JOHIRA wrote: Okay, that's really cool. But uh, what's the deal with the, er, codpiece?
That's the question isn't it?
From the art book it appears to be a combination of armor plating for the operator(it lines up with the operator's torso when he's seated) and balance.
The massive upper legs as well are armor plating for the operator.
Perhaps the entirety of the population of New Guinea joined the Nomad nations and the tradition of *ahem* crotch gourds continued into the future TAG era?
Either way, it's a quick and easy fix to just circumcise under the first armor plate to get a more traditional robot codpiece.
Warboss I didn't know you were into Infinity now! I guess me telling you about the game made you look into it? ;P
I think the piece between the legs is an anime nod, or rather a video game nod. If you've played Zone of the Enders you know about the 'cockpit' they all literally have.
The Gecko does not, currently, have an ejection system.
I think it might get one, they're not beyond revising profiles in between books.
I think the original "vision" for the Gecko was that it would be a small powered exoskeleton closer to the Iguana Operator than the monster it looks like we are getting.
Red Comet wrote: Warboss I didn't know you were into Infinity now! I guess me telling you about the game made you look into it? ;P
Technically.. I'm not yet but I've been intrigued for a while (hence my questions for you). I'm waiting on the geckos to see if I'll take the plunge or not. I like the concept art but I've been somewhat surprised and/or disappointed with the conversion of concept art into minis with Infinity so I'm not spending anything until I see finished minis (as opposed to even renders).
Red Comet wrote: Warboss I didn't know you were into Infinity now! I guess me telling you about the game made you look into it? ;P
Technically.. I'm not yet but I've been intrigued for a while (hence my questions for you). I'm waiting on the geckos to see if I'll take the plunge or not. I like the concept art but I've been somewhat surprised and/or disappointed with the conversion of concept art into minis with Infinity so I'm not spending anything until I see finished minis (as opposed to even renders).
Red Comet wrote: Warboss I didn't know you were into Infinity now! I guess me telling you about the game made you look into it? ;P
Technically.. I'm not yet but I've been intrigued for a while (hence my questions for you). I'm waiting on the geckos to see if I'll take the plunge or not. I like the concept art but I've been somewhat surprised and/or disappointed with the conversion of concept art into minis with Infinity so I'm not spending anything until I see finished minis (as opposed to even renders).
Yeah, no kidding there - that makes you and... you, in that regard, for the most part!
Red Comet wrote: Warboss I didn't know you were into Infinity now! I guess me telling you about the game made you look into it? ;P
Technically.. I'm not yet but I've been intrigued for a while (hence my questions for you). I'm waiting on the geckos to see if I'll take the plunge or not. I like the concept art but I've been somewhat surprised and/or disappointed with the conversion of concept art into minis with Infinity so I'm not spending anything until I see finished minis (as opposed to even renders).
I'm curious which ones you're referring to now.
The big TAGs tend to attract my attention as a fan of shooty medium sized robot combat (see my sig). I'm likely in a small minority but the recent and popular releases of Scarface and the Anaconda are two examples. Both were modelled with close combat weapons in a decidely not shooting pose which detracts from my interest in them significantly. At least the anaconda has the gun in hand whereas scarface is trying to cut you instead of shooting with the pair of big honkin' guns on his back. It reminds me of the drive me closer! 40k leman russ commissar pic. Additionally, I said surprised above because I simply didn't notice the minime arms in the art for both TAGs (obviously my own fault there) and I really don't like them. In the end, they're just style preference. The concept art is incredibly impressive but the posing of the models has let me down in the past. YMMV. I'm fine though with the Iguana pose though and I do hope that at least one of two (assuming a two pack) poses of tye gecko looks like he can actually fire a weapon. I'd still likely have to fix the minime arms though if they presumably go through.
You know what, I liked the Iguana before, but I think I actually like its ejected pilot more. That is just a damn cool looking figure. Nomads need more heavy infantry if they're goign to look like that.
And I really want to see how this new Mormaer is going to turn out. If he's got a decent pose, I might actually be interested in getting some Ariadne figures beyond just the one or two heavy infantry guys.
Red Comet wrote: Warboss I didn't know you were into Infinity now! I guess me telling you about the game made you look into it? ;P
Technically.. I'm not yet but I've been intrigued for a while (hence my questions for you). I'm waiting on the geckos to see if I'll take the plunge or not. I like the concept art but I've been somewhat surprised and/or disappointed with the conversion of concept art into minis with Infinity so I'm not spending anything until I see finished minis (as opposed to even renders).
If you do decide to take the plunge I hope you enjoy the game! It can be a lot of fun! TAGs are pretty awesome even if they do eat up a lot of your points.
Oh yesh! Iggy is making her sisters, Szally and Lizzy, look seriously ugly now. I must have her! And now I've just realised that the Gecko is going to break the female pet name trend of the Reptile series. Even Anny works. I swear Corvus have designed the Gecko to make me want it really badly but irk me in as many ways as possible.
I've had similar thoughts to Kan on the future of the Gecko. I think something got lost in translation, not literally, at some point and I vaguely foresee them making some changes to the rules after the miniature is released. I've secretly wished they'd actually make them linkable to make up for the undesirable/unexpected size. That's a pretty wacky idea though and I expect them to do something more in line with Kan's suggestion. Plus if they did do it I'd probably wet myself in excitement.
Overall I think I'm obsessing over the Gecko a bit much so I'll just drop it now. Any future posters of 'hilarious' pet Geckos will be punished though.
I've had similar thoughts to Kan on the future of the Gecko. I think something got lost in translation, not literally, at some point and I vaguely foresee them making some changes to the rules after the miniature is released. I've secretly wished they'd actually make them linkable to make up for the undesirable/unexpected size.
CB tried linkable Gecko, but decided they are overpowered. They could of dropped the ejection system for the same reason, 4 units on the field that when dropped become HI units might of been seen as overpowered.
I've had similar thoughts to Kan on the future of the Gecko. I think something got lost in translation, not literally, at some point and I vaguely foresee them making some changes to the rules after the miniature is released. I've secretly wished they'd actually make them linkable to make up for the undesirable/unexpected size.
CB tried linkable Gecko, but decided they are overpowered. They could of dropped the ejection system for the same reason, 4 units on the field that when dropped become HI units might of been seen as overpowered.
To be fair, purportedly when they tried linkable Geckos they had a LT option.
I've had similar thoughts to Kan on the future of the Gecko. I think something got lost in translation, not literally, at some point and I vaguely foresee them making some changes to the rules after the miniature is released. I've secretly wished they'd actually make them linkable to make up for the undesirable/unexpected size.
CB tried linkable Gecko, but decided they are overpowered. They could of dropped the ejection system for the same reason, 4 units on the field that when dropped become HI units might of been seen as overpowered.
To be fair, purportedly when they tried linkable Geckos they had a LT option.
Is anyone opposed completely to the idea if they make them the least powerful TAGs but the only linkable TAGs? (assuming that hasn't been done before from the tone here)
Corvus Belli delivers an excellent model once again. Not big news at all.
The INFINITY range is incredible. This Iguana? is just september.
Some people is like... surprised by this miniature, I just don't know why...
I've been following every release from this company for so many years now... they are constantly releasing excellent models, month after month.
they are from Spain but their stuff is world class.
OK, so I've been slowly coming around to Infinity - following releases, researching rules, critiquing miniatures old and new... It's been about six months now and I've been on and off the fence with the game the entire time: I love most of the minis, the rules seem tight, the scope of the game is perfect at 10ish men per side... But I'm not an anime fan and that aesthetic is a turn-off, I've already got a handful of new games I'm lining up...
But holy ****, that mini just sealed the deal. I wasn't even thinking Nomads originally, but the Iguana, along with the Gecko and new Corregidor box are too freakin' awesome to turn down.
Gomez wrote: But I'm not an anime fan and that aesthetic is a turn-off, I've already got a handful of new games I'm lining up...
I'ts funny, I was like that as well. I went with Haqqislam because they seemed the least anime inspired, just low-ish tech soldiers with some neat tricks.
But the aesthetic really grows on you, and now I'm looking at basing a Bakunin force around the Reverend Moreasses, Daktari catgirl the the hilariously anime Moderator with lollipop.
Kanluwen wrote: In regards to the Iguana and how the pilot is situated, do people want me to post up a picture from the Infinity Artbook that shows it?
I would love to see that if you don't mind. My Artbook won't be here until my birthday next week.
Kanluwen wrote: In regards to the Iguana and how the pilot is situated, do people want me to post up a picture from the Infinity Artbook that shows it?
I would love to see that if you don't mind. My Artbook won't be here until my birthday next week.
There you go.
I cropped it in such a way that I included the Gecko as well.
Basically the pilot is "seated" and the protrusion that people have been discussing is in front of the pilot's lower torso.
plastictrees wrote: So...why don't the pilots arms match up with the ejected pilots arms? Is there some sort of transforming element to the ejection?
Bear in mind that the sketch there of the Iguana is just a mannequin, essentially, showing the placement. For whatever reason they did not actually armor the pilot in the mannequin but it shows a general idea of where the pilot is seated.
Kroothawk wrote: Another baby carrier? What is next? A tank with the driver tacked to the front armour?
The designs get weirder and weirder
The baby carrier designs go back a fair way, even to the Lizard and O-Yori. If you don't like it, that's cool, but it's hardly new. Fluffwise, all TAGs aside from Pan Oceania and Aleph models are piloted.
Honestly, I prefer it because they aren't constrained by trying to logically shape it so someone can fit inside. They can have a bit more fun with the design and pose. It's not like they're abominations like the Dreadknight.
Kroothawk wrote:The designs get weirder and weirder
The design is similar to slave-master armored suits, more typically found in various anime. Unless you're referring to some other detail I have missed.
-Loki- wrote:Fluffwise, all TAGs aside from Pan Oceania and Aleph models are piloted.
Adding CA to the list. Avatar is after all only a big kid that enjoys making friends and hugging them.
Kroothawk wrote: Another baby carrier? What is next? A tank with the driver tacked to the front armour?
The designs get weirder and weirder
The baby carrier designs go back a fair way, even to the Lizard and O-Yori. If you don't like it, that's cool, but it's hardly new. Fluffwise, all TAGs aside from Pan Oceania and Aleph models are piloted.
That is actually a hard one to say. We don't have all that much on the Concordat/Exrah units. It could be a biomechanical TAG similar to what we are going to see with the Gorgos.
The Gorgos itself is actually an interesting one. We're not sure whether it is a remote presence TAG or a piloted one--if piloted, it is the first one without slave arms.
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Absolutionis wrote: PanO, Aleph, and Combined do Remote Presence because they have the technology.
Mercs, Nomads, and Haqqi do piloted because they don't have the technology widely-available.
YuJing and Morats do piloted because they like putting actual people in heavy armor.
Nomads can do remote presence, but the implication is that they do not because of how vulnerable RP TAGs are compared to piloted.
Kroothawk likes to pop his head in every time a new TAG is released and try to be clever. It's best just to smile and nod and he'll go back to reposting news,
Henshini wrote: I'm fairly certain the gorgos is piloted, it follows the rules for symbiont armour.
Absolutely true.
But the question is more along the lines of "Is it actually piloted by a Tohaa--or is the symbiont armor piloting itself?"
Think of the Hunters from the "Halo" universe--a suit of armor containing a colony of organisms that use the armor to assume a humanoid form.
Kanluwen wrote: That is actually a hard one to say. We don't have all that much on the Concordat/Exrah units. It could be a biomechanical TAG similar to what we are going to see with the Gorgos.
The Gorgos itself is actually an interesting one. We're not sure whether it is a remote presence TAG or a piloted one--if piloted, it is the first one without slave arms.
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Nomads can do remote presence, but the implication is that they do not because of how vulnerable RP TAGs are compared to piloted.
Hey Kan, each time I read you, you keep me wondering about if you read the books or simply get high on whatever you smoke and then come up with your own fluff.
Nomads can't build remote presence TAGs, furthemore, neither they have the "know how" nor the funds to produce TAGs like PanO and YuJing, the Hyperpotences, do. One thing is being able to modify and pimp a TAG, and another completely different is being able to design and produce a TAG. So far in the Sphere only the Panoceanian companies master the remote TAG technology. YuJing have the know how to produce TAGs, but they haven't developed that field because they have focused most of their funds in the investigation field of servoarmor technology instead. Neither the Nomad nation nor Haqqislam are able to produce TAGs; that's why the buy the obsolete TAG series the PanOceanian defense companies supply the mercenary and weapons market with. If you think about it it's exactly like happens in current real life. The only nation with stealth bombers technology are you guys, the US, and of course you won't sell them to any other country. But your weapons and defense companies sell to other countries arounf the world, old glories, yet still highly efficient, such as F16 and F18 fighters or the Apache longbow attack chopper.
Anyway, regarding the Gorgos, as it is explained in Campaign Paradiso, it's just a bigger simbiont armor, therefore yes. it's piloted, or better said, worn by its user. The book makes clear it's piloted by a Tohaa.
And finally. once Carlos told me the Caskuda is a mix between biological and mechanical parts, which , according to him, is quite common in the Exrah technology. So the Caskuda is a living machine.
Kanluwen wrote: That is actually a hard one to say. We don't have all that much on the Concordat/Exrah units. It could be a biomechanical TAG similar to what we are going to see with the Gorgos.
The Gorgos itself is actually an interesting one. We're not sure whether it is a remote presence TAG or a piloted one--if piloted, it is the first one without slave arms.
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Nomads can do remote presence, but the implication is that they do not because of how vulnerable RP TAGs are compared to piloted.
Hey Kan, each time I read you, you keep me wondering about if you read the books or simply get high on whatever you smoke and then come up with your own fluff.
You do realize that there are a lot of holes in the books regarding the background, right?
When I use words like "implication", it means that it is something not flatout stated. The basics of remote presence are actually not that complex--and considering that we have things like the Zondbots, etc (which are remote presence on a smaller scale), my statement is not that farfetched.
Nomads can't build remote presence TAGs, furthemore, neither they have the "know how" nor the funds to produce TAGs like PanO and YuJing, the Hyperpotences, do. One thing is being able to modify and pimp a TAG, and another completely different is being able to design and produce a TAG. So far in the Sphere only the Panoceanian companies master the remote TAG technology. YuJing have the know how to produce TAGs, but they haven't developed that field because they have focused most of their funds in the investigation field of servoarmor technology instead. Neither the Nomad nation nor Haqqislam are able to produce TAGs; that's why the buy the obsolete TAG series the PanOceanian defense companies supply the mercenary and weapons market with. If you think about it it's exactly like happens in current real life. The only nation with stealth bombers technology are you guys, the US, and of course you won't sell them to any other country. But your weapons and defense companies sell to other countries arounf the world, old glories, yet still highly efficient, such as F16 and F18 fighters or the Apache longbow attack chopper.
And if you think about it, "exactly like happens in current real life" you have nations that do not want to invest in military R&D too heavily and instead purchase proven systems from other nations and develop those systems further. You even mention the whole "divergent technological resources" in your statement--YuJing could produce RP TAGs, but instead focus on heavy infantry.
It is not beyond belief that the piloted TAGs of the "Reptile" series are not as obsolete as players seem to believe, even discounting the upgrades that the Nomad Nation have been making to them. The Ramhorn series TAGs you might have a point on, but I think until Corvus Belli sits down and posts a "timeline of TAG development"--there is no real definitive answer and there is plenty of room for inferences.
By the way, I'm sure you are aware of the fact that Haqqislam has developed their own TAG. It's called the Maghariba.
Anyway, regarding the Gorgos, as it is explained in Campaign Paradiso, it's just a bigger simbiont armor, therefore yes. it's piloted, or better said, worn by its user. The book makes clear it's piloted by a Tohaa.
Yeah, and the book also says that the Gecko is a "superheavy infantry". Look at how that turned out with the release of the art book--where the Gecko is almost the same size as the Iguana.
The Gorgos can be a "bigger symbiont armor worn by a pilot" but as of right now that does not actually make any sense unless the Tohaa is genetically modified to be the size of the Gorgos. The scale of the Gorgos is right up there with a Jotum or Dragoes from the artwork we have, considering it has a Chaksa perched on its forearm.
And finally. once Carlos told me the Caskuda is a mix between biological and mechanical parts, which , according to him, is quite common in the Exrah technology. So the Caskuda is a living machine.
That's nice and all--but it's not in the books. So if you want to complain at me about the fact that I'm making guesses, don't come back at me with the whole "Carlos told me X" line.
For what it's worth I completely believe you on this, as the Combined Army have been depicted as a mishmash of biological and technological from the beginning.
Kanluwen wrote:
That's nice and all--but it's not in the books. So if you want to complain at me about the fact that I'm making guesses, don't come back at me with the whole "Carlos told me X" line.
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Ah come on mate.. you can't let him have that one? Saying one of the game's chief designers told you something isn't quite the same as pulling it from thin air..
Kanluwen wrote:
That's nice and all--but it's not in the books. So if you want to complain at me about the fact that I'm making guesses, don't come back at me with the whole "Carlos told me X" line.
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Ah come on mate.. you can't let him have that one? Saying one of the game's chief designers told you something isn't quite the same as pulling it from thin air..
But that's just it Pacific.
I can say whatever I want--that doesn't mean that I'm not pulling it from thin air, nor does it mean that someone who has seemingly "pulled something from thin air"(your words) did not actually take time to read and apply a measure of logic to what they said.
However you did leave off the other part where I said that I do believe that Carlos would have told him such, given that it matches exactly what the implications in the book lead you towards.
By the way, I'm sure you are aware of the fact that Haqqislam has developed their own TAG. It's called the Maghariba.
I'm afraid that's not the case.
Rulebook, 1st and 2nd edition, page 20.
"PanOceania exports TAGs to other nations, both the most modern and advanced, such as O12's Zeta units, as the most archaic ones, such as the Maghariba for Haqqislam"
Casey's Law wrote:I've had similar thoughts to Kan on the future of the Gecko. I think something got lost in translation, not literally, at some point and I vaguely foresee them making some changes to the rules after the miniature is released. I've secretly wished they'd actually make them linkable to make up for the undesirable/unexpected size.
CB tried linkable Gecko, but decided they are overpowered. They could of dropped the ejection system for the same reason, 4 units on the field that when dropped become HI units might of been seen as overpowered.
To be fair, purportedly when they tried linkable Geckos they had a LT option.
Is anyone opposed completely to the idea if they make them the least powerful TAGs but the only linkable TAGs? (assuming that hasn't been done before from the tone here)
Corvus Belli was.
I'm talking about making them less powerful than currently but linkable.
I did not know they had tried it out, very interesting! I'd really like them to look at that again but I'm not holding out much hope. Would anyone be interested if I put up a thread where we recreated the Gecko as a community edition? Just for fun obviously.
BobbaFett wrote:Corvus Belli delivers an excellent model once again. Not big news at all.
The INFINITY range is incredible. This Iguana? is just september.
Some people is like... surprised by this miniature, I just don't know why...
I've been following every release from this company for so many years now... they are constantly releasing excellent models, month after month.
they are from Spain but their stuff is world class.
Let's not get dragged down to the level of being an old boys club. The idea that we aren't allowed to enjoy the Iguana because Corvus bring out beautiful miniatures every month is completely ridiculous. Did I enjoy my breakfast today? No because I always enjoy breakfast! I remember breakfast from before you knew breakfast existed!
This sort of chat is as unwelcome here as the silly Kan baiting, and Kan biting come to mention it.
I'm not pinning this on you Bobba, I'm sure it was a mistake but we should be mindful not to talk like this.
cincydooley wrote: So the Iguana Squad is going to come with both an Iguana and a Gecko? Am I understanding that right?
No.
The Iguana boxed set comes with the Iguana and the model for the ejected pilot, who is a heavy infantry model with HMG.
OHhhhhhhhhhh.
So wait, with the design of the suit, does the torso portion of the pilot actually make up the chest plate of the TAG? Obviously, i see it in there right in the middle, but it hadn't occured to me that the pilot wouldn't be fully enclosed.
That's pretty much how it works, yeah.
Of course the pilot is wearing some of the heaviest armor in the Human Sphere so it's not like he's just strapped to the front as ablative armor.
Especially useful as a Crocman with Boarding Shotgun is in my 'on the table/to be painted' PanO Jotum list!
Good times!
Me too!
Not a bad mini this month. Will definitely be getting the Iguana, the Crocman is leagues better than the previous version (the cracking paint job does it no harm either!)
You could have absolutely no idea about the background, take one look at that and say 'future Maori', so I think mission accomplished on that score.
Really like the Mormaer as well, very subtle job of making a heavily armoured unit look more archaic, and fit in with the Ariadna aesthetic.
And that HI in the Iguana.. wow, will make want my own unit to get blown up in the game just so that guy can have a showing.
Kanluwen wrote: That's pretty much how it works, yeah.
Of course the pilot is wearing some of the heaviest armor in the Human Sphere so it's not like he's just strapped to the front as ablative armor.
The penis on the Iguana really ruins the model for me. Why the eff did they put that on there?? Seriously. Also it is a letdown that it has a pointing pose and the legs look like it is wearing high heels. The trooper/pilot looks awesome though.
The Croc man looks great. I'll probably get that one sooner or later.
The head of the Aleph mini is absolute garbage.
The Mormaer is cool, but it appears he is not looking in the same direction the gun is pointing even though he has a shooting pose. That is a bit odd.
TBD wrote: The penis on the Iguana really ruins the model for me. Why the eff did they put that on there?? Seriously. Also it is a letdown that it has a pointing pose and the legs look like it is wearing high heels. The trooper/pilot looks awesome though.
The Croc man looks great. I'll probably get that one sooner or later.
The head of the Aleph mini is absolute garbage.
The Mormaer is cool, but it appears he is not looking in the same direction the gun is pointing even though he has a shooting pose. That is a bit odd.
All of this just my opinion of course.
Soory, but if your penis looks like that you need to see a doctor... Stat
Pacific wrote: I'm going to buy the Iguana, paint and make the close-up of the TAG's 'pilot leg area' my avatar, just for TBD
Btw what I meant is that the HMG the pilot has, it is probably actually intended to be stored inside that particular piece of the TAG... (just to be clear, lol)
Btw what I meant is that the HMG the pilot has, it is probably actually intended to be stored inside that particular piece of the TAG... (just to be clear, lol)
The HMG is the core of the TAG's Multi HMG, it's a detachable gun .
I think that this Iguana is so awesome that they have painted 2 studio versions.
Because this TAG can be also used as a Qapu Khalqi TAg, and... I swear to God... this might look even better painted with Haqqislam colors.
I might do some photohoping to see how might it look like.
The Iguana must have some sort of transforming ejection mode, because the HI pretty clearly has significantly more armour on his arms than the pilot in the new pics.
This isn't a complaint by the way, I'm just curious as to whether or not this is something they've planned out.
BobbaFett wrote: I think that this Iguana is so awesome that they have painted 2 studio versions.
Because this TAG can be also used as a Qapu Khalqi TAg, and... I swear to God... this might look even better painted with Haqqislam colors.
I might do some photohoping to see how might it look like.
Not sure if it would look right painted Haqq colours. Mercs don't adopt the military colours of the army they're working for. Though mine definitely will not be standard colours (because I'm so so so sick of painting red). I'm already thinking up a colour scheme for all of the Corregidor stuff I grab for my QK.
The Mormaer turned out looking really good. Well, I guess this means I have to get him. I kind of hope that the loincloth is separate, that way I can just make him a proper Panzer Cop. Brown uniform, black/dark grey armor, and some Polizei markings on his arm shield and he'll look great.
Alke looks cool too. Even with her crazy hair, I really like the look of the figure. I've just got to figure out some kind of alternate scheme for her so she doesn't turn out looking as horrible as my Thorakitai did.
Folks, I thing the Iguana's "wang" is actually the ejection system. Like the bit that the cheesecake Maghriba pilot is posing over. It might also be where some of the extra armor plates that the ejected pilot is wearing come from- although I can't find an exact match for the bits on his arms.
And the tail is of course even -more- ridiculous, but so cool that one just can't object.
Can't wait to see this thing in action. That b_stard is going to be really hard to kill. And it has a Repeater, so if it gets close to another TAG, allied hackers can hack away (with no AROs). Sure they only get one chance each, but with an Interventor and an EVO drone that's not bad odds to Immobilize.
The Mormaer is cool because it features actual cloth on an HI. Given how exposed those cloth-only bits behind are, that Teseum must be -really- tough to justify their ARM value!
If the wang is an ejection system its definitely a blatant rip off of Zone of the Enders since when the mecha explode the wang shoots off as an ejection system.
Could well be! A lot of the design is heavily influenced by Manga & Anime.
BobbaFett wrote: I think that this Iguana is so awesome that they have painted 2 studio versions.
Because this TAG can be also used as a Qapu Khalqi TAg, and... I swear to God... this might look even better painted with Haqqislam colors.
I might do some photohoping to see how might it look like.
Please do! Will be using this for my QP 'Black Cats' squadron (as I have named them), going to be in a kind of modern military style camo. Not completely sure it will work..
To me it's just aesthetic groin armour. I think we are looking at it too closely. I'm sure it pops off when the pilot gets out but I don't think it's anything special. The arms are clearly different to my eyes but it's not a stretch of the imagination to assume the extra plates are attached when the pilot is getting out, they'll be concealed inside somewhere. I also think the piloting version is wearing special armoured gloves for use in controlling the TAG, I assume these would be discarded but I imagine it's necessary for operating a TAG. I also think it's quite clear that it takes a little while, in RL, to disengage. I'm sure the various bits are automated to seperate but the pilot surely has to go pick up the weapon and attach the ammo belt, for example. Just my opinion but it seems obvious to me that way.
Oh and no need to Photoshop the Iguana, you could use the Dakka Army Painter instead and then everyone can use the template to put their own colours on.
Hmm.. tough to say who I would put my money on for being correct at this point, would say it's 50/50!
Guys - does anyone (in the EU) have experience of buying from CB direct? Want to get the Iguana as close to release as possible, as there is an event I want to use it in during November, am I likely to get it much faster if I buy from the official website does anyone know?
From the official forums, user "Magno" got a shot of some upcoming models. Apparently there is very little light in the box:
From left to right: The Morat SpecOps from the PanO v. Morat "Dire Foes" set(which includes "Fusilier Angus" as well), Trasimedes from the Nomad v. ALEPH "Dire Foes" set, and lastly the Gao-Tarsos with HMG.
I'm not a fan of the one legged poses. They seem like they'd be more likely to break or get bent. Otherwise, I like the looks of that blurry blob. Is the Aleph guy wielding a melee weapon? Obviously hard to tell, but it looks to me almost like he's holding a pistol or doing a Solid Snake style CQC pose.
DAAAMN I like Trasimedes! Now sell him already CB!!!
The Gao Tarsos is one of my favorite Tohaa sculpts to date. If I played Tohaa I might get rid of the skirt, but that's just me.
Barzam wrote: I'm not a fan of the one legged poses. They seem like they'd be more likely to break or get bent. Otherwise, I like the looks of that blurry blob. Is the Aleph guy wielding a melee weapon? Obviously hard to tell, but it looks to me almost like he's holding a pistol or doing a Solid Snake style CQC pose.
The one legged poses actually lend themselves fairly well to minor conversions or additions.
For my own Hellcats I'm using Secret Weapon 'Blasted Wetlands' bases and they go great with the Hellcats when you take the time to pose them as though they're adjusting their landing for debris on the field.
Loving the Gao Tarsos. He's dynamic, bulky, and looks like he's about to lay into someone with his HMG.
Cinematicy!
More clear and exciting.
I'm iffy on Trasimedes. I like the model. I like the colors(they're still ALEPH colors but with an emphasis on the 'dark' colors instead of the clean white).
I'm not too impressed by the SMG though. For what is described as a compact weapon, that thing is huge.
The Aleph model as a whole is odd. Aside from the trademark Steel Phalanx "I am a character" melee weapon, there isn't anything that screams Aleph.
The SMG is enormous and boxy unlike many Aleph weapons. It's even thicker than the rocket launchers. Speaking of which, I still think he should have had a rocket launcher. It's not like an SMG fits with any Myrmidon profiles anyways; may as well go all the way and give him what he flavorfully deserves.
His pants scream Yu Jing poofy Japanese Sectorial pants.
Hey look, I was right, he is doing a Solid Snake style CQC pose. I thought it looked like he had a firearm and a blade. I don't really care for the model though. His armor just doesn't look as neat as the usual fare for Aleph. He does look very Yu-Jing. Maybe he's an adviser for them?
Absolutionis wrote: The Aleph model as a whole is odd. Aside from the trademark Steel Phalanx "I am a character" melee weapon, there isn't anything that screams Aleph.
No offense, but that's nonsense. He is composed of standard Aleph elements. The arms are plain Thorakites with a slight variation on his right wrist. Pants are basically Thorakitai pants with a less wrinkly more flowing outside material, the inlay is the same. Backpack is also 1:1 Thorakitai. Most other elements are also from the Aleph designs, but slightly simplified and thus more flowing and elegant. A different sculptor I guess.
The SMG is enormous and boxy unlike many Aleph weapons. It's even thicker than the rocket launchers.
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What are you looking at? No way that is thicker than a rocket launcher. I admit it looks quite high, but I guess that's because it's a stubnosed combirifle with the magazine in the middle.
Speaking of which, I still think he should have had a rocket launcher. It's not like an SMG fits with any Myrmidon profiles anyways; may as well go all the way and give him what he flavorfully deserves.
It's a crossover. They are giving tribute to the creative community by calling him Thrasymedes, but he is not a Myrmidon at all. (Plus we already have a Myrmidon rocketeer) He's a Chandra, that is based on a Thorakites, who have SMGs in some versions. Being a Chandra his design should be a medley of elements from the whole faction, just like the other chandra has.
His pants scream Yu Jing poofy Japanese Sectorial pants.
A little bit yes, but all Thorakitai have voluminous pants, it's just that his pose emphasizes on it and that the sculptor didn't go all wrinkly this time.
Yeah I'm... I'm not understanding the complaints about Trasimedes. While he doesn't look exactly like a standard Aleph Thoratikai, that's because he's a Spec Ops. They've all been based on a unit type but had changes made to make them unique. While giving him a missile launcher would have been fun, Spec Ops thus far have avoided big optional weapons like that, opting for more basic equipped loadouts with special weapons on weapon sprues. I think expecting him to be standard equipped with a missile launcher based on previous Spec Ops, regardless of the source material, was a bit misguided.
He looks pretty awesome, and gives me hope for Yasbir.
I think my problem is the head more than anything. I don't like the long hair and he seems like he ought to be looking to his right, but he isn't. If he has a helmet, I might like him more. Overall though, he just feels kind of plain.
Barzam wrote: If he has a helmet, I might like him more.
He'll probably come with a Thoratikai style helmet as an alternate head, since Spec Ops have so far all had alternate helmeted heads.
Corax did not come with an alternate head.
I get what Absolutionis is saying. The rest of the factions, their SpecOps look like a nice balance of the units in at least one Sectorial.
You have the Vortex, who would be right at home in a Corregidor or Bakunin force. The Indigo who would be at home in a ASA or NCA force, Husam in a QK force, etc. The only real exception at the moment are the Morat and Shasvastii SpecOps, who incorporate different elements of different units from within their Sectorials. The Corax has the Noctifier's segmented cloak and the Cadmus styled armor plating. The Treitak has a Sogarat's chest armor with Daturazi pants and axe.
But then you have the Chandra and now Trasimedes. The elements that should be tying them to the Thorakitai aren't there or are so heavily minimized that they might as well not be there. The visual balancing is off-kilter.
Abso is right about the SMG(what is described as a 'compact weapon' supposed to bridge the gap between assault pistols and combi rifles) being bulkier than a rocket launcher though. Compare it to the Thorakitai with Light Rocket Launcher or even Phoenix and the Agema Marksman. That SMG is huge comparatively.
Chandra seems to actually be wearing the uniform of the Aleph biker unit. I can kind of see the Thorakitai body armor in that side view, but it's completely obscured in the head on shot.
Barzam wrote: Chandra seems to actually be wearing the uniform of the Aleph biker unit. I can kind of see the Thorakitai body armor in that side view, but it's completely obscured in the head on shot.
There is no biker unit. Penthesilea is a one-off character.
Not trying to jump on you or pull a "Nope, you're wrong!". Just pointing out that CB made it explicit early on that Penthesilea is not a unit leader or anything. Right now she is a one-off, an oddity.
For those of us who play Yu Jing and who have issues with the Togan mini, Trasimedes will make great conversion fodder. Just chop a tabi toe in the pants, mod the gun, and sculpt on a facemask- done!
The Gao-Tarsos looks great. I'd actually love to see someone convert him with even a bit more height, touching down on something. Another hit for the Tohaa- the minis for that force are really shaping up nicely.
Savnock wrote: For those of us who play Yu Jing and who have issues with the Togan mini, Trasimedes will make great conversion fodder. Just chop a tabi toe in the pants, mod the gun, and sculpt on a facemask- done!
Or, you know, wait for the new Yu Jing Spec Ops from Dire Foes.
Barzam wrote: Chandra seems to actually be wearing the uniform of the Aleph biker unit. I can kind of see the Thorakitai body armor in that side view, but it's completely obscured in the head on shot.
There is no biker unit. Penthesilea is a one-off character.
Not trying to jump on you or pull a "Nope, you're wrong!". Just pointing out that CB made it explicit early on that Penthesilea is not a unit leader or anything. Right now she is a one-off, an oddity.
Eh, she's still wearing the same uniform. And you knew who I meant. I just couldn't remember her name.
But then you have the Chandra and now Trasimedes. The elements that should be tying them to the Thorakitai aren't there or are so heavily minimized that they might as well not be there. The visual balancing is off-kilter.
Abso is right about the SMG(what is described as a 'compact weapon' supposed to bridge the gap between assault pistols and combi rifles) being bulkier than a rocket launcher though. Compare it to the Thorakitai with Light Rocket Launcher or even Phoenix and the Agema Marksman. That SMG is huge comparatively.
See above. I'm very curious to see comparison shots showing how this SMG that actually is a combi rifle with a shortened body is supposed to be bigger than the various launchers. Again I'm not aiming to offend, but as a matter of fact it is utter nonsense.
The Chandra does what it is supposed to do, combine various elements from different models of the faction. Here, just for anybody who can't help but stay ignorant:
But then you have the Chandra and now Trasimedes. The elements that should be tying them to the Thorakitai aren't there or are so heavily minimized that they might as well not be there. The visual balancing is off-kilter.
Abso is right about the SMG(what is described as a 'compact weapon' supposed to bridge the gap between assault pistols and combi rifles) being bulkier than a rocket launcher though. Compare it to the Thorakitai with Light Rocket Launcher or even Phoenix and the Agema Marksman. That SMG is huge comparatively.
See above. I'm very curious to see comparison shots showing how this SMG that actually is a combi rifle with a shortened body is supposed to be bigger than the various launchers. Again I'm not aiming to offend, but as a matter of fact it is utter nonsense.
Considering how the SMG is bigger than a combi rifle(going off of visual perception for the time being), that's a bit questionable to start with.
"Bulkier" is not the same thing as "bigger", mind you. The SMG isn't as long as a LRL, but when you compare the two the SMG seems to have a lot more heft to it. It shares a lot of characteristics with some of the larger Chain Rifles.
I plan on getting Lupe and Trasimedes so I'll be sure to do some kind of comparison shot when I get them in hand. If you want to continue this discussion via PM or something, I'll be glad to but I think we need to stay a bit more on point. I know Alpharius appreciates it.
Nah, it's all good. Looking at the picture I consider the matter closed. Let's agree to disagree. I'm either not getting the point you're trying to make, or you just don't see what I see. As I see it apart from height the SMG is smaller than the other guns in every dimesion and that's not what I'd consider "bulkier".
Got to agree with Baiyuan. The 'SMG' is taller than a combi rifle, but it's shorter and thinner. It's not bulkier at all, it just looks it from one angle (the angle of the shot lonked last page). It's not bigger than a combi rifle in total mass, nor is it bigger than, as claimed, a missile launcher by any stretch.
I get that sometimes you guys don't like a model, which is fine, but the extent you guys bitch at times baffles me.
Well.. I suppose up to this point it is an 'observation', and discussion about it - personally it doesn't bother me in the slightest, and think it's great that this is the biggest (or smallest! ) thing to find a negative regarding.
He hasn't got his feet round the wrong way, for instance
But doesn't the base look like the paste he uses on CA bases just unpainted?
That might also explain the phalloform white shape on the base, maybe one of those plant things the CA bases got.
So my guess is female Treitak.
With armor like that? I doubt it. The guy on the left might be a Haqqislam unit since it looks like he may have that odd bit of cloth over his abdomen. That one on the right though, he looks to me more like he has the segmented body armor the Yu Jing Celestial Guards wear. It looks like he's probably carrying a rocket launcher, too.
Is this the latest Tohaa model previewed/released? I see it available from the Warstore and Miniature Market, but I don't see anything newer than it for Tohaa on the Warstore's preorder page.
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Just bought some Tohaa with the proceeds of some sales... so just wondering if there's anything coming soon that I missed . Especially since someone had mentioned they generally release in the US in the middle of the month, and I thought the above was September's release. Clarify if I'm wrong, etc!
I think those are indeed September releases, they are already available in Spain (I say Spain particularly because I know overseas it usually takes a few extra weeks). The preview for October is the HMG Gao Tarsos IIRC. But well, October wave means November on sale and maybe even December for you guys? :S
RiTides wrote: Wow, thank you ErasoketaMade that's exactly what I was looking for! Can't wait, will definitely pick that up when it hits.
Is there an official outlet for the previews? I usually just troll this thread, but they tend to get buried here pretty quickly.
Corvus Belli parcels out their previews for the most part. MiniWargaming, Infinity O-12, and Beasts of War get one thing each to preview and then the remainder are 'surprises'.
Your best bet is to follow Angel Giraldez on Facebook, as once a preview hits anywhere he posts the detailed shots of the finished product.
Also, the front page of the official website shows the latest miniatures to have been officially previewed. Usually Beasts of War or somewhere similar will get pics a short while before hand, Angel Giraldez's LifeInvader page, or this very thread usually a few moments afterwards
Iguana still not for sale at the time of writing..
Pacific wrote: Also, the front page of the official website shows the latest miniatures to have been officially previewed. Usually Beasts of War or somewhere similar will get pics a short while before hand, Angel Giraldez's LifeInvader page, or this very thread usually a few moments afterwards
Iguana still not for sale at the time of writing..
They do not update the official website until after Angel has posted his photos and their Facebook page has done the same. Usually there is two days(sometimes four if the photos go onto FB on Friday) between Facebook and Angel posting before the site gets updated.
It can take about a month from the time of posting to the models actually being general release.
Infinity the Game wrote:
That's a display of some stuff that Angel painted up and will be on display at an upcoming event.
Looks like something Yu Jing(base is textured grey sand, assuming that it is finished being painted) that is blocked out...and it's definitely a strange shape/size.
Superheavy Infantry for Yu Jing maybe? It seems to be bigger than a normal figure, but too small to be a full sized TAG. Maybe something like the Gecko? And is it just me, or does the Anaconda look kind of small?
Also, what is that in the background? Is that a space marine or something from Infinity?
Pacific wrote: Also, the front page of the official website shows the latest miniatures to have been officially previewed. Usually Beasts of War or somewhere similar will get pics a short while before hand, Angel Giraldez's LifeInvader page, or this very thread usually a few moments afterwards
I don't need it the day it hits, I just want to know somewhere to check and see "What's been previewed recently?"
So... do you mean this page, as I don't see any previews?
-Loki- wrote: Isn't Angel known for blobbing out random bits of nothing just because he knows how people look for clues?
Kind of. Generally what he does is make huge extraneous blobs to mess up the profile of whatever he has blobbed out.
He also covers up concept art that has not been released or things he is doing for another company/client.
The Space Marine in the background is the "clenched fist, bolter raised" model which was (if I remember correctly) a webstore exclusive/bonus.
Angel posted a step by step of it not long ago with the following statement:
I am painting this space marine in my free time for a friend
I will sell it and so I finance his new short film
I think that he will be a great director in the future
Ah that's pretty cool, an easy proxy for Uxia Mcneill if you're that way inclined. I thought that they'd be released in packs of two however, these dire foes? Does this mean I've been slow and failed to notice an earlier reveal or something?
Scrub wrote: Ah that's pretty cool, an easy proxy for Uxia Mcneill if you're that way inclined. I thought that they'd be released in packs of two however, these dire foes? Does this mean I've been slow and failed to notice an earlier reveal or something?
I think they are just making the previews individually. If you ask me, my guess is that the censored miniature in the TAG collection pic of the previous page is the female Japanese Spec-Ops (Yuriko Oda? Something like that) wich will be on sale together with this lass. And a civilian, I guess.
That Isobel McGregor miniature is absolutely stunning. The face in particular, they've gone beyond just making a face look 'good' or realistic, and have actually nailed a kind of hard Celtic-looking woman .. the style of her hair, clothing, man you can tell a lot of effort has gone into it.
Meant to be 20% off, it looks like not all of it is yet though so perhaps they are still in the process of putting stock on the system. They have the Wulver regiment for £17.99, and the Corregidor starter set for £21.60, which is very reasonable and I think the lowest price I have seen.
Important to note here this shop has had some bad rep about undelivered orders/stock problems - now I've spent a lot of time reading around forums, I've visited the shop myself, and from my experience the problems have been forGW products only, in the majority of cases. I've mail ordered from them at least half a dozen times, a mix of products, and have never had to wait for more than a few days. That being said, I'll probably use the opportunity to order some Infinity stuff soon and report back my findings for the purposes of the Infinity community.
Yeah, I thought the Anaconda was already out. There's certainly a lot of pictures of people's samples on Google.
I'm not too keen on Isobel. Between the overall design and the pose, she's not doing much for me. I think she looks more like she ought to be at a punk concert rather than in the middle of a battlefield. Hopefully the JSA figure that comes with her will be more to my liking. I'm hoping these figures are going to come with alternate heads like the previous spec ops did, too.
About Total Wargamer, they do have -20% off everything, but you have to navigate through the main menu - if you just jump to a particular faction, the reduction price isn't shown (so guessing that is still WIP at the moment).
Barzam wrote: Yeah, I thought the Anaconda was already out. There's certainly a lot of pictures of people's samples on Google.
I'm not too keen on Isobel. Between the overall design and the pose, she's not doing much for me. I think she looks more like she ought to be at a punk concert rather than in the middle of a battlefield. Hopefully the JSA figure that comes with her will be more to my liking. I'm hoping these figures are going to come with alternate heads like the previous spec ops did, too.
Wow.. just wow... this proves the wonder of subjectivity, that's for sure!
Barzam wrote: Yeah, I thought the Anaconda was already out. There's certainly a lot of pictures of people's samples on Google.
I'm not too keen on Isobel. Between the overall design and the pose, she's not doing much for me. I think she looks more like she ought to be at a punk concert rather than in the middle of a battlefield. Hopefully the JSA figure that comes with her will be more to my liking. I'm hoping these figures are going to come with alternate heads like the previous spec ops did, too.
Kind of the same for me, but I think the using of the new Cherry model as a basic copy and just changing the head, arms, and adding the bag and defensive hacking bit is a little disappointing to me. I would prefer a more unique model.
Still on the fence of buying her, she could be a good proxy for just about any of our SK as the rifle loadout makes her flexible for proxing.
Pacific wrote: About Total Wargamer, they do have -20% off everything, but you have to navigate through the main menu - if you just jump to a particular faction, the reduction price isn't shown (so guessing that is still WIP at the moment).
Barzam wrote: Yeah, I thought the Anaconda was already out. There's certainly a lot of pictures of people's samples on Google.
I'm not too keen on Isobel. Between the overall design and the pose, she's not doing much for me. I think she looks more like she ought to be at a punk concert rather than in the middle of a battlefield. Hopefully the JSA figure that comes with her will be more to my liking. I'm hoping these figures are going to come with alternate heads like the previous spec ops did, too.
Wow.. just wow... this proves the wonder of subjectivity, that's for sure!
I'm not saying she's a bad figure. She is well sculpted and Angel did do a great job painting her, but I have a few issues with her. For starters, I'll admit she was my least favorite of the bunch. All the other factions' Dire Foes spec ops designs tie them to their factions' previous spec ops figures. She's one of the only ones that doesn't. In fact, she doesn't look like an Ariadna figure at all. If you painted her paints any other color, you wouldn't be able to tell she's supposed to be Ariadna. She'd fit in way better with the Mercs. I almost suspect this figure was meant to be a Merc originally. Her appearance is a little too civillian, too. Every other Ariadna model more or less looks like they could belong to a real world military or paramilitary group. Isobel on the other hand, is dressed like a punk rocker. Get rid of the guns and the holster and she'd be a perfect civvie. Hell, I went to school with kids that dressed exactly like her. I do think that this can be fixed with a different paintjob though.
My other problem with her is the pose. She has the exact same pose as Uxia v.2. I like the design of Uxia v.2, but she's kind of ruined by that overly dynamic pose. This is a problem I have with some of Ariadna's other figures, like the Minuteman and the figures with the foxholes. They seem less versatile to me with their posing. I think if they'd posed Isobel more like her initial promo art (the one with her standing opposite Yuriko) I would have liked this figure a lot more.
So, tl;dr: I don't think she fits her faction aesthetic, she should've been with the Mercs and I would've preferred she had the pose in her promo art.
I'd be very surprised to see alternate heads happening on the dire foes. These are special characters that you can use as generic specops, but they aren't.
Well, cheers for writing the detailed explanation Barzam!
But.. yes I guess this really is just matter of opinion. I will say that of course there will be some cross-over with other factions styles - especially considering that Ariadna and some of the Mercs are so similar in terms of what they are (the more low-tech end, jacket/trousers) so perhaps its correct that they look similar? I know what you mean about miniatures that incorporate terrain, and they certainly seem to have a love/hate kind of thing going on. Think there are a few great examples: The Nomad moderator sniper, the Ariadna HMG, the Shasvasti cloaked guy, and of course bad examples (the Wulver vaulting the wall). Personally, I'm glad CB keep trying to do something new and dynamic- you can see the sculptor approaches each miniature as an individual piece, rather than just 'standing with gun in monopose' as you get in most ranges, and so I think the occassional miss is tolerable because of that.
Barzam wrote: I'm not saying she's a bad figure. She is well sculpted and Angel did do a great job painting her, but I have a few issues with her. For starters, I'll admit she was my least favorite of the bunch. All the other factions' Dire Foes spec ops designs tie them to their factions' previous spec ops figures. She's one of the only ones that doesn't. In fact, she doesn't look like an Ariadna figure at all.
Sooo... I'm guessing you missed the pages of bitching that Trasimedes doesn't fit the Aleph aesthetic? Some think he looks more Yu Jing than Aleph. That's 2 for 2 of revealed Dire Foes spec ops that don't match their factions aesthetic.
Personally, I don't see the issue. They're spec ops, individuals given huge amounts of freedom in personal attire, because they are going on special operations that would probably require them to not look like random grunt #142. Isobel looks more like a punk civilian? I'd say that's mission accomplished if she's sneaking into a populated area.
I really wish I liked the Ariadna stuff enough to start them, because I really dig Isobel. I'm hoping Yasbir has a similar super dynamic pose to Trasimedes and Isobel, because I have to say, they're 2 for 2 releasing spec ops models I adore. I wish the earlier models were like this. I like Husam okay... but he's not terribly exciting.
Personally, I don't see the issue. They're spec ops, individuals given huge amounts of freedom in personal attire, because they are going on special operations that would probably require them to not look like random grunt #142. Isobel looks more like a punk civilian? I'd say that's mission accomplished if she's sneaking into a populated area.
Except the Spec Ops are "random grunts" from the start.
I mean, I get what you're saying but when you compare Isobel to the Intel you notice a pretty hefty difference in terms of the model.
Except the Spec Ops are "random grunts" from the start.
I mean, I get what you're saying but when you compare Isobel to the Intel you notice a pretty hefty difference in terms of the model.
Their profile is grunt, but that doesn't change anything about their fluff. They are not grunts that rise to honor, but special operatives, as the name implies.
I'd argue that Trasimedes fits his faction aesthetic more than Isobel. At least he has elements of other Aleph units in his design. And, if he had a helmet on, he could easily pass as a Thorakitai officer. Maybe Isobel will grow on me in the future though. I do like Yuriko and will likely wind up getting her, so I'll have to figure out what to do with Isobel. I guess she'll be joining the ranks of my Mercs.
Yuriko looks way more in line with her faction. She has clear ties to the original Gui Feng (body armor, back fins) and even looks quite a bit like the Haramaki. I'm not so sure what her pose is, but at least it isn't a derpnamic one.
I'm gonna have to either cut that combi off of Yuriko or devise a decent sling for it. One-handed rifle wields just aren't a fave of mine, unless it's pointing straight up (and even then).
Except the Spec Ops are "random grunts" from the start.
I mean, I get what you're saying but when you compare Isobel to the Intel you notice a pretty hefty difference in terms of the model.
Their profile is grunt, but that doesn't change anything about their fluff. They are not grunts that rise to honor, but special operatives, as the name implies.
I would also have to add that Dire foes are by no means a starting SpecOps, but fully developed individuals.
What the heck is CB doing? How could they? Why would they? I mean... seriously... they'll make me buy every single DF box. That is going to be one expensive month's releases.
They might make nice christmas presents though...
Yeah, there's going to be some I buy just to have. I'll probably split the Nomad/Aleph Dire Foes box with my Aleph buddy for the civilian and space Daenerys, and probably end up keeping and painting whoever is paired with Yasbir just for fun.
Really though, I mostly want the Civilians from the sets.
I think that not all the boxes, but some of them, plus the HMG Gao Tarsos and likely, the general release of the Anaconda TAG (the one they sold at GenCon in a limited pre-release).
The SpecOps have all so far retained the same basing patterns as their faction proper and that style of base--while similar to the Nomad, older PanOceanian, and ALEPH bases--is not one that has been used before.
Yeah, that must be it! The pose is also very contained, no limbs with weapons attached flying out towards the viewer. Seems feminine to me, so my guess is naval officer.
...except for Gogo Marlene, the only "civilian" faction model.
I had not even remembered her to tell the truth.
I try to block that model from my memory.
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Baiyuan wrote: Yeah, that must be it! The pose is also very contained, no limbs with weapons attached flying out towards the viewer. Seems feminine to me, so my guess is naval officer.
All of the VIPs at the moment--barring Angus the Derpy Fusilier--were concepted as females. Hopefully they have changed their mind and done at least one more male VIP, but I would not hold my breath on that.
I love how the paint buildup of the first pallette has molded it to the tile. Reminds me of when I dug out the red pot on my pallette and found half a pot of dried vallejo bloody red in there.
Knight wrote: There are some blurs, do they tell something or are just a jest thrown to the fans? I hope this means we will get more updates sometime soon.
Dammit I suck at spotting those. I was like 'ooh pretty colours'. Thanks for pointing them out
Looks Nomad-y, and very well might be the Securitate redesign.
Although something else occurred to me. There are rumors that the Black Hand Sectorial will feature assassins--and it's possible that is what we're seeing here.
Kanluwen wrote: If you take a look at the wrist guards, they're classic Nomad.
Yes, they look quite more modern than regular Ariadna stuff, but the fluff of the Scots Guards said that they usually worked in the whole Human Sphere and have some modern lesser stuff. So I thought it might fit. Because it looks hi-tech but it's not an actual gaming element. But it's just guessing...
All I know is that the glasses/hats combo is awesome. It adds a security-force looks that has a professionalism that stands out from the rest of the Nomads.
The Gao Tarsos looks pretty cool. I'm guessing from the faction that he isn't human. Is all the gear on his back some sort of a jetpack? As for the character packs, am I the only one that was expecting them to be sculpted in the pose the character art showed off during Gencon?
warboss wrote: The Gao Tarsos looks pretty cool. I'm guessing from the faction that he isn't human. Is all the gear on his back some sort of a jetpack?
The Gao Tarsos is the Tohaa drop troop unit.
As for the character packs, am I the only one that was expecting them to be sculpted in the pose the character art showed off during Gencon?
Generally the concept art poses are simple and not what you will see for the final pose.
cincydooley wrote:How do these dire foe boxes work exactly?
Basically they are a self-contained scenario, played out using the models in the box.
I'm kind of underwhelmed by the VIP models in the boxes. When Corvus Belli announced these sets, it was in response to requests for civilian models to use as objectives and things of that nature.
Angus is a nice one--but not really a civilian, and that entire box is based upon a whole meme/joke about a horny Fusilier.
The Comm-Tech is nice but the coquettish pose is kind of unnecessary IMO.
The Fleet Officer is nice as well but again with the silly poses.
When they first showed the concept art with all females for the VIPs, I was okay with it because they generally do a character study for both genders and pick whichever one looks best. I hope that the next two boxes will at least have another male VIP for some variety because as it stands, there is no reason to buy the boxes beyond the SpecOps models and the scenarios.
Personally I'm kind of irked that the boxes do not include a printed version of the scenarios. They can include artwork prints, but not a quick-start scenario printout with stats ala the little 'posters' that Privateer Press includes with their starter boxes?
warboss wrote: The Gao Tarsos looks pretty cool. I'm guessing from the faction that he isn't human. Is all the gear on his back some sort of a jetpack?
Personally I'm kind of irked that the boxes do not include a printed version of the scenarios. They can include artwork prints, but not a quick-start scenario printout with stats ala the little 'posters' that Privateer Press includes with their starter boxes?
Probably because there are more languages than english in the world, mate.
Spanish, italian, French, German... keep including languages and the wolume of printed pages will increase. Separate stock in different blocks for languages and you'll have a logistic nightmare.
Been there, done that.
I find Fusilier Angus a bit underwelming, I loved the troll face he had in the concept art. But I guess those huge glasses are a hint. I like a lot this kits. 4 boxed kits in a month? Is that a new record?
warboss wrote: As for the character packs, am I the only one that was expecting them to be sculpted in the pose the character art showed off during Gencon?
Generally the concept art poses are simple and not what you will see for the final pose.
I think Warboss was talking about this kind of art:
warboss wrote: The Gao Tarsos looks pretty cool. I'm guessing from the faction that he isn't human. Is all the gear on his back some sort of a jetpack?
Personally I'm kind of irked that the boxes do not include a printed version of the scenarios. They can include artwork prints, but not a quick-start scenario printout with stats ala the little 'posters' that Privateer Press includes with their starter boxes?
Probably because there are more languages than english in the world, mate.
Spanish, italian, French, German... keep including languages and the volume of printed pages will increase. Separate stock in different blocks for languages and you'll have a logistic nightmare.
Been there, done that.
And...?
If they're creating the PDFs in different languages, then there is no reason they cannot take an extra step and actually include a printout with the boxes.
I do not know if they include a different "Holocard" with blisters or different box labels for different languages as all of mine have been English, even the ones that I ordered from Corvus Belli directly in Spain.
I know it's a bit demanding, but I really cannot fathom why they can justify including art prints with the box but not a physical copy of the rules.
Kan continues to hate The Sexy, but The Sexy continues to sell?
I don't really care about "the sexy". Plus I still maintain that you cannot put forward the idea that the models are selling for Infinity because of "the sexy". I still have yet to see the old cat Daktari sell in person, and that thing is pretty much always in stock everywhere I have looked.
I just find it irksome that they continually justify it as "dynamic poses". It's not. It's a "signature pose" of seemingly a specific sculptor.
At this point you can pretty much say that this has become the "Infinity pose" for female models, much like the "Games Workshop" pose for a 40k model is waving a melee weapon or gun and shouting.
But that is not even really the kicker for me. The fact that they are charging you for the PDF scenario without even giving you a physical copy of the scenario or unit stats is what makes me really question the wisdom behind this. The stated purpose of the boxes was to give you a "Quick Start" box--but what kind of stupid idea is a quick start box that requires you to print out the rules?
To a lesser extent I'm also slightly annoyed by the fact that the civilians/VIPs(barring Angus) are going to be pretty useless for actually having civilians on the field because so far they are female and all going to be in pretty much the same pose. Of course the Hazmat and the corporate VIP could potentially have a male option rather than female, but that is not really likely.
Enough about that though--how about that Anaconda? We should be seeing the rules for it soon.
I have to agree with Kan on this - the decision to include the mission in the form of a limited code for a PDF is annoying, as it means I won't get any of them, as I don't want half of the box's contents most of the time.
I think Warboss was talking about this kind of art:
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Yup, those were the ones I was referring to. Don't get me wrong, they're nice figures but I kind of had my heart set on a couple of the figs on those poses specifically. No big deal in the end but I was curious if that is a common occurrence and if anyone else gives a hoot.
BobbaFett wrote:Probably because there are more languages than english in the world, mate. Separate stock in different blocks for languages and you'll have a logistic nightmare.
That!
Nothing personal towards Kan, but any reasonable person should be able to understand that.
Going for a PDF is the only sensible way. You get the version you want (so I can decide whether I want the english version or not, that's good) and CB can reduce wastage in regards to production cost, distribution and plain waste of material.
Plus I wouldn't want a small folded and creased piece of paper as it would come out of a unit box. Sure, this way I'll have to pay for the print and possibly lamination, but I can make sure it looks good and at the same time CB can focus on the important stuff, providing lovely miniatures and a great game.
Also this way we don't have to pay extra for that scenario thing, if we don't want to.
In regards to the poses I'm basically with Kan. I'm also not a friend of those ott cheesecake poses, but that's the basic vibe of most Infinity designs and I think one just has to deal with it. So we have to either accept it, change it or just quit nagging.
Kan continues to hate The Sexy, but The Sexy continues to sell?
I don't really care about "the sexy". Plus I still maintain that you cannot put forward the idea that the models are selling for Infinity because of "the sexy". I still have yet to see the old cat Daktari sell in person, and that thing is pretty much always in stock everywhere I have looked.
I can absolutely continue to put forward that idea and have it probably be more valid than yours simply due to the fact that CB continues to make models in this theme!
It might be time for you to let the Cat Daktari hatred fade too...
Bipandra went from an implausible-yet-cool karate-kick pose to blowing a kiss.
Treitak went from combat-pose-warrior-race to a runway model strut.
Angus went from a gak-eating-grin to something that actually would make sense as a civvie.
Bipandra + Treitak = Love Can Bloom: Infinity Edition
I'm happy they put all three of those in the same box, because everything else looks great. So much stuff this month, it's insane. Dire Foes is a sneaky way for CB to convince us to get other factions' models.
There's at least one figure in each box that I like, so I'll probably wind up with all of these.
I'm a little disappointed at Angus. He doesn't look at all like his concept design. Before he just looked like a doofus, now he looks like PSY. Bipandra blowing a kiss is a little odd, but I find that I actually do like the figure. It'll be nice having a few Fusiliers that don't look like gak. Treitak looks cool, Lupe looks good (can't tell if she's retained the stiletto heels though) and I still like the Gui Feng. I can't tell if that comms operator is supposed to belong to any particular faction though.
The Treitak's pose does seem a little goofy, but from the renders they showed off for her, she's actually drawing her sword, so it isn't quite so silly.
I want that Gao Tarsos, but I dread the assembly of him and I'm generally not a fan of the figures standing on one foot. It seems like they'll be easier to break or bend from a fall.
Kanluwen wrote: The fact that they are charging you for the PDF scenario
Are they? I mean, I agree that having the scenario and useful stuff as an exclusive download is a dumb move, more if we are talking about a company that can brag of having all their gaming material available for free. But we still don't know the pricing of the boxes. If it's going to be the price of the regular 4 minis box, yep, disappointing. If it's going to be a lower price... they are understanding just as an extra, not as something really necessary.
Edit: on the Treitak commentaries, as Barzam says, we had already seen the render, so there wasn't much room for surprises :\
We don't know the price of this yet, right, so possibly a little premature to say that we are being forced to pay for the PDF rules?
Anyway! Really like the look of some of these miniatures.. CB is trying something new.. new art prints..I think some real reasons to be happy about this!
Nice painting. I'm rather happy with her, I wouldn't mind having her in a bit more dynamic pose with a stun pistol in her hands but I prefer her over Lupe or Yuriko.
Isobel is my favorite of them all, surprisingly. Must be the crouching pose. The poses on the others are pretty static. They're still great minis, but not the OMGWOW that CB usually brings out from me.
Looking forward to seeing how the interesting armament choices (like mines on the Gui Feng or hacking device on Isobel) play into the custom scenarios.
Are we sure that the art prints mentioned are actual physical prints included with the box? The way they word it, it sounds to me like they're part of the .pdf package. Regardless, I can't say I'm too bothered about the pdf thing. I do wonder about those missions though. Will they only use the figures in the box?
If "prints" are pdf only, I will fly over and personally slap them over the head with my hardback merriam-webster's collegiate dic (and god help me, Cause I have no clue where that bugger is buried here )
Barzam wrote: Are we sure that the art prints mentioned are actual physical prints included with the box? The way they word it, it sounds to me like they're part of the .pdf package.
It would be ridiculous to assume that the art prints are part of the PDF package. Who would want an art print that they have to print out themselves? That would be GW levels of stupidity.
Regardless, I can't say I'm too bothered about the pdf thing. I do wonder about those missions though. Will they only use the figures in the box?
Someone was saying that the missions are using 300 point forces in addition to the box--which if that is the case makes the whole thing even more ridiculous.
Why is it? 300pts is the established points level for playing the game, and Paradiso has already set the precedent of 300pts plus special character for the set missions in the campaign.
Ridiculous would be only having a mission that was playable with the 3 miniatures in the box, and TBH if you want to do that you can probably think of a mission to play yourself, and scribble it on the back of a paper towel in about 20 seconds.
I would rather the figures were available in single packs. There is only one or fewer I want from each box, and I am not interested in the art prints or scenarios.
Kanluwen wrote: The Comm-Tech is nice but the coquettish pose is kind of unnecessary IMO.
"Coquettish pose?" It's called contrapposto and has been with us since the ancient Greeks. I don't see anything "coquettish" about someone standing with most of their weight on one foot. It's pretty clear from the diorama pic that it was intended that the Comm-Tech be leaning against a wall - again, not especially coquettish. She looks to me to be someone trying to feign a lazy disinterested demeanor, possibly to perform some kind of concealed espionage or sabotage. Sort of the opposite of coquettish, really.
Kanluwen wrote: The Comm-Tech is nice but the coquettish pose is kind of unnecessary IMO.
"Coquettish pose?" It's called contrapposto and has been with us since the ancient Greeks. I don't see anything "coquettish" about someone standing with most of their weight on one foot. It's pretty clear from the diorama pic that it was intended that the Comm-Tech be leaning against a wall - again, not especially coquettish. She looks to me to be someone trying to feign a lazy disinterested demeanor, possibly to perform some kind of concealed espionage or sabotage. Sort of the opposite of coquettish, really.
If they wanted her leaning on a wall, they would have included one. The Securitate from the Nomad Starter has a similar pose yet includes a wall.
She is not a SpecOps. She's not there to do "concealed espionage or sabotage". She's a civilian model for the scenario.
There is a reason that I used the term "coquettish" instead of "contrapposto"(part of which being that I did not know this term before now--you learn something new every day!).
I do not know many women who stand like that just because they're putting weight on one leg more than the other. Do you?
I'm done arguing about it though. You want to talk about it? PM me. Alpharius is probably sick to death of it on day one of releases, but I've tried not to say too much about the models themselves and just focusing on the ridiculous logic of "free" missions you have to buy a pack of three models for.
Kanluwen wrote: I do not know many women who stand like that just because they're putting weight on one leg more than the other. Do you?
Since you asked the question publicly, I'll answer publicly. Yes, I do. Every woman I know stands like that. And every man too. It's exaggerated of course because at Infinity scale a truly naturalistic contrapposto pose would be impossible to notice, but it is the natural human balance when one puts their weight on one foot.
Kan continues to hate The Sexy, but The Sexy continues to sell?
I don't really care about "the sexy". Plus I still maintain that you cannot put forward the idea that the models are selling for Infinity because of "the sexy". I still have yet to see the old cat Daktari sell in person, and that thing is pretty much always in stock everywhere I have looked.
I can absolutely continue to put forward that idea and have it probably be more valid than yours simply due to the fact that CB continues to make models in this theme!
It might be time for you to let the Cat Daktari hatred fade too...
Also - hurrah for more art prints!
i am the proud owner of a Cat Daktari, and a few other sexy Infinity minis...
nothing wrong with a little Cheesecake...
Looks like I'll be grabbing the Fleeting Alliance pack. Love the civvie, love Space Daenerys, and my friend will put Thrasymedes to good use.
Not a fan of the other packs, but then I wasn't a fan of the concept art either. Now I'm wondering who the green haired civvie from the Human Sphere book they confirmed was in will be paired with. I'll be buying that pack just for tha tmodel, so I hope there's at least one spec ops in there I want.
-Loki- wrote: Looks like I'll be grabbing the Fleeting Alliance pack. Love the civvie, love Space Daenerys, and my friend will put Thrasymedes to good use.
Not a fan of the other packs, but then I wasn't a fan of the concept art either. Now I'm wondering who the green haired civvie from the Human Sphere book they confirmed was in will be paired with. I'll be buying that pack just for tha tmodel, so I hope there's at least one spec ops in there I want.
Would have to be something Haqq related wouldn't it? So that means a guaranteed sale to me.
Kanluwen wrote: If they wanted her leaning on a wall, they would have included one. The Securitate from the Nomad Starter has a similar pose yet includes a wall.
The Kamau hacker is clearly posed leaning against a wall, but doesn't include one. Just saying. I actually rather like the comms operator though. They gave her a ballcap and it looks like she might even have headphones on as well. Hell, even her midriff is covered. Pose her leaning up against a railing and she'll be a great figure. I just wish I could place which faction she'd go to. Her uniform looks a little Nomad-y to me. Is that base representative of any faction in particular?
Well no, the Hazmat civvie is said to be a Haqq civvie, so I'd assume that one will be paired with Yasbir. If there going to be a new Tohaa spec ops in these packs? If so, hopefully she'll be in that one.
-Loki- wrote: Well no, the Hazmat civvie is said to be a Haqq civvie, so I'd assume that one will be paired with Yasbir. If there going to be a new Tohaa spec ops in these packs? If so, hopefully she'll be in that one.
Look at you, with your knowledge.
Any pics of the stuff you're referencing floating around?
-Loki- wrote: Well no, the Hazmat civvie is said to be a Haqq civvie, so I'd assume that one will be paired with Yasbir. If there going to be a new Tohaa spec ops in these packs? If so, hopefully she'll be in that one.
Look at you, with your knowledge.
Any pics of the stuff you're referencing floating around?
Um... about 50 pages back in this thread? With the original concept art they showed for Dire Foes. There's a civilian in a Hazmat suit, and CB confirmed that was a HAqqislam civilian. So I'm assuming that means it's the civilian with Yasbir.
Since these packs cover Pan Oceania, CA, Aleph, Ariadna, Nomads and Yu Jing, that leaves Haqqislam and Tohaa, which is great for me, since I'll want both of those. But also means that we get either the Hazmat civilian or the green haired civilian from the Human Sphere art. But then I also remember that civilian being talked about as a bootleg, so I'd guess this last Dire Foes set will be Tohaa, Haqqislam and the Hazmat civilian.
I'm with Kan, the comm officers pose is not natural it's affected. I don't mind it, but still coquettish is quite fitting. For girls in music videos this is the most normal way of standing. So Beyonce, yes. Women I (enjoy to) know, no.
CB's sculptors do a great job in translating the subtleties of the human body whenever they feel like it, if they wanted a classical contrapposto, they could have done it.
-Loki- wrote: so I'd guess this last Dire Foes set will be Tohaa, Haqqislam and the Hazmat civilian.
Maybe I'm not getting your point, but we do know what is being bundled together (apart from some of the civvies), don't we? Haqq and Tohaa is not coming in a pack. It's Tohaa and Shasvastii and then Yasbir and Konstantinos. That's what they showed on BOW.
http://www.beastsofwar.com/infinity/infinity-face-dire-foes/
Aha, that's where I got mixed up. I forgot Pan Oceania and CA were getting two each.
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Kanluwen wrote: and just focusing on the ridiculous logic of "free" missions you have to buy a pack of three models for.
Considering the missions require the use of the models in the pack, it's no different to putting a printout in the box. Except, as mentioned several times, multiple languages make this hard to do.
While it's become community accepted to proxy, this is done to get around CB not releasing some profiles. If the model exists, proxying it for more than testing generally isn't done. These are specific missions made to use those exact models from the box, which means proxying would be out as those models exist.
Um... about 50 pages back in this thread? With the original concept art they showed for Dire Foes. There's a civilian in a Hazmat suit, and CB confirmed that was a Haqqislam civilian. So I'm assuming that means it's the civilian with Yasbir.
Since these packs cover Pan Oceania, CA, Aleph, Ariadna, Nomads and Yu Jing, that leaves Haqqislam and Tohaa, which is great for me, since I'll want both of those. But also means that we get either the Hazmat civilian or the green haired civilian from the Human Sphere art. But then I also remember that civilian being talked about as a bootleg, so I'd guess this last Dire Foes set will be Tohaa, Haqqislam and the Hazmat civilian.
The VIP("girl with the green hair") is the one supposed to be in the Haqqislam/PanOceania box and the Hazmat is supposed to be in the Tohaa/Shasvastii box last I heard.
Considering the missions require the use of the models in the pack, it's no different to putting a printout in the box. Except, as mentioned several times, multiple languages make this hard to do.
While it's become community accepted to proxy, this is done to get around CB not releasing some profiles. If the model exists, proxying it for more than testing generally isn't done. These are specific missions made to use those exact models from the box, which means proxying would be out as those models exist.
I'm really not seeing the problem here.
The only thing "required" from the box is the civilian and the code for the Mission Dossier. There is nothing preventing you from doing a conversion or "counts as" of the characters while adapting the scenarios to be played by different factions.
RiTides wrote:The warstore is the first place to get new releases in the states, right?
Kanluwen wrote: The only thing "required" from the box is the civilian and the code for the Mission Dossier. There is nothing preventing you from doing a conversion or "counts as" of the characters while adapting the scenarios to be played by different factions.
There's nothing stopping you adapting the campaign for your own either, but you have to pay for it, since until now the campaign itself from Paradiso was the only thing CB haven't put out for free. It appears that trend is going to continue. Rules and unit profiles for generic gameplay and tournaments are free, story driven scenarios are paid for.
I'm waiting on the geckos to see if I'll take the plunge or not. I like the concept art but I've been somewhat surprised and/or disappointed with the conversion of concept art into minis with Infinity so I'm not spending anything until I see finished minis (as opposed to even renders).
What are you looking at? No way that is thicker than a rocket launcher. I admit it looks quite high, but I guess that's because it's a stubnosed combirifle with the magazine in the middle.
