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**LunaHound**

Fateweaver wrote:A beautifully painted sample army. Don't read too much into the heirodule as it's not in the codex.

I see , is there a link where i can view or read about it?
( im just confused to what does that have to do with the new release )

**Lukus83**

Nothing at all. It's an apoc addition.

**Farmer**

LunaHound wrote:
Fateweaver wrote:A beautifully painted sample army. Don't read too much into the heirodule as it's not in the codex.

( im just confused to what does that have to do with the new release )

I posted it because Hive tyrants don't get crushing claws in the current book,which might indicate you might get that option in the new book,you numty

**Gorechild**

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=6700002a

GW finally updated the site with pic's of all the new Tyranid releases. its not much different from what we saw before but they are all better quality photos

mawloc looks sweeeeeet!

**gorgon**

puma713 wrote:Who knows, since the rules haven't been released. But an indirect-firing, supposedly Str 8, 2 shot weapon fired with "unerring accuracy" (quote from GW) makes the Guards pretty inticing.

Per someone on Warseer, the impaler gun doesn't need LOS AND ignores cover. If it's AP4, that should be another nail in Nob Bikers' coffin. If it's AP3, it's going to be harsh on Tau suits too.

And it's important to note that Hive Guard are a separate Elites choice. Tyrant Guard are still the only way to get protection for the HT.

**wyomingfox**

JohnHwangDD wrote:The Mawloc version of the Trygon isn't bad. It's better than the tentacley Vemon thing.

I agree. The Mawloc looks pretty cool if you just cut off the goofy attenas. Simple conversion.

**Crazy_Carnifex**

gorgon wrote:
puma713 wrote:Who knows, since the rules haven't been released. But an indirect-firing, supposedly Str 8, 2 shot weapon fired with "unerring accuracy" (quote from GW) makes the Guards pretty inticing.

Per someone on Warseer, the impaler gun doesn't need LOS AND ignores cover. If it's AP4, that should be another nail in Nob Bikers' coffin. If it's AP3, it's going to be harsh on Tau suits too.

And it's important to note that Hive Guard are a separate Elites choice. Tyrant Guard are still the only way to get protection for the HT.

Well, that sounds like it could be fun then. Must get a brood.

**Slackermagee**

New rumor bits up at BoLS.

My reaction?

Three wounds is wishlisting or he mistook wounds for attacks. Or the points cost of warriors and lictors is going to explode.

Half price gargoyles and hormagaunts sounds too good to be true, though I would enjoy a 'death-on-swift-wings-coming-for-you' army.

The pyrovore is not a close combat monster...

I really, really, really want good info on two things right now: how does one manipulate the FOC placement of warriors and can the same be done with gargoyles (to troops, hopefully)? What have they done to synapse?

Everything sounds really quite nice, all the rumors are quite upbeat (and unbelievable at times but that's normal) but if they break synapse... Gotta get my hands on this codex before I leap back in to the swarm.

**reds8n**

Mr. Bregalad from Warseer has the following intell...

All entries get new artwork.
At least two new bioweapons: a canon (Hive Guard and/or Pyrovore) and a thorax swarm (Pyrovore?).
Broodlord no HQ (still hoping for Broodlord Alpha being one).
Ravenors compatible sizewise with Warriors (was said before IIRC)
Carnifex gets more attacks and better BS. Broods of 3 confirmed.
Biomorphs for Gargoyles not included but sprue available separately (most people will have enough from the gaunts boxes). "Venom rending" confirmed (automatic wound on 6).
Trygon same size as FW one (see attached pic, my trygon based on a CD). Monstrous creature, parts compatible with carnifex. Will form tunnel swarm together with Ravenors. Will get Apocalypse data sheets in WD Ferbuary. Alpha Trygon Synapse.
Mawloc (German Morgon!) shock troop, can fall back, can borrow/disappear during movement phase just to shock back next round. If Mawloc base shocking in contact with enemy base, place 5" template above and everyone in contact with it will get S6 AP2 hit.
Pyrovore called cc monster with said acid spray attack, but personally I am still convinced of the second artillery attack. GW suggests to also use Pyrovore counting as big Biovore.
Broodlord and Warriors removed from HQ, leaving the lone Hive tyrant (still hoping for Alpha variants).
Tyrant guard gets frenzy and another rule, if Hive Tyrant is killed.
Lictor not 0-1 anymore, one more life, cheaper. Death leaper in Codex with some special rules and mail order only.
Red Terror not rulewise in Codex (just mentioned), model can be used counting as Ravenor.
Zoanthrope has "long range" anti-tank (longer than before?).

**Alpharius**

Mawloc, large template S6 AP2 hit?

What is its toughness and wounds?

Just how many points will this thing cost?

**gorgon**

The thorax weapon is almost certainly for Ravs, not the Pyrovore.

Because Ravs get thorax weapons.

**winterman**

Because Ravs get thorax weapons.

Could be a weapon for the Trygon or its variants.

**reds8n**

Yeah...I was wondering then if the throax swarm might be for the Trygon ( or variant thereof) as it is, pretty much, a bigger Rav.

Still not too sure/convinced about this "Alpha" class stuff, think the mawloc either has "hit and run" or something akin to skyleap (groundburrow ?

) .... AP2 seems a bit OTT to me..not impossible I guess.

The Apoc. sheets I think we might well see a fair few of.... I wonder if these are perhaps the source of confusion relating to "alpha" variants maybe ? 1 in 3 ( or similar) being upgraded to X/Y/Z .. ie an Alpha variant sounds more Apoc. than regular 40k to me.

I am thinking much the same about the Pyrovore as Mr. Gorgon, if it doesn't have an ignore cover mode then I suspect the biovores will perhaps.

**Railguns**

They probably expect the Mawloc to work like drop vets used to. Show up on top of something, nuke it, and get nuked in return because they don't want a Trygon variant tearing about their gunline.

**gorgon**

Oh yeah...good point about the Trygon/Mawloc's thorax.

I dunno what to think about Alpha Trygons, tunneling with Ravs, etc. It's not hard to imagine some of these things being Apoc-related as you said.

The Pyrovore is a weird duck, if you ask me. Were the writers and designers on the same page on that one? Was it a lousy creative brief?

It's hard to rectify the giant gun with all the talk about it being a CC creature.

Assuming it is a CC creature (or maybe CC support), maybe the idea is to have them accompany your crushing claw Carnifexes, etc.? The Fexes open the cans, the Pyrovores dump fire and acid all over the contents...that kind of thing? Hopefully the full profile and stats provide the "aha" moment.

**Aduro**

I think the Pyrovore's Acid attack is it's CC attack, probably counting as a Power Weapon. The Fireball is probably a heavy flamer variation from the cannon on it's back.

**NAVARRO**

I think Pyro will be my biovores and If he's CC I will have to sculpt one from scratch.

**reds8n**

A little clarification from Mr. Scryer in the Darkness from Warseer

Hive Tyrant - increased WS and I

Tyrant Guard - gain Furious Charge and Rage if the Hive Tyrant they are guarding is killed

Hive Guard - BS4

Lictor - increased stats (e.g. 3 Wounds), reduced points cost

Pyrovore - similar statline to Tyrant Guard, "Flamer" (my inverted commas) Poisoned 2+, AP3

Tyranid Warriors - 3 Wounds, 4+ Sv as standard

Hormagaunts - I5 and Ld6, points cost halved

Gargoyles - Poisoned rule: Each roll of 6 to hit and to wound cause a wound, reduced points cost

Carnifex - 1-3 per slot, WS4, BS3 as standard

Trygon - Close combat monster, when Deep Striking if it lands on a model it counts as having assaulted that model/unit

Mawloc - Less close combat orientated, when Deep Striking any model touched suffers a S6 AP2 hit and survivors are pushed out the way as the Mawloc emerges. At the end of any subsequent Tyranid movement phase the Mawloc can re-burrow and will automatically arrive the following Tyranid turn applying its special Deep Striking rules.

**gorgon**

The great irony with this codex might end up being that they finally made Lictors bad-a$$ again, only to have them completely overshadowed by Hive Guard and the other Elites choices.

I want Hive Guard, and I want them now.

**ForceVoid**

reds8n wrote:A little clarification from Mr. Scryer in the Darkness from Warseer

Tyranid Warriors - 3 Wounds, 4+ Sv as standard

This is pure sex.

**kirsanth**

Not if ID affects them.

**ForceVoid**

Hmmm....

**JohnHwangDD**

T4 W3 Sv4+... Where have I seen that before?

Ah, yes...

OGRYNS!

And we all know how much those rock!

**aka_mythos**

Just wait till we find out how much less than ogryns the point cost is. I'm betting GW wants to sell warriors, so I'll bet warriors will only be 25pts, before upgrades.

**winterman**

T4 W3 Sv4+... Where have I seen that before?

Ah, yes...

OGRYNS!

And we all know how much those rock!

Except Ogryn aren't fearless, don't score, can't be made into complex units, don't have access to good cc upgrades, are 5+ save (IIRC, could be wrong) and their guns are limited to 12". Eternal Warrior may still show up in some form also (liek say catalyst psychic power). Other then that it's a good comparison

Still need to see points and synergy though before declaring meh or win.

**Railguns**

Nice, characterful special rules for the guard, Hive Tyrants get a good boost, Lictors are slightly more survivable (I really hope they solve the deepstriking issue), Gargoyles have a little punch to them now, half-point upgraded Hormagaunts, AND Carnifexes are base WS4 BS 3? I like all of these. Especially Warriors being toughened up significantly.

**avantgarde**

Tyrant Guard - gain Furious Charge and Rage if the Hive Tyrant they are guarding is killed

It sounds like the Tyrant can be targeted in CC now.

**FlammingGaunt**

Man... I was hoping I would just need the codex and a trygon but hell I'm probably going to get a trygon, mawloc, Hive gaurds, pyrovore, and venomthropes....
sigh* O well.

**Agamemnon2**

winterman wrote:Except Ogryn aren't fearless, don't score, can't be made into complex units, don't have access to good cc upgrades, are 5+ save (IIRC, could be wrong) and their guns are limited to 12". Eternal Warrior may still show up in some form also (liek say catalyst psychic power). Other then that it's a good comparison

Still need to see points and synergy though before declaring meh or win.

Warriors as Troops at three wounds per head will be murder, though not as much as trygons being able to deep strike into close combat. That ability alone is enough to run entire Guard armies (like mine) off the table on turn 2 when one of those things shows up with its enormous base, engages 1-2 units and possibly a random vehicle and proceeds to tear them all to ribbons. Especially since clumping your own stuff up close together as far from the onrushing close combat units is a fairly common IG deployment.

I'm curious to find out what exactly was made weaker in the new list. I mean, something must have, right? But the only units not quoted as getting improvements are genestealers (who get broodlords as unit champions instead of HQ choices), spore mines and biovores.

**H.B.M.C.**

Lictor - increased stats (e.g. 3 Wounds), reduced points cost

Won't mean a damned thing if the mother fether isn't T5.