If I have one real wish it wouldn't be a points drop on the scourges but instead change the type to jet pack. This way they will get relentless and it would be a real boost and make them a unit worth taking. Which would be great as they are really my favourite unit in the dark eldar codex. Any possible reason why this wasn't the case originally? They are the definition of a jump heavy weapon squad. At the moment they are the most useless unit in the codex, seen as everything they do can be done better and cheeper by tru-blasters.
That's the whole codex in a nutshell. If it fits on a raider or venom and can shoot, it's good. If it has any other function, it can be done better by stuff that sits on raiders and venoms and can shoot..
and this is why i miss the third edition update to the dark eldar codex, least then their dark lances made all armor above 11 count as 11 which made games interesting
Therion wrote: For me it's almost impossible to get interested in any 40K release these days, as there's really no concept of 'army' anymore. All we're talking about is "I wonder if there's a single good unit in the upcoming codex that I can ally with my Rainbow Warriors X-Men super-team monster mash".
See, for me, as a 2nd Ed Vet, this is actually a positive. For all the stuff I'd love to see improvements on, the fact that I'm just the discovery of some decent Beastman models I like away from being able to recreate my old Chaos warband with a mash of CSM, CD and IG isn't one of them.
But I guess it boils down to the same old issue, which is if you play 40K with like minded individuals, everything actually looks mostly awesome just now, but if you're stuck in a gaming group where there is a persistent ongoing search for the smelliest cheese possible, and that isn't your bag, then things are disintegrating rapidly.
First of all, whether you're a 2nd Ed Vet or not has no relevance in this matter. I'm a Rogue Trader Vet (tm) and I find the current situation laughably bad, like I already described.
Secondly, the fact one plays with like-minded individuals doesn't automatically mean everything is awesome. It can similarly mean that everyone in the group think the game hasn't been as bad nearly ever. Atleast decades ago when the game was equally bad it was new to us and we could ignore the faults. Lastly though I'm glad you like the game and I hope you have fun with it. I just remember the last time Dark Eldar were being updated I actually cared since the concept of a Dark Eldar army still existed and was played at tabletops worldwide. 40K today is an abomination.
I'm not trying to win a pissing contest here, I was just advancing an opinion.
Oh, and for the record, I liked 40K before it was cool.
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Additionally, having played 2nd Ed extensively is totally relevant to the point I was making, as, to my recollection, that was the last time in the game's history when army composition was this fluid, and consequently, now is the first time that the old Chaos warbands of the old Codex Chaos are even slightly replicable.
Orks - June/July
Blood Angels - August/September
Dark Eldar - October/November
Space Wolves - November/December
GK/Necrons - Whichever one is first, January.
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Now that we've seen it, it's Orks, then Space Wolves, then GK, then the rest.
Out of all the 40k armies, Necrons and Tyranids fit 'Alien invasion' the most. Necrons have a bit of a War of the Worlds theme going on.
Back in July this was posted which is quite interesting. The entire display case was missing for Necrons. Given the tie in for Nagash, and all these hints I would strongly consider Necrons as being next. The only thing that makes me think otherwise was that weird easter egg posted on GW's site the other day "The Reign of Millions of Years will end, the great exodus will begin." This fits Dark Elder / Eldar much more than it does Necrons. Although, it could also be a Necron thing. They aren't in an Exodus in the same way the Eldar are, however.
rollawaythestone wrote: Out of all the 40k armies, Necrons and Tyranids fit 'Alien invasion' the most. Necrons have a bit of a War of the Worlds theme going on.
Back in July this was posted which is quite interesting. The entire display case was missing for Necrons. Given the tie in for Nagash, and all these hints I would strongly consider Necrons as being next. The only thing that makes me think otherwise was that weird easter egg posted on GW's site the other day "The Reign of Millions of Years will end, the great exodus will begin." This fits Dark Elder / Eldar much more than it does Necrons. Although, it could also be a Necron thing. They aren't in an Exodus in the same way the Eldar are, however.
I believe the million years quote was about warhammer and Nagash. It has been going around other sites and that seems to be the consensus. As for which codex is next, I'm under the opinion that it's anyones guess. Could be any of the softcovers, seeing as everyone had GK pegged for next year and then it dropped unexpectedly.
rollawaythestone wrote: Out of all the 40k armies, Necrons and Tyranids fit 'Alien invasion' the most. Necrons have a bit of a War of the Worlds theme going on.
Back in July this was posted which is quite interesting. The entire display case was missing for Necrons. Given the tie in for Nagash, and all these hints I would strongly consider Necrons as being next. The only thing that makes me think otherwise was that weird easter egg posted on GW's site the other day "The Reign of Millions of Years will end, the great exodus will begin." This fits Dark Elder / Eldar much more than it does Necrons. Although, it could also be a Necron thing. They aren't in an Exodus in the same way the Eldar are, however.
I believe the million years quote was about warhammer and Nagash. It has been going around other sites and that seems to be the consensus. As for which codex is next, I'm under the opinion that it's anyones guess. Could be any of the softcovers, seeing as everyone had GK pegged for next year and then it dropped unexpectedly.
Really? there has been a million year reign in Fantasy? and now its over with Nagash? I really need to read the fluff on him some day.
I would have easily thought Eldar, and with the exodous thing, well exodites would actually fit that description by definition.
I would have been really exited about the prospect of supplement describing the Exodite eldars and their perspective of the cataclysmic turn of events that tore the eldar race and even reality apart.
Ah well.
rollawaythestone wrote: Out of all the 40k armies, Necrons and Tyranids fit 'Alien invasion' the most. Necrons have a bit of a War of the Worlds theme going on.
Back in July this was posted which is quite interesting. The entire display case was missing for Necrons. Given the tie in for Nagash, and all these hints I would strongly consider Necrons as being next. The only thing that makes me think otherwise was that weird easter egg posted on GW's site the other day "The Reign of Millions of Years will end, the great exodus will begin." This fits Dark Elder / Eldar much more than it does Necrons. Although, it could also be a Necron thing. They aren't in an Exodus in the same way the Eldar are, however.
the reign of a million years was 100% a WFB quote, has to do with Settras reign ending and the tomb kings leaving khemri. It was called the "Reign of a million years" but iirc it was much less, like 1000 years.
Back in July this was posted which is quite interesting. The entire display case was missing for Necrons. Given the tie in for Nagash, and all these hints I would strongly consider Necrons as being next. The only thing that makes me think otherwise was that weird easter egg posted on GW's site the other day "The Reign of Millions of Years will end, the great exodus will begin." This fits Dark Elder / Eldar much more than it does Necrons. Although, it could also be a Necron thing. They aren't in an Exodus in the same way the Eldar are, however.
the space wolves and dark eldar were missing as well
so the space wolves have come out, leaving DE and Necrons.
TBH I think an update to Dark Eldar would see many units improving/going down in cost, whereas currently an update in necrons will most likely see some points decreases but many points increases for things that are seen as competitve, ie flyer spam ann barges, tesla changes.
That and given the length of the dark eldar codex (2010) versus necron (2011) I think we will see dark eldar next.
as for the "alien invasion" it could be the next codex, it could be a sanctus reach style scenario, who knows at this point
Well, having not read the tie in book I may have missed something obvious, but, to my knowledge there's no reason for Grey Knights to have turned up in the campaign yet (them being exclusively Daemon Hunters in the fluff) so while "alien" doesn't fit with Daemons, there is an apparent gap in the narrative and a rumoured release wave for CDs about this time.
Azreal13 wrote: Well, having not read the tie in book I may have missed something obvious, but, to my knowledge there's no reason for Grey Knights to have turned up in the campaign yet (them being exclusively Daemon Hunters in the fluff) so while "alien" doesn't fit with Daemons, there is an apparent gap in the narrative and a rumoured release wave for CDs about this time.
The last few missions of Hour of the Wolf have alot of Daemons turning up.
Its just more of the obvious solutions mixed with recycled crap.
I assumed 6 months ago the V-bomber would be pulled from the book. Why even make a new flier kit for it at this point when it so similar to the razorwing already? Probably just add voidlance upgrade or tank hunter to the jetfighter and be done.
Everything else is just rehashed speculation. Drazar has on of the most outdated models, and is hideously out of the current aesthetic. Vect and him obviously need new models, along with the dais. I am actually going to be surprised if we get any plastic infantry, wracks included. This wreaks of the eldar plastic aspect rumors before their release.
Probable Vect + dais and maybe drazr and thats it will be my guess. At any rate I am sure we lose more then we get.
I agree, I think we'll be getting the Grey Knight treatment. One model being moved to plastic IF we're lucky but a quick, slap-dash codex to update to 7th and GW'll call it good.
If they make vect and his dais, hopefully it will be available for use without taking him as the super heavy unit.
A plastic archon would also be nice, I just hope it isn't forced female. Hopefully both sexes are available. Though dressed skimpy enough a female archon could easily be a female succubus too :/
Plastic incubi or 10x plastic drazhar would be fine with me. I just want plastic incubi!
Plastic incubi or 10x plastic drazhar would be fine with me. I just want plastic incubi!
Have you really looked at the incubi? They are like 95% kabalite warriors. They just have a trophy rack, alternate helm and a two handed PW. In fact most eldar aspects are 95% guardian as well.
What I hope/wishlist for most is another vehicle variant and some better weapon (gun) profiles. Drives me crazy that for all the variety of entries in our book, all it boils down to are is it a splinter round or a darklight round. Literally thats all we are right now.
Hellions-splinter pod
scourge-shard carbine
bikes-SR
warriors-SR
wyches-SP Venom-SC raider-DL trueborn-blasters
ravager-blasters
etc etc.
meanwhile eldar have aspect unique guns for the majority of their units.
wraithguard-unique weapon
Wspiders-unique weapon
firedragons-uniue weapon
reapers-unigue weapon
hawks-unique weapon
ranger-unique weapon
artilery-unique weapons
tanks- all unique main guns.
even dire avenger have a modified shuricat.
Red Corsair wrote: Its just more of the obvious solutions mixed with recycled crap.
I assumed 6 months ago the V-bomber would be pulled from the book. Why even make a new flier kit for it at this point when it so similar to the razorwing already? Probably just add voidlance upgrade or tank hunter to the jetfighter and be done.
Everything else is just rehashed speculation. Drazar has on of the most outdated models, and is hideously out of the current aesthetic. Vect and him obviously need new models, along with the dais. I am actually going to be surprised if we get any plastic infantry, wracks included. This wreaks of the eldar plastic aspect rumors before their release.
Probable Vect + dais and maybe drazr and thats it will be my guess. At any rate I am sure we lose more then we get.
Void Raven has a kit ready. It's not going to be cut from the book.
Vect is going to move to Lord of War, and making him and a Dais kit fills the DE Lord of War slot and gives him a model.
Drazhar would work best if he was made part of a kit of Incubi- replace an old character and a finecast kit with a 5 man plastic box.
Wracks are also highly likely- they are the Troops for a Coven force, and troop units need plastic. They also share a lot of wargear with Haemonculus, like how Wyches and Warriors parts can swap onto the Succubus and Archon respectively.
At least an archon clampack. Preferrably a Succubus as well. Right now, DE have NO plastic HQ models.
Duke, Baron, and Malys are likely to go away. And Harlequins seem a logical choice to pull out of the book and be made a supplement Dex later.
GK didn't get any new models because they can make every unit in their book already.
Orks and Eldar got a mix of old units updated to plastic and new units.
Dark Eldar still have a number of critical units in the book that need plastic, units that will sell kits without adding any new units yet. They have the highest proportion of their range in finecast vs plastic still.
Red Corsair wrote: Its just more of the obvious solutions mixed with recycled crap.
I assumed 6 months ago the V-bomber would be pulled from the book. Why even make a new flier kit for it at this point when it so similar to the razorwing already? Probably just add voidlance upgrade or tank hunter to the jetfighter and be done.
Everything else is just rehashed speculation. Drazar has on of the most outdated models, and is hideously out of the current aesthetic. Vect and him obviously need new models, along with the dais. I am actually going to be surprised if we get any plastic infantry, wracks included. This wreaks of the eldar plastic aspect rumors before their release.
Probable Vect + dais and maybe drazr and thats it will be my guess. At any rate I am sure we lose more then we get.
Void Raven has a kit ready. It's not going to be cut from the book.
Vect is going to move to Lord of War, and making him and a Dais kit fills the DE Lord of War slot and gives him a model.
Drazhar would work best if he was made part of a kit of Incubi- replace an old character and a finecast kit with a 5 man plastic box.
Wracks are also highly likely- they are the Troops for a Coven force, and troop units need plastic. They also share a lot of wargear with Haemonculus, like how Wyches and Warriors parts can swap onto the Succubus and Archon respectively.
At least an archon clampack. Preferrably a Succubus as well. Right now, DE have NO plastic HQ models.
Do you have a source or is this just your take on the situation?
I still think we get a very limited if anythign release. I also still bet the void-raven is dropped. It should have been a dual kit, it was not, and its design isn't like a valkyrie/vendetta ie. just weapon swaps.
I could see harlies being removed. If they are removed I would anticipate a dataslate e-codex being released more or less at the same time.
Given the dark eldar codex is closing in on 5 years old, many of the models were finecast which is pretty much gone so they will need to be re-done in plastic of phased out. I believe this release will be much more substantial than the GK release in terms of models, maybe not in terms of new rules.
Imo they need to do something about the Harlies. They cant keep the same stats as they have in the eldar codex since they were already outdated when that book came around. Moving them to a dataslate would be one solution...
I would love to see a Harly e-dex or data slate. Update their rules from the gak that they are now ala assassins and allow them to separate into different units ie. Death Jesters are their own unit and allow them to take Venoms as DT.
Red Corsair wrote: Its just more of the obvious solutions mixed with recycled crap.
I assumed 6 months ago the V-bomber would be pulled from the book. Why even make a new flier kit for it at this point when it so similar to the razorwing already? Probably just add voidlance upgrade or tank hunter to the jetfighter and be done.
Everything else is just rehashed speculation. Drazar has on of the most outdated models, and is hideously out of the current aesthetic. Vect and him obviously need new models, along with the dais. I am actually going to be surprised if we get any plastic infantry, wracks included. This wreaks of the eldar plastic aspect rumors before their release.
Probable Vect + dais and maybe drazr and thats it will be my guess. At any rate I am sure we lose more then we get.
Void Raven has a kit ready. It's not going to be cut from the book.
Vect is going to move to Lord of War, and making him and a Dais kit fills the DE Lord of War slot and gives him a model.
Drazhar would work best if he was made part of a kit of Incubi- replace an old character and a finecast kit with a 5 man plastic box.
Wracks are also highly likely- they are the Troops for a Coven force, and troop units need plastic. They also share a lot of wargear with Haemonculus, like how Wyches and Warriors parts can swap onto the Succubus and Archon respectively.
At least an archon clampack. Preferrably a Succubus as well. Right now, DE have NO plastic HQ models.
Duke, Baron, and Malys are likely to go away. And Harlequins seem a logical choice to pull out of the book and be made a supplement Dex later.
GK didn't get any new models because they can make every unit in their book already.
Orks and Eldar got a mix of old units updated to plastic and new units.
Dark Eldar still have a number of critical units in the book that need plastic, units that will sell kits without adding any new units yet. They have the highest proportion of their range in finecast vs plastic still.
blaktoof wrote: I could see harlies being removed. If they are removed I would anticipate a dataslate e-codex being released more or less at the same time.
Given the dark eldar codex is closing in on 5 years old, many of the models were finecast which is pretty much gone so they will need to be re-done in plastic of phased out. I believe this release will be much more substantial than the GK release in terms of models, maybe not in terms of new rules.
Except Eldar were released last year and literally all of their infantry besides wraithguard, guardians and dires are failcast. I will be shocked if wracks in fact get a plastic kit let alone anything else.
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MrFlutterPie wrote: I would love to see a Harly e-dex or data slate. Update their rules from the gak that they are now ala assassins and allow them to separate into different units ie. Death Jesters are their own unit and allow them to take Venoms as DT.
Because more money for less content was a great idea? I hate the data slate trend. I wouldn't mind if they were the $5 they were worth but $20 for 4 assassins for example should be criminal.
Jes G designed it about 5 years back, at the same time as the Lahamean poisoner and Sslyth models. It never made it to full production though. It made it at least as far as the sprue design phase, but wasn't released at the time. Some people talking to Jes last year asked him about it, and he said it is still around. Would link the quote if I could remember which thread it was in (I think over at Warseer)
I could see harlies being removed. If they are removed I would anticipate a dataslate e-codex being released more or less at the same time.
Given the dark eldar codex is closing in on 5 years old, many of the models were finecast which is pretty much gone so they will need to be re-done in plastic of phased out. I believe this release will be much more substantial than the GK release in terms of models, maybe not in terms of new rules.
Except Eldar were released last year and literally all of their infantry besides wraithguard, guardians and dires are failcast. I will be shocked if wracks in fact get a plastic kit let alone anything else.
This is true, for some reason I always think eldar were 2-3 years ago.
I think if the rumored "coven" book is true there is a strong chance we will see wracks and maybe grotesques in plastic, otherwise the only plastic coven model is the talos/chronos. Scourges if you count them.
Jes G designed it about 5 years back, at the same time as the Lahamean poisoner and Sslyth models. It never made it to full production though. It made it at least as far as the sprue design phase, but wasn't released at the time. Some people talking to Jes last year asked him about it, and he said it is still around. Would link the quote if I could remember which thread it was in (I think over at Warseer)
iirc, and my memory is often hazy, they never released it because there was issues with the cockpit sprue and serious warping.
I could see harlies being removed. If they are removed I would anticipate a dataslate e-codex being released more or less at the same time.
Given the dark eldar codex is closing in on 5 years old, many of the models were finecast which is pretty much gone so they will need to be re-done in plastic of phased out. I believe this release will be much more substantial than the GK release in terms of models, maybe not in terms of new rules.
Except Eldar were released last year and literally all of their infantry besides wraithguard, guardians and dires are failcast. I will be shocked if wracks in fact get a plastic kit let alone anything else.
This is true, for some reason I always think eldar were 2-3 years ago.
I think if the rumored "coven" book is true there is a strong chance we will see wracks and maybe grotesques in plastic, otherwise the only plastic coven model is the talos/chronos. Scourges if you count them.
Jes G designed it about 5 years back, at the same time as the Lahamean poisoner and Sslyth models. It never made it to full production though. It made it at least as far as the sprue design phase, but wasn't released at the time. Some people talking to Jes last year asked him about it, and he said it is still around. Would link the quote if I could remember which thread it was in (I think over at Warseer)
iirc, and my memory is often hazy, they never released it because there was issues with the cockpit sprue and serious warping.
Which would probably not be a problem if GW could ever leave a sprue in a mold to cool.
Faeit is reporting that 40k Radio (haven't listened to their newest podcast yet myself) said that Dark Eldar is going to be up for pre-orders September 20th.
rollawaythestone wrote: Faeit is reporting that 40k Radio (haven't listened to their newest podcast yet myself) said that Dark Eldar is going to be up for pre-orders September 20th.
Yeah, they said in the next two weeks something would be coming out. I listened to it today
Used my google-fu to find out, is it referring to the Void dragon Phoenix?-
The Void Dragon Phoenix is a variant of the Eldar Phoenix fighter-bomber, flown by an Eldar Corsair warband known as the Void Dragons. The only difference between this variant and the original is the replacement of the fuselage Pulse Laser with twin-linked Starcannons. As the Void Dragons have sold their services to both the Craftworld Eldar and Dark Eldar, so too has the Void Dragon Phoenix flown in support of both brethren.
Yeah Void Dragon will be the fighter bomber.
On a further note- feth Finecast Incubis. I'm going to try and get at least another box of metal Incubi from eBay lol
Throwing a super heavy flier (LoW) into the codex would likely have the heads of many dakka member explode. But, I'm betting it's the Void Raven and the LoW choice will be Vect and his custom Raider.
Sarigar wrote: Throwing a super heavy flier (LoW) into the codex would likely have the heads of many dakka member explode. But, I'm betting it's the Void Raven and the LoW choice will be Vect and his custom Raider.
I also bet on the Vect + Dais of Destruction as the mandatory Lord of War.
I agree and I hope they do vect by himself too. It would be nice to have a Vect model not on his Dias. I still have my original Dias with Vect so I am set if that become part of vect. Wonder if it would be a chariot
Uhm, any actual info to fuel the speculations? Are DE next in line? Not that there's much choice, anyways. If GW sticks to a "IOM - non-IOM" release schedule, there are only DE and Necs left to update, iirc.
I want a darn wraith unit! I don't care if Dark Eldar can't grow Wraithbone and have no infinity circuits! I demand an answer to my unreasonable demands!
Kosake wrote: Uhm, any actual info to fuel the speculations? Are DE next in line? Not that there's much choice, anyways. If GW sticks to a "IOM - non-IOM" release schedule, there are only DE and Necs left to update, iirc.
BA go inbetween
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angelofvengeance wrote: Yeah Void Dragon will be the fighter bomber.
On a further note- feth Finecast Incubis. I'm going to try and get at least another box of metal Incubi from eBay lol
got 20 of the metal ones, which I always liked more. 10 painted 10 in case I ever want to change my color scheme. Make sure you pick up some of them with Cloaks, as they are somewhere between super bad@$$ and super camp but it adds to the variety.
Kosake wrote: Uhm, any actual info to fuel the speculations? Are DE next in line? Not that there's much choice, anyways. If GW sticks to a "IOM - non-IOM" release schedule, there are only DE and Necs left to update, iirc.
BA go inbetween
Didn't we just get the Wolves? And the Grey Knights? Also, where's the "BA are next"-thread?
Kosake wrote: Uhm, any actual info to fuel the speculations? Are DE next in line? Not that there's much choice, anyways. If GW sticks to a "IOM - non-IOM" release schedule, there are only DE and Necs left to update, iirc.
BA go inbetween
Didn't we just get the Wolves? And the Grey Knights? Also, where's the "BA are next"-thread?
Don't worry, the BA will be here. In a shiny new Space Hulk box!
Kosake wrote: Uhm, any actual info to fuel the speculations? Are DE next in line? Not that there's much choice, anyways. If GW sticks to a "IOM - non-IOM" release schedule, there are only DE and Necs left to update, iirc.
BA go inbetween
Didn't we just get the Wolves? And the Grey Knights? Also, where's the "BA are next"-thread?
we just got wolves. GK got a new codex but no new models, not a full release.
If we are going SM then nonSM then we are right now up on a nonSM, then a SM, then a nonSM
DEBA Necrons
or
Necrons BADE
of course they could go outside the pattern. They could release DA followed by CSM followed by C:SM then Tyranids and Tau and IG. Who knows.
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212 *****
The cover of the next white dwarf reveals a new looking Haemonculi with long hair down one side, but may be a conversion. There are two wracks flanking him with more wracks in the background.
Also on the cover........
Symphony of Pain
A new Minigame Inside
New Dark Eldar!
Beware the Flesh-Shapers
Beneath the Dark City, the Haemonculi Perform their Dread Art
Even if the codex is bland, which seems to be the consensus with the latest releases, I think it will be better than what we have. Hopefully it makes a lot more of the units at least usable in a game.
Orock wrote: You guys are getting a new codex? From a tyranid and ork player, I would like to say, I'm sincerely sorry.
Automatically Appended Next Post: You guys are getting a new codex? From a tyranid and ork player, I would like to say, I'm sincerely sorry.
Having large Tyranid, Ork and Dark Eldar armies, I'm looking forward to a new codex. Can't say I've ever had any real problems using the former two Codex.
I'm looking forward to a new dex. I've only run Kabalites in raiders as wyches are useless outside combat, which itself is a dangerous prospect as we all know due to Overwatch etc, with wracks being much the same.
I'm crossing my fingers for wyches being able to use their dodge save outside of combat, and for wracks / grotesques getting access to numerically more special weapons to make them all more viable builds, as the current "best uses" for both wyches and coven units are cost prohibitive and ineffective compared to a Kabalite gun line (for want of a better phrase).
Honestly all our infantry is next to useless at the moment. No escape and st4 explosions has made arming my troops pointless. Just about every army can kill the majority of our troops without ever cracking our transports first, its stupid.
Tyranids now suck to face. E-shock grubs wounds the passengers on 2's with no save as well as score a s5 hit AND do an auto haywire hit. With no real sky fire a pair (usually 3) of flyrants alone has mauled me to dead by turn 2.
Every other codex either has drop podding/teleporting or torrent flamers galore. That rule is so fricking brutal its stupid.
I am hoping desperately that we get some new form of resiliency for our transports, as of now templates are too brutal, you can't even jink! The only armies without template/flamer type weapons in abundance are necrons and tau, and both those fights are insanely difficult matches.
Hopefully those Wracks are plastic. They are so similar to the current ones. The Acothyst is holding their gun in their other hand than the finecast version. Never built the current finecast wracks though, so I dunno how customizable the kit is.
Oh boy, so the plastic Wracks are true! As is a new Haemonculus miniature, it seems. As I'm more of a Kabal guy, though, I'm hoping for a sexy Vect + Dais kit.
"Each Wrack has access to (...) hooked blades and studded claws, (...) power mauls, (...), to (...)hex rifles, liquifiers and ossefactors". Power weapons for Wracks! Acothyst can take ECW, Scissorhand, Mindphase Gauntlet.
5 Wracks in a box, 29 eur. 11 different heads inside. Its not a dual kit.
This one is interesting. There are bits in the box that allow you to replace the crew of Raiders and Venoms for Wrack pilots and gunners!
Plastic Wracks look almost indentical to the Finecast ones.
New Haemy is 20 eur, looks like a cross between Urien (he has a syringe) and the old Haemy.
I like that those Wracks are almost identical to the Finecast ones. They'll mix well into existing units that players already have with no real issues--and leave it so that if people want to get the new ones just for splitting into units they already have, and have the new ones packed with special weapons.
Yup. Codex #2 that has been updated twice before BA. Im literally playing with a codex containing meaningless pages for another 2-6 months now. Everyone else who lost psy powers got updated immediately. Why does GW continue to blow off the legions of BA fans out there?
Im about to sell my 5k at this point. Dont think we'll ever get a new codex at this rate.
To be fair, they got their first codex in 12 years a few months after Blood Angels were most recently updated. This time, the reverse, minus 8-9 years, is highly likely.
It's hard to tell, but the new Haemy looks like Zoog from Angelspit. And I don't just mean the hair, but in the face as well.
th3maninblak wrote: Im about to sell my 5k at this point. Dont think we'll ever get a new codex at this rate.
The day after you sell your 5K army GW will announce the new BA codex and it will be awesome for GW is like Tzeentch fickle and cruel
Theyre already packed up in my closet at the moment. I want to buy new stuff for them but there is no point. Libby dreads? More sang guard? More death co? Another raven? Nope. Revenue lost by them, especially since im basically done with my crimson fists. I bet there are 10,000 other players with the same mindset.
th3maninblak wrote: Yup. Codex #2 that has been updated twice before BA. Im literally playing with a codex containing meaningless pages for another 2-6 months now. Everyone else who lost psy powers got updated immediately. Why does GW continue to blow off the legions of BA fans out there?
Im about to sell my 5k at this point. Dont think we'll ever get a new codex at this rate.
Ironic, considering not too long ago Dark Eldar players watched Space Marines get updated again and again, with DA, BT, SW and BA (both a White Dwarf 'dex and a "real" 'dex) all coming out in addition to that (also multiple times each), while they were stuck with their original gakky codex from 1998 that only had like 3 worthwhile units in the entire book to build an army with for well over a decade, and a model line that looked like crap even when it was brand new, and sure as hell didn't get any better with age. And Dark Eldar players got snapped at often, not surprisingly by a majority of Space Marine fanboys, who would endlessly make excuses as to why GW had abandoned them for so long and constantly try to shut up the "whiners" once and for all.
BA haven't had to wait even half as long as DE players did for their big update and you're taking it way harder than I ever saw any DE fan in their situation. And what's funnier is that MrFlutterPie could very well be right and BA could be the next codex up after DE, but because they dared to update someone who arguably needed it more (since DE can't just be fielded with one of more than half a dozen other codices with almost exactly the same models in the meantime), you're calling it quits right now and can't possibly wait another month or two.
I mean it's whatever you want to do really, but I can't help but feel like it's just a little bit of an overreaction. It tickles me though watching Marine players whine, because for so long I've had to endure their whole "Space Marines are popular, just deal with it!" bullgak spiel every time I watched another power armor codex and model release come out ahead of the many ailing xenos books, and now that things are working the other way around with xenos getting just as much love as they did for so long, the waiting is just unbearable for them. Karma's a bitch I guess.
And "love" is also highly debatable, at that. With things as they are now you're just as likely to get fethed over by a codex update as you are to benefit from it. So even if BAdid come out now there's a good chance you'd be selling that 5k of models anyway because you didn't get worthwhile changes or buffs to make the army perform to your liking.
th3maninblak wrote: Yup. Codex #2 that has been updated twice before BA. Im literally playing with a codex containing meaningless pages for another 2-6 months now. Everyone else who lost psy powers got updated immediately. Why does GW continue to blow off the legions of BA fans out there?
Im about to sell my 5k at this point. Dont think we'll ever get a new codex at this rate.
Ironic, considering not too long ago Dark Eldar players watched Space Marines get updated again and again, with DA, BT, SW and BA (both a White Dwarf 'dex and a "real" 'dex) all coming out in addition to that (also multiple times each), while they were stuck with their original gakky codex from 1998 that only had like 3 worthwhile units in the entire book to build an army with for well over a decade, and a model line that looked like crap even when it was brand new, and sure as hell didn't get any better with age. And Dark Eldar players got snapped at often, not surprisingly by a majority of Space Marine fanboys, who would endlessly make excuses as to why GW had abandoned them for so long and constantly try to shut up the "whiners" once and for all.
BA haven't had to wait even half as long as DE players did for their big update and you're taking it way harder than I ever saw any DE fan in their situation. And what's funnier is that MrFlutterPie could very well be right and BA could be the next codex up after DE, but because they dared to update someone who arguably needed it more (since DE can't just be fielded with one of more than half a dozen other codices with almost exactly the same models in the meantime), you're calling it quits right now and can't possibly wait another month or two.
I mean it's whatever you want to do really, but I can't help but feel like it's just a little bit of an overreaction. It tickles me though watching Marine players whine, because for so long I've had to endure their whole "Space Marines are popular, just deal with it!" bullgak spiel every time I watched another power armor codex and model release come out ahead of the many ailing xenos books, and now that things are working the other way around with xenos getting just as much love as they did for so long, the waiting is just unbearable for them. Karma's a bitch I guess.
And "love" is also highly debatable, at that. With things as they are now you're just as likely to get fethed over by a codex update as you are to benefit from it. So even if BAdid come out now there's a good chance you'd be selling that 5k of models anyway because you didn't get worthwhile changes or buffs to make the army perform to your liking.
+1 if for no other reason then the fact that he is complaining about BA in a DE thread
H.B.M.C. wrote: So, box of 10 Wracks, or box of 5 for the same cost as 10 DE Warriors/Wyches?
Rumors are saying 5, but aparently we get lots of bits! IDK, I'll probably continue with my conversions made from wych/scourge legs and vampire counts ghoul torsos and dark elf executioner heads. Never cared for the GW wrack look that much, isn't twisted enough and looks too much like dudes in gimp suits
Red Corsair wrote: +1 if for no other reason then the fact that he is complaining about BA in a DE thread
I mean to be fair xenos players did it quite often in Marine threads, but come on, it is so vastly different compared to what's happening to Marine players now that to try and complain about it is just kinda funny to me.
Oh, so your BA are like 5 years old or some gak and have useless stuff in their codex? Welcome to almost literally every xeno player before they got a 6th edition update...and in some cases even after. In this case it's especially irksome because we're talking about an army getting attention, that before 2010 had been ignored since fething 3rd edition, which has largely been ignored ever since that big release and has had plenty of issues trying to stay relevant itself ever since Grey Knights came out in 5th, just months after them...except for literally one popular tournament list that ran tons of beast units with allied Eldar in 6th, which was really only "competitive" because of the Eldar element to begin with.
Like I said though, I'm sure BA are coming out soon, there's been as much talk about them as DE so it can't be that far off. But there's really no guarantee anymore that a codex update is a good thing anyway, and that goes for the DE update that's coming, too. So if you're willing to sell your army because of bad rules then you might as well go ahead and do it now because they'll probably still be bad after the fact. Or you might get lucky and get an Eldar-tier codex, who knows.
As for the leaked DE models, I think they look alright but if a box of 5 plastic wracks is really $30 then that's still kind of steep for a troop unit. At least they're not Finecast garbage anymore, so they do have that going for them.
th3maninblak wrote: Yup. Codex #2 that has been updated twice before BA. Im literally playing with a codex containing meaningless pages for another 2-6 months now. Everyone else who lost psy powers got updated immediately. Why does GW continue to blow off the legions of BA fans out there?
Im about to sell my 5k at this point. Dont think we'll ever get a new codex at this rate.
Ironic, considering not too long ago Dark Eldar players watched Space Marines get updated again and again, with DA, BT, SW and BA (both a White Dwarf 'dex and a "real" 'dex) all coming out in addition to that (also multiple times each), while they were stuck with their original gakky codex from 1998 that only had like 3 worthwhile units in the entire book to build an army with for well over a decade, and a model line that looked like crap even when it was brand new, and sure as hell didn't get any better with age. And Dark Eldar players got snapped at often, not surprisingly by a majority of Space Marine fanboys, who would endlessly make excuses as to why GW had abandoned them for so long and constantly try to shut up the "whiners" once and for all.
BA haven't had to wait even half as long as DE players did for their big update and you're taking it way harder than I ever saw any DE fan in their situation. And what's funnier is that MrFlutterPie could very well be right and BA could be the next codex up after DE, but because they dared to update someone who arguably needed it more (since DE can't just be fielded with one of more than half a dozen other codices with almost exactly the same models in the meantime), you're calling it quits right now and can't possibly wait another month or two.
I mean it's whatever you want to do really, but I can't help but feel like it's just a little bit of an overreaction. It tickles me though watching Marine players whine, because for so long I've had to endure their whole "Space Marines are popular, just deal with it!" bullgak spiel every time I watched another power armor codex and model release come out ahead of the many ailing xenos books, and now that things are working the other way around with xenos getting just as much love as they did for so long, the waiting is just unbearable for them. Karma's a bitch I guess.
And "love" is also highly debatable, at that. With things as they are now you're just as likely to get fethed over by a codex update as you are to benefit from it. So even if BAdid come out now there's a good chance you'd be selling that 5k of models anyway because you didn't get worthwhile changes or buffs to make the army perform to your liking.
I highly doubt that. Any kind of new codex is better than what we have now. And im sorry, i didnt know that only xenos players were allowed to whine all the time.
th3maninblak wrote: Yup. Codex #2 that has been updated twice before BA. Im literally playing with a codex containing meaningless pages for another 2-6 months now. Everyone else who lost psy powers got updated immediately. Why does GW continue to blow off the legions of BA fans out there?
Im about to sell my 5k at this point. Dont think we'll ever get a new codex at this rate.
Ironic, considering not too long ago Dark Eldar players watched Space Marines get updated again and again, with DA, BT, SW and BA (both a White Dwarf 'dex and a "real" 'dex) all coming out in addition to that (also multiple times each), while they were stuck with their original gakky codex from 1998 that only had like 3 worthwhile units in the entire book to build an army with for well over a decade, and a model line that looked like crap even when it was brand new, and sure as hell didn't get any better with age. And Dark Eldar players got snapped at often, not surprisingly by a majority of Space Marine fanboys, who would endlessly make excuses as to why GW had abandoned them for so long and constantly try to shut up the "whiners" once and for all.
BA haven't had to wait even half as long as DE players did for their big update and you're taking it way harder than I ever saw any DE fan in their situation. And what's funnier is that MrFlutterPie could very well be right and BA could be the next codex up after DE, but because they dared to update someone who arguably needed it more (since DE can't just be fielded with one of more than half a dozen other codices with almost exactly the same models in the meantime), you're calling it quits right now and can't possibly wait another month or two.
I mean it's whatever you want to do really, but I can't help but feel like it's just a little bit of an overreaction. It tickles me though watching Marine players whine, because for so long I've had to endure their whole "Space Marines are popular, just deal with it!" bullgak spiel every time I watched another power armor codex and model release come out ahead of the many ailing xenos books, and now that things are working the other way around with xenos getting just as much love as they did for so long, the waiting is just unbearable for them. Karma's a bitch I guess.
And "love" is also highly debatable, at that. With things as they are now you're just as likely to get fethed over by a codex update as you are to benefit from it. So even if BAdid come out now there's a good chance you'd be selling that 5k of models anyway because you didn't get worthwhile changes or buffs to make the army perform to your liking.
I highly doubt that. Any kind of new codex is better than what we have now. And im sorry, i didnt know that only xenos players were allowed to whine all the time.
It's not the whining, but the fact your doing it in a DE rumor thread. Literally one of the most neglected armies in 40k, arguably ranked only just behind sisters.
If you aren't going to even discuss anything DE related then kindly move along. I mean that sincerely and hope BA get a release soon as well.
th3maninblak wrote: Yup. Codex #2 that has been updated twice before BA. Im literally playing with a codex containing meaningless pages for another 2-6 months now. Everyone else who lost psy powers got updated immediately. Why does GW continue to blow off the legions of BA fans out there?
Im about to sell my 5k at this point. Dont think we'll ever get a new codex at this rate.
Your tears are delicious. And like others have pointed out, it's not like you'll have to wait long. BA should be out in January by the latest. But if you want to completely overreact and sell your toys, more power to you.
Yeah, watching Marine players complain about not getting an update is pretty silly. Besides, y'all should be careful what you wish for. Just ask any GK player how much they like their leaner and "new" Diet Codex.
th3maninblak wrote: Yup. Codex #2 that has been updated twice before BA. Im literally playing with a codex containing meaningless pages for another 2-6 months now. Everyone else who lost psy powers got updated immediately. Why does GW continue to blow off the legions of BA fans out there?
Im about to sell my 5k at this point. Dont think we'll ever get a new codex at this rate.
Ironic, considering not too long ago Dark Eldar players watched Space Marines get updated again and again, with DA, BT, SW and BA (both a White Dwarf 'dex and a "real" 'dex) all coming out in addition to that (also multiple times each), while they were stuck with their original gakky codex from 1998 that only had like 3 worthwhile units in the entire book to build an army with for well over a decade, and a model line that looked like crap even when it was brand new, and sure as hell didn't get any better with age. And Dark Eldar players got snapped at often, not surprisingly by a majority of Space Marine fanboys, who would endlessly make excuses as to why GW had abandoned them for so long and constantly try to shut up the "whiners" once and for all.
BA haven't had to wait even half as long as DE players did for their big update and you're taking it way harder than I ever saw any DE fan in their situation. And what's funnier is that MrFlutterPie could very well be right and BA could be the next codex up after DE, but because they dared to update someone who arguably needed it more (since DE can't just be fielded with one of more than half a dozen other codices with almost exactly the same models in the meantime), you're calling it quits right now and can't possibly wait another month or two.
I mean it's whatever you want to do really, but I can't help but feel like it's just a little bit of an overreaction. It tickles me though watching Marine players whine, because for so long I've had to endure their whole "Space Marines are popular, just deal with it!" bullgak spiel every time I watched another power armor codex and model release come out ahead of the many ailing xenos books, and now that things are working the other way around with xenos getting just as much love as they did for so long, the waiting is just unbearable for them. Karma's a bitch I guess.
And "love" is also highly debatable, at that. With things as they are now you're just as likely to get fethed over by a codex update as you are to benefit from it. So even if BAdid come out now there's a good chance you'd be selling that 5k of models anyway because you didn't get worthwhile changes or buffs to make the army perform to your liking.
Red Corsair wrote: +1 if for no other reason then the fact that he is complaining about BA in a DE thread
I mean to be fair xenos players did it quite often in Marine threads, but come on, it is so vastly different compared to what's happening to Marine players now that to try and complain about it is just kinda funny to me.
Oh, so your BA are like 5 years old or some gak and have useless stuff in their codex? Welcome to almost literally every xeno player before they got a 6th edition update...and in some cases even after. In this case it's especially irksome because we're talking about an army getting attention, that before 2010 had been ignored since fething 3rd edition, which has largely been ignored ever since that big release and has had plenty of issues trying to stay relevant itself ever since Grey Knights came out in 5th, just months after them...except for literally one popular tournament list that ran tons of beast units with allied Eldar in 6th, which was really only "competitive" because of the Eldar element to begin with.
Like I said though, I'm sure BA are coming out soon, there's been as much talk about them as DE so it can't be that far off. But there's really no guarantee anymore that a codex update is a good thing anyway, and that goes for the DE update that's coming, too. So if you're willing to sell your army because of bad rules then you might as well go ahead and do it now because they'll probably still be bad after the fact. Or you might get lucky and get an Eldar-tier codex, who knows.
As for the leaked DE models, I think they look alright but if a box of 5 plastic wracks is really $30 then that's still kind of steep for a troop unit. At least they're not Finecast garbage anymore, so they do have that going for them.
qft sisters players have it WORSE the BA or DE. granted i enjoyed the older models 1000% better then the new ones, but please for the love of The Emperor stay on topic so this thread does not get locked
Gw have given them the Sternguard treatment is all, wracks aren't troops unless you take a haemy, so one of the big wigs will have decided "nah, small box unit, extra bits, high price".
It's kind of crazy how their release schedule has killed these rumour threads. Back when the Tyranid book dropped there was almost a hundred posts before the pics of the models hit the web and several large rumour posts floating around before that. This release (and the last two, SW and GK) is so lukewarm it is striking.
It's intellectually dishonest to go on a multi-paragraph rant about Space Marines and then end your post with a condemnation for not being on-topic, and it's equally dishonest to condone such a post.
way looking forward to the new dex. Gonna miss the Baron, but if Archons get jetbikes I will be happy enough. I bet Scourges and Reavers go down in points.
For once, I actually quite liked the teaser. That might be because I'm a filthy xenos player though... Very much looking forward to this. Quite liking the Haemonculus. Sort of like Urien Rakarth's model but with less freaky spinal bits.
As a space marine player, all I want is a Raven Guard supplement.
As for Dark Eldar (which I don't play), some new alternative Archon models would be great, especially female (Lady Malys?). I never particularly liked the current Archon.
As for Dark Eldar (which I don't play), some new alternative Archon models would be great, especially female (Lady Malys?). I never particularly liked the current Archon.
Really? What's not to like? (beside a lack of weapons options obviously-though to be fair you can fix that with spare bitz)
Shingen wrote: Again skyboards are for wych units, would seem very weird.
Tell that to Baron... oh wait... I'm actually worried about the New Dark Eldar Cull... I mean codex. I use the Baron in every game to make hellions troops.
Anyways I thought hellions were more like outcasts... little dark eldar punks??
What is needed is for Venoms to get 3 HP or AV11 or some rule that enables them to survive. AV10/10/10 HP2 Fast Slick*
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah, watching Marine players complain about not getting an update is pretty silly. Besides, y'all should be careful what you wish for. Just ask any GK player how much they like their leaner and "new" Diet Codex.
Well I like the new Codex fine.
So it got leaner, it is now much more focused, something the Daemon Hunters was not.
Now I hope that this does not happen to Dark Eldar. I hope is gets a lot of balance worth using units. I also hope that they continue with the Detected Transports = Fast Attack treatment, I will have to pick a Raider from my Banshees.
Shingen wrote: Again skyboards are for wych units, would seem very weird.
Not really exclusive to Wych units- an Archon is usually quite well off so if he/she wants a skyboard he'll get one. Plus Baron Sathonyx was an Archon in the beginning, but his Kabal got destroyed so he joined up with some Hellions. He's now like some sort of underground gang leader, and no Hellions go on raids without his blessing.
Shingen wrote: Again skyboards are for wych units, would seem very weird.
Not really exclusive to Wych units- an Archon is usually quite well off so if he/she wants a skyboard he'll get one. Plus Baron Sathonyx was an Archon in the beginning, but his Kabal got destroyed so he joined up with some Hellions. He's now like some sort of underground gang leader, and no Hellions go on raids without his blessing.
in 3rd they could take bikes...they are the richest DE who do as they like. There is no standard codex out there that defines what an archon can ride.
also there is the succubus. Why cant they take boards or bikes?
Don't know if this has been said, but I wouldn't be surprised if no new units were added and instead we got plastic Wracks, maybe plastic Grotesques, and some new HQ models.
-Plastic Wracks
-Plastic Grots
-Plastic Haemonculus
-Plastic Archon
-Plastic Archon on Bike
although it has been said we will get no new characters or units, it has not been said we will not get new models.
There could be new models for characters, and new models with new options for units
I like the new wracks, but they are mostly recasts of the old wracks with some new weapon options, like the claw thing in the wracks left hand who has a hexrifle in the right hand.
Haem looks like he has a stinger pistol. Hope he comes with weapon options other than that, but given the wrack kit will probably contain a lot of special weapons wont be hard to kit bash.
blaktoof wrote: although it has been said we will get no new characters or units, it has not been said we will not get new models.
There could be new models for characters, and new models with new options for units
I like the new wracks, but they are mostly recasts of the old wracks with some new weapon options, like the claw thing in the wracks left hand who has a hexrifle in the right hand.
Haem looks like he has a stinger pistol. Hope he comes with weapon options other than that, but given the wrack kit will probably contain a lot of special weapons wont be hard to kit bash.
Lets at least hope they return the stinger pistol to its 3rd ed glory, remember when it was 12" range pistol, poison 2+ and if it wounded the victim exploded with strength equaling said victims toughness and AP equaling its save? Yea then Kelly decided a poison 2+ pistol with no abilities was better
Zakriv wrote: Don't know if this has been said, but I wouldn't be surprised if no new units were added and instead we got plastic Wracks, maybe plastic Grotesques, and some new HQ models.
-Plastic Wracks
-Plastic Grots
-Plastic Haemonculus
-Plastic Archon
-Plastic Archon on Bike
Zakriv wrote: Don't know if this has been said, but I wouldn't be surprised if no new units were added and instead we got plastic Wracks, maybe plastic Grotesques, and some new HQ models.
-Plastic Wracks
-Plastic Grots
-Plastic Haemonculus
-Plastic Archon
-Plastic Archon on Bike
That's my guess anyway.
The Archon on bike is not going to happen.
Especially since you can just give a mook the archon helm and everything works out fine. If there's a plastic archon you might can be just use the torso from the kit.
Zakriv wrote: Don't know if this has been said, but I wouldn't be surprised if no new units were added and instead we got plastic Wracks, maybe plastic Grotesques, and some new HQ models.
-Plastic Wracks
-Plastic Grots
-Plastic Haemonculus
-Plastic Archon
-Plastic Archon on Bike
That's my guess anyway.
The Archon on bike is not going to happen.
Especially since you can just give a mook the archon helm and everything works out fine. If there's a plastic archon you might can be just use the torso from the kit.
I'm pretty sure it's more about whether the new Codex includes such a rules option rather than if we get a specific model for that.
blaktoof wrote: although it has been said we will get no new characters or units, it has not been said we will not get new models.
There could be new models for characters, and new models with new options for units
I like the new wracks, but they are mostly recasts of the old wracks with some new weapon options, like the claw thing in the wracks left hand who has a hexrifle in the right hand.
Haem looks like he has a stinger pistol. Hope he comes with weapon options other than that, but given the wrack kit will probably contain a lot of special weapons wont be hard to kit bash.
I assume the claw thingy is a scissorhand, but who knows it could be a mindphase guantlet, a flesh guantlet, an agonizer of old(when they were gloves) or something completely different.
It is possible the new wracks have more standard weapon options rather than just posion blades.
While getting plastic Wracks and Haemi is a good thing, I'm a little worried about that those are the only news we are getting leaks about. A codex is a logical option so I don't doubt there will be one (it wouldn't be the first time that I'm expecting a new DE codex and don't have it), but what about more minis?
Erasoketa wrote: While getting plastic Wracks and Haemi is a good thing, I'm a little worried about that those are the only news we are getting leaks about. A codex is a logical option so I don't doubt there will be one (it wouldn't be the first time that I'm expecting a new DE codex and don't have it), but what about more minis?
Multi-week releases with a new kit week one, codex week two, etc.
Have you been around for the last bunch of releases?
The coven list is cool but ineffective. CC sucks in this edition and with a low armor save and low armor vehicles it is impossible to get there. Add in low punch options, and average initiative and it is just a bad combination. Hex rifle is cool but only one per unit makes the unit conflict with itself. Liquifier guns can be awesome if you roll lucky but again there is a chance you will either wipe out your opponent and not get to charge or not do anything and charge a max unit. I have a full coven list and it was good for a very short time span but is still fun to play in one off games with fellow friendly people. My custom grotesque look great but again a huge point sink that is underwhelming (especially since they nerfed FNP) and one you have to attach your characters to (usually an archon to give them grenades and a Hamy to get them to furious charge. Points drops all around, let me take a unit of wracks with hex rifle, and let WWP work as a fortification that you set on the first turn and you can charge out of it.
Fishboy wrote: The coven list is cool but ineffective. CC sucks in this edition and with a low armor save and low armor vehicles it is impossible to get there. Add in low punch options, and average initiative and it is just a bad combination. Hex rifle is cool but only one per unit makes the unit conflict with itself. Liquifier guns can be awesome if you roll lucky but again there is a chance you will either wipe out your opponent and not get to charge or not do anything and charge a max unit. I have a full coven list and it was good for a very short time span but is still fun to play in one off games with fellow friendly people. My custom grotesque look great but again a huge point sink that is underwhelming (especially since they nerfed FNP) and one you have to attach your characters to (usually an archon to give them grenades and a Hamy to get them to furious charge. Points drops all around, let me take a unit of wracks with hex rifle, and let WWP work as a fortification that you set on the first turn and you can charge out of it.
Just found myself plotting how I should buy new Venoms and Raiders to make best use of the coven pilot parts. I already have 5 venoms and 2 raiders. Damnit GW, you tricksy.
Well I am excited. GW's pricing and other issues have been chaffing me lately, but I will say that these new wracks look good (even if they are very similar to the old ones- but then I really like them too). I especially like the idea of using wrack heads for pilots on venoms.
This is one the first time I've been mildly interested in picking up rules since 7th hit the scene! Well, we shall see what's to come.
Even if they don't talos parts look great on isle of blood rat ogres, ogryn, and the crypt horros/vargheists. I am sure theres some chaos fb and ogre models that would make ace grots with extra bits from talos/wrack kits.
blaktoof wrote: Even if they don't talos parts look great on isle of blood rat ogres, ogryn, and the crypt horros/vargheists. I am sure theres some chaos fb and ogre models that would make ace grots with extra bits from talos/wrack kits.
Or you can mis mash some warmachine Ogres with the talos bits.. Some of the best converting I ever did.
blaktoof wrote: Even if they don't talos parts look great on isle of blood rat ogres, ogryn, and the crypt horros/vargheists. I am sure theres some chaos fb and ogre models that would make ace grots with extra bits from talos/wrack kits.
yeah the Isle of blood rat ogre conversion was so easy I know have too many grotesques to possibly want to field
Well it appears we are getting a new special weapon on wracks at least. Can't tell if it is drum fed or another template weapon. Whatever it is I hope it's one of many new guns that help us combat our more recent shortcomings.
blaktoof wrote: Even if they don't talos parts look great on isle of blood rat ogres, ogryn, and the crypt horros/vargheists. I am sure theres some chaos fb and ogre models that would make ace grots with extra bits from talos/wrack kits.
Or you can mis mash some warmachine Ogres with the talos bits.. Some of the best converting I ever did.
edit: pics came out small moving them over, better pics and more in my gallery.
Looks great. I've got ten conversions that look almost identical. Hands down the best way to make grotesques. You can us leftover bits if you buy a talos kit or just buy a sprue off ebay for a few bucks.
I'm curious as to how people get hold of these White Dwarf copies waaaay in advance of everyone else. Do they just fall off the back of a truck or what?
angelofvengeance wrote: I'm curious as to how people get hold of these White Dwarf copies waaaay in advance of everyone else. Do they just fall off the back of a truck or what?
They've got lost in the Warp to resurface randomly in some lad's house ahead of time.
SarisKhan wrote: They've got lost in the Warp to resurface randomly in some lad's house ahead of time.
Sadly these people never seem to wait for the Warp storm to abate before actually taking the photo, hence the super-blurry I'm-in-an-earthquake-style shots.
SarisKhan wrote: They've got lost in the Warp to resurface randomly in some lad's house ahead of time.
Sadly these people never seem to wait for the Warp storm to abate before actually taking the photo, hence the super-blurry I'm-in-an-earthquake-style shots.
SarisKhan wrote: They've got lost in the Warp to resurface randomly in some lad's house ahead of time.
Sadly these people never seem to wait for the Warp storm to abate before actually taking the photo, hence the super-blurry I'm-in-an-earthquake-style shots.
But if they wait they won't be the first one to post the pics.
blaktoof wrote: Even if they don't talos parts look great on isle of blood rat ogres, ogryn, and the crypt horros/vargheists. I am sure theres some chaos fb and ogre models that would make ace grots with extra bits from talos/wrack kits.
Or you can mis mash some warmachine Ogres with the talos bits.. Some of the best converting I ever did.
adamsouza wrote: So I guess the rumors for Alien Invasion were true.
Lord Mephiston is not pleased.
Lord Mephiston just got an update! The Librarian is Space Hulk is brother Callistarius, the same guy who later becomes Mephiston! So in a way, he did just get a new model.
The rest of the codex, though, that's a different matter...
adamsouza wrote: So I guess the rumors for Alien Invasion were true.
Lord Mephiston is not pleased.
Lord Mephiston just got an update! The Librarian is Space Hulk is brother Callistarius, the same guy who later becomes Mephiston! So in a way, he did just get a new model.
The rest of the codex, though, that's a different matter...
adamsouza wrote: So I guess the rumors for Alien Invasion were true.
Lord Mephiston is not pleased.
Lord Mephiston just got an update! The Librarian is Space Hulk is brother Callistarius, the same guy who later becomes Mephiston! So in a way, he did just get a new model.
The rest of the codex, though, that's a different matter...
How do you figure a model from 2009 is new tho?
Jesus he was just jesting around.
Come on guys you should know better then to tease the BA players You'll lose a finger that way!
adamsouza wrote: So I guess the rumors for Alien Invasion were true.
Lord Mephiston is not pleased.
Lord Mephiston just got an update! The Librarian is Space Hulk is brother Callistarius, the same guy who later becomes Mephiston! So in a way, he did just get a new model.
The rest of the codex, though, that's a different matter...
How do you figure a model from 2009 is new tho?
Jesus he was just jesting around.
Come on guys you should know better then to tease the BA players You'll lose a finger that way!
Yeah, you wouldn't like us when we're angry! (We get Furious Charge ...)
adamsouza wrote: So I guess the rumors for Alien Invasion were true.
Lord Mephiston is not pleased.
Lord Mephiston just got an update! The Librarian is Space Hulk is brother Callistarius, the same guy who later becomes Mephiston! So in a way, he did just get a new model.
The rest of the codex, though, that's a different matter...
How do you figure a model from 2009 is new tho?
Jesus he was just jesting around.
Come on guys you should know better then to tease the BA players You'll lose a finger that way![/quote
Yeah, you wouldn't like us when we're angry! (We get Furious Charge ...)
LOL! So do Khorne Beserkers.....and Khorne is VERY unpleased by the Chaos Book
I really hope they fix things though. Currently we need flicker fields to also protect crew IMHO as no escape is simply too much. We also need better AT. I am hoping haywire is the answer.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On another note I was just reading the sidebar on the leaked images and I love how the WD team thinks an ichor injector is a liquifire gun from the talos kit.
Rx8Speed wrote: Since a new void raven bomber is going to be released does that mean the old razorwing will be taken off the shelves?/quote]Why? Razorwing is Razorwing, and now we're (probably) getting a specific Voidraven kit as well.
Yeah, the Razorwing is a single-seat fighter, while the Voidraven is a twin-seat bomber.
Ideally would be a seperate, larger (maybe even a dual kit).
Ovion wrote: Sooo, when do we think this will actually be up for pre-order?
I need to arrange my finances in preperation. xD
This weekend.
That's what I thought and hoped.
Any news on the Limited Edition book yet?
I'm tempted to get it if it's like the Ork and SW release, and I'm not as good at following rumours or as up on the whole grapevine as I used to be anymore.
Ovion wrote: Sooo, when do we think this will actually be up for pre-order?
I need to arrange my finances in preperation. xD
This weekend.
That's what I thought and hoped.
Any news on the Limited Edition book yet?
I'm tempted to get it if it's like the Ork and SW release, and I'm not as good at following rumours or as up on the whole grapevine as I used to be anymore.
Books haven't been leaked/announced yet. I'm guessing the week after (based on recent examples).
pretre wrote: Or they provided a free game for DE players to use their existing minis with. Geeze.
I get the feeling that certain people are pre-programmed to always see the worst, no matter how good anything is.
No, it's not the worst, it is simply the most simple explanation.
Everything. Every. Single. Thing.GW do is geared towards manipulating their customers into buying more of their gak. Which is fine, they're a commercial enterprise after all, except they're exceptionally clumsy about it. Which, when one considers some of the rumours that leak out from time to time, or even outright statements made under oath on public record, makes sense because several key members of senior management don't appear to hold the customer base in very high regard, so they probably think we're collectively dumb enough to fall for their bull gak.
The sad fact is, I think enough people may be feckless enough to fall for it to continue to support it for some time yet, but the GW that used to have at least a few people who were gamers first and money vampires at least second, would have made this as a game with punch out counters, and perhaps just a suggestion that you could use models instead.
pretre wrote: Or they provided a free game for DE players to use their existing minis with. Geeze.
I get the feeling that certain people are pre-programmed to always see the worst, no matter how good anything is.
No, it's not the worst, it is simply the most simple explanation.
Everything. Every. Single. Thing.GW do is geared towards manipulating their customers into buying more of their gak. Which is fine, they're a commercial enterprise after all, except they're exceptionally clumsy about it. Which, when one considers some of the rumours that leak out from time to time, or even outright statements made under oath on public record, makes sense because several key members of senior management don't appear to hold the customer base in very high regard, so they probably think we're collectively dumb enough to fall for their bull gak.
The sad fact is, I think enough people may be feckless enough to fall for it to continue to support it for some time yet, but the GW that used to have at least a few people who were gamers first and money vampires at least second, would have made this as a game with punch out counters, and perhaps just a suggestion that you could use models instead.
I agree with you. GW is not the company it once was.
It actually used to be a game company that made some models (many of their models were made by other companies) and then bought up those other companies and became a model company that has some games. As they are now a model company any rules they make have to sell models.
That said I wonder if we will see any different rules for wrack drivers for vehicles, or just flavor. TBH I do like flavor, even if there are no new rules.
Azreal13 wrote: LOL, Symphony of Pain, a free game that only requires the purchase of £37.00 of models to play!
(Yeah, I know, one could simply use paper counters if one wanted, but that clearly isn't the motivation for GW in printing it. )
I'm all for cynicism, it's one of my favourite past times, but isn't that a smidge much?
White Dwarf wrote:You will need; five Wracks and a Haemonculous per player
I'm all for balanced criticism, I think the frothing negative "Haters" do a lot of damage by drowning out valid criticism and providing apologists something to rail against without needing any real substance to their arguments, but in this case, they really are expecting you to have over £70 of models to have a game.
Now, there are ways of playing the game that wouldn't require this which are so fething obvious that I ask people not to spend pages pointing them all out, but the fact is that is what the magazine is encouraging people to do, and like I said, trying to encourage your customers to buy your stuff is fine, I'd rather they did it in a way that was a little more sophisticated.
pretre wrote: Or they provided a free game for DE players to use their existing minis with. Geeze.
I get the feeling that certain people are pre-programmed to always see the worst, no matter how good anything is.
No, it's not the worst, it is simply the most simple explanation.
Everything. Every. Single. Thing.GW do is geared towards manipulating their customers into buying more of their gak. Which is fine, they're a commercial enterprise after all, except they're exceptionally clumsy about it. Which, when one considers some of the rumours that leak out from time to time, or even outright statements made under oath on public record, makes sense because several key members of senior management don't appear to hold the customer base in very high regard, so they probably think we're collectively dumb enough to fall for their bull gak.
The sad fact is, I think enough people may be feckless enough to fall for it to continue to support it for some time yet, but the GW that used to have at least a few people who were gamers first and money vampires at least second, would have made this as a game with punch out counters, and perhaps just a suggestion that you could use models instead.
They could have provided free figures to play the game too...
All things considered, some extra content in the form of a "free" game is welcome. I certainly see your argument, and I think the root of your argument touches on the problematic way GW has treated its customers so that any move on their part can easily be attributed to greedy malice, but sometimes a free game is a free game, at least for me. In this Schrodinger's Cat experiment I am choosing to believe the game is free and not a sales gimmick.
Azreal13 wrote: LOL, Symphony of Pain, a free game that only requires the purchase of £37.00 of models to play!
(Yeah, I know, one could simply use paper counters if one wanted, but that clearly isn't the motivation for GW in printing it. )
I'm all for cynicism, it's one of my favourite past times, but isn't that a smidge much?
White Dwarf wrote:You will need; five Wracks and a Haemonculous per player
I'm all for balanced criticism, I think the frothing negative "Haters" do a lot of damage by drowning out valid criticism and providing apologists something to rail against without needing any real substance to their arguments, but in this case, they really are expecting you to have over £70 of models to have a game.
Now, there are ways of playing the game that wouldn't require this which are so fething obvious that I ask people not to spend pages pointing them all out, but the fact is that is what the magazine is encouraging people to do, and like I said, trying to encourage your customers to buy your stuff is fine, I'd rather they did it in a way that was a little more sophisticated.
with all due respect, your ranting about this mini-game is making my eyes roll harder than anything else on the internet this week.
what Dark Eldar player doesnt have 5 wracks and a haemy?
you dont have them? dont like the new models? dont want to buy them? dont then.
if you want to play Symphony of Pain SO BAD and you just cant handle buying the minis than use your space marines. or coins. or belly button lint. whatever floats your boat.
its a fun little novelty they made up for anyone who is bored and wants to roll some dice.
THOSE BASTARDS SHOULD BE GIVING YOU THE FREE WRACKS AND HAEMY AS A THANK YOU!!!
what's your deal?
if you don't like it, then don't buy it. stop bringing down the excitement with your GW bitching.
I'm puzzled how you're getting "ranting" from what I've written?
Surely I've just made a fairy reasonable point based on a combination of the facts of commerce, personal experience and other evidence?
If this weren't my last topic on the subject to prevent the thread devolving massively off topic into another GW is a gak company thread, I'd be interested to see how you've manged to put so much emotion behind what I've written.
EDIT
For anyone playing Dakka bingo, you can check off the "well, if you don't like it, don't buy it, but you're not allowed to criticise it" fallacy box.
pretre wrote: Or they provided a free game for DE players to use their existing minis with. Geeze.
I get the feeling that certain people are pre-programmed to always see the worst, no matter how good anything is.
No, it's not the worst, it is simply the most simple explanation.
Everything. Every. Single. Thing.GW do is geared towards manipulating their customers into buying more of their gak. Which is fine, they're a commercial enterprise after all, except they're exceptionally clumsy about it. Which, when one considers some of the rumours that leak out from time to time, or even outright statements made under oath on public record, makes sense because several key members of senior management don't appear to hold the customer base in very high regard, so they probably think we're collectively dumb enough to fall for their bull gak.
The sad fact is, I think enough people may be feckless enough to fall for it to continue to support it for some time yet, but the GW that used to have at least a few people who were gamers first and money vampires at least second, would have made this as a game with punch out counters, and perhaps just a suggestion that you could use models instead.
They could have provided free figures to play the game too...
All things considered, some extra content in the form of a "free" game is welcome. I certainly see your argument, and I think the root of your argument touches on the problematic way GW has treated its customers so that any move on their part can easily be attributed to greedy malice, but sometimes a free game is a free game, at least for me. In this Schrodinger's Cat experiment I am choosing to believe the game is free and not a sales gimmick.
Yeah I have to agree with DT there Az, I mean I love slagging GW off as much as the next man, but I do think your starting to kick the arse out of it a bit now.
I like more Dark Eldar flyers a sweet as the current one - a bomber would be great...........after the Space Wolf flyer which I also really liked I am a little hopeful
I would much rather have had a Lady Malys model than Wracks and Horms............ah well - I can use the Wrath of Kings models as her and her retinue when they finally arrive.
pretre wrote: Or they provided a free game for DE players to use their existing minis with. Geeze.
I get the feeling that certain people are pre-programmed to always see the worst, no matter how good anything is.
No, it's not the worst, it is simply the most simple explanation.
Everything. Every. Single. Thing.GW do is geared towards manipulating their customers into buying more of their gak. Which is fine, they're a commercial enterprise after all, except they're exceptionally clumsy about it. Which, when one considers some of the rumours that leak out from time to time, or even outright statements made under oath on public record, makes sense because several key members of senior management don't appear to hold the customer base in very high regard, so they probably think we're collectively dumb enough to fall for their bull gak.
The sad fact is, I think enough people may be feckless enough to fall for it to continue to support it for some time yet, but the GW that used to have at least a few people who were gamers first and money vampires at least second, would have made this as a game with punch out counters, and perhaps just a suggestion that you could use models instead.
They could have provided free figures to play the game too...
All things considered, some extra content in the form of a "free" game is welcome. I certainly see your argument, and I think the root of your argument touches on the problematic way GW has treated its customers so that any move on their part can easily be attributed to greedy malice, but sometimes a free game is a free game, at least for me. In this Schrodinger's Cat experiment I am choosing to believe the game is free and not a sales gimmick.
Yeah I have to agree with DT there Az, I mean I love slagging GW off as much as the next man, but I do think your starting to kick the arse out of it a bit now.
It's more I made a throw away comment, although one I stand by, and then several other people clutched their handbags to their chests and got a bit aerated.
Who was that guy that made the Dubstep Tau with actual speakers and stuff in his hammerhead/devilfish? Ally in a detachment of this Haemy and some wytch groupies!
pretre wrote: Or they provided a free game for DE players to use their existing minis with. Geeze.
I get the feeling that certain people are pre-programmed to always see the worst, no matter how good anything is.
No, it's not the worst, it is simply the most simple explanation.
Everything. Every. Single. Thing.GW do is geared towards manipulating their customers into buying more of their gak. Which is fine, they're a commercial enterprise after all, except they're exceptionally clumsy about it. Which, when one considers some of the rumours that leak out from time to time, or even outright statements made under oath on public record, makes sense because several key members of senior management don't appear to hold the customer base in very high regard, so they probably think we're collectively dumb enough to fall for their bull gak.
The sad fact is, I think enough people may be feckless enough to fall for it to continue to support it for some time yet, but the GW that used to have at least a few people who were gamers first and money vampires at least second, would have made this as a game with punch out counters, and perhaps just a suggestion that you could use models instead.
They could have provided free figures to play the game too...
All things considered, some extra content in the form of a "free" game is welcome. I certainly see your argument, and I think the root of your argument touches on the problematic way GW has treated its customers so that any move on their part can easily be attributed to greedy malice, but sometimes a free game is a free game, at least for me. In this Schrodinger's Cat experiment I am choosing to believe the game is free and not a sales gimmick.
Yeah I have to agree with DT there Az, I mean I love slagging GW off as much as the next man, but I do think your starting to kick the arse out of it a bit now.
It's more I made a throw away comment, although one I stand by, and then several other people clutched their handbags to their chests and got a bit aerated.
Well, as you know, it is that time of the month for hysterics. I'd offer you a tampon but I must have left it in my other handbag.
I was going to say I'm looking forward to seeing the new hardback codex and the new models...
That is UNTIL:
1. GW remove several of the units I've bought, built and painted totally from existence.
2. GW remove a unit I use and add it into a "dataslate" and charge me another 10 quid for.
3. GW do both of the above.
It happened with my Grey Knights and I've refused to buy that new Codex and the models are now packed away not to be played for another edition or 3. :-(
My wife was the one that played Dark Eldar, until the current Codex stole away her beloved "Kruellagh the Vile" rules, and had no options to even make a HQ unit her figure could represent. The change to the way the old Mandrakes moved around made that unit so boring as well - even though the new models were better.
Breotan wrote: Coming from the Void could easily refer to 'Nids as well.
Yes, but when else could GW's "alliteration" department get to be used? They already did such a good job with the Murderfang Murderclaw Murdersaurus from the Space Wolves.
What comes from the Void? Well...a Void Bomber! Dropping Void Bombs! Plus an Elvis--I mean, Eldaanesh word that translates exactly to "void". Pure. Genius.
Breotan wrote: Coming from the Void could easily refer to 'Nids as well.
Yes, but when else could GW's "alliteration" department get to be used? They already did such a good job with the Murderfang Murderclaw Murdersaurus from the Space Wolves.
What comes from the Void? Well...a Void Bomber! Dropping Void Bombs! Plus an Elvis--I mean, Eldaanesh word that translates exactly to "void". Pure. Genius.
"Only the best void pilots that navigate the void are capable of going in to battle in a void raven armed with deadly void lances. The void pilot will use his void lances to strike at targets in the void with deadly precision that only the most hardened void pilot could be cable of after flying the void for centuries in their void raven. Their void pilots become so familiar with their void lances on their void ravens that they become extensions of their own body striking at all that dare to cross their path in the void. "
MrFlutterPie wrote: "Only the best void pilots that navigate the void are capable of going in to battle in a void raven armed with deadly void lances. The void pilot will use his void lances to strike at targets in the void with deadly precision that only the most hardened void pilot could be cable of after flying the void for centuries in their void raven. Their void pilots become so familiar with their void lances on their void ravens that they become extensions of their own body striking at all that dare to cross their path in the void. "
Others in the Void try their best to aVoid the Voidravens but the Void pilots kill them with their Void lances to fill the void in their souls rendering Slaanesh's claim over them null and void.
MrFlutterPie wrote: "Only the best void pilots that navigate the void are capable of going in to battle in a void raven armed with deadly void lances. The void pilot will use his void lances to strike at targets in the void with deadly precision that only the most hardened void pilot could be cable of after flying the void for centuries in their void raven. Their void pilots become so familiar with their void lances on their void ravens that they become extensions of their own body striking at all that dare to cross their path in the void. "
with all due respect, your ranting about this mini-game is making my eyes roll harder than anything else on the internet this week.
what Dark Eldar player doesnt have 5 wracks and a haemy?
I don't own a single wrack. They're an utter crap unit.
Basic warriors and witches trump them in damage done all the time.
Wracks are fantastic.
Yes they're different to Warriors and Wyches, but that doesn't make them a crap troop.
Ran in squads of 10 with 2 Liquifier Guns (maybe an Acothyst for flavour with a Venom Blade) in a Raider
-or-
Ran in Squads of 3 with an Acothyst and a Hex Rifle in a Venom.
The Raider Wracks fly across the board, drop some APD6 melty goodness, then hit CC with 30+ Poisoned attacks.
In return, they're T4 with FnP, so can take a hit back if needed.
They'll happily kill or tarpit most things.
The Hex Rifle squads are small enough they can just plink at targets with their lone rending splinter rifle, hold an objective and be ignored till everything else is dead (an unlikely prospect).
Then, if there's an MC or big nasty, I can shoot it with the Hex Rifles first each round, hoping to pull off the RFG effect (which isn't impossible). Of course if they do one-shot a gribbly, then they get noticed and die - but who cares, they just one-shotted a gribbly!
The Venoms can fly off on their own being Venom-y.
My list of 2x Haemonculi, 2x Grotesques (Raiders), 2x 10 Wracks (Raiders), 3x 3 Wracks (Venoms), 2x Talos, 1x Razorwing has won me around 90% of the games I've played with it, across 5th/6th. (Haven't played 7th yet... will probably pick it up with the DE book).
Even in a tournament, I won using squads of wracks. (1k, 2 Ravagers, 2 Raiders, 2 Venoms, vehicles filled with Wrack squads of varying sizes)
I'm really looking forward to this plastic kit too, and the ability to easily convert vehicles over to Coven pilots.
The plastic haemonculus is pretty nice, but not worth 20 euros. I just bought 4 video games, 4 movies and 5 books for that amount of money :/ The wracks look pretty nice as well, and I like that they at least give you Raider crew models to go with them.
Agamemnon2 wrote: The plastic haemonculus is pretty nice, but not worth 20 euros. I just bought 4 video games, 4 movies and 5 books for that amount of money :/ The wracks look pretty nice as well, and I like that they at least give you Raider crew models to go with them.
Agamemnon2 wrote: The plastic haemonculus is pretty nice, but not worth 20 euros. I just bought 4 video games, 4 movies and 5 books for that amount of money :/ The wracks look pretty nice as well, and I like that they at least give you Raider crew models to go with them.
Bet they weren't new...
Nah, a thrift store find. That aside, I'm just not seeing the value for money there, especially for anyone who might have a previous haemonculus already, or access to one.
I'd buy the plastic Haemonculus- I think it's a more interesting pose to the Finecast models. I'm curious as to what equipment options he comes with, or whether you can use Wrack bits to fill the gaps in his wargear.
Yeah. I mean, if the clam-pack plastic wasn't monopose, and had all the options, I'd definately be buying 1+ of them, being my primary HQ choice and all. As is, it's just a case of it's a nice model, I like the aesthetic, and I may depending on the budget, and what it's like when I actually get to see one.
Will probably pick up the White Dwarf though, just for giggles.
There's a 2nd hand Haemonculus and Archon going for £5 each at my local FLGS, plus 3 squads of 10 warriors and 2 squads of 5 Incubi going for £9 each. They're painted, but the details still good and can be repainted easily. I swore to myself I'd never start a second 40k army but at this price I'm tempted...
Ovion wrote: I say go for it.
The new codex in spitting distance, and at relatively low prices, why not!?
Because then I'd want a fleet of raiders and ravagers, lelith hesperax and wyches, the fighter aircraft thingy, the void bomber, the jet bikers and air surfers And so on. Where would it end?!
I'm also saving up for a Bolt Action Fallschirmjager force atm. Got HE rulebook, just trying to restrain myself and clear some of my backlog before I start yet another army
Ovion wrote: I say go for it.
The new codex in spitting distance, and at relatively low prices, why not!?
Because then I'd want a fleet of raiders and ravagers, lelith hesperax and wyches, the fighter aircraft thingy, the void bomber, the jet bikers and air surfers And so on. Where would it end?!
I'm also saving up for a Bolt Action Fallschirmjager force atm. Got HE rulebook, just trying to restrain myself and clear some of my backlog before I start yet another army
Ovion wrote: I say go for it.
The new codex in spitting distance, and at relatively low prices, why not!?
Because then I'd want a fleet of raiders and ravagers, lelith hesperax and wyches, the fighter aircraft thingy, the void bomber, the jet bikers and air surfers And so on. Where would it end?!
I'm also saving up for a Bolt Action Fallschirmjager force atm. Got HE rulebook, just trying to restrain myself and clear some of my backlog before I start yet another army
Ovion wrote: I say go for it.
The new codex in spitting distance, and at relatively low prices, why not!?
Because then I'd want a fleet of raiders and ravagers, lelith hesperax and wyches, the fighter aircraft thingy, the void bomber, the jet bikers and air surfers And so on. Where would it end?!
I'm also saving up for a Bolt Action Fallschirmjager force atm. Got HE rulebook, just trying to restrain myself and clear some of my backlog before I start yet another army
I've already got ten of the "fine"cast Wracks that I use as proxies in Warmachine. Getting them in plastic kind of makes me tempted to get more of them since the unit I use them as recent went from a single merc unit to a whole mercenary contract/army. They just need a plastic Grotesque box.
Ovion wrote: I say go for it.
The new codex in spitting distance, and at relatively low prices, why not!?
Because then I'd want a fleet of raiders and ravagers, lelith hesperax and wyches, the fighter aircraft thingy, the void bomber, the jet bikers and air surfers And so on. Where would it end?!
I'm also saving up for a Bolt Action Fallschirmjager force atm. Got HE rulebook, just trying to restrain myself and clear some of my backlog before I start yet another army
With a Dark Eldar Army.
And an empty wallet
My wallets tear ducts dried and cracked long ago.
Its cries unheard, it died alone in the darkness.
Though I completely understand the whole 'not much money thing'. :(
