CMoN so they can still change the shipping label. Mail them tomorrow and you'll be safe
That assumes CMON gets the email, and reads it and then acts upon what they read. Not an assumption I would be willing to make.
I would wait until the 2nd or 3rd and try to call them as well as email them, and keep tryin until you get a reply.
...True. This was what they said in the update themselves, though
Bolognesus wrote: @AegisGrimm:
They essentially said that at this stage, you'd have to email CMoN so they can still change the shipping label. Mail them tomorrow and you'll be safe
That assumes CMON gets the email, and reads it and then acts upon what they read. Not an assumption I would be willing to make.
I would wait until the 2nd or 3rd and try to call them as well as email them, and keep tryin until you get a reply.
...True. This was what they said in the update themselves, though
Also true is that I don't consider the advice unique to CMON. Until you get a human to acknowledge, the message can't be considered delivered... This time of year folks can get overwelmed and miss stuff as they try to catch up after time off.
True. I must say that for all their lacking CS, CMoN has appeared (to me) to be quite on top of things such as lastminute adress changes and refunds etc. Still, doesn't hurt to make a phonecall, indeed
Just bringing this post up again in case anyone is buying it just for the Sedition Wars stuff - Mahrdol on the Studio McVey forum is reporting that this issue does not contain any Sedition Wars scenario or information it looks like it was pulled from the magazine but not the advertising for it due to the delayed shipping.
Just bringing this post up again in case anyone is buying it just for the Sedition Wars stuff - Mahrdol on the Studio McVey forum is reporting that this issue does not contain any Sedition Wars scenario or information it looks like it was pulled from the magazine but not the advertising for it due to the delayed shipping.
Thanks for that DaveC,
I was considering getting it for the SW scenario so that's saved me a bit
(surprised they pulled stuff though as a month is not long delay)
Ya I don't see it. Been through the Ravage #5 magazine 4-5 times now. There is just a 1 page ad for the SW game. Nothing on cover and nothing in the Table of contents to say it was supposed to be there.
Apologies for the derail (but it seems there is nothing to report ATM), but what exactly is Ravage Magazine? I've heard a bit about it from various places, but I see that they appear to have content for multiple systems (X-Wing, Infinity) as well as reviews. Is it a licensed product, a truly independent effort, tool of alien invasion...?
Since WD has gone the way of... well, gone, a nice generalist gaming magazine seems a nice thing...
Buzzsaw wrote: Apologies for the derail (but it seems there is nothing to report ATM), but what exactly is Ravage Magazine? I've heard a bit about it from various places, but I see that they appear to have content for multiple systems (X-Wing, Infinity) as well as reviews. Is it a licensed product, a truly independent effort, tool of alien invasion...?
Since WD has gone the way of... well, gone, a nice generalist gaming magazine seems a nice thing...
It is published by coolmini
Obviously they have a stake in some of the stuff they put in the magazine. It seems nice and has info provided from various game publishers/designers about their games. The magazine is nice glossy paper.
Buzzsaw wrote: Apologies for the derail (but it seems there is nothing to report ATM), but what exactly is Ravage Magazine? I've heard a bit about it from various places, but I see that they appear to have content for multiple systems (X-Wing, Infinity) as well as reviews. Is it a licensed product, a truly independent effort, tool of alien invasion...?
Since WD has gone the way of... well, gone, a nice generalist gaming magazine seems a nice thing...
It's a CMON published english language version of a French gaming magazine, translating the best/most relevant to the US content of the French version, and adding some of their own too
the blurb at CMON says
"Product Description
Ravage, the premier French miniatures and table top gaming magazine, is now available in the U.S.A.! The only independent magazine in print catering to the fantasy and science fiction tabletop gamer, each bimonthly issue is chock full of reviews, previews, news, event coverage and painting how tos!"
Huh, so the material in the magazine would then seem to be "official", to such an extent as anything ever is I suppose. It's translated from French eh? Hmmm...
Really nice magazine, definitely worth a fiver a month. I missed it, but I think there were some scenarioes for Zombicide and other stuff in one of the early issues?
But yes its at least 50 times better than current WD, there is even coverage of current GW models/books (alongside other releases in the industry) in the form of reviews which is obviously a more impartial attempt at coverage.
NAVARRO wrote: Ramirez is brilliant! I think that it's going to be a joy to paint both versions of it. Good job!
As for the KS timings etc, come on guys, anyone getting on board of these crazy projects should assume from the start that, well... schedules are hardly accurate and many things can change the most well planed project... that's the difference between investing on a KS or buying something already produced and on sale.
Even when things are already on the shops sometimes there's not enough stock levels or distribution sucks... So yes if you have issues with being flexible towards where you put your money then just don't invest.
I agree with most of your post, but to be fair, the timings given for Sedition Wars should have been accurate - McVey himself has said that he's project managed a lot of stuff from China, and CMON have put together boxed product before (SDE). Even before the printer issues came to light, it appeared to be running late, and for us backers, we expected that guys with this level of experience would be accurate with their timings, particularly as this was probably the first Kickstarter for a lot of people (it was my first). With SW, I'm chalking it up to lessons learned.
NOW, with newer Kickstarters, I take it into account, and it seems so do a lot of the KS creators giving themselves a lot longer to deliver (witness the delivery time on KD).
scipio.au wrote: NOW, with newer Kickstarters, I take it into account, and it seems so do a lot of the KS creators giving themselves a lot longer to deliver (witness the delivery time on KD).
Indeed - if I were thinking of running a KS at any point, I'd look at the planned timeline, then add a buffer of a couple of months to the end, just in case anything unexpected happens.
Better the under-promise and over-deliver, and all that jazz...
scipio.au wrote: NOW, with newer Kickstarters, I take it into account, and it seems so do a lot of the KS creators giving themselves a lot longer to deliver (witness the delivery time on KD).
Indeed - if I were thinking of running a KS at any point, I'd look at the planned timeline, then add a buffer of a couple of months to the end, just in case anything unexpected happens.
Better the under-promise and over-deliver, and all that jazz...
Indeed... the feeling I get is that now client is more aware of how these miniatures projects can and do slide because now you have a direct interest in the early steps of development.
Project Update #73: USA containers are here!
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot Like
We're sorting out the shipping assembly line now, and will have batch uploads of tracking info starting next Tuesday and expect to have all USA and rest of the world shipped out next week. Please do not send emails or PMs about shipping info next week, we'll update again once everything that's eligible to ship has gone out.
For European backers, the containers have not yet hit and we'll continue to monitor it, but expect them next week (as mentioned in the previous update).
Now I'm exited to see my stuff arrive either next week or the week after!
Now, after I've gotten all those extra models with my Biohazard pledge, does anyone know when we will be able to download the "Quarantine" and "Lights Out" campaigns?
MORE NEWS, as you know if you've been getting the updates from KS the US/ROW shipments are in and due to start shipping tuesday 7th Jan
Well Mike posted this on the Studio McVey forum today
Okay - just had definite word on the UK shipment.
Sorry for the delay on this - it's been very hard to get any information over the Christmas break. Shipping offices have been closed and people have been away from their desks. I didn't want to post until I had concrete information.
The good news is - the shipment arrived last week, and is currently sitting in the UK warehouse ready to be shipped out to backers. They are just waiting for the custom shipping boxes to arrive (which is imminent) and will start shipping out orders any time now.
More news as soon as I have it.
cheers!
mike
so the UK/EU stuff is in and will start going out as soon as the shipping boxes are in/assembled
So looks like both the USA and the UK warehouses are in a race to ship out this week (and possibly into next week). UK has less to ship, but still needs some packing materials, so we'll see who gets done first.
European backers, we'll update again when shipping begins proper and batch emails start going out. That is all, CMON out.
I think it will, Orlando, and look at it this way- once there's actual non-KS-only-news (such as things going up for preorder, or even maybe greens posted in a non-KS setting) those can be put in N&R.
But for the "the boat's in the water!" type updates I think it makes sense to keep it in it's appropriate section for KS-only discussion
My beloved Dreamforge Games one is over in Misc Miniature Games, after all! Hopefully there will be actual news to report soon, though, as I expect his items to go out for retail sale soon after the rewards are shipped next month.
Best case by my understanding is that CMON starts shipping today. For Zombicide many folks either never got a tracking number or got it after the game was delivered. Lack of tracking numbers won't be a surprise for this.
CptJake wrote: Best case by my understanding is that CMON starts shipping today. For Zombicide many folks either never got a tracking number or got it after the game was delivered. Lack of tracking numbers won't be a surprise for this.
I'd actually almost prefer it that way. That way there is just going to be a massive box waiting for me at home as opposed to me anal retentively and anxiously refreshing the tracking number page.
Honestly it doesn't matter to me either way. I'm just not going to be disappointed if I don't get a tracking number this week or next, since I honestly am not expecting one.
I'm so excited. It'll be good to finally get one of the projects I kickstarted. Since I'm pretty sure I'm never getting that AoW standard bearer . Though Dreamforge should be in this month too!!!!! I can't wait!!!
Hulksmash wrote: I'm so excited. It'll be good to finally get one of the projects I kickstarted. Since I'm pretty sure I'm never getting that AoW standard bearer . Though Dreamforge should be in this month too!!!!! I can't wait!!!
If it's packaged anything like Zombiecide was, you're going to be supremely impressed. Zombiecide was packages perhaps the most professionally of anything I've ever received in the mail.
cincydooley wrote: If it's packaged anything like Zombiecide was, you're going to be supremely impressed. Zombiecide was packages perhaps the most professionally of anything I've ever received in the mail.
I don't care if it's in a brown paper bag. I just want my figs.
Does anyone know how to get hold of the Sedition War guys? I've sent them a message on Kickstarter about 2 weeks ago, but haven't gotten a reply yet - perhaps that wasn't the best way to go about it.
Hulksmash wrote: I'm so excited. It'll be good to finally get one of the projects I kickstarted. Since I'm pretty sure I'm never getting that AoW standard bearer . Though Dreamforge should be in this month too!!!!! I can't wait!!!
Avatars of War indiegogo project? what happened?
As far as tracking numbers go, I got my zombicide tracking number the same day as I got my game.
gohkm wrote: Does anyone know how to get hold of the Sedition War guys? I've sent them a message on Kickstarter about 2 weeks ago, but haven't gotten a reply yet - perhaps that wasn't the best way to go about it.
Is it really something that pressing? If yes, I'd go through the KS page and, at the very least, CMON will direct you in the right place.
If it really isn't important, I'd wait and give them a chance to get this shipping done.
Jussayin.
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Hulksmash wrote: I'm so excited. It'll be good to finally get one of the projects I kickstarted. Since I'm pretty sure I'm never getting that AoW standard bearer . Though Dreamforge should be in this month too!!!!! I can't wait!!!
Yeah, I'm due one of those as well. Lemme know if you gain any traction there.
I was pretty sure it wasn't going to come thru which is why I only put up for the standard bearer instead of all the possible awesome. But I'll let you know if anything comes of it.
gohkm wrote: @ cincydooley: Unfortunately, it actually is about this shipping thing. Due to a variety of circumstances, I need to update them about this.
Contact C'MON thru the Kickstarter page. They're really good with responding.
gohkm wrote: @ cincydooley: Unfortunately, it actually is about this shipping thing. Due to a variety of circumstances, I need to update them about this.
Contact C'MON thru the Kickstarter page. They're really good with responding.
He said he did try via kickstarter...
I found this on the Dream Pod 9 web site:
Cool Mini or Not Inc
Cool Mini or Not Inc.
1050 Nine North Drive, suite D
Alpharetta Georgia 30004.
United States
Phone: 404-906-1715.
Hulksmash wrote: I'm so excited. It'll be good to finally get one of the projects I kickstarted. Since I'm pretty sure I'm never getting that AoW standard bearer . Though Dreamforge should be in this month too!!!!! I can't wait!!!
Don't say that Hulk! (About the AoW standard bearer) I want to buy it from one of you guys when you get it
Dreamforge wave 1 I think will follow closely after Sedition Wars, although I think it's hitting the states at the very end of January so might be shipping at the very start of February (I'm not counting on getting it until mid-Feb).
the £25 covers p&p from uk . also vat and import tax {or what ever peoples local versions are}
so for example my package would be about £100 so vat at 20% plus import tax and royal mails super great "handeling charge" i would of been looking at a extra £40 at least if it had come from the US. plus the delays .
A special section in the Studio McVey forum has been set up for Mike McVey to put up assembly guides for your Sedition Wars figure (for those that need them)
Mikes post: This section of the forum will act as a guide to assembling the miniatures that come in Sedition Wars: Battle for Alabaster. I am going to be writing a series of articles, looking at everything from general tips and tricks, to step-by-step guides for some of the ore complex pieces.
Many of the miniatures that come in the box are very easy to assemble - requiring only to be glued to a base, but some require a little more work. With the larger miniatures, like the Grendlr, we didn't want to compromise the design of the miniature, so the part count had to be quite high. I know this may be intimidating for those of you who are not experienced in multi-part miniatures, but hopefully we can ease that pain by guiding you through the process here.
I am going to be writing the actual articles over on the Studio McVey blog (it's far easier to lay them out), but will be linking each with unique topics so they are easy to find.
I want to keep this forum clean and uncluttered, to make specific articles easy to find - so I have disabled posting new topics. You are more than welcome to reply to existing topics though - with hints and tips of your own, or to let us know if you are having difficulty.
Whether or not they are not-Firefly enough is one thing, but overall, I'm really happy with the overall quality and I'm very glad that my not so insubstantial investment in their Kickstarter is going to turn out quite nicely in the end!
Zoey, River, and Mal are great. Jane doesn't quite do it as Jane. Overall quality on the mini's though is great. I'm glad I picked up two of them. One is going to be a gift for the buddy who made me but the series to watch it again
US - 1500 boxes out the door as of time of writing. 1700 boxes still in various stages of process (some on trailer, some being packed etc).
UK - 1200 packed, waiting on HMS Customs to release resin Karas for insertion, expect to have everything out the door Monday.
Shipping info should start going live as we get it over the weekend and next week, some USA backers may get items by Tuesday (ish). UK backers should get items via Parcel Force next week, rest of Europe via UPS or other courier around the same time although courier timing may vary a little.
DaveC wrote: US - 1500 boxes out the door as of time of writing. 1700 boxes still in various stages of process (some on trailer, some being packed etc).
I read this, I noted that my last name starts with the letter "V" and cried a little inside.
K here.
I'm at that awkward zero-space in that I'm not sure if I'm in the first batch or the second batch. Sometimes, false-hope is worse than no-hope.
Do we know if they're doing it by last name? It arguably makes the most sense, but maybe they're doing it by username.
The funny thing is, when the containers arrived In the uk they likely landed in Southampton and were less than 5 min from my house, only to be driven to god knows where, to be packaged and posted back to me, 5 minutes from the landing point
If they're doing it alphabetically in the uk too then I'm one of the first regardless of which initial of mine they choose (C.A.B) they can take their pick, any way you cut it I'm onto a winner
Anyone one here recieved their sets yet? Looking forward to seeing some closeup shots of all the goods.
Thanks for all the extra info posts as well guys, been lurking on the thread for a while and cmon arn't exactly the fastest (when they do it at all) at relaying info from the McVey site to KS
Gotta say some of the calamity crew look like they will need a bit of conversion work to get looking more like their originals. River is fine, Mal and Zoe need a little reposing but Jayne will definitely be needing a nice bobble hat, pretty cunning don't you think?
and the dice - all pictures thanks to darkendlight (from the StudioMcVey forums)
yeah I'm using my own photobucket account to host them on the Studio McVey forum as the attachment function is very limited over there so I'd rather people didn't direct link into my account if they want to repost them. Thanks Bolognesus (and Dakkadakka )for rehosting them.
And a snippet of news on the downloadable campaigns
Both the Quarantine and Lights Out campaigns are in layout at the moment - I hope to have the first available for download very soon.
Ah, figured I'd seen that name somewhere else Are those dice semi-transparent? hmm, not entirely sold on the color...
That font for the numbers more than makes up for it though - Glad I have two sets coming
I certainly hope my Grendlr goes together with less gaps than that one, even though I don't have an issue with green stuff. Looks like with all the stretch goal figures I'm getting, I will be scraping mold lines for a good lone time........
Casting looks good on the character. We'll see how it comes out. Super excited but don't expect to see the stuff before friday depending on the order they are shipping in
That's a high res version suitable for printing, and the JPEG version is below.
For EU based backers, HM (no S) customs is still saying they are backlogged so we've gone ahead and shipped everything else today, and your Karas will follow once the government figures out that they're harmless. Just one of those things, please accept our apologies for the wait.
With any luck, everyone, everywhere will have their games this week, except maybe Australia / New Zealand which takes a little longer to transit.
So, EU stuff is shipped Seems like we don't get a printed version of alt Kara with the Biohazard set? bit of a loose end... still, I have a decent printer so no worries here
It's pretty cool that they've put an alternate stat card together for us as when it was initially asked during the KS there were no plans to do one for her
Wonder if I'll get mine tomorrow if they shipped today?
I can guarantee mine will arrive on Wednesday when I'm out at the pub with the goths. Then I will have to fit the mail troll at the main post office for it.
There's one thing that ruins the Tech-Comm Kara Black fluff piece for me, which is that I absolutely hate the usual treatment of the "Murdering Twinmaker" concept, which is to say its non-treatment.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: It's pretty cool that they've put an alternate stat card together for us as when it was initially asked during the KS there were no plans to do one for her
Wonder if I'll get mine tomorrow if they shipped today?
Ah, that makes sense then!
You'll get yours via parcelforce if you're in the UK, so that should be tomorrow! They said they were using "UPS or other courier" for the rest of the EU so that should mean all of us should have it in a few days - we'll actually get it faster than lots of US backers (except of course for resin Kara, but oh well )
It's a hell of an added expense, shipping 1200 extra packages however small they might be - it might be largely offset by what it would have cost to rent the warehouse they were doing fulfillment in for several more days? still, not to the tune of 1200xGBP2ish average shipping, I'd guess
Still have my concerns about the material, if its anything like the stuff PP used to use ill cry....
Automatically Appended Next Post: ...ive read the assembly guides.... it is....
I hadn't been worried about the material through the whole KS campaign (and subsequent wait), but after seeing those guides... It looks like a version of the stuff that green plastic army-men were made of back in the day. Not liking that at all.
Okay, if I remember correctly the plastic was talked about early in the Kickstarter that it would be similar to PP's plastic. To bring it up now and complain, just seems well whiney to me, especially if you do not have the game in your hand currently.
Sirius42 wrote: Having never bought anything from PP, can someone please explain what the issue with the plastic is?
If its the same stuff its very difficult to work with, most call it restic as its a mix of resin and plastic. Knives dont cut it very easily and files tear up the material.
As for complaining if id known it was the material used would i have asked? I obviously didnt see it mentioned in the kickstarter. I still have my reservations about the material but whats done is done. Still cant wait to get my copy in the next couple of days....
Sirius42 wrote: Having never bought anything from PP, can someone please explain what the issue with the plastic is?
I find it to be weirdly brittle feeling, unyielding to mold cleaning, slightly greasy, mixed unevenly, and round. I don't know how much of this was my personal experience (haven't gotten a ton of PP plastics) or PP's treatment of them, but I wasn't happy with them. wherever possible, I've gotten older metal sculpts instead.
Well that don't fill me with confidence, it looks like the kinda stuff kids toys are made of, though that might just be the photo. I am hoping its going to be alright, I just hope it doesn't lose all the sharp edges.
you just have to use a nice sharp knife and slice the flash off rather than scrape , you can also smooth bits that have been roughened by a file or similar by scrubing that bit with a old tooth brush and some acatone .
A friend of mine got his copy of Sedition Wars today. (Not sure why his has gotten here and mine has not).
I wish I could ask for a refund. I went for this kickstarter based on the quality of Studio McVey and the dozens of sedition wars miniatures I already owned.
Seeing this? It was disappointing to say the least. I don't even think it will be easy to sell and get rid of.
ill reserve judgement till i have it in my hands. Im a little apprehensive though i must say, Wish someone would put a review up and some more detailed pictures.
Be a shame if McVey Studios dropped the ball on this one....
Is it the plastic you guys have issues with (i.e. mold lines) or are the actual models not detailed enough. The photos up on the McVey Blog show some pretty nice and detailed figures. Does the box not match up?
Hulksmash wrote: Is it the plastic you guys have issues with (i.e. mold lines) or are the actual models not detailed enough. The photos up on the McVey Blog show some pretty nice and detailed figures. Does the box not match up?
The unique Kickstarter sculpts look fine from the previews. It's the contents of the box that is... :(
I have never had any PP plastics, so I cannot compare these to them, but I would say that they seem just above toy quality. The bases are the greasy toy quality hard plastic, however.
The problem with parts not fitting is caused by both warping and some pieces that seems to just not fit right. I tried fitting together the Grendlr and the sides were badly warped, leaving a large gap on either the bottom or top. Its mouth piece even left gaps that were not due to warping, just the pieces not fitting well. The rifle arms on the female Vanguard troopers seem to not fit either body well, as they have 1 arm type for both when they are slightly different. The 2 different female special weapons arms can only fit on 1 type of body each, and the rifle arms don't seem to fit either pose well.
Overall, I am quite disappointed in the figures.
On the other components, the tiles are bigger than I expected, but also seem a bit thin (2mm), but this might just be because they are so large. The non-map tile cardboard components are only 1mm thick, which defiantly seems thin to me (this includes the train cars) My resin Kara's sword sheath was broken in shipping, figure seems to have a good amount of flash, but I don't have experience with this type of resin, so I don't know what to expect. Infection/shield chips seem fine, snap under the bases well.
I actually meant the blog posts he's got up showing how to assemble models from the box. Those are the characters naturally but they are going in every game box.
I'll just have to wait and see I guess. Hope it comes soon as I'm still excited. Granted I've spent the week putting together FW models and some other non-gw figures that don't fit so well but the internet images of the models don't seem to bad. We'll have to see.
As if millions of geeks cried out in rage over hundreds of dollars wasted on what was once thought of as a dream project... And were suddenly silenced...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Odd though, as Hulk mentioned, the minis shown on his blog look nice...
Alpharius wrote: As if millions of geeks cried out in rage over hundreds of dollars wasted on what was once thought of as a dream project... And were suddenly silenced...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Odd though, as Hulk mentioned, the minis shown on his blog look nice...
After comparing them, I can say that the detail in the actual figures is pretty much the same as the ones he has (I was having trouble comparing with the small pictures on the KS page before), though the base is certainly different (they are very greasy and glossy, the one he has is too flat). The characters seem to go together rather well; the problem is with some of the other figures warping and the quality of the plastic.
Just got mine when i got home tonight. The quality of the figs is about what i was expecting so far (i have never expected a box o' resin-level figs, nor did i expect zombicide-type figs). It's fantastic sculpts cast in an ok mid-level material. I have not tried piecing anything together yet, but i did dig through the various bags like... well, like something excited that likes to dig through plastic bags. Maybe a feline hopped up on catnip. Anyways...
I took a quick cellphone picture of a few of the sedition wars figures and some figs from other ranges for size comparison. My apologies but the pic is not all that great.
The detail on the minis is actually quite good. The edges of the armor on the Vanguard are not as crisp as i'd expected, but based off the definition on the abs it might be the way it's supposed to look. The Strain fig has a lovely amount of gross detail as well. I didn't take a pic but my resin Kara is lovely and without flaw. Some resin-style flash tabs but that's normal.
The bases are a bit.. shiny, i guess, but again there's some nice detail on them. I also really like the way the infection counters socket into the bottom.
I expect everything to paint up well, the detail is solid. This isn't a box of forgeworld resins but frankly i'd take these over, say, plastic Cadians in a heartbeat. As a minor update while typing this i tried to put some together. The first trooper slotted together neatly but the big strain was a little off - nothing green stuff can't easily fix but not as nice a fit as i would have hoped. I'm sure we will hear lots of feedback on how things fit together as people really start working with the models.
Also i don't know if there's been much rules discussion, but after a quick read I think i really like it. In particular the way the Strain works, with infections and clouds of spores used both as a weapon and a currency, is pretty neat. Looking forward to getting some play time in.
another quick note- i cannot get a decent pic with this blasted phone to save my life but wanted to reassure people that the Vanguard visors do have nice edges/lines around them, it's not as soft as it looks in the pic. You can clearly make out the dividing line between the visor and the helmet and around the rebreather. The detail is a bit shallow so i think you'll need to be careful base-coating, but it's there.
Two tiles on my table, with a laptop mouse and some figs for scale:
A lone chaos marine standing guard in a dark docking bay, no doubt soon to be infected and / or eaten:
It's not *thick* cardstock but it's not flimsy. it would bow under a dreadnought (proper metal one, mind you) but any plastic figs would be fine. Also, why you would stretch it out over a gap in the first place i do not know. Board game tiles are for tables, not building bridges. From a quick flip through the manual i think you'll never need more tiles at once than can easily fit on even a folding card table.
Looks like normal Restik to me. But with Restik people need to get better files and stop scraping with a knive. A good quality clockmakers file with teething 4 or 6 cleans up those minis in a few minutes. Cheap files only rough it up. OK, the better files are a little bit expensive, but will last you a lifetime.
Also, as usual one needs to soak the plastic minis in soapwater for some time. That´s the usual prcedure to make sure that the removal agent is washed away and does not cause problems with paint.
Restik minis are hard tp photograph and only show their detail when primed and then photographed.
Stat cards are 2.5 inches tall by almost 3.5 inches wide. Don't know if that's standard Magic size or not, sorry. Decent stock but i'm glad they won't need to be shuffled repeatedly. The printing on them is excellent, which is good since there's a lot of fine print.
Dujek wrote: Stat cards are 2.5 inches tall by almost 3.5 inches wide. Don't know if that's standard Magic size or not, sorry. Decent stock but i'm glad they won't need to be shuffled repeatedly. The printing on them is excellent, which is good since there's a lot of fine print.
Duncan makes a good point that they look better in person than in pictures. I've got some Trollcast stuff from Tre's kickstarter and i would say that although these are a step down in quality (not shocking since i know everyone tends to rave about trollcast), the minis have plenty of nice detail. The sculpts don't help either in the sense that these are not chunky GW figs with the sort of sharp edges and hard lines everywhere that people are used to. The Vanguard armor is sleek and the Strain are covered in organic goop, knobs, and nodules. Holding them and looking at them, i remain convinced they'll look pretty enough once they're painted up.
Another note after re-reading the manual and examining the tiles more closely. They used a thin red line along edges of scenery on the tiles to indicate low cover, and a thin blue line to indicate windows. It's a clever way to head off arguments about what is or isn't cover and the lines are not obtrusive enough to interfere with the art, although some of the blue lines were a bit hard to see without really looking for them carefully.
My box arrived today and have to say I'm very happy with the quality overall. No complaints here in the plastics, rigid and durable feeling. Can't wait to start putting models together. Did a few dry fits to see how the alignment was and all went together fine. Just some flash clean up to do but was expected. The tiles I expect to last through normal use, standard quality and very nice graphics.
If you aren't happy then don't know what makes you happy then. This is a good looking board game and going to look even better painted. Looking forward to building Mars station from worldworks to make new terrain.
knightdrake wrote: My box arrived today and have to say I'm very happy with the quality overall. No complaints here in the plastics, rigid and durable feeling. Can't wait to start putting models together. Did a few dry fits to see how the alignment was and all went together fine. Just some flash clean up to do but was expected. The tiles I expect to last through normal use, standard quality and very nice graphics.
If you aren't happy then don't know what makes you happy then. This is a good looking board game and going to look even better painted. Looking forward to building Mars station from worldworks to make new terrain.
how do you rate them compared to
Games Workshop plastic mini?
Wyrd miniatures plastic
Privateer Press
Looking at the newer pics (thanks Dujek) the alarm bellsare ringing a little less loudly. Its definitely restic but lets be honest those miniatures are a step up from the majority of the boardgames figures out there.
They look like they will take paint nicely once cleaned up and that looks to be the time consuming point. I may look into some of those files mentioned if they are the way forward.
hopefully it will arrive today!! Anyone had time to play a game yet?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Now that Sedition Wars boxes are appearing in the wild, team McVey has put together assembly guides for the figures. You'll only need to put them together once, but there are fiddly bits.
We'll be putting together a downloadable PDF of the assembly guide and if there's enough demand for it, include a hardcopy with the 2nd shipment due to you all.
A couple of tips:
Soak the plastic figs and bases in mild detergent to get rid of the release agents
Use super glue (cynao-acrylate) to put them together
You'll need a new craft blade and an emery board/file
Also, a few reminders - all the unlocked bonus characters, optional sculpts, DVD and terrain pack are coming in the 2nd wave. Some of the packing slips have terrain packs erroneously marked on them, don't worry we won't miss them next round.
Also, the alt resin Kara will have a hard copy card coming with the 2nd shipment. So don't waste time making a super nice high quality one, you won't need it.
These jeweler/clockmaker files really work. Back then I had problems filing the Alkemy minis and got the tip from a sculptor to try those files. Since then tehy have worked quite fine, for all kinds of board game plastics and Restik (Alkemy, Mantic, etc.)
I use "Grobet-Swiss Vallorbe Halfround #3008". One costs up to 20$ but since getting I can work way faster on projects (also works excelent on all kins of metals). Btw. the US-Army in the past used to use Grobet-files, so that´s probably also a way to nail them down.
Seems like the detail has held up rather quite well with the Kara Black mini mike just posted on his blog, her scar on her right cheek is even noticeable.
He's availing himself to questions on the forum and is an old CMON forum vet, so from the nice results he got I guess this qualifies him as our first assembly expert!
and from that topic, among others:
Warning - the Grendlrs do not fit well.
The plastic does hold lots of detail, but does not sand well.
Honestly guys? After having worked with plenty of mantic's restic and PP's plastic (basically the same stuff, more or less) I can say knives actually work *fine* as long as they're really sharp.
Lots of hobbyists, in my experience, use their (extremely cheap...) disposable knife blades for way too long before replacing them - with this stuff it's a bit more of an issue but try to teach yourself to replace that stuff regularly - it's dirt cheap (esp. when bought in bulk) and it'll save you no end of frustration also files: well, don't use your GW/GF9/AP/cheapohobbystore files - they can tear the material a bit, that's true (now I've never been a fan of files for anything but metal, so take this with a teensy grain of salt!) - those emery boards are said to do fine.
I wouldn't know; a knife is the only tool I need with this stuff and really, it's *different* to work with - not so much harder. Just takes a little getting used to! (and get used to it 'cause you're going to see plenty of this stuff in years to come - it's a great in-between material between hard plastic and more expensive stuff )
I can confirm the shiny look makes this material look bad and photograph bad - until you prime it - then it holds it's detail quite well. in my experience it can look a bit soft before priming - which actually makes that go away. Don't ask me how - just be happy
Personally I can't wait to get my box and if any disgruntled EU backer wants to get rid of theirs for cheap, feel free to PM I'm sufficiently confident to say that before having my own boxes in hand.
The quality isn't as good as a Trollcast/RBG fig or Alkemy figs. It's better than some forgeworld stuff (cadian accessories) and worse than others (enginseer). Better detail than GW plastic overall, but smaller figures and a lot less chunky too. I only have metal figs from Privateer Press but i'd compare these favorably to most of my IK minis in terms of detail. Looking really critically, some of the Sedition Wars figures could be accused of being a little soft on some details but i'm having trouble telling if it's the organic nature of the sculpts or if it's the restic. There's definitely no detail that is outright lost though and i really think you will need to be very careful base coating them. I had the same issue with the fine details on some Alkemy figures way back and with some Forgeworld stuff.
I'm going to mark the minis down as 'very good' as a final grade. I'm also tremendously excited to try playing it - i think most people here are going to be talking about the figures for some time, but the rules look they'll be a blast too.
yeah looks like 48 hour option was taken. I asked Ali and she said she had to ask Mike. Still Parcelforce do deliver in the afternoon so dont lose hope.....
knightdrake wrote: My box arrived today and have to say I'm very happy with the quality overall. No complaints here in the plastics, rigid and durable feeling. Can't wait to start putting models together. Did a few dry fits to see how the alignment was and all went together fine. Just some flash clean up to do but was expected. The tiles I expect to last through normal use, standard quality and very nice graphics.
If you aren't happy then don't know what makes you happy then. This is a good looking board game and going to look even better painted. Looking forward to building Mars station from worldworks to make new terrain.
how do you rate them compared to
Games Workshop plastic mini?
Wyrd miniatures plastic
Privateer Press
if at all possible?
are they HeroClix quality or a bit better?
Far better than Heroclix quality. Harder than Wyrd plastic, those models feel soft to me. I'd put these between GW and PP in how it feel. The witch has a long barb off the hand and it wasn't all bendy or warped. As for hardness it passed the finger nail test of pressing into the plastic. As other have reported it is a smooth slick like surface. I've not started removing flash yet but I alway use new blades on each project. Usually don't have issues with most clean ups because of that.
This is a good quality set of minis for a board game. Only complaint so far is organizing the flow of the rulebook. Game setup was mid book the scenarios at the end. Felt that all should have been together. Also had to flip back and find what to roll for a status check since it wasn't with the list of status effects. Minor stuff but would help the flow.
Sorry for being a bit alarmist yesterday, after thinking about it, I realize I have very limited experience with plastics (GW, Wargames Factory [their new WW2 stuff, so decent quality], and Zombicide) so I am probably not the best person to judge on quality. Added to that is the fact that my x-acto knife's blade has not been changed for years and is very dull.
Is anyone else who has gotten it having as much trouble with warped or bent parts as me? So far I have found the Grendlr's parts to be badly warped and the female trooper's rifle arms to not fit either female trooper (as they tried to make the arms for both), and the brimstone's front legs to be bent badly inwards.
cincydooley wrote: Awe man.... People have gotten tracking numbers? Maybe mine won't be waiting on my doorstep this afternoon....
Crap sandwhich.
I got mine yesterday and still don't have a tracking number, so it seems to vary between people.
This is a good quality set of minis for a board game. Only complaint so far is organizing the flow of the rulebook. Game setup was mid book the scenarios at the end. Felt that all should have been together. Also had to flip back and find what to roll for a status check since it wasn't with the list of status effects. Minor stuff but would help the flow.
I agree on the odd layout of the rulebook I also noticed a lot of typos throughout the book, especially with punctuation (lots of ? instead of .). Also, I notice a mention of "secondary objectives" in the setup section, but they are not mentioned after that and secondary objectives do not appear in any of the scenarios.
I am generally quite impressed with the overall quality of the models. Having got used to the stubborn mold lines in my Dreadball set I now know what I am facing!
I was worried that some of the details would be lot in the transfer to plastic but from the comments and pics that does not seem to be the case.
I am looking forward to the next wave now. Very crious to see how the terrain turns out especially!
I got mine in! It's exciting. For the record, I did NOT get a tracking number before delivery.
Everything does indeed seem to be of great quality. Those photographs you're seeing tend to dull the details.
The tentacley-strain-guy does indeed have an awkward fit primarily due to being multiple parts.
The heavy gunner guy, has such a mess of components that it's hard to understand what is what. The sniper girl isn't far behind if only because her right arm is so dainty. I can see how non-modellers would find this board game to be a nightmare.
The red markers have a satisfyingly snug fit on the bottoms of the provided bases. I had slight difficulty removing the marker without effort.
I did a full inventory, and I seem to be missing a single base. Considering I opened both bags of bases simultaneously, I'm not sure which bag had the missing base.
Everything else checks out just fine assuming the pile/mess of the special characters' parts are all accounted for.
EDIT: Scratch that problem with the missing base. After looking through the cards:
I have an extra Samaritan Reaver body
Instead of a helmeted female body, I have a helmetless female body.
I have an extra female rifle
Everything pretty much balances out such that 20 Vanguard Riflemen (of different variants) with a single extra rifle.
Additionally, I have an extra Vanguard Reaver body without a gun or a base. He'll probably en up being a base decoration for a strain model.
@Absolutionis
would you happen to be TrystanGST (guessing not) or Kiko on the Studio McVey forums? If not there seem to be several people reporting the exact same 'spare parts' which given how such minis are packed probably means we all get the extras.
...How much work would it take to get that spare rifle onto the reaver body?
I believe the second reaver was 'replaced' by the $140000 Barker Zosa stretch goal? Could be mistaken, though.
Bolognesus wrote: @Absolutionis
would you happen to be TrystanGST (guessing not) or Kiko on the Studio McVey forums? If not there seem to be several people reporting the exact same 'spare parts' which given how such minis are packed probably means we all get the extras.
...How much work would it take to get that spare rifle onto the reaver body?
I believe the second reaver was 'replaced' by the $140000 Barker Zosa stretch goal? Could be mistaken, though.
I have the same extra Reaver with no arms and extra rifle. He came in the bag of extra figures for the Kickstarer, as there are 2 in the base game and 1 in the extra figures with arms. There are 12 other Samaritans than the armless Reaver in the Kickstarter extra bag, which is the number for the stretch goal, so he seems to be an extra body that was accidentally included in the Kickstarter extra bags. Seems we all get a free base decoration then (maybe the Reaver that Grendlr is eating on the front of the box?)
I look at the forums, but I'm not on them. I guess it's safe to assume these spare parts are common.
I read the Barker Zosa stretch goal announcements, but it doesn't indicate that he replaced a Reaver.
Regardless, you get three of each heavy weapon, and it seems intentional. The heavy weapons come on a triple-sprue with one of each of the three weapons (Reaver, Lancer, Grenade Launcher). You get three sprues in the Biohazard pack.
As for converting the extra Male Reaver Trooper to hold the female rifle, I doubt it's going to happen easily. The male Reaver bodies are missing their entire arms; the Reaver gun contains these missing parts. The female rifle bits are daintier than the male counterparts and have only the left hand. You're going to have to sculpt the whole left arm.
The extra Reaver body seems unintended.
I got home and no game. I got my tracking code, but Fed Ex doesn't recognize the number so I can't even see when it's coming ....
I severely hope that the plastic lives up to my expected quality. As someone who's had a hard financial year after Sedwars was already bought and paid for, I have already had a couple of phases where I had some severe regret about pledging for SedWars, instead of spending less to get material for the games I already have, but barely play as it is. At least a small 40K army would be another army.......
As it is model-wise, I am greatly disappointed by the lack of anything solid linking the minis to their bases other than superglue, which if the base material is sub-par, won't hold together worth a damn. I was hoping for a plug under one foot, at least. If the plastic ends up being what I would judge sub-par, I will truly be a sad panda, and might look into Ebay to at least get back what I spent.
I only use super glue for my models and they hold to the bases just fine. The only time I use an additional item (like a pin) is for specialty resin bases.
The more images that are coming the more excited I'm getting.
AegisGrimm wrote: I got home and no game. I got my tracking code, but Fed Ex doesn't recognize the number so I can't even see when it's coming ....
I severely hope that the plastic lives up to my expected quality. As someone who's had a hard financial year after Sedwars was already bought and paid for, I have already had a couple of phases where I had some severe regret about pledging for SedWars, instead of spending less to get material for the games I already have, but barely play as it is. At least a small 40K army would be another army.......
As it is model-wise, I am greatly disappointed by the lack of anything solid linking the minis to their bases other than superglue, which if the base material is sub-par, won't hold together worth a damn. I was hoping for a plug under one foot, at least. If the plastic ends up being what I would judge sub-par, I will truly be a sad panda, and might look into Ebay to at least get back what I spent.
You're in the US, it's being delivered via USPS. Try that.
The base material is just fine. It's solid. The models are also light enough that they likely won't get dislodged from the base too easily even if you drop them.
Source: I drop tested a model.
If in doubt, consider placing a very small amount of epoxy putty (of the coarse grain white kind) on the bases along with super glue. I've found that this even holds metal models to any basing material including stone, brick, or cork.
Worst case, you can go hardcore overkill and pin everything.
Hulksmash wrote: I only use super glue for my models and they hold to the bases just fine. The only time I use an additional item (like a pin) is for specialty resin bases.
The more images that are coming the more excited I'm getting.
I'm guessing that unlike this game, games you play now don't require you to snap markers onto and then back off of the bottom of the figure base...
I am worried at superglue holding with repeated use of those markers.
If it's the stuff it's said to be it's pretty damn sturdy and that CA glue will hold it to it's base just fine. However, it's always a good habit to pick up models by the base, not the model itself.
Looking forward to seeing it all in the 'flesh' not 100% what I pledged in the end, pretty sure I got the night glow stuff, and I think I have two boxes incoming.
I'm having an issue and I was wondering if anyone else was experiencing the same thing. It looks as if there is one rifle arm for two poses of the human non moving figures. I only have two guns to choose from and the arm for the walking figure fits fine. On the pose with the helmeted head the arm fits. On the other helmet less figure not so much. I have linked a picture to better show what I'm talking about. To get the hand lined up at the wrist of the left arm the right arm simply doesn't match up at the shoulder. It's not long enough to both attach properly at the wrist and at the shoulder. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
The plastic these figures are molded in are a real pain to clean. It's such a hard plastic removing mold lines is a nightmare. I was successful in placing half of the Grendlr figure in hot water to get it just a bit pliable so I could get the halves together without a huge gap at the neck.
Again: Use quality files and quality new blades when cleaning up and cleaning up should be no problem.
After spending that much money on a game you should not try to save a few cont on the tools. (Which btw, goes for anything TT-gamers buy. I too often seem them spend hundreds of dollars on miniatures only to tret them with crappy tools and then wondering why the result is so bad.)
I think I am going to have to put my female troopers under the knife to fix their posture. The way their pelvis is tilted in relation to the line of their back looks incredibly uncomfortable.
Looks like it will require carefully taking off the legs from the pelvis, separating the torso where the abs are, repositioning and pinning the torso back to the pelvis and filling the cavity with green stuff, and repositioning the legs.
Shame they didn't come as modular parts, but I guess I get to have a variety of posing styles this way, even if it does take more effort.
Forlorn wrote: I'm having an issue and I was wondering if anyone else was experiencing the same thing. It looks as if there is one rifle arm for two poses of the human non moving figures. I only have two guns to choose from and the arm for the walking figure fits fine. On the pose with the helmeted head the arm fits. On the other helmet less figure not so much. I have linked a picture to better show what I'm talking about. To get the hand lined up at the wrist of the left arm the right arm simply doesn't match up at the shoulder. It's not long enough to both attach properly at the wrist and at the shoulder. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
The plastic these figures are molded in are a real pain to clean. It's such a hard plastic removing mold lines is a nightmare. I was successful in placing half of the Grendlr figure in hot water to get it just a bit pliable so I could get the halves together without a huge gap at the neck.
I have had the same problem, the female rifle arms only come in one style for the two female figures, and dosn't fit the helmetless one well.
As to it being hard to clean, I think you need a new knife blade. I as having the exact same problem when trying to clean it with an x-acto knife, and only realized te blade was very dull after seeing a coment about changing blades on this thread. After getting some new blades, the figures clean up really easily.
Thought I would take some pictures of the crazy warping of the Brimstone's front legs. The one on the right is the correct one, while the other one’s foot has been warped inwards to an extreme degree:
Both of the front legs for both of my Kickstarter extra Brimstones are warped like this. Anyone else have Brimstones with legs this badly warped?
General Seric wrote: Thought I would take some pictures of the crazy warping of the Brimstone's front legs. The one on the right is the correct one, while the other one’s foot has been warped inwards to an extreme degree:
Both of the front legs for both of my Kickstarter extra Brimstones are warped like this. Anyone else have Brimstones with legs this badly warped?
The material tends to do that - no problem though, just get some hot water and it'll be fixed in no time (also rather good for repositioning a thinnish arm or two, usually!)
Only warping issue was the gendlr back having a gap. Not that bad to fill with putty. Other issue I encountered was glueing models on the bases. There is on type of base that is grooved so reduces surface area to glue on. My just put a little putty under the feet for a better contact.
I have to get this off my chest or I am going to explode. I am really really disappointed with the figures I have received. The best model so far out of the set of figures is the AI Drone. The resin Kara sculpt is excellent. It's how all these figures should have been cast. The vanguard are so tiny. I didn't realize how small they were going to be, more to a true 28mm. Assembly has been nothing less than an adventure because I don't have the hands of a 12 year old girl.
The Cthonian figures legs when placed look like he's bow legged. I may have to just cut the tab off completely and pin them. 3 poses of vanguard figures (1 male and 2 female) with only 2 varieties of rifles. So on the one female figure it doesn't fit properly.
The plastic/resin/plesin/rastic or whatever combo of filler used to mold is crap. I shouldn't have to buy expensive files/Acetone or use voodoo magic to remove the mold lines on this hard hard hard plastic. I don't care that this is a "boardgame" as it wasn't presented that way. I had no expectation that the quality of the figures would be less than was shown to me on the KS.
"amazing miniatures from Mike McVey!"
"the contents and play materials of the game are of the highest quality"
"Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster represents the best that miniatures gaming has to offer!"
And a 1:52 video of the figures on a turn table.
I call Shenanigins that these figures are "of the highest quality" and that the set of figures I have recieved outside of the resin Kara figure are "the best that miniatures gaming has to offer". I bought this game for the miniatures. The playability of the rules was secondary. It was all about the figures. So for me this has been truly a disappointment.
I realize now that with a value of a kickstarter you get what you pay for and that to keep the cost down subpar materials are used. Figures packed in multiple bags. Warped pieces. Huge gaps. No assembly instructions provided. So for those buying this game in stores will the game contain a link for assembly instructions on the website?
Honestly I would have preferred them to keep them on the sprues assuming they came on sprues. I might lose some parts if they fall out of a bag. I dont really get the point of those 2 stupid empty rectangles on the edges, suppose they're there for the bags to not roll around
Agreed that construction instructions would be nice, unless I'm blind and I cant find it. Even GW Snap Fit Kits have instructions. And they even threw in a Strain Conversion pic in the rulebook without really telling the basics of building
I spent a good 10 min trying to figure out where one leftover piece needed to go. The rifle and pouches, finally found it fit on Vades back. The assembly blogs could of been done sooner to prep us for all these parts.
For a boardgame I'm please with the minis. Actually been pretty pleased with the last few boardgames I bought with the quality. Gears of War are by far my favorite.
Forlorn wrote: I shouldn't have to buy expensive files/Acetone or use voodoo magic to remove the mold lines on this hard hard hard plastic.
...or, you know, a $1,99 NEW and SHARP hobby knife.
Really, how do some of you manage to get up in the morning unaided without killing yourself horribly?
Forlorn wrote: I shouldn't have to buy expensive files/Acetone or use voodoo magic to remove the mold lines on this hard hard hard plastic.
...or, you know, a $1,99 NEW and SHARP hobby knife.
Really, how do some of you manage to get up in the morning unaided without killing yourself horribly?
This is in reference to the fact that when it was brought up that a NEW and SHARP hobby knife shreds the plastic rather then simply removing the mold lines, we were told that using expensive files or acetone would fix the issue. Forlorn thought the addition of Voodoo Magic would show it was tongue in cheek..
Now I (and most folks) will realize that the mold lines must be sliced off rather then scraped off (like we're used to with most plastics) but it was amusing that people were so anxious to defend a product they didn't have in their hands.
If you were to suggest using liquid greenstuff on a finecast model it's the end of times though.
Ahem, I don´t know what the guy above is using, but I can clean them with a knife and files without problems. OK, the files should be a little bit higher quality and cost more, but a set of several different blades costs me less the 1$ and does the job. Maybe not as flush as the files, but still....
Either his hands are all thumbs or he uses the wrong tools.... else I don´t know how he manages to have problems with the minis.
And what do you need aceton for?
Oh, and looking at the KS-website it still says Boardgame there....
A Deep Space Horror board game with 50 amazing miniatures from Mike McVey!
If you do expect highest quality resin miniatures that normally cost 15-40 $ per miniature to get for 1-5$ from this KS, than it´s fully your fault. And still, the quality is quite excellent for a board game and even when it comes to TT-miniatures they are quite good and above standard. I have gotten worse from GW in Finecast for a much higher price.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and in case some of you have problems, that happens with every product and 3% failure rate is quite normal (Finecast had 50+% when it started), but:
Howdy folks,
As we receive our shipments, unpack the boxes, and ooh and aah over the wonderful models, some of us may unfortunately find a piece or two missing, or other quality/packing issue.
Note that some of the models may have pieces in different bags, so double check that and whatnot. It's best practice to lay everything out, matching different parts of the same model together (e.g. male body, male arms, female body, female arms, etc) and then counting everything.
If you're still missing things, please email: support@coolminiornot.com Include a clear description of the problem and any other information they might need to resolve the issue.
Please keep in mind that there are a lot of us getting these all at once, so some patience is warranted if they don't get back to you right away.
If we receive any additional information in how to resolve these issues, it will posted here.
This topic will be locked as it is purely informative in nature.
Duncan_Idaho wrote: Oh, and looking at the KS-website it still says Boardgame there....
Because it's a game played on a board. You're the only one who doesn't seem to comprehend that that covers everything from chits to standees to miniatures.
If you do expect highest quality resin miniatures...
They explicitly used the phrase "the contents and play materials of the game are of the highest quality." And you're pretending it's our fault if they didn't live up to their own sales pitch?
I have gotten worse from GW in Finecast for a much higher price.
That's because Finecast is gak. But like I've been quoted as saying before, a product merely being less gak than gak isn't anything you should be shouting from the rooftops.
Yeah... I'm still waiting for my box to come, but if SW is subpar, given their BG and CMoN's, that's false advertising and "it's a board game" isn't an excuse or even a reason.
To give an analogy, If the game manual was advertised to be "in color" and it arrived B+W with one color, arguing that it's technically in color, or that it being a board game somehow excuses it not being in full color would be a weak argument at best.
This is essentially the same argument, except that color more obviously means full color than highest quality might... actually, on second thought, highest quality is pretty absolute.
Oh, and looking at the KS-website it still says Boardgame there....
A Deep Space Horror board game with 50 amazing miniatures from Mike McVey!
If you do expect highest quality resin miniatures that normally cost 15-40 $ per miniature to get for 1-5$ from this KS, than it´s fully your fault. And still, the quality is quite excellent for a board game and even when it comes to TT-miniatures they are quite good and above standard. I have gotten worse from GW in Finecast for a much higher price.
You seemed to have missed these quotes from the KS sight as well:
amazing miniatures from Mike McVey!
The contents and play materials of the game are of the highest quality
Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster represents the best that miniatures gaming has to offer!
Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster is a fast paced tactical miniatures game for two player
The board tiles aren't nearly as good as Zombicides. But honestly that's just being nit picky. They're sturdy enough and other then my tokens being off center I find no fault in the board. I had no intentions of ever using the board anyhow.
And if we're going to keep pointing out the fact that this is a "board game"...fine. Space Hulk is a board game. With high quality components. That's what I was expecting. That is not what I got.
The tiles and tokens are good quality. As stated above they aren't as detailed as Zombicide but are good enough. I also really like the idea of putting the infection tokens under the bases. That was a genius idea. I also understand that for a 100.00 investment I can't expect the same quality as say Scribor, Maxmini, GW etc. I understand that. But I expected better than what I received. It's obvious though that the material used for these figures is cheap. Warped parts from a brand new line. Really? That surprises me that a new line of figures would have this issue. Or is this not really a surprise at all?
The last thing I'll say on this whole "board game" issue is simply this, why would there be so much emphasis placed on the sculpts if this were simply to be "board game" quality figures? Why all the WIP shots, the video, line after line advertising the top quality of the miniatures, and the stretch goals being additional figures?
Yup, I'm still waiting, too, with nothing of the tracking info working for me.
I am not getting very exited about the things I am hearing of the minis. While I knew about the "restic" early on, I still expected quality minis like Space Hulk, or the 40K starter boxes. Otherwise known as, very high detail minis, who go together superbly easy.
Obviously I am not gonna call it until I have the minis in hand, but I am extremely wary after everything I've heard of things like warping and components not matching up on the female Vanguard.
I use a wood carving blade it is curved and has worked wonders on PP minis, and Mantics, I change it out every 12-15 minis and does a wonderful job. The old blades are kept to do rough work on terrain or other bits, so they do not go to waste. hmmmm $100 for a game with 50 minis, $40-$50 for 5 to 10 GW minis really you people are comparing these... shame on you
Ulsif wrote: $100 for a game with 50 minis, $40-$50 for 5 to 10 GW minis really you people are comparing these... shame on you
I'd actually say that Space Hulk is the obvious analogue. 38 single pose minis, a bunch of board tiles, counters, and doors, also for $100. I'll reserve judgement until I get the minis, but that's the comparison you should be making, and what at least some people were making.
Oh, and looking at the KS-website it still says Boardgame there....
A Deep Space Horror board game with 50 amazing miniatures from Mike McVey!
If you do expect highest quality resin miniatures that normally cost 15-40 $ per miniature to get for 1-5$ from this KS, than it´s fully your fault. And still, the quality is quite excellent for a board game and even when it comes to TT-miniatures they are quite good and above standard. I have gotten worse from GW in Finecast for a much higher price.
You seemed to have missed these quotes from the KS sight as well:
amazing miniatures from Mike McVey!
The contents and play materials of the game are of the highest quality
Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster represents the best that miniatures gaming has to offer!
Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster is a fast paced tactical miniatures game for two player
The above is why I sunk so much money into this Kickstarter. I expected the same quality as the metal sedition wars figures at least, this is nowhere close.
Personally, I was disappointed with the figures for the base game. I think they are a little bit too shoddy to be marketed as "miniatures", and too much work to be marketed as a "board game", not to mention my actual boards were pretty warped. It feels a lot like the Super Dungeon Explore minis to me.
I'll manage. I've assembled worse kits, and for 100 bucks, I'm sure I'll get my moneys worth out of em. TBH, I really just ordered it for the clear figures for Infinity camo markers. The board game is just a bonus!
Ruleswise, the game looks amusing. Look forward to a playthrough or two.
I looked at my Barker model next to the one I got in my box game today and I honestly cannot tell the difference. I think once you prime them you will not either. The darker grey tends to hide the detail from the eye, I have no idea what it is some of you expected to see.
Also, if you got a bad part, either fix it or just email CMON I am sure they will replace it.
I've finally assembled all my models, and the only problems I've encountered are on the Grendlr models with the "mouth" piece not fitting in snugly and the halves of the body requiring gap filling.
Still have not received mine yet, but looking around the net I don't see what all the crying is about, except the usual Dakka sky is falling. The pictures I've seen look good, both naked and painted versions. The big issue seams to be with the Grendler, which was probably just an over reach, that beast looks like well a beast to put together well. That and whatever the problem is with the female arms.
They may appear a little small to people if you put them next to guard, but really when you put them up next to a space marine they look correct. I think it's GWs guard that are actually way too tall for the scale.
Ok an Update CMON about the UK/EU deliveries, and it's bad news for the UK/EU people.
I just got off the phone with the UK guys, and apparently we don' t speak the same version of English.
With the confusion over Karas, plus the custom containers etc, all boxes did not go out on Monday as we were originally informed - the UPS orders were prioritized first, with the Parcel Force later, with about 150 packages going out per day.
With a total of 1000+ confirmed EU backers, that means it'll take into next week to clear out the shipping with approximately 500 out the door so far. In order to increase the pace of it, we've asked the warehouse to hire an additional worker to assist with packing, and he's reporting in today.
UK backers will begin shipping now, and we're making sure that anything that gets shipped on the same day gets updated into the system so you'll receive tracking info, and don't need to wait for the postman. This is going out 24 to 48 hour Parcelforce, so hopefully some of you in the UK will get items by Friday or Monday, with the whole of the EU being properly served by next week if all goes according to plan.
This is our fault, this is the first time we're handling logistics with a 3rd party but we'll make sure there are no miscommunications for the 2nd wave of shipments to you guys. And yes, I am as mystified as you why Parcelforce got bumped to the bottom.
Please accept my humblest apologies for this additional (dumb) delay, and thank you for being patient with us while we work out the teething problems with our EU shipping.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: Well I'm sure coolmini will do the right thing and refund the shipping for EU and Uk backers due to the delays and misinformation.
yup we were told they had been sent monday, they were not. I have been waiting in for two days because rearranging delivery with parcelfarce is a nightmare and i didnt want to miss it.
Sorry but they can only rely on what the warehouse tells them. And parcel services these day are sometimes a real mess (First in last out method anyone?)
Warped parts from a brand new line. Really?
This can happen on each line and has nothing to do with the age of the forms. Parts warp when they are taken to early out of the form and are still hot. Normally hot/cold water or carefull treatment with a quality hair-dryer will do the job.
@duncanidaho cool mini should have gotten the shipping numbers from the shipping agent, checked with the tracking number to make sure they where with the courier then sent the update. Cool minis validation process was non existent, this makes the misinformation their fault. The shipping agent didn't send the update. Those checks are the work if minutes so there is no reason not to do them especially when using a company for the first time.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Misinformation implies a level of underhandedness - that X was said when it was well known that Y was the truth.
This does not appear to be the case.
Not at all, what you are referring to is lying, if i told somebody something that i thought was right but isnt i've still misinformed them.
Its unfortunate what has happened but at least with tracking numbers ill know what day it is arriving. Anyone know if the LTD Kara is going in with it now as its been delayed?
Folks, tracking numbers really is a sad story. The last time when I sent out some stuff I had some of the parcels already at their destination before I as the sender got the tracking number.
@duncan Idaho having worked in shipping I know that when you have an account with a courier you have the shipping numbers before the courier even picks them up. So there is no reason for them not to have the shipping numbers and to not have checked.
Duncan_Idaho wrote: Folks, tracking numbers really is a sad story. The last time when I sent out some stuff I had some of the parcels already at their destination before I as the sender got the tracking number.
Duncan, may I ask why since the very beginning of this project you have taken it upon yourself to belittle and berate the other backers about their feelings and beliefs regarding the project?
Even when proven wrong about a particular issue, you just begin slamming another issue down someones throat and calling us whiners or telling us to deal with it or we should be fine with getting lied to and mislead by a company.
Claiming items have shipped and then saying they did not ship 4 days later is very underhanded and a sign of poor reliability. Given the fiasco with Zombiecide shipping, I hope nobody expected any different here.
As for you Duncan, my friend. Please, lighten up and stop trying to attack us for our criticisms. I can guarantee you, most of us probably pledged just as much if not more than you to this project then you and have every right to complain and be unhappy. If that makes you unhappy?
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: @duncan Idaho having worked in shipping I know that when you have an account with a courier you have the shipping numbers before the courier even picks them up. So there is no reason for them not to have the shipping numbers and to not have checked.
Because tracking numbers often don't update from "We have no information about this shipment" for days? Up to and including when the shipment has been delivered.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: @duncan Idaho having worked in shipping I know that when you have an account with a courier you have the shipping numbers before the courier even picks them up. So there is no reason for them not to have the shipping numbers and to not have checked.
Because tracking numbers often don't update from "We have no information about this shipment" for days? Up to and including when the shipment has been delivered.
That has nothing to do with sending out tracking numbers, whether or not they will take days to update.
The EU/UK backers were blatantly lied to, which raises concerns about the North America shipments. For example, if it was sent out last week, I really should have mine today.
Duncan, may I ask why since the very beginning of this project you have taken it upon yourself to belittle and berate the other backers about their feelings and beliefs regarding the project?
If Duncan's sig is accurate, then my assumption is that he gets some work from companies to translate rules into German from English. This, almost by necessity places him in a position where he can almost only be far from impartial, and is not likely to criticise producers that will cost him future work. He's much more likely to defend them. Duncan, would you be willing to share some of who you've worked for and on what projects? I've wondered for quite awhile now, actually.
Automatically Appended Next Post: As for CMON's UK shipping shenanigans, I'd be much more inclined to see the update as true - simple crossed wires, or if you're less kind, incompetence. There's no benefit to lying to their backers over a three-or-five day delay in shipping, especially after the extended wait we've already had, so I can't believe that there's any malicious intent.
At least you guys get acknowledged. Australia/NZ/RoW didn't even get a mention! I assume ours would have gone out from the US, but we don't appear to be getting tracking numbers or any of that fancy stuff.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: @duncan Idaho having worked in shipping I know that when you have an account with a courier you have the shipping numbers before the courier even picks them up. So there is no reason for them not to have the shipping numbers and to not have checked.
Because tracking numbers often don't update from "We have no information about this shipment" for days? Up to and including when the shipment has been delivered.
That has nothing to do with sending out tracking numbers, whether or not they will take days to update.
The EU/UK backers were blatantly lied to, which raises concerns about the North America shipments. For example, if it was sent out last week, I really should have mine today.
It has everything to do with them confirming that everything had in fact been shipped out, which is what he was talking about. As you said, you can get a tracking number days before actually dropping off a package or getting it picked up, which makes it a bit difficult to get confirmation on everything like that.
Not only that, but based on the photos posted by Mike, that model is AMAZING.
I really don't understand what people are complaining about.
As to the UK shipping; it's their first time going through a EU distributor to get their shipping done. I'd hesitate to go into full blown accusatory mode. People have consistently complained about lack of communication on this project; well, they just gave us three updates within 8 hours. Two directly addressing concerns regarding the model fits and one directly addressing a newly found shipping problem. I think they should be commended, not condemned, for addressing them so quickly.
scipio.au wrote: At least you guys get acknowledged. Australia/NZ/RoW didn't even get a mention! I assume ours would have gone out from the US, but we don't appear to be getting tracking numbers or any of that fancy stuff.
Speak'a the devil:
Project Update #84: Rest of world (not EU, not USA) - not forgotten!
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot
Super quick update here, but yes the rest of the world stuff shipped from the USA should be getting USPS Priority Mail tracking numbers soon. If you logged in to the CKPM, saved everything and confirmed your pledge, then your stuff is out the door. If not, as login and confirm everything and we'll ship you next week.
For the curious, we are still shipping Zombicide backers who have suddenly appeared after going incommunicado (that's 4 months after the fact), so please work with us if you can to get you your stuff.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: @duncan Idaho having worked in shipping I know that when you have an account with a courier you have the shipping numbers before the courier even picks them up. So there is no reason for them not to have the shipping numbers and to not have checked.
Because tracking numbers often don't update from "We have no information about this shipment" for days? Up to and including when the shipment has been delivered.
Wrong if its a prebooked number when it is at the courier hub it will be updated as received by the courier. I have experience with UPS, DHL, Parceline and TNT shipments and it worked this way for all of them. This way you have almost instant acknowledgement that something has shipped that can be checked.
I have experience with UPS, DHL, Parceline and TNT shipments and it worked this way for all of them.
So do I, but sometimes I didn´t get my tracking numbers in time, but this happens when you force your workers to work overtime for small payment. That´s the other side to parcel services. The guys getting the blame are most of the times victims of managment as well as the customers.
@being impartial
Oh as quite some of my clients could assure you I can get quite vocal regarding problems that could be avoided and stupid behaviour. And translation is only part of what I do. Normally we don´t hand out the names of our customers (actually no professional translator does that without the explicit agreement of the clients involved), but you can get a CV/portfolio if you book our services . Being quite honest may have cost me some clients, but it got me way more in the end. And as it turned out in most cases the ones I lost would have not being able to pay me anyway in the end. Since I do rely on paying clients it has become second nature to check the financial background of my clients and everything that goes with it. So extending this to projects I am not working on but have caught my attention is only a small step.
I hard nearly 0 extra resin/plastic to cut off any guys, and when I did, a simple box cutter from work did the job perfectly. Any complaints about it being to hard or needing some special super expensive knife si ridiculous. I have had tons more flash on GW figures then these guys. As for the freak-out of the quality, I think they are very well done. The marines are true scale, but I love that about them. It brings a sense of realism to it rather than GWs a space marine is as big as a guardsmen, vice versa. The detail is not GW standards, but it is up there. I knew this was a board game with minis before I pledged. So the quality of it is wonderful for what it is. Also, having many assembly side projects and painting projects going on right now, I am glad there is only a few different poses and not tons of body combinations. Id rather have this all in baggies where I just glue them to a base then customize them all.
Miniature wise 8/10 And I am very happy with this. The only two issues were my Grendlr bodies didn't 100% fit right and the special kara mini is too much like fine cast, and her back scabbard broke for being so frail.
I hope he sells baggies of the figures separate as some point as I would instantly buy more strain guys and some vanguard marines.
On a side note, has anyone hard or got an idea how this can be played in teams? 2v2 or something?
Sooo... Out of curiosity, does anyone know if the Battlefoam bags were included in this wave? They were listed as a November 2012 release, but I can't say I have seen any mention of anyone getting one with their game.
mattyrm wrote: Ironic that I'm the bloke who said an hour ago I didn't care when I got mine..
I recieved an email off UPS just now (1526hrs) saying its getting delivered tomorrow.
I live in Yorkshire, UK. So I would guess for limeys at least, almost all of them will be delivered by this time next week.
Yep that's same one that I got, we just got a weather warning of snow in the south west, so I'm betting it will snow and be delayed in delivering,
then it will turn up Monday when I'm at work , seems to par for the course so far.
Lied would be the wrong word and while I agree this is getting blown a wee bit out of proportion (however frustrating it might be and I know - I was really hoping to get that package today :( ) - they failed to check/communicate on/about such a vital issue that I think they bear a share of that responsibility. A certain basic expectation of elementary competence in a vendor you spent several hundred bucks with goes without saying, IMO. I agree "lying" involves actual malice - which seems to not have been in play. They do deserve a craptonne of flak for this fethup, though. And some posts on the internet being hyperbolic well, last two times I cared to point that out and correct it it got me official warnings so meh, seems to be this should be expected "
Good to have the Grendlr assembly guide posted by Mike and I am happy to see that hot water works so well to make the body halves and mouth fit. I think I will assemble one later today.
yep just got my tracking number says that it due to be deliverd friday ,,great the only day this week im away from the house at a meeting and dont get back till after the sorting office is closed , so it will have to sit there untill monday evening .tbh i will proberly pass the van delivering it on my way to the meeting ,,,super,
CURNOW wrote: yep just got my tracking number says that it due to be deliverd friday ,,great the only day this week im away from the house at a meeting and dont get back till after the sorting office is closed , so it will have to sit there untill monday evening .tbh i will proberly pass the van delivering it on my way to the meeting ,,,super,
If it's parcelfarce then they should drop into the your local post office, that's whats happened in the past to me if I'm out and parcelfarce deliver something when I'm not in.
CURNOW wrote: yep just got my tracking number says that it due to be deliverd friday ,,great the only day this week im away from the house at a meeting and dont get back till after the sorting office is closed , so it will have to sit there untill monday evening .tbh i will proberly pass the van delivering it on my way to the meeting ,,,super,
If it's parcelfarce then they should drop into the your local post office, that's whats happened in the past to me if I'm out and parcelfarce deliver something when I'm not in.
ah yep nevermind just me being dim ,the depot is at the end of my street in the town center and have just checked and they are open sat morning
I'm another who got a tracking number, but the number is invalid per Fedex and not recognized by USPS either.
I really hope the post office doesn't decide to mess with me on this one. They've gotten weird recently. Last couple deliveries they've left stuff on the porch unprotected, in the rain, but didn't bag anything (which UPS and Fedex do standard)... stuff got soaked through. Fortunately the items just happened to be water resistant, but a book or paper based item would have been destroyed.
A call to the post office said the SENDER is responsible to protect parcels from rain damage. Uh huh. Not their problem, they are not responsible.
So I'm home now, hoping it shows today so I can prevent any rain damage. I really really hope it shows today.
Looks like the reason UK handling may have been fethed is allegedly due to battlefoam handling the shipping from the UK. no surprise things go wrong when a company run by a snake oil merchant is involved.
For the US they sent out the USPS tracking number with the FedEx link. As soon as USPS receive your parcel for last mile delivery then the tracking number you have should work with USPS tracking service, apparently :-s
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: Looks like the reason UK handling may have been fethed is allegedly due to battlefoam handling the shipping from the UK. no surprise things go wrong when a company run by a snake oil merchant is involved.
Oh that *is* a critical mass of customer disservice right there, indeed :-(
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: For the US they sent out the USPS tracking number with the FedEx link. As soon as USPS receive your parcel for last mile delivery then the tracking number you have should work with USPS tracking service, apparently :-s
Uh, yeah, unless USPS has been holding my package since they got it and not registering the information, it's been off FedEx and USPS's records for two days now.
The tracking codes are the same lengths, so it's possible they're coordinated, but it isn't showing up, so a lot of good that does...
Does anyone know the rules for leaving close combat? Are you locked until enemy is prone or dead or can you move freely? Or does the leaver take a free attack on himself
str00dles1 wrote: Does anyone know the rules for leaving close combat? Are you locked until enemy is prone or dead or can you move freely? Or does the leaver take a free attack on himself
Since there are no rules against it, you are free to move out of close combat.
Lied would be the wrong word and while I agree this is getting blown a wee bit out of proportion (however frustrating it might be and I know - I was really hoping to get that package today :( ) - they failed to check/communicate on/about such a vital issue that I think they bear a share of that responsibility. A certain basic expectation of elementary competence in a vendor you spent several hundred bucks with goes without saying, IMO. I agree "lying" involves actual malice - which seems to not have been in play. They do deserve a craptonne of flak for this fethup, though. And some posts on the internet being hyperbolic well, last two times I cared to point that out and correct it it got me official warnings so meh, seems to be this should be expected
Folks that complain should work only one day in postal service and they would know what the real problem for such hickups is....
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: For the US they sent out the USPS tracking number with the FedEx link. As soon as USPS receive your parcel for last mile delivery then the tracking number you have should work with USPS tracking service, apparently :-s
Right, this is what USPS tells me on their tracking site:
Delivery status information is not available for your item via this web site. A return receipt after mailing may be available through your local Post Office.
So there really is no "tracking", as in there is no actual way to find out where it is currently, or know when it will be delivered. Oh, did I mention my local USPS is leaving things then not updating as delivered until well after the fact? Yeah found out about that yesterday when I was waiting for an item from amazon.com. It was sitting outside, in the rain, but tracking hadn't updated until several hours later to show delivered.
All I know is that my Sedition Wars package was apparently handed to FedEx and at some point will hot potato over to USPS, who may set it out in the rain unprotected to be ruined, but they will say it was delivered and what happens after that isn't their problem. Really sucks for a very expensive box of games and extras.
OK, so yeah, I'm more than a bit frustrated that evidently I need to revolve my life around my local USPS because they are being fething d-bags. Sigh. This isn't anything against CMoN, its just my USPS local branch are completely dysfunctional right now.
str00dles1 wrote: Does anyone know the rules for leaving close combat? Are you locked until enemy is prone or dead or can you move freely? Or does the leaver take a free attack on himself
Since there are no rules against it, you are free to move out of close combat.
Should be some clear ruling or how are others playing it
So any body with enough experience with this type of material to answer a few questions? How bendy does it get when heated? Would I be able to repose some of the minis? I hate to have to many that are exactly the same.
Never mind, just watched the video, it looks like they get pretty bendy so I may have a go at some reposing.
. Though Dreamforge should be in this month too!!!!! I can't wait!!!
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