I don't feel I contribute much at all to this thread (in fact I really just come here to ask stupid questions that I'm not finding the answers to because I'm not looking in the right places), but I was wondering if anyone saw anything about allegiance abilities for the various cities and whether or not they would still be usable. I've been considering putting together an Anvilgard army based around the boxed set and was wondering if there would be new allegiance abilities for the cities, or If it would still be possible to use the old ones. Thanks in advance for any clarification!
Sabotage! wrote: I don't feel I contribute much at all to this thread (in fact I really just come here to ask stupid questions that I'm not finding the answers to because I'm not looking in the right places), but I was wondering if anyone saw anything about allegiance abilities for the various cities and whether or not they would still be usable. I've been considering putting together an Anvilgard army based around the boxed set and was wondering if there would be new allegiance abilities for the cities, or If it would still be possible to use the old ones. Thanks in advance for any clarification!
I haven't seen anything mentioning them, so I would assume they would work the same way they do now; you must take generic Order allegiance to utilize them.
Sabotage! wrote: I don't feel I contribute much at all to this thread (in fact I really just come here to ask stupid questions that I'm not finding the answers to because I'm not looking in the right places), but I was wondering if anyone saw anything about allegiance abilities for the various cities and whether or not they would still be usable. I've been considering putting together an Anvilgard army based around the boxed set and was wondering if there would be new allegiance abilities for the cities, or If it would still be possible to use the old ones. Thanks in advance for any clarification!
I haven't seen anything mentioning them, so I would assume they would work the same way they do now; you must take generic Order allegiance to utilize them.
Cool, good to know! I'll probably pick up the boxed set in the next week or so then.
Manfred von Drakken wrote: So, I'm just gonna stick Morathi MkI behind one of these things and dare people to shoot her at a -3...
Unless I missed an article...Cover still only grants a bonus to your save, not a negative to your being hit.
Also it wouldn't work if you're fishing for a "Look Out Sir!" in addition to her Enchanting Beauty rule, since it's not a unit of 3 or more models.
And it's kind of a silly chance to take since you could get stuck going first and the other play would then get to have the Gravetide chomp down on her.
I will say, I'm waiting to hear back on this but if all of these "Fly" spells can be affected by the Ritual of the Tempest from the Idoneth...things are going to get interesting.
A little late but just take Khailebron temple for the army and put a couple models next to Morathi and this thing for -3 to hit in the shooting phase and 3+ save.
And a cauldron of blood for even more good measure...
Price confirmed on WarCom. Soul Wars will be the same price a Dark Imperium. Spells are the price of a Start Collecting kit. GHB is the same price as the last two.
That's an amazing deal in terms of how many models and the book you get for $160 US.
I'm just gonna sell of the stormcast side and paint me some spirits. I'm just worried the multi-part plastic kits will be an arm and a leg later... It's Death Guard all over again but I can't help it.
That's a big pre order list for next week But they are all going to be on the shelves for a few years yet so no need to rush out and get everything in one go.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Nice, that is a good looking book. Hoping in the future they'll make a special version of the Stormcast on the front, ala Veridyan and Slambo.
Ideally not quite like Veridyan and Slambo. She's a Sigmarine. It wouldn't be unrealistic to get her in plastic.
I have no particular problem with the resin Veridyan and Slambo came in. They're both in a cabinet right now and don't have any issues. But it's just an idle hope for the future as I like that Stormcast image.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Nice, that is a good looking book. Hoping in the future they'll make a special version of the Stormcast on the front, ala Veridyan and Slambo.
She’s basically the prime from the easy build set.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Nice, that is a good looking book. Hoping in the future they'll make a special version of the Stormcast on the front, ala Veridyan and Slambo.
She’s basically the prime from the easy build set.
That's actually meant to be just a normal Sequitor. The big box comes with 2 Primes(one with the 2h weapon, one with shield+weapon).
You get 8 Sequitors in the Soul Wars box. The easy build comes with 3.
I've been getting the impression that the unhelmeted, 'casual' Sequitor is just meant to be a good way for someone to practice painting or have a cool display model since it otherwise puts you at 11 models(a weird number for anything but Open Play).
Glancing over things, it seems skirmish is still a separate thing. Darn.
On the other hand, I'm liking the looks of this book. The beastclaw art is getting me nostalgic for painting Mournfangs and starting another Ogre army though...
This isn't new. The description on a warscroll is for Open Play. The Match Play profile is wear you'll see unit minimums and maximums. We may very well pay per model in this edition, but don't read too much into the warscroll unit description.
Warscrolls do have model limits, but the ones in the starter sets are normally 'any number of models' so you can play with the contents of the box as you build it.
It depends on the unit. The Bloodreavers were always "10 or more models". Like Kan and I are saying, the description on the warscroll and the match play profile don't always match, and you shouldn't put too much stock in the warscroll description having an effect on the match play profile.
Honestly barring a surprise new model release I can't see them getting any attention for a while. GW still has a lot of Aelf factions to tidy up with new Battletomes.
Best Seraphon / Lizardmen fluff since the End Times' Exodus IMO !
That is a lot of new fluff. Potential ret-cons of the battletome too.
Absolutely (well, new fluff but based on the Space ship idea from the Battletome and the "Exodus" End Times fluff, and the old WFB 8th fluff of High tech lizards).
We'll see in the fluff part of the Core Book if there is other changes to the Seraphon !
(Note that AOS2 has already some ret-cons : like this one on the attachment, ignoring the "memey" tone...)
The sprue on top looks like it's already been sprayed. It's purple and white. I've never seen GW use two different colors of plastic on a single sprue.
Yeah figures, looking over the pic they do seem to have lots of guide holes so they may not be snap-fit, but real easy to put together at least.
Its cool stuff from GW, snap-fit may not always be great for conversion fodder, but for anyone looking to have a starter set (and accessories) assembled and
playing within a couple of hours its amazing, really hope they keep pushing it with future sets.
Either way I'm really after as many of those female stormcast as I can get, hopefully I'll be able to snap-up some on eBay.
Best Seraphon / Lizardmen fluff since the End Times' Exodus IMO !
That is a lot of new fluff. Potential ret-cons of the battletome too.
Absolutely (well, new fluff but based on the Space ship idea from the Battletome and the "Exodus" End Times fluff, and the old WFB 8th fluff of High tech lizards).
We'll see in the fluff part of the Core Book if there is other changes to the Seraphon !
(Note that AOS2 has already some ret-cons : like this one on the attachment, ignoring the "memey" tone...)
The space ships aren't new, but the description of the interior and the sense of scale is. Also insight into relationships between different types of Seraphon, and the whole thing with spawning pools is both new and a potential retcon. I say potential because while Seraphon have been "remembered into existence" the nature of it or how they take shape has never been hinted at. And we knew previously that they hung out on the ships between battles.
And in before complaints of sci fi in AoS; it's Old One tech, which has always been super advanced. Note that the Old Ones in 40k (the race who created the Eldar and Orks) started off as literally the same Old Ones from WHFB.
As for the map, without being able to see it myself up close I'd be hesitant to say ret con yet. The map on the left is much more zoomed in; on the larger map relatively tiny details would naturally be left out. Also keep in mind when looking at the maps that it's been centuries and given the nature of chaos (and the setting) it's entirely plausible for the land to have shifted as it has been purified/remained corrupted. Vast swaths of land could have been pulled/pushed into or from the realm of chaos entirely.
Wow that picture Inquisitor Guidion shown what a difference. I mean we can see how Kirby took Age of Sigmar as a joke and lackluster work to what Mr Roundtree taking AoS2.0 very serious.
I always thought of the map on the left as more of an artistic interpretation rather than an attempt at an actual map. Sort of the AoS equivalent of this
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Unfortunately it's just a pic and not my stuff. It's not listed as easy to build, so i would assume not. On a side note, i approve of avatar Cio.
Davor wrote: Wow that picture Inquisitor Guidion shown what a difference. I mean we can see how Kirby took Age of Sigmar as a joke and lackluster work to what Mr Roundtree taking AoS2.0 very serious.
If we could spoiler images of that size...
At any rate, it's not a matter of attitude in this case. The map on the left was for the purposes of a story arc that took place in a very specific region. Putting out a huge map of the realm where the land in that campaign was a tiny spot would have been a joke, not the other way around.
Davor wrote: Wow that picture Inquisitor Guidion shown what a difference. I mean we can see how Kirby took Age of Sigmar as a joke and lackluster work to what Mr Roundtree taking AoS2.0 very serious.
If we could spoiler images of that size...
At any rate, it's not a matter of attitude in this case. The map on the left was for the purposes of a story arc that took place in a very specific region. Putting out a huge map of the realm where the land in that campaign was a tiny spot would have been a joke, not the other way around.
Well, I can guarantee you it's a retcon, because the fluff from the Core Book and Realmgate Wars : Godebeasts are totally contradictory in terms of where the Brimstone Peninsula is.
- In Godbeasts it's in a subrealm called the Ashlands (quite cartoony indeed) ;
- In the Core Book (and well, every other fluffs bits like Firestorm or the Stormcast Battletome) it's south of the expanse of continents called the Great Parch (on the Khul's Ravage continent).
I really like the new AOS fluff as it fills lots of blank spaces in the story and world building of AOS, plus it gives consistent informations (at last !) like the names of all members of Hammerhal government, or the names of all 9 Gaunt Summoners, or talk directly about Malerion and Morathi secret business with Slaanesh, or tells us clearly how the Seraphon come into being, etc.
That story has made me a happy writer. Now the budding Seraphon Fluff can be fleshed out in truth.
Hoping for more stories about them, and maybe a new battletome since every single one of our battlescrolls needs to be edited. Course, that could just be done in the app....
Best Seraphon / Lizardmen fluff since the End Times' Exodus IMO !
Eh, seraphon bits are nice, but the rest of the story is just more Nagash wankin' (apparently stars are alive or something in this universe instead of being, you know, very dead™ gas if Nagash's plot sue powers can affect them). Also, this story just raises the question why Seraphon missed the phone call or something for Malign Portents if they are so observant and just what good striking after the pyramid plot was done and dusted will do. And that is if the next story won't consist of seraphon army just keeling over and dying the second even a single undead looks at them sternly like literally every other MP story so far...
Davor wrote: Wow that picture Inquisitor Guidion shown what a difference. I mean we can see how Kirby took Age of Sigmar as a joke and lackluster work to what Mr Roundtree taking AoS2.0 very serious.
If we could spoiler images of that size...
At any rate, it's not a matter of attitude in this case. The map on the left was for the purposes of a story arc that took place in a very specific region. Putting out a huge map of the realm where the land in that campaign was a tiny spot would have been a joke, not the other way around.
Well, I can guarantee you it's a retcon, because the fluff from the Core Book and Realmgate Wars : Godebeasts are totally contradictory in terms of where the Brimstone Peninsula is.
- In Godbeasts it's in a subrealm called the Ashlands (quite cartoony indeed) ;
- In the Core Book (and well, every other fluffs bits like Firestorm or the Stormcast Battletome) it's south of the expanse of continents called the Great Parch (on the Khul's Ravage continent).
I really like the new AOS fluff as it fills lots of blank spaces in the story and world building of AOS, plus it gives consistent informations (at last !) like the names of all members of Hammerhal government, or the names of all 9 Gaunt Summoners, or talk directly about Malerion and Morathi secret business with Slaanesh, or tells us clearly how the Seraphon come into being, etc.
I don't get what your saying; neither of those tidbits are contradictory to each other or what we've seen. Nor do I see where the 'quite cartoony indeed' comes in. There may very well be a retcon but we can't confirm that with what we have now.
Trust me there is some downright silly (even by warhammer standards) stuff in the realmgate wars novels, but the maps aren't it.
Davor wrote: Wow that picture Inquisitor Guidion shown what a difference. I mean we can see how Kirby took Age of Sigmar as a joke and lackluster work to what Mr Roundtree taking AoS2.0 very serious.
If we could spoiler images of that size...
At any rate, it's not a matter of attitude in this case. The map on the left was for the purposes of a story arc that took place in a very specific region. Putting out a huge map of the realm where the land in that campaign was a tiny spot would have been a joke, not the other way around.
Well, I can guarantee you it's a retcon, because the fluff from the Core Book and Realmgate Wars : Godebeasts are totally contradictory in terms of where the Brimstone Peninsula is.
- In Godbeasts it's in a subrealm called the Ashlands (quite cartoony indeed) ;
- In the Core Book (and well, every other fluffs bits like Firestorm or the Stormcast Battletome) it's south of the expanse of continents called the Great Parch (on the Khul's Ravage continent).
I really like the new AOS fluff as it fills lots of blank spaces in the story and world building of AOS, plus it gives consistent informations (at last !) like the names of all members of Hammerhal government, or the names of all 9 Gaunt Summoners, or talk directly about Malerion and Morathi secret business with Slaanesh, or tells us clearly how the Seraphon come into being, etc.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the realmgate wars take place a few thousand years before where AoS currently is? And is the idea of realms changing in size still a thing? Maybe that could explain why that's the case? Subrealms coming into and out of existence?
Several hundred years. The Realmgate Wars were covered by the initial campaign books the first year of AoS. They don't seem intent on producing them again so I'm guessing they didn't sell well.
Davor wrote: Wow that picture Inquisitor Guidion shown what a difference. I mean we can see how Kirby took Age of Sigmar as a joke and lackluster work to what Mr Roundtree taking AoS2.0 very serious.
If we could spoiler images of that size...
At any rate, it's not a matter of attitude in this case. The map on the left was for the purposes of a story arc that took place in a very specific region. Putting out a huge map of the realm where the land in that campaign was a tiny spot would have been a joke, not the other way around.
Well, I can guarantee you it's a retcon, because the fluff from the Core Book and Realmgate Wars : Godebeasts are totally contradictory in terms of where the Brimstone Peninsula is.
- In Godbeasts it's in a subrealm called the Ashlands (quite cartoony indeed) ;
- In the Core Book (and well, every other fluffs bits like Firestorm or the Stormcast Battletome) it's south of the expanse of continents called the Great Parch (on the Khul's Ravage continent).
I really like the new AOS fluff as it fills lots of blank spaces in the story and world building of AOS, plus it gives consistent informations (at last !) like the names of all members of Hammerhal government, or the names of all 9 Gaunt Summoners, or talk directly about Malerion and Morathi secret business with Slaanesh, or tells us clearly how the Seraphon come into being, etc.
I don't get what your saying; neither of those tidbits are contradictory to each other or what we've seen. Nor do I see where the 'quite cartoony indeed' comes in. There may very well be a retcon but we can't confirm that with what we have now.
Trust me there is some downright silly (even by warhammer standards) stuff in the realmgate wars novels, but the maps aren't it.
120 years, not much, between the opening of the Gates of Azyr and the current Status Quo (Time Of Tribulation) : from Josh Reynolds novel "Spear of Shadow". Other GW fluff (about the Free Cities mostly) talk about "many decades" between the end of the Realmgate Wars, the foundation of the Seeds of Hope and the current status quo.
The map and description I'm referring to are from the main Studio book, the Realmgate Wars : Godbeasts (pages 17 to 22), not the novels.
It describes the region around the Brimstone Peninsula in details : it's the Ashlands and the Flameworld of Aqshy ; and yeah the description and the map are somewhat "cartoony" ; bright color, little shapes, etc. - I mean in comparison to the 2016 (and later) maps we got, like the one in the KO or SCE Battletomes.
The map of the Great Parch from the new Core Book is in total contradiction with the above : we learn that the Brimstone Peninsula is south of the Kul's Ravage continent (it would fit the fluff concerning that part of the Realmgate Wars, i.e. that Aqshy and the Peninsula was subjugated by the Goretide, but would invalidate the notion of it being in another place of the Realm like "the Ahslands").
I mean we have 2 maps of wider places, each containing the same Brimstone Peninsula. It's a proper retcon.
14 hours ago, Glaurung said:
Read the GH2018
Almost nothing changed for FEC.
Tzeentch got hammered, Greater demon now costs 380 and gaunt 160.
LoN are the same, a part for bloodknights that are going down.
2 hours ago, Glaurung said:
Only for that shooting phase.
Gaunt is 180 I think, and Horrors went up to 200 per 10
blood knights I don’t remember, more than 200, maybe 220, I’m sorry but I didn’ t have much time to read it all
14 hours ago, Glaurung said:
Read the GH2018
Almost nothing changed for FEC.
Tzeentch got hammered, Greater demon now costs 380 and gaunt 160.
LoN are the same, a part for bloodknights that are going down.
2 hours ago, Glaurung said:
Only for that shooting phase.
Gaunt is 180 I think, and Horrors went up to 200 per 10
blood knights I don’t remember, more than 200, maybe 220, I’m sorry but I didn’ t have much time to read it all
200 points for horrors? I'm guessing that will include splitting, with the free summoning and all. My only gripe with that is the amount of blue and brimstone horrors I might need.
LoC getting a big price bump points to magic becoming a bigger deal (it is a great caster) and/or it will be tied into the new summoning mechanic.
I don't fully trust that "leak" only because Nagash getting drastically re-costed was one of the first tidbits GW let slip when 2.0 was confirmed. LoN staying the same sounds odd.
streetsamurai wrote: hate these colored plastic. You have to use a ton of primer on them if you don't want the color to affect your painting
Prime black. You don't have to use too much primer for that in many cases, and it's easy enough to go over the black with other primer/colors as you need to.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I don't fully trust that "leak" only because Nagash getting drastically re-costed was one of the first tidbits GW let slip when 2.0 was confirmed. LoN staying the same sounds odd.
I read that as LoN also getting hammered, 'same' as Tzeentch.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I don't fully trust that "leak" only because Nagash getting drastically re-costed was one of the first tidbits GW let slip when 2.0 was confirmed. LoN staying the same sounds odd.
He said he only took a quick peek through the book and didn't have time to memorize exact points costs etc for most things. Just take it as a rough indicator.
Everything seems to pan out as expected. The "easy to builds" are going to be about £12, which is nice. Little annoyed by the objective markers though. I thought they'd be cheaper than that.
Behold, in all her glory – Lady Olynder, Mortarch of Grief!
Nagash is a being of exceptional power, but cannot be everywhere at once, and apportions his vast energies between the Mortarchs. Olynder is the most recently chosen of these dark lieutenants, gathering the previously disparate forces of the Nighthaunt into a terrifying spectral legion who fight at the spear tip of Nagash’s latest assault on the Mortal Realms.
In life, Olynder was a plotter and schemer who showed false remorse to improve her standing – now, in death, she is the possessor of a misery so deep and black it projects from her in vast, deadly waves. For most, to face her in battle is to lose hope and accept the inevitability of death – while those few with the will to stand before her are quickly obliterated by her deathly magics, or torn apart by spectral attendants.
We’ll be seeing more of Lady Olynder – and her Nighthaunt armies – soon, with Soul Wars being the tip of the (terrifying, definitely haunted) iceberg…
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Kanluwen wrote: Sooo...there's another Malign Sorcery spell coming with the Nighthaunt book.
And future battletomes as well will see more of them!
Mortarch of grief is a bedsheet ghost. Eh. I must say, I find that sculpt a LOT less impressive than I was imagining. Still, might be partly the paintjob, but... Nah, that's a miss for me.
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Dark Apostle 666 wrote: Mortarch of grief is a bedsheet ghost. Eh. I must say, I find that sculpt a LOT less impressive than I was imagining. Still, might be partly the paintjob, but... Nah, that's a miss for me.
Yeah...not impressed by that one. I like the look of a lot of the recent GW stuff, but that model...wow.
I think Grief Morty looks amazing (and easy to paint too). It reminds me of the Bride from the Haunted Mansion, which used to give me nightmares as a kid (I guess there is a reason they made her less terrifying now).
I'm actually really liking the nighthaunts. I didn't think I would. I still think the idea of a ghost army is kind of silly, and I thought an army of them would be a rare miss for AoS (like the Fyreslayers). But darned if they didn't make a thematically interesting army with awesome models.
I'm... Unimpressed. The details seem a bit too thick on the hair in particular. HOWEVER I am only unimpressed because GW has set the bar so dam high with the past releases. After the Eidolon it's going to be hard to live up to their top of the line stuff. What they did do very well here is the floating, ethereal feel with everything feeling weightless.
She looks remarkably subdued which fits in with the rest of the Nighthaunt faction but I cant help but feel that she's missing something. Maybe more flowy bits? bigger? some shackles?
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: At that price i'm sure they're boxes of 3 easy build models, like the plague marines got at that same price point
The contents of the new 'Easy To Build' kits can be seen HERE on Warhammer Community. The Sequitors are three models, the Castigators are three models plus a gryph hound while both the Myrmourn Banshees and Glaivewraith Stalkers are each four models.
I'm looking forward to seeing what some people are going to pull off with that blank canvas of cloth she has. But i personally really like her. She has a subdued elegance, something a lot of the bigger pieces have been missing lately when they try and cram too much detail onto them.
As a stand alone, Grief looks great, really dig the new banshee look and the INQ28 crew is going to do stunning things with her and her girls. But as a mortarch? I think the departure from the three mounted heroes is a misstep. Sure, Nighthaunts have a different thing going on, but all of the previous mortarch's have underlings with wildly different shticks. Grief will look sweet in the context of the other mega Nighthaunt dudes ... but sorely out of place against the other mortarchs.
On the topic of pricing, I'm pretty sure I can't afford $100 in AOS books, between both the core book and GBH18. I'll have to do some cost benefit analysis and see which one I actually "need" to buy to get the most relevant rules for my matched play buck.
Don't forget during the End Times the other Mortarchs were Vlad, Krell and a half dozen others. It's just that the mounted three are the most prominant right now.
Boss Salvage wrote: On the topic of pricing, I'm pretty sure I can't afford $100 in AOS books, between both the core book and GBH18. I'll have to do some cost benefit analysis and see which one I actually "need" to buy to get the most relevant rules for my matched play buck.
You only need the General's Handbook. The 16 pages of rules and warscrolls are free, and the GHB has the point values you need. The Big Rule Book will have different ways to plays and some scenarios, but I haven't seen anything that suggests that anything in it is required for match play.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Don't forget during the End Times the other Mortarchs were Vlad, Krell and a half dozen others. It's just that the mounted three are the most prominant right now.
Well yeah, because they're the only ones actively referred to as "Mortarchs".
Krell's a Wight King with Black Axe, Vlad's a Vampire, etc.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:Don't forget during the End Times the other Mortarchs were Vlad, Krell and a half dozen others. It's just that the mounted three are the most prominant right now.
Ah, fair point. I suppose I meant it more from a 'selling products within the same suite' marketing approach than a fluff perspective - though again Night Haunt seems to work pretty well as its own collective, as designed I'm sure. Also I'm not too sad that she isn't just another copy-pasta skull pony rider (though I love me some skull pony!)
Sqorgar wrote:You only need the General's Handbook. The 16 pages of rules and warscrolls are free, and the GHB has the point values you need. The Big Rule Book will have different ways to plays and some scenarios, but I haven't seen anything that suggests that anything in it is required for match play.
WarhamCommun tells me the BRB has this stuff:
– Allegiance abilities for Order, Chaos, Death and Destruction, including artefacts and command traits.
– Realm of Battle rules for seven of the Mortal Realms, each with their own tactical opportunities and challenges including unique spells, realmscape features, command traits and more.
Which I have to assume is not reprinted in the GHB? I'm not super interested in the realm tweaks (and hope / assume they won't feature heavily in matched play), but the first bullet seems important, especially as I'm playing Gutbusters without our own book.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:Don't forget during the End Times the other Mortarchs were Vlad, Krell and a half dozen others. It's just that the mounted three are the most prominant right now.
Ah, fair point. I suppose I meant it more from a 'selling products within the same suite' marketing approach than a fluff perspective. Also I'm not too sad that she isn't just another copy-pasta skull pony rider (though I love me some skull pony!)
Sqorgar wrote:You only need the General's Handbook. The 16 pages of rules and warscrolls are free, and the GHB has the point values you need. The Big Rule Book will have different ways to plays and some scenarios, but I haven't seen anything that suggests that anything in it is required for match play.
WarhamCommun tells me the BRB has this stuff:
– Allegiance abilities for Order, Chaos, Death and Destruction, including artefacts and command traits.
– Realm of Battle rules for seven of the Mortal Realms, each with their own tactical opportunities and challenges including unique spells, realmscape features, command traits and more.
Which I have to assume is not reprinted in the GHB? I'm not super interested in the realm tweaks (and hope / assume they won't feature heavily in matched play), but the first bullet seems important, especially as I'm playing Gutbusters without our own book.
- Salvage
Finally, for every kind of gamer, the General’s Handbook 2018 contains a new set of rules for summoning for every army that used it before, as well as allegiance abilities for every faction that was featured last year – for reference, that’s:
Part toolbox, part guide to matched play, all awesome – this year’s General’s Handbook is a must-have for all warlords.
I couldn't find any specific mention of the Core Book giving stuff but if I had to guess, it will be the same stuff as in 2017(which they said is being put in with 2018 as well).
Davor wrote: Wow that picture Inquisitor Guidion shown what a difference. I mean we can see how Kirby took Age of Sigmar as a joke and lackluster work to what Mr Roundtree taking AoS2.0 very serious.
If we could spoiler images of that size...
At any rate, it's not a matter of attitude in this case. The map on the left was for the purposes of a story arc that took place in a very specific region. Putting out a huge map of the realm where the land in that campaign was a tiny spot would have been a joke, not the other way around.
Sorry about that. I thought it was going to be resized like the original was done. I know it's too late, but I put spoilers in it now.
streetsamurai wrote:hate these colored plastic. You have to use a ton of primer on them if you don't want the color to affect your painting
Are you sure they are coloured plastic? I thought they were primed different colours and then the picture was taken.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: The Mortarch of Grief is gorgeous. She makes me think of the Mexican Day of the Dead.
I'm also getting a Day of the Dead vibe. I think she's perfect for what she's supposed to represent. I'm definitely buying her, but I I'm thinking a darker paint scheme more like the ghost in "Mama" rather than the sparkly-glowy scheme you usually see.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: The Mortarch of Grief is gorgeous. She makes me think of the Mexican Day of the Dead.
I'm also getting a Day of the Dead vibe. I think she's perfect for what she's supposed to represent. I'm definitely buying her, but I I'm thinking a darker paint scheme more like the ghost in "Mama" rather than the sparkly-glowy scheme you usually see.
I was kinda 'eh' on Nighthaunts as an army for myself but this really makes me want to do a day of the dead themed one...
But then if Blood Knights are indeed getting a points cut it would be a good time to be hip and start Soulblight allegiance before it gets cool.
The Mortarch is incredible. She’s remarkably subdued for a huge centrepiece GW model, lots of blank space and her appearance isn’t nearly as ostentatious as other big kits. Because of this she has an absolutely striking silhouette and the core of her design elements aren’t smothered by knick-knacks and decorative elements. Your eyes are immediately drawn to her face and crown instead of flitting all around looking for a place to settle. The only thing I’m not loving are the roses, although to be fair they are placed in such a way that your eyes will naturally follow them up her body towards, again, her face and crown. Other than that, what an absolute home run, I tip my hat to the designer for creating something extraordinary.
I can see painters having a lot of fun with her; sometimes low detail can work wonders as it leaves more room for creative painting without distraction. And if you don't go for something super free-hand you can paint her a very simple scheme and she still works
Interesting a lot of us are getting a Dia DeLos Muertos vibe with the new Mortarch. I was reminded of the newer Raging Heroes as well.
I like her, but I'm sad she doesn't get a big terror dog mount like her Mortarch buddies. Do I need to buy a fourth start collecting box now and convert a dread abyssal to hang out with her?
Overread wrote: I can see painters having a lot of fun with her; sometimes low detail can work wonders as it leaves more room for creative painting without distraction. And if you don't go for something super free-hand you can paint her a very simple scheme and she still works
Indeed. After trying (and failing) to paint various types of Tzaangor I truly appreciate a model that is beautiful in its simplicity and gives me as a painter room to breathe between details and greebles.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Don't forget during the End Times the other Mortarchs were Vlad, Krell and a half dozen others. It's just that the mounted three are the most prominant right now.
Well yeah, because they're the only ones actively referred to as "Mortarchs".
Krell's a Wight King with Black Axe, Vlad's a Vampire, etc.
Those aren’t the actual characters anymore though, just generic heroes. I’m sure if Krell and Vlad show up they’ll be Mortarchs still.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Interesting a lot of us are getting a Dia DeLos Muertos vibe with the new Mortarch. I was reminded of the newer Raging Heroes as well.
I like her, but I'm sad she doesn't get a big terror dog mount like her Mortarch buddies. Do I need to buy a fourth start collecting box now and convert a dread abyssal to hang out with her?
Honestly, I think it best that she doesn't get a mount. It starts to let us have the End Times style of "Mortarchs" back. I'm hoping for a Mortarch of Shadow(this was Vlad during End Times) and Despair(Krell during the End Times).
Krell had "Mortarch of Despair" as a special rule(Whenever an enemy unit failed a Fear, Terror, or Break test within 12" of him--he regained a single Wound lost earlier in the battle) while Vlad had "Mortarch of Shadow" that made a -1 to enemy Leadership within 12" and shooting & cc attacks targeting Vlad(or his unit--that doesn't really matter anymore) getting a -1 penalty to their To Hit rolls.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Don't forget during the End Times the other Mortarchs were Vlad, Krell and a half dozen others. It's just that the mounted three are the most prominant right now.
Well yeah, because they're the only ones actively referred to as "Mortarchs".
Krell's a Wight King with Black Axe, Vlad's a Vampire, etc.
Those aren’t the actual characters anymore though, just generic heroes. I’m sure if Krell and Vlad show up they’ll be Mortarchs still.
Krell turned to Chaos and Vlad permadied...so I doubt it.
Wow. The new mortarch is gorgeous. While I may not enjoy the lore to AoS that much I think the line has produced some of Games Workshop's best miniatures.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Interesting a lot of us are getting a Dia DeLos Muertos vibe with the new Mortarch. I was reminded of the newer Raging Heroes as well.
I like her, but I'm sad she doesn't get a big terror dog mount like her Mortarch buddies. Do I need to buy a fourth start collecting box now and convert a dread abyssal to hang out with her?
Remember this picture of Kurdoss Valentian, the Craven King? We're getting another Nighthaunt character that is mounted, So I'm glad that Lady Olynder is not mounted on a Dread Abyssal.
Pretty disappointed with grief, would have been cooler if this was Isabella and frankly the model is very bland and tame, compared to say the Eidolon, grief is nothing. The other mortrarch sculpts are older but arguably better. Ah well.
Rather disappointed with Olynder. The proportions are off and they could have done more with her face. I was hoping for a more twisted appearance overall.
It's going to make for a good conversion base though.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Interesting a lot of us are getting a Dia DeLos Muertos vibe with the new Mortarch. I was reminded of the newer Raging Heroes as well.
I like her, but I'm sad she doesn't get a big terror dog mount like her Mortarch buddies. Do I need to buy a fourth start collecting box now and convert a dread abyssal to hang out with her?
Honestly, I think it best that she doesn't get a mount. It starts to let us have the End Times style of "Mortarchs" back. I'm hoping for a Mortarch of Shadow(this was Vlad during End Times) and Despair(Krell during the End Times).
Krell had "Mortarch of Despair" as a special rule(Whenever an enemy unit failed a Fear, Terror, or Break test within 12" of him--he regained a single Wound lost earlier in the battle) while Vlad had "Mortarch of Shadow" that made a -1 to enemy Leadership within 12" and shooting & cc attacks targeting Vlad(or his unit--that doesn't really matter anymore) getting a -1 penalty to their To Hit rolls.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Don't forget during the End Times the other Mortarchs were Vlad, Krell and a half dozen others. It's just that the mounted three are the most prominant right now.
Well yeah, because they're the only ones actively referred to as "Mortarchs".
Krell's a Wight King with Black Axe, Vlad's a Vampire, etc.
Those aren’t the actual characters anymore though, just generic heroes. I’m sure if Krell and Vlad show up they’ll be Mortarchs still.
Krell turned to Chaos and Vlad permadied...so I doubt it.
Wasn't that Kemmler that turned to Choas and not Krell?
I checked and Arkhan killed Kemmler when he turned to Chaos during the End Times. It was in the first book of that series. Krell stayed with Nagash until he was killed by Sigvald in the last book.
Back on topic: I really like the new model as a whole.
Nova_Impero wrote: I checked and Arkhan killed Kemmler when he turned to Chaos during the End Times. It was in the first book of that series. Krell stayed with Nagash until he was killed by Sigvald in the last book.
Back on topic: I really like the new model as a whole.
Good to be corrected--it's been awhile since I've just sat down and read through the story.
I was remembering the nonsense about Settra at the end of Nagash I think.
Mymearan wrote: The Mortarch is incredible. She’s remarkably subdued for a huge centrepiece GW model, lots of blank space and her appearance isn’t nearly as ostentatious as other big kits. Because of this she has an absolutely striking silhouette and the core of her design elements aren’t smothered by knick-knacks and decorative elements. Your eyes are immediately drawn to her face and crown instead of flitting all around looking for a place to settle. The only thing I’m not loving are the roses, although to be fair they are placed in such a way that your eyes will naturally follow them up her body towards, again, her face and crown. Other than that, what an absolute home run, I tip my hat to the designer for creating something extraordinary.
Hmm. I'm continually drawn away from her 'face' to the interesting details, like the roses (which draw attention down to the center of the model). The waist and the worked metal 'crown' vie for attention back and forth, and the spirits draw it from side to side.
I really like this new mortarch, looks very minimal and not over the top like some other AoS sculpts. Compared to nagash she looks very pleasant to work with in terms of painting and modelling. It's good they came out with at least one character that isn't a chaotic mess of gribbly bits. Even then though she's still floating on one thin piece of ghost cloth that may or may not turn out to be fragile.
Kanluwen wrote: Sooo...there's another Malign Sorcery spell coming with the Nighthaunt book.
And future battletomes as well will see more of them!
Screen cap of Nighthaunt spell...
They also said that the nighthaunts spell is the next one, so that also confirms that nighthaunt battletome comes before or at the same times as the stormcast battletome
I love the Mortach of Grief. I don't know where else I can use her (as I use sylvaneth) but if I could find a way to shoe-horn her in as something else, I would do.
the new rules appear to be online already, they can be found on the age of sigmar site The site also contains an image of the nighthaunt battletome(can be found under factions->death->nighthaunt):
The artwork for Warhammer and 40K has always had a lot of detail and many times you'll see warriors or other things standing around that could potentially be heroes or new units, but which never make it into the game. A reflection of the variety within the world beyond what we get to play with on the tabletop.
are those all three new models upfront in the image (for a moment I confused mannfred with the one on the right)?
It looks to be a new visual aesthetic for Soulblight. We haven't seen any real art of them since AoS, outside of Mannfred.
There was some talk awhile back of Soulblight getting their own Battletome with a unit of 'thralls' on foot--something roughly similar to a Stormcast Eternals element for Death.
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terry wrote: not sure of this one has already be shown, but it appears there will be another mounted hero(not one of the 3 named onces)
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It's been shown at Warhammer Fest. It's actually part of a two model box.
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Unit or hero is a bit unknown as of yet. Likely it's a Hero themed to be a buff for the mounted stuff since we see it with the Hexwraiths.
Kanluwen wrote: Sooo...there's another Malign Sorcery spell coming with the Nighthaunt book.
And future battletomes as well will see more of them!
Screen cap of Nighthaunt spell...
They also said that the nighthaunts spell is the next one, so that also confirms that nighthaunt battletome comes before or at the same times as the stormcast battletome
Yes, the Nighthaunt reveal trailer stated June 2018 for the battletome, although at this point its looking like it will just be the pre-order on the 30th.
Can't pick Azyr as the realm to fight on, interesting. I was hoping they'll also preview the lores of magic. No matter, I'll be playing under the new core rules on Saturday, maybe I'll also use one of the previewed artifacts.
Do I understand correctly that a single wizard can cast all of his known spells?
Kanluwen wrote: Sooo...there's another Malign Sorcery spell coming with the Nighthaunt book.
And future battletomes as well will see more of them!
Screen cap of Nighthaunt spell...
They also said that the nighthaunts spell is the next one, so that also confirms that nighthaunt battletome comes before or at the same times as the stormcast battletome
Yes, the Nighthaunt reveal trailer stated June 2018 for the battletome, although at this point its looking like it will just be the pre-order on the 30th.
Spoiler:
I mean, it could go up for preorder on the 23rd and release on the 30th.
It looks to be a new visual aesthetic for Soulblight. We haven't seen any real art of them since AoS, outside of Mannfred.
There was some talk awhile back of Soulblight getting their own Battletome with a unit of 'thralls' on foot--something roughly similar to a Stormcast Eternals element for Death.
Those Vampires if that is what they are fairly similar to images of Carstein court in 8th Ed WFB Vampire Counts.
We have new images of Neferata for AOS - the covers of Dance of the Skulls and Mortarch of Blood, plus Adhema ( a blood Knight in the service of Neferata) on the cover of Spear of Shadows.
Port those Blood Tithe and Karanak rules to 40k NOW! Holy gak that Karanak buff is hilarious and fluffy! Auto pick every game if that gets ported over.
Free splitting, IF you have a hero, but not directly into the same tarpit of horror and frustration anymore. Which is sad and weird, but also less broken BS.
Slaanesh allegiance abilities indicate that we will still be seeking for a while though.
Mother of God I'm happy with my seraphon. Others won't be but I am
No cost increase on slaan or astrolith bearers. Drop on knights, guard, troglodon, and stegadons. Mild formation increases. Higher risk reward on our teleporting. Overall it's awesomeness for a year now.
DarkBlack wrote: The 30" dispel range with mastery of magic and spell thief is going to make the LoC crazy. Stopping your magic and then casting it better than you do.
Hulksmash wrote: Mother of God I'm happy with my seraphon. Others won't be but I am
No cost increase on slaan or astrolith bearers. Drop on knights, guard, troglodon, and stegadons. Mild formation increases. Higher risk reward on our teleporting. Overall it's awesomeness for a year now.
Agreed; from those pics its the Seraphon changes I'm happiest with so far. Gosh did knights need a points drop.
Automatically Appended Next Post: (To be clear, I wish the mounts looked as good as the dark elf cold ones. But really I wish every seraphon at the same quality as the carnosaur/trogolodon and the saurus rider do/ Those kits are mouth wateringly great.)
Automatically Appended Next Post: (To be clear, I wish the mounts looked as good as the dark elf cold ones. But really I wish every seraphon at the same quality as the carnosaur/trogolodon and the saurus rider do/ Those kits are mouth wateringly great.)
Those ones are much more recent, thus the step up in quality.
RoboDragon wrote: If Seraphon got some new infantry models I would start collecting them for sure. Love the monsters but infantry are too dated (for me personally).
See that's my one worry with GW having split a lot of armies up in that I can see it taking them a long time to getting back to existing armies for new model releases and updated sculpts.
Heck I really hope they combine some of the aelf factions otherwise there's going to be around 20 full armies of aelf alone!
The more time goes by, the more I want counters and objectives and the like to look like they belong on the table. I think I'd rather spend the difference between the regular and deluxe books on the objectives.
I'm sure they'll be useful, but I don't really want high contrast black and white circles on the table.
frozenwastes wrote: The more time goes by, the more I want counters and objectives and the like to look like they belong on the table. I think I'd rather spend the difference between the regular and deluxe books on the objectives.
I'm sure they'll be useful, but I don't really want high contrast black and white circles on the table.
Grimghast Reapers are looking really good. The bell guy being a unit leader who beats you to death with his bell instead of a musician is surprising and comical though.
changemod wrote: Grimghast Reapers are looking really good. The bell guy being a unit leader who beats you to death with his bell instead of a musician is surprising and comical though.
You did notice that the Extoller is the only one who isn't blindfolded? I like the concept of the Extoller using his Death Knell to lead the rest of the Reapers to the enemy.
The easy to build figures have colored sprues. I'm now convinced that they are going for a split model with Shadespire season 2 - buy the figures and cards separately. Though if they go like Dark Imperium, they may release a second starter set with colored plastic (and maybe a third with just the ETB models).
Speaking of soulblight, is it me, or some of their heroes are being squatted right now?
Geifer wrote: Compared to the artwork, the Mortarch's paint job is really poor. It completely lacks that ethereal ghostly vibe. The sculpt looks decent, though.
See, this it the thing that bothers me about new ghosts. They just don't look like undead. Compared to ethereal bodies and skull faces, their normal looking hands terribly reinforce the 'bedsheet ghosty' look. Compare it to old GW ghost with skeletal hands and the new ones are kinda lamed by that detail:
You can argue they look like the banshee, but she actually had flesh on the face still. So, yeah, arms just create jarring dissonance with head...
changemod wrote: Grimghast Reapers are looking really good. The bell guy being a unit leader who beats you to death with his bell instead of a musician is surprising and comical though.
I like it when standards & music are also weapons or at least modelled in such a way that they wouldn't neuter combat ability. Blightkings are good with this.
Good to see the scultped bases can easily be made optional by clipping the stub on the detail and gluing them to a regular base. Too much sculpting for my taste as is.
You can argue they look like the banshee, but she actually had flesh on the face still. So, yeah, arms just create jarring dissonance with head...
Agreed, it's a bit jarring, but I gues it's the aesthetic they decided to pursue. I think the artistic vision is decently reflected on the battle-tome cover:
In the GW podcast the designer talked about how they wanted to pursue a bit of the horror genre with this army, and this may be a way to make the figures unsettling. There's a lot of flesh/bone/cloth/mist merger going on in the models, and a decent paint job should blend the 4 together nicely.
The warlord edition of the general's handbook comes with some really cool tokens. I might pick it up simply because those game aids would be really useful.
I was kind of expecting banshees to have some sort of shriek. I like that they eat magic though. Looks like they'll be fun.
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What a cool effect! I know it's not some amazing ball of skeletal faced death or a bunch of flying swords or a giant orky pac man, but I really like that.
Also, I'm probably the only one looking forward to making jokes about the order I move things when sequitors are on the table. This Knight-Incantor will stand still instead of moving up with the other units. It simply does not follow.
Well that was an expensive morning. Actually, it wasn't that bad. The box, sorcery, GHB, the banshees and sequitors for £160 dead. It was a good morning.
WAIT METRIC!
Don't be silly that measuring ruler is still in inches darn it! We must protect our history in imperial measurement for important things in life. Miles per Hour; pints of beer and milk; inches for the wartable!
I was watching the new How to Play videos and saw something quite big on the shelves next to the actress presenting the rules. Anyone knows what it is? It may be an existing model:
CoreCommander wrote: I was watching the new How to Play videos and saw something quite big on the shelves next to the actress presenting the rules. Anyone knows what it is?
CoreCommander wrote: I was watching the new How to Play videos and saw something quite big on the shelves next to the actress presenting the rules. Anyone knows what it is?
CoreCommander wrote: I was watching the new How to Play videos and saw something quite big on the shelves next to the actress presenting the rules. Anyone knows what it is?
Knight-Incantor?
Maybe...
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No, the other one, the Lady (as Chikout said above)
Insane Ivan wrote: The AoS app now has the warscrolls for the starter set units, and the Celestar Ballista image has different crew (female!) than the box set:
Sculpted bases so probably an "easy to build" kit as well.
Atlas with rules-$60
Generals Handbook-$35 a year
Everchosen+inevitable Hosts of Slaanesh book-$83-90
……..um, yeah. Nope.
I live near Games Workshop and a comic book store that strongly prefer Shadespire and 40k over Fantasy/AoS. It it because of this that I am VERY glad I am saving money for just one game now.
I live near Games Workshop and a comic book store that strongly prefer Shadespire and 40k over Fantasy/AoS. Because of this, I am VERY glad I am saving money because of this.
I live near Games Workshop and a comic book store that strongly prefer Shadespire and 40k over Fantasy/AoS. Because of this, I am VERY glad I am saving money because of this.
Geifer wrote: Compared to the artwork, the Mortarch's paint job is really poor. It completely lacks that ethereal ghostly vibe. The sculpt looks decent, though.
See, this it the thing that bothers me about new ghosts. They just don't look like undead. Compared to ethereal bodies and skull faces, their normal looking hands terribly reinforce the 'bedsheet ghosty' look. Compare it to old GW ghost with skeletal hands and the new ones are kinda lamed by that detail:
Spoiler:
You can argue they look like the banshee, but she actually had flesh on the face still. So, yeah, arms just create jarring dissonance with head...
Thanks for pointing that out. I thought the arms looked odd, but I couldn't figure out what bothered me about them.
Crazyterran wrote: So, can the Sequitors have three Greatmaces for the original five models, with 2 plus the Prime? Thats how Im reading their warscroll there.
I wonder if they are goong to be battleline, and if they are, how many points over Liberators will they be, since they are a direct upgrade.
The first is from the easy to build, the latter is from the starter set.
Interesting !
I think the first link you provided is the more up-to-date version ; it includes a "redemption cache" which is probably an option from the future multi part plastic kit (see the attachment)
EDIT : the "Tempest blades" option can be seen on the right here (along with the redemption cache) :
Geifer wrote: Compared to the artwork, the Mortarch's paint job is really poor. It completely lacks that ethereal ghostly vibe. The sculpt looks decent, though.
See, this it the thing that bothers me about new ghosts. They just don't look like undead. Compared to ethereal bodies and skull faces, their normal looking hands terribly reinforce the 'bedsheet ghosty' look. Compare it to old GW ghost with skeletal hands and the new ones are kinda lamed by that detail:
Spoiler:
You can argue they look like the banshee, but she actually had flesh on the face still. So, yeah, arms just create jarring dissonance with head...
Thanks for pointing that out. I thought the arms looked odd, but I couldn't figure out what bothered me about them.
Me too.
Should be a general rule: skeletal face/head is matched by skeletal every ofther exposed bit.
I really like the skeletal-headed crow on the base of the nearmost one. Quite cool in general for easy build figures. Might actually be tempted to pick them up (despite not needing anything else on my backlog). I've been using Wraiths to counts as ghouls for Mordheim.
Geifer wrote: Compared to the artwork, the Mortarch's paint job is really poor. It completely lacks that ethereal ghostly vibe. The sculpt looks decent, though.
See, this it the thing that bothers me about new ghosts. They just don't look like undead. Compared to ethereal bodies and skull faces, their normal looking hands terribly reinforce the 'bedsheet ghosty' look. Compare it to old GW ghost with skeletal hands and the new ones are kinda lamed by that detail:
Spoiler:
You can argue they look like the banshee, but she actually had flesh on the face still. So, yeah, arms just create jarring dissonance with head...
Thanks for pointing that out. I thought the arms looked odd, but I couldn't figure out what bothered me about them.
Me too.
Should be a general rule: skeletal face/head is matched by skeletal every ofther exposed bit.
I really like the skeletal-headed crow on the base of the nearmost one. Quite cool in general for easy build figures. Might actually be tempted to pick them up (despite not needing anything else on my backlog). I've been using Wraiths to counts as ghouls for Mordheim.
Never looked close enough to spot it but now that you mention the bird I hope its a raven (not a crow) and thus a homage to Quath the Raven from Discworld; the winged mount of the DEATH of Rats (Quoth being into the whole deal for the eyeballs)
Geifer wrote: Compared to the artwork, the Mortarch's paint job is really poor. It completely lacks that ethereal ghostly vibe. The sculpt looks decent, though.
See, this it the thing that bothers me about new ghosts. They just don't look like undead. Compared to ethereal bodies and skull faces, their normal looking hands terribly reinforce the 'bedsheet ghosty' look. Compare it to old GW ghost with skeletal hands and the new ones are kinda lamed by that detail:
Spoiler:
You can argue they look like the banshee, but she actually had flesh on the face still. So, yeah, arms just create jarring dissonance with head...
Thanks for pointing that out. I thought the arms looked odd, but I couldn't figure out what bothered me about them.
Me too.
Should be a general rule: skeletal face/head is matched by skeletal every ofther exposed bit.
Well, it's all subjective isn't it? Personally the combination of skull faces, but thin, spectral arms is one of the things I like most about the Nighthaunts. It makes them look more creepy.
Crazyterran wrote: So, can the Sequitors have three Greatmaces for the original five models, with 2 plus the Prime? Thats how Im reading their warscroll there.
I wonder if they are goong to be battleline, and if they are, how many points over Liberators will they be, since they are a direct upgrade.
The first is from the easy to build, the latter is from the starter set.
Battleline with allegiance and Lord Arcanum as general. 80 points for 3, so likely 120 for 5, making them a bit more than liberators which is appropriate. They perform better but not that much so.
Did I miss the discussion on the new green and blue technical paints? I love the idea of the “glow” shades/washes, but I hate that they made them direct only, and I fear they’ll be limited release.
AduroT wrote: Did I miss the discussion on the new green and blue technical paints? I love the idea of the “glow” shades/washes, but I hate that they made them direct only, and I fear they’ll be limited release.
That’s weird, I ordered one of each from Element Games where I placed my preorder.
AduroT wrote: Did I miss the discussion on the new green and blue technical paints? I love the idea of the “glow” shades/washes, but I hate that they made them direct only, and I fear they’ll be limited release.
That’s weird, I ordered one of each from Element Games where I placed my preorder.
'Webstore Exclusive' is a bit of a misnomer. If I recall correctly, your FLGS can get this product in but not with their usual discount.
changemod wrote: So wait, I’ve not seen any news on next week’s preorders. Is there anything about that I’ve missed?
This is a two week pre-order and will be released on the 30th. There's no new pre-orders on the 23rd for more releases on the 30th.
Huh, that’s very out of character for them.
Aye but consider that edition releases are going to generate vast sales for GW. Even with free rules releases on the website a lot of people are likely going to get at least one or two items in this. I suspect the Maligan Spells will be flying off the shelves and the Big Rule Book is always popular, plus all of the existing Sigmar fanbase is likely to get the Generals Handbook. Plus they've really bigged up Sigmar this time and suspect that in itself will generate even more sales.
So unlike a new faction, a new edition is going to be a lot lot more orders; so it makes sense to have a wider window of pre-orders. Considering that many will pre-order early it lets GW know exactly what is and isn't selling in vast volume and gives them two weeks to focus production to try and help bolster any potential gaps. Eg if GW didn't think many would get the Big Rule book and it turns out that was the only thing everyone ordered then they've got two weeks to get in more stock to try and avoid a shortfall at launch.
Worry not, July is likely to have at least two 40K codex (Orks and Space Wolves) whilst the first of August is likely to have Genestealer Cults then there's the launch of Titanicus in August.
AduroT wrote: Did I miss the discussion on the new green and blue technical paints? I love the idea of the “glow” shades/washes, but I hate that they made them direct only, and I fear they’ll be limited release.
They might be a limited release--but it would likely have more to do with stock on hand than any "BUY BUY BUY NOW!" deal. Remember that paints are done out of house.
Overread wrote: Worry not, July is likely to have at least two 40K codex (Orks and Space Wolves) whilst the first of August is likely to have Genestealer Cults then there's the launch of Titanicus in August.
July will have the Nighthaunt battletome (most likely on pre-order on the 30th) and the rest of the Nighthaunt releases. Then we're likely to see a new Stormcast battletome (the current one is already on 'Last Chance to Buy') and the new Sacrosanct models.
Question; where was the confirmation that FEC cannot go above starting size? I didn't see it in the matched play section of the core book, so I am guessing it's in GHB3. Was wondering if it's specific to FEC or a generic overall rule.
Hmmm... with all the abilities now outthere to restore souls to bodies (and bring slain models back to units), I had really hoped the stormcast reliquary vault (above) and the nighthaunt with giant padlocks might instead bind souls so that such abilities could not be used for units affected by either model. Really make their employment tacticaland a little more interesting.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Question; where was the confirmation that FEC cannot go above starting size? I didn't see it in the matched play section of the core book, so I am guessing it's in GHB3. Was wondering if it's specific to FEC or a generic overall rule.
It will be in the GHB if its kept the same. If you look in the matched play section for last years book it states you cant go above starting
Emeraldw wrote: Where does it say that Matched play is in the core rulebook now?
Warhammer Age of Sigmar Core Book Product Information wrote:
- Matched Play Games: the ultimate way for players to test their mettle in evenly-balanced conflict, this is the way to play games of Warhammer Age of Sigmar and prove your skill, tactical ability and strategic nous;
- Pitched Battles: played as one-off games or part of a tournament, Pitched Battles are designed to be set up with a minimum of fuss. Details of army sizes for different battle lengths, rules for fielding Warscroll Battalions and Allied units are covered;
- Battle Strategies: a variety of objectives and strategies designed to provide challenge to players, forcing them to adapt to unpredictable effect, with a D66 table providing a random element;
- A blank Pitched Battle Army Roster, for you to photocopy and use when assembling your Pitched battle armies.
It does NOT give you points. It just explains Matched Play to you.
Emeraldw wrote: The core rules says it is 1 per 4, but are points per level gone?
I hope its not 1 per 4, as my Warherd army will be dead in the water.
I thought I saw someone mention on TGA that it remains the same as previous edition, though.
Core rules make allies one per four. Matched play adds the point limits on top of that; so in matched play it's both.
Is there a pic of the actual rule? Facehammer guys (playtesters) said in Matched play the restrictions are the same as they are now, that is only points restrictions.
I may have missed something that said the point restrictions override the one per four rule, but as I recall they didn't mention it at all. Accordingly, core rules say one per four, matched play says allies restricted by points, thus we have both. I could see how someone might miss that subtlety but I also could have missed a rule somewhere.
Not sure if it's been asked/answered already (Not sure which key words to search for), do we know if there's going to be 3 different starter boxes for AOS like before, and if so, will the £25 box set be the new pushfit figures (like Dark Imperium's box contains reievers/plague marines/pox walkers and inter...whatevers).
I want the pushfit figures, but happy to wait until a small starter box release.
ritualnet wrote: Not sure if it's been asked/answered already (Not sure which key words to search for), do we know if there's going to be 3 different starter boxes for AOS like before, and if so, will the £25 box set be the new pushfit figures (like Dark Imperium's box contains reievers/plague marines/pox walkers and inter...whatevers).
I want the pushfit figures, but happy to wait until a small starter box release.
There is no indication of any smaller starter boxes, and if they come, it will probably be 1-2 years after release like the ones for AoS 1.
ritualnet wrote: Not sure if it's been asked/answered already (Not sure which key words to search for), do we know if there's going to be 3 different starter boxes for AOS like before, and if so, will the £25 box set be the new pushfit figures (like Dark Imperium's box contains reievers/plague marines/pox walkers and inter...whatevers).
I want the pushfit figures, but happy to wait until a small starter box release.
Id doubt it would be anytime soon, but no they did not say officially they would or wouldn't do this. Best bet is to split the box with someone if you only want half. Baring that ebay
ritualnet wrote: Not sure if it's been asked/answered already (Not sure which key words to search for), do we know if there's going to be 3 different starter boxes for AOS like before, and if so, will the £25 box set be the new pushfit figures (like Dark Imperium's box contains reievers/plague marines/pox walkers and inter...whatevers).
I want the pushfit figures, but happy to wait until a small starter box release.
There is no indication of any smaller starter boxes, and if they come, it will probably be 1-2 years after release like the ones for AoS 1.
Or alternately, really quickly, like the 8th edition 40k boxes.
ritualnet wrote: Not sure if it's been asked/answered already (Not sure which key words to search for), do we know if there's going to be 3 different starter boxes for AOS like before, and if so, will the £25 box set be the new pushfit figures (like Dark Imperium's box contains reievers/plague marines/pox walkers and inter...whatevers).
I want the pushfit figures, but happy to wait until a small starter box release.
There is no indication of any smaller starter boxes, and if they come, it will probably be 1-2 years after release like the ones for AoS 1.
Or alternately, really quickly, like the 8th edition 40k boxes.
Ah yes, forgot about those! Yeah that's not unlikely.
I'd say we will see the cut down versions in fairly short notice. Thunder and blood took a while because they still hadn't established the doctrine of 3-sizes for starters but I would wager that we will see the cut down versions in july or august. September tops but most likely august-july.
The smaller starters and their related push-fit sets are all Last Chance to Buy on the webstore so I'd suspect we'll see their equivalents appear once Soul Wars' sales start to dip.
I don't know anything about the sale figures of those sets though. They seem a good value to me but I'm not really the target.
Dr_Keenbean wrote: I don't know anything about the sale figures of those sets though. They seem a good value to me but I'm not really the target.
The big core boxes (Dark Imperium and Soul War) include the big rule book (making it difficult to split evenly with another player) and doesn't include tutorials or terrain or anything like that. It seems intended for existing AoS/40k players upgrading to the new edition.
The other sets have paper mats, a box that doubles as terrain, colored plastic figures, tutorial missions that walk you through playing, a guide to the hobby, and so on. In short, it's for people who haven't played the game (or possibly any miniature game) before and it is easy to split with another player. If they follow 40k, the smallest box will be a sample box with minimal overlap with the other boxes (probably include the 4 easy builds) so that there is a clear upgrade path from small to medium.
I suspect the big box is front loaded in sales, while the two smaller boxes are more of a constant seller throughout the product lifespan.
Personally I'm just hoping that some of the ebay splitters decide to charge reasonable prices this time around - I miss buying AoBR Ork Nobz at a pound each, these days you're lucky if the starter box units end up being cheaper than the eventual unit release with an online discount.
No interest in much of the box or the game, but a blob of the basic ghosties and one or two of the wraiths very much appeals.
In other news, the recent short story reveals Nagash's plans to the readers via Nagash revealing his plans to Mannfred. But the story is so much better if you imagine Nagash sounds like Skeletor when reading it.
I wonder if any will change their alliance boundaries or go multi-alliance. Right now Destruction has a range of great monsters, some of which would really suit some Order armies (eg the merwyrm) whilst Death only has Mourngul.
Granted with a new Sigmar division that should change ,but that is going to take a good few months if not a year before I'd expect to see big FW Sigmar releases.
Overread wrote: I wonder if any will change their alliance boundaries or go multi-alliance. Right now Destruction has a range of great monsters, some of which would really suit some Order armies (eg the merwyrm) whilst Death only has Mourngul.
The Merwyrm, to be honest, doesn't suit any army at this juncture. I say this as an Idoneth player--it doesn't really fit there. When they had it for WHFB, it had three or four distinctive 'breeds' with each version being unique to certain regions. The resulting thing now is closer to the Dark Elf 'variant'--a deep sea predator that made it so enemies nearby would miss and had a chill aura reducing movement/charges nearby, but it had a worse save than the other versions while having a monster-killing bite.
If I had to put it somewhere? Scourge Privateers. They go out of their way to capture and goad monsters, it's what I think the 'best fit' would be.
Perusing the AoS reddit page points dump thread has got me tentatively excited.
For the army dearest to my heart for the last 4-5 editions, Brayherds:
-Gors + Ungors(non bow equpped) remain the same. Fair enough.
-Bestigors went down 20 points. They are very solid at that price, imo. Bravery will be a problem but thats always been the nature of the... uh .. Beast.
-Ungor Raiders lost Massive Regiment price bonus. I never really took the max anyway, thats alot to push around and tons of dice. Plus their scaling ability is pretty bonkers.
-Beastlord went up 10 points. Say wut? Unless his command ability is changing drastically , I’m baffled. I guess he’s more surviveable with Look out Sir! But he still melts in HtH, in my experience. Not a huge jump, but still...
-Bray Shaman went up 10 as well. Perfectly acceptable, as Devolve looks amazing and I think he keeps Savage Dominion.
-Windstalker Brayherd down 30 points. Never really took it before at the previous price, combined with Beastlords being somewhat suspect it seemed wasteful. Primal Fury was amazing though. May rethink it now.
Not expecting top tier mind you, but definitely seems like improvements. Coupled with new spells and other tools, might be something here.
Now just to get “eyes on” confirmation on Warherds points reductions. Hearing good things, but need to verify the extent. Bullgors are getting reduced points, but have seen,nothing concrete. Cygors supposedly going down in points aswell, combined with new 30 inch unbind rule makes their 2 unbinds ability pretty gnarly, if it remains intact. Again, not expecting Top tier with Warherd either, but I’m happy for some changes!
AndrewGPaul wrote: Never mind that nonsense, what about the Warhammer Fire Dragon? Unlikely I know, since it's not been on sale for ages, but still ...
It still sucks that these crazy expensive models can lose their rules once they go OOP. Doesn't really make me want to buy FW stuff that doesn't have a direct main studio analogue.
nels1031 wrote: Perusing the AoS reddit page points dump thread has got me tentatively excited.
For the army dearest to my heart for the last 4-5 editions, Brayherds:
-Gors + Ungors(non bow equpped) remain the same. Fair enough. -Bestigors went down 20 points. They are very solid at that price, imo. Bravery will be a problem but thats always been the nature of the... uh .. Beast. -Ungor Raiders lost Massive Regiment price bonus. I never really took the max anyway, thats alot to push around and tons of dice. Plus their scaling ability is pretty bonkers. -Beastlord went up 10 points. Say wut? Unless his command ability is changing drastically , I’m baffled. I guess he’s more surviveable with Look out Sir! But he still melts in HtH, in my experience. Not a huge jump, but still... -Bray Shaman went up 10 as well. Perfectly acceptable, as Devolve looks amazing and I think he keeps Savage Dominion. -Windstalker Brayherd down 30 points. Never really took it before at the previous price, combined with Beastlords being somewhat suspect it seemed wasteful. Primal Fury was amazing though. May rethink it now.
Not expecting top tier mind you, but definitely seems like improvements. Coupled with new spells and other tools, might be something here.
Now just to get “eyes on” confirmation on Warherds points reductions. Hearing good things, but need to verify the extent. Bullgors are getting reduced points, but have seen,nothing concrete. Cygors supposedly going down in points aswell, combined with new 30 inch unbind rule makes their 2 unbinds ability pretty gnarly, if it remains intact. Again, not expecting Top tier with Warherd either, but I’m happy for some changes!
He doesn't keep Savage Dominion, which is fortunate because that spell could potentially give you 1500+ free points during the course of a game. If you wanted you could summon 5 Archaons
Anyway, I'm happy with the points drop on Bestigor, I was comparing them to Tzaangor yesterday and noticing how lackluster they were in comparison, with only 1 wound, no scaling abilities and no special weapons. Now they'll be substantially cheaper, which is good for me since I'll be painting up 20 Bestigor to ally into my Tzeentch army. Why? I'm too lazy to paint up Tzaangor becacuse the models have so much detail on them
AndrewGPaul wrote: Never mind that nonsense, what about the Warhammer Fire Dragon? Unlikely I know, since it's not been on sale for ages, but still ...
It still sucks that these crazy expensive models can lose their rules once they go OOP. Doesn't really make me want to buy FW stuff that doesn't have a direct main studio analogue.
Actually, it doesn't suck. That model didn't have rules when I bought it and only had rules briefly in an edition I never played (and for a particular edge case that would never have appealed to me anyway). No-one bought that model to use in games. I'm only slightly disgruntled (when I can work up the energy) that I'm not getting a free bonus that I never wanted anyway. I've got a month or so before my trip to Warhammer World - plenty of time to write a warscroll for it.
AndrewGPaul wrote: Never mind that nonsense, what about the Warhammer Fire Dragon? Unlikely I know, since it's not been on sale for ages, but still ...
Honestly I bet FW of today can make a MUCH better dragon!
Made a Skirmish campaign system for AoS, I believe.
It caught the attention of someone within GW and he was snatched from his family. After a series of strenuous and ofttimes fatal physical trials, he was the last aspirant standing. Then came the arcane regimen of surgeries, gene therapy and hypnotic conditioning. Once again he survived and now he stands before us an Adeptus Designus.
He was a member of Dakka. (Maybe he still is, but I am guessing he is not allowed to use it.) While he was a member of Dakka, he was really passionate about Age of Sigmar and was on the AoS forums a lot. Oh and his miniature painting was marvelous as well.
nels1031 wrote: Made a Skirmish campaign system for AoS, I believe.
It caught the attention of someone within GW and he was snatched from his family. After a series of strenuous and ofttimes fatal physical trials, he was the last aspirant standing. Then came the arcane regimen of surgeries, gene therapy and hypnotic conditioning. Once again he survived and now he stands before us an Adeptus Designus.
I do miss Bottle's Avatar's though. Not as good as JDogs (sorry I got your name wrong) but Bottle's came to a good second.
Back to Age of Sigmar. Did we get any new announcements on new armies? I thought I recalled reading two more new battletomes will be out. Do we know what they are?
Davor wrote: I do miss Bottle's Avatar's though. Not as good as JDogs (sorry I got your name wrong) but Bottle's came to a good second.
Back to Age of Sigmar. Did we get any new announcements on new armies? I thought I recalled reading two more new battletomes will be out. Do we know what they are?
Only ones we know of are Nighthaunt and Stormcast.
The only two announced were the new Stormcast chamber and Nighthaunts. We do have rumors of Moonclan Grots and Slaanesh (and possibly Darkoath Barbarians), but those are just rumors at this point.
Unless I've missed it somewhere, has GW officially announced a new Stormcast battletome? I know we all know its coming with the new Sacrosanct models and the current battletome being on last chance to buy but has GW said anything about it yet?
Ghaz wrote: Unless I've missed it somewhere, has GW officially announced a new Stormcast battletome? I know we all know its coming with the new Sacrosanct models and the current battletome being on last chance to buy but has GW said anything about it yet?
I want to say it was when they announced Nighthaunt. Can't say for sure--just that it was a thing they mentioned.
Ghaz wrote: Unless I've missed it somewhere, has GW officially announced a new Stormcast battletome? I know we all know its coming with the new Sacrosanct models and the current battletome being on last chance to buy but has GW said anything about it yet?
I want to say it was when they announced Nighthaunt. Can't say for sure--just that it was a thing they mentioned.
You mean the Sacrosanct reveal trailer? It mentions the Sacrosanct Chamber, but not a battletome.
I'm actually looking forward to this way more than I expected. Having seen the previewed model and rulebook at my local GW I have a lot of rekindled excitement for fantasy. Not sure what army I'm going to go for but the rulebook was a solid 2/3s fluff so plenty of inspiration to draw from.
Ghaz wrote: Unless I've missed it somewhere, has GW officially announced a new Stormcast battletome? I know we all know its coming with the new Sacrosanct models and the current battletome being on last chance to buy but has GW said anything about it yet?
I want to say it was when they announced Nighthaunt. Can't say for sure--just that it was a thing they mentioned.
You mean the Sacrosanct reveal trailer? It mentions the Sacrosanct Chamber, but not a battletome.
Spoiler:
No, the actual discussion surrounding it. Sorry that I don't have exact links/quotes, but I feel like it was definitely something they mentioned?
Also, nobody will forget the Sacrosanct reveal trailer. THE HELL I CAN'T!
I actually still don’t believe that’s a GW trailer. For years, the trailers have been...nothing. This one is so awesome, it blows away anything they’ve previously done in a trailer. And probably the trailers by any of their competitors.
Ghaz wrote: Unless I've missed it somewhere, has GW officially announced a new Stormcast battletome? I know we all know its coming with the new Sacrosanct models and the current battletome being on last chance to buy but has GW said anything about it yet?
I want to say it was when they announced Nighthaunt. Can't say for sure--just that it was a thing they mentioned.
You mean the Sacrosanct reveal trailer? It mentions the Sacrosanct Chamber, but not a battletome.
Spoiler:
Easily the best - and funniest - trailer GW has put out. We STILL laugh about it at my local store.
Ghaz wrote: Unless I've missed it somewhere, has GW officially announced a new Stormcast battletome? I know we all know its coming with the new Sacrosanct models and the current battletome being on last chance to buy but has GW said anything about it yet?
I want to say it was when they announced Nighthaunt. Can't say for sure--just that it was a thing they mentioned.
Let's put it in more realistic terms; do we have any evidence there isn't going to be a new Stormcast battletome?
Ghaz wrote: Unless I've missed it somewhere, has GW officially announced a new Stormcast battletome? I know we all know its coming with the new Sacrosanct models and the current battletome being on last chance to buy but has GW said anything about it yet?
I want to say it was when they announced Nighthaunt. Can't say for sure--just that it was a thing they mentioned.
Let's put it in more realistic terms; do we have any evidence there isn't going to be a new Stormcast battletome?
No, but that's what's weird about it. There is absolutely going to be a new Stormcast battletome, or at least a Sacrosanct Chamber battletome, but I don't think it's actually been announced. Seriously. Can anyone link to an official announcement from GW?
Ghaz wrote: Unless I've missed it somewhere, has GW officially announced a new Stormcast battletome? I know we all know its coming with the new Sacrosanct models and the current battletome being on last chance to buy but has GW said anything about it yet?
I want to say it was when they announced Nighthaunt. Can't say for sure--just that it was a thing they mentioned.
Let's put it in more realistic terms; do we have any evidence there isn't going to be a new Stormcast battletome?
No, but that's what's weird about it. There is absolutely going to be a new Stormcast battletome, or at least a Sacrosanct Chamber battletome, but I don't think it's actually been announced. Seriously. Can anyone link to an official announcement from GW?
In the recent interview on warhammer live, the eavy metal painter Max said that there are lots of different colour schemes for the sacrosanct in the new battletome. So there's your confirmation.
On the podcast, I think it was episode 10, the one they talk about order. I'm sure they mentioned the Stormcast battle tome. They mentioned a Stormcast endless spell called the Comet which is apparently very strong.
No, this is Bottle, Sam Pearson. A quick google shows it. Maybe he got married or something. Anyway, I wish him all th best, a great guy by all accounts
AndrewGPaul wrote: Never mind that nonsense, what about the Warhammer Fire Dragon? Unlikely I know, since it's not been on sale for ages, but still ...
Honestly I bet FW of today can make a MUCH better dragon!
They haven't bettered it with all the other dragons they've done since. The one the Amethyst wizard was riding was a close second, but I've never been a fan of that vertical pose. All the others are nice, but they're a something dragon - toad, chaos, sea creature, whatever. And of course, none of them are available to Order, so I can't stick them in with my Highborn.
AndrewGPaul wrote: Never mind that nonsense, what about the Warhammer Fire Dragon? Unlikely I know, since it's not been on sale for ages, but still ...
Honestly I bet FW of today can make a MUCH better dragon!
They haven't bettered it with all the other dragons they've done since. The one the Amethyst wizard was riding was a close second, but I've never been a fan of that vertical pose. All the others are nice, but they're a something dragon - toad, chaos, sea creature, whatever. And of course, none of them are available to Order, so I can't stick them in with my Highborn.
I’ve always been thinking for a fantasy minis company they’ve been weirdly lacking in having a straight up no-frills big dragon model.
