Evilref - Doesn't the fact though that they still release miniatures like this tell you something?
Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that others feel the same way, and as I said in my previous post regardless of your feelings it's been a part of CB's Infinity aesthetic since the very beginning. It's not like they've just let some mentalist loose with the design who has just said 'boobs and ass lololol' and then proceeded to throw out a bunch of completely irrelevant style art and miniatures..
Maybe watching too much Manga as a kid, it takes considerably more than this to shock me or make me think of it as 'gratuitous'
remember, guys, "cheesecake crap" and "still not good" are just your personal opinions...
some of us disagree...
i find all of the Infinity "cheesecake" minis to be very mild, and not at all offensive...
so, stating your opinions as if they are fact is just as fallacious...
i am personally very happy that the Bootleg line will have some pin-ups, just as i'm happy about the Scarface dio, and the battle damaged minis...
the theme for July is TAGs, and will have a male mini in the first set of releases...
a later theme is said to be battle damaged, and i'm sure it will have a couple sexy ladies, as well as Yojimbo, a male...
much ado about nothing, as far as i'm concerned...
PsychoticStorm wrote: The plan is to have themed months related to the bootleg line, this one is TAG pilots, some of the other ones mentioned was Battle damaged and non combat personalities.
Like Frank, the prolific pants stealing sex offender.
Evilref wrote: While I'm glad to see CB feeling able to do more collectors miniatures, it sucks that they've chosen to go for such gratuitous miniatures; 'pan-o pilot adjusting her stockings', really...really?
Being if you look around on CMON you will find models in the throws of hardcore bondage I believe that CB conducted themselves in an artistic level.
Just because there are worse examples in the genre, doesn't let CB off the hook. They've put out gratuitous cheesecake images. There've been multiple threads on this topic, and direct emails to them so they're certainly aware of the negative reactions (and message it sends about their game/hobby) that come from them doing this.
The argument of 'it's not as bad as X' is fallacious reasoning and doesn't hold up (sure, it's not as bad as some others, it's still not good though).
Simple answer then...don't buy them. Done and done!
Evilref wrote: While I'm glad to see CB feeling able to do more collectors miniatures, it sucks that they've chosen to go for such gratuitous miniatures; 'pan-o pilot adjusting her stockings', really...really?
Being if you look around on CMON you will find models in the throws of hardcore bondage I believe that CB conducted themselves in an artistic level.
Just because there are worse examples in the genre, doesn't let CB off the hook. They've put out gratuitous cheesecake images. There've been multiple threads on this topic, and direct emails to them so they're certainly aware of the negative reactions (and message it sends about their game/hobby) that come from them doing this.
The argument of 'it's not as bad as X' is fallacious reasoning and doesn't hold up (sure, it's not as bad as some others, it's still not good though).
Simple answer then...don't buy them. Done and done!
But also talk about it here, because otherwise this would be a very boring forum!
Evilref wrote: While I'm glad to see CB feeling able to do more collectors miniatures, it sucks that they've chosen to go for such gratuitous miniatures; 'pan-o pilot adjusting her stockings', really...really?
Being if you look around on CMON you will find models in the throws of hardcore bondage I believe that CB conducted themselves in an artistic level.
Just because there are worse examples in the genre, doesn't let CB off the hook. They've put out gratuitous cheesecake images. There've been multiple threads on this topic, and direct emails to them so they're certainly aware of the negative reactions (and message it sends about their game/hobby) that come from them doing this.
The argument of 'it's not as bad as X' is fallacious reasoning and doesn't hold up (sure, it's not as bad as some others, it's still not good though).
They've offered a choice between cheesecake models and non-cheesecake models. That's a hell of a lot more then what you can say about the other companies catering to the cheesecake loving crowd.
And what decent human being doesn't want his cheerleader squad to be sexy, I ask you?
Pacific wrote: Evilref - Doesn't the fact though that they still release miniatures like this tell you something?
It tells me that they are just as guilty of playing to their sales numbers as Games Workshop or EA or Activision.
And CB make absolutely no bones about the fact that they make mins like that because they are extermely popular/ good sellers. Would you prefer that they made minis that nobody wanted to buy? Or maybe they should only make minis that you like and ignore the market for everything else? At the end of the day CB is business and if cheesecake sells they will make cheesecake models whether everyone likes it or not. (and just for the record i am not a cheesecake fan).
Pacific wrote: Evilref - Doesn't the fact though that they still release miniatures like this tell you something?
It tells me that they are just as guilty of playing to their sales numbers as Games Workshop or EA or Activision.
I made a mistake in writing that line, as really it is secondary.
'cheesecake' is part of anime/mange heritage, it is part of it and has been part of CB since the very beginning. I don't think they are just adding boobs and asses to try and make sales.
Pacific wrote: Evilref - Doesn't the fact though that they still release miniatures like this tell you something?
It tells me that they are just as guilty of playing to their sales numbers as Games Workshop or EA or Activision.
I made a mistake in writing that line, as really it is secondary.
'cheesecake' is part of anime/manga heritage, it is part of it and has been part of CB since the very beginning. I don't think they are just adding boobs and asses to try and make sales.
Except they are. The statement was flatout made that the decision for the PanO tech to look like she does because "it would not sell if she looked professional or like a soldier".
Honestly I would have had far less of an issue if they had done all the models like the Maghariba Guard model where the 'cheesecake' is implied rather than just thrown in your face like it is with the Nomad, PanO, and YuJing models.
They did not show the models for those concepts, but given how close the models are to the concepts for any/all Infinity models it is not an unreasonable assumption.
Pacific wrote: Evilref - Doesn't the fact though that they still release miniatures like this tell you something?
It tells me that they are just as guilty of playing to their sales numbers as Games Workshop or EA or Activision.
I made a mistake in writing that line, as really it is secondary.
'cheesecake' is part of anime/manga heritage, it is part of it and has been part of CB since the very beginning. I don't think they are just adding boobs and asses to try and make sales.
Except they are. The statement was flatout made that the decision for the PanO tech to look like she does because "it would not sell if she looked professional or like a soldier".
I think while there are occasions when companies shamelessly just throw out whatever makes them the most money, at times it just so happens to coincide with their original artistic vision and intention so that there isn't compromise. Looking at CB's track record, watching those videos and seeing the thought and effort that goes into the creation of a new miniature, is it not possible to concede that this is one of those occasions?
The bootleg series doesn´t do much for me so far. But plenty of people seem to like them and if it helps to finance the maingame properly, I don´t complain. I just want my Hexa with combirifle. ^^
Pacific wrote: Evilref - Doesn't the fact though that they still release miniatures like this tell you something?
It tells me that they are just as guilty of playing to their sales numbers as Games Workshop or EA or Activision.
Damn them for carry about a profit. I mean it is not like CB likes themself, they must hate having to make models that are cheese cake, only caring about there bottom line. Or it could be they like them and like the BoW video were they say they like the designs and not every thing is for us. As he said "that way you still have money in your wallet", there way of saying, you don't have to like just don't buy it. But you must be right it can only be about sell nothing else.
Evilref wrote: While I'm glad to see CB feeling able to do more collectors miniatures, it sucks that they've chosen to go for such gratuitous miniatures; 'pan-o pilot adjusting her stockings', really...really?
Being if you look around on CMON you will find models in the throws of hardcore bondage I believe that CB conducted themselves in an artistic level.
Just because there are worse examples in the genre, doesn't let CB off the hook. They've put out gratuitous cheesecake images. There've been multiple threads on this topic, and direct emails to them so they're certainly aware of the negative reactions (and message it sends about their game/hobby) that come from them doing this.
The argument of 'it's not as bad as X' is fallacious reasoning and doesn't hold up (sure, it's not as bad as some others, it's still not good though).
Why do you think that there is more negative reactions than positive ones to their new line? Sex sells.
Just like with Hasslefree, I'm of the opinion that if they want to make cheesecake models, they should go right ahead. More money and audience for CB means Infinity will be around longer and I'll be happy.
I'm not the target audience, but the money they get will allow CB to produce models that I do care about.
They're taking a risk with something unconventional: models that aren't strictly for gameplay purposes. I hope it succeeds and they make more risks.
Kilkrazy wrote: At some point the main game is "done". Despite its name, there can't be an infinite number of different units and models worth playing.
There are however a large chunk of different units and profiles which do not have models--and that is not including TAGs.
Also worth mentioning that they are not opposed to adding new units without releasing a new book.
Look at the Authorized Bounty Hunters for example.
All it will do is pull sculpting resources from the main game.
It's odd. I think I've already made that argument in detail somewhere else...
It goes like this:
If you don't like the Bootleg model's you're supposed to complain because:
1. The Bootleg models take sculptor time and effort.
2. That sculptor time and effort could have been used to make models you want.
3. Therefore the Bootleg models are the reason why you don't have your unreleased models yet.
So, naturally, if you're focused on the idea that CB exists to provide the miniatures that you want (a hypothesis at best dubious, given your history of complaining about their continued aesthetic choices), then, of course, the production of more models won't "help anything".
On the other hand, if the line succeeds, brings in a lot of money for the company, and as a result they hire more sculptors and designers, then... But that's just speculation by someone like me who doesn't run a miniatures company.
One of the things that you might expect it to do is allow CB to tell its artists "No, you can't do that model like that for the main line of miniatures for the game. They're doing that for the specialty line." Or give the people who want to buy that sort of thing something to buy. Sort of like Privateer Press's Extreme model variants, or the Bombadier Bombshell and Druid Gone Wilder models.
I guess I was too...vague/nice/clever by half before?
As this is exactly the tangent I was hoping to avoid in this thread?
And...deja vu all over again, anyone? (Yogi!)
If anyone feels the need to discuss the world bending implications, or not, of 'Cheesecake' in Infinity, head on down to the INFINITY sub-forum and have at it!
Evilref wrote: While I'm glad to see CB feeling able to do more collectors miniatures, it sucks that they've chosen to go for such gratuitous miniatures; 'pan-o pilot adjusting her stockings', really...really?
Being if you look around on CMON you will find models in the throws of hardcore bondage I believe that CB conducted themselves in an artistic level.
Just because there are worse examples in the genre, doesn't let CB off the hook. They've put out gratuitous cheesecake images. There've been multiple threads on this topic, and direct emails to them so they're certainly aware of the negative reactions (and message it sends about their game/hobby) that come from them doing this.
The argument of 'it's not as bad as X' is fallacious reasoning and doesn't hold up (sure, it's not as bad as some others, it's still not good though).
Wait, we are all in the wargaming hobby, right? The hobby which very often depicts imagery of ridiculous violence, with models standing on piles of broken corpses while they offer freshly decapitated heads to whatever entity/god/elder being that model is supposed to fight for?
And of all things gratuitous in the hobby, you decide to complain about CB cheesecakery?
Edit : Sorry, Alpha, didn't see your post before writting this one in...
I'll avoid further derailing this thread in respect toward Alpha, but I'll simply say that the amount of assumptions and condescension, as well as the insinuated accusation of 'being a creeper' or a 'misogyne' makes it clear you are not searching for a healthy debate on the subject.
I love the Maghariba Guard one. I was actually trying to figure out what to use as a Maghariba pilot the other day, since I have the TAG on order at my FLGS. That pilot will work nicely. I understand it's meant to be more of a display peice, but it's certainly useable as an ejected pilot.
OK guys and possibly gals come on.Alph has asked several times to cut this type of argument out so let's respect the mods wishes. We all get it some of you hate them and that's OK just don't buy them. Obviously CB feels these are a worthwhile investment otherwise they wouldn't be doing them. With that let's just all move past it and leave this for new releases please.
How will these bootleg ones be priced do we know? Does CB have some habit of pricing 'specialist models' higher than normal models, or can we expect them to be on par with other models their size? Or is it pure speculation up until the day preorders open up
motyak wrote: How will these bootleg ones be priced do we know? Does CB have some habit of pricing 'specialist models' higher than normal models, or can we expect them to be on par with other models their size? Or is it pure speculation up until the day preorders open up
So far CB prices all there models based on cost to produce. I don't see this being any different. Saying that it look like there will be more metal then the standard range for the same size base, so likely a few bucks more then the stanard range.
motyak wrote: How will these bootleg ones be priced do we know? Does CB have some habit of pricing 'specialist models' higher than normal models, or can we expect them to be on par with other models their size? Or is it pure speculation up until the day preorders open up
So far CB prices all there models based on cost to produce. I don't see this being any different.
Good to hear, means I'm more likely to be able to afford all of these barring scarface and pan-o (since I'm getting the shiny artbook as well).
So it'll be between, say, the SAS CRAP (just a plain bloke) and the Cateran (who has that big-ass ornamental base). Most likely, that is.
Well call me a greedy bastard but I wanted to see some nice deals on infinity week, as it stands all news are fine and nice but it was really a missed chance. A bit of a boring week to be honest.
Bootleg range seems interesting and I find some of the claims that this range will be draining infinity resources etc awkward...
Really... How so? I mean I have been following infinity from almost its beginning when no one talked about it and one thing they are quite consistent with is: new outstanding minis each and every single month to cover most factions.
As for anime females on infinity, who would have ever guessed to see some of those in an anime miniature game hey?
NAVARRO wrote: Well call me a greedy bastard but I wanted to see some nice deals on infinity week, as it stands all news are fine and nice but it was really a missed chance. A bit of a boring week to be honest.
Agreed, though I wonder if CB has gotten Infinity the point that deals like that aren't necessary- there's a large enough group of people playing at clubs around the world that people don't need super army deals to inspire them to get into the game.
NAVARRO wrote: Well call me a greedy bastard but I wanted to see some nice deals on infinity week, as it stands all news are fine and nice but it was really a missed chance. A bit of a boring week to be honest.
Yes.. shame there wasn't the deals that we have had with previous weekends, but I have to say I found the videos immensely interesting - and have really enthused me about the game, so I guess they were successful in that regard!
What else would you have liked to have seen during the week?
NAVARRO wrote: Well call me a greedy bastard but I wanted to see some nice deals on infinity week, as it stands all news are fine and nice but it was really a missed chance. A bit of a boring week to be honest.
Agreed, though I wonder if CB has gotten Infinity the point that deals like that aren't necessary- there's a large enough group of people playing at clubs around the world that people don't need super army deals to inspire them to get into the game.
I mentioned it before, but their reasoning is that they always end up having to play 'catch up' on their stock chain side after the army deals.
That anaconda TAG looks really cool. I'd probably do a quick head swap as I'm not liking the head but the rest is quite spiffy. Is there a gallery online somewhere showing the inifinity minis in an easy to look at format? The few times I've been to the official infinity website the massive amount of flash animation is incredibly annoying and takes too long.
This is a very interesting post from Bostria in the official forums:
Hello.
Just trying to help you, guys, if you have any doubt about the structure of the Artbook.
Now that we have these previews I can easily show you how does the Artbook goes.
Let's iamgine that we are in the Yu Jing chapter:
First double page.
At one side we will find a brief text and a speed painting, these are like the horizontal enviromental paintings from Campaign Paradiso, that kind of image. At the other side we will find a cover.
Then we will get into troops design with the lay out that you have just seen, skteches & designs at one side and the final artwork at the other side, very little text.
This lay out repeats three more times:
And then we get to the final dfesign, this one has a few more pages for sketches and final versions.
This would be the structure of a faction chapter in the book.
Then there will be a few extras at the final pages.
I hope this post would have been useful for all of you.
New Alph would be happy with those Jotum pics! And makes me really want to try and make a Svalarheim-themed Pan-O force, complete with snow bases..
Really cool to see some of the concept sketches!
Thanks. It is alot easier now to look through. Before, the animations were just too damn long and you had to watch each one multiple times just to go from one unit to the next. It reminded me of the proliferation of animated gifs in the mid 90's and how they'd clog both the 56k modems and the pentium processors.
I'm going to rehost some photos on Dakka for the workblocked.
“The Anaconda is a Nomad mechanized squadron that was at one point disbanded and successfully re-purposed as an independent mercenary unit, eventually signing contracts all over the Sphere. It was the Anacondas who served as an armed escort for the famed Alcinoe Expedition that managed to open the Gantvoort Route by successfully warding off the constant attacks of that satellite’s separatist groups. The Squadron saw action in each stage of the NeoColonial Wars, during which they worked for nearly every side, and in the Ariadnan Commercial Conflicts too. But despite the Squadron’s undeniable achievements, the very existence of an independent, private mechanized unit beggars belief, unless it receives support from a hidden hand. A hand that might very well be clad in black…”
My favourite Infinity miniature so far! Not just as it comes but for the conversion possibilities I'm seeing. This is probably my favourite miniature from any company actually but I'll give it some time to sink in on me before I put that in stone. I did squee a little though.
warboss wrote: Do manned TAGs always have the pilot min-me arms sticking out like that?
Some do some don't. It's usually the older models that don't have the pilot arms.
Not a fan of the swinging sword, it's the one thing that irks me about some of their models. I can understand ninjas and Morats walking around with melee weapons but it's a shooting game. It's weird adding the sword guy just for a dynamic pose.
Ruined the look of Scarface, Reverand Moiras and Hassasin Ragiks for me.
The vast majority, that means all manned TAGS except Guigia ans Szalamandra have their master arms exposed, the first two have them enclosed (and have a considerable torso radius) as they are more advanced versions.
That anaconda is a thing of beauty. I like everything about it: the high "collar" around the neck, the sword pose, and even the exposed pilot arms. Am I the only one who genuinely prefers them with the arms showing?
As for the missing spitfire, I wonder how it would look with a mech-scale rifle or pistol from Paulson holstered somehow.
Thanks for the replies. The mini me arms aren't neccesarily a deal breaker but I'm definitely not a fan of them either. Luckily, I have about 6 months to make up my mind.
Alpharius wrote:I was trying to think of which piloted T.A.G.'s didn't have the exposed pilot arms, so thanks PS!
Though I have to ask, what's a "Guigia"?
Sorry for that Guijia, the Yu Jing main TAG.
warboss wrote:Thanks for the replies. The mini me arms aren't neccesarily a deal breaker but I'm definitely not a fan of them either. Luckily, I have about 6 months to make up my mind.
The best thing with master arms is how easily they can be omitted, their fill the attachment hole and make it smooth, or make it an orb and create a round area or fill the peg inside the hole and leave it as a cavity.
Chaplain Pallantide wrote: Hey Alpharius is Empchild game for more ninja shopping? These latest pictures make me salivate more and more!
Ya Alpha am I able to do a little ninja shopping? I reiterate if I can get more then one I will if not alph gets first dibs as he is a member on my store and that says a lot as I am dreaming of painting one of these.
medusa wrote: Ah! CB kills my wallet...I have to resist but I love the model...I hope we´ll see a Merc Army...I like the merc´s TAG style very much.
Then you will love the next rule book, atleast 2 Merc Company lists for sure, and a chance at a few more in that book.
I think I´ll hate the next book...CB makes me buy too much stuff. When Tohaa came out I started my third army, but the Merc stuff is to sweet not get it...
I must remind myself not to check any Infinity related threads... I still don't play it but I just feel like throwing massive quantities of money at CB for almost all of the miniatures. I can almost hear their voices, asking me to paint them.
TheDraconicLord wrote: I must remind myself not to check any Infinity related threads... I still don't play it but I just feel like throwing massive quantities of money at CB for almost all of the miniatures. I can almost hear their voices, asking me to paint them.
medusa wrote: Ah! CB kills my wallet...I have to resist but I love the model...I hope we´ll see a Merc Army...I like the merc´s TAG style very much.
Then you will love the next rule book, atleast 2 Merc Company lists for sure, and a chance at a few more in that book.
I think I´ll hate the next book...CB makes me buy too much stuff. When Tohaa came out I started my third army, but the Merc stuff is to sweet not get it...
Seem we hate CB for the same reason. I'm getting tired of cup-of-noddles ever meal .
I own the whole Nomad line plus a ton of mercs and a lot of duplicates. At this point I just consider a Nomad or really cool Merc release as my monthly tithing to the CB gods. It's not really optional at this point to me lol.
Never played but I've certainly invested $100s to date. It's a boon in a way that I don't play, cause I'm not confined to collecting from only certain groups, but again... hundreds of dollars. I believe Tohaa is the only group I don't have anything from right now, but they'll be part of the next buying wave no doubt.
greywulf wrote: Never played but I've certainly invested $100s to date.
I feel your pain, but another way to look at this is this: if it was other games you were collecting miniatures for, what you've said could easily mean "I've started an army, but still don't have enough miniatures to play."
I can see this not working out quite well if you've collected minis that don't form an army very well, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if after spending "$100s" you already have enough miniatures to put together two teams and play an introductory game with a friend at least.
Erasoketa wrote: It really cool, but shouldn't the TAG have a Spitfire somewhere too?
Blame anime!
It is irksome that they did not give it a cool firing pose with the sword sheathed on its shoulder.
Looks like that might be pretty easily addressed. Chop the Spitfire off of the pilot, mount it on the TAG's left fist, pistol-grip (appropriate for how small it will look I think). Bend the arm out slightly, as well as the pilot-arm, to point where the head is looking (and/or reposition the head slightly if it's a separate bit). Voila, sword/pistol-wielding TAG!
There's frankly not a ton of converting in the Infinity world, but if you're good enough to do it (and lots of pre-plastic/Failcast 40K modellers are/were), you can produce some really cool results.
Speaking of which, there's a conversion of the Guijia out there that uses Eldar arm-bitz (Dire Avengers?) to add pilot arms. I'll be making the mod myself once I get mine assembled. Looks -really- cool!
JOHIRA wrote: I feel your pain, but another way to look at this is this: if it was other games you were collecting miniatures for, what you've said could easily mean "I've started an army, but still don't have enough miniatures to play."
I can see this not working out quite well if you've collected minis that don't form an army very well, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if after spending "$100s" you already have enough miniatures to put together two teams and play an introductory game with a friend at least.
I'm certain I have enough for a Haqqislam force and possibly an Aleph force. I find them all-round to be the most aesthetically pleasing.
The biggest problem, as I guess most of us agree on, is that CBs latest stuff just keeps getting better. These upcoming Bootleg minis will probably be the end of me...
Erasoketa wrote: It really cool, but shouldn't the TAG have a Spitfire somewhere too?
Blame anime!
It is irksome that they did not give it a cool firing pose with the sword sheathed on its shoulder.
Looks like that might be pretty easily addressed. Chop the Spitfire off of the pilot, mount it on the TAG's left fist, pistol-grip (appropriate for how small it will look I think). Bend the arm out slightly, as well as the pilot-arm, to point where the head is looking (and/or reposition the head slightly if it's a separate bit). Voila, sword/pistol-wielding TAG!
There's frankly not a ton of converting in the Infinity world, but if you're good enough to do it (and lots of pre-plastic/Failcast 40K modellers are/were), you can produce some really cool results.
Speaking of which, there's a conversion of the Guijia out there that uses Eldar arm-bitz (Dire Avengers?) to add pilot arms. I'll be making the mod myself once I get mine assembled. Looks -really- cool!
The concept art show the answer to the Spitfire. It is part of the HMG and comes apart when the operator ejects.
Converting Infinity isn't easy - it's fine saying old 40k vets should have the skills, but Infinity models are significantly smaller and more fragile than the bulky heroic scale GW stuff.
Cutting away part of a metal arm on a GW model is easy, because the arms on GW models are as thick as the legs on Infinity models.
-Loki- wrote: Converting Infinity isn't easy - it's fine saying old 40k vets should have the skills, but Infinity models are significantly smaller and more fragile than the bulky heroic scale GW stuff.
Cutting away part of a metal arm on a GW model is easy, because the arms on GW models are as thick as the legs on Infinity models.
Not just that but many of the models are done in such a way that they are obnoxious.
The male Wildcats from the Corregidor starter box for example have the left hand molded onto the rifle's grip but not attached to the arm itself.
Those two models have been giving me fits for a few weeks now as they do not want to align properly even after pinning.
-Loki- wrote: Converting Infinity isn't easy - it's fine saying old 40k vets should have the skills, but Infinity models are significantly smaller and more fragile than the bulky heroic scale GW stuff.
Cutting away part of a metal arm on a GW model is easy, because the arms on GW models are as thick as the legs on Infinity models.
Not just that but many of the models are done in such a way that they are obnoxious.
The male Wildcats from the Corregidor starter box for example have the left hand molded onto the rifle's grip but not attached to the arm itself.
Those two models have been giving me fits for a few weeks now as they do not want to align properly even after pinning.
Ugh I am also not a fan of these types. I don't have the Wildcat model you are talking about, but it sounds identical to the Reverend Custodier w/ Boarding Shotgun model. I have been struggling with this one.
-Loki- wrote: Converting Infinity isn't easy - it's fine saying old 40k vets should have the skills, but Infinity models are significantly smaller and more fragile than the bulky heroic scale GW stuff.
Cutting away part of a metal arm on a GW model is easy, because the arms on GW models are as thick as the legs on Infinity models.
Actually, gotta disagree with that. While the more fine detail makes wide cuts require some re-sculpting, once you've resigned yourself to some greenstuff work it isn't too bad. I find the thinner arms easier to cut through with blades instead of having to Dremmel, which is nice. Finding bitz with enough detail to kitbash new parts is hard though- 40K bitz are hammy and useless for the most part.
I've done a couple CB conversions now- simple weapon swaps on JSA and Celestial Guard, then created a second Kuang shi controller Celestial Guard, magnetized a few options for drones, and am now on a much more difficult project (converting an O-Yoroi into a second pose so I can field two in my JSA force). The only thing that's been really challenging so far is the non-infantry models, IMO.
Back on the Anaconda, I didn't realize that the Spitfire was part of the HMG! Cool! Although that would make building it back up into HMG form to attach to the TAG kind of a pain...
-Loki- wrote: Converting Infinity isn't easy - it's fine saying old 40k vets should have the skills, but Infinity models are significantly smaller and more fragile than the bulky heroic scale GW stuff.
Cutting away part of a metal arm on a GW model is easy, because the arms on GW models are as thick as the legs on Infinity models.
Not just that but many of the models are done in such a way that they are obnoxious.
The male Wildcats from the Corregidor starter box for example have the left hand molded onto the rifle's grip but not attached to the arm itself.
Those two models have been giving me fits for a few weeks now as they do not want to align properly even after pinning.
Ugh I am also not a fan of these types. I don't have the Wildcat model you are talking about, but it sounds identical to the Reverend Custodier w/ Boarding Shotgun model. I have been struggling with this one.
Be thankful you never did the old Odalisque with boarding shotgun. Poor girl needed an entire right mastectomy to get the left arm to meet the hand under the shotgun barrel.
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Savnock wrote: Actually, gotta disagree with that. While the more fine detail makes wide cuts require some re-sculpting, once you've resigned yourself to some greenstuff work it isn't too bad. I find the thinner arms easier to cut through with blades instead of having to Dremmel, which is nice. Finding bitz with enough detail to kitbash new parts is hard though- 40K bitz are hammy and useless for the most part.
The problem dooesn't come from needing to resculpt, but the fragility of the bits themselves. I nearly broke my rifle Ragik off his base tab just cleaning it. The models are thin and fragile, which makes conversion work a lot harder.
PsychoticStorm wrote: Yes, some models need careful test fit before gluing, but breaking parts while cleaning them
The connection point of the toe to the base tab is about 1.5mm wide. Supporting the whole model. It's not very sturdy. I also didn't quite break it - it just bent very sharply. I'm considering running a pin through it, but I'm not sure yet.
it was a well known problem with that model. Basically, to get the arms to line up, you need to remove the entire right breast so the shotgun arm fits properly.
it's slso the reason there's a shotgun model in the fireteam box and that model was discontinued. They redesigned it and made it better - I grabbed the old model for variety of choice (I can run 2 shotgun Odalisques if I want).
I actually like the old model better, even though it has been hard to assemble. You didn't have to remove her wole breast, though. Just around half. And if you're really careful you can do it with a knife.
I think it's important to remember that everyone has different skills at different levels. Personally Infinity conversions don't remotely phase me and I enjoy the challenge of working with smaller details. The painting phases me a great deal though! I don't find it remotely perplexing that some people struggle converting the miniatures though. If you're good at cooking or speaking another language do you find it astounding that someone else might struggle? That applies the other way around too, if you struggle with something it shouldn't be a revelation that someone else can do it with ease.
I think the Anaconda is a great model! It concerns me that its a Merc model, though. It's usually difficult to include mercenaries in a squad, isn't it?
We laughed at GW letting their officers in power armour walk around with the head unprotected.
Now Infinity makes giant armoured walkers with driver arms unprotected. Hope they never make tanks, or the drivers legs will hang out
Kroothawk wrote: We laughed at GW letting their officers in power armour walk around with the head unprotected.
Now Infinity makes giant armoured walkers with driver arms unprotected. Hope they never make tanks, or the drivers legs will hang out
To be fair though:
Manned TAGs are rare within the Infinity universe. They are primarily used by factions which specialize in infowar/hacking.
Remote TAGs where the operator is miles away or in orbit are the norm.
Kroothawk wrote: We laughed at GW letting their officers in power armour walk around with the head unprotected.
Now Infinity makes giant armoured walkers with driver arms unprotected. Hope they never make tanks, or the drivers legs will hang out
To be fair though:
Manned TAGs are rare within the Infinity universe. They are primarily used by factions which specialize in infowar/hacking.
Remote TAGs where the operator is miles away or in orbit are the norm.
Plus the fact that TAGs with driver arms are nearly all old models (as in game time), the nations (not factions) that can afford Remote TAGs have remote TAGs.
Kroothawk wrote: We laughed at GW letting their officers in power armour walk around with the head unprotected.
Now Infinity makes giant armoured walkers with driver arms unprotected. Hope they never make tanks, or the drivers legs will hang out
To be fair though:
Manned TAGs are rare within the Infinity universe. They are primarily used by factions which specialize in infowar/hacking.
Remote TAGs where the operator is miles away or in orbit are the norm.
Plus the fact that TAGs with driver arms are nearly all old models (as in game time), the nations (not factions) that can afford Remote TAGs have remote TAGs.
Kroothawk was previously confused that the remote TAGs didn't have heads in human scale with the rest of their bodies. Something about this setting apparently confuses and angers him.
The drivers arms are not unprotected from small arms fire or shrapnel having at least the equivalent protection of a HI armour, given how a TAG would actually be posed on the battlefield its two huge arms would in general be in front on them anyway.
Its a vulnerability of the design, its a master harness been copied by the huge slave TAG, the pilot must be physically able to perform the acts the TAG will perform, legs can be easily covered, but the hands would require a huge torso, essentially what Gijia and Szalamander have.
redstripe wrote: I think the Anaconda is a great model! It concerns me that its a Merc model, though. It's usually difficult to include mercenaries in a squad, isn't it?
Depends. ITS rules don't allow Mercenaries, but I'm of the opinion ITS rules should stay at tournaments. For friendly games, there shouldn't be a problem with Mercenaries - they were made to be used, afterall.
That said, some lists can use the Anacondas. IIRC, Qapu Khalki and Nomads can take thm as simply part of their normal options.
Kroothawk wrote: We laughed at GW letting their officers in power armour walk around with the head unprotected.
Now Infinity makes giant armoured walkers with driver arms unprotected. Hope they never make tanks, or the drivers legs will hang out
Just so your aware I saw real life where the driver heads were hanging out of tanks and that was in downtown Mosul Iraq so lets not quibble over small stuff and love the quality of the product.
He's not quibbling but simply humorously bringing up an interesting tidbit that deservedly gets flak for another game... don't get worked up about it. Liking every single thing about infinity isn't a prereq for posting in this thread. Btw, those tank drivers CHOSE to stick their heads out; TAG pilots don't have a choice and their arms are flailing about unprotected no matter what.
warboss wrote: He's not quibbling but simply humorously bringing up an interesting tidbit that deservedly gets flak for another game... don't get worked up about it. Liking every single thing about infinity isn't a prereq for posting in this thread. Btw, those tank drivers CHOSE to stick their heads out; TAG pilots don't have a choice and their arms are flailing about unprotected no matter what.
Well when you build a tag 200-300 years in the future rember to keep their arms self contained.
Really though, those arms look like HI arms which often are like armour 5 or so already - anything heavy enough to smash through that would be quite unpleasant hitting a TAGs torso just the same. Okay, so joints can be an issue but that amount of handwavium tech I'm personally comfortable with tolerating, TBH
Honestly, no helmet isn't the same thing. We've got HI without their helmets already (De Fersen is a good example). That's more comparable to Space Marines going helmetless than TAGs.
The best comperison to 40k is the Dreadknight with its babycarrier in the front, which Infinity does far more sensibly. The only reason the arms are out of the body is because they need to be for mimicking movement. The Dreadknight just gives zero feths about sense and has the pilot sitting on front of the armoured chest. Granted, he's in Terminator armour, but it's still dumb.
Well, if we're going to be discussing the odd designs of TAGs, maybe someone could explain what's going on with the Raicho? Does the thing have two operators or something? You've got what looks like the operator's head up at the top, and then you've got the operator's arms down at the abdomen, but the two parts are way too far apart to a part of the same person. How does that work?
Barzam wrote: Well, if we're going to be discussing the odd designs of TAGs, maybe someone could explain what's going on with the Raicho? Does the thing have two operators or something? You've got what looks like the operator's head up at the top, and then you've got the operator's arms down at the abdomen, but the two parts are way too far apart to a part of the same person. How does that work?
The Raichos head just looks like a Morat head because it's meant to look like a big Morat because Morat.
Casey's Law wrote: I've decided I really want to add the Anaconda to my Nomads, what are the hopes that Bakunin will be able to take it as a standard option?
All I know is Qapu Khalki are the most likely list to get it, and that makes me immensely happy.
Casey's Law wrote: I've decided I really want to add the Anaconda to my Nomads, what are the hopes that Bakunin will be able to take it as a standard option?
All I know is Qapu Khalki are the most likely list to get it, and that makes me immensely happy.
Corregidor actually is.
Just saying, right now they have access to the most TAGs for the Nomad Sectorials.
Alpharius wrote: Those base styles don't seem to match up to your predictions.
They are, of course, predictions at this point.
But I can show my work for the chain of logic that led me to those predictions!
The base of two of the models match the style of the Maghariba Pilot's base.
The odd one out is the sandy base, and we do know that Scarface is supposed to be the only 'battle' diorama within the first range of Bootlegs so the sandy base makes sense for him.
If you look at the profile of the model on the sandy base as well it looks very Scarface-esque which matches the description(Joe disembarking from Scarface which is on the ground with a severed arm, etc)
The O-Yoroi model is supposed to be 'opening up' and having the pilot step out of the chest, which does match the silhouette of the model on the far right.
The Lizard model is supposed to have the pilot standing atop her TAG before entering it and with the way the Lizard is laid out it could theoretically be 'laying down' when the pilot has to get in.
Like you said: Predictions. But I am showing my work!
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The odd one out is the sandy base, and we do know that Scarface is supposed to be the only 'battle' diorama within the first range of Bootlegs so the sandy base makes sense for him.
If you look at the profile of the model on the sandy base as well it looks very Scarface-esque which matches the description(Joe disembarking from Scarface which is on the ground with a severed arm, etc)
The O-Yoroi model is supposed to be 'opening up' and having the pilot step out of the chest, which does match the silhouette of the model on the far right.
The Lizard model is supposed to have the pilot standing atop her TAG before entering it and with the way the Lizard is laid out it could theoretically be 'laying down' when the pilot has to get in.
Like you said: Predictions. But I am showing my work!
It's hard to believe but the one at the right is the PanO tech coolie. The other two are the Oyoroi pilot and Scarface. The Lizzard pilot comes in a small base.
Really? will be interesting to see how they fitted lizzys cockpit on the small base, Tech Coolie will be interesting she will probably be patching or stripping a TAG.
You know, I'm still glad they did the Maghariba pilot like that. Because I can totally just base it sandy like the rest of my force, and it'll look like the pilot ejected out of the bottom of the TAG and is getting off the seat. Perfectly good for a game peice.
There are two ALEPH models and a Combined Army model in there.
The rest do not even have their typical basing material clues.
I've got ALEPH as Atalanta and Spotbot, Combined Army as something Shasvastii because the weapon appears slightly organic.
I put up a different photo now that I added dots to for convenience's sake.
Red Dots are a boxed set.
Brown Dot is unknown; blister by itself. It could be the special Ectros character "Neema" for the Tohaa.
Black Dots are ALEPH; 95% sure it is Atalanta.
Green Dot is Combined Army; fairly sure it is Shasvastii.
Combined Army use the very distinctive glowy blue sand bases.
ALEPH use ship decking with a 'V' made out of plasticard on the base.
When you look at the Combined Army model and separate the extraneous blocking you can notice that the (in relation to the model, not your own) right arm is seemingly 'loose' while the left arm is holding something that looks like a Shasvastii weapon. The organic shape of the thing in the left arm seems to be a heavy weapon of some sort...so it could very well be the Gwailo with Heavy Rocket Launcher.
You can also see that there is a bit of a 'drape' hanging between the silhouetted legs which so far is a feature of the Gwailo and no other Shasvastii units.
The ALEPH models are interesting. When you look at them head on, it appears that there is a lengthened bit extending from the model proper which lines up with the ALEPH styled Sniper Rifle.
The second model is a very small model which just appears larger because the model behind and slightly to the left has its silhouetting merging with the other.
JohnnyM over on the official forums actually made a really good catch as well.
The bases on 4 of the 5 models in the back row use the 'blank' slotted bases which require you to cut out the slot yourself and which are a feature of a boxed set rather than blister packs at the moment.
JohnnyM over on the official forums actually made a really good catch as well.
The bases on 4 of the 5 models in the back row use the 'blank' slotted bases which require you to cut out the slot yourself and which are a feature of a boxed set rather than blister packs at the moment.
So there is at least one boxed set in there.
Actually I got those blank/cut-out-for-yourself bases in an Ikadron/Imetron blister just yesterday at GotW in Rotterdam, which has a really quick turnover on most infinity stuff, which would suggest they've started using them for blisters as well.
Just one anecdote, but it might be significant.
-Loki- wrote: Oh man, I hope they don't start using blank bases for everything. I hate having to cut slots into bases.
Seriously! I bought the Corregidor starter and I was very very jealous of my friends that bought the MRRF and Haqqislam boxes, which both came with regular bases. I assumed that my box was just a goof up, though. Is that actually a 'feature'?
-Loki- wrote: Oh man, I hope they don't start using blank bases for everything. I hate having to cut slots into bases.
I like them.
I just wish they'd stop using slots for the models themselves or make it so that when I cut the slots off they do not bend the model's legs a tiny bit.
Get a dremel. seriously, I just use a cutting wheel to take off slotta tabs nowadays - way easier and you can use it to grind the foot flat afterwards too, if you're careful not to break the disk.
Really, some power tools have their place in miniatures modeling.
On the bases: since not all tabs are as long or, for that matter, as thick, I'd prefer cutting my own slots. A hobby knife and cutting mat should be standard gear for everyone.
Really? IME clipping is the surest way to ruin toes etc. oh well, to each his own...
And lol no I'd never suggest dremeling base slots; that's just about the least practical possible way
Hah, yeah. I have the same problem. I take pliers straight into the middle of the tab, and the legs bend ever so slightly. Pretty much every time it's not a big deal to rebend the legs via pliers by using the remaining tab parts as contact points.
As an aside, I was looking around the forums, and someone pointed out the genius of the new bases. The circular section yousee is meant to house a magnet for those that are into magnetizing bases for storage. Genius.
Bear in mind that it appears the four in the front are different than the fifth in the back.
I have done some more sleuthing today to see how the various WIP shots look and line up with the models.
The Tohaa release? Now off the table. Their bases tend to be more cracked and look like rock.
Combined Army have a similar look to their bases.
Ariadna and Haqqislam have similar looking bases with the putty textured to look like flatlands.
-Loki- wrote: I've got a dremel. That doesn't mean I like cutting my own base slots.
He was actually referring to my statement about not wanting slotta tabs at all.
Taking a saw to it is easy, but after nearly ruining a foot before I prefer to just clip.
I just clip as well! Although I always take a good look at the model before I do so, just in case of any leg bendage (only realised one of my Haqq guys is going a Van-Damme style splits after I saw someone else's model! )
Not enough of a cape for scots guard and really, what would that second from the right have his hand leaning on? fake white blob? It seems as if it doesn't have the base extension you'd expect right beneath it so it might be fake.
The wings on the first one on the left would mean it's a Ragik if it were Haqqislam. We don't need a box with Ragiks, so I'd guess it's a box for someone else, and my bet is the Combined Army.
Bolognesus wrote: Not enough of a cape for scots guard and really, what would that second from the right have his hand leaning on? fake white blob? It seems as if it doesn't have the base extension you'd expect right beneath it so it might be fake.
Well, Scots Guards are differenced in 2nd and 1st Battalions. Some of them have cammo, and the others are linkable. So I'm assuming that the linkable ones wouldn't have cloacks.
They also have the usual preorder of just Artbook+Miranda for $34 USD.
Interesting, I wonder why they still have Marlene in stock.
Because the Warstore had to actually BUY the model from Corvus Belli.
With Campaign: Paradiso, they had to buy the figure separately to the books themselves. They ordered enough figures to go with the books, but Corvus Belli completely underestimated just how the reaction to the figure would be.
Purportedly the copy without Marlene outsold the copy with Marlene.
Purportedly the copy without Marlene outsold the copy with Marlene.
OK right mate.. whatever..
Considering they still have Marlenes to sell despite having a month when Campaign: Paradiso was out of stock and them putting Marlene up for sale during their Black Friday sale, I am inclined to believe it.
Seems legit. Interesting though - I mean, I also expected something better from both Marlene and Amanda, but they're not THAT bad, and definitely worth 5 USD more.
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Have a chat with Carlos Torres (creator of Infinity, lead conceptual designer and sculptor), Fernando Liste (creator of Infinity and sculptor), and Carlos Llauger AKA Bostria (conceptual and graphic designer).
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Looks like I am revising my predictions a bit. From left to right:
I have absolutely no clue what the Combined Army model could be. The profile looks about right for a Shasvastii with a cape, but it could easily be obscured for a Morat with something much heavier.
Agema Marksman with MSR and Agema Marksman with Mark 12
Something Yu Jingy. Maybe a Raiden?
Hmmm interesting, the plot thickens! That one on the right certainly looks pretty beefy.. wouldn't the raiden be a little more slight (as it's not an HI?)
When is Gencon? Would definitely recommend taking your rulebook along if you get the chance, I got a really cool little drawing of Saladin in mine last year.
Alkasyn - I suppose the issue is with whether you like the style of Go-go Marlene or not. Having painted the one I got its a beautifully sculpted little miniature that's for sure.
Pacific wrote: Hmmm interesting, the plot thickens! That one on the right certainly looks pretty beefy.. wouldn't the raiden be a little more slight (as it's not an HI?)
The Wildcats are beefy and they are Light Infantry.
The problem with the Raiden is that we do not know what they look like, not even a hinting of it. We just know it is from the Japanese Sectorial Army and that the Raiden are Specially Trained Troops with Limited Camo and heavy/special weapons.
Alkasyn - I suppose the issue is with whether you like the style of Go-go Marlene or not. Having painted the one I got its a beautifully sculpted little miniature that's for sure.
It is not even necessarily an issue of the "style".
It is the fact that it was a "Limited Edition Model" advertised as a perk for preordering Campaign: Paradiso, that ended up actually being "If you preorder the book through your retailer, they can buy a model that you can buy from them!".
Pacific wrote: Hmmm interesting, the plot thickens! That one on the right certainly looks pretty beefy.. wouldn't the raiden be a little more slight (as it's not an HI?)
When is Gencon? Would definitely recommend taking your rulebook along if you get the chance, I got a really cool little drawing of Saladin in mine last year.
Alkasyn - I suppose the issue is with whether you like the style of Go-go Marlene or not. Having painted the one I got its a beautifully sculpted little miniature that's for sure.
I also painted mine and am fairly happy with it, but she was not what I expected, TBH. She is in the vein of some other cheesy miniatures, though, like the Daktari, so I understand why people could not like her
It is not even necessarily an issue of the "style".
It is the fact that it was a "Limited Edition Model" advertised as a perk for preordering Campaign: Paradiso, that ended up actually being "If you preorder the book through your retailer, they can buy a model that you can buy from them!".
Wasn't a problem at my FLGS, I ordered the bundle, didn't have to pay extra for anything.
Same. GoGo was completely free when I got my preorder. If that means my FLGS owner paid for everyones model, that just makes him and his store more awesome.
I'm kind of glad there's not much left for Haqqislam, since I can catch up on previous releases. The only thing I can think of that's not gap filling missing profiles for old units is a Sekban box, and as others have said, the way Carlos talked about them sounded like something they were planning, but not being worked on yet.
Oh I doubt doubt it'll be by the end of the year, but that's still 6 months of releases. Haqqislam have pretty much everything aside from scattered missing profiles in older units. I don't think there's an unrepresented unit at all.
The way Carlos was talking about them, it sounded like they were further out than we expected, so I'd put them closer to the end of the year. I don't mind the rest being gap filling for units I might not want, if it gives me a chance to go back and buy some older stuff I want and catch up on painting.
Angel said he's going on holidays, so that lot of minis he's been painting are probably for august releases, in addition to this month's Bootleg stuff.
It would be easy to convert the Cutter with the addition of the PanO pseudo-pilot. Not so with the O-Yoroi or the others. Sigh, I wish I could put the Maghariba Guard inside an actual Maghariba.
Is it just me or does the Lizard Pilot's face look a bit... strange? Is it just the angle?
I mostly agree with Alpharius. I'm not as excited as I was initially; I think the Haqqislam pilot and Scarface are good... PanO one is growing on me (slowly)... The nomad does have a slightly odd face but I'm wondering if they tried to add some feline characteristics to her. Even though I'm not as thrilled with the line as when they announced it, I still have no issue with them doing the bootleg line even if it takes away from them working on the main line; variety is the spice of life.
Joe turned out amazing and that O-Yoroi pilot is sexy as hell. Mag Guard pilot is beautiful yet composed. Pan'O doesn't come close to the art for me.
The Lizard pilot however is a sad letdown for me as a Nomad player. I'm really hoping it's just the paint job, but that head just kills an otherwise sexy as hell model. She has the "Ya don't say" meme face and badly posed wind blown short hair.
Infinity Bootleg is the new collector’s brand of Infinity miniatures. Infinity Bootleg will provide a reduced range of models, all of the finest quality but totally separate from the main Infinity catalog.
Why this name? Because these are the models the concept designers always wanted to design, the miniatures all the Infinity modelers always wanted to sculpt, and the figures Infinity fandom always wanted to get, but none of them could have as those models have no room in a game-focused catalog.
Even though most of the Infinity Bootleg figures have a troop profile to play with, and they can be used in an Infinity game, this is not the main purpose of this new brand.
Infinity Bootleg has been conceived for painters and miniature lovers. Top notch, high quality figures with attitude. Believe it or not, but even more than regular Infinity models. This is the connoisseur brand of Infinity!
Does bootleg have some sort of significance in the Infinity universe? I could easily see some confusion if you had one of these models, and someone (maybe not quite in the know) asks what they were, and you said. "Oh, they're bootlegs"
Alkasyn wrote: I have to agree with Alpharius - I'm not really blown away by these. When the concept art was released I wanted to get them all.
Afer I
ve seen those, I doubt I'll get even the Haqqislam Pilot, which could be excused as being for my main army.
Really, the Haqqislam one model pics have been out like the whole month, now you don't want him. Any ways I can't what for my Lizard pilot, glad it a small base the big base one look like near TAG price, but love the open cockpit on the PanO one.
Alkasyn wrote: I have to agree with Alpharius - I'm not really blown away by these. When the concept art was released I wanted to get them all.
Afer I
ve seen those, I doubt I'll get even the Haqqislam Pilot, which could be excused as being for my main army.
Really, the Haqqislam one model pics have been out like the whole month, now you don't want him. Any ways I can't what for my Lizard pilot, glad it a small base the big base one look like near TAG price, but love the open cockpit on the PanO one.
I never really wanted that model and seeing as I don't like the other ones, I do not feel the urge to get them as part of my collection.
Hmmm.. hmmmmmm ! I think I'm going to need some more time to think about these..
Some points I will make
- I'm not sure if it's the photos, but the quality of the pics isn't up to CB's usual standards perhaps? The contrast is a bit high perhaps, and I'm not sure whether they had a full saturation of light when taking them. Most evident in the Pan O mini, where they look very saturated. I won't say it's the painting standard, because they are still quite frankly stunning and at least 82,000 times better than anything I could ever paint!
- these bootleg minis represent a change. Change is not always popular, and at the very least people will take a step back and make a scrunched-up face expression. Some might say "well why don't they use those resources to make more game minis LOL?" I guess if we only ever see one lot of these then we know they won't sell. My guess? They might not be as popular on the forums, but I think a lot of people collect Infinity stuff just to paint on account of the sculpts and I can see this concession to those guys being pretty popular.
I can see myself using two of these to use in games (Maghariba and Lizard pilots) and Scarface punching the CA over the wreckage of his TAG is as cool as hell!
I'm glad CB are trying to do something a bit different personally!
I may actually get that Lizard Pilot as a Posthuman Proxy Mk1 proxy. The head even looks like the posthumans. Plus, I still have an unused Posthuman Mk3 cockroach tail that I could use to cover up the Lizard Pilot's butt. That dog toy will also have to go.
An Aleph Posthuman standing suggestively over a ruined chunk of a Nomad TAG? Fitting.
Absolutionis wrote: I may actually get that Lizard Pilot as a Posthuman Proxy Mk1 proxy. The head even looks like the posthumans. Plus, I still have an unused Posthuman Mk3 cockroach tail that I could use to cover up the Lizard Pilot's butt. That dog toy will also have to go.
An Aleph Posthuman standing suggestively over a ruined chunk of a Nomad TAG? Fitting.
The more I see these figures, the more they look to me like the floor models you'd see at a car show. There's no way the Tech-Bees (MUCH better name) would actually dress like that on a battlefield. Same for the O-Yoroi pilot. Who pilots a mech with high heels? These are totally the demo girls from a TAG trade show.
Kanluwen wrote:It was because they did not think they could get away with "Bootylicious".
I'm sure that doesn't translate well from Spanish
Doubtful, there are over 200 words in the Spanish language for the concept of "booty".
You beat me to the punch, avantgarde!
Regarding the models: Why would they "devote resources" to making these? For the same reason that any of us occasionally take detours and fun mildly-off-topic excursions in our professional lives: It lets us work out our cooped-up desires to tangent, and keeps our creative juices flowing. Give the CB production folks a break, guys. They work pretty damned fast for a glorified garage operation, and their quality is on a near-constant upward trend. Let's let 'em goof off every once in a while, especially if we can enjoy the products of those sidetreks as well.
As a YJ player, I'm very happy with the O-Yoroi sculpt. The way the mech opens up in a hinged fan like that is really cool. The pilot's cute too, of course.
The Lizard pilot face might use a tiny bit of shaving on the jawline, but is otherwise good. And we all know that Nomads lack, er, rear coverings pretty chronically. She must be from Bakunin.
This release really exceeded my expectations. I knew it was going to be full of cheesecake, and braced for that. Imagine my surprise when I found that I like most of the new releases! The magh. pilot is very nicely done, understated even, and the O-Yoroi pilot isn't nearly as trashy as I expected. Plus, the Scarface diorama is so cool, and a great indication of what CB is capable of. The other two... Well, we knew it was going to be pin up month, right?
This line, which has been talked about in one form or another as a 'definitive thing that will happen' for almost TWO YEARS, did not stop the release of several pinup/cheesecake models.
I will not hold my breath for "next month including no pinups or fanservice" because apparently the Spanish players matter more to Corvus Belli than anyone else does.
I will not hold my breath for "next month including no pinups or fanservice" because apparently the Spanish players matter more to Corvus Belli than anyone else does.
I'm not Spanish and I don't mind the presence of these models. I honestly don't get that comment...
I will not hold my breath for "next month including no pinups or fanservice" because apparently the Spanish players matter more to Corvus Belli than anyone else does.
I'm not Spanish and I don't mind the presence of these models. I honestly don't get that comment...
It's because the staff interact far more on the official Spanish forums than the English ones. They behave as though it is some kind of 'chore' to make postings on the English forums.
That is not true, they do put a lot of effort and they actively travel to US this month, can't say they avoid to international community, especially for a small company.
Yeah, gotta say, Kanluwen is sounding more like he's just not getting what he wants, so he's now decided to trash talk CB a little.
These models sell, that's why they make them. Even though Kanluwen despises it's existence, the catgirl Daktari is one of their best sellers. People want these models. Accept it.
I adore the Maghariba Guard model, but I've said that enough. I'm very much contemplating the Scarface and O-yori bootlegs as well. The Scarface model is a fantastic mid action snapshot, and the O-yori is delightfully cheesecake while still being a sculpt I like.
When was the last time ANY of the major names posted on the English forums?
Koni posts a lot, but he is effectively a 'moderator' and he posts whenever the store is updated.
Going to GenCon is not really a good thing to point at as I can then immediately bring up the fact that they go out of their way to attend Infinity tournaments at shops on a very regular basis--and they go out of their way to showcase new releases, etc when they do so.
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-Loki- wrote: Yeah, gotta say, Kanluwen is sounding more like he's just not getting what he wants, so he's now decided to trash talk CB a little.
Think whatever the hell you want. It does not change the facts of the matter. There are a slew of models which have been released based off of 'inside jokes' that the developers have with the Spanish forumgoers. The "Wulver Girl Now!" movement started because of the Spanish forums and despite there having been over 'movements' over the years it was the only one to be taken seriously.
So you tell me, what am I supposed to think?
If you genuinely think that I'm simply "trashtalking Corvus Belli", you are welcome to that opinion.
These models sell, that's why they make them. Even though Kanluwen despises it's existence, the catgirl Daktari is one of their best sellers. People want these models. Accept it.
And yet, I have NEVER seen the catgirl fielded on a table or in someone's list.
Kanluwen wrote: And yet, I have NEVER seen the catgirl fielded on a table or in someone's list.
That's not the point. As they have said, plenty of people buy Infinity models just to paint, and plenty have bought the Catgirl. As you say, you don't often see it on the table. It's still selling more than the models you do see on the table. It's making them money, so they're embracing it with bootleg models. This is the exact demographic they're aiming at with bootlegs. Ignoring the demand for such models is just bad business.
Kanluwen wrote: And yet, I have NEVER seen the catgirl fielded on a table or in someone's list.
That's not the point. As they have said, plenty of people buy Infinity models just to paint, and plenty have bought the Catgirl. As you say, you don't often see it on the table. It's still selling more than the models you do see on the table. It's making them money, so they're embracing it. Ignoring the demand for such models is just bad business.
And there's the rub right there.
They have chosen, seemingly, to ignore the fact that there are profiles still needing to be released in favor of selling things that are focused on the 'painters'.
They are not Games Workshop or Mantic or Privateer Press. They are not big enough that they can afford to do that, considering that as of right now a boxed set which released a month ago is completely out of stock at most major distributors here in the United States.
Oh, and the releases for this past month? Still not in the country.
How is a previous months box or this months models not being in the US yet now because of bootlegs?
This always happens. Popular boxes sell out. New releases take a month to get to some countries. This is not the fault of bootlegs, not should be included in bootlegs criticism.
As for bootlegs taking up a whole month themselves. I agree with this. I would have preferred they spread them out with 1-2 per month and some regular releases in there as well. But CB think this is the way to do it. It remains to be seen if it is worth it for them to do more months like this.
But I don't agree they should have just devoted bootleg resources to unfinished profiles, simply because these types of models, aimed at painted, seem to be very popular. CB have the sales data, so they know what they're doing. If this makes them more money, good for them. I can wait another month for a random profile filler if it means I get something as beautiful as the Maghariba Guard pilot.
Have to be honest Kan your last few posts have come across as more than a little 'me me me'. I wouldn't argue that they really put their home fans first (and 'cheescake' isn't more Spanish than anywhere else - the concept originally comes from the Anime/Manga heritage of Infinity, and that's a style they've constantly referenced since day 1, alongside the aesthetics of the kind of guy you have as your avatar). And it's only natural that Spanish developers painters are going to stop to make a post on a Spanish forum surely?
The only issue I can see of what you have said is with the US distribution. It doesn't seem to be a problem here in the EU, and I had no idea things were that bad in the States or elsewhere. Might be worthwhile writing a short letter to them to let them know perhaps?
Going to GenCon is not really a good thing to point at as I can then immediately bring up the fact that they go out of their way to attend Infinity tournaments at shops on a very regular basis--and they go out of their way to showcase new releases, etc when they do so.
I'm glad you mentioned that because.. well, some of the development team seem to tour more than the Foo Fighters. And I count that as far more important than coming to a forum to spar with us losers
I was initially pretty down on these figures. Even though I've been pretty tolerant of CB's Masamune Shirrow-inspired aesthetic, these don't quite fit the direction I was hoping to see. Sure, cheesecake is part of the aesthetic, but I was hoping to see a little more coy playfulness and a little less stripper suits posed on metal. It probably sounds needlessly picky, but I associate poses like the Daktari catgirl with ordinary anime fan-service, and outfits like on the Nomads bootleg with the creepy otaku shut-in side of anime fandom.
But(t) most of these models I think can be salvaged with a little paint-the-skin-as-a-catsuit trick, which would happily bring them right back to where I think they should be. Except unfortunately for the Yu Jing bootleg, with her missing cyber-boot/stocking/garter. Which is unfortunate, because YJ is my first faction and the one I'd be most inclined to get one of these kits for.
So final verdict: They aren't bad, but they could have been a little, shall we say, "less specialized" and still got the job done. YJ would have been the clear winner for vignette posing were it not for the "I'm undressing the moment I get out of my robot"-vibe, so I'm instead awarding the prize to the Haqqislam bootleg - rarely have I seen such an excellent depiction of the female form that manages to balance dynamism, artistic appeal, sculpting quality, and conveying the sense that the woman depicted is powerful and competent.
I showed the Scarface bootleg to my friend who is big into painting who I also just got into Infinity, but still isn't really sold overall on Infinity.
"That's pretty damn cool". His reaction to the Oyori? "I so want that".
Do you have something against the O-Yoroi pilot dynamically putting on her battlerobostockings? Can't you just imagine the dynamicity of the motion and the tense atmosphere of a pre-battle dressing?
You know, as a Haqq player, there's one scene from the Paradiso book I want them to do as a bootleg. Saladin, standing on a building, firing off a rifle, while a Hafza officer next to him peels an orange for him, with a Fiday lurking nearby.
Though I'd dig an unmasked Hawwa sniper as well. Go full cheesecake. I don't care.
So people whose mother language is Spanish posts more in a Spanish forum than in the English one. What a shocker, huh Kan?
Do you know who contacted with Spanish forums from GW, PP, Rackham, Battlefront, Soda Pop, Studio McVey and such companies? NOBODY. Does that mean anything about the quality of their products or how they treat their customers? No.
Do you think the rest of the world has an obligation to speak your language? Why don't you learn Spanish and use the Spanish forum? Because then you might know what it is being a gamer and having all the companies talking a language wich is not yours. You might know what it is to have a brand new exiciting game and not being able to play with anyone because the rules are in english and nobody wants to read them. You might know what it is to be dependant on small companies buying the rights of foreign games to have a translation published, and many times only for some products, while the rest of the range is never released in your country.
solkan wrote: I just wonder how much more the lower half of the various dioramas would have cost.
Okay, so I'mma show my lack of Infinity knowledge here... But I think it'd be cool to connect the Pan-O bootleg to the... Jotum (That's what it's supposed to be right?). I've got no interests in the line atm since the 1 nomads model doesn't really pull me in, but that would make me more interested in bootlegs
Bolognesus wrote: It's a Cutter, not a Jotum. I'd take cover for a while until Alpharius is done ranting at you now, if I were you
Coment still stands though, if I could put it on w/e it is I would be more interested. Psh, I don't own any Infinity (yet), I'm allowed to get away with such comments
Bolognesus wrote: It's a Cutter, not a Jotum. I'd take cover for a while until Alpharius is done ranting at you now, if I were you
Coment still stands though, if I could put it on w/e it is I would be more interested.
Psh, I don't own any Infinity (yet), I'm allowed to get away with such comments
Bolognesus wrote: It's a Cutter, not a Jotum. I'd take cover for a while until Alpharius is done ranting at you now, if I were you
Coment still stands though, if I could put it on w/e it is I would be more interested.
Psh, I don't own any Infinity (yet), I'm allowed to get away with such comments
NO ONE PUTS JOTUM IN THE CORNER!!!
Love ya too Alphy! It was the gun that threw me off and the Jotum is the only TAG that I know of for Pan-O, I just didn't know what it looked like...
Also I didn't get the reference to the Pan-Am stewardess until late last night
Though I'd dig an unmasked Hawwa sniper as well. Go full cheesecake. I don't care.
Nah, I like her masked. Gives off the air of mystery, and I also like the fact that she's a cheesecake that's not a cheesecake. Needless to say it's also one of my favorite models.
Though I'd dig an unmasked Hawwa sniper as well. Go full cheesecake. I don't care.
Nah, I like her masked. Gives off the air of mystery, and I also like the fact that she's a cheesecake that's not a cheesecake. Needless to say it's also one of my favorite models.
I love that miniature too, just received it in the post in fact and really looking forward to painting her!
Meanwhile on the Planet Meh:
The Space “Chinese”
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the Space Pan-“Ohourcountiresdon’treallyfitanywerejustmakespaceknights”
Infinity is losing me quick.
I’m really tired of not being able to make custom models right out of the box Or expensive T.A.G.s with 0 alternate parts…
Now instead of filling out the missing models or giving us a few more kits like the Spec-Op that allow for customization.
We get Dioramas with no bearing on the game??? I mean I have no issues with booty chicks or overly sexualized models what ever… but can I at least play with them… these aren’t even like full tags.
Scarface doesn’t even make sense… is his tag buried or legless? Because the guy he’s killing is at ground level.
Ok Corvus seems to be getting on the bad idea train more and more lately.
New photo game.
Looks like they were Tohaa models in the end, and a boxed set at that.
Being massively childish, looks like those chaps at the front are tremendously well endowed?
And I refuse to believe Angel uses normal paints like you and I, and not stuff mixed with the blood of Chupacabra and painted under the full moon in winter equinox.
Hey CB, here's a quick shout-out just in case any of your English-speaking support staff ever read the Dakka forums:
Great work, love the Bootleg line. Thanks for the interesting pieces to paint.
Ignore the haters, they're probably still learning to relax after years of being mistreated by Games Workshop.
That said, while 5deadly voiced his wishlist in a very negative fashion, he has a really good idea: TAGs with at least a couple of modular parts would be a really, really good idea. When you do the Gecko squads, that would be a great approach.
I'm rather amused by this really ridiculous turn of events.
The bootleg minis? All awesome.
People complaining about not getting other models? Jesus. What other AAA Minis company releases models every single month, for a single game, for (almost) every faction? At this quality level? And really, complaining that a DIORAMA PIECE is semi-buried? It looks awesome.
Talk about looking for things to complain about. Are we STILL on this idiotic crusade by some very vocal people about how cheesecake is destroying their tiny metal soldiers experience?
Yeah, I'm not getting the complaint about Scarface. It's not a general wrecked Tag marker, it's a freeze frame of a particular bit of action. In this one, Scarface is buried to the thighs. Maybe he stepped in some quicksand, if you absolutely have to justify it to yourself?
Neither side is going to concede to the other in the forthcoming argument in case anyone is under any illusion about that. I'd love it if you didn't do your angry handbagging at all but if you have to please don't do it in this thread. This thread is for news and pretty pictures that make me smile. There is a discussion worth having though and it would certainly warrant it's own thread if you're that invested in it.
I just don't see why there has to be a problem in the first place. It's not like every month has something you want to buy. Most months don't for me, even if it's a Haqqislam release.
If the bootlegs aren't to your taste, then don't buy them. Hey, here's a month you can eat out one more time instead of buying more mandollies you'll never get around to painting.
There's no point belittling Corvus Belli for making miniatures for an audience they know is there simply because they're not fulfilling your personal wishlist.
Not to mention, Angel is teasing actual game peice releases, which means the bootlegs might not even take this months release away. Which would make the majority of the whining completely unfounded, as they're just additional peices.
So yes, the Bootleg releases are all of July's releases.
Add to it that the June releases are just hitting US stockists now at the end of July and my biggest complaints regarding their stock management are completely founded.
I'm not going to gripe or anything more for the time being. I've had my gripe and now my irkedness is being alleviated by a "Batman: Night of the Owls" hardcover.
I am a customer .... and CB isn't losing a customer ... just haven't gotten money from me in awhile.
Alternate parts for tags and smaller models would be great. As a Modeler and owner of a jewelers saw amongst tons of other must have tools of the trade I'm kinda tired of my model looking just like the next guys.
The spec-op was great but I know that too much of that disrupts CBs business model as they can't release trickle down weapon upgrades.
Be nice to get models for stuff with 6 year old rule entries before diorama pieces.
And make some new orcs or Swiss enough other the spaceknights guys. Its a little played out.
Soryy if you don't like how I come across. It my world not yours.
Casey's Law wrote: Neither side is going to concede to the other in the forthcoming argument in case anyone is under any illusion about that. I'd love it if you didn't do your angry handbagging at all but if you have to please don't do it in this thread. This thread is for news and pretty pictures that make me smile. There is a discussion worth having though and it would certainly warrant it's own thread if you're that invested in it.
Well said!
Yes, people are CLEARLY going to have different opinions on this stuff, and there isn't really any problem with people commenting on them - obviously.
What really isn't necessary is one 'side' running down the other over it.
Why do they need to make new ORCs? They have released every ORC profile, and while they are old sculpts they are still in line with the quality of the newer sculpts. I would definitely buy them if I ever go PanO.
Alpharius wrote: While I agree, there might be a slight scale issue between the ORCs and the newer stuff?
Especially in terms of the weapons?
I know I'd like some new ORCs - maybe even a box set?
They're roughly in scale but two of the sculpts(Multirifle and HMG) suffer from "Derpynamic Posing" at this point.
Is there any proposed PanO Sectorials that would feature them?
As of yet?
We do not know. It might even be that they will be part of a non-PanOceania Sectorial when we get to "Acheron Falls" and the supposed invasion of Earth.
Truth be told I was surprised they were not part of Neoterra, but they might be part of Svarlheima(Orcs and Nisses would give you a bit more 'Nordic theme' for the Sectorial).
At least it doesn't roll into the sub-forum, eh Alph?
I've noticed there is a lot of love for the Maghariba Guard Pilot but she is actually my least favourite in the line so far. Doesn't work for me much at all.
The PanO Tech looks rather uncomfortable as well which is a shame because I love the idea. I'm hoping it's just an issue with the photograph.
I really like the O-Yoroi Pilot, it's pin up but it's also quite a real situation. You get a snapshot of her preparing for battle, or maybe her leaving, and you get the hot-chick-straddling-a-motorbike style calender shot all rolled into one. This, for me, is Infinity.
The Lizzy Pilot is funky too, she'll no doubt find her way into my Heralds eventually, Probably as a moderator instead.
The frame of Scarface is a little unusual but the model is slick and it's a painters wet dream.
I hope the miniatures are all very detached from the stuff around them so they can be plundered easily.
Having the multirifle ORC in hand right now I can say that 'derpynamic posing' is an understatement. it's not anywhere near as bad as the croc in the starter but it's pretty bad, still.
Come to think of it, that entire starter (and most fusilliers along with it) is pretty much better off forgotten...
...Really? I agree that for the industry as a whole, they're not bad models by any stretch but compared to literally every other PanO HI model (including derpynamic HMGAG) I can't help but find them severely lacking. To each his own, I guess...
Luckily all they're really good at is being cheap HI so they'll only be taken by those few who really like them (it's not like, for example, the only MSV3 in an army or anything).
The Orcs for the most part I think look fine. The dude could stand maybe an update though. I do think that some of the existing units could stand to have a few more models made so that we could choose from a variety of poses though. The Kamau certainly come to mind for that. Same with the Caledonian Mormaers, the 5th Minutemen, the Foxtrot Rangers, the Azrah 'il, and the Ahl Fassed. They could all use maybe one or two alternate sculpts to fill out their ranks.
Yes I agree with that, I think from what I have read though (or maybe just imagined? ) either the Ruskies or American sectorial for Ariadna will get some attention soon.
Pacific wrote: Yes I agree with that, I think from what I have read though (or maybe just imagined? ) either the Ruskies or American sectorial for Ariadna will get some attention soon.
If CB sticks to there stated plan, both will be getting a sectional in the next book.
Per the latest statement from Corvus Belli, we can look forward to a minimum of two Sectorials for each faction with "Acheron Falls".
Ariadna are supposed to be getting the Russians and USAriadna.
Nomads are supposed to be getting Tunguska and Black Hand.
Haqqislam are supposed to be getting a pair of sectorials but I cannot remember for the life of me what they are. One is supposed to be something about their supersoldiers but that is all I can immediately think of.
Yu Jing are supposed to be getting the Invincible Army and a Svarlheima sectorial.
PanOceania are supposed to be getting Varuna and Svarlheima sectorials.
Combined Army are supposed to be getting two sectorials but the only one that has been spitballed is one about the EI itself.
ALEPH are supposed to be getting two sectorials; only one that has been more or less confirmed is the 'Vedic' Sectorial which means things like the Devas and Dasyu.
Tohaa are supposed to be getting two sectorials, no clue about them.
Mercenaries are getting two or three sectorials which will actually allow you to legitimately utilize a true 'mercenary' force rather than have to play QK or the hodgepodge list that exists now.
Wow that's a pretty comprehensive list, thanks for posting it!
Yes I believe it was said during one of the BoW videos about the Haqqislam super-soldiers, or at least some new releases coming that reflect that element of their character.
I'm painting up a Qapu Khalqi force at the moment actually, sods law dictates that an official mercenary list, with loads of cool stuff in it, will appear the moment it is finished..
You will likely be able to use quite a bit of the QK force as one of the Mercenary 'sectorials' is reputedly going to be Beyhan Resources; meaning Kaplan Tactical Services will get another appearance most likely.
That's really good news on the Mercenary front. I've been wanting to get some of those models and use them for a while but being able to field them as a force of their own will justify the purchase for me.
Kanluwen wrote: Haqqislam are supposed to be getting a pair of sectorials but I cannot remember for the life of me what they are. One is supposed to be something about their supersoldiers but that is all I can immediately think of.
Carlos already confirmed ages ago one of them is Khanate forces - basically a Sectorial around Kum bikers and their support units. I'd guess the second would be Sultinate, basically the basic military encompassing Ghulam, Halqa, Naffatun, etc. Sultinate would be the most likely to include military supersoldiers.
I really don't mind the scale differences. For example - the old Jannisary AP Rifle and HMG compared to the new Jannisary AP Rifle in the starter, the new model is leaner and shorter. When standing next to the older models, in the same paintjobs, it simply looks like the person in the suit is leaner and shorter, while the older models are people who are taller and bulkier.
I actually rather prefer the super-bulky HI models. They stand out more. My old AP Rifle Janissary looks like the ARM4 hulking monstrosity he is. Most of the 'old' look of models is mostly in their oversized weapons.
i have the female Ariadna Para-Commando on my table, right next to the male Ariadna SAS (the first one), and the lady towers over the dude...
she looks like some kind of mythical Amazon warrior woman next the SAS guy...
it seems that they have shifted to a slightly smaller scale over the years...
it's not a deal breaker, to me, since i just paint single minis, but it sure is jarring when i look up and see these two minis next to each other...
i could see how some people would be put off by the older minis, but i still like them as individual sculpts...
jah-joshua wrote: i have the female Ariadna Para-Commando on my table, right next to the male Ariadna SAS (the first one), and the lady towers over the dude...
she looks like some kind of mythical Amazon warrior woman next the SAS guy...
it seems that they have shifted to a slightly smaller scale over the years...
cheers
jah
That's because the sculptor has a thing for very tall women, nothing out of scale there.
I think where the old sculpts show the worst is probably in the facial sculpts. Older figures with face concealing helmets and masks tend to still look pretty decent (again, like the Kamau). Those faces though, ugh. Some of those older Yu Jing ones just look horrible. The newer faces look so much nicer. I say, if they're to resculpt older figures, do it for the unhelmetted figures first. Otherwise just make me some alternate poses.
With regards to that list of sectorials, that sounds like there will be some pretty neat stuff coming in the future. I'm very curious to see what the USAriadne stuff is going to look like.
Even faces depends on the model. I've got the old Ghulam, and while one has a terrible face, the bearded guy, doctor and female reloading her gun have decent face sculpts. The HMG is serviceable with a good paintjob, and the hacker is, as said, helmeted so doesn't show it.
We can explain away the scale difference of some of the older sculpts, because it's not a huge difference in most cases, but there's no point in denying it exists.
I justify the Spektr I have as a big burly lass that I wouldn't want to meet down a dark alley but I'm not going to cover my ears and go 'lalalalala!' if someone points out she looks a little weird next to the rest of the cell. 'Girl's got flippers on.
Kanluwen wrote: Per the latest statement from Corvus Belli, we can look forward to a minimum of two Sectorials for each faction with "Acheron Falls".
Ariadna are supposed to be getting the Russians and USAriadna.
Nomads are supposed to be getting Tunguska and Black Hand.
Haqqislam are supposed to be getting a pair of sectorials but I cannot remember for the life of me what they are. One is supposed to be something about their supersoldiers but that is all I can immediately think of.
Yu Jing are supposed to be getting the Invincible Army and a Svarlheima sectorial.
PanOceania are supposed to be getting Varuna and Svarlheima sectorials.
Combined Army are supposed to be getting two sectorials but the only one that has been spitballed is one about the EI itself.
ALEPH are supposed to be getting two sectorials; only one that has been more or less confirmed is the 'Vedic' Sectorial which means things like the Devas and Dasyu.
Tohaa are supposed to be getting two sectorials, no clue about them.
Mercenaries are getting two or three sectorials which will actually allow you to legitimately utilize a true 'mercenary' force rather than have to play QK or the hodgepodge list that exists now.
Drools….
Vedic, Black Hand, Invincible Army…
Oh Please let that happen.
I also love the Orc troops… I’ve converted 2 using the same model and that crafty jewelers saw of mine. I really wish they would make the kit for them that allows for parts swaps with the new weapon sizes.
I idea of the Hindu/Persian Side of Aleph is hot to me… Garuda Bot are one of my favorites as with all the other aspects from that side. Asuras, Dasyu even the Tacbots are dope.
Revisted Shang ji with new models also with a little flexibility in the build would be great….
Black Hand… Mafia… Nice.
Don’t take it so serious…
The "Black Hand" are most definitely not a mafia of any way, shape, or form.
The Black Hand are the Nomad intelligence/special operations sections. From what information we have at the moment it is a joint effort by all the Nomad ships, originally founded by the Mexican General at the outset of the Nomad ships declaring their independence.
So there is a possibility of new Kamau then? I really like their concept and the design is pretty cool, but the models that exist are... ehhhh. The dude has those wonky old sculpt proportions with a giant gun and the girl, while she has a great looking sculpt, is in a weird ass pose. I get that she's posed like she's in cover against a wall, but without an actual wall there, she just looks strange.
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