Now when IA4 gets re-done the brood nest will probably get approved as a 40k fortification that can spawn hormagaunts. Just a guess but I bet it'll happen.

Its in the 5th ed. codex too. iirc before they charge into battle they lay their eggs. By the time the first wave dies, the second wave has hatched, layed its eggs, and about to assault again.

could someone with access to the White Dwarf post an image of the Paint Splatter section for hive fleet Leviathan?? Thanks.

Altruizine wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:

I agree about the Tervigon price, its completely negligible. As for the devilgaunts, they have no pod, so they have been nerfed. There is no other way to look at it. Sure you can give them meatshields in the unit now but its not going to feel like it was worth it when you lose the entire 30 man squad gets swatted off the board anyway. Don't get me wrong it's not going happen all the time and it is definitely the best way to use them and is actually still decent, but it's no comparison to the safety of pod dropding down and just unloading 3 clips per gaunt of hungry worms into an enemy squad, and possibly leaves the decision in your opponents hands whether or not its worth letting those devourers reach the enemy infantry.

I think they'll be fine.

The cost of the Spore will get you ~10 meatshield Gants, which your opponent needs to cut down before he even begins to diminish the offensive threat of the unit.

Furthermore, I like the idea of Devilgaunts becoming a persistent target priority factor for your opponent. Currently, they aren't one. Either they're in reserves and untouchable, they scatter away from targets and can be temporarily ignored, or they land where they're needed and then the opponent has to respond to them ASAP. I've had great success with podded Devilgaunts in 5th and 6th, but they pretty much never lasted beyond one turn. They came down, did their damage, then got wiped out or ambled off into the sunset due to lack of Synapse support.

You also fail to take into consideration the possibility of using Trygon tunnels, any sort of Hive Commander-esque outflanking ability, and the chance that Tervigons will have an upgrade to spawn Devilgaunts. The first of those things is a borderline certainty, the second is quite likely, and the third is a wishlisty early rumour that is nonetheless still in play.

Hmmm, while I can see your logic I personally can't help but feel like it is drastically flawed. Those 20 termagaunts who we can safely view as freebies to the cost of the devilgaunt unit (in the new codex we actually get 20 devilgants + 20 termagants for 240 points, the same current price as 20 devilgaunts in a spore) are very nice and do soak up a small amount of fire, but they don't deepstrike you in without fear of mishap, turn 2, and for further accuracy allow you to aim deepstrike exactly on top of where you want to be even if there is a squads there, and providing a free 2 inch move towards your enemy even on the worst roll for scatter. Sometimes you might end up 10" off shooting range, assuming you were aiming directly for the 18" limit and scattered the maximum distance in the exact opposite direction, but you are still an inch closer than you would have been had you spent the first turn running toward that same target and having just as bad luck on the run (which is even more likely because it's on a single roll). And you haven't been shot at yet. All this is very good stuff.


Why you would WANT to make your Devilgaunts a shootable target is a mystery to me, I read that paragraph multiple times and could not divulge out your actual reason for wanting to do it, I'm quite sure you didn't give one, you just described how Devilgaunts are currently played. There is a reason Devilgaunts aren't a target priority before they come down and do their damage, it's not by chance, we put them in pods because we DON'T want them getting shot at before they can unload hellfire. Yes, they are indeed more capable of footing it now with their free wounds - but it whether or not they get to deal their damage is possibly a choice left in the opponents hands, and a good opponent will make the right choice. Maybe it's just how I play the unit, but I personally think there is no comparison and much prefer the much more reliable, drop-spore-in-and-fire-60-shots-at-the-devastator-squad-threatening-my-MCs method of justifying an upgrade that literally doubles the cost of putting each model on the field. Yeah they die the next turn, but at least they can be relied upon to do their damage, and do it fast. Might just be a personal standpoint here, I can see the love for brute force with meatshields to distract some extra shots, but they won't be eating Lascannon volleys however and I'd much rather use my Devourers to get rid of Heavy Weapon shots or whatever else I choose to point them at, rather than just draw and soak up flamer fire. I mean any anti-infantry guns the enemy has aren't really doing much else of great importance anyway against the codex of Big Bugs, which just up-sized again. Also, as far as synapse goes I generally found no reason not to have their buddy the OA+HC Flyrant in range of them by the turn they make it down.
However all this being said, Devourers ARE cheap, and I think I will be tucking 10 Devilgaunts into the back of each 30man Term squad I play.



And yes, I do take into the consideration of Trygon tunnels. And it is possibly the furthest thing in the world from a borderline certainty. Rolling reserves for Trygon and not getting a 1 or a 2, then rolling for a squad of devilgaunts HOPING for a 1 or a 2, so that you can bring them in through the Trygon tunnel the next turn, then getting to turn 3 and this time rolling above 2 again, then hoping that your enemy has placed whatever it is you wanted to kill with you Devilgaunts in a convenient spot to the Trygon tunnel? And this is assuming you don't miss the scatter? That is your substitute for spores? Seems inconsistent to say the least. Devilgaunts getting outflanking (which they won't) through some other purchased upgrade in the army would still be far inferior to the pod. And the third one does not seem too plausible, and doesn't even constitute as relevant to the strength of Devilgaunts, it's relevant to strength of buying a Tervigon.

rigeld2 wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:
*clears throat*
excuse me but SINCE WHEN DO HORMAGAUNTS LAY EGGS?
My apologies, but I don't remember ever reading that.

5th edition codex, p38, last fluff paragraph

2nd edition tyranid codex, p.25 on hormagaunt's fluff & profile.

In old codex, hormagaunt's have "without number" special rule... 5th editon remove that special rule, all I can wait for new codex to see if hormagaunt's gain any new /old special rule better than Without Number special rule..

2nd edition fluff isn't exactly very reliable information considering how many retcons have happened since then..

Obsidorox wrote:
Its in the 5th ed. codex too. iirc before they charge into battle they lay their eggs. By the time the first wave dies, the second wave has hatched, layed its eggs, and about to assault again.

That is stupid. It is physically impossible for a hormagaunt to have enough biomass to replace itself and yet have anything left for the creature itself.

Well I imagine that GW has started to ship the codex to its various distribution sites and to individual stores. Hopefully we will get a few leaks to tide us over till Saturday now that physical copies are floating around. It has been quite a rollercoaster since, what? October?

I very much doubt the recently hatched Hormagaunts would be full adults.

 AlexHolker wrote:

Obsidorox wrote:
Its in the 5th ed. codex too. iirc before they charge into battle they lay their eggs. By the time the first wave dies, the second wave has hatched, layed its eggs, and about to assault again.

That is stupid. It is physically impossible for a hormagaunt to have enough biomass to replace itself and yet have anything left for the creature itself.

Orks growing from fungal spores makes the same amount of sense! I think half of the races in 40k are functionally immortal also, which is silly too.

 SHUPPET wrote:
And yes, I do take into the consideration of Trygon tunnels. And it is possibly the furthest thing in the world from a borderline certainty. Rolling reserves for Trygon and not getting a 1 or a 2, then rolling for a squad of devilgaunts HOPING for a 1 or a 2, so that you can bring them in through the Trygon tunnel the next turn, then getting to turn 3 and this time rolling above 2 again, then hoping that your enemy has placed whatever it is you wanted to kill with you Devilgaunts in a convenient spot to the Trygon tunnel?

I'm fairly confident that he was referring to the possibility that they realize that the current tunnel mechanic doesn't work, and that they've made some changes in the new codex.

 gorgon wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
And yes, I do take into the consideration of Trygon tunnels. And it is possibly the furthest thing in the world from a borderline certainty. Rolling reserves for Trygon and not getting a 1 or a 2, then rolling for a squad of devilgaunts HOPING for a 1 or a 2, so that you can bring them in through the Trygon tunnel the next turn, then getting to turn 3 and this time rolling above 2 again, then hoping that your enemy has placed whatever it is you wanted to kill with you Devilgaunts in a convenient spot to the Trygon tunnel?

I'm fairly confident that he was referring to the possibility that they realize that the current tunnel mechanic doesn't work, and that they've made some changes in the new codex.

Ah I misinterpreted that. Has that been a rumour? I haven't seen that anywhere. If Trygon tunnels work the turn they go up, that would be amazing. Possibly better than Pods. This is probably the number 1 thing I want from the codex.

The local xenos that i've seen are all necron/tau/eldar. I've seen one other nid player but that army shares the spotlight with his eldar.

 Kirasu wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
That is stupid. It is physically impossible for a hormagaunt to have enough biomass to replace itself and yet have anything left for the creature itself.

Orks growing from fungal spores makes the same amount of sense! I think half of the races in 40k are functionally immortal also, which is silly too.

Wrong on both counts. Orks growing from fungal spores works because an ork doesn't carry all that biomass around with him - the spore collects it from its environment like any other fungus. And biological immortality is not a physical impossibility, just difficult in a species where cell division is subject to genetic mistakes that you want to die out: i.e. cancers.

The "eggs" might be feeding on surrounding biomass as well. I don't think that was explained well/at all.They do have brood nests though (iirc).

Did anybody get a view on if the spine fists are useful again? I miss those and have a whole lot of Gaunts with them.

That swarm box is looking more and more tempting. Pick that up, 2 Tervigons, Tyrant, Exocrine/ Haruspex and some magnets and you've got a pretty cool starter army.

I thought spinefists now had a minimum of 2 shots?

I might just have to make tyranids my third army. I like the idea of doing an all warrior force. Might not be the best but I like the look of warriors and i think it would be fun. At the very least it would be good contrast to my marines and tau

 SHUPPET wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
And yes, I do take into the consideration of Trygon tunnels. And it is possibly the furthest thing in the world from a borderline certainty. Rolling reserves for Trygon and not getting a 1 or a 2, then rolling for a squad of devilgaunts HOPING for a 1 or a 2, so that you can bring them in through the Trygon tunnel the next turn, then getting to turn 3 and this time rolling above 2 again, then hoping that your enemy has placed whatever it is you wanted to kill with you Devilgaunts in a convenient spot to the Trygon tunnel?

I'm fairly confident that he was referring to the possibility that they realize that the current tunnel mechanic doesn't work, and that they've made some changes in the new codex.

Ah I misinterpreted that. Has that been a rumour? I haven't seen that anywhere. If Trygon tunnels work the turn they go up, that would be amazing. Possibly better than Pods. This is probably the number 1 thing I want from the codex.

I think they should do it almost like the Storm Talon with it's Escort ability, only in reverse. Select another unit in reserve to go in with the Trygon on the turn it shows up.

 SHUPPET wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
And yes, I do take into the consideration of Trygon tunnels. And it is possibly the furthest thing in the world from a borderline certainty. Rolling reserves for Trygon and not getting a 1 or a 2, then rolling for a squad of devilgaunts HOPING for a 1 or a 2, so that you can bring them in through the Trygon tunnel the next turn, then getting to turn 3 and this time rolling above 2 again, then hoping that your enemy has placed whatever it is you wanted to kill with you Devilgaunts in a convenient spot to the Trygon tunnel?

I'm fairly confident that he was referring to the possibility that they realize that the current tunnel mechanic doesn't work, and that they've made some changes in the new codex.

Ah I misinterpreted that. Has that been a rumour? I haven't seen that anywhere. If Trygon tunnels work the turn they go up, that would be amazing. Possibly better than Pods. This is probably the number 1 thing I want from the codex.

Honestly, I tend to think more things will remain the same than change just because that's the pattern we've seen with most of the 6th edition books. Obviously armies have received new units and options, but other than Daemons most books have been evolutions out of their 4th/5th edition versions rather than overhauls. At least IMO.

But like you, I certainly have my fingers crossed that there are "other ways" to run reserve-heavy/drop Tyranids. Although flawed (especially after GK arrived), I had the most fun in years playing Tyranids when I ran a null-deployment list in 5th edition. Eventually you need a break from the "try to cross the table" dynamic.

Right now I'm thinking about ordering one of the new big bug kits to take advantage of some of the preorder deals out there, but I have no idea which to choose just because I'm so unsure how my army will evolve. I have a pretty sizable Tyranid collection already, but the playstyle could go a number of ways.

James811 wrote:
I love the sound of bare gaunts to take wounds with devil gaunts behind themed shin gout damage. The only models I'm interested in are the exocrine and the crone. I have about 30 terms painted and about 10 horms (only started nids a few months ago again) so depending on the codex will depend on what I go for.

I'm also loving the mix and match possibilities as GW has apparently my ability to drop two spores of 10 Devilgaunts in front of my opponent's face. :(

Is there anything interesting in the White Dwarf along the lines of paint schemes or conversions?

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
That is stupid. It is physically impossible for a hormagaunt to have enough biomass to replace itself and yet have anything left for the creature itself.

Orks growing from fungal spores makes the same amount of sense! I think half of the races in 40k are functionally immortal also, which is silly too.

Wrong on both counts. Orks growing from fungal spores works because an ork doesn't carry all that biomass around with him - the spore collects it from its environment like any other fungus. And biological immortality is not a physical impossibility, just difficult in a species where cell division is subject to genetic mistakes that you want to die out: i.e. cancers.

I didn't realize you were an expert in Ork biology. It works because GW says it works not because of any real science, just like the theory of termagaunts laying eggs works (despite not having enough biomass). Somehow a fungus developing into a higher lifeform seems far fetched to me.

Also, I wasn't saying immortality is impossible but that it's ODDLY CURIOUS that so many of the 40k races are functionality immortal for different reasons.. As if its incredibly common.

via Sinsigel over on Warseer
I bought the new tyranid codex to share it with my fellow gamers yesterday.

Pyrovore remains largley unchanged save that it gets slight boost to wounds, attacks and initiative.
Its cost is slightly reduced while acid maw attack is given at a bit higher strength but at the cost of making only single attack.

Mawlocs and trygon both are cheaper. Mawloc especially is about 20~25% cheaper.
Mawloc's special rule Terror from the Deep is still much same......except that when the damage is resolved hiding in ruin or cover of other kind is literally useless.
Mawloc can also resolve damage(via Terror from the Deep) more than once if there isn't enough space.

Shadow in the Warp gives penalty to nearby enemy psykers' leadership.

Harpy is also cheaper. Its wounds and attacks are slightly boosted.

Carnifex and tyrannofex both became considerably cheaper. Around 25~30 percent or so.
Carnifex can still take devourer with brainleech worms which remains same as before.(Just without its penalty to enemy leadership)
It has less attacks and slightly higher initiative, but it can inflict more than one Hammer of Wrath hits.

Both types of gaunts became slightly cheaper albeit the upgrades are bit more expensive.
Zoanthropes are also cheaper.
And as forementioned in my previous replies, impaler cannons will be the bane of eldar wave serpents if they come within range.

As for biomorphs, crushing claws are changed in a way that they don't give extra attacks but are more effective against vehicles plus strength buff.
Regeneration probability became much higher.
Tentaclids and electroshock grubs are effective against vehicles(Bionic EMP I suppose)
Other than some boosted version of already existing shooting attack, I see no significant difference.

Taking account of its crushing claws, Haruspex has decent strength(stronger than mawloc, weaker than carnifex) with small number of attacks.
It however can increase its attacks depending on how many wounds it suffered, while at the same time can regain the wounds.
Its blood is also acid while its tongue attack can pierce terminator armour.

Boneswords inflict Instant Death depending on to-wound roll while lash whip boosts wielder's initiative.

Warlord traits include buff to synapse range, reducing cover, turning a forest into more carnivorous one, etc.
Psychic powers include another buff to synapse range, FNP, pinning test with additional leadership modifier, pseudo-psychic shriek etc.

Last thing. Malantai is NOT destroyed by a single zoanthrope.
And no more steel rain for tyranids.

 pretre wrote:
And no more steel rain for tyranids.

Mother. fether.
I mean.. I knew it was happening, we all knew it was happening... but I was hoping.

He got it almost a week early?

Also

while [The Haruspex's] tongue attack can pierce terminator armour.

No crap. It's a Monstrous Creature, so it has Smash, so its attacks are already AP2.

Edit: And still no word on things like Adrenal Glands / Toxin Sacs (wrt: shooting) / scything talons.

I'm not necessarily calling fake, but I'm also not really believing he has a codex.

 streamdragon wrote:
He got it almost a week early?

Also

while [The Haruspex's] tongue attack can pierce terminator armour.

No crap. It's a Monstrous Creature, so it has Smash, so its attacks are already AP2.

Maybe he means it's AP1?

But yeah, silly description. Unless...the haruspex is not a MC

Making it the largest infantry model ever.

What if that attack is ranged akin to the magna grapple?

 streamdragon wrote:
He got it almost a week early?

Also

while [The Haruspex's] tongue attack can pierce terminator armour.

No crap. It's a Monstrous Creature, so it has Smash, so its attacks are already AP2.

Edit: And still no word on things like Adrenal Glands / Toxin Sacs (wrt: shooting) / scything talons.

I'm not necessarily calling fake, but I'm also not really believing he has a codex.

It might be a shooting attack though...

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Maybe he means it's AP1?

Eldarain wrote:What if that attack is ranged akin to the magna grapple?

I admit, neither of these two scenarios occured to me. I also think I vaguely remember a rumor of the H-Spex having a magna-grapple like attack, but I don't believe it was mentioned at all in the White Dwarf battle report.

Either way, I am less than impressed by this "new" information.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
He got it almost a week early?

Also

while [The Haruspex's] tongue attack can pierce terminator armour.

No crap. It's a Monstrous Creature, so it has Smash, so its attacks are already AP2.

Edit: And still no word on things like Adrenal Glands / Toxin Sacs (wrt: shooting) / scything talons.

I'm not necessarily calling fake, but I'm also not really believing he has a codex.

It might be a shooting attack though...

That's a possibility. It could be like a chameleon.

 streamdragon wrote:


Edit: And still no word on things like Adrenal Glands / Toxin Sacs (wrt: shooting) / scything talons.

He said scorpion chain swords with no strength boost, i.e. AP6.

It's just trolling. Even if it's not, there's absolutely zero new information. Seriously.

MadmanMSU wrote:
It's just trolling. Even if it's not, there's absolutely zero new information. Seriously.

Well, the zero new information is not right at all. Not that it is for sure true information, but there is new bits.

NamelessBard wrote:

MadmanMSU wrote:
It's just trolling. Even if it's not, there's absolutely zero new information. Seriously.

Well, the zero new information is not right at all. Not that it is for sure true information, but there is new bits.

You go right on believing that.

NamelessBard wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:


Edit: And still no word on things like Adrenal Glands / Toxin Sacs (wrt: shooting) / scything talons.

He said scorpion chain swords with no strength boost, i.e. AP6.

Huh. Read Pretre's post a few times and I still can not find this.

MadmanMSU wrote:

NamelessBard wrote:

MadmanMSU wrote:
It's just trolling. Even if it's not, there's absolutely zero new information. Seriously.

Well, the zero new information is not right at all. Not that it is for sure true information, but there is new bits.

You go right on believing that.

Are you being incredulous?

There was no rumors about:
the Mawloc
AP of the scything talons
Devourers being the same
Zoan cost
Strength of the Haruspex
Warlord traits
etc.

But yes, not one new rumor.

 streamdragon wrote:

NamelessBard wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:


Edit: And still no word on things like Adrenal Glands / Toxin Sacs (wrt: shooting) / scything talons.

He said scorpion chain swords with no strength boost, i.e. AP6.

Huh. Read Pretre's post a few times and I still can not find this.

It was mentioned separately in another post.

NamelessBard wrote:

MadmanMSU wrote:

NamelessBard wrote:

MadmanMSU wrote:
It's just trolling. Even if it's not, there's absolutely zero new information. Seriously.

Well, the zero new information is not right at all. Not that it is for sure true information, but there is new bits.

You go right on believing that.

Are you being incredulous?

There was no rumors about:
the Mawloc
AP of the scything talons
Devourers being the same
Zoan cost
Strength of the Haruspex
Warlord traits
etc.

But yes, not one new rumor.
.

No, I'm just not going to waste my time typing up a huge response to what is obviously a fake set of rumors.

You want to believe them, you go right ahead.

Bit about Pyrovore, and Mawloc are new information. However, this could just be guessing by the person with the supposed book as the information is super vague.

MadmanMSU wrote:
No, I'm just not going to waste my time typing up a huge response to what is obviously a fake set of rumors.

You want to believe them, you go right ahead.

Methinks you doth protest too much!

 pretre wrote:

MadmanMSU wrote:
No, I'm just not going to waste my time typing up a huge response to what is obviously a fake set of rumors.

You want to believe them, you go right ahead.

Methinks you doth protest too much!

Not sure what you're meaning is, but I'll just put here what I posted on Warseer:

"Although I would point out that Faeit212 has already picked them up and posted them. More garbage from that garbage site that will probably get repeated over and over for the next day or two.

Rumor posters that post vague and unintelligible rumors and useless. If you actually have the codex, post something useful instead of "oh, I don't want to get in trouble". Liar, you just want attention.

Speaking for myself: I already know I'm getting the codex on Thursday or Friday, so if no one else posts by then, I'll upload the entire thing as a PDF on a torrent site. "

I'd rather the focus be on people who actually have a codex, rather than this speculative crap. But that's just me.

 ShatteredBlade wrote:
Did anybody get a view on if the spine fists are useful again? I miss those and have a whole lot of Gaunts with them.

To my knowledge no rumors about them recently. Read some stuff about them back in September but it was so vague as to be of no value.

 streamdragon wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Maybe he means it's AP1?

Eldarain wrote:What if that attack is ranged akin to the magna grapple?

I admit, neither of these two scenarios occured to me. I also think I vaguely remember a rumor of the H-Spex having a magna-grapple like attack, but I don't believe it was mentioned at all in the White Dwarf battle report.

Either way, I am less than impressed by this "new" information.

That's because one wasn't fielded.

Pretty disappointed...

Tyranids lost access to Spods? That's a pretty annoying fluffless loss.

I mean, think about it. How are all the creatures supposed to get to the planet from the Hive ship?

Do they all just jump and release their parachutes? Pfffft.

MadmanMSU wrote:
Not sure what you're meaning is, but I'll just put here what I posted on Warseer:

"Although I would point out that Faeit212 has already picked them up and posted them. More garbage from that garbage site that will probably get repeated over and over for the next day or two.

Rumor posters that post vague and unintelligible rumors and useless. If you actually have the codex, post something useful instead of "oh, I don't want to get in trouble". Liar, you just want attention.

Speaking for myself: I already know I'm getting the codex on Thursday or Friday, so if no one else posts by then, I'll upload the entire thing as a PDF on a torrent site. "

I'd rather the focus be on people who actually have a codex, rather than this speculative crap. But that's just me.

I mean that you're awfully down on the guy for no particular reason.

You have no way of knowing if they are real or not except that you don't like his style of posting. It may be really from the codex or it may be attention seeking crap, but we have no way to know.

And way to advocate illegal behavior.

I'll wait for more reliable confirmation of any of these rumors, though they do sound plausible. Scything talons being AP6 with no additional abilities (other than +1 attack) make them perfect cheap add-ons for melee MC's (as long as the points for adding them makes sense).

As to the zoanthropes' rule -- we've seen the warp blast entry from the Psychic Cards photos in the white dwarf. The only thing I can consider that would be akin to the IG psyker battle squad is if a full unit of 3 zoanthropes can "converge" their powers and get a bigger blast or better AP on the warp blast attack....but that's just a guess.

Let's see if anyone else gets an early copy and starts leaking data. C'mon Germany, where you at??

Eldercaveman wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Maybe he means it's AP1?

Eldarain wrote:What if that attack is ranged akin to the magna grapple?

I admit, neither of these two scenarios occured to me. I also think I vaguely remember a rumor of the H-Spex having a magna-grapple like attack, but I don't believe it was mentioned at all in the White Dwarf battle report.

Either way, I am less than impressed by this "new" information.

That's because one wasn't fielded.

Shush with your logic Sir!

Also had to roll my eyes at the Crushing Claws "help against vehicles". Other than now being available to Tyrant Guard, Crushing Claws are only available to MCs (who already have Smash). Destroying vehicles in CC has never exactly been a tyranid weak point.

rigeld2 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
And no more steel rain for tyranids.

Mother. fether.
I mean.. I knew it was happening, we all knew it was happening... but I was hoping.

Scuse the question but wtf is "Steel rain"?...

Steel rain = Drop Pods i.e. Mycetic Spores.

The monger is trying to be all mysterious.

 pretre wrote:

MadmanMSU wrote:
Not sure what you're meaning is, but I'll just put here what I posted on Warseer:

"Although I would point out that Faeit212 has already picked them up and posted them. More garbage from that garbage site that will probably get repeated over and over for the next day or two.

Rumor posters that post vague and unintelligible rumors and useless. If you actually have the codex, post something useful instead of "oh, I don't want to get in trouble". Liar, you just want attention.

Speaking for myself: I already know I'm getting the codex on Thursday or Friday, so if no one else posts by then, I'll upload the entire thing as a PDF on a torrent site. "

I'd rather the focus be on people who actually have a codex, rather than this speculative crap. But that's just me.

I mean that you're awfully down on the guy for no particular reason.

You have no way of knowing if they are real or not except that you don't like his style of posting. It may be really from the codex or it may be attention seeking crap, but we have no way to know.

Whether they're real or not are irrelevant, in this case, because he didn't give us anything useful. What's the point of a rumor that contains no useful information? Might as well consider them fake.

 pretre wrote:


And way to advocate illegal behavior.

I'm not advocating anything, simply stating what I would do. Doesn't bother me in the least.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
And no more steel rain for tyranids.

Mother. fether.
I mean.. I knew it was happening, we all knew it was happening... but I was hoping.

Scuse the question but wtf is "Steel rain"?...

 pretre wrote:
Steel rain = Drop Pods i.e. Mycetic Spores.

The monger is trying to be all mysterious.

Wait wasn't the rumour saying that even though there is no more Spore as a unit, its still would be an upgrade option to give DS?

MadmanMSU wrote:
Whether they're real or not are irrelevant, in this case, because he didn't give us anything useful. What's the point of a rumor that contains no useful information? Might as well consider them fake.

Nothing new except:
the Mawloc
AP of the scything talons
Devourers being the same
Zoan cost
Strength of the Haruspex
Warlord traits

Apparently if it isn't a scan, you aren't accepting it?

I'm not advocating anything, simply stating what I would do. Doesn't bother me in the least.

Okay, advocating was the wrong word. Admitting to is a better one. Where's GW Legal when you need them?


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 Slayer le boucher wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Steel rain = Drop Pods i.e. Mycetic Spores.

The monger is trying to be all mysterious.

Wait wasn't the rumour saying that even though there is no more Spore as a unit, its still would be an upgrade option to give DS?

There was a rumor of that but it wasn't very good.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I'll wait for more reliable confirmation of any of these rumors, though they do sound plausible. Scything talons being AP6 with no additional abilities (other than +1 attack) make them perfect cheap add-ons for melee MC's (as long as the points for adding them makes sense).

MC would have no point to take Scything Talons because they are AP2 base.

rollawaythestone wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I'll wait for more reliable confirmation of any of these rumors, though they do sound plausible. Scything talons being AP6 with no additional abilities (other than +1 attack) make them perfect cheap add-ons for melee MC's (as long as the points for adding them makes sense).

MC would have no point to take Scything Talons because they are AP2 base.

The +1 attack would be useful.

 Eldarain wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I'll wait for more reliable confirmation of any of these rumors, though they do sound plausible. Scything talons being AP6 with no additional abilities (other than +1 attack) make them perfect cheap add-ons for melee MC's (as long as the points for adding them makes sense).

MC would have no point to take Scything Talons because they are AP2 base.

The +1 attack would be useful.

According to rumor the Black Library page, they would only get the +1 attack if they have ANOTHER set of CC weapons (e.g.: rending claws, crushing claws, scything talons, etc.). So one set by itself is meaningless.

 pretre wrote:

MadmanMSU wrote:
Whether they're real or not are irrelevant, in this case, because he didn't give us anything useful. What's the point of a rumor that contains no useful information? Might as well consider them fake.

Nothing new except:
the Mawloc
AP of the scything talons
Devourers being the same
Zoan cost
Strength of the Haruspex
Warlord traits

Apparently if it isn't a scan, you aren't accepting it?

This from the guy who tracks rumors. You seriously invest time in this vague crap? C'mon, seriously?

Like I said earlier, you want to believe them, go right ahead. I'm not stopping you.

 pretre wrote:
Where's GW Legal when you need them?

Thousands of miles away, across a very large ocean.

*Puts on Pirate Cap*

Avast, Matey!

MadmanMSU wrote:
This from the guy who tracks rumors. You seriously invest time in this vague crap? C'mon, seriously?

Like I said earlier, you want to believe them, go right ahead. I'm not stopping you.

And on to personal attacks. /slowclap

 Eldarain wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I'll wait for more reliable confirmation of any of these rumors, though they do sound plausible. Scything talons being AP6 with no additional abilities (other than +1 attack) make them perfect cheap add-ons for melee MC's (as long as the points for adding them makes sense).

MC would have no point to take Scything Talons because they are AP2 base.

The +1 attack would be useful.

They have to take two pairs of melee biomorphs to benefit from the +1 attack. Thus just taking scything talons as stock, when you take another gun is pointless. They only benefit CC builds. Furthermore, they are absolutely useless on Tervigons. Unless there is a difference between MC Scything Talons and Non-MC Talons.

 pretre wrote:

MadmanMSU wrote:
This from the guy who tracks rumors. You seriously invest time in this vague crap? C'mon, seriously?

Like I said earlier, you want to believe them, go right ahead. I'm not stopping you.

And on to personal attacks. /slowclap

It's better with the Citizen Kane gif. That's how I'm picturing it, anyway.

Sheesh. They're rumours. Your reaction to them is far too overblown whether they're real or not.

rollawaythestone wrote:
They have to take two pairs of melee biomorphs to benefit from the +1 attack. Thus just taking scything talons as stock, when you take another gun is pointless. They only benefit CC builds. Furthermore, they are absolutely useless on Tervigons. Unless there is a difference between MC Scything Talons and Non-MC Talons.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Tervigons come with Scything Talons stock in the new codex - after all, there is no option in the box to equip them with anything else besides Scything Talons or Crushing Claws.

 Redemption wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
They have to take two pairs of melee biomorphs to benefit from the +1 attack. Thus just taking scything talons as stock, when you take another gun is pointless. They only benefit CC builds. Furthermore, they are absolutely useless on Tervigons. Unless there is a difference between MC Scything Talons and Non-MC Talons.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Tervigons come with Scything Talons stock in the new codex - after all, there is no option in the box to equip them with anything else besides Scything Talons or Crushing Claws.

I would bet you are correct.

Cant wait for the new nids which will be my second army.

Anyone know what hq upgrades are going to be for the new codex. Like space marine relics i mean?

I'm making a aliens themed army and reading some of the fluff on the Tervigon it seem like the perfect Queen alien. Even the model has what looks like the egg sack. Problem is most posts i read say its a bad idea using them as a hq, as you can take them as troops for every 30 guants.

Nothing is a "bad idea" if you like it, despite what the internet list group-think says.

Hormagaunts are AWFULLY POO THEN....

DO IT TO IT wrote:
Nothing is a "bad idea" if you like it, despite what the internet list group-think says.

Sorry, no, that's nonsense. Not all units are created equal. Some just suck.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

DO IT TO IT wrote:
Nothing is a "bad idea" if you like it, despite what the internet list group-think says.

Sorry, no, that's nonsense. Not all units are created equal. Some just suck.

And some units are Pyrovores.

Well it's only 4 days now until my LGS will have copies in stock, so if nothing else i can wait that long. What's 4 days compared to the 4 years of mediocre codex we've already endured?


There above lies my greatest fear - what if this book is no better, and god forbid, far worse, than what we're using now? I'll give the codex my standard "3 month" assessment, where i use it and only it for all my games for the next 3 months to see how I like it. But at first glance i'm seeing a lot of the same old same old with these rumors, aside from MC point drops (yet upgraded little bugs and standard medium bugs seem to be the same cost)....

For the Vanguard Infestation data slate:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/01/tyranids-vanguard-infestation-dataslate.html

via Stickmonkey on Faeit 212
3+ genestealer broods (1 must include broodlord, only 1 broodlord per formation)
3+ lictors one of which can be deathleaper

Every man for himself
On the round this unit arrives enters play, every unit within 36" must use the lowest leadership value of the unit when taking leadership tests.

Secret Deployment
Every unit in this formation must start in reserve and use Lictor's chameleonic skin rule for deployment

I wonder if we'll get this excited again in 2018...

 pretre wrote:
For the Vanguard Infestation data slate:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/01/tyranids-vanguard-infestation-dataslate.html

via Stickmonkey on Faeit 212
3+ genestealer broods (1 must include broodlord, only 1 broodlord per formation)
3+ lictors one of which can be deathleaper

Every man for himself
On the round this unit arrives enters play, every unit within 36" must use the lowest leadership value of the unit when taking leadership tests.

Secret Deployment
Every unit in this formation must start in reserve and use Lictor's chameleonic skin rule for deployment

If i'm not mistaken, that is IDENTICAL to the genestealer/lictor formation in the Apocalypse book.

So, if this is true, then Lictors will NOT be able to assault the turn they arrive from "chameleonic skin". Why? Because it would be utterly broken if not only they but every genestealer in your force could all assault with no penalty on one reserves roll.

Looks like nothing can save them now...I hope i'm wrong and they're awesome.

Edit to add: "Every Man For Themselves" could be a good rule in tandem with "The Horror" (assuming it's a Pinning test at a negative leadership modifier).

Would be hilarious if they could all assault though.

 pretre wrote:
For the Vanguard Infestation data slate:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/01/tyranids-vanguard-infestation-dataslate.html

via Stickmonkey on Faeit 212
3+ genestealer broods (1 must include broodlord, only 1 broodlord per formation)
3+ lictors one of which can be deathleaper

Every man for himself
On the round this unit arrives enters play, every unit within 36" must use the lowest leadership value of the unit when taking leadership tests.

Secret Deployment
Every unit in this formation must start in reserve and use Lictor's chameleonic skin rule for deployment

This is exactly the same as the Apocalypse formation, can this be right?

Beaten to it :-)

Odd_Socks wrote:

 pretre wrote:
For the Vanguard Infestation data slate:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/01/tyranids-vanguard-infestation-dataslate.html

via Stickmonkey on Faeit 212
3+ genestealer broods (1 must include broodlord, only 1 broodlord per formation)
3+ lictors one of which can be deathleaper

Every man for himself
On the round this unit arrives enters play, every unit within 36" must use the lowest leadership value of the unit when taking leadership tests.

Secret Deployment
Every unit in this formation must start in reserve and use Lictor's chameleonic skin rule for deployment

This is exactly the same as the Apocalypse formation, can this be right?

Beaten to it :-)

*checks Apoc book*

Nope.

 pretre wrote:
Would be hilarious if they could all assault though.

Not really. Faeit missed the other special rule:

Biological Dead End
No units in this formation may assault the turn they arrive/are revealed. They'll never make it into combat so you might as well just remove 'em as casualties. Thanks for buying the miniatures though. We appreciate that.

Although its weird that "every man for himself" would occur on the turn they arrive. Because the formation itself can't take advantage of it, seeing as how they are assault units but cannot assault that turn.

I guess you could combo it with something...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

DO IT TO IT wrote:
Nothing is a "bad idea" if you like it, despite what the internet list group-think says.

Sorry, no, that's nonsense. Not all units are created equal. Some just suck.

Not all units are created equal, but then they don't all serve the same function, or operate within the same army either. GW's job isn't to appeal to only one kind of gamer, and thus not all units will operate equally under the same conditions. Some are "cool" or "fluffy", while others are designed to deal with a very specific type of threat.

Yes, some units just suck, but we haven't played with any of the new Tyranid ones, under these new codex rules to make such an assessment. Attempting to do so just looks foolish. Especially when it's a glib, sweeping complaint about things that you (or anyone else) has no clue about yet.

I am not saying they will all be wonderful either; I'm just willing to concede that I won't know either way until I've played with them.

 brassangel wrote:
GW's job isn't to appeal to only one kind of gamer, and thus not all units will operate equally under the same conditions. Some are "cool" or "fluffy", while others are designed to deal with a very specific type of threat.

That's awesome dude. Good job!

Wasn't even what I was getting at.

I was simply stating a truth:

Some units suck. They just do. It doesn't matter what their "role" is, it doesn't matter what their fluff is. Some units are just terrible units that do not function in the role given to them or are outdone by something else in the army. This has nothing to do with styles of play or appearing to a certain type of gamer. Some units are just garbage.

MadmanMSU wrote:
Although its weird that "every man for himself" would occur on the turn they arrive. Because the formation itself can't take advantage of it, seeing as how they are assault units but cannot assault that turn.

I guess you could combo it with something...

I think the idea is that the sudden appearance of that many broods would allow any other leadership damaging effects to work better.

3-4 Broods of GS and a bunch of lictors pop up and then you bombard them with pinning weapons and leadership checks.

 pretre wrote:
3-4 Broods of GS and a bunch of lictors pop up and then you bombard them with pinning weapons and leadership checks.

And then the enemy bombards the 'Stealers and Lictors while they stand there looking stupid and wondering why they can't assault yet.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
3-4 Broods of GS and a bunch of lictors pop up and then you bombard them with pinning weapons and leadership checks.

And then the enemy bombards the 'Stealers and Lictors while they stand there looking stupid and wondering why they can't assault yet.

I didn't say it was a good idea. Just the idea.

so if everything has to deploy on turn 2

how come the nid player doesn't count as tabled at the end of turn 1?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
so if everything has to deploy on turn 2

how come the nid player doesn't count as tabled at the end of turn 1?

The rest of his army that's on the table...?

 pretre wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
so if everything has to deploy on turn 2

how come the nid player doesn't count as tabled at the end of turn 1?

The rest of his army that's on the table...?

ah makes sense,

I was thinking that would be all of the force, but it's obviously not large enough, DOH!

These new "rumors' sound very much like an "mysterious" attention grab.

The only time people need to be mysterious is when they are
1 - a source in the know, and need to be vague as to not be fired.
2 - don't want to post exact costs so as to not violate board policies.

However, this guy says he "bought" the codex, which means its not issue 1, and well, the vagueness...is just bizzare.

note, I am not "personally attacking" this person, I am saying the information they present sounds more like spreading gossip or vague rumors for attention, than trying to share information from someone that has a book.

Maybe they think being cryptic is ...fun? At this late stage in the game, it is just ....goofy.

davethepak wrote:
These new "rumors' sound very much like an "mysterious" attention grab.

The only time people need to be mysterious is when they are
1 - a source in the know, and need to be vague as to not be fired.
2 - don't want to post exact costs so as to not violate board policies.

However, this guy says he "bought" the codex, which means its not issue 1, and well, the vagueness...is just bizzare.

He's posting on Warseer which is known for cracking down on people for being too specific. IIRC, they're the ones who keep that whole 'it's 5 storm bolters and a frag grenade in points' thing going.

 pretre wrote:

davethepak wrote:
These new "rumors' sound very much like an "mysterious" attention grab.

The only time people need to be mysterious is when they are
1 - a source in the know, and need to be vague as to not be fired.
2 - don't want to post exact costs so as to not violate board policies.

However, this guy says he "bought" the codex, which means its not issue 1, and well, the vagueness...is just bizzare.

He's posting on Warseer which is known for cracking down on people for being too specific. IIRC, they're the ones who keep that whole 'it's 5 storm bolters and a frag grenade in points' thing going.

Agreed.

But even that is specific other than "it will be bad" or "steel rain is no more'.

Just say "the AP is the same as a heavy bolter" or "the tyranid drop pod unit is no longer in the book".

Again, I am commenting on the quality of the information, not attacking the person.
If they do indeed have the book, hopefully they will start posting things in specific references.
(fie storm bolters + frag grenades IS specific).

Hopefully we will have good information in a few days.

 AlexHolker wrote:

Obsidorox wrote:
Its in the 5th ed. codex too. iirc before they charge into battle they lay their eggs. By the time the first wave dies, the second wave has hatched, layed its eggs, and about to assault again.

That is stupid. It is physically impossible for a hormagaunt to have enough biomass to replace itself and yet have anything left for the creature itself.

Perhaps the photosynthesises to absorb energy/ convert-to-matter sunlight. Or perhaps roots.


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Solidcrash wrote:
In old codex, hormagaunt's have "without number" special rule... 5th editon remove that special rule, all I can wait for new codex to see if hormagaunt's gain any new /old special rule better than Without Number special rule..

Itd almost make hormagaunts worth taking If we had that rule.


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rigeld2 wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:
*clears throat*
excuse me but SINCE WHEN DO HORMAGAUNTS LAY EGGS?
My apologies, but I don't remember ever reading that.

5th edition codex, p38, last fluff paragraph

Thanks.

Actually, if Lictors were given something like the above then I could see them being useful even if they can't assault on the first turn.

Something like this?

Chameleonic Skin: (deploys as it does currently), Stealth, also has Shroud on the turn it arrives and any turn it remains stationary. Enemies can only fire Snap Shots at it on the turn it arrives.

Terrifying Stalker: Causes Terror, creates an 18" bubble of "must use the lowest leadership" and "enemy units move as if in difficult terrain" for enemy units on the turn it arrives.

Add to that a little more lethality in combat, and I think you'd have the makings of a real disruption unit that could paralyze an enemy force for a turn, allowing you to set up a really devastating attack.

"Cannot assault on the first turn" does not have to mean "completely useless".

Stores have their stocks now, and they're shipping this week. There's no reason a specific store couldn't have given the Codex out early.

Xyptc wrote:
Actually, if Lictors were given something like the above then I could see them being useful even if they can't assault on the first turn.

Something like this?

Chameleonic Skin: (deploys as it does currently), Stealth, also has Shroud on the turn it arrives and any turn it remains stationary. Enemies can only fire Snap Shots at it on the turn it arrives.

Terrifying Stalker: Causes Terror, creates an 18" bubble of "must use the lowest leadership" and "enemy units move as if in difficult terrain" for enemy units on the turn it arrives.

Add to that a little more lethality in combat, and I think you'd have the makings of a real disruption unit that could paralyze an enemy force for a turn, allowing you to set up a really devastating attack.

"Cannot assault on the first turn" does not have to mean "completely useless".

I've made lictors work for the past 3 codexs.. Fleshhooks are your friend.

rigeld2 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
And no more steel rain for tyranids.

Mother. fether.
I mean.. I knew it was happening, we all knew it was happening... but I was hoping.

Steel rain?
Gene stealers?
No more genestealers?!?

Mycetic spores!

My friend owns a store so if they get their copies soon I'm sure that I'll get one not long after so fingers crossed

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mycetic spores!

Oh yeah, I derped.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 pretre wrote:
For the Vanguard Infestation data slate:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/01/tyranids-vanguard-infestation-dataslate.html

via Stickmonkey on Faeit 212
3+ genestealer broods (1 must include broodlord, only 1 broodlord per formation)
3+ lictors one of which can be deathleaper

Every man for himself
On the round this unit arrives enters play, every unit within 36" must use the lowest leadership value of the unit when taking leadership tests.

Secret Deployment
Every unit in this formation must start in reserve and use Lictor's chameleonic skin rule for deployment

If i'm not mistaken, that is IDENTICAL to the genestealer/lictor formation in the Apocalypse book.

So, if this is true, then Lictors will NOT be able to assault the turn they arrive from "chameleonic skin". Why? Because it would be utterly broken if not only they but every genestealer in your force could all assault with no penalty on one reserves roll.

Looks like nothing can save them now...I hope i'm wrong and they're awesome.

Edit to add: "Every Man For Themselves" could be a good rule in tandem with "The Horror" (assuming it's a Pinning test at a negative leadership modifier).

If chameleonic skin deployment means in the codex that only snap shots can be fired on the turn they come on the board then we might really have something. That means bad shooting and no pie plates or flamers.

It'll probably be something dull and uninspired like "unit has shrouded".

Regardless, whether it be snapshots or cover save buffs, what we can count on is that the mechanic will almost certainly be useless against Tau. :p

 BlaxicanX wrote:
It'll probably be something dull and uninspired like "unit has shrouded".

Regardless, whether it be snapshots or cover save buffs, what we can count on is that the mechanic will almost certainly be useless against Tau. :p

It's okay if it's useless against one army. Just don't use this dataslate if you know your opponent is playing Tau, I suppose. It's no good to be an auto-include in any and every match up.

If those rumours are true 4pts for Genestealers to Scything Talons which would only grant +1 attack and a guaranteed AP6 is not worth it.

As many others have said, something doesn't feel right about these rumours.

If they are correct, looks like we'll have to switch to short range shooting supported by Assaults tactics.

 stonehorse wrote:


If they are correct, looks like we'll have to switch to short range shooting supported by Assaults tactics.

Well, this is how the army currently plays.

rollawaythestone wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:


If they are correct, looks like we'll have to switch to short range shooting supported by Assaults tactics.

Well, this is how the army currently plays.

Its how Nids supposed to be played. Since no competitive build takes assault units right now, the current strategy is just shoot the enemy with your hive guard, use your flyrants' vector strikes, and just pray your tervigons never roll doubles.

I honestly think that the prior description of nids was accurate. If you are just vector striking, and not landing to assault with your Flyrants you are doing it wrong. Tervigons and other monsters, even the little gribblies, use assault. The key word in stonehorse's statement is "supported" - which is true.

rollawaythestone wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:


If they are correct, looks like we'll have to switch to short range shooting supported by Assaults tactics.

Well, this is how the army currently plays.

Tyranids have always been at their core an assault based army supported by short ranged shooting. This currently doesn't work, and feels wrong. I hope the new Codex fixes this and returns Tyranids to being the premium Assault based army in 40K. A lot of their imagery is taken from the Xenomorphs, which are all about Assault.

I do short ranged shooting supported by assault plenty fine with the 5th edition codex...

I run a primarily assault-based Tau army and am undefeated in my meta, personally.

I don't know what people are talking about when they complain about melee-tau armies not being viable. If they aren't viable than how come I do so well with them?

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I run a primarily assault-based Tau army and am undefeated in my meta, personally.

I don't know what people are talking about when they complain about melee-tau armies not being viable.

Out of curiosity, what do you use? The thought of choppy tau intrigues me.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I run a primarily assault-based Tau army and am undefeated in my meta, personally.

I don't know what people are talking about when they complain about melee-tau armies not being viable.

Out of curiosity, what do you use? The thought of choppy tau intrigues me.

Farsight bomb no doubt. Big Red is WS5, I5 with AP2 and 5 attacks on the charge.

 stonehorse wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:


If they are correct, looks like we'll have to switch to short range shooting supported by Assaults tactics.

Well, this is how the army currently plays.

Tyranids have always been at their core an assault based army supported by short ranged shooting. This currently doesn't work, and feels wrong. I hope the new Codex fixes this and returns Tyranids to being the premium Assault based army in 40K. A lot of their imagery is taken from the Xenomorphs, which are all about Assault.

Actually, there were some breeds of xenomorph that could spit acid, iirc.

http://alienanthology.wikia.com/wiki/Runner

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I run a primarily assault-based Tau army and am undefeated in my meta, personally.

I don't know what people are talking about when they complain about melee-tau armies not being viable. If they aren't viable than how come I do so well with them?

I assume you mean Tyranid, not Tau.
And it's because your meta hasn't "caught up" to the rest of the competitive world. That's fine - it's just a different local meta.
Pure assault simply doesn't work if you're following the rules in 6th edition.

No, I meant Tau.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
No, I meant Tau.

Farsight bomb? That's at least as shooty as it is choppy. In my experience anyway.

How does that Farsight bomb work again by the way?, never really saw it in my META.

He is being facetious, and showing that anecdotal evidence of one person "claiming" they do just fine with a weak army is not proof that the army itself is fine.

 IcedAnimals wrote:
He is being facetious, and showing that anecdotal evidence of one person "claiming" they do just fine with a weak army is not proof that the army itself is fine.

Nice to see that someone could see through BlaxicanX's sarcasm

Rein it in guys, it's getting way off-topic in here.

Sharing this from GW digital's Facebook. Nothing we didn't know. Swarmy is 285.

Too bad the actual model couldn't look more like that, with the mandibles, split tail, and the cool-looking bone swords that look more like big cleavers instead of the curved ones. I have a kit lying around that I planned on converting to look more like the art but never bothered.

So he's 5 points more. That's not bad.

 IcedAnimals wrote:
He is being facetious, and showing that anecdotal evidence of one person "claiming" they do just fine with a weak army is not proof that the army itself is fine.

Indeed he is. And I think the more information we got the less impressive that statement would seem, hence why he hadn't given anything other than the bare "I made this army work therefor you guys are doing it wrong". If his statement was true I'm guessing he didn't come against anything even slightly resembling a competitive list played by a half-decent player or you would not still be "undefeated". A very broad term which is likely describing his success over a small amount of games, almost certainly in a very casual meta. Or maybe it does beat WaveSerpent Spam and Screamer stars with it consistently, I don't know. I think his point was more about the useless nature of such statements.

Just like this guy

zaak wrote:

I've made lictors work for the past 3 codexs.. Fleshhooks are your friend.

Ah yes, of course the fleshhooks, why didn't we all realise sooner that they could be used. You definitely had a leg up on the rest of us there. Or maybe, the rest of the world does all realise what fleshhooks can do, the unit is still crap, and your meta just isn't very competitive? Cast an unbiased, non-egotistical eye back on the statement that you made when people were saying Lictors needed some helpful balancing, to let them last longer than the turn they hit the battlefield. Think about whether firing off 2x fleshhook shots at bs 3 and dying the next turn is worth the 65 point cost, or whether those Fleshhooks shots are going to really add that much to the survivability of the unit.

Yes. I didn't respond with more details because anyone who asked "what's your list" missed the point of my statement.

Which is. No one cares about personal anecdotes of how well your army list works for you. Even if someone is telling the 100% truth (I have no reason to believe Loki is being disingenuous, for example), anecdotes are still useless because there can be any number of reasons for why someone is successful with what is considered a sub-optimal list.

It weakens my faith in humanity that Iced had to spell that out for fellas, though.

 -Loki- wrote:
I do short ranged shooting supported by assault plenty fine with the 5th edition codex...

This is how I played my 'nids list. 2 packs of 15 Hormagants, a Tervigon with Devilgaunts for the tax, 6 Hive Guard and 3 Zoans, Trygon and 2 Biovores with a Tyrant and I fluff out the rest. Its a fun list. The Horms run around nipping at the heels and many people ignore them that it is insane. Yes they die but sometimes letting them absorb the shots HELPS!

I have always believed 'Nids need to force people's priority of fire by throwing threats at them and overwhelm them that way.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Yes. I didn't respond with more details because anyone who asked "what's your list" missed the point of my statement.

Which is. No one cares about personal anecdotes of how well your army list works for you. Even if someone is telling the 100% truth (I have no reason to believe Loki is being disingenuous, for example), anecdotes are still useless because there can be any number of reasons for why someone is successful with what is considered a sub-optimal list.

It weakens my faith in humanity that Iced had to spell that out for fellas, though.

Why didn't you just say that then? =P

Because I hate everyone.

As to the Ranged vs CC arguments for how the NEW TYRANID CODEX (topic) should operate, here are my thoughts:

1.) I like my tyranids focused on CC. It's fun, it feels "right", and when they get there they excel at it.
2.) The enemy is typically loaded for bear with shooting units, with maybe 1 or 2 "combat" units (orks & Daemons excluded).
3.) This means that my combat oriented army (genestealers, lictors, trygons, raveners, etc) loses 40-80% of it's models (yes, sometimes 80%) while it tries to make it into combat while the enemy army remains Untouched


Now, that being the state of the army of how i would LIKE to play it vs how NEED to play it to win, means I must incorporate shooting units into my army so that i can weaken the enemy and lessen the impact my army takes on their way into combat. Hive Guard, Flyrants, and Biovores have been the primary additions to my force to try and help with this.

I would rather this new codex promote multiple builds, with 2 or 3 of them competitive, much in the way the other 6th edition codices have been made. But 6th edition being what it is today, i foresee that shooting will have to be an integral portion of my force for games to come.

rollawaythestone wrote:
Sharing this from GW digital's Facebook. Nothing we didn't know. Swarmy is 285.

This does tell us one new thing...hive guard can't be bought and attached to tyrants...most likely...as they aren't located in the hq section whatsoever

"Tyrant Guard Brood" is right there in that section.

As long as I can kill a spacemarine with under four models I'l be happy.
BTW, if devourers are the same, devilgaunts still rape ass.

 ductvader wrote:


This does tell us one new thing...tyrant guard can't be bought and attached to tyrants...most likely...as they aren't located in the hq section whatsoever

They are literally RIGHT BELOW the swarmlord's title on the left.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 ductvader wrote:


This does tell us one new thing...tyrant guard can't be bought and attached to tyrants...most likely...as they aren't located in the hq section whatsoever

They are literally RIGHT BELOW the swarmlord's title on the left.

Lol.

You missed my edit, hive guard.

It's good to know that the Tyranid "retinue" still functions uniquely to the others across the 40k-verse.

I'm kind of excited that I don't know everything in this book. As far as rules go, I mean. It gives me something to be somewhat surprised about as I read. I can't remember a codex where I wasn't fully aware of every rule and points cost about a month out, and here I am with my pet army not knowing what to expect. Yet at the same time, not too much changes from one edition to the next, so I kind of expect certain things...

It's like going to a haunted house, where you know those stupid clown heads and strobe lights are coming, but you don't know when they will actually pop up.

 brassangel wrote:
It's good to know that the Tyranid "retinue" still functions uniquely to the others across the 40k-verse.

I'm kind of excited that I don't know everything in this book. As far as rules go, I mean. It gives me something to be somewhat surprised about as I read. I can't remember a codex where I wasn't fully aware of every rule and points cost about a month out, and here I am with my pet army not knowing what to expect. Yet at the same time, not too much changes from one edition to the next, so I kind of expect certain things...

It's like going to a haunted house, where you know those stupid clown heads and strobe lights are coming, but you don't know when they will actually pop up.

And let's face it...the really smart and fun combos...are always generated by players like us.

 ductvader wrote:
You missed my edit, hive guard.

... Hive guard never could. They're Elites that shoot without LoS.

rigeld2 wrote:

 ductvader wrote:
You missed my edit, hive guard.

... Hive guard never could. They're Elites that shoot without LoS.

Obviously, just noting the possibility that the hive guard brood bodyguard rumor is most likely false.

 ductvader wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 ductvader wrote:
You missed my edit, hive guard.

... Hive guard never could. They're Elites that shoot without LoS.

Obviously, just noting the possibility that the hive guard brood bodyguard rumor is most likely false.

I must've missed that rumor. Or maybe I assumed that whoever was reporting it confused hive and tyrant guard (happens way too often).

people took the 'living fortress' apoc formation and ran with it.

Does anyone know if the digital Codexes are available right after midnight on the 11th? And is it based on GMT or your local timezone?

Zookie wrote:
Does anyone know if the digital Codexes are available right after midnight on the 11th? And is it based on GMT or your local timezone?

The White Dwarf didn't go up for download until about 10am AEST on the 4th, so I'd expect a similar restriction on the Codex.


The other thing that HQ force app thing tells us is that the Trygon Prime = HQ choice is most likely false.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

Zookie wrote:
Does anyone know if the digital Codexes are available right after midnight on the 11th? And is it based on GMT or your local timezone?

The White Dwarf didn't go up for download until about 10am AEST on the 4th, so I'd expect a similar restriction on the Codex.


The other thing that HQ force app thing tells us is that the Trygon Prime = HQ choice is most likely false.

That's 1AM GMT right? If that holds true that means I be able to get it on Friday evening awesome!

Someone who has greater knowledge of the general release timeline should weigh in on this, as I've heard that local time has no bearing on when it goes online, it's all based on GMT.

I would've assumed iTunes is sophisticated enough to determine what time it is in the location your account is registered to, it has the ability to determine ISP after all, but apparently not.

Zookie wrote:
Does anyone know if the digital Codexes are available right after midnight on the 11th? And is it based on GMT or your local timezone?

I live in the Mountain Time timezone in the US which is 7 hours behind GMT and stuff from BL usually drops promptly at 5pm which is midnight GMT. Well, except for the Advent Calender stuff. The stuff was release at weird times. That being said, I have the digidex preordered, so I'll probably have it downloaded on Friday around 5pm.

Edit: This is based on my previous purchases of the C: =I= and Iron Hands Supplement. Both were available at 5pm MST on fridays.

That sinsigel dude on Warseer who was givng out info yesterday posted pics of the codex:

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r547/Sinsigel/20140107_172102_zps204415c8.jpg


It's not looking great guys :(

Some infos again.

Synapse Creature : 12" Fearless and auto-regroup

Adrenalin Gland : Furious Charge and Fleet

Toxic Sacs : poisoned CC

Lictors : Now have infiltrate but without bonus to reserve rolls. About 20% pts drop

Deathleaper : Slight pts reduction, Changed to HQ. Has warlord traits giving additional VP when wins challenge.
No fearless but gained infiltrate. Enemies can only shoot snap shots against it and it still give penalty to enemy leadership.
No what was that and where'd it go

Tail weapons : CC weapon. Four kinds

1) S8, AP-
2) S6, AP5
3) Poisoned
4) S4 AP4 Rending

Ravener : Slightly less attack. No acute senses and no move through cover
May take expensive champion upgrade which can remove infantry model in b2b if all attacks hit.

Some of the psychics are : -D3 to WS and BS ; Allows friendly unit to run and shoot

Rending Claws have AP value of bolter. And No ymgarls

Hive tyrant can still give outflank to one troop unit by purchasing extra upgrade. Can only use tyranid psychics. So no biomancy

Flesh hook without rending

No 2+ armour for carnifexes. Although tyrants, tervigon and trygon can take it via bio-artifacts.(See below)

There are few bio-artifacts compared to other codices.
Some of them are : Bonesword with strength buff ; Ymgarl transformation(Which can increase armour save slightly)

Trygon of both kind are bit cheaper at the cost of slightly less attack. The tunnel rule remains largely unchanged

Instictive behaviours are fixed per unit just like former codex.
However, there are three specific results per behaviour depending on dice.

Lurk : Fall Back / Can shoot only when hidden / Can shot only when hidden + Stealth

Hunt : Go to Ground / Shoot closest unit / Shoot closest enemy unit + Preferred Enemy

Feed : Inflicting hits on themselves / Assault closest enemy units / Assualt closest enemy unit + Rage

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Can anyone with a Warseer account ask him about Venomthropes?