$5 discount bundles are surprising!

Well in the case DA are needed e-bay the ones you have and with the money you get buy some Mantic Asterians and you'll have enough money left for a trip to Yucatan too!

M.

That spirtseer is an old sculpt right?

my order is in......didn't go for the giant though. Pretty much everything else though lol

8 wounds? Good lord.

"Add more boxes to your cart to build up a bigger core of infantry for your collection." - New Avenger Description.

I bet this means guarduans will still be useless as they have stayed the same price, and avengers will remain the best troop choice. They could make Rangers elites, you know, or a laugh.

haroon wrote:
That spirtseer is an old sculpt right?

Old unit, but I've never seen that sculpt browsing the citadel minis wiki. But I could be wrong, but I hope not due to the $20 I just dropped on it.

 Ovion wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
Honestly I don't know why veteran Eldar players are complaining about the DA price increase.

At this point of time people should have enough DA already and because the meta of 6th Ed is moving to big MC and fliers the best way to reward GW for their excellent new DA box art that obviously adds so much value to our games is to buy exactly 0 new boxes of DA.

New players... I feel their pain but that's what Ebay or Bartertown are for.

M.

It's as much the principle of it as anything though - an 80% price hike on models that are what... 15-20 years old for no apparent reason?

I don't know why I keep finding it so annoying, but people keep on complaining about eldar models being "15-20 years old" when they just aren't.

The Dire Avengers were updated in 2006 with the 4th edition of the codex. They are seven years old. Not fifteen, not twenty. Most of the aspect warriors recieved new sculpts then as well.

WD rumors from 4chan.

"Fire Dragon WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 5 A 1
Fire Dragon Exarch WS 5 BS 5 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 6 A 1

Wargear:
Heavy Aspect Armor (3+)
Fusion Gun
Melta Bombs

Special Rules:
Ancient Doom
Battle Focus
Fleet

- 5 Dragons 110 points

Options
up to 5 more at 22/model
1 Exarch upgrade 10
Exarch may take Dragon's Breath Flamer for free or Firepike 15pts
Exarch may take up to two of the following exarch powers:
Iron Resolve 5pts
Crushing Blow 10pts
Fast Shot 10pts

May use a Wave Serpent as a Dedicated Transport.

So, Fire Dragons pick up a 3+ save, but jumped up in price by 6 points a head."

 Popenfresh wrote:
WD rumors from 4chan.

"Fire Dragon WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 5 A 1
Fire Dragon Exarch WS 5 BS 5 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 6 A 1

Wargear:
Heavy Aspect Armor (3+)
Fusion Gun
Melta Bombs

Special Rules:
Ancient Doom
Battle Focus
Fleet

- 5 Dragons 110 points

Options
up to 5 more at 22/model
1 Exarch upgrade 10
Exarch may take Dragon's Breath Flamer for free or Firepike 15pts
Exarch may take up to two of the following exarch powers:
Iron Resolve 5pts
Crushing Blow 10pts
Fast Shot 10pts

May use a Wave Serpent as a Dedicated Transport.

So, Fire Dragons pick up a 3+ save, but jumped up in price by 6 points a head."

I wonder what other aspects this 3+ may effect. Hopefully those DA that had a price hike

Seriously though, eldar players should have enough of them to where that increase won't effect their wallet. As has been stated above

They might also have increased the range of the Fusion gun like they did the Fusion blaster for Tau. The ability to run and then shoot or shoot then run is pretty big too. Gives them back their 5th edition mobility out of a transport.

Goliath wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
Honestly I don't know why veteran Eldar players are complaining about the DA price increase.

At this point of time people should have enough DA already and because the meta of 6th Ed is moving to big MC and fliers the best way to reward GW for their excellent new DA box art that obviously adds so much value to our games is to buy exactly 0 new boxes of DA.

New players... I feel their pain but that's what Ebay or Bartertown are for.

M.

It's as much the principle of it as anything though - an 80% price hike on models that are what... 15-20 years old for no apparent reason?

I don't know why I keep finding it so annoying, but people keep on complaining about eldar models being "15-20 years old" when they just aren't.

The Dire Avengers were updated in 2006 with the 4th edition of the codex. They are seven years old. Not fifteen, not twenty. Most of the aspect warriors recieved new sculpts then as well.

My information is incorrect then (though how much of a change was it?)
Point stands though - it's still no changes whatsoever, with effectively the same price for half the models.

I did not see that in the WD....unless they some how gleamed that from the bat rep. If that is so, and we don't have crack shot...that means I have to take crimsons just to stop other fliers.

No pre order for the other supplement, does this mean ibook only or what?.

I have ordered the codex just to have a look at what it is like and the fluff, oh how I love the eldar fluff!.

MarkyMark wrote:
No pre order for the other supplement, does this mean ibook only or what?.

I have ordered the codex just to have a look at what it is like and the fluff, oh how I love the eldar fluff!.

Someone said it'll drop in fifteen days after main codex a few pages back. Hopefully in physical as well.

GTKA666 wrote:
I did not see that in the WD....unless they some how gleamed that from the bat rep. If that is so, and we don't have crack shot...that means I have to take crimsons just to stop other fliers.

My bad, leaked German codex apparently

Wow. Thats a hefty increase in points.

I don't think there's any guarantee that we see similar increases in other aspect warriors, but it is possible.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
And from the description of the limited edition codex there is actually not even different artwork inside. Even the page number is the same.

That's been the case with all of the limited ed codexes. It's just a different cover and a slip case.

For some reason, it strikes me funny that it is the size of the model that they're advertising first and foremost. It's almost like they're trying to one-up themselves. Instead of codex creep, now they have size-creep!



Edit: I know someone has mentioned it before, but is there a feeling that GW is trying to flex their "monstrous miniatures" muscles in the face of Privateer Press' Gargantuans?

God the cc Wraithknight looks ridiculous... holding that sword and little shimmer shield in it's tiny tyranossaurus arms... the balance is completely off for me. Flyers look a bit better in some ways than some of the previous pics, but the nose isn't aligned with the fuselage and engines and it just looks like a badly assembled model for me. Shame, it was close to being awesome...

Farseer is meh... spiritseer not bad but not a fan of the rock-on fingers...

At least the wraithguard look good... and the sniper dude.

Overall though, it is a sin they didn't update any aspects to plastic, introduce anything new, or re-sculpt older characters... and the jetbikes are worst of all.

I was on the fence about this one, but after seeing better pics, pretty firmly in the face-palm camp... compared to the old Goodwin artwork that had such character and style, this is a very big let-down. Jes deserves better!

Huge, and ribbed and studded for your opponent's pleasure...

 Ovion wrote:

Goliath wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
Honestly I don't know why veteran Eldar players are complaining about the DA price increase.

At this point of time people should have enough DA already and because the meta of 6th Ed is moving to big MC and fliers the best way to reward GW for their excellent new DA box art that obviously adds so much value to our games is to buy exactly 0 new boxes of DA.

New players... I feel their pain but that's what Ebay or Bartertown are for.

M.

It's as much the principle of it as anything though - an 80% price hike on models that are what... 15-20 years old for no apparent reason?

I don't know why I keep finding it so annoying, but people keep on complaining about eldar models being "15-20 years old" when they just aren't.

The Dire Avengers were updated in 2006 with the 4th edition of the codex. They are seven years old. Not fifteen, not twenty. Most of the aspect warriors recieved new sculpts then as well.

My information is incorrect then (though how much of a change was it?)
Point stands though - it's still no changes whatsoever, with effectively the same price for half the models.

It was, I believe a conversion from metal to plastic, and resulted in a sharper sculpt and more extra gubbins. I agree with you fully on the price point though, it's ridiculous, I just keep on seeing people complain about a model being 10-20 years old, when it's less than 8 in most cases, which I'm finding unreasonably annoying at the moment. (Probably exam stress)

So much whining over the DA box set. Seriously, which eldar player runs /doesn't already own more than one squad anyway? The only players getting shafted are new players, and they won't know the difference.

From a cursory browse it seems that Iyanden got the biggest boost with Wraithguard as troops and the Wraithknight, but I don't think either are really competitive as the core issues with Eldar aren't really being addressed.

Kinda disappointed about the Jetbikes and Shining Spears.

 Popenfresh wrote:
WD rumors from 4chan.

"Fire Dragon WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 5 A 1
Fire Dragon Exarch WS 5 BS 5 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 6 A 1

Wargear:
Heavy Aspect Armor (3+)
Fusion Gun
Melta Bombs

Special Rules:
Ancient Doom
Battle Focus
Fleet

- 5 Dragons 110 points

Options
up to 5 more at 22/model
1 Exarch upgrade 10
Exarch may take Dragon's Breath Flamer for free or Firepike 15pts
Exarch may take up to two of the following exarch powers:
Iron Resolve 5pts
Crushing Blow 10pts
Fast Shot 10pts

May use a Wave Serpent as a Dedicated Transport.

So, Fire Dragons pick up a 3+ save, but jumped up in price by 6 points a head."

With run+shoot+run I don't think there would be changes to the fusion gun's range since the effective threat range for the Fire Dragons has gone up already. What I am baffled by is the inclusion again of a close combat power in a squad based around hunting tanks and MC. It diffuses the specialization of the squad as the Fire Dragons would best do their job by not being engaged in CC where such a power would actually be used. If they are not engaged in close combat, then points paid for the power would be wasted. Fuegan at least has a fire axe but a Fire Dragon Exarch has nothing.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So much whining over the DA box set. Seriously, which eldar player runs /doesn't already own more than one squad anyway? The only players getting shafted are new players, and they won't know the difference.

From a cursory browse it seems that Iyanden got the biggest boost with Wraithguard as troops and the Wraithknight, but I don't think either are really competitive as the core issues with Eldar aren't really being addressed.

Kinda disappointed about the Jetbikes and Shining Spears.

Without knowing what exactly is at the new army's disposal, I would venture to say that it would be tough to measure the competitiveness of the new units and their core issues just yet. It would be like judging the new Necron codex with the old Necron's flaws.

Don't know if anybody has noticed but from the GW page it seems that the seer council stats are WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 2 I 5 A 1 Ld 8

Extra rules
Psychic mastery 1
Ancient doom

Wargear
Witchblades

That's all I could make out

The new boxes, no doubt, will be the scapegoat for the upcoming price hike as everything gets re-packaged in their glossy new cardboard.

 puma713 wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So much whining over the DA box set. Seriously, which eldar player runs /doesn't already own more than one squad anyway? The only players getting shafted are new players, and they won't know the difference.

From a cursory browse it seems that Iyanden got the biggest boost with Wraithguard as troops and the Wraithknight, but I don't think either are really competitive as the core issues with Eldar aren't really being addressed.

Kinda disappointed about the Jetbikes and Shining Spears.

Without knowing what exactly is at the new army's disposal, I would venture to say that it would be tough to measure the competitiveness of the new units and their core issues just yet. It would be like judging the new Necron codex with the old Necron's flaws.

You don't have to have a released codex to realise that five close combat Wraithguard at 160 points per squad are a terrible idea. Necrons got a boost through edition meta changes (Fliers, Objectives, AV13 Spam), alongside the codex changes. Although a thirty wraithguard army with Conceal could be quite hard to dislodge...

Love this so far.

Wait, just witchblades, no shuri pistols? Losing that attack would suck.

 Popenfresh wrote:
Wait, just witchblades, no shuri pistols? Losing that attack would suck.

Oh they definitely have more wargear, it's just the page is half obscured so I couldn't make out the rest of their rules and wargear

OMG! The bundles (3 Support Weapons, 3 War Walkers, etc.) are actually at a discount!!!

This is... great... news?

Bloodhorror wrote:
£70 for the Knight...

£70 for the Battleforce containing 17 models... Old ones at that...


I Think GW just fethed me.... Still, I hope WW has some Dire Avenger Boxes left over tomorrow! Gonna buy as many as I can before they become oop

I just snagged two more boxes from my local GW just before preorders went up.

I think I've got enough Dire Avengers now.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
God the cc Wraithknight looks ridiculous... holding that sword and little shimmer shield in it's tiny tyranossaurus arms... the balance is completely off for me.

I have some ideas there... I'm just not sure I want to buy a $125 model to test them out.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
OMG! The bundles (3 Support Weapons, 3 War Walkers, etc.) are actually at a discount!!!

This is... great... news?

I was shocked.

GW has bundled their product. K, nothing new their...wait wtf, GW has discounted their bundle? Ok, never saw that coming but hone....wait WTF, THEY HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY DISCOUNTED A BUNDLE?!?

Ok, "Most cost effective" is a nice way of saying discounted, but come on, I never would have imaged they'd finally wake up and do it.

And ya know what? It feels good. And the new models look quite nice to boot. Anyone else getting the feeling that Wraithknight is still too apoc scaled though?

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
OMG! The bundles (3 Support Weapons, 3 War Walkers, etc.) are actually at a discount!!!

This is... great... news?

I was shocked.

Scroll lower...now you can have 3 marine/scout bikes for what is the price of 2.
That is what I saw more than the Eldars' truck o' stuff

Interesting 10-25$ bundles, not great but it is pretty cool. But then you wouldnt have to pay taxes individually. so it is an even greater deal

just downloaded the new White Dwarf this afternoon...
looks good...

i'm looking forward to reading the bet rep, and seeing the new toys in action vs. some Necrons...

too bad the new sniper is Finecast...
he looks fun too paint, but nobody wants a droopy rifle...

cheers
jah

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
OMG! The bundles (3 Support Weapons, 3 War Walkers, etc.) are actually at a discount!!!

This is... great... news?

I was shocked.

Scroll lower...now you can have 3 marine/scout bikes for what is the price of 2.
That is what I saw more than the Eldars' truck o' stuff

Yeah a ton of deals, although the us prices looked like 40 so 5 off.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Interesting 10-25$ bundles, not great but it is pretty cool. But then you wouldnt have to pay taxes individually. so it is an even greater deal

Sales tax is a percentage...

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
OMG! The bundles (3 Support Weapons, 3 War Walkers, etc.) are actually at a discount!!!

This is... great... news?

I was shocked.

Scroll lower...now you can have 3 marine/scout bikes for what is the price of 2.
That is what I saw more than the Eldars' truck o' stuff

Remember that a price increase is coming in a month or so. This is probably pre-price increase re-packaging.

Are Marine and Scout bikes normally AUD$19? 'Cause that's what they are on the GW website right now...

 pretre wrote:

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
OMG! The bundles (3 Support Weapons, 3 War Walkers, etc.) are actually at a discount!!!

This is... great... news?

I was shocked.

Scroll lower...now you can have 3 marine/scout bikes for what is the price of 2.
That is what I saw more than the Eldars' truck o' stuff

Yeah a ton of deals, although the us prices looked like 40 so 5 off.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Interesting 10-25$ bundles, not great but it is pretty cool. But then you wouldnt have to pay taxes individually. so it is an even greater deal

Sales tax is a percentage...

Correct, Bt if you where to buy them individually w/o the discount it would cost more in tax then the bundle.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Are Marine and Scout bikes normally AUD$19? 'Cause that's what they are on the GW website right now...

Interesting. The 3-bike-set are on Pre-order. Guess they are waiting for new boxes.

Hey not sure if this was brought up but I can't find that supplement book on the website any where

It's not supposed to be available until June 15th.

Ahhhh thank you very much sir

I really hope it Wraithknight has some sort of balance thing going on with it, I inda hope it has a chance to go beserk or inert for a turn or something

Ok, the sexiness of the new models (and the codex!) has proven enough to bring me back into the game. Eldar were my first army, and these are just too cool to resist. The discounts are cool too, although the price for the Dire Avengers is not. But for the first time in a while, I actually like the direction 40k is going.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So much whining over the DA box set. Seriously, which eldar player runs /doesn't already own more than one squad anyway? The only players getting shafted are new players, and they won't know the difference.

From a cursory browse it seems that Iyanden got the biggest boost with Wraithguard as troops and the Wraithknight, but I don't think either are really competitive as the core issues with Eldar aren't really being addressed.

Kinda disappointed about the Jetbikes and Shining Spears.

Without knowing what exactly is at the new army's disposal, I would venture to say that it would be tough to measure the competitiveness of the new units and their core issues just yet. It would be like judging the new Necron codex with the old Necron's flaws.

You don't have to have a released codex to realise that five close combat Wraithguard at 160 points per squad are a terrible idea. Necrons got a boost through edition meta changes (Fliers, Objectives, AV13 Spam), alongside the codex changes. Although a thirty wraithguard army with Conceal could be quite hard to dislodge...

Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. S5/T6/I4/3+ save Fearless with AP3 power weapons, potentially 3 attacks on the charge (if taking double swords). 32 points per model ain't a bad deal for that at all, especially since you can take them as troops with a Spiritseer. Basically immune to small arms fire, and most opposing units outside of terminators will require 6s to wound. Sure, there are some units you would want to steer clear of, but by and large, they are very effective and very durable.

Blackveil wrote:
.... although the price for the Dire Avengers is not.

That's an interesting move, yes they are nice models.. but to charge the same amount for half the amount of models as previous is pretty asinine even for GW.

I believe GW may be moving the plastics to the price range of the finecast, I remember the annual report a couple of years ago saying the plastics should be brought into line with the metals, the finecast replaced the metals and so I think they'll bring the units to match, as the dire avengers now do with the finecast rangers.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Scroll lower...now you can have 3 marine/scout bikes for what is the price of 2.

$15 USD each or $40 USD for three. That's not really "the price of 2" in this neck of the woods. :(

The Necron Destroyer squad is a little more tempting, especially if we can get the 3-to-a-box set from the online guys.

Ok lets see, We have the dire avengers with a de-facto price increase.
But we also have bundles that save you anywhere from 10-20$. And very fast codex releases.
2 step forwards, one step back.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok lets see, We have the dire avengers with a de-facto price increase.
But we also have bundles that save you anywhere from 10-20$. And very fast codex releases.
2 step forwards, one step back.

Whether or not "very fast codex releases" are "a step forward" is a matter of opinion.

I am absolutely appalled.

Not by the prices, because we actually got quite a few discounts. Sure the Dire Avengers are egregious. But War Walkers are now $15 cheaper if you intend to build a squad of 3 (which almost everyone does). The Wraithknight is $115? Big deal; it is also one of GW's biggest kits. Wraithguard are MUCH cheaper, are plastic, look better, come with bits and can make different units.

But no, what truly appalls me is that someone a few pages back actually advocated burning down Games Workshop stores. This amounts to terroristic threats of violence and, while I'm sure he won't actually do such a thing, it is disturbing to see that the comment was never deleted. I guess because the poster fits in with the anti-GW majority here, he gets a pass. I wonder what would have happened had someone posted such a thing about Privateer Press?

Mods, you are a failure. I am done with this place.

Onion_Knight wrote:
I am absolutely appalled.

Not by the prices, because we actually got quite a few discounts. Sure the Dire Avengers are egregious. But War Walkers are now $15 cheaper if you intend to build a squad of 3 (which almost everyone does). The Wraithknight is $115? Big deal; it is also one of GW's biggest kits. Wraithguard are MUCH cheaper, are plastic, look better, come with bits and can make different units.

But no, what truly appalls me is that someone a few pages back actually advocated burning down Games Workshop stores. This amounts to terroristic threats of violence and, while I'm sure he won't actually do such a thing, it is disturbing to see that the comment was never deleted. I guess because the poster fits in with the anti-GW majority here, he gets a pass. I wonder what would have happened had someone posted such a thing about Privateer Press?

Mods, you are a failure. I am done with this place.

after 3 posts?

Also, if hyperbole offends you you may wish to be done with the internet.

Onion_Knight wrote:


Mods, you are a failure. I am done with this place.

LOL. We'll miss you terribly and all we'll have to remember you by are your three little posts. Such a devastating loss to the site.

I already placed my order!!!

1x Codex
1x Psychic cards
1x Spiritseer
1x Ranger character

Anything else that is new I will buy AFTER I read the codex. These, though, are the essentials for me.

Anyone know any sites offering pre-order discounts >25%? Trying to maximize savings .

Not eldar, but I am glad I held off buying 5 chaos bikes today lol
TWG even have them up to order already, whoopee.

I want my Wraithknight to dual wield Riptides while standing on platform Dreadknight shoes.

That should put it into Titan Class size at that point.

 WarOne wrote:
I want my Wraithknight to dual wield Riptides while standing on platform Dreadknight shoes.

That should put it into Titan Class size at that point.

Yo dawg. . .aw, forget it.

The Dire Avengers price isn't anything new for GW. I've only read the last 20 or so pages but I haven't seen this mentioned yet.

Grey Knight Strike Squad - 5 models USD 33.00

Granted that's USD 2.00 less expensive than the Dire Avengers, but I'm sure that will be fixed once the next price increase rolls around.

They do look much nicer than the old plastics, all sorts of gubbins and they're not all in identical poses like the previous set. I may even buy a box.

The Wraithguard box I'm definitely buying, a little bit of GS magic and you will be able to whip out some pretty wiz (if a bit on the tall side) True Scale Marines.

Whitey Blackman wrote:
The Dire Avengers price isn't anything new for GW. I've only read the last 20 or so pages but I haven't seen this mentioned yet.

Grey Knight Strike Squad - 5 models USD 33.00

Granted that's USD 2.00 less expensive than the Dire Avengers, but I'm sure that will be fixed once the next price increase rolls around.

They do look much nicer than the old plastics, all sorts of gubbins and they're not all in identical poses like the previous set. I may even buy a box.

The Wraithguard box I'm definitely buying, a little bit of GS magic and you will be able to whip out some pretty wiz (if a bit on the tall side) True Scale Marines.

You do realize that it's the exact same sprues as the previous (and only plastic ever) set of Dire Avengers, right? You just get half as many sprues, for nearly the exact same cost.

The Japanese prices for the new stuff are surprisingly only slightly higher than the UK prices. The old stuff still has a 100% mark up though.

I fear this bout of sanity that seems to have struck GW.

shade1313 wrote:

Whitey Blackman wrote:
The Dire Avengers price isn't anything new for GW. I've only read the last 20 or so pages but I haven't seen this mentioned yet.

Grey Knight Strike Squad - 5 models USD 33.00

Granted that's USD 2.00 less expensive than the Dire Avengers, but I'm sure that will be fixed once the next price increase rolls around.

They do look much nicer than the old plastics, all sorts of gubbins and they're not all in identical poses like the previous set. I may even buy a box.

The Wraithguard box I'm definitely buying, a little bit of GS magic and you will be able to whip out some pretty wiz (if a bit on the tall side) True Scale Marines.

You do realize that it's the exact same sprues as the previous (and only plastic ever) set of Dire Avengers, right? You just get half as many sprues, for nearly the exact same cost.

Yea, I was thinking the same thing. If they redesigned the Dire Avengers then maybe - MAYBE - it might be cool but as is, nope.

I think he's talking about the metal GK's.

Is anyone already thinking about how difficult it would be to magnetize the flyer to convert back and forth? Sorry if already covered I have found it hard to keep up after page 70

From looking at the parts, it appears like the flyers can be assembled a variety of ways beyond just purely the standard Hemlock and Crimson Hunter.

I for one prefer the Hemlock tail wing and dislike the two small fuselage wings on the Crimson Hunter. Might try to assemble a Crimson Hunter with just the bare patch instead of those small wings.

shade1313 wrote:

You do realize that it's the exact same sprues as the previous (and only plastic ever) set of Dire Avengers, right? You just get half as many sprues, for nearly the exact same cost.

Wow you're completely right. I'm a nub. The lack of fun angles and lots of empty space in the layout of the gates should have told me it's an old mold. That sort of price increase boggles the mind. I guess they want to help the ebay sellers make more money.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I think he's talking about the metal GK's.

I am referring to the current plastic PA Grey Knights. $33.00 for 5 models. They have a lot more extra bits though. I'll be really excited when Boyz and 'gants get the same treatment.

For anyone that cares, Wraithlords are apparently confirmed to be T8 still.

The war walker squadron price makes my black heart beat just once with joy. Wish I still had my Eldar so I could buy more and feel so good about myself.

Iracundus wrote:
From looking at the parts, it appears like the flyers can be assembled a variety of ways beyond just purely the standard Hemlock and Crimson Hunter.

I for one prefer the Hemlock tail wing and dislike the two small fuselage wings on the Crimson Hunter. Might try to assemble a Crimson Hunter with just the bare patch instead of those small wings.

Good idea I am hoping to magnetize so each can be used if needed.

They really do think they're like Apple now, except instead of putting the product on a minimalist white background it's black. Because grimdark.

I checked the preorder page...are eldar jetbikes really not getting an update? I saw models at games day FIVE YEARS AGO.

 AustonT wrote:
I checked the preorder page...are eldar jetbikes really not getting an update? I saw models at games day FIVE YEARS AGO.

They are not getting an update. The model you saw was a prototype that was not used.

I am too disgruntled over it.

The new Eldar FAQ is already up, seems there was one little thing that didn't make it into the final draft.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3250082a_Eldar_v1.0_June13.pdf

 MRPYM wrote:

 AustonT wrote:
I checked the preorder page...are eldar jetbikes really not getting an update? I saw models at games day FIVE YEARS AGO.

They are not getting an update. The model you saw was a prototype that was not used.

I am too disgruntled over it.

Not that I am directly disagreeing with you but they did use the model in the DE line. Change riders and snip off the pointy stuff and it's clearly the same model.

Oryza Sativa wrote:
The new Eldar FAQ is already up, seems there was one little thing that didn't make it into the final draft.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3250082a_Eldar_v1.0_June13.pdf

Huh interesting, wonder why they didn't release this the day of the codex launch so we have a little more context.

Whitey Blackman wrote:


I am referring to the current plastic PA Grey Knights. $33.00 for 5 models. They have a lot more extra bits though. I'll be really excited when Boyz and 'gants get the same treatment.

Can't you also make Interceptors with the same box? And technically Purifiers? And what can you make with 5 static Dire Avengers? 5 static Dire Avengers.





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 MandalorynOranj wrote:

Oryza Sativa wrote:
The new Eldar FAQ is already up, seems there was one little thing that didn't make it into the final draft.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3250082a_Eldar_v1.0_June13.pdf

Huh interesting, wonder why they didn't release this the day of the codex launch so we have a little more context.

Wow, their production is such that instead of editing the books themselves, they have a FAQ out before it has even hit the shelves. And while most will praise the speed at which they released the answer to the forthcoming questions, I would ask why the book wasn't properly edited in the first place.

Jetbikes not updated but DA are? I could be the happiest Eldar on the planet because I only run GJB and don't own any DA. Woooooooooooooo


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Oh, and with a $140 price tag, I'm saying:

inb4 WraithKnight is the new auto include for all three HS slots

If anyone buys the LE dex, then I'll be first to tell you you're an idiot for paying $60 for a dust jacket.

I suppose that I was too spoiled by the DE and Necron release, as I am disappointed by this one. There are too many models that needed new kits that are either being repackaged and upped in price, or simply not being updated. I still do not want to deal with Finecast Banshee and Dark Reapers. But NOW I also have to watch Dire Avengers double in price? No thanks.

 WarOne wrote:
I want my Wraithknight to dual wield Riptides while standing on platform Dreadknight shoes.

That should put it into Titan Class size at that point.

But that's like beating one mofo with another mofo...

I approve.

 Ravenous D wrote:
If anyone buys the LE dex, then I'll be first to tell you you're an idiot for paying $60 for a dust jacket.

Seconded

My brother has lots of eldar but does not really play any more, so Im picking up Eldar for my second army.

Already pre-orderd the dex and the wraithknight, but will hold of anything else until I have had a good read of the dex. Although disappointed in lack of new scuplts, I think the wraithguard box is very good value for money.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So much whining over the DA box set. Seriously, which eldar player runs /doesn't already own more than one squad anyway? The only players getting shafted are new players, and they won't know the difference.

Yeah! How dare players expect their models to be priced at some level that is appropriate to their value? GW can raise the price of anything and if you complain about it, that just shows your moral failing for not having bought a sufficient number previously!

Christ, can the GW white knights take a break for a bit? No one is proclaiming the evil of players who actually pay these prices. Perhaps GW's fans can afford people who recognize the absurdity of raising the price on a miniature that has not changed at all a basic level of respect? Or are we going to go the console wars on this and draw up pro-/anti- GW teams because our lives are empty without something to be tribal about?

Still hate the random insertion of massive new models in lieu of updating the outdated aspect warrior range. I refuse to buy anything fine cast so I may be in trouble with Eldar . Sure you can make an army without them but then it doesn't feel like Eldar.

The bundles do nothing for me because its still cheaper to buy from miniature market and I'm sure they are GW only. The fact that people still buy directly from GW blows my mind. I definitely won't even consider Dire Avengers.

Onion_Knight wrote:
But no, what truly appalls me is that someone a few pages back actually advocated burning down Games Workshop stores. This amounts to terroristic threats of violence and, while I'm sure he won't actually do such a thing, it is disturbing to see that the comment was never deleted. I guess because the poster fits in with the anti-GW majority here, he gets a pass. I wonder what would have happened had someone posted such a thing about Privateer Press?

Exactly the same thing as happened here... eventually, someone reported to the moderators rather than just complaining about our lack of omnipotence, and the post was removed.

Griever wrote:
Still hate the random insertion of massive new models in lieu of updating the outdated aspect warrior range. I refuse to buy anything fine cast so I may be in trouble with Eldar . Sure you can make an army without them but then it doesn't feel like Eldar.

Most of those Aspects are from 2007. There is a LOT older out there that GW needs to update.

Additionally, consider the pace of the releases, then consider that GW operates just like a company like Hasbro does: they have a budget for their releases in each quarter. GW probably can't afford to do all the updates everyone wanted. Imagine the nerd rage if only one or two of the Aspects got updated but the others didn't.

I think GW handled it correctly and will do the Aspects all at once instead only a couple at a later date. Plus it means they'd be able to suck more money out of you later instead of all at once.

ClockworkZion wrote:

Griever wrote:
Still hate the random insertion of massive new models in lieu of updating the outdated aspect warrior range. I refuse to buy anything fine cast so I may be in trouble with Eldar . Sure you can make an army without them but then it doesn't feel like Eldar.

Most of those Aspects are from 2007. There is a LOT older out there that GW needs to update.

Additionally, consider the pace of the releases, then consider that GW operates just like a company like Hasbro does: they have a budget for their releases in each quarter. GW probably can't afford to do all the updates everyone wanted. Imagine the nerd rage if only one or two of the Aspects got updated but the others didn't.

I think GW handled it correctly and will do the Aspects all at once instead only a couple at a later date. Plus it means they'd be able to suck more money out of you later instead of all at once.

It also has to do with how deep our pockets are and keeping things fresh for later.

If they released EVERYTHING EVERYONE wanted for eldar NONONE could buy it all.....so they release new stuff now to build the wave, and replace old stuff later, once every dex is updated.

I wish more people looked a bit further than the end of their nose.....

Finally taking the plunge and going digital on White Dwarf, just for the Eldar bits.

I take it because it's digital, there's more to it?

Puscifer wrote:
From what I've read and been told about Guardians and Avengers, Guardians are going to be much better than Avengers.

Rumoured at 6pts for a Guardian with Shuriken Catapult that can run and shoot per shooting phase. Apparently this extends to the weapons platform too.

Avengers are rumoured to still be 12 points each and get the longer ranged Shuriken Catapult and better stats.

If this is true, the Guardians will be a much better investment.

With 12" range guns, they still only get to shoot on Overwatch, so still worthless.

Puscifer wrote:
Finally taking the plunge and going digital on White Dwarf, just for the Eldar bits.

I take it because it's digital, there's more to it?

You get a video discussion of the battle report, some spinny pictures of the models and some pan and zooms of some of the pictures. Otherwise it's the same. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad, you get a little more for the same cost, but some of this stuff is on the website for free.

The new "faq" for the new eldar book, lol is for the shadowweaver.

Based on that errate the shadowweaver got a nice bump! new thinks are, ap6, barrage, and monofiliment, nice!


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 DarknessEternal wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
From what I've read and been told about Guardians and Avengers, Guardians are going to be much better than Avengers.

Rumoured at 6pts for a Guardian with Shuriken Catapult that can run and shoot per shooting phase. Apparently this extends to the weapons platform too.

Avengers are rumoured to still be 12 points each and get the longer ranged Shuriken Catapult and better stats.

If this is true, the Guardians will be a much better investment.

With 12" range guns, they still only get to shoot on Overwatch, so still worthless.

Even IF the guns are still 12" they get two cool new abilities

fleet (reroll run dice)
battle focus (they can shoot then run, or run then shoot)

SO that means they can either move forward 6" shoot you then RUN BACKWARDS.....

OR

move 6" RUN TOWARDS YOU THEN SHOOT YOU making thier range with a 12" gun....18" minimum (then you run back) or you go forward another 3-4" on average and shoot making the gun 22" range...

we also dont know if you can then charge after doing all that....which would be awesome.


BY THE WAY

battle focus seems to be on almost every eldar. The preview page from the dex when you reorder it the firedragon and warp spiders have it...

IMAGINE THE POSSIBLITIES!!! ELDAR ARE NOW FAST LITTLE BASTARDS WITH GUNS!! I LOVE IT!!

Warp spiders with jetpacks, warp generators.......fleet....and battle focus....wow....tau got nothing on that (oh and warp spiders have hit and run)

open your minds to the POWA!!!

wow - amazingly lazy painting on the Spiritseer (the underside of the robe).
Yes, I know that's very, very picky of me, but my first lesson in painting was "Don't forget the underneath!"

... the staff is pretty hideous, and will probably get an arm-swap... maybe for the spear arm of the Farseer? An axe would be nice, but I'm guessing that the proportions would be way off if I used one of the Wraithblade axes... (not that that has ever stopped GW designers... lol)

The new boxes are quite nice. I like them a lot!

Griever wrote:
Still hate the random insertion of massive new models in lieu of updating the outdated aspect warrior range.

Outdated? You realise that Aspect Warriors are one of the most consistently updated ranges in all of 40k? Eldar have just received their fourth Codex in the history of 40K, and this is the only time the majority of the Aspect Warriors haven't been updated?

Looks like the Eldar are going to get the Tau treatment in terms of global stock levels. We're already being prepped in Aus for no stock (unless you go to Games Workshop themselves and pay their insane prices).

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/529143.page

£70 for the Wraithknight - wow, just wow

New marketing looks cool, wraith stuff looks amazing, DA price gauging is lame.

Stop complaining about old Aspect models... *goes back to painting Sisters of Battle*

And I thought the Riptide was FUGLY...

Seriously the Newcrons range, Helldrake, Dinobots, Flying Churches, Slaneesh chariot, Tau flyer and now Wraithknight, GW is on the run...

Some great models like Broadside or DA knights there too, also Eldar flyer looks good on 360. They're in minority though, pretty bad for best model soldiers in the world.

 Ravenous D wrote:
If anyone buys the LE dex, then I'll be first to tell you you're an idiot for paying $60 for a dust jacket.

This, honestly, was the biggest letdown for me.

I had been planning to eagerly await release, spamming refresh on the GW homepage to get the lowest number I possibly could on the Eldar LE Codex -- especially after how beautiful the Tau one turned out.

Now, I can't even bring myself to do it. It's at least double the price for a mismatched, hastily and poorly-designed dust jacket ... and a book with a couple of placemarker ribbons? Talk about heartbreaking.

Beyond that, I'm surprised everyone keeps complaining about Aspect Warriors not being redone (perhaps with the noted exception of Warp Spiders and Shining Spears). Where we really need resculpts are in Jetbikes, Phoenix Lords, Warlocks, and the Avatar.

After that, it should honestly be Guardians and probably Vypers.

the dire avengers price raise is truly insulting. The box will be 10$ more than a box of Helion.
Doesn't make any sense at all

Where did the rumor come from about the knight having 8 wounds? Is that confirmed?

The wraithknight is only $10 more in australia!! Obviously still a ridic price, but at least I don't have to search the internet trying to find one for hours.

To be honest, i quite like the phoenix lord models, as old as they are
I agree about aspects though.
Only need to update spiders and spears.

Other than that, pretty decent release.

I can't believe the jetbikes haven't been re-done TBH. Weren't these first released with 2nd edition 40K? they really look old school compared to every thing else.

 tuiman wrote:
Where did the rumor come from about the knight having 8 wounds? Is that confirmed?

T8 with 6 wounds as per the WD.

To me the most interesting part of this release, aside from the gorgeous Illic Nightspear, is the new bundle boxes for Vypers, War Walkers, and Support weapons-- bundle boxes that actually provide a substantial discount!

Is GW learning?

ClockworkZion wrote:

 tuiman wrote:
Where did the rumor come from about the knight having 8 wounds? Is that confirmed?

T8 with 6 wounds as per the WD.

Thanks

 Jackal wrote:
To be honest, i quite like the phoenix lord models, as old as they are
I agree about aspects though.
Only need to update spiders and spears.

Other than that, pretty decent release.

I agree, overall, that the release is pretty decent. Honestly, outside of the huge letdown that the LE Codex was (at least, for me personally), I quite like everything we got. I honestly don't think the Wraithknight is "that" crazy in price, especially when you consider what you actually "can" buy it for it if you just dig a bit.

As far as the Phoenix Lords ... well, to each their own I suppose. I like Karandras still, but every time I see Jain Zar's hair I literally facepalm. lol

Let's just hope that there's going to be a Saim Hann release wave with an updated bike / spear combo kit. I think that would go a huge ways toward patching up the holes left over.

I'm actually pleased they didn't redo the aspect warriors, the models still hold up for the most part and I really, really don't want to re-buy them.
Except Warp Spiders.

Theorius wrote:
The new "faq" for the new eldar book, lol is for the shadowweaver.

Based on that errate the shadowweaver got a nice bump! new thinks are, ap6, barrage, and monofiliment, nice!


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 DarknessEternal wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
From what I've read and been told about Guardians and Avengers, Guardians are going to be much better than Avengers.

Rumoured at 6pts for a Guardian with Shuriken Catapult that can run and shoot per shooting phase. Apparently this extends to the weapons platform too.

Avengers are rumoured to still be 12 points each and get the longer ranged Shuriken Catapult and better stats.

If this is true, the Guardians will be a much better investment.

With 12" range guns, they still only get to shoot on Overwatch, so still worthless.

Even IF the guns are still 12" they get two cool new abilities

fleet (reroll run dice)
battle focus (they can shoot then run, or run then shoot)

SO that means they can either move forward 6" shoot you then RUN BACKWARDS.....

OR

move 6" RUN TOWARDS YOU THEN SHOOT YOU making thier range with a 12" gun....18" minimum (then you run back) or you go forward another 3-4" on average and shoot making the gun 22" range...

we also dont know if you can then charge after doing all that....which would be awesome.


BY THE WAY

battle focus seems to be on almost every eldar. The preview page from the dex when you reorder it the firedragon and warp spiders have it...

IMAGINE THE POSSIBLITIES!!! ELDAR ARE NOW FAST LITTLE BASTARDS WITH GUNS!! I LOVE IT!!

Warp spiders with jetpacks, warp generators.......fleet....and battle focus....wow....tau got nothing on that (oh and warp spiders have hit and run)

open your minds to the POWA!!!

This and I can get two Guardians for one Avenger. Twice as many shots and wounds plus a heavy weapon.

Rumour has it that all Aspects are 3+ armour saves and yhat you can have a Wraithwing Army by taking the Spiritseer that unlocks them.

Only issue i now have, is i need 40, 40mm bases -_-
My beloved wraithguard now get a base upgrade and 3 more weapon options, nice

I do like the cheaper squad box's aswell.
I know its not much of a saving, but £18 each, or £47.50 for 3 still aint bad.

 Jackal wrote:
Only issue i now have, is i need 40, 40mm bases -_-
My beloved wraithguard now get a base upgrade and 3 more weapon options, nice

I do like the cheaper squad box's aswell.
I know its not much of a saving, but £18 each, or £47.50 for 3 still aint bad.

Wraithguard are 40mm bases now???

Honestly, I agree ... if I had to replace all my Aspect Warriors, I'd be grumbling a bit.

The only way I could have seen it is if they did combo plastic kits, which I was admittedly half-expecting ... I mean, if you head swap a Fire Dragon to a DA body and give him a different accessory belt / fusion gun, you'd probably never be able to tell the difference. Most of our infantry armor is compatible enough that with a few head sprues and weapon sprues we'd probably be good to go ... could maybe even do 3 types per box.

I don't know what to do about my Wraithguard. I've got 40 metal ones, but I'm completely in love with the new models ... I honestly might just replace them, as crushing as that would be. I had also thought about maybe resurrecting my old Ghost Warriors to stand in as Wraithblades (I have about 5 of each flavor of Ghost Warrior), but I dunno. Maybe for a nostalgia / retro list. lol

Ho man, just saw the Aus price on Dire Avengers after a friend living in Canberra pointed it out to me...next to Forgeworld prices...a unit of 10 Dire Avengers in Australia would net you 20 Death Korps of Krieg infantry or Grenadiers, an Eldar Lynx Superheavy grav tank, 1 for 1 on Shadow Spectres, a Valdor Tank Hunter Superheavy, or 15 "early mark" Space Marines.


wow.

 warpspider89 wrote:
Wraithguard are 40mm bases now???

They're on 40mm in the new pics, yes.


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Carresuith wrote:
Honestly, I agree ... if I had to replace all my Aspect Warriors, I'd be grumbling a bit.

Why would you 'have' to replace them...?

After 5+ pages of practically nothing but pricing issues, may I be the first to say that the Eldar jet is the sexiest plane in the game.

]Why would you 'have' to replace them...?

Vanity.

Who doesn't want the want the prettiest toys on the table? Mind you, "grumbling" was not intended to be read as "complaining."

1st of June for altar of war and digital codex.

Downloaded the preview of the Codex on iPad. Not as telling as the High Elf book, but it does have some weapon stats:

Shuriken Catapult 12" S4 AP5 Assault 2, Bladestorm
Shuriken Cannon 24" S6 AP5 Assault 3, Bladestorm

Bladestorm: When a weapon with this special rule rolls a 6 To Wound, the target is wounded automatically and the Wound is resolved at AP2.

 theharrower wrote:
Downloaded the preview of the Codex on iPad. Not as telling as the High Elf book, but it does have some weapon stats:

Shuriken Catapult 12" S4 AP5 Assault 2, Bladestorm
Shuriken Cannon 24" S6 AP5 Assault 3, Bladestorm

Bladestorm: When a weapon with this special rule rolls a 6 To Wound, the target is wounded automatically and the Wound is resolved at AP2.

Wow, that's cool. I think dire avengers are still going to be better than guardians.
I heard that fire dragons got a points increase and a slight buff, is that true? 22 points, 3+ save or something?

Still think they should be 18" minimum :(

I suppose we'll have to wait and see how they play with the combination of Fleet and Run / Shoot or Shoot / Run. I agree, though, I was hoping for another 6" on all the Shuriken weapons.

Carresuith wrote:
Vanity.

Who doesn't want the want the prettiest toys on the table?

New doesn't automatically mean better... As evidenced by the replacement of the awesome (for their age) 2nd ed Jes Goodwin Aspects by the Morley-fied early Juan Diaz-sculpted 3rd ed versions...

 Khaine wrote:

 theharrower wrote:
Downloaded the preview of the Codex on iPad. Not as telling as the High Elf book, but it does have some weapon stats:

Shuriken Catapult 12" S4 AP5 Assault 2, Bladestorm
Shuriken Cannon 24" S6 AP5 Assault 3, Bladestorm

Bladestorm: When a weapon with this special rule rolls a 6 To Wound, the target is wounded automatically and the Wound is resolved at AP2.

Wow, that's cool. I think dire avengers are still going to be better than guardians.
I heard that fire dragons got a points increase and a slight buff, is that true? 22 points, 3+ save or something?

With those rules, I'm not so sure. More bodies for survivability and more chances to trigger Bladestorm in a large Guardian unit.

Also... even if all aspects are 3+, which I doubt, I can't see ten Avengers being better than twenty Guardians.

18 shots at BS 4 and 2 at BS 5 is worse than forty shots at BS 3.

Why would they invent a new rule for what Rending already does?

 Shandara wrote:
Why would they invent a new rule for what Rending already does?

To prevent the weapons from receiving the extra d3 to armor pen should they shoot at a vehicle.

Does anyone else find it funny that the battleforce is identical to the current one only the war-walker has been swapped out for a viper?

The new box designs are interesting, unsure as to whether i like them or not

And is the new Ltd edition codex really just 30 quid for a dust jacket!!!??!?!?

Aww...there goes my plan of making better looking black guardians using Dire Avengers parts.

Looking forward to purchase only a box of Wraithguard from this release. And given that I skipped Wraithlord and War Walkers on 2007 release, maybe some of them as well. Forgeworld Wraithseer is seriously tempting.

Wraithknight and flyer are silly and won't find their way into my collection.

 insaniak wrote:
New doesn't automatically mean better... As evidenced by the replacement of the awesome (for their age) 2nd ed Jes Goodwin Aspects by the Morley-fied early Juan Diaz-sculpted 3rd ed versions...

True. And perhaps they would not have been improved at all, after the fact. Though just as often, we see inspired revamps in the likes of the new Wraithlord, War Walkers, Support Weapons ... so it literally could go either way. I prefer plastic (and as such, would have probably purchased new Aspect plastic kits) simply because i find it considerably easier to convert.

But if they were hideous sculpts, then no, I would not buy them.

I love the look of those Wraithguard with the swords. Anyone know if it'll be possible to take them as troops?

Puscifer wrote:

 Khaine wrote:

 theharrower wrote:
Downloaded the preview of the Codex on iPad. Not as telling as the High Elf book, but it does have some weapon stats:

Shuriken Catapult 12" S4 AP5 Assault 2, Bladestorm
Shuriken Cannon 24" S6 AP5 Assault 3, Bladestorm

Bladestorm: When a weapon with this special rule rolls a 6 To Wound, the target is wounded automatically and the Wound is resolved at AP2.

Wow, that's cool. I think dire avengers are still going to be better than guardians.
I heard that fire dragons got a points increase and a slight buff, is that true? 22 points, 3+ save or something?

With those rules, I'm not so sure. More bodies for survivability and more chances to trigger Bladestorm in a large Guardian unit.

Also... even if all aspects are 3+, which I doubt, I can't see ten Avengers being better than twenty Guardians.

18 shots at BS 4 and 2 at BS 5 is worse than forty shots at BS 3.

Honestly both of them are looking like pretty competitive choices, especially guardians if they are 6 points as you say. Their offensive output is looking pretty nice, and their range is actually ok considering the run/shoot or shoot/run thing.

That flyer is beautiful.

The rest of the stuff is kinda eh, but I'm totally not into Eldar, so I'm fairly biased.

Interesting that the plastic farseer is male only.

Also got to say I find this rather funny both for $25 Canadian, guess I'm glad I held off buying the finecast one


http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1700063a -Finecast

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod2060052a -Plastic

 Fezman wrote:
I love the look of those Wraithguard with the swords. Anyone know if it'll be possible to take them as troops?

Apparently if you take the Spiritseer you can take WG as troops.

I need some confusion cleared up here. Is the Spiritseer an independent HQ choice, or just a nice model to put in your Wraithguard squad instead of a Warlock?

@ Marzillius Spiritseer is an HQ, you can even see a model listed for it in the HQ section of the eldar on the website.

That new bladestorm rule is going to make guardian Jetbikes pretty nasty as well, they'll probably become the go to troop choice over both guardians and avengers. Especially if they get battlefocus rule as well.

Guys, something's wrong.
We've slipped into another dimension.
Some of the bundles on the preorder page actually make you save a few bucks! (Support weapon bundle, warwalkers,vypers,...)
I must be hallucinating

Yeah, except I don't want another 2000 pts army, I prefer to play Smallhammer. I hope GW (and retail) is going to continue selling single small vehicles.


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 Ouze wrote:

Interesting that the plastic farseer is male only.

I think a simple headswap should work fine if you want a female Farseer, the robes are not exactly showing. But anyway, it's another GW's fail, anyone who played DoW expects Farseers to be female.

cough i put a thread up about this in general discussion but i think the link might be appropriate here...

http://www.thecombatcompany.com/whats-happening-with-the-eldar-release/

GW shafting the aussie community just a bit more with eldar..

I think this is where GW and I part company. Everyone has their breaking point and £20.50 for 5 Dire Avengers is mine.

Nice Eldar minis though, particularly the Wraithguard.

One advantage that Dire avenger squads will have over Guardians is that they'll have an exarch and presumably longer range on their shuriken catapults. Why is this a big thing you ask? Exarch and his dire avenger buddies shoot at a squad of tac marines, exarch rolls a 6 to hit on 1 of his shots, (if he can still shoot 4 to 5 shots it would be pretty likely he'll do this a few times a game). Then he can allocate those shots on the Marine sergeant or heavy weapon model and hope you roll a 6 to wound, bam no power armour save for that important model! From the mathhammer he has an 11% chance to do that with 4 shots. So I hope he can still take dual catapults. Haha I can't wait for that to happen for the first time when fighting my friends blood angels!

Ok the pics on Yriel's blog confirm the new FD rules.

It looks like Wraithcannons are now 20< range with S10, AP2. Neat!

Huh, the WK is only $125 AUD... way less than I expected. Still way to expensive, but that's all of GW's stuff

Also, is it just be or is GW actually making mini bundles that save money? (The Squadrons)

Tau release had the 3 crisis suits bundled for a cheaper price, eldar release has 3 eldar-related ones (Vyper, Jetbike and War Walker) + 2 marine (Scout and Marine Bikers) and CSM (Bikers)...
I am actually happily surprised by this release... at least, until I looks at dire avengers

So tempted to make an near-all wraith army right now...

 Popenfresh wrote:
Ok the pics on Yriel's blog confirm the new FD rules.

It looks like Wraithcannons are now 20< range with S10, AP2. Neat!

Can't find anything there about the cannons being S10 AP2. Would be great if it was the case though

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I am actually happily surprised by this release... at least, until I looks at dire avengers

Personally I think the wraithknight is stupid, both the model and the price, and I don't like how expensive the mandatory flyers are becoming for every army, but it sounds to me like GW would have been much better off if they hadn't messed with dire avengers at all. They're just so blatantly fething their customers in the ass it isn't even funny. No one is happy about the price of basic infantry literally doubling, and even people who attempt to defend it are basically resorting to "Well it only screws new players, I.E. the future of the hobby and what will inevitably keep GW and other companies like them afloat, everyone else already has enough dire avengers so who cares? Besides new players won't know any better anyway!", which is no doubt what GW themselves were thinking when they were collectively unzipping their pants. Even if a newer player supposedly didn't know ahead of time that dire avengers got a 100% price increase, does it really take a genius to figure out how bad a deal that will be when he looks at the codex? He'll figure out what everyone else did a long time ago: "Hey, dire avengers are much better than guardians for the points (or at least as good as gakky Eldar troops can get). Looks like the most optimal squad size is ten guys, too...holy gak, I have to spend $70 on one fething troop choice?" And then imagine how much worse it gets when he finds out he needs at least 2000 points worth of models to play a standard game and that no one's willing to play against his half-painted battleforce.

But hey, what does GW care if he sticks with the hobby or not after that, they got his money for that first big purchase and that's all that matters.

So is there any word whether Spiritseer also makes Wraithblades troops, or only Wraithguard? And can you mix different weapons in a Wraithblade squad?

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I am actually happily surprised by this release... at least, until I looks at dire avengers

Personally I think the wraithknight is stupid, both the model and the price, and I don't like how expensive the mandatory flyers are becoming for every army, but it sounds to me like GW would have been much better off if they hadn't messed with dire avengers at all. They're just so blatantly fething their customers in the ass it isn't even funny. No one is happy about the price of basic infantry literally doubling, and even people who attempt to defend it are basically resorting to "Well it only screws new players, I.E. the future of the hobby and what will inevitably keep GW and other companies like them afloat, everyone else already has enough dire avengers so who cares? Besides new players won't know any better anyway!", which is no doubt what GW themselves were thinking when they were collectively unzipping their pants. Even if a newer player supposedly didn't know ahead of time that dire avengers got a 100% price increase, does it really take a genius to figure out how bad a deal that will be when he looks at the codex? He'll figure out what everyone else did a long time ago: "Hey, dire avengers are much better than guardians for the points (or at least as good as gakky Eldar troops can get). Looks like the most optimal squad size is ten guys, too...holy gak, I have to spend $70 on one fething troop choice?" And then imagine how much worse it gets when he finds out he needs at least 2000 points worth of models to play a standard game and that no one's willing to play against his half-painted battleforce.

But hey, what does GW care if he sticks with the hobby or not after that, they got his money for that first big purchase and that's all that matters.

So are you questioning their pricing strategy (which you admit makes sense) or the significant barriers to entry the hobby presents? Because it's the latter which brings satisfaction. Not everything in life has to be cheap and easy. ... if you want instant gratification, go buy a video game. It's an semi-expensive hobby that requires time and effort. Deal with it.

 theharrower wrote:
Downloaded the preview of the Codex on iPad. Not as telling as the High Elf book, but it does have some weapon stats:

Shuriken Catapult 12" S4 AP5 Assault 2, Bladestorm
Shuriken Cannon 24" S6 AP5 Assault 3, Bladestorm

Bladestorm: When a weapon with this special rule rolls a 6 To Wound, the target is wounded automatically and the Wound is resolved at AP2.

This kind of bladestorm would be quite nasty. Toughness would play no role. Against vehicles, I guess it would be S6 or not?


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All this hype about WG. They are meh as troops or not.

Complete Codex preview added further down.

What, the Vyper is now BS 4 ?

 wuestenfux wrote:
What, the Vyper is now BS 4 ?

Well i didn't edit anything so yeah lol why where they only 3 or something before?

cerbrus2 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
What, the Vyper is now BS 4 ?

Well i didn't edit anything so yeah lol why where they only 3 or something before?

Yeah, BS 3 since Guardians are poets and philosophers.
Now Black Guardians seem to drive Vypers.

Whatever happened to the:

Everguard/Warp Spider plastic box?
Cataphracts?
Sky Chariot/Shining Spears plastic box?

Second wave or fallen by the wayside?

Crystal Targeting Matrix is back? O.O

Wait, so what are the exarch powers of the warpspiders now? Are they mentioned further down the page?

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Whatever happened to the:

Everguard/Warp Spider plastic box?
Cataphracts?
Sky Chariot/Shining Spears plastic box?

Second wave or fallen by the wayside?

Or made up rumors....?

So a quiet upgrade to try and boost the utility of Vypers.

I notice they recycled the fluff box for the Vypers. That first appeared in a WD when the Vyper was introduced. Lictor springs for Vyper and gets shredded by shuriken then Vyper flies off into the air.

I presume the House of Ulthanash bit is from the Iyanden supplement. Interesting, but hopefully there will be more meat and background content than just short paragraph blurbs with color schemes. For one thing, how many readers would know who Ulthanash was? (Brother of Eldanesh)

One thing I've been pondering as well is what explanation (if any) there is for the Battle Focus or Battle Trance rules. I know they are meant to make the Eldar more competitive, but the Dark Eldar were described in their Codex as preserving the physical abilities of the ancient Eldar while the Craftworld Eldar preserve the psychic might.

 wuestenfux wrote:

cerbrus2 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
What, the Vyper is now BS 4 ?

Well i didn't edit anything so yeah lol why where they only 3 or something before?

Yeah, BS 3 since Guardians are poets and philosophers.
Now Black Guardians seem to drive Vypers.

Or the pilots finally use some of that fabulous Eldar tech to aim better. Let's hope all the vehicles are BS 4 now.

 Shandara wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

cerbrus2 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
What, the Vyper is now BS 4 ?

Well i didn't edit anything so yeah lol why where they only 3 or something before?

Yeah, BS 3 since Guardians are poets and philosophers.
Now Black Guardians seem to drive Vypers.

Or the pilots finally use some of that fabulous Eldar tech to aim better. Let's hope all the vehicles are BS 4 now.

Fire Prisms were BS 4.
However, the BS upgrade would be rather useful if GW didn't manage to fix the tanks (Serpents are overpriced, holofields are next to useless).

 Popenfresh wrote:
Wait, so what are the exarch powers of the warpspiders now? Are they mentioned further down the page?

They didn't have a complete view for the spiders, that was just the "how to use this section" sample. I'm assuming they will be the same as the actual warp spider profiles though.

Oh hell yes! CTM is back! Everything seems to be shoot and move, this will be great!

Iracundus wrote:
So a quiet upgrade to try and boost the utility of Vypers.

I notice they recycled the fluff box for the Vypers. That first appeared in a WD when the Vyper was introduced. Lictor springs for Vyper and gets shredded by shuriken then Vyper flies off into the air.

I presume the House of Ulthanash bit is from the Iyanden supplement. Interesting, but hopefully there will be more meat and background content than just short paragraph blurbs with color schemes. For one thing, how many readers would know who Ulthanash was? (Brother of Eldanesh)

One thing I've been pondering as well is what explanation (if any) there is for the Battle Focus or Battle Trance rules. I know they are meant to make the Eldar more competitive, but the Dark Eldar were described in their Codex as preserving the physical abilities of the ancient Eldar while the Craftworld Eldar preserve the psychic might.

No the section for House Ulthanash is an actual codex page. I'm assuming its just one out of Many fluff pages for houses and craft worlds.

tedurur wrote:
Oh hell yes! CTM is back! Everything seems to be shoot and move, this will be great!

This will be a pricy upgrade but eventually better than ever since tanks can go down rather quickly these days.

Very blurry on Warp spiders, but my reading of 19 points/model cost seems believable. They are jumps pack infantry (like Tau XV8 or XV25) and combine this with combat focus. They will become one of the most flexible units regarding movement characteristics. For example, you would be able to deep-strike in a safe position, adjust position by rerollable 1D6, shoot STR 6 guns, hide back 2D6. Or move, shoot, reposition 1D6 (rerollable) + 2D6. Average movement 6+4+7 = 17 inches per turn with a strong shooting capability.

The War in Heaven fluff is pretty confusing and contradictory to that in Necons codex. Apparently GW is going with the "long-forgotten war that everyone claims they won and the others lost"-schtick. Hopefully this means they're steering back to the idea of a biased perspective in the codices.

For the dude taking the pics of the iOS stuff - if you press the home button and the lock button at the same time on your fruit based device, it'll take a screenshot and store it in your photos app.

Handy for exactly what you're doing.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Very blurry on Warp spiders, but my reading of 19 points/model cost seems believable. They are jumps pack infantry (like Tau XV8 or XV25) and combine this with combat focus. They will become one of the most flexible units regarding movement characteristics. For example, you would be able to deep-strike in a safe position, adjust position by rerollable 1D6, shoot STR 6 guns, hide back 2D6. Or move, shoot, reposition 1D6 (rerollable) + 2D6. Average movement 6+4+7 = 17 inches per turn with a strong shooting capability.

click on the picks makers it easier to see.

But

Unit comp of 5

19pts per model
exarch upgrade for 10pts

 Popenfresh wrote:
The War in Heaven fluff is pretty confusing and contradictory to that in Necons codex. Apparently GW is going with the "long-forgotten war that everyone claims they won and the others lost"-schtick. Hopefully this means they're steering back to the idea of a biased perspective in the codices.

Not necessarily. The two views are not mutually contradictory.

The Necron Codex says they ceded dominance of the galaxy to the Eldar because they realized that they could not win since they were exhausted from having just overthrown the C'tan, so went to sleep instead. The Eldar could have thought they won when in reality they didn't, at least not as completely as they thought in their pride and arrogance. The Codex preview says there were wars against Necron dynasties so perhaps the ancient Eldar fought some Necron dynasties, won, and thought their victory was complete when the rest of the Necrons vanished. Maybe if the Necrons had stayed and fought, the Eldar might still have won, but that didn't happen. The Necron Codex says some tombs were still destroyed by the Eldar, so the Eldar don't seem to have entirely given up, but with the Necrons apparently gone and tombs being hard to find and/or destroy, the Eldar might have concluded it wasn't worth the trouble to finish off an apparently dormant quiescent foe from the ancient past.

From what the preview suggests, the ancient pre-Fall Eldar were stronger psychically than the Craftworld Eldar, or more free to unleash their full potential without the worry of Slaanesh. The Dark Eldar designer notes from WD and the Dark Eldar Codex showed the Dark Eldar preserved the physical fitness of the ancient Eldar though at the cost of psychic powers. So going from that, the ancient Eldar would have had the stats of Dark Eldar but all would have been psykers.

 Eggs wrote:
For the dude taking the pics of the iOS stuff - if you press the home button and the lock button at the same time on your fruit based device, it'll take a screenshot and store it in your photos app.

Handy for exactly what you're doing.

Thx for the tip. Give me 5 mins I will add the entire Sample. uploading now.

 Vhalyar wrote:

 Popenfresh wrote:
Ok the pics on Yriel's blog confirm the new FD rules.

It looks like Wraithcannons are now 20< range with S10, AP2. Neat!

Can't find anything there about the cannons being S10 AP2. Would be great if it was the case though

Hey guys, thanks for checking out my blog! Wraith weapons are still up in the air though auto-pen/instant-kill on a 6 has been thrown around...

Basically, the WRaithknight has been rumored to have a 20-something inch gun at s10 ap2 and according to GW preorder page for WRaithknight, it comes with a wraith canon on main arm weapons... The regular wraith guard are listed as having a wraith cannon as well for options so put two and two together, either wraith guard have same ranged weapon as WRaithknight (wraithcannon) for option or it is a typo on GW page... Either way, time will tell!

 wuestenfux wrote:

tedurur wrote:
Oh hell yes! CTM is back! Everything seems to be shoot and move, this will be great!

This will be a pricy upgrade but eventually better than ever since tanks can go down rather quickly these days.

It will be 25pts. Well worth it if it works like it used to.

cerbrus2 wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Very blurry on Warp spiders, but my reading of 19 points/model cost seems believable. They are jumps pack infantry (like Tau XV8 or XV25) and combine this with combat focus. They will become one of the most flexible units regarding movement characteristics. For example, you would be able to deep-strike in a safe position, adjust position by rerollable 1D6, shoot STR 6 guns, hide back 2D6. Or move, shoot, reposition 1D6 (rerollable) + 2D6. Average movement 6+4+7 = 17 inches per turn with a strong shooting capability.

click on the picks makers it easier to see.

But

Unit comp of 5

19 pts per model
exarch upgrade for 10pts

LOL Did not spotted it was a clickable vignette !

I should correct my calculation : heavy aspect armoured eldar seem to lose fleet rule, meaning they will lack the 1D6 reroll I put in my estimate.
So 6+3.5+7 = 16.5 inches per turn with shooting at 12".
Still a very flexible unit though.

Codex: Eldar iOS Sample

Thanks for that :-)

That House of Ulthanash page still looks like it is from the Iyanden supplement given how it appears in the ad page for it.

Yea, good thing they don't sell .pdf's ..... that crap would be all over the internet in 5 seconds!

lmao!

Anyway, I agree, much thanks. Looks very nice.

Soooo, thoughts and opinions on the remnants of glory?

I'm guessing the firesaber is the +1str AP3 soul blaze weapon mentioned earlier.

Mantel of the Laughing God is confirmed too. I wonder if these things are IC only or if Exarchs and other units can pick them too.

Iracundus wrote:
That House of Ulthanash page still looks like it is from the Iyanden supplement given how it appears in the ad page for it.

yes your right, about that page, however on the ghosts page they have one there painted as well. but im sure we will fined out soon enough.


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 TalonZahn wrote:
Yea, good thing they don't sell .pdf's ..... that crap would be all over the internet in 5 seconds!

lmao!

Anyway, I agree, much thanks. Looks very nice.

You will be Suprised. Already seen the Sample being Sold on ebay. It was just SCRNS like i did. Only packaged into a PDF and Put on ebay for £5 each. Free delivery though lol.


And yeah it lasted 3 miniuts before the Ban Hammer came down on the seller.

So pumped I picked up that 10 man Dire Avengers box for the minimum bid of $30 on eBay. Where were you guys on that? I won uncontested!

 Sidstyler wrote:
And then imagine how much worse it gets when he finds out he needs at least 2000 points worth of models to play a standard game and that no one's willing to play against his half-painted battleforce.

Just a quick question - is 2000 the average point sized in the States? That seems huge! I generally play 1,000 - 1,500 games.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

Just a quick question - is 2000 the average point sized in the States? That seems huge! I generally play 1,000 - 1,500 games.

I'd say the average for years has been 1500-2000 with 2000 being the most common. With this current edition, I've seen more people playing effectively 1999pts to avoid certain rules though.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
And then imagine how much worse it gets when he finds out he needs at least 2000 points worth of models to play a standard game and that no one's willing to play against his half-painted battleforce.

Just a quick question - is 2000 the average point sized in the States? That seems huge! I generally play 1,000 - 1,500 games.

2000 points is popular because of double FOC. Typically, my group sticks to 1500-1750, but our armies are normally 2500-3000 because we like to field different builds each game. I've personally never enjoyed the whole "Play the same build everytime" method, but understand the need for it from tournament players.

cerbrus2 wrote:
Codex: Eldar iOS Sample

I removed several images that looked like rules and might get complaints from GW.

Thokt wrote:
So pumped I picked up that 10 man Dire Avengers box for the minimum bid of $30 on eBay. Where were you guys on that? I won uncontested!

I have thirty of them..... knock yourself out lol

 Popenfresh wrote:
Soooo, thoughts and opinions on the remnants of glory?

I'm guessing the firesaber is the +1str AP3 soul blaze weapon mentioned earlier.

Mantel of the Laughing God is confirmed too. I wonder if these things are IC only or if Exarchs and other units can pick them too.

Since they are only one per army, I'd say its limited to ICs from the HQ selection only.

Thokt wrote:
So pumped I picked up that 10 man Dire Avengers box for the minimum bid of $30 on eBay. Where were you guys on that? I won uncontested!

Good job man! Already own 20 of them so the price hike doesn't hurt me that badly.

I must admit I really hope the shard of Anaris is just figurative naming for a powerful weapon and not literally a shard from Anaris. What next? The Emperor's Steak Knife for Space Marines? I think god weapons should remain in the realm of background only. I think would have been also more interesting I think if for example Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range.

However given that GW seems to be getting more and more literal these days, I suppose it will be a literal shard of Anaris after all.

Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

Carresuith wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
If anyone buys the LE dex, then I'll be first to tell you you're an idiot for paying $60 for a dust jacket.

This, honestly, was the biggest letdown for me.

I had been planning to eagerly await release, spamming refresh on the GW homepage to get the lowest number I possibly could on the Eldar LE Codex -- especially after how beautiful the Tau one turned out.

Now, I can't even bring myself to do it. It's at least double the price for a mismatched, hastily and poorly-designed dust jacket ... and a book with a couple of placemarker ribbons? Talk about heartbreaking.

Beyond that, I'm surprised everyone keeps complaining about Aspect Warriors not being redone (perhaps with the noted exception of Warp Spiders and Shining Spears). Where we really need resculpts are in Jetbikes, Phoenix Lords, Warlocks, and the Avatar.

After that, it should honestly be Guardians and probably Vypers.

I was actually considering get the LE dex this one time for Eldar as they are the main army I use, but when I saw that you only get a dust jacket and a piece of paper with a number on it I was disappointed. Then you compare the dexs to bigger full colour hard backs at any book store and you realize they are $30 and come with a dust jacket and was printed in Canada, you flip over a GW dex "Made in china" They are paying maybe $5 a book. Bunch of lousy s

Its gouging, pure and simple.

Bharring wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

Well I didn't necessarily mean in the form of a chunk of metal either. Other more weird forms like strange energy rifts or perhaps a particular formation of stars/planets or deep space floating giant artifacts actually being Anaris or fragments of it. We know what Anaris looks like at least in Eldar mythology because Alaitoc's symbol depicts it (Yes it is Khaine's sword but Khaine took it after killing Eldanesh), but there is nothing saying the sword of a warp god must actually take the form of a piece of metal if it took form in the material universe.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So are you questioning their pricing strategy (which you admit makes sense) or the significant barriers to entry the hobby presents? Because it's the latter which brings satisfaction. Not everything in life has to be cheap and easy. ... if you want instant gratification, go buy a video game. It's an semi-expensive hobby that requires time and effort. Deal with it.

Dire Avengers just doubled in price, and your response is "Life wasn't meant to be easy. Deal with it"? Really?

Bharring wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

"And you thought the wraithknight was big..."

By the way I bet that felt like a slap in the face to all the people who actually had the balls to buy riptides. Glad I never did.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So are you questioning their pricing strategy (which you admit makes sense) or the significant barriers to entry the hobby presents? Because it's the latter which brings satisfaction. Not everything in life has to be cheap and easy. ... if you want instant gratification, go buy a video game. It's an semi-expensive hobby that requires time and effort. Deal with it.

Dire Avengers just doubled in price, and your response is "Life wasn't meant to be easy. Deal with it"? Really?

All this talk of the Dire Avenger pricing reminds me of 1984. GW will likely wipe out any official reference to the old box and make it seem like it has always been 5. Then maybe some time in the future after more of those that remember are gone, GW will make an attempt to win popularity from a new generation of gamers by introducing a box of 6 or 7 Dire Avengers at same or slightly higher price and make it sound like the greatest bargain.

 mortetvie wrote:

 Vhalyar wrote:

 Popenfresh wrote:
Ok the pics on Yriel's blog confirm the new FD rules.

It looks like Wraithcannons are now 20< range with S10, AP2. Neat!

Can't find anything there about the cannons being S10 AP2. Would be great if it was the case though

Hey guys, thanks for checking out my blog! Wraith weapons are still up in the air though auto-pen/instant-kill on a 6 has been thrown around...

Basically, the WRaithknight has been rumored to have a 20-something inch gun at s10 ap2 and according to GW preorder page for WRaithknight, it comes with a wraith canon on main arm weapons... The regular wraith guard are listed as having a wraith cannon as well for options so put two and two together, either wraith guard have same ranged weapon as WRaithknight (wraithcannon) for option or it is a typo on GW page... Either way, time will tell!

Is that on the model or the range? because both are possibilities.



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Thokt wrote:
So pumped I picked up that 10 man Dire Avengers box for the minimum bid of $30 on eBay. Where were you guys on that? I won uncontested!

Everyone who plays Eldar already has Dire Avengers.

Iracundus wrote:
All this talk of the Dire Avenger pricing reminds me of 1984. GW will likely wipe out any official reference to the old box and make it seem like it has always been 5. Then maybe some time in the future after more of those that remember are gone, GW will make an attempt to win popularity from a new generation of gamers by introducing a box of 6 or 7 Dire Avengers at same or slightly higher price and make it sound like the greatest bargain.

Worked with the Warwalker Squadron box. Nobody remembers the old squadron box when warwalkers were released and all praise GW now for its first discount (well, if you forget the Crisis Suit box as well that is).

Except we knew the 3 WW box was a splash release.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I am actually happily surprised by this release... at least, until I looks at dire avengers

Personally I think the wraithknight is stupid, both the model and the price, and I don't like how expensive the mandatory flyers are becoming for every army, but it sounds to me like GW would have been much better off if they hadn't messed with dire avengers at all. They're just so blatantly fething their customers in the ass it isn't even funny. No one is happy about the price of basic infantry literally doubling, and even people who attempt to defend it are basically resorting to "Well it only screws new players, I.E. the future of the hobby and what will inevitably keep GW and other companies like them afloat, everyone else already has enough dire avengers so who cares? Besides new players won't know any better anyway!", which is no doubt what GW themselves were thinking when they were collectively unzipping their pants. Even if a newer player supposedly didn't know ahead of time that dire avengers got a 100% price increase, does it really take a genius to figure out how bad a deal that will be when he looks at the codex? He'll figure out what everyone else did a long time ago: "Hey, dire avengers are much better than guardians for the points (or at least as good as gakky Eldar troops can get). Looks like the most optimal squad size is ten guys, too...holy gak, I have to spend $70 on one fething troop choice?" And then imagine how much worse it gets when he finds out he needs at least 2000 points worth of models to play a standard game and that no one's willing to play against his half-painted battleforce.

But hey, what does GW care if he sticks with the hobby or not after that, they got his money for that first big purchase and that's all that matters.

So are you questioning their pricing strategy (which you admit makes sense) or the significant barriers to entry the hobby presents? Because it's the latter which brings satisfaction. Not everything in life has to be cheap and easy. ... if you want instant gratification, go buy a video game. It's an semi-expensive hobby that requires time and effort. Deal with it.

So. . .you're saying there is no problem with the entry costs for a new player? That the cost of the Rules + Codex + Army is not staggering and so does not make entry into the hobby painful and/or prohibitive? $140 for 20 Dire Avengers is just something everyone should accept happily, even when they could've gotten 20 Dire Avengers for $70 the day before?

No I think not. It is new players that drive the business. New players starting up armies. It is new players that the veterans are supposed to recruit into 40K because of the lore and the rules and the look of the armies. But then when that new player realizes what he needs to play the game, it suddenly becomes gut-check time.

I've said it times before and I'll say it again - people are not angry/irritated with GW because they hate GW or their game systems. They are mad because they love their games and want them to thrive so that the games are around for twenty more years and the hobby grows, so that new faces appear at your leagues and at your tournaments.

"Just deal with it." is exactly the attitude that GW has right now. Don't like the fact we shut down your fan-site? Deal with it. Don't like the fact that we gouge prices for different parts of the world? Deal with it. Don't like the fact we sue every Tom, Dick and Harry that comes along and utters the word "Space"? Deal with it.

Or don't. Don't open your wallet. Don't spend $70 on 10 Dire Avengers. The last thing you should have to do, however, is "Just deal with it."

 Kroothawk wrote:
Worked with the Warwalker Squadron box. Nobody remembers the old squadron box when warwalkers were released and all praise GW now for its first discount (well, if you forget the Crisis Suit box as well that is).

There was never an old squadron box nor a previous discount. "Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia"

Bharring wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

I hate to burst your bubble, but we've had mountain-sized units since 2nd edition. They're called Titans.

Just because we didn't have the technology or the feasibility to build large models in the early 90s doesn't mean we should forever limit 40k to tiny metal models.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

Bharring wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

I hate to burst your bubble, but we've had mountain-sized units since 2nd edition. They're called Titans.

Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

Iracundus wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

Bharring wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

I hate to burst your bubble, but we've had mountain-sized units since 2nd edition. They're called Titans.

Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

Yep. Titans are actually much smaller than you would expect. I think there's a size comparison chart somewhere on the forum.

 puma713 wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I am actually happily surprised by this release... at least, until I looks at dire avengers

Personally I think the wraithknight is stupid, both the model and the price, and I don't like how expensive the mandatory flyers are becoming for every army, but it sounds to me like GW would have been much better off if they hadn't messed with dire avengers at all. They're just so blatantly fething their customers in the ass it isn't even funny. No one is happy about the price of basic infantry literally doubling, and even people who attempt to defend it are basically resorting to "Well it only screws new players, I.E. the future of the hobby and what will inevitably keep GW and other companies like them afloat, everyone else already has enough dire avengers so who cares? Besides new players won't know any better anyway!", which is no doubt what GW themselves were thinking when they were collectively unzipping their pants. Even if a newer player supposedly didn't know ahead of time that dire avengers got a 100% price increase, does it really take a genius to figure out how bad a deal that will be when he looks at the codex? He'll figure out what everyone else did a long time ago: "Hey, dire avengers are much better than guardians for the points (or at least as good as gakky Eldar troops can get). Looks like the most optimal squad size is ten guys, too...holy gak, I have to spend $70 on one fething troop choice?" And then imagine how much worse it gets when he finds out he needs at least 2000 points worth of models to play a standard game and that no one's willing to play against his half-painted battleforce.

But hey, what does GW care if he sticks with the hobby or not after that, they got his money for that first big purchase and that's all that matters.

So are you questioning their pricing strategy (which you admit makes sense) or the significant barriers to entry the hobby presents? Because it's the latter which brings satisfaction. Not everything in life has to be cheap and easy. ... if you want instant gratification, go buy a video game. It's an semi-expensive hobby that requires time and effort. Deal with it.

So. . .you're saying there is no problem with the entry costs for a new player? That the cost of the Rules + Codex + Army is not staggering and so does not make entry into the hobby painful and/or prohibitive? $140 for 20 Dire Avengers is just something everyone should accept happily, even when they could've gotten 20 Dire Avengers for $70 the day before?

No I think not. It is new players that drive the business. New players starting up armies. It is new players that the veterans are supposed to recruit into 40K because of the lore and the rules and the look of the armies. But then when that new player realizes what he needs to play the game, it suddenly becomes gut-check time.

I've said it times before and I'll say it again - people are not angry/irritated with GW because they hate GW or their game systems. They are mad because they love their games and want them to thrive so that the games are around for twenty more years and the hobby grows, so that new faces appear at your leagues and at your tournaments.

"Just deal with it." is exactly the attitude that GW has right now. Don't like the fact we shut down your fan-site? Deal with it. Don't like the fact that we gouge prices for different parts of the world? Deal with it. Don't like the fact we sue every Tom, Dick and Harry that comes along and utters the word "Space"? Deal with it.

Or don't. Don't open your wallet. Don't spend $70 on 10 Dire Avengers. The last thing you should have to do, however, is "Just deal with it."

There are many ways to get into this hobby, and buying full retail from GW is only one poor path. Picking up a second hand army for dirt cheap is another, as is poring over third-party models and creating the perfect themed list. Discount retailers also exist, and are extremely easy to use. It's a hobby that takes dedication and planning- and a new player will get into it if the dedication exists, regardless of GW's prices.

My 'Deal with it' was in reference to the Hobby being semi-expensive (because most real hobbies are far, far more expensive) and requiring time and effort. No amount of ranting on Dakka is going to change GW's price policies, so you might as well accept it.



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Iracundus wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

Bharring wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

I hate to burst your bubble, but we've had mountain-sized units since 2nd edition. They're called Titans.

Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

Are we talking tabletop scale, or real-life-scale, or just the hyperbolic scale the OP used? because I was talking about the latter.

The actual pattern, if you're including Titans in "regular play" so-to-speak, would have to be of third order or higher at least. As one meaning of 'hyperbolic' allows for only one inflection point, and the other implies a never-negative derivitive, neither fits the curve. Therefore, the growth over time could not be said to be 'Hyperbolic'.

(gonna stop nerding out now)

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
My 'Deal with it' was in reference to the Hobby being semi-expensive (because most real hobbies are far, far more expensive) and requiring time and effort.

Good of you to work in that bit of snide judgement, just to complete your post. So any of the many, many hobbies out there that cost less just aren't real hobbies, are they?

No amount of ranting on Dakka is going to change GW's price policies, so you might as well accept it.

Whether or not any amount of ranting on Dakka will change GW's policies remains to be seen. I for one think you're right, but only because GW is managed by a corporate board who are content to drive the company into the ground as long as they can get their golden parachutes just before the end. But your "so you might as well accept it" comment is flat out wrong. This is a discussion board. The purpose of being here is to discuss, and many of us think that the prices on these new Eldar (especially the increase in price on Dire Avengers without an attendant increase in the value of the model) are insulting and obscene. We have every right to complain. And since this is news, it's also relevant.

The Wraithknight price is kind of insane. But the currency conversions still make me cry.

With today's exchange rates, 70 GBP equals:

$105 US (US price $115)
$110 AUS (AUS price $125)
$109 Cdn (Cdn price $140)

$115 US equals $119 Cdn. So Canada is officially the new red headed step child of GW. Congrats Australia, you're no longer the bottom of the heap!

I neeeeeeeeed to see a Wraith knight in person, I really do, too hungover to pick up the WD. Will get it tomorrow and check out all the goodness.

I can just see 2 months time.

"You thought the WraithKnight was big?! Adeptus Mechanicus Knight Paladin, only £120."

All I know is I am REALLY excited that the Aspects appear to be getting back in line witht eh2nd ed rules set!!!
YYYEEEAAAAHHH!!

I am sure this has been posted already, but Vypers are BS 4, everything else looks the same. Don't know about points though.

Yea, the rules are going to be the big deal now. If they can remove the need for Eldrad + Farseer for the HQ, allow aspects other than dragons and avengers to have a chance, and allow the Eldar to actually be a mobile force again I'll be happy.

I really want to run my striking scorpion shrine again. It's never been viable, but it's been useless for a decade or more now.

Any word on vehicles being able to shoot on the move...i.e.

Move 6", fire weapons, move 6" again?

Id bring my Falcons out of retirement if that was an ability!!

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Any word on vehicles being able to shoot on the move...i.e.

Move 6", fire weapons, move 6" again?

Id bring my Falcons out of retirement if that was an ability!!

There is something called a crystal targeting matrix which is the most expensive vehicle upgrade at 25 pts, not sure what it does though.

Iracundus wrote:
Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

Most of them are building sized

 Compel wrote:
I can just see 2 months time.

"You thought the WraithKnight was big?! Adeptus Mechanicus Knight Paladin, only £120."

But that would be a good thing in a way (no really, bear with me), because it'd presumably mean an AdMech Codex was coming out.

Anyway, I wonder if this ongoing escalation of big centrepiece units is building up to a new version of Apocalypse. Now I'm trying to guess what giant models other armies will get. Plastic Megadreads perhaps?

That sounds promising!!!

The Crystal targeting matrix was available in 2nd ed as vehicle upgrade cards out of an issue of White Dwarf.

I think im getting sick here at work **cough** **cough** i might just have to go home.....

Anyone notice that in those sample pages, warlocks ae being referred to as Farseers? Probably a mistake, these new codecs have very poor quality control and are filled with errors. Still suck if warlocks didn't exist anymore though.

That's sorta what I was meaning...

Rumours have it that the next 40k thing coming out after Eldar is an updated Apocalypse... Knight Paladins being the big release for it, with extra spikey bits to make a chaos version.

That's sorta what I was meaning...

Rumours have it that the next 40k thing coming out after Eldar is an updated Apocalypse... Knight Paladins being the big release for it, with extra spikey bits to make a chaos version.

 RunningWithScissors49 wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

Most of them are building sized

Spoiler:

What you have there is an excellent example of someone who doesn't understand scale. Imperator and Warmonger Titans are the biggest titans, clocking in at around 60 meters, which is, again, building-sized.

 Kohala wrote:

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Any word on vehicles being able to shoot on the move...i.e.

Move 6", fire weapons, move 6" again?

Id bring my Falcons out of retirement if that was an ability!!

There is something called a crystal targeting matrix which is the most expensive vehicle upgrade at 25 pts, not sure what it does though.

What it used to do was allow you to move shoot and move again in the movement phase

Well here is someone with big balls....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Limited-edition-Eldar-codex-New-for-2013-/290921316821?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item43bc4301d5

The LE codex is STILL in stock yet he/she is selling it for almost twice its price.

 RunningWithScissors49 wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

Most of them are building sized

Spoiler:

Even using the 'sliding scale' of big things in 40k, I don't think that's more than a few hundred meters high, which is shorter than plenty of modern-day buildings.

On the other hand, it turns out that 'mountain sized' isn't always that impressive:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Wycheproof

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
cough i put a thread up about this in general discussion but i think the link might be appropriate here...

http://www.thecombatcompany.com/whats-happening-with-the-eldar-release/

GW shafting the aussie community just a bit more with eldar..

Good for them. More companies/customers need to stand up to GW. Hopefully some good comes of it.

 The Spiritseer wrote:
Well here is someone with big balls....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Limited-edition-Eldar-codex-New-for-2013-/290921316821?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item43bc4301d5

The LE codex is STILL in stock yet he/she is selling it for almost twice its price.

I wanna see who is gonna pay this price for it!

Nocturnus wrote:

Good for them. More companies/customers need to stand up to GW. Hopefully some good comes of it.

"We’ve had enough. We’re looking into legal action against GW on the grounds of uncompetitive business practices, blatantly establishing a monopoly on the market and, consequently, forcing customers to deal directly with GW."

I hope other store chains get into this as well.

Is the new WD out yet? I'd like to see some of this stuff in person.

 Harriticus wrote:
Anyone notice that in those sample pages, warlocks ae being referred to as Farseers? Probably a mistake, these new codecs have very poor quality control and are filled with errors. Still suck if warlocks didn't exist anymore though.

Yeah I saw that. I was just guessing they had the same train of thought as I do with proxying " and these extra farseers are warlocks" and "well I really like this warlock model so for this 500pt game, that's a farseer"

 Kroothawk wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
All this talk of the Dire Avenger pricing reminds me of 1984. GW will likely wipe out any official reference to the old box and make it seem like it has always been 5. Then maybe some time in the future after more of those that remember are gone, GW will make an attempt to win popularity from a new generation of gamers by introducing a box of 6 or 7 Dire Avengers at same or slightly higher price and make it sound like the greatest bargain.

Worked with the Warwalker Squadron box. Nobody remembers the old squadron box when warwalkers were released and all praise GW now for its first discount (well, if you forget the Crisis Suit box as well that is).

You mean this box set? I still have a box in shrinkwrap lol...On top of 10 additional War Walkers =(. I also had the Apocalypse Windrider host that had a ton of Jetbikes/Vypers but broke down, opened it up and put it all together so now I have like 30 GJB and 12ish Vypers.

Perfect Organism wrote:

 RunningWithScissors49 wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

Most of them are building sized

Spoiler:

Even using the 'sliding scale' of big things in 40k, I don't think that's more than a few hundred meters high, which is shorter than plenty of modern-day buildings.

There's the wreck of a building just to the left on the other board, but by modern day buildings I guess you mean flats (apartments)

Dire Avengers now 5 a box for £20 UK? Wow, can see the way prices are going for Games Workshop now.

I just picked up a Dire Avengers box for £22 because it was a 10man box, seemed a good idea at the time, even though I haven't even decided if I will be fielding Eldar again.

So no word on improvements to guardians or DA weapon options. Or are we confirmed to still have the worst troops in the game and will have to rely on allies to even have a hope of scoring objectives?

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So no word on improvements to guardians or DA weapon options. Or are we confirmed to still have the worst troops in the game and will have to rely on allies to even have a hope of scoring objectives?

Woah, best pump your brakes, kid. There are Rangers, Wraithguard, Jetbikes, Dire Avengers, and Guardians. Plenty of variety. Battle Driven allows for run and shooting shenanigans. Guardians are only a point more than Guardsmen and their gun, on a roll of a 6 counts as AP2.

Wraithguard are pretty durable especially with how Warlocks getting conceal as their primaris.


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 Mkvenner wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So no word on improvements to guardians or DA weapon options. Or are we confirmed to still have the worst troops in the game and will have to rely on allies to even have a hope of scoring objectives?

Woah, best pump your brakes, kid. There are Rangers, Wraithguard, Jetbikes, Dire Avengers, and Guardians. Plenty of variety. Battle Driven allows for run and shooting shenanigans. Guardians are only a point more than Guardsmen and their gun, on a roll of a 6 counts as AP2.

Wraithguard are pretty durable especially with how Warlocks getting conceal as their primaris.


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Wraithguard aren't troops anymore and I don't like to be forced an HQ slot every game for overpriced troops. I don't know if jet bikes are troops or not anymore, but that matters little as I refuse to buy them at all after seeing that concept sculpt. Run/shoot shoot/run matters little when troops have BS 3 and a 12" range. And anything that happens only on a 6 is worthless (except gauss and that's only because of poorly thought out numbers of HP per vehicle). Not to mention its super likely that its still ONE heavy weapon per no matter how many guardians you take. So to me it looks like the reason for Tau and Dark Eldar being their battle Brothers is clear. It's where you'll pull effective troops from, ones that can actually shoot and survive and have some options.

Anyone fancy buying a Box of 10 Dire Avengers before they become boxes of 5 for £2.50 less ?

Jetbikes are troops.
Spiritseer unlocks WG.
I think the new Shuriken Catapult has made all troops good, but the Guardians really stand out for me. Cheap and can gun down loads in large numbers. Can also hold objectives.

Puscifer wrote:
Jetbikes are troops.
Spiritseer unlocks WG.
I think the new Shuriken Catapult has made all troops good, but the Guardians really stand out for me. Cheap and can gun down loads in large numbers. Can also hold objectives.

At 12" range (for guardians), they aren't so hot.

Even with run+shoot.. You'll still only get it off once before getting shredded in combat.

Guardians will be what they always were in 5th, backfield objective holders. The bladestorm isn't much of a deterrent to assault based armies.

Anyone else notice that the current warlock models are listed as farseers in the pictures on pg 116 of this thread? Surely warlocks aren't gone? Have we had confirmation that they are in the new dex? Unless there are going to be different tiers of farseer like there used to be for warlocks with champions and masters. Or maybe its a typo?

Bladestorm on SC is awesome though, makes them even more versatile.

Also any word on whether Spiritseers are actually HQ's or if they're a Warlock upgrade, same as now?

Well from that one pic you can see that either spirtseers, warlocks or both have 2 wounds.


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 Tyranid Horde wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
Jetbikes are troops.
Spiritseer unlocks WG.
I think the new Shuriken Catapult has made all troops good, but the Guardians really stand out for me. Cheap and can gun down loads in large numbers. Can also hold objectives.

At 12" range (for guardians), they aren't so hot.

It does however make Shuriken cannons much deadlier, especially against T7 and 8

 Shandara wrote:
Even with run+shoot.. You'll still only get it off once before getting shredded in combat.

So then make sure you kill whatever you shoot at or have another unit like Harlequins/wraithguard/scorpions in front that can take a charge?

Maybe even a unit with hit an run (or a unit with Baron from DE) so you can get out of combat and shoot again?

Mr.Church13 wrote:

Wraithguard aren't troops anymore and I don't like to be forced an HQ slot every game for overpriced troops. I don't know if jet bikes are troops or not anymore, but that matters little as I refuse to buy them at all after seeing that concept sculpt. Run/shoot shoot/run matters little when troops have BS 3 and a 12" range. And anything that happens only on a 6 is worthless (except gauss and that's only because of poorly thought out numbers of HP per vehicle). Not to mention its super likely that its still ONE heavy weapon per no matter how many guardians you take. So to me it looks like the reason for Tau and Dark Eldar being their battle Brothers is clear. It's where you'll pull effective troops from, ones that can actually shoot and survive and have some options.

Wraithguard can be troops and don't have to be bought in big 10 GhostWarrior blocks. Limiting yourself because you can not take a generic HQ is your own choice. I prefer it than having to pay for a special character with a fixed point cost that can be well into 200pts.

Jetbikes are good. Just use the DE Jetbikes, swap out the riders, and fill in the front plate, or rather just get the CE bikes and swap out bits for Guardians/Dire Avengers.

Tau Empire seem to be the better battle brother option. Though there is a case made for the Dark Eldar units since they can take the swift Raiders and powerful Venoms.

Taking allies to shore up apparent weakness in codices has been done to every book since 6th edition started. So it's no surprise that you want to get the most out of your codex as possible by taking allies. I'd like to try them without allies first so I can get a feel for what the real weaknesses are in the new book. Once that is figured out I will see if I can use different options within the codex and then resort to allies.

I'm more worried about the Aspect Warriors than I am about our Troops options.

I'll take 6pt Guardians. All of the special rules that come with them are icing on the cake. Just don't expect Guardians to win battles for you. They need support just like every other unit in the codex.

I cant ever justify paying £70 for a piece of plastic. No WK for me :(

is the wraithcannon still 2+ wound 6 autokill and vs vehicles 3-4 glance 5-6 Pen?

So do guardians have a confirmed pts cost?

 dude163 wrote:
is the wraithcannon still 2+ wound 6 autokill and vs vehicles 3-4 glance 5-6 Pen?

Rumor says it's now str10, AP2 and might have an increased range of 20<. Though that might just be for the WK wraithcannon in case it's different from the guard variant.

Is it better to pre-order stuff or buy the codex first in you guys' opinion?

Pre-order the codex, and if you want, get what is cool. I got the flyer, as its pretty much mandatory for my meta.

KaiyaA wrote:
Is it better to pre-order stuff or buy the codex first in you guys' opinion?

Codex for sure.

Unless you want to end up with three boxes of Warp Talons, and a box of Mutilators (You don't)

Take your time to evaluate the units in the codex, so you don't end up wasting money on terrible units.

Pre-ordering is all well and good if what matters to you is being first on the block to field it, or if you already KNOW that you're going to make use of the unit.

Well, I bought a box of DA for £22 before they change the pack.
I think the growth of my Eldar army is going to be slow. I don't have the money for these kind of prices and I want to wait for a bit and see if there is a second wave before I buy too much stuff. But that's ok, I love my DE so I'm fine slowly incorporating more allies.

Yeah codex is definitely a must, since no matter how crappy the planes or WK might be you will definitely use the codex.

Wow. A lot of advice very quickly. So I'm probably going to pre-order the codex and some small things, not going to spend too much money on something that ends up lacking in the stats department. Thanks

I pretty much went with codex, cards,Farseer (like I don't already have a ton of those, but then I play Ulthwe), the two new characters, and the plane. I'm confident enough that the plane will be an effective aerial superiority platform to get it right off.

That, and I like planes.

"I like planes" As good a reason as any I've heard!

I really went to town...
One Wraithknight, two planes, two boxes of Wraithguards, a new farseer, the cards and the Codex... I'm sooooo poor now and I really hope some of these units are good.
But to be honest, I got the WK and the flyers mostly for the look of them. And I've always wanted to field a unit of WG ^^

...got 25% off and the £ isn't really that strong atm. that helped