Excellent, now I just need last name, date of birth, and mother's maiden name and I can start taking credit cards out in your name. Though that's pretty cool you've got a model named after you
So which Military Order do you belong to, PsychoticStorm?
And I just noticed, why are all of the women in the Dire Foes line wearing high heels? Anyat, I'm looking at you, especially. I hardly think that high heels are going to be the most effective footwear for a Morat.
Barzam wrote: So which Military Order do you belong to, PsychoticStorm?
And I just noticed, why are all of the women in the Dire Foes line wearing high heels? Anyat, I'm looking at you, especially. I hardly think that high heels are going to be the most effective footwear for a Morat.
Order of the Holy Sepulchre, by far the most badass looking order, it seems.
Sepulchurists have in my opinion the best background, the best armour design and the best selection of abilities among the military orders, unsurprisingly they are my favorite military order!
I really love Yasbirs design, it combines the best elements from all hassassin bahrams design.
@ PS - just watched the upload of the Gencon Infinity seminar. Your expression was priceless when Konstantinos was being shown! Great to see someone who has put so much effort into the international forum getting some deserved recognition!
Yes think the Dire Foes and mission pack sounds like a great idea, really looking forward to how they turn out.
Barzam wrote: So which Military Order do you belong to, PsychoticStorm?
And I just noticed, why are all of the women in the Dire Foes line wearing high heels? Anyat, I'm looking at you, especially. I hardly think that high heels are going to be the most effective footwear for a Morat.
The Cat Daktari, amongst others, has proven that high heels are the most effective footwear for a spec-ops soldier. And when coupled with a short skirt and provocative pose improves fighting ability almost 300%
I wish I had gone to that GenCon seminar. I bought the Infinity rulebook a couple years ago but never played. I had a chance to play a demo game at the con, by a very friendly presenter, and ended up buying the art book.
It was pretty cool seeing Angel painted figures in person, although I came away feeling like painting at that level IS achievable. All the pro-painted minis regardless of manufacturer simply weren't as good 'in person'... not sure why but online many miniatures look flawless. Don't get me wrong they're amazing, but not superhuman.
As someone that doesn't even play the game (yet) the artbook is a worthy purchase, simply beautiful images.
Pacific wrote: Yes think the Dire Foes and mission pack sounds like a great idea, really looking forward to how they turn out.
Barzam wrote: So which Military Order do you belong to, PsychoticStorm?
And I just noticed, why are all of the women in the Dire Foes line wearing high heels? Anyat, I'm looking at you, especially. I hardly think that high heels are going to be the most effective footwear for a Morat.
The Cat Daktari, amongst others, has proven that high heels are the most effective footwear for a spec-ops soldier. And when coupled with a short skirt and provocative pose improves fighting ability almost 300%
And don't forget military cost savings from reducing female standard combat vests to ending at just above the navel!
But yeah, the gender aesthetics in Infinity have always been a bit wonky. Men get normal boots, full armour and bad-ass poses.
Women always get high-heels, some level of boob-plate and may, optionally, have combat-crop-top and/or cheesecake/cutesy non-combat poses. The last two are the only ones that tend to fluctuate from model to model (though combat-crop-top started getting really common lately; or maybe I'm just noticing it more). But I digress.
I'll probably pick up the box with the JSA Spec-Ops in it, but I am selling off Manic McPixie Girl since she will likely hit all of my eye-roll buttons. I'm sure she must have snuck in from the Bootleg line.
The Cat Daktari, amongst others, has proven that high heels are the most effective footwear for a spec-ops soldier. And when coupled with a short skirt and provocative pose improves ability to murder one's own forces with a hypo almost 300%
Fixed that for you. I'm pretty sure that 95% of Daktari casualties are "friendly".
For anyone of the newer guys who haven't yet read it, I recommend checking out the comic strip thread on the official forums - this is an example (think the Yasbir chap helped with these, and he and some of the other characters featured at GenCon appear there)
But yeah, the gender aesthetics in Infinity have always been a bit wonky. Men get normal boots, full armour and bad-ass poses.
Women always get high-heels, some level of boob-plate and may, optionally, have combat-crop-top and/or cheesecake/cutesy non-combat poses. The last two are the only ones that tend to fluctuate from model to model (though combat-crop-top started getting really common lately; or maybe I'm just noticing it more). But I digress.
I'll probably pick up the box with the JSA Spec-Ops in it, but I am selling off Manic McPixie Girl since she will likely hit all of my eye-roll buttons. I'm sure she must have snuck in from the Bootleg line.
It is only "wonky" if you don't watch anime, becouse you know it's anime designs (such as GitS) that CB used as a base for the Infinity world. Don't like high hells, take it up with Japan.
++Edit++ Just realised, 200 pages of this thread - should there be some kind of special event/something or other, to mark the occasion?
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: In a world full of IEDs and Mines it's almost plausible the combat high heel might have a role
it would have a contact patch about 1/3 the size of a traditional combat boot,
so the wearer would be less likely to trip a mine etc
(of course they would be more likely to trip over....)
Thanks very much, that's just about a logical enough explanation for me to put forward every time someone has the temerity to question the high-heels/short skirt set-up
Noir wrote: It is only "wonky" if you don't watch anime, becouse you know it's anime designs (such as GitS) that CB used as a base for the Infinity world. Don't like high hells, take it up with Japan.
In Ghost in the Shell, The Major wears combat boots. She never wears high heels. Also, her body is made of armor.
Even that is easily explainable in that her robo-skin is what makes her invisible. Why spend extra resources on TO Camo cloth? Not too much of a stretch even if it is a rationalization. In the movie "Mystery Men" Kel turns invisible in the same way, and "The Invisible Man" is only invisible when he is naked; both are male and not leaning towards sex appeal.
Infinity's Combat-Heel being for protection against mines is the best explanation I've heard, and it's still a ridiculous stretch.
Noir wrote: It is only "wonky" if you don't watch anime, becouse you know it's anime designs (such as GitS) that CB used as a base for the Infinity world. Don't like high hells, take it up with Japan.
In Ghost in the Shell, The Major wears combat boots. She never wears high heels. Also, her body is made of armor.
Spoiler:
That nitpicking and you know it. I could of list all the anime they could be pulling from, but there is already a thread on it in the off-topic forum "what anime have you recently watched?" thats a good enough list.
The movie was garbage anyway (yeah, you heard me) and the stealth nudity was only invented for the movie. She wore clothing with optical camo built into it in the original comic. And besides, I'd say CB borrows far more heavily from Appleseed than it does from GITS.Hell, the ORC suits are FROM Appleseed. And in Appleseed Deunan never wore heels into battle either.
Noir wrote: That nitpicking and you know it. I could of list all the anime they could be pulling from, but there is already a thread on it in the off-topic forum "what anime have you recently watched?" thats a good enough list.
I actually don't watch nor like Anime. I just know references and have seen GitS. From what I understand, anime is rather varied, and it ranges from decent realism to T&A strippers vs mechs; saying "anime-influenced" is as vague as saying "Bollywood-influenced". Also, I recall that the writer of the comic went into exceptional detail to get the caliber of the firearms accurate and such.
Barzam wrote: And besides, I'd say CB borrows far more heavily from Appleseed than it does from GITS.Hell, the ORC suits are FROM Appleseed. And in Appleseed Deunan never wore heels into battle either.
But the entire Aleph faction takes heavily from GitS, if anything. The large-based remotes have a light Tachikoma look to them, and the Lhost concept is very much like The Major... especially Asuras.
Yeah, I suppose Aleph is fairly GITS influenced. PanO is very heavily influenced by Appleseed. I don't really see the resemblance between the remotes and the 'komas though. Now, the Maghariba on the other hand.....
Pacific wrote: ++Edit++ Just realised, 200 pages of this thread - should there be some kind of special event/something or other, to mark the occasion?
I made cupcakes earlier for an unrelated incident, but I choose to decorate one as the 200 page cupcake of doom.
Thanks very much, that's just about a logical enough explanation for me to put forward every time someone has the temerity to question the high-heels/short skirt set-up
So why are only the women wearing them?
Anyways I think it worth mentioning that hints are being dropped about the Iguana being a September release. Fingers crossed.
Might change my avatar for the occasion - 10 years + of trolling various forums I have always used this same avatar - so maybe change to something Infinity related for a short while.. ?
Sad that is the only thing I can think of though..
Anyways I think it worth mentioning that hints are being dropped about the Iguana being a September release. Fingers crossed.
Haha yes, quite !
The Iguana is actually the one occasion I don't want the mini to be released yet - got permission to use my Antenociti 'Komodo' suit in ITS, but presumably that will be void when the official mini is released. Shame, as without seeing the Iguana yet, the Antenociti mini I have kind of matches the character of my QP.. :(
The Iguana is actually the one occasion I don't want the mini to be released yet - got permission to use my Antenociti 'Komodo' suit in ITS, but presumably that will be void when the official mini is released. Shame, as without seeing the Iguana yet, the Antenociti mini I have kind of matches the character of my QP.. :(
The Komodo suit is way to tiny to be used as a Iguana anyways since the Iguana is regular TAG size. Komdod could be used as a Gecko until they come out.
The Iguana is actually the one occasion I don't want the mini to be released yet - got permission to use my Antenociti 'Komodo' suit in ITS, but presumably that will be void when the official mini is released. Shame, as without seeing the Iguana yet, the Antenociti mini I have kind of matches the character of my QP.. :(
The Komodo suit is way to tiny to be used as a Iguana anyways since the Iguana is regular TAG size. Komdod could be used as a Gecko until they come out.
Technically anything can be considered an appropriate proxy until concept art/scale shots are released.
Now that we have seen the Iguana render however--yeah, the Komodo is way too small unless you have two of them standing on top of each other.
The Iguana is actually the one occasion I don't want the mini to be released yet - got permission to use my Antenociti 'Komodo' suit in ITS, but presumably that will be void when the official mini is released. Shame, as without seeing the Iguana yet, the Antenociti mini I have kind of matches the character of my QP.. :(
The Komodo suit is way to tiny to be used as a Iguana anyways since the Iguana is regular TAG size. Komdod could be used as a Gecko until they come out.
My defence against this would be
- 'too small for a TAG' is a relative thing when considering the normal human-sized TAGs of Aleph (Achilles etc.)
- Its been OK'ed for an ITS tournament (for Tabletop Nation)
- It looks great!
I've used the Nomad heavy infantry as the guy inside (the HMG actually looks kind of similar) - and he has all of the wires sticking out, looks like he could have been inside the TAG.
I guess going forward I will have to use in friendly games, as a medium TAG that is not an Iguana but has similar effectiveness.
Yes I know that - I was just disputing regarding the Iguana being too-powerful a unit (stat wise) for the Komodo to be usable as a miniature. As a TAG it's not amazing, physically the miniature is bigger than the CA Sphinx.
Pacific wrote: Yes I know that - I was just disputing regarding the Iguana being too-powerful a unit (stat wise) for the Komodo to be usable as a miniature. As a TAG it's not amazing, physically the miniature is bigger than the CA Sphinx.
Again it's not a question of power but rather the idea of "modeling for advantage".
When there is no model or concept art or anything like that, it's easy enough to accept the Komodo as a placeholder for the Iguana but when we've now seen the renders and gotten an idea as to how it looks, how it is based, etc that becomes a different story.
Yes fair enough I suppose it could be perceived in that way.. the people I play with know I'm a respectful and law-abiding member of society however and would never do such a thing..
I don't think its beyond the realm of possibility, and I would hate the imagination surrounding Infinity to be curtailed in such a way, for 'Tata-McDonald Douglas' or whoever else makes TAGs in the 23rd century, to make a vehicle that is equivalent (stats wise) to an Iguana. In that respect I know for a fact no-one I play will have any problem of continuing to field the Komodo miniature.
I'm guessing in the hardcore ITS scene it might be a different matter however.
Pacific wrote: ... and I would hate the imagination surrounding Infinity to be curtailed in such a way, for 'Tata-McDonald Douglas' or whoever else makes TAGs in the 23rd century, to make a vehicle that is equivalent (stats wise) to an Iguana.
Damn right, I'd hate it if Infinity reached the point where there was outrage if you didn't use the official models all the time, atleast in a casual setting. There are some models/designs in the Haqq range I just don't like (looking at you Hafzas) and would always proxy.
To be honest I know from experience that, while these things aren't popular when you mention them on the internet, in reality it isn't really an issue.
I proxied (or perhaps, 'counts as' is a better description) Pre-Heresy World Eaters for 40k for years, using the Blood Angels codex to represent them. Far more of a leap than the Komodo - Iguana. That I had made such an effort with the army (every miniature was converted), and I knew the people I was playing against, I didn't ever have a single person refuse to play me and in actual fact (because I was one of those rare breed of 40k players with a fully painted army) I used to be 'reserved' sometimes weeks in advance.
Perhaps it comes down to face-to-face interactions rather than talking to someone in text boxes on the internet, with only their avatar to determine whether someone is a scheming wargaming-villain.. within a limited gaming group (or even internet group) you pretty much learn what someone is about when you meet them or at the very least play your first game against them. Remember reading about a guy who was planning on removing 1mm from the arm/legs of Scarface (to reduce its silhouette) but fortunately such people are a rarity.
Honestly I couldn't really care less in casual games against friends, if they wanted to use the komodo as an iguana it'd be fine. In a pickup game against someone you don't really know or an its tourney its a different matter.
I guess having a legitimate reason helps too, as in prefer the model/ can't afford the official one/ fits the aesthetic of the force better etc, especially if some effort has gone into the painting and modelling.
If I were going to use it as a permanent replacement I'd probably convert it or extend the base to make it taller having seen the real iguana but wouldn't require my opponents to.
Pacific wrote: To be honest I know from experience that, while these things aren't popular when you mention them on the internet, in reality it isn't really an issue.
I proxied (or perhaps, 'counts as' is a better description) Pre-Heresy World Eaters for 40k for years, using the Blood Angels codex to represent them. Far more of a leap than the Komodo - Iguana. That I had made such an effort with the army (every miniature was converted), and I knew the people I was playing against, I didn't ever have a single person refuse to play me and in actual fact (because I was one of those rare breed of 40k players with a fully painted army) I used to be 'reserved' sometimes weeks in advance.
This is a bit of a different case though than Komodo->Iguana.
When you proxied the entire army, I would assume that you used Marine models correct? And that they used weapons which were readily identifiable, on the same sized bases as any Blood Angels models, etc?
When doing it like that, and especially with the fact that you said that you "made such an effort with the army(every miniature was converted)", there is no real room for anyone to object. It was a labor of love for you not simply a color palette swap or a case of "This model is really this and this model is really this, but this model really is that"(not intended to be a dig at you Pacific) that you see with many proxy armies.
With Infinity there is a lot of room for proxying as many units are missing models for certain profiles or some profiles/units simply have not got a single model released yet. Hell sometimes you do not even have the concept art to work from!
With the Iguana though, there has always been the statement that it is in the same "weight class" as the Lizard TAG currently available. I have not seen the Komodo in person but it looks to be on a 40mm base where the Lizard uses a 60mm base.
Differences in height and width generally are frowned upon when proxying, even in friendly games, just because even if someone is not modeling for advantage it does give an advantage.
It's something that I personally considered when I was assembling my Corregidor force on Secret Weapons "Blasted Wetlands" bases which have a tiny 'dip' in the base itself making the models go slightly below where they would be on stock bases. It's why as many models as possible have been assembled to be standing with at least one foot perched on something to make the model have the same general height as a test model on a Corvus Belli base.
Perhaps it comes down to face-to-face interactions rather than talking to someone in text boxes on the internet, with only their avatar to determine whether someone is a scheming wargaming-villain.. within a limited gaming group (or even internet group) you pretty much learn what someone is about when you meet them or at the very least play your first game against them. Remember reading about a guy who was planning on removing 1mm from the arm/legs of Scarface (to reduce its silhouette) but fortunately such people are a rarity.
I proxied (or perhaps, 'counts as' is a better description) Pre-Heresy World Eaters for 40k for years, using the Blood Angels codex to represent them. Far more of a leap than the Komodo - Iguana. That I had made such an effort with the army (every miniature was converted), and I knew the people I was playing against, I didn't ever have a single person refuse to play me and in actual fact (because I was one of those rare breed of 40k players with a fully painted army) I used to be 'reserved' sometimes weeks in advance.
Is the model above the one you're using for the iguana? It seems like it would be a good substitution now for the gecko but it's significantly smaller than the iguana silhouette we now have. Comparing it to a Blood Angles to World Eater codex swap isn't an accurate comparison based on the size... it's more like a Terminator substituting in for a Crisis suit. Again, I don't think anyone would or should (like in your experience) have an issue with it while there is *no* art to base it off of but I'd suspect some would in the ITS type setting being mentioned now that there is an official guide (and I don't think that is unreasonable either). From what I've read, cover is extremely important and I'd suspect having a model that is so much smaller (if you're using the above model.. don't know if Anecoscitis makes different scales of that one) does change the situation compared with using the full sized model. An easy solution might be to use it as a gecko instead or just default to an appopriately sized model/cutout of the silhouette if there ever is an issue about cover.
See this is exactly what I'm talking about, if Pacific is happy using the model and his friends are happy with him using the model what does it matter what anyone on the internet thinks? Why is it such a big what someone you will probably never meet, nevermind play against, does?
Sorry if this comes across as pissy, I'm just fed up of reading threads where people complain strangers are "doing it wrong" :/
You shouldn't read discussion forums then because people have a habit of discussing things that are presented. Most of the people presenting potential issues have already said that he was "doing it right" in the past but rather that the circumstances for making that determination have changed significantly. It's just a simple presentation of viewpoints but I do agree though that it's a bit of a derailment for the N&R thread.
smiler wrote: See this is exactly what I'm talking about, if Pacific is happy using the model and his friends are happy with him using the model what does it matter what anyone on the internet thinks? Why is it such a big what someone you will probably never meet, nevermind play against, does?
Sorry if this comes across as pissy, I'm just fed up of reading threads where people complain strangers are "doing it wrong" :/
Who is complaining that anyone is "doing it wrong"?
We're having a discussion here. A discussion involves not just one party but multiple parties--and not just one viewpoint but multiples.
Except the discussion was the result of the picking up of a passing comment from Pacific and arguably should've been taken elseware. The news and rumours section and p&m section are pretty much all I read because I'm not interested in this kind of back and forth.
Anyway, I'll shut up, don't want to derail things further
More on topic, someone mentioned that Nomads' heavy infantry were being redone. Those are the Mobile Brigada, right? When did they mention they were being remade?
Kan and Warboss have made very valid points which I agree with - I'll continue to use the Komodo in friendly games, obviously not in the ITS setting now that the new concept art is released.. and hope that's to everyone's appoval?
More on topic, someone mentioned that Nomads' heavy infantry were being redone. Those are the Mobile Brigada, right? When did they mention they were being remade?
Yes that would make sense.. perhaps it might be after the rumoured Aguicales boxset comes?
Some pics from Studio Giraldez on Facebook..
Work of art...
And I think the final nail in the coffin in my resistance to collecting Tohaa... out of interest, what is the weird yellow thing on the female Tohaa's arm?
That defensive hacking device is the only unique Tohaa thing we've seen so far. It looks biotechnological in the way it's enveloping her arm. It's great.
I just wish they'd do more enveloping biological shapes and less yellow glowing chainmail.
Corvus are just pushing all my buttons right now, feeling the vibe again that I got when I first stumbled on them. Good times!
I think this is them at the top of their game and long may it continue. I certainly don't see any drop off on the horizon but at this point I think that starts to become a worry for us fans, 'flying too close to the sun' or 'the bigger they are' or some such thing. Nothing worth worrying about though I don't think, not any time soon.
Top of their game is right. They're honestly addressing all of the fans desires while still holding their own.
People complained about cat Daktari, we got human Daktari as the first functionally identical resculpt that exists alongside the original.
People wanted Wulver Girl, they got two.
People wanted missions beyond the core rules, we got a whole book.
People liked the tournaments, we got ITS-specific miniatures.
People wanted legit Merc lists, we're getting two sectorials.
People wanted loose weapons on sprues, we got them in a financially justifiable SpecOps blisters.
People complained about upside-down Shaolin, we got normal ones.
People loved the Aragoto, we got 1 more and a special character.
On top of all that, we're getting community shout-outs in the form of models with these Dire Foes.
It blows my mind how awesome this company is. The two times I had either a missing piece or a problematic molding, they sent me the pieces all the way from Spain (to the US) free of charge.
Corvus Belli really are at the top of their game and this increase in popularity is totally well-deserved.
Absolutionis wrote: Top of their game is right. They're honestly addressing all of the fans desires while still holding their own.
People complained about cat Daktari, we got human Daktari as the first functionally identical resculpt that exists alongside the original.
People wanted Wulver Girl, they got two.
People wanted missions beyond the core rules, we got a whole book.
People liked the tournaments, we got ITS-specific miniatures.
People wanted legit Merc lists, we're getting two sectorials.
People wanted loose weapons on sprues, we got them in a financially justifiable SpecOps blisters.
People complained about upside-down Shaolin, we got normal ones.
People loved the Aragoto, we got 1 more and a special character.
On top of all that, we're getting community shout-outs in the form of models with these Dire Foes.
It blows my mind how awesome this company is. The two times I had either a missing piece or a problematic molding, they sent me the pieces all the way from Spain (to the US) free of charge.
Corvus Belli really are at the top of their game and this increase in popularity is totally well-deserved.
Agreed. Not to mention the way they're letting other companies theme terrain to Infinity and even promoting it on their webpage, rather than trying to do it all themselves in a mediocre fashion just so they can lock down and guard their IP like some jealous sultan.
Agreed. Not to mention the way they're letting other companies theme terrain to Infinity and even promoting it on their webpage, rather than trying to do it all themselves in a mediocre fashion just so they can lock down and guard their IP like some jealous sultan.
That's actually not a good comparison.
They locked down their forum and the advertising for companies on the forums to make way for "officially licensed Infinity" companies, like Battlefoam or Micro Arts Studio or the new Bandua Wargames.
I don't fault them for having done it but they still did do it.
Agreed. Not to mention the way they're letting other companies theme terrain to Infinity and even promoting it on their webpage, rather than trying to do it all themselves in a mediocre fashion just so they can lock down and guard their IP like some jealous sultan.
That's actually not a good comparison.
They locked down their forum and the advertising for companies on the forums to make way for "officially licensed Infinity" companies, like Battlefoam or Micro Arts Studio or the new Bandua Wargames.
I don't fault them for having done it but they still did do it.
Absolutionis wrote: People complained about cat Daktari, we got human Daktari as the first functionally identical resculpt that exists alongside the original.
Nope, that was the male Interventor.
Anyway, where are these rumours of a Mobile Brigada resculpt coming from? Sounds like internet echos/wishlisting...
Agreed. Not to mention the way they're letting other companies theme terrain to Infinity and even promoting it on their webpage, rather than trying to do it all themselves in a mediocre fashion just so they can lock down and guard their IP like some jealous sultan.
That's actually not a good comparison.
They locked down their forum and the advertising for companies on the forums to make way for "officially licensed Infinity" companies, like Battlefoam or Micro Arts Studio or the new Bandua Wargames.
I don't fault them for having done it but they still did do it.
Interesting. But my point was more that Micro Arts Studio or Bandua Wargames have been on the front page of the website. This is far superior to a company that doesn't license their IP to any other miniatures producer and threatens to sue anyone releasing product vaguely resembling their own.
Absolutionis wrote: People complained about cat Daktari, we got human Daktari as the first functionally identical resculpt that exists alongside the original.
Nope, that was the male Interventor.
Anyway, where are these rumours of a Mobile Brigada resculpt coming from? Sounds like internet echos/wishlisting...
It is an echo from GenCon a year or so ago when it was mentioned that the Corregidor line is being redesigned entirely.
The Mobile Brigada is part of that line, so unless they actually come out and say "No we are not redoing the Mobile Brigada" it is not an unreasonable assumption.
I've got so much time for Morats all of a sudden. These are much more appealing to me, I hope they transfer well into miniatures. If they do, I'll be having myself a little group methinks.
Just got a confirmation that my Artbook has shipped from Wayland games - can't wait!
cincydooley wrote:Out of curiosity, what are the ITS specific models?
Also, the new morat art looks friggin awesome!
Do you mean ITS exclusive? There is a Max Scorpio mini that is only available if you get the Classic tournament pack from the Infinity online store.
Spoiler:
Casey's Law wrote:I've got so much time for Morats all of a sudden. These are much more appealing to me, I hope they transfer well into miniatures. If they do, I'll be having myself a little group methinks.
Yes me too.. always found the concept of the Morats the most evocative of the CA (kind of like the Jem Hadar from Star Trek: DS9), and these new minis look awesome..
@PStorm - Haha, those completely slipped my mind there, they are very promising and I'm sure I'll love them but I'll be completely convinced when we see them 'in the flesh'.
@Pacific - Nice link, I'm not a big trekky but I see where you are coming from. I think the EI aspect of CA is still the most intriguing to me but I love how Morats are all business.
Was at the FLGs gaming and managed to snatch an Artbook when the preorders came in - I gotta say, the mini is not that bad, the artbook is great and the prints are above and beyond of what I expected. Very good purchase
I love the design for Anyat (other than her shoes). I can't wait to get her. While I love the redesigns for the Morats, the only downside is that the previous models really aren't going to look right among them. Their armor felt more organic with lots of curves and segmented plates. The new ones are more high-tech looking with more edges and solid plates. Their weapons don't look quite so alien anymore either.
I really hope that they pose the Sogarat in a braced firing stance with the Feuerbach. I like the design, but the pose of the current one is just kind of bland. I'd like a more actiony version out of this new one.
Barzam wrote: I love the design for Anyat (other than her shoes). I can't wait to get her. While I love the redesigns for the Morats, the only downside is that the previous models really aren't going to look right among them. Their armor felt more organic with lots of curves and segmented plates. The new ones are more high-tech looking with more edges and solid plates. Their weapons don't look quite so alien anymore either.
I really hope that they pose the Sogarat in a braced firing stance with the Feuerbach. I like the design, but the pose of the current one is just kind of bland. I'd like a more actiony version out of this new one.
The good thing is that most of the Morat models since Human Sphere have been done in the more "high tech" look rather than organic, so really the only models which will look out of place are the old Vanguard/Daturazi and possibly the Suryat(which won't look right as heavily armored shock troops when the Vanguard are just as if not more armored. ).
Although part of the organic look is that creamy color that they used for the armor plates, in my opinion.
Bootleg line is a line that is intended to have miniatures that would not be released in the main line, it does not mean they are not playable or not intended for playing, but TAG pilots would not see a normal release if not for a themed month, likewise, battle damaged miniatures would not be produced as a normal release, but a themed bootleg release would work for them fine.
There will be some releases like the one of non combat personalities, were they "could not be used for gaming" (other than civilians) but I am sure players will find the inspiration.
OK, thanks for the answers. It's a neat idea: Infinity already has good miniatures, and this provides a release path for stuff that is a bit more detailed, complex, and/or just doesn't have a game rule by default. Neat.
The bootleg stuff is a great idea. The Mag pilot will definitely see table time for me (if the Mag ever gets blown up). The hard part is figuring out how to base it, as the only way I can see is base it as normal and if anyone asks wht there's a TAG cockpit on the ground, I'll just say it ejected.
But they've mentioned other stuff for the bootleg line I can't wait for, in particular The Old Man of the Mountain, the Hassassin leader. There will never be in game stats for him because he never leaves his base of operations, so getting a model of such an iconic fluff character is awesome.
I'm really excited for The Old Man of the Mountain too! At the same time I'm a little worried it breaks the mystery element though. We shall see how they go about it.
Just got my Artbook, and the only sensible thing I can say about it is 'OMFGROFLCOPTER!'
Absolutely bloody brilliant. Loads of new artwork, varied from the miniature 'concepts' (that we often see displayed), from individual units to action scenes, even pictures of 'life in the infinity universe' (A Yu-Jing trooper eye-scanning a citizen in a crowded street scene being a favourite of mine). If you had been sitting on the fence about it, would thoroughly recommend it.
-Loki- wrote: The bootleg stuff is a great idea. The Mag pilot will definitely see table time for me (if the Mag ever gets blown up). The hard part is figuring out how to base it, as the only way I can see is base it as normal and if anyone asks wht there's a TAG cockpit on the ground, I'll just say it ejected.
Yup.. as a longtime Haqq players its a bit shameful that I don't have the Maghariba TAG yet, with the pilot mini out will probably getting the 2 of them together in an order at some point. Entirely reasonable to assume that the little cockpit piece could launch out the top of the vehicle as it was destroyed
My book just came in today too, though I won't actually be able to look at it until tomorrow. I was surprised because I got mine from The Warstore, but they didn't send me any notices that it had arrived or that it was shipped. All I got was a notice from UPS that I had a package coming and it didn't say where it was coming from or what it was. Plus coming from Spark, Nevada kind of confused me as well.
Barzam wrote: My book just came in today too, though I won't actually be able to look at it until tomorrow. I was surprised because I got mine from The Warstore, but they didn't send me any notices that it had arrived or that it was shipped. All I got was a notice from UPS that I had a package coming and it didn't say where it was coming from or what it was. Plus coming from Spark, Nevada kind of confused me as well.
They are now officially in stock at The Warstore.
Spark, Nevada is where they have their secondary warehouse.
Barzam wrote: My book just came in today too, though I won't actually be able to look at it until tomorrow. I was surprised because I got mine from The Warstore, but they didn't send me any notices that it had arrived or that it was shipped. All I got was a notice from UPS that I had a package coming and it didn't say where it was coming from or what it was. Plus coming from Spark, Nevada kind of confused me as well.
They are now officially in stock at The Warstore.
Spark, Nevada is where they have their secondary warehouse.
That's good to know because I also got mine from the Warstore and did get a notification it shipped with tracking number and was trying to figure out why it started in Nevada. *zooms to check tracking* Woot, mine is waiting for me a day earlier then scheduled... I'll be in my bunk.
New Profile's been posted for Miranda Ashcroft. Not a bad figure at all! Interesting to note that she can be used in any ITS non-sectoral, non alien list.
Baalirock wrote: New Profile's been posted for Miranda Ashcroft. Not a bad figure at all! Interesting to note that she can be used in any ITS non-sectorial, non alien list.
Baiyuan wrote: So she doesn't have booty? I thought that was the whole point of her...
Lol, I'm guessing that the intended meaning of the above post is likely different to the one that popped into my head first based off of the typical CB posing of female characters in both infinity concept art and minis.
The (supposedly) intended reason for the Bounty Hunters was to counteract the fact that "generic" lists did not have the same drawing power as a Sectorial list.
By making it so that:
(1) No generic Bounty Hunter model released
(2) Before the release of a generic Bounty Hunter, a "special character" Bounty Hunter saw release
They have defeated the whole purpose of Bounty Hunters while not even having made a generic model available for sale.
Kanluwen wrote: The (supposedly) intended reason for the Bounty Hunters was to counteract the fact that "generic" lists did not have the same drawing power as a Sectorial list. By making it so that: (1) No generic Bounty Hunter model released (2) Before the release of a generic Bounty Hunter, a "special character" Bounty Hunter saw release
Miranda is a reward for loyal fans willing to pre-order a new product, so I really don't see a problem with releasing her before an official Bounty Hunter.
I can't speak for everyone but the draw of a sectorial for me is the unified style and the limited options like lack of MSV2s. Finding ways around the built in weaknesses feels more rewarding then having every option on hand. Adding more unit profiles isn't going to make me want to pick up a vanilla faction.
PsychoticStorm wrote: There will be some releases like the one of non combat personalities, were they "could not be used for gaming" (other than civilians) but I am sure players will find the inspiration.
Conversion fodder! Seriously, I can't wait to see the Dire Foes noncombatants up-armored. As an ISS player who can field 3 bounty hunters at a time, I'm gonna need to mock up a few ITS-legal proxies and those civvies are looking like the right place to start.
Oh, and AShcroft can be used in a sectorial: ISS. I have a 4-bountyhunter list (Ashcroft, Sforza, 2 generics) that I'm dying to try out. Probably not the toughest customers, but they'll be fun to play with a Kuang Shi horde to give them a lot of orders.
PsychoticStorm wrote:You are thinking generic bounty hunters.
Must be, yes. I still find it surprising though.
warboss wrote:Lol, I'm guessing that the intended meaning of the above post is likely different to the one that popped into my head first based off of the typical CB posing of female characters in both infinity concept art and minis.
Actually I had considered adding the word "skill", but I found it way funnier this way. I knew some fellow perv would jump to it. Kudos, you're one of us, perv.
Kanluwen wrote:But he brings up a valid point.
The (supposedly) intended reason for the Bounty Hunters was to counteract the fact that "generic" lists did not have the same drawing power as a Sectorial list.
By making it so that:
(1) No generic Bounty Hunter model released
(2) Before the release of a generic Bounty Hunter, a "special character" Bounty Hunter saw release
They have defeated the whole purpose of Bounty Hunters while not even having made a generic model available for sale.
I agree, it's a somewhat strange timing, but alas, we'll get over it.
Pacific wrote: Some pics from Studio Giraldez on Facebook..
Work of art...
And I think the final nail in the coffin in my resistance to collecting Tohaa... out of interest, what is the weird yellow thing on the female Tohaa's arm?
Are there any other upcoming / unreleased Tohaa models that have been shown other than these? Like, any hitting in the next few months?
Thanks in advance . I trolled the last 10 pages or so of this thread but it's all a little hard to keep track of!
As of this point, it is anyone's guess. I'm hazarding a guess for March or April of 2014--depending on whether they do the double box route or not.
RiTides: There will probably be a new Tohaa release for September/October. Haphazard guess is that it will be a blister.
There is an alternate SpecOps that will be coming with the "Dire Foes" sets(Shasvastii v. Tohaa in this case).
Also the first model in your image is Yu Jing not Tohaa.
Ah, thanks! So the ones shown are the only things there have been pics of? I thought for Sept/Oct release, pics would have to be out already.
For "Dire Foes" you have to buy a 2-faction box set to get the Tohaa? I guess I may be interested in splitting one with someone at some point, then
As you may have discerned, I am getting interested in Tohaa once again! I need to do some selling first, but then I may pick some up. The guys at my FLGS are playing again, and since I'm dropping warmachine I want to have a skirmish game I can play against folks there.
For "Dire Foes" you have to buy a 2-faction box set to get the Tohaa? I guess I may be interested in splitting one with someone at some point, then .
Didn't someone say there was going to be some kind of special scenarios with the 'Dire foes' boxes with the 2 characters against each other? If so I guess there will be a lot of trades and swaps going on with those guys.
For "Dire Foes" you have to buy a 2-faction box set to get the Tohaa? I guess I may be interested in splitting one with someone at some point, then .
Didn't someone say there was going to be some kind of special scenarios with the 'Dire foes' boxes with the 2 characters against each other? If so I guess there will be a lot of trades and swaps going on with those guys.
IIRC, they each come with 2 spec ops and a civilian. The box will include a scenario involving all 3.
PsychoticStorm wrote: They still try to make two Gecko fit in one box, so it will take some time.
I'm really interested to see how they will manage this. Specially when everybody with the Artbook one already knows that the Anaconda and Gecko are more or less the same thing, and that the scale comparison image just contradicts the size shown in the designs.
PsychoticStorm wrote: They still try to make two Gecko fit in one box, so it will take some time.
I'm really interested to see how they will manage this. Specially when everybody with the Artbook one already knows that the Anaconda and Gecko are more or less the same thing, and that the scale comparison image just contradicts the size shown in the designs.
I don't have the Artbook yet, so I can't comment on that, but the scale shot we've seen certainly makes it seem like "2 In A Box" is a distinct possibility, if not assured, for Geckos!
PsychoticStorm wrote: They still try to make two Gecko fit in one box, so it will take some time.
I'm really interested to see how they will manage this. Specially when everybody with the Artbook one already knows that the Anaconda and Gecko are more or less the same thing, and that the scale comparison image just contradicts the size shown in the designs.
I don't have the Artbook yet, so I can't comment on that, but the scale shot we've seen certainly makes it seem like "2 In A Box" is a distinct possibility, if not assured, for Geckos!
Quoting both for easier answer.
Overall I am clueless on how they will do it, even if the scale shot is correct the task is great, still Bostria said they are trying to fit two in the box.
The scale shot are two different diagrams, one on page 70 were Iguana and Gecko base bodies are shown next to each other,Gecko there seems to be a head shorter than Iguana, the second on page 72 is a scale shot were Gecko is shown to be waist high to Iguana which is more in fit with its description.
Angel snuck this in as part of his "Step by Step" for Penthesilea that he is painting for Feast of Blades.
So it looks like they kept Nesaie's ridiculous hair. Sad.
The other model looks to be either a Tohaa Clipsos or Gao-Rael.
Actually I take that back. I have no clue what in the world the other is as the base itself is just a blank, slotless base.
But yeah, that might be part of it too - but then, I'm not sure everyone interested in Infinity for its Anime stylings would classify that as "nonsense".
You can have anime stylings without ruining a perfectly good aesthetic.
Look at the Myrmidons(Officer, boxed set and Spitfire) and Thorakitai from the Steel Phalanx boxed set.
They match with all the Myrmidon characters, even Phoenix with his Chuck Norris beard and braid.
Then look at the Myrmidon Hacker. That is what is going to be happening with Nesaie and her stupid hair.
Then there really isn't all that much to discuss at the moment, I think. The art book is shipping out in the UK/Europe and The Warstore should have theirs soon(the printers mislabeled the shipment and it got stuck in customs over Labor Day) and most of the good art(IGUANA GECKO!) has been seen.
It is primarily speculation about what the other two release slots for September will be. Probably something PanO(Stephen Rao springs to mind) and Tohaa(Gao-Rael double blister of Boarding Shotgun/Combi Rifle or another Clipsos Infiltrator maybe).
What's wrong with the hacker? Well except the hair is weirdly sculpted and looks blocky.
The skirt on Atlanta is pretty out of place even though it's "Greek" looking. I think CB missed an opportunity to put optics on the tip of the spotbot's bunny ears. So it can peek over walls without exposing itself kind of like trench binoculars from WW1.
PsychoticStorm wrote: They still try to make two Gecko fit in one box, so it will take some time.
I'm really interested to see how they will manage this. Specially when everybody with the Artbook one already knows that the Anaconda and Gecko are more or less the same thing, and that the scale comparison image just contradicts the size shown in the designs.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. From the concept sketches the Iguana and Gecko share the same basic torso from the neck-ring down to about mid-thigh but the Iguana has a very tall head/neck and is digitigrade with much longer legs. That actually fits the scale comparison diagram surprisingly well.
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Different legs, slightly longer arms and a head that sticks out above the neck ring rather than being surrounded by it. The torso itself is the same size, or at least it's within about 10%.
IJW, I'm aware of that. However my point is when you look at pages 126 and 127, that's the Anaconda section. There you can see it clearly, it's not only that the early designs show it looks like a Gecko, but designers put it clearly with a "Anaconda/Gecko base body" tag too . Also when you compare the Anaconda and Gecko designs you realize they're both almost the same.
Then we have the Anaconda miniature, that despite no one has put any comparison pictures of his Anaconda model assembled yet, the official picture suggests it's as big as the old TAG models at least.
I think the better comparison would be to look at the Iguana Operator and see how it fits into the Gecko.
When we first started hearing about the Gecko's design process at Infinity Week this year there was mention of the Gecko and Iguana Operator shared components.
Here is Nessaiee Alke, for starters she is a Homeriade and an nutcase, so she can have her hair in any way she likes, she and the rest of Steel Phalanx are not "soldiers" in the traditional sense but a PR machine for Aleph, that includes having looks that would attract public opinion regardless of what the military might think or how impractical they may be.
anyone rushing off to Blue Table Painting in the hopes of getting this level of paintjob will be sorely disappointed...
though Century did almost as good a job as Angel does on the studio minis...
all the new minis are looking good...
i'm excited, as i have friends coming down in November, and i can finally get my hands on the Bootlegs...
maybe the JSA vs. Caledonia Dire Foes will be out before then...
Alpharius wrote: Anyone know the status of some of this apparently still unreleased MAS Infinity terrain?
Guys...
All that you can see in that photo is a combination of previously released Micro art Studio Products.
Those are:
The Guard House
The Objective room
The room can be assembled without the extra high walls, and that will make modular and easy to combine with other district 5 products like:
I think it's actually the floor of the objective room and those 'side' elements between floors. could be mistaken though, don't have any MAS stuff around here to compare.
This could be both, a new set or a combination of the old ones. I can't spot any new components, but then again not all MAS kits contain unique elements, it's more about the composition.
My guess would also be it's just great use of the kits. The big base building basically just requires 4 normal buildings to construct.
Where's the pic from anyway?
Looking at it some more, I think it might be a combo of the existing District 5 Apartment, using only the long wall sections, and then using the 'Objective Room' floor piece for both the floor and roof.
Expensive to pull off - unless you're at MAS HQ and just grab the necessary pieces!
you wouldn't need the obj. room; the 'regular' roof pieces do fit side by side if you construct something larger than 2x1 IIRC. also with a bit of creative use of glue you could likely use most of the short sections as well so it's not completely out of the realistic pricerange
Alpharius wrote: I'm talking about the big building in the back - it looks to be significantly larger than anything else currently available.
The only part that it took me a while to figure out is the long wall segment with the door in the center, and that's just because I haven't purchased an Objective Room yet.
All of those parts are from existing MAS buildings, just arranged in a very creative manner.
All I can do is laugh at your foolish gamer optimism (or pessimism). Sure, you're never going to just wake up one day and realize how much terrain you have after buying "just one (little, harmless, inexpensive) pack of terrain" every few weeks.
Pacific wrote: Sorry mate, was just going off the label on the website I took the pic from which was listed as Blue table painting.
Hey, it's cool, I just want credit to go where credit is due. You made a very understandable mistake.
Still, AFAIK, Century1 isn't affiliated with BTP in any way. Kinda worrying that their name is on his picture. I'm gonna send him a PM and see if he knows about this.
Edit: Did some more research and found the pic on the BTP page. It was just one of their guys praising his work, so no worries.
Pacific wrote: Sorry mate, was just going off the label on the website I took the pic from which was listed as Blue table painting.
Hey, it's cool, I just want credit to go where credit is due. You made a very understandable mistake.
Still, AFAIK, Century1 isn't affiliated with BTP in any way. Kinda worrying that their name is on his picture. I'm gonna send him a PM and see if he knows about this.
~Tim?
Jah did correct him in the post following the incorrect credit. It would probably be best if Century1 watermarked his photos. It is horribly discouraging when some lowlife will take credit for someone else's incredible work.
to be fair, ephrael, the BTP blogger did give credit to Century in the blog post...
he even said he thought he could paint, until he saw that mini....
so, fair play...
@Pacific: no worries, mate...
i just happen to follow painters quite closely, and recognize styles...
jah-joshua wrote: to be fair, ephrael, the BTP blogger did give credit to Century in the blog post...
he even said he thought he could paint, until he saw that mini....
so, fair play...
@Pacific: no worries, mate...
i just happen to follow painters quite closely, and recognize styles...
move along...
nothing to see here...
cheers
jah
Kind of like I'm starting to feel like a cyber-stalker now that you are posting on the Infinity forums Jah.
That Penthesilea is bloody amazing.. think I like that one as much as the Angel Giraldez miniature!
Hopefully not too long until September releases now.. will definitely be picking up the Qapu Khalqi boxset when that comes along. Been reading about the Holo-projector rules, as much as the Hafza minis look like troopers from an 80's cartoon, looks like there is a lot of room for some tomfoolery there with swapping your units around..
This Gecko, Iguana, Anaconda buisness is playing on my mind still.
Any actual art isn't worth referencing due to artistic license but there is a fair bit of other evidence now.
1. The Artbook clearly shows that the Gecko base only differs from the Iguana by having a shorter below the knee section and is therefore only slightly shorter overall.
2. Then it shows us that the Anaconda has the same base as the Gecko.
3. We have seen that the Anaconda is about average size for a TAG.
4. The fluff gives us the impression this is a very small TAG, almost like extended Personal Gear.
I think the clear weak link there is the fluff. That suggests to me that the Gecko is actually going to be only slightly smaller than average, possibly negligibly so, and there are going to be a helluva lot of disappointed faces when they arrive.
I really want to be wrong about that because I'd love to run 4 tiny TAGs but realistically I can't see it happening. If it wasn't for the Anaconda I could see it going the other way but that's a big nail in the coffin of what I was hoping for.
Casey - I wouldn't worry about it yet, I'm sure CB wouldn't have released this diagram if it didn't bear a close resemblance to how the finished product will turn out
Yeh the light armouring crossed my mind but it's the size I'm more concerned with.
Yeh, you're probably right Pacific, I hope so. That image would be much more desirable to me so I hope they go in that direction. I'm very interested to see how this fits with the Anaconda/Gecko base concept though.
All Nomads TAGs are lizard series TAGs, Gecko in its description is the smallest of them, while they share the same design philosophy I am expecting them to be of different stature as the diagram shows, which has conveniently been pointed out that is in scale and fits the concept art too.
In any case as I said earlier, there is no way CB would release the size comparison chart if it did not reflect the models.
If Anaconda and Gecko share the same chassis/frame then I would expect the Anaconda to be a reference when making a size comparison. Also it makes me base my speculations regarding the Anaconda's profile in a slightly beefed up Gecko.
What about if someone with the Anaconda post a few size comparison pictures beside other TAGs?
I'm looking at you PS, who have the whole Infinity miniature range. So it would be nice and kind of you if you posted a few pictures comparing your assembled Anaconda with old TAGs like Guijia and Szalamander, new TAGs like Jottums, Dragoes, Oyoroi and Scarface, and small miniatures like Sphinx and the Anathematics, which someone would have expect to be Gecko's size.
There's an idea, some scale shots of the Anaconda might put this to bed since it's the spanner in the works of what the other data is showing. Maybe it's actually quite small and just looks tall.
NuclearMessiah wrote: So question, hopefully I didn't miss it in the hundreds of pages here, but when are the new TAGs slated for release?
Which new TAGs? The Corregidor ones?
The Iguana is rumored to be a September(more like mid to late October for the US) release and the Gecko is to be announced, most likely sometime next year.
NuclearMessiah wrote: So question, hopefully I didn't miss it in the hundreds of pages here, but when are the new TAGs slated for release?
Which new TAGs? The Corregidor ones?
The Iguana is rumored to be a September(more like mid to late October for the US) release and the Gecko is to be announced, most likely sometime next year.
Thanks, those were the two I care about, but figured there were others.
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Has CB ever changed the release schedule based on fan feedback/anticipation? It seems like there is a lot of positive response to the Gecko art and an earlier release than sometime in 2014 would be nice and fit in with the Iguana release. I realize there are reasons to not do it (competes with the lizard for the same nomad player $$$, they said theyre trying not to expand too quickly, etc) but frankly I wantsss mt preciousss...
So that's a new TAG base for the Iguana it looks like. The extenders look like they are plastic.
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warboss wrote: Has CB ever changed the release schedule based on fan feedback/anticipation? It seems like there is a lot of positive response to the Gecko art and an earlier release than sometime in 2014 would be nice and fit in with the Lizard release. I realize there are reasons to not do it (competes with the lizard for the same nomad player $$$, they said theyre trying not to expand too quickly, etc) but frankly I wantsss mt preciousss...
Most likely not. The Gecko would be 3D sculpted rather than hand sculpted and they at last mention only had one guy who does the 3D sculpting and he actually works outside of the company.
And you're mentioning the Iguana not the Lizard.
Gecko and Iguana=Corregidor.
Lizard=Bakunin.
warboss wrote: Sorry, I meant Iguana. The lizard conversion mention threw my still rookie nomenclature off.
I hope you don't think I was picking on you.
Personally I do not understand why they went for such similar names for the Bakunin and Corregidor TAGs when they could have gone mythical.
As it stands now for Nomad TAG squadrons?
Szalamandra(Salamander), Anaconda, Iguana, Lizard, and Gecko.
I get that they're all based off the "Reptile" series but c'mon guys.
warboss wrote: Sorry, I meant Iguana. The lizard conversion mention threw my still rookie nomenclature off.
I hope you don't think I was picking on you.
Personally I do not understand why they went for such similar names for the Bakunin and Corregidor TAGs when they could have gone mythical.
As it stands now for Nomad TAG squadrons?
Szalamandra(Salamander), Anaconda, Iguana, Lizard, and Gecko.
I get that they're all based off the "Reptile" series but c'mon guys.
No worries... no offense inferred or taken. Honestly, the above is at least discernable for a new English speaking player whereas I'm finding the vast majority of other unit names to be quite daunting to distinguish/remember. A general knowledge of historical military terms and some greek/latin roots helps occasionally but it feels like the entire product line rolls off the tongue about as easily as a Tau rank roll call.
Kanluwen wrote: So that's a new TAG base for the Iguana it looks like. The extenders look like they are plastic.
That'd be nice although could it just be basecoated?
If it was basecoated/primed then it would be white or grey rather than black as Angel primes Nomad models white/grey depending on what Sectorial/unit the model is from and if he is batchpainting.
Great news then, no more hacking off chunks of metal for those of us that don't like overhangs.
Btw, someone posted a Gecko heavy list in here a while back but I can't find it. Could I request a repost or link please? Or open a thread in the sub section because I'd like to hammer out a similar list for my own use next year. Thanks and sorry I forgot who it was.
As I am just getting into Infinity and sorting things out, I have a question on that list. Are most of those WildCat models not available yet? I see there are only like 2 listed for sale on the Warstore. I know the Iguana and Gecko aren't available yet.
JHall wrote: As I am just getting into Infinity and sorting things out, I have a question on that list. Are most of those WildCat models not available yet? I see there are only like 2 listed for sale on the Warstore. I know the Iguana and Gecko aren't available yet.
The Spitfire and Heavy Rocket Launcher are both available by themselves while the Wildcats with Combi Rifle+Light Flamethrower are available only in the Corregidor starter box at the moment.
What most likely will happen is that we will see a third blister OR a boxed set of some kind separately which will include a Hacker, Combi Rifle/Light Flamethrowers x1, and 2x Boarding Shotgun Wildcats.
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Called it on the dumb hair but the model is nice otherwise.
EEEW, the hair. It'll take me a couple of weeks to start liking that, or more likely a couple of hours to fix it.
In geneal I'm getting the feeling lately, that hair in Aleph isn't meant to look like hair. So my way to look at it is changing. I think just the anime vibe isn't enough to justify the ludicrous sculpts. Aleph has pretty much the creaziest hair-dos of all (nomads are fethed up too, but that's fitting their eccentricity). Mk.3, Myrm hacker etc. There has to be more to it than just style.
In preparation of painting my Asura I have decided to treat i.e. paint her plait like fiber muscle. Why wouldn't they give her a subtle extra limb, that she can use to strangle, grapple and whip with?
Under these assumptions maybe I'll warm to Nessaie's hair too.
The rest of the model...sweet diggity, can't wait to paint it.
warboss wrote: Has CB ever changed the release schedule based on fan feedback/anticipation? It seems like there is a lot of positive response to the Gecko art and an earlier release than sometime in 2014 would be nice and fit in with the Iguana release. I realize there are reasons to not do it (competes with the lizard for the same nomad player $$$, they said theyre trying not to expand too quickly, etc) but frankly I wantsss mt preciousss...
They have released miniatures though following fan appeals - the 'Wulver girls' being most notable, which is arguably a much bigger concession.
Thanks for the lists both of you. I had it in my head that Von Skyfury or maybe Pacific had posted one with Hellcats and Geckos at 300pts but I could be wrong. Either way you've given me something to think about.
I'm going to try and get together a 300pt list with 4 Geckos and something cool looking like Hellcats. Those Cats or on the higher point end for that size of list though, you can't take any nice profiles or your order starved. I'll have a look and see if I can find a cheerleadery link team that I can fall in love with. I'm not up to date on my Corregidor so their might be an obvious answer to that, I'll know shortly.
Nessiae looks awesome. I'm not in love with the hair but I do quite like it. Then again I'm a big fan of the Anime overtones that they slap on here and there. I think I'd be tempted to remove the pigtails and pin one to the back of her head as a funky ponytail.
Casey's Law wrote: I'm going to try and get together a 300pt list with 4 Geckos and something cool looking like Hellcats. Those Cats or on the higher point end for that size of list though, you can't take any nice profiles or your order starved. I'll have a look and see if I can find a cheerleadery link team that I can fall in love with. I'm not up to date on my Corregidor so their might be an obvious answer to that, I'll know shortly.
Doing 4 high cost models like Geckos (about 60 each?) and still having a functioning list is hard. I was trying for the longest time to do a 4 Asawira link but I get the feeling CB just put them in as a trollface option, knowing you'll never get such awesomeness to work. I settled for a link of 3 with a very basic force backing it up (Barid hacker, Farzan FO, Kameel EVO, 2 Ghulam rifles, Ghulam doctor, Ghulam Lt). It's the same problem you have with a TAG - the list becomes a one trick pony, and if the link goes down (and it'll have the biggest bullseye ever on it) you're left with a massively uphill battle.
Dare I say, but I think that's actually a non-cheescake mini! I really like the looks of her, wacky hair and all. I'm really jealous looking at those pics though because the Thorakitai that I painted up don't look anywhere near that nice. Hell, mine just look plain amateurish. I think next time I paint an Aleph figure, I'm not even going to bother trying the studio scheme. I'll never get mine to look that good.
Barzam wrote: Dare I say, but I think that's actually a non-cheescake mini! I really like the looks of her, wacky hair and all. I'm really jealous looking at those pics though because the Thorakitai that I painted up don't look anywhere near that nice. Hell, mine just look plain amateurish. I think next time I paint an Aleph figure, I'm not even going to bother trying the studio scheme. I'll never get mine to look that good.
That's the approach I've taken as well - imitating the studio scheme never works out well because I can't paint them to their standard.
Barzam wrote: Dare I say, but I think that's actually a non-cheescake mini! I really like the looks of her, wacky hair and all. I'm really jealous looking at those pics though because the Thorakitai that I painted up don't look anywhere near that nice. Hell, mine just look plain amateurish. I think next time I paint an Aleph figure, I'm not even going to bother trying the studio scheme. I'll never get mine to look that good.
That's the approach I've taken as well - imitating the studio scheme never works out well because I can't paint them to their standard.
It's worth trying to get your minis to the studio standard though. As long as you work towards a goal feel that your painting is improving your effort isn't wasted.
Kilkrazy wrote: If you don't like the hair, it would be easily cut off and covered over with putty to make a helmet.
Personally I like the hair but it is difficult to see from these angles if the ponytail on the left side is attached to her left arm and runs down the forearm. That might make cutting it off a little tricky. I really like the way that this mini has clothes sculpted on her midriff, baggy pants and even a belt covering her bottom. Not typical of CB female miniatures, especially the Aleph faction. This model makes me want to collect and paint an Aleph army next.
Loki, Noir - Thanks guys that helped a lot actually, the Gecko is around 50pts which means you can squeeze in 4 but it only really makes sense with an Alguacil link, Hellcats look amazing but you can only just take 5 with a lieutenant and engineer for 300pts. I also didn't realise we had an Alguacil box on the way which really changes things since I love the new hacker. I'll probably go with a list like PStorm's in that case with an Alguacil link.
Iguana Operator is finished.
And whatever that is behind the Iguana Operator for a unit dossier is something we might not have seen, considering he went out of his way to block that out.
I'd think that by the time they'd have a printed hardcover version we'd have gotten some hint, the way CB throws release schedules and hints thereto around
Bolognesus wrote: I'd think that by the time they'd have a printed hardcover version we'd have gotten some hint, the way CB throws release schedules and hints thereto around
Yeah, I know :( but I was still confused by a cover I did not know, as I own all the books
If you can understand what they say it's really funny It's cool having a spontaneus moment (because it turned out totally wrong) like that on tape. They seem to be working sooo hard hahaha
Slightly irksome but I got this statement from Secret Weapon Miniatures when I asked if they planned on making any scenic bases with extensions or things like that.
Secret Weapon Miniatures' Facebook Page wrote:Do you mean the little nubbins that Infinity use on their 40mm bases? While we wouldn't be able to do a set specifically for that we do have some other options in mind....
Also Infinity O-12 just posted this better image of the Intruder Sniper WIP
Is this the first time we have seen a Nomad pistol?
Kanluwen wrote: With any luck the HMG Intruder will be coming in a blister with the MULTI Sniper Intruder and a Hacker Intruder as well.
Keep on dreaming
It's far more probable that the Intruder Sniper will be released as a single blister, Even if you try to argue me that the new Hellcats were released in a blister of two. So far all "non boxed" snipers have come in a single blister: Lasiq sniper, Djanbazan sniper, Moderator sniper, Bagh Mari sniper, Nisse sniper, Gao Rael sniper, ...
Needless to say there's no way CB would release a 3 non basic light infantry blister.
Kanluwen wrote: With any luck the HMG Intruder will be coming in a blister with the MULTI Sniper Intruder and a Hacker Intruder as well.
Keep on dreaming
It's far more probable that the Intruder Sniper will be released as a single blister, Even if you try to argue me that the new Hellcats were released in a blister of two. So far all "non boxed" snipers have come in a single blister: Lasiq sniper, Djanbazan sniper, Moderator sniper, Bagh Mari sniper, Nisse sniper, Gao Rael sniper, ...
Needless to say there's no way CB would release a 3 non basic light infantry blister.
So you haven't been keeping up with CB and there new release plan it seems. Changes are coming, baby.
The intruder sniper does not have the the first Nomads pistol (the female morloks do), but does seem to be the first non combat attachment Nomads pistol.
I can see the sniper be bundled with another intruder if they decide to keep the same format with the hellcats, meaning a two models blister been replaced by a two models blister, the hacker would not be a bad option for that.
Wow...I'm a little bummed out now to have just bought the old Intruper sniper...At least now I know not to bother painting it, since this beauty is right around the corner.
Intruder looks like a nice update. Nothing exciting but a solid and necessary update.
And yeh that's the first pistol for Nomads, as PStorm said, the only other one has a CC attachment. Looks like he's got a good grip though so he's no good for female conversions. The best thing to do is to pressmould the gun in pouch still I feel. I was going to try and convert the Daktaris MediKit gun but it's too much hassle.
Angel posted these today. It's PanOceania(right) and Haqqislam(left).
Only thing we can reliably have for the PanOceanian model is that it is probably not from the ASA since they use jungle bases while most of the new Military Orders models have gone from jungle bases to these city styled bases and the Neoterran models used those bases as well.
NuclearMessiah wrote: One again sorry if I missed it, but do we have any idea on the October release yet?
An exact date? No. Pretty much best guesstimate is "Late October" for the actual model release. Expect preorders to go up end of September/early October.
What the contents are? More or less.
ALEPH-Alke(blister)
Nomad-Iguana(box)
Ariadna-Mormaer HMG(blister)
PanOceania release(blister)
Haqqislam release(blister)
A bit more speculation is going on and has resulted in a bit more in-depth looks at the PanOceania model. The windvanes on the model's back are distinctive of the Bagh-Mari(they use the jungle bases so it's extremely unlikely this is Stephen Rao), Knights of Santiago(one profile missing in the form of the Boarding Shotgun model currently but the pose is not a normal one for a Knight model as the model appears to be crouched down firing their weapon), and Hacker models.
Personally I'm guessing the PanO release is a Hexa Hacker or a Swiss Guard Hacker. There is enough bulk to the upper leg that it could be the trenchcoat on the Hexa bunched up for the crouched pose or the armor from a Swiss Guard.
PhantomViper wrote: Are there any rumours about when the other configurations of the Ekdromos are going to be released? I wan't my Hacker and HMG variants damn it!
No rumors. 90% chance it will be a double blister like the Hellcat HMG/Hacker though given the attempts to reduce the number of SKUs.
Remember however that Diomedes shows just how hard the Ekdromoi are to cast.
warboss wrote: Is it 2014 yet? Are the geckos out? I keep hoping I'll see them when I click "unread" on my subscribed page... (besides on Kan's avatar of course).
Don't say that, or people will start posting pictures of the actual lizard to tease you like they did with Raichu for Alpharius' Raicho.
warboss wrote: Is it 2014 yet? Are the geckos out? I keep hoping I'll see them when I click "unread" on my subscribed page... (besides on Kan's avatar of course).
Don't say that, or people will start posting pictures of the actual lizard to tease you like they did with Raichu for Alpharius' Raicho.
That was really annoying and cruel, and so I'm sure that no one will do that when it comes to the Nomad Gecko.
I did see this preview pic of the Gecko over on Angel's blog though:
KoganStyle wrote: To go back to the no sniper double blister comment, the celestial guard msr is bundled with the spitfire model, so its not unheard of.
Actually he was saying he hopes it's packed with the HMG and hacker - a triple special blister. Which they haven't done.
KoganStyle wrote: To go back to the no sniper double blister comment, the celestial guard msr is bundled with the spitfire model, so its not unheard of.
Actually he was saying he hopes it's packed with the HMG and hacker - a triple special blister. Which they haven't done.
To be fair though, the SKU issue and the whole "We won't make boxed sets for Infiltrator units" make units like the Gao-Rael, Bagh Mari, and Intruders the best candidates for a pair of blisters--one with triple "specialist" options and one with triple "generic" options.
My Bahram list is at the moment including a Ragik sniper, si I'd be happy. But I don't think it is - when I made that guess I thought the PanO model was the Haqq model, and those winglets would have been a dead giveaway for a Ragik.
This is the last full week of September, so I thought it would be early this week, but, technically, they could still showcase them on Monday September 30th, I guess?
But then, no one is buying September's releases in September, and we might as well just call them "October Previews", be done with it, and 'catch up', as it were...
-Loki- wrote: My Bahram list is at the moment including a Ragik sniper, si I'd be happy. But I don't think it is - when I made that guess I thought the PanO model was the Haqq model, and those winglets would have been a dead giveaway for a Ragik.
This might be a little OT, but how does he fare? Do you use him because of a tactical reason or because he costs less SWC and points than the staple HMG Ragik?
Alpharius wrote: This is the last full week of September, so I thought it would be early this week, but, technically, they could still showcase them on Monday September 30th, I guess?
But then, no one is buying September's releases in September, and we might as well just call them "October Previews", be done with it, and 'catch up', as it were...
I can see it working both ways... selling it in September OR previewing it in September are both reasons to call them September Previews.
Some BoW coverage for those that might be interested.
edit:- Lovely models, how easy are the larger Infinity tags to repose? I love the aesthetic and the model itself but the pointing pose just doesn't do it for me!
Alpharius wrote: This is the last full week of September, so I thought it would be early this week, but, technically, they could still showcase them on Monday September 30th, I guess?
But then, no one is buying September's releases in September, and we might as well just call them "October Previews", be done with it, and 'catch up', as it were...
I can see it working both ways... selling it in September OR previewing it in September are both reasons to call them September Previews.
Except they were always presented as (X) Month's models, for sale in (X) Month.
Kanluwen wrote:FINALLY.
If you're workblocked or cannot see, I'll put a rehost on Dakka with credit to BoW.
JOHIRA wrote: Okay, that's really cool. But uh, what's the deal with the, er, codpiece?
That's the question isn't it?
From the art book it appears to be a combination of armor plating for the operator(it lines up with the operator's torso when he's seated) and balance.
The massive upper legs as well are armor plating for the operator.
I am now getting a mental image of an Iguana, let's say running along the back of a space train, with it's tail swinging furiously to maintain balance and what I'll diplomatically call it's front tail swinging furiously in counter-action to the tail. And dainty civilized passengers on the train fainting from the scandal.
What would be even better would be if there was a jump-jet on the underside of that thing.
JOHIRA wrote: Okay, that's really cool. But uh, what's the deal with the, er, codpiece?
That's the question isn't it?
From the art book it appears to be a combination of armor plating for the operator(it lines up with the operator's torso when he's seated) and balance.
The massive upper legs as well are armor plating for the operator.
Perhaps the entirety of the population of New Guinea joined the Nomad nations and the tradition of *ahem* crotch gourds continued into the future TAG era?
Right. Now that the codpiece shenanigans are (hopefully) finished--or left over at the official Infinity forums...
Three more releases to be seen for September!
Ariadna--Caledonian Mormaer with HMG(according to Infinity O-12)
PanOceania and Haqqislam releases that Angel previewed.
Kanluwen wrote: Right. Now that the codpiece shenanigans are (hopefully) finished--or left over at the official Infinity forums...
Just pray that ribbing posters with joke versions of yet unreleased minis stays the photo meme here and not mecha-codpieces.
I have to say that the little guy (I assume heavy infantry.. probably the dismounted pilot?) next to the Iguana is a nice mini as well. Does he automatically survive the destruction of the TAG and dismount?
Kanluwen wrote: Right. Now that the codpiece shenanigans are (hopefully) finished--or left over at the official Infinity forums...
Just pray that ribbing posters with joke versions of yet unreleased minis stays the photo meme here and not mecha-codpieces.
I have to say that the little guy (I assume heavy infantry.. probably the dismounted pilot?) next to the Iguana is a nice mini as well. Does he automatically survive the destruction of the TAG and dismount?
Yes, he is the pilot, and yes, he is armed with a HMG!
As for whether or not he auto ejects...it all depends!
If he survives, he's still a serious threat, unlike most pilots who are only armed with pistols.
Of course, he also continues to contribute to the order pool too!
Example: Sergeant Anita Méndez, in her active turn and commanding her Iguana T.A.G. is facing an Ariadnan combat group, composed of a Veteran Kazak with AP Rifle, a Scout with an Ojótnik, and a TankHunter with his Autocannon. The dice are not favourable to sergeant Méndez, who only manages to take down the TankHunter, receiving a Critical hit from the Veteran Kazak and an impact from the Scout, failing the ARM Roll. So, the Iguana has lost 2 STR points, activating its Ejection System at the end of the Order. Anita must make a PH Roll to see if her player can choose the landing point. She rolls a 14 - with PH 12, this is a failure and means her Dispersion is 8 inches towards the number 4 indicated by the Template. If she succeeded at the roll, she could have chosen the landing point inside the 8 inch radius. It seems this is not a good day for Anita, but she still has her HMG and can keep fighting.
Let’s suppose Anita had not succeeded against the TankHunter, and had failed two of the three ARM Rolls the Explosive Special Ammunition of the Autocannon causes. Then, her Iguana would have lost 2 STR points (from the Critical hit and the impact of the Scout) and she would suffer two Wounds (from the Autocannon), rolled against the ARM value of the T.A.G. In such a case, the Ejection System of her Iguana still activates, launching an Unconscious Anita 8 inches, hopefully in the direction of a nearby Doctor. If sergeant Anita had failed all three ARM Rolls caused by the Autocannon’s hits, then her dead body would be launched 8 inches.
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WILDCAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (19)
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GECKO Mk12, Chain-colt, Blitzen / . (1.5 | 55)
CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (18)
ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)
ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)
