BrotherHaraldus wrote: I really like how he is wearing what looks like 'Terminator' style Primarch armour, while everyone else seems to prefer 'Power' style Primarch armour.
Well, Ferrus Manus also wears terminator style armor ... both armors of Ferrus and Horus look somewhat alike ... perhaps Ferrus did his part in designing the armor for the Warmaster
BrotherHaraldus wrote: I really like how he is wearing what looks like 'Terminator' style Primarch armour, while everyone else seems to prefer 'Power' style Primarch armour.
Well, Ferrus Manus also wears terminator style armor ... both armors of Ferrus and Horus look somewhat alike ... perhaps Ferrus did his part in designing the armor for the Warmaster
The 'Serpents Scales' was a gift from the Fabricator General of Mars, the visual link is probably just to unify the Primarchs as brothers.
I suspect, as a RG player, that Extermination will be the first purchase I've made from GW in quite some time, and the first direct purchase in god knows how long. While, assuming it's £70 like the others, the price is a little sharp, I can at least see where some of the money is going, and I'll happily reward what I feel is 40K/30K done right with my money.
Really interested to see what Legion specialist units my Space Ninjas are going to get, and rules for Corax.
Anyone else watched the vids yet and noticed what Simon said ? Horus armour has been good practice for his next Heresy project that will involve a lot of embossed details on armour. Custodes maybe ?
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This is purely conjecture, but if the cover of Vulkan Lives is anything to go by, then I'd hazard a guess Vulkan is gonna be in a highly ornate set of Terminator armour as well. He is, after all, one of the largest Primarchs. However, I'd guess that they'll probably release Mortarion next, thus completing all the Primarchs from Betrayal, before moving on to Vulkan or Conrad Curze, thus finishing the Primarchs from Massacre. If it is Vulkan, trust me to have had a rant two pages ago about the lack of Salamanders, only for them to make and appearance.
EDIT: Regarding the map, I think I see the words 'Marletium' and Panopticon' as two of the defensive positions, but Lexicanum yields no results on those. Similarly, Lexicanum yields no results on Heresy-Era Alpha Legion engagements other than Isstvan V, or general harrassing actions, including two different engagements against White Scars on Tallarn and Space Wolves at Yarant. My guess is just one of the Isstvan V Loyalist mop-up operations.
I'd also guess Morty before Vulkan, wasnt it this thread that mentioned someone heard sallies arent all that popular and that could be the reason FW hasnt done a ton of sally kits? While I've always thought the sallies were a relatively popular chapter they havent gotten a ton of love from FW but correlation does not always equal causation. Mainly for the reason warpig mentioned I'd expect Morty to be next just to complete the book primarchs.
EDIT: Regarding the map, I think I see the words 'Marletium' and Panopticon' as two of the defensive positions, but Lexicanum yields no results on those. Similarly, Lexicanum yields no results on Heresy-Era Alpha Legion engagements other than Isstvan V, or general harrassing actions, including two different engagements against White Scars on Tallarn and Space Wolves at Yarant. My guess is just one of the Isstvan V Loyalist mop-up operations.
Quite possible. All of the other engagements by Alpha Legion vs. someone else have been space engagements, if I recall correctly.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Just like GW doesn't show any love for Iron Hands or White Scars because they aren't 'popular'. Well when you don't support them at all and don't give their fans/players something but, how can they be 'popular'?
@ironicsilence - Yeah that was me who was griping about the lack of Salamanders :( Mainly I was just confused because I'd have expected at least something, even if it isn't a Character or Primarch.
I've just had a thought as well - If Extermination features Imperial Fists v Iron Warriors at Phall, then maybe the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion are going to be paired together regarding the 98 days of 'The Raven's Flight' in which the Raven Guard systematically evaded pursing Traitor elements before they were evacuated by a small fleet of Raven Guard ships. Unbeknownst to them, Alpha Legion operatives had slipped in amongst them, utilising skin grafting from dead Raven Guard marines, in order to raise a rebellion on Kiavahr and sabotage the Raven Guards attempts to re-build.
SickSix wrote: It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Just like GW doesn't show any love for Iron Hands or White Scars because they aren't 'popular'. Well when you don't support them at all and don't give their fans/players something but, how can they be 'popular'?
Or maybe they come to the conclusion based on a decade of sales of conversion kits, bits, vehicles, and special characters for those chapters/legions selling less than others... You're guessing it's a chicken/egg situation based on your own bias likely but without anything to support it. Don't get me wrong as I do want each legion to get some attention but some models simply sell better than others despite whining to the contrary. The majority of armies I've seen over the past 15 years of casual 40k gaming have been loyalist marines despite the fact that they only comprise a third of the available army choices. GW and FW likely operate under the premise (supported by their own data) that marines sell better than xenos and some marines sell better than others.
SickSix wrote: It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Just like GW doesn't show any love for Iron Hands or White Scars because they aren't 'popular'. Well when you don't support them at all and don't give their fans/players something but, how can they be 'popular'?
Probably because for a very long time Iron Hands had virtually NO personality.. White scars are just monguls in space which unfortunately a lot don't identify with (ALSO, bikes are crazy expensive and look dumb)
I realy like all of the FW character series models and have been anticipating this release probably most of all. I really like the Horus model but I suppose my great anticipation has left me underwhelmed. By FW standards every aspect of it is good IMO but in releasing Horus I was probably expecting something to pop that I probably would never get. Not sure what i was wanting lol Perhaps a bit more emotion in the face similar to Abaddon or Angron. I know they took an artistic approach to show him as regal vs in the heat of battle etc.... This isn't me complaining and I realise I am the minority to even make any critical observations by the posts I have seen so far. Perhaps I am still drunk with elation that today is the day the sculpt was shown lol....Which of course is awesome to have a Horus sculpt.
Your probably right and admittedly I am sure this sculpt will grow on me. I looked at FW for photos that would show alternative bits like on the kharn video/model and didn't see any.
My most iconic memory of horus in the bl novels is when he was introduced teleporting in with a storm bolter and smiling while killing the false emperor.
I foresee people buying the Horus model solely to get that scenic base. I know I wouldn't mind having one.
And Book III can't get to me fast enough. 40K bores me most of the time, but 30K excites me and sparks my imagination.
What I do hope, however, is that they'll eventually release a book that is just all the rules, army lists, and characters so I only have to carry one book around. As it is now, I have to carry Book I and II when I play.
Nobody is supposed to know that Omegon exists. Wearing a massive clue on your armour is just utterly fething stupid when you're supposed to be the experts at covert ops, spying and all other secretive shenanigans.
It's only a clue because we know all the details to the universe as readers of the fluff.
It could be a symbol of the Alpha legion thinking that they are "the beginning and the end", the ultimate response for the Emperor's fury or any other explanation besides "Hidden Primarch" etc etc
Yeah, I don't see the big issue. Next you guys will be complaining that there is no point to the Dark Angels and the other Unforgiven chapters continuing their secret quests because everyone knows about the fallen.
I do see the point, but you don't seem to recognise that it is only us that know this super secret. The Alpha Legion having an "Omega" behind their "Alpha" could be explained in many ways to any inquiry about its meaning without having to do the old scooby doo pull the sheet off and reveal the carnival owner stuff.
"Oh gak you figured out we have a hidden primarch because we put an Omega on our armour! It couldn't possibly mean anything else!"
The Omegon is unnecessary for the Alpha Legion. It is just superfluous, and has no point being there other than to be a big, ham fisted, pantomime wink.
Seems like any number of movies that have a surprise twist ending. If you already know the secret, then you can't understand how anyone else can watch the movie and not be able to figure it out before the reveal. But if you don't know the secret, then all the clues mean nothing to you or are easily explained away as something else.
The video on Horus just made me realize how much I love the model. Everything from the scenic base to the regal pose is just perfect!
Also, am I right in assuming the the Thousand Sons will be in the book after Extermination? As much as I love all these releases I just really want some good TSons armour kits...
Alpharius wrote: You guys are reeeeaaallllly stretching it to make a weak point.
It is OK to admit that it is gooftastic and move right on.
I agree. You should just admit that and the thread can move on.
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Commander Cain wrote: The video on Horus just made me realize how much I love the model. Everything from the scenic base to the regal pose is just perfect!
Also, am I right in assuming the the Thousand Sons will be in the book after Extermination? As much as I love all these releases I just really want some good TSons armour kits...
There was mention of another SET of books to cover the legions not remotely involved as Istvaan. I assume one would be at Prospero, another at Calth, and the likely third?? Alpha Legion versus Dark Angels? Scars doing whatever it is that they were doing before Terra? Blood Angels on that demon planet whose name I can't recall?
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What I do hope, however, is that they'll eventually release a book that is just all the rules, army lists, and characters so I only have to carry one book around. As it is now, I have to carry Book I and II when I play.
Can't agree more. I have to say that I would put it even further. One softcover book, without fluff!
I really hate these big heavy books, very UNeasy to read.
azreal13 wrote: The Omegon is unnecessary for the Alpha Legion. It is just superfluous, and has no point being there other than to be a big, ham fisted, pantomime wink.
And a giant eye isn't necessary for the Sons of Horus.
"oh noes, superflourus!"
Honestly, I can't think of something more lame to be bothered about. Frankly, the logo would have looked dumb if it had just been a naked A.
The inclusion of the Omega could simply have been a big old middle finger at the Ultramarines. After all, Alpharius and Roboute weren't the bestest of buds, and it's not like the Omega and Ultramarines U are all that different.
Seriously? Does an omega painted on their armour automatically make marines think, "hmm, maybe that primatch has a twin"? Is that the most natural thought someone in the 40k universe would think, or would they just think "it's just one of their usual shenanigans". Which situation would be more plausible for them to think?
To suddenly jump to the conclusion that Alpharius has a twin because of one of their insignias is really really really far fetched...
Howard A Treesong wrote: Are we sure to be getting a good and an evil variant of the Primarchs? I'd love a Horus, but I'd prefer an villainous version.
FW wants to make Primarch variants, especially the evil one, but it will take time ...
Excessus wrote: Seriously? Does an omega painted on their armour automatically make marines think, "hmm, maybe that primatch has a twin"? Is that the most natural thought someone in the 40k universe would think, or would they just think "it's just one of their usual shenanigans". Which situation would be more plausible for them to think?
To suddenly jump to the conclusion that Alpharius has a twin because of one of their insignias is really really really far fetched...
The point is that there is no reason for it and it is still a clue. No one will jump to the conclusion of 'oh there is another primarch' but they might wonder why it is there. That wondering wont likely lead to anything but there is the tiniest chance that it could. The Alpha legion are smarter and more paranoid than that, it shouldn't be there.
Nobody is supposed to know that Omegon exists. Wearing a massive clue on your armour is just utterly fething stupid when you're supposed to be the experts at covert ops, spying and all other secretive shenanigans.
It's about as stupid as actually physically BRANDING your human covert agents with your legion symbol, I reckon.
Can't believe people are arguing about the symbol, when the whole "there were TWO primarchs all along!" bit of fluff is perhaps the worst addition to the canon of the whole Heresy series.
As others have said, the omega symbol on the armour doesn't really give anything away... unless you already know about Omegon. At the risk of repeating what\s already been said, I'll chuck my own two cents into the ring.
It's a theme for the Alpha Legion; they were the last Legion to have their Primarch found and they struggled to prove themselves the equal of the other, more established, Legions. That's why they were called the Alpha Legion - to show that they weren't johnny-come-lately. They were just as good, just as capable, just as worthy of all the other Legions. They were the last chapter (Omega) and believed themselves worthy of becoming/being the best (Alpha). All the other Legions used their armour as displays - the Emperor's Children were the only Legion allowed to wear the aquila on theirs. The Night Lords made themselves into instruments of terror and echoed this with their armour designs. Why wouldn't the Alpha Legion have an Alpha-Omega symbol? They are the last Legion and will be the first. They are just as good as any other despite their strategies and tactics. They are the equal of the other Legions, even if their Primarch was the final one to be found.
Alpha to Omega. It's a statement of pride and intent. 'We will not be overlooked. We will be the first.'
If you know about Omegon, then yes it becomes incredibly obvious... in hindsight. If you don't, it's a Legion that already uses the Greek alphabet displaying a point of pride about who they are. The last, and the first. Just like the Emperor's Children proudly wear the aquila to show how worthy they have been deemed by the Emperor, how the Night Lords take on the visages of death as a mark of pride in their brutality, how they enforce peace through terror.
It still seems an overly obvious double entendre/sly knowing wink and, IN MY OPINION, rather out of character for the Legion as a whole.
Still, the rest of this 'debate' is probably best continued in a separate thread down in 40K Background, leaving this thread safe to continue On Topic moving forward.
Maybe I'm just blind but until someone said there was an Omega in that symbol, I just thought it was a very stylized Alpha. Like an "A" with a halo behind it. I don't read any 40k novels but I knew about Omegon and I still wasn't seeing it until someone said the alphas on top of the omega.
Ratius wrote: Cant wait for the next book, the first two have been really awesome.
Where/when is it set by the way?
It's the end of the Dropsite Massacre, covering what wasn't in Book Two, and it appears some sort of scrap between the Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists, the location of which currently escapes me...
It's the Battle of Phall, probably. Basically a space battle though there are lots of boarding actions, including one where Perterabo's ship was boarded (likely to be touched on in the book, I suppose?)
TiamatRoar wrote: It's the Battle of Phall, probably. Basically a space battle though there are lots of boarding actions, including one where Perterabo's ship was boarded (likely to be touched on in the book, I suppose?)
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What I do hope, however, is that they'll eventually release a book that is just all the rules, army lists, and characters so I only have to carry one book around. As it is now, I have to carry Book I and II when I play.
Can't agree more. I have to say that I would put it even further. One softcover book, without fluff!
I really hate these big heavy books, very UNeasy to read.
Even better would be a collected enhanced eBook!
The books are lovely. I'm glad they exist, and I'm happy to buy them.
For actual use, I have the PDF files which I'll be using on my new tablet. Since I bought the books, I don't see any moral quandary with keeping them in pristine condition.
I just hope they continue to develops the night lords models and don't just leave it with head and torso like the plague marine kits. Selling half a kit just doesn't do it for me. At least with these it easier to just add some bones, but the plague marines are hard to do justice to with the wear and tear , not to mention the filth and decay.
TiamatRoar wrote: It's the Battle of Phall, probably. Basically a space battle though there are lots of boarding actions, including one where Perterabo's ship was boarded (likely to be touched on in the book, I suppose?)
You know what really sucks about this, now that I think about it? Imagine how awesome it would be if Battlefleet Gothic was still being supported by GW. FW could be giving us rules for fighting the Heresy in space, too.
TiamatRoar wrote: It's the Battle of Phall, probably. Basically a space battle though there are lots of boarding actions, including one where Perterabo's ship was boarded (likely to be touched on in the book, I suppose?)
You know what really sucks about this, now that I think about it? Imagine how awesome it would be if Battlefleet Gothic was still being supported by GW. FW could be giving us rules for fighting the Heresy in space, too.
And heresy era ships... There are suppose to be much larger ships than battleships and Battle Barges in this era. Battle Barges used like cruisers, cruisers used like an escort... ships that in the 40k era would be used by spaced based chapters as Fortress Monestaries used as commonly as battleships.
The Horus sculpt is very nice but I thought he would be painted in the Luna Wolves white... I was expecting them to save the black Sons of Horus armor for the chaos version of him. Would have created a better contrast between the 2 on their website if and when the second version comes out.
I guess people could simply paint this version as they wish though.
JSoul wrote: The Horus sculpt is very nice but I thought he would be painted in the Luna Wolves white... I was expecting them to save the black Sons of Horus armor for the chaos version of him. Would have created a better contrast between the 2 on their website if and when the second version comes out.
I guess people could simply paint this version as they wish though.
It would have no link/synergy with the Sons of Horus if he was portrayed in the white, the entire release is the XVI at the start of the Heresy thus far, not before.
JSoul wrote: The Horus sculpt is very nice but I thought he would be painted in the Luna Wolves white... I was expecting them to save the black Sons of Horus armor for the chaos version of him. Would have created a better contrast between the 2 on their website if and when the second version comes out.
I guess people could simply paint this version as they wish though.
It would have no link/synergy with the Sons of Horus if he was portrayed in the white, the entire release is the XVI at the start of the Heresy thus far, not before.
Ahh yes, good point.
I think if I were to paint this figure though I would go the Luna Wolves scheme simply for contrast.
throwoff wrote: I think he looks a little underwhelming if I am honest...
He almost destroyed the entire imperium, I kind of want him to look more badass.
Saying that I have no actual idea as to how to accomplish that without making him look cheese as hell.
This version represents him prior to and during his betrayal. He hasn't manifested physical chaos corruption yet. His description and portrayel prior to the Heresy is always one of nobility and strength. FW has said that as the Heresy goes on the Primarchs that see a physical change will get alternate versions. No doubt someone as critical to his heresy as Horus would fall into this category.
I quite like the heads and torsos both. I could see the torsos being used in Word Bearers forces as well. Particularly the one with the reliquary in the chest. In fact, all but the middle (bat wing) ones would work very well for loyalist 40k chaplains.
ironicsilence wrote: Ive actually got that very same combination of symbols as a tattoo on my arm. Though for different reasons
OPERATIVE!
On topic; I've been resisting the HH models for a while now, but that Horus sculpt is nearly pushing me over the edge. In fact the only thing really stopping me is the worry that my painting wouldn't do it justice. And if they release a decent Alpha & Omegon sculpt I will crumble.
... is not a convention exclusive, but a general release mini.
xowainx wrote: Can't believe people are arguing about the symbol, when the whole "there were TWO primarchs all along!" bit of fluff is perhaps the worst addition to the canon of the whole Heresy series.
There's a character called Damon who has worked for aliens for millennia, and talks of how he killed Martin Luther King Jr, and Omegon is the worst new part of the fluff?
H.B.M.C. wrote: There's a character called Damon who has worked for aliens for millennia, and talks of how he killed Martin Luther King Jr, and Omegon is the worst new part of the fluff?
I quite like the idea of the perpetual characters and their role in the HH but admit that the execution is laughable in places, such as that.
... is not a convention exclusive, but a general release mini.
Lololololol, how typical is that; I was worried it would be a convention exclusive because I didn't want to pay ebay prices for it, and Forgeworld decide to cut out the middleman and just charge ebay prices themselves. £22 including shipping?
... I think that Iron Father model is terrible. One of the things I've liked about 30k up to this point is everything was practical design barring some flair. The hell are those cables on the torso for? It doesn't look bling, nor does it look like something necessary.
The rest of it looks just fine but that torso is atrocious.
xowainx wrote: Can't believe people are arguing about the symbol, when the whole "there were TWO primarchs all along!" bit of fluff is perhaps the worst addition to the canon of the whole Heresy series.
There's a character called Damon who has worked for aliens for millennia, and talks of how he killed Martin Luther King Jr, and Omegon is the worst new part of the fluff?
Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of that either..
Really like the Iron Father model, and the Night Lords bits are great, just, as ever, a little expensive if you want to deck out a whole squad of ten with them.
Horus is definitely great! Now that I've had a better look at the Iron Father I still like it. I was nervous about the head, but it's pretty good I think. However, I think it would have looked better if his weapons were on the opposite arms. As in he's pointing his volkite ready to fire, with his axe being held aloft. Oh well, pretty easy mod.
It might be the first series I reread as I am sorely considering getting into 30k with night lords. Excellent series, very enjoyable characters and leaves the ending open to...... won't spoil it.
Theophony wrote: It might be the first series I reread as I am sorely considering getting into 30k with night lords. Excellent series, very enjoyable characters and leaves the ending open to...... won't spoil it.
I'm reading the Tome of Fire set at the moment and I gotta say, the urge to start a Salamander army is veeeeeeeeery tempting.
alphaecho wrote: Well, looks like those Night Lord releases finally see me dipping my toe into 30K!
Due to the vagaries of The Warp, the Heresy will only have been fifty years ago for one of my 40K Night Lords squads.
Hm, this sounds interesting. What's a good novel/etc for a bit of that sort of thing?
I haven't read the ADB books for a while but for the Night Lords in that, its a couple of hundred years real time for them not 10 000 since the Heresy. Personally I've never been a fan of the whole horned hemets and spikes Chaos image. I prefer my NL to be vicious, bitter killers because its their nature and they want to rather than be driven by daemon worship. The FW stuff will allow me to reflect that.
I must resist the urge to make a gangster style night lords army with al Capone as the leader. Though the thought of tommy guns and baseball bats is very appealing .
Theophony wrote: It might be the first series I reread as I am sorely considering getting into 30k with night lords. Excellent series, very enjoyable characters and leaves the ending open to...... won't spoil it.
I'm reading the Tome of Fire set at the moment and I gotta say, the urge to start a Salamander army is veeeeeeeeery tempting.
Funny how a book/s can do that to you.
Psst. Hey! Hey Snrub! Do it - do it now! You know you want to... . I've have to say, it was Nick Kyme's Tome of fire series that got me into Salamanders as well. Fortunately, the Tome of Fire series isn't the end of the story - he's got another series on the way, 'The Circle of Fire'. That, and he's hints in the HB version of Vulkan Lives that he's still got some Heresy-Era Salamanders stuff to do. I'm just kinda irritated that I've got 40K Salamanders now. I suppose I can always mix 30K 'relics' in, but it's just not the same :( I may have to get that Salamanders Omnibus to re-kindle my love for 40K Salamanders
@reds8n - I'm intrigued as to where that mini came from - I can't find it on FW?
EDIT: Oh wait, just noticed the Iron Hands icons of the mini reds8n has shown us. That brings the Iron Hands up to 18 dedicated products!
It's not a "dedicated product". It's an Event model.
They've started doing a 40k Event model, a Fantasy Event model, and a Horus Heresy Event model.
Yeah, about that one - it seems that 18 it is. I have to admit, for all my confusion at the lack of FW Salamanders releases, I didn't dislike the Iron Hands releases coming out in their stead. But the Iron Father, IMHO, is quite underwhelming after the other IH releases. I can't say it's particularly engaging me. Possibly it's the FW paintjob (Which is surprising, as they're usually quite good)?
The Krios Battle Tank is a vehicle of arcane and ancient design that fulfils a tactical role within Mechanicum armies similar to that of the Predator tank more widely used by other forces of the Imperium. Its durability is provided by interlocking defensive energy fields, rather than physical armour, lending it a deceptively skeletal appearance.
The most common armament mounted upon the Krios is the lightning cannon. This configuration takes advantage of the tank’s powerful on-board reactor’s vast energy capacity to create a laser-path guided electromagnetic beam, able to vaporise flesh and rupture heavy armour with ease.
The rules for the Mechanicum Krios Battle Tank, as well as many other exciting new models, can be found in the forthcoming The Horus Heresy Book Three: Extermination.
A limited quantity of this multi-part resin kit, designed by Stuart Williamson, will be available to purchase at the Forge World Open Day and will also be available to pre-order on the day as well. The Krios Battle Tank will go on general release in the next few weeks.
That is appropriately bizarre. I dig the idea that the tank eschews physical armor in lieu of force field technology, it gives the AdMech a potential unique aesthetic from both Guard and Astartes vehicles.
I'm not really sure about this one. The overall shape is kind of weird, but the detail on it looks like a lot of fun to paint. I suppose whether or not I buy it probably depends on if I can remove the crew model. After all, priceless relic tanks are wasted on mere mortals when there are perfectly good DKoK tank crew available.
It is armed with a bigger version of the Thallaxii gun, so will this thing have shred and rending? If it fires a blast, that could be totally lethal.
At first the hull reminded me of the Sicaran, but the side profiles don't quite match after closer comparison, so it really is an entirely new tank series.
I like the (not very subtle IMO) underlying similarities with Necron aesthetics in the model and fluff (the driver, the skeletal vibe, defence form energy shields).
Baragash wrote: I like the (not very subtle IMO) underlying similarities with Necron aesthetics in the model and fluff (the driver, the skeletal vibe, defence form energy shields).
Baragash wrote: I like the (not very subtle IMO) underlying similarities with Necron aesthetics in the model and fluff (the driver, the skeletal vibe, defence form energy shields).
Not seeing that at all myself, the crew seems to be drawing primarily from the Magos Dominus model, and the Mechanicus were known for fielding warmachines with energy fields before the Necron faction even existed. Then again, I completely ignore the vacant, lazy, agency-destroying "hurr durr da Dragun'z wot dun it" hinted explanation of the Mechanicum's origins, on the basis that A; it's vacant, lazy, and destroys the agency of the faction & any interesting meaning their story had before, and B; it originated in the poorly conceived initial incarnation of the Necrons as a faction, in which they were shoehorned into everyone else's history to make them seem more "relevant" without regard for how that changed the character of said stories, and thankfully the vast majority of that stupidity was retconned away in the newer Codex.
If Forgeworld decide to revive that pile of incoherent dross(which I trust they won't since they seem to have a basic grasp of narrative and character/faction agency that the GW studio proper have lost), it'll be really depressing, since I was looking forward to building a Heresy-era force and reading the future campaign books. I've already ceased purchasing from GW proper because of the massive dump they took on the Iron Hands, I'd hate to have to do the same with FW.
Osbad wrote: That Krios battletank looks very steampunk!
If I hadn't seen it advertised as FW I'd have thought it was something for Spartan Games' Dystopian Legions!
An interesting direction for FW to be taking.
Exactly what I was thinking.
I'm not a Mechanicum fan, but I think it fits very well with the other pieces in that army and I agree it is an interesting direction that keep them different from SM/IG.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Can you use any of these new vehicles in 40k, or is it restricted to 30k?
Hopefully we'll see 40k rules but FW have said other stuff will be 30k only ("the Thallax and Castellax don't exist in 40k as the Legio Cybernetica was disbanded after the Horus Heresy.").
Other Forum wrote:Hi,
Thank you for your email. The Mechanicum from the Horus Heresy is the pre-runner to the Adeptus Mechanicus, however there are many changed to it before it becomes the Adeptus Mechanicus.
The Rules for the Mechanicum from the Horus Heresy are not designed to be used in games of 40k. We currently have no plans to release rules for the Mechanicum in games of 40k.
Don't know if the quote is real, but if it is, FW should watch their spelling and reconsider making one of their best sellers more available.
Not particularly a fan of the Krios as it's a step too far in the Wierd War I direction for me personally. It's ok because the awesomeness of the Horus sculpt should keep my spirits up till next week's blog/releases.
I think it is considered a tank hunter. Here a turret-less design is often favoured because of the low silhouette and they are cheap and simple to produce - which would make no sense for the Mechanicum though.
Kosake wrote: I think it is considered a tank hunter. Here a turret-less design is often favoured because of the low silhouette and they are cheap and simple to produce - which would make no sense for the Mechanicum though.
Also because you can fit a bigger gun on the same sized chassis than in a turret.
A lot of the HH art depicts the Mechanicum as big guns on tracks so this is with in that norm. It's more just a question of how well it fits it's role. It's suppose to be in place of a Predator Tank... The rules will probably end up with the lethality of all lascannons predator and autocannon/heavy bolter predator in one... Tank hunter?-Yes. Artillery?-Yes. But does this look like a Battle Tank?-I don't think so, as it doesn't look like it'd be able to acquire targets quickly enough.
Oh man, that tank has gotten me one step closer to starting a Mechanicum army... The only thing stopping me is that it's so expensive... And that I don't know anybody who plays 30k...
The Krios Battle Tank is not a tank, it's a self-propelled gun, sometimes also referred to as SPA or self-propelled artillery. Forge World staff probably know the difference too, but thought it would sell better if they called it a tank.
Count me in for the plastic crack sold my apoc eldar to buy an ad mech force so glad I did getting to transform my salamanders to a full 30k instead of half and half I think guard will be my only 40k army
As probably the biggest Ad-Mech fan and possibly the biggest collector of Mechanicum on Dakka, I think a pretty big deal to me to say I think it's pretty meh. The size of the tracks on either side overwhelm the chassis from a design standpoint, and just aren't that interesting or unique, and as prowla pointed out, it's pretty much just a giant Laser Destroyer upscaled, which is just incredibly lazy design. To date, the other Mechanicum models have been truly ground-breaking and unprecedented in GW design history, from the Magos to the Castellax, Thallaxi and Myrmidons, not to mention the Tech Thralls, although they haven't been without flaws (Too cluttered frontally on the Magos, Castellax having only three viable poses, Thallaxi heavy weapons unavailability and monopose (seriously, there are only two different arms, Tech-thralls have only a single torso, Myrmidon Secutors/Destructors have the same bodies.)
In terms of tank design, the Sicarian battle tank was definitely huge step forward in GW/FW design, comparable to the step from the old Land Raider to the new Jes Goodwin Land Raider. The logical step for Mechanicum was to have either heavy grav-vehicles and wierd/creepy large walkers which would further play into the theme of their slow-moving, shooty hypertough monstrous creature army. The tank will look out completely out of place with my current army with the dullness of the giant rhomboids on either side of it.
It happens any time GW makes a new army or revisits an army after a long time, what you had before will tend to look out of place.
I don't think we'll see Mechanicum get large walkers beyond knights. Aesthetically I think GW/FW see it as a chaos or dark Mechanicum thing. I'm inclined to believe we'll see more of these different tracked guns and varieties of robots, in addition to the infantry we're still waiting on. The tracked guns and robots seem to dominate the existing artwork.
I wonder if this lightning cannon will see appearances elsewhere, like say on the Knight Crusader or Castellan?
Things change, options get added, and I'm sure something impressive will happen to these Knights but I believe the crusader/castellan have previously had a quake cannon and either twin-linked lascannon or gatling heavy bolter.
Other Forum wrote:Hi,
Thank you for your email. The Mechanicum from the Horus Heresy is the pre-runner to the Adeptus Mechanicus, however there are many changed to it before it becomes the Adeptus Mechanicus.
The Rules for the Mechanicum from the Horus Heresy are not designed to be used in games of 40k. We currently have no plans to release rules for the Mechanicum in games of 40k.
Why, oh why? That is bloody insane! I really love FW's Mechanicum models, but I won't be getting them unless they get proper 40K rules. I'm sure there are a ton of people who feel the same way; GW is losing huge potential sales because of this.
Other Forum wrote:Hi,
Thank you for your email. The Mechanicum from the Horus Heresy is the pre-runner to the Adeptus Mechanicus, however there are many changed to it before it becomes the Adeptus Mechanicus.
The Rules for the Mechanicum from the Horus Heresy are not designed to be used in games of 40k. We currently have no plans to release rules for the Mechanicum in games of 40k.
Why, oh why? That is bloody insane! I really love FW's Mechanicum models, but I won't be getting them unless they get proper 40K rules. I'm sure there are a ton of people who feel the same way; GW is losing huge potential sales because of this.
I'd play against a 30k army long before I'd play a game of Escalation or Stronghold Assault.
I don't like it as a Mechanicum tank. The exposed parts look very low tech [more like DKoK] rather than pinnacle of human technological advancement. Just looks very incongruous in comparison to the other Mechanicum stuff.
I'm not completely sold on the giant 1970's 'death-ray' looking gun, but overall I rather like it - not enough to start an AdMech force, but enough to admire it from afar.
Other Forum wrote:Hi,
Thank you for your email. The Mechanicum from the Horus Heresy is the pre-runner to the Adeptus Mechanicus, however there are many changed to it before it becomes the Adeptus Mechanicus.
The Rules for the Mechanicum from the Horus Heresy are not designed to be used in games of 40k. We currently have no plans to release rules for the Mechanicum in games of 40k.
Why, oh why? That is bloody insane! I really love FW's Mechanicum models, but I won't be getting them unless they get proper 40K rules. I'm sure there are a ton of people who feel the same way; GW is losing huge potential sales because of this.
I'd play against a 30k army long before I'd play a game of Escalation or Stronghold Assault.
Agreed (although SHA is fine if you ignore the Aquila Strongpoint and Void Shield Generator entries). There is absolutely no good reason for anybody to deny you from playing a Horus Heresy army against a 40K army.
And if someone wants to complain about FW being overpowered, smack them upside the head with the Tau, Eldar, and Demon codices. Although, in a straight up book fight, the Horus Heresy books have the edge over the regular codices, because they're bigger, heavier, and have sharp metal corners to draw blood with.
So looking at this new tank all it does is reinforce to me both how on their game forgeworld are and how much gw have lost the plot (compare this to gw's latest tank kit, the turtle wagon).
Emprah be praised! A new Mechanicum tank that has a cool not dumb retro look, a unified appearance, and generally all an all around a great model. If GW could take a note on how to make a tank.
Bronzefists42 wrote: Emprah be praised! A new Mechanicum tank that has a cool not dumb retro look, a unified appearance, and generally all an all around a great model. If GW could take a note on how to make a tank.
Jehan-reznor wrote: I like the steampunky look of that tank, self propelled gun, whatever. But does it have a shield? All the inner workings are visible.
The discription describes it as haveing "inter locking force fields" instead of conventional armour.
How that works rule wise remains to be seen. I will be happy to share once i get my paws on HH book 3. lol
I'm interested to find out how they represent the energy fields in game rules. I would think either a straight up armour value (like necron quantum shields) probably also equipped with the flare shields wargear, or a system more like void shields. Possibly both. Also may have an Invulnerable save when I think about it.
azreal13 wrote: For 100 points you give every model in your army in a 24+" bubble 3 extra AV12 HPs with IWND on top of their own toughness and armouur saves.
So what would be the fluffiest armor mk to get if I were startin Alpha legion with this release? Probably going to get the book and the 30 tac marine bundle.
This Limited Edition Collection contains The Horus Heresy Book Three – Extermination, the Special Edition Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List (with exclusive cover), the Special Edition Legiones Astartes Isstvan Campaign Legions (with exclusive cover) and the exclusive The Horus Heresy Illuminations - The Art of the Isstvan Trilogy. Also included is a limited edition numbered certificate and all of these products are presented within a unique slip case, which also has room to fit within it copies of The Horus Heresy Book One – Betrayal and The Horus Heresy Book Two – Massacre (sold separately).
The Horus Heresy Book Three – Extermination The third and final part of the Isstvan trilogy. This book details the aftermath of the Isstvan V Dropsite Massacre, and two other major battles fought between the Loyalist and Traitor Legions as the Horus Heresy swept out from the Isstvan system and into the wider Imperium of Mankind: the Battle of Phall and the Battle of Paramar. Also featured are the background and game rules for the four Legions covered in this book: the Alpha Legion, Imperial Fists, Raven Guard and Iron Warriors, and a Mechanicum army list, plus new campaigns and vehicles.
This lavishly illustrated, full colour, 285 page hardcover book is leather bound with metal corner clasps stamped with the Imperial Aquila and features a red ribbon bookmark and foil edged pages as well as an embossed cover and spine.
Legion Astartes Crusade Army List This contains the collated and updated Legion army list from all three books in the Horus Heresy Isstvan trilogy in one leather bound, 96 page hard back, lightweight and easy to carry book.
Legion Astartes Isstvan Campaign Legions A leather bound, hard cover, 116 page book with rules for specific units and characters for the twelve Legions involved in the battles presented in the Isstvan trilogy.
The Horus Heresy Illuminations - The Art of the Isstvan Trilogy This 56 page book contains our favourite artwork from the Isstvan trilogy, along with a number of unpublished concept drawings. This soft cover book is also housed within its own leather bound slip case and is only available with the Collector's Edition.
There will only be 1,500 copies of The Isstvan Campaign Collector's Edition, each containing a numbered certificate. This set will be available to purchase at the Forge World Open Day. The Isstvan Campaign Collector's Edition will go on general release in the next few weeks.
Not sure if I am reading that right but the limited edition just has different covers? The box with the extra books will still be available once the 1500 sells out.
I'd buy the army list book seperately as well, although there is one book for the Crusade list and a seperately one for all the Legion specific units. I'd love these to be sold by themselves.
And now the Forge World facebook page is gone. Link is dead, and no more reference to it on their website. I guess GW couldn't stand the thought of any of their employees having positive interaction with their customers?
Peregrine wrote: And now the Forge World facebook page is gone. Link is dead, and no more reference to it on their website. I guess GW couldn't stand the thought of any of their employees having positive interaction with their customers?
Oh Throne forbid GW acknowledge it's fanbase as more then wallets with legs
Peregrine wrote: And now the Forge World facebook page is gone. Link is dead, and no more reference to it on their website. I guess GW couldn't stand the thought of any of their employees having positive interaction with their customers?
And Warhammer World, Black Library and Digital Editions.
zedmeister wrote: What's this I see: "Falchion super heavy tank destroyer"
Legion Stormblade too Falchion makes much more sense than mammoth- keeps the CCW theme to Baneblade chassis names. Although if the alternative naming system for SM variants is used (Fellblade, Glaive/Fellglaive), Fellfalchion sounds a bit odd
The language makes it clear that the Crusade list and the Isstvan Campaign thing are Special Edition...which naturally means there will be a Normal edition (makes sense...why make the point of entry to buy an HH army several $100 dollar books). The art thing says Exclusive...which means it won't be available outside of this nice LE.
Which I will try and purchase, hopefully it won't sell out too quickly.
Speaking of, if any Dakkaites are attending the open day and want to hook a brother up and earn some extra spending cash on their own, feel free to PM me.
I think the set looks great, and I'd like to have my hands on it as early as possible. That said, I know shipping to the US sucks.
I so hope those two extra books aren't Limited Edition exclusives. I would be so nice not having to lug both Book 1 and Book three around every time I play say Alpha Legion or Raven Guard
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Enigma Crisis wrote: I so hope those two extra books aren't Limited Edition exclusives. I would be so nice not having to lug both Book 1 and Book three around every time I play say Alpha Legion or Raven Guard
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I have to say it's a a limited edition... that looks actually good.
Enigma Crisis wrote: I so hope those two extra books aren't Limited Edition exclusives. I would be so nice not having to lug both Book 1 and Book three around every time I play say Alpha Legion or Raven Guard
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I got news for you - every time you play Raven Guard, you ARE playing Alpha Legion!
I hear you on that one though... People seem to be leaning toward it not being limited...
Enigma Crisis wrote: I so hope those two extra books aren't Limited Edition exclusives. I would be so nice not having to lug both Book 1 and Book three around every time I play say Alpha Legion or Raven Guard
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I got news for you - every time you play Raven Guard, you ARE playing Alpha Legion!
I hear you on that one though... People seem to be leaning toward it not being limited...
Enigma Crisis wrote: I so hope those two extra books aren't Limited Edition exclusives. I would be so nice not having to lug both Book 1 and Book three around every time I play say Alpha Legion or Raven Guard
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I got news for you - every time you play Raven Guard, you ARE playing Alpha Legion!
Isn't that true no matter which chapter/legion you're playing?
Enigma Crisis wrote: I so hope those two extra books aren't Limited Edition exclusives. I would be so nice not having to lug both Book 1 and Book three around every time I play say Alpha Legion or Raven Guard
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I got news for you - every time you play Raven Guard, you ARE playing Alpha Legion!
I hear you on that one though... People seem to be leaning toward it not being limited...
I think you'll find we are merely lulling you into a false sense of security, Go Go Gadget Space Ninjas!
None of GW's previous LE releases sparked any interest in me.
But this, this I MUST HAVE.
How is it that Forgeworld is able to release bucketloads of awesome that we actually want and are happy to pay wads of cash for, while GW proper just gives us a wet fart in the dark for new stuff that nobody wants to touch with a ten foot pole?
Tannhauser42 wrote: None of GW's previous LE releases sparked any interest in me.
But this, this I MUST HAVE.
How is it that Forgeworld is able to release bucketloads of awesome that we actually want and are happy to pay wads of cash for, while GW proper just gives us a wet fart in the dark for new stuff that nobody wants to touch with a ten foot pole?
I.. I kind of murdered my eyes trying to read all that tiny, low-res text on the Alpha Legion pages in the vid, on the FW homepage, the stuff in the newsflash mail..
It hurt, but I am not dissapointed at what was gleaned. Ohm nomnom nom!
I am not going to survive the wait until it ships in the general release.. I'll just have to get a pdf-version to keep me on life-support until my leatherbound industrial-grade narcotics arrive.
I sure hope Perturabo has his Body guard of robots in this book. Ever since reading Angel Exterminatus I've been wanting to see how they would translate to the ruleset and the miniatures.
I may have to spring for a starter force of them in 30k if they are anything close to what I'm imagining. Plus it seems there are a ton of folks going gaga for Ravens and Alphas and I've always rather have take the road less traveled.
GW main could learn a thing or two about how to make awesome gak players want from FW,
Hey Alpha, d'ya think this new book will contain two key and unique wargear options for the Alpha Legion:
1. Moustache (once per game twirl the moustache to gain re-rolls on everything until the start of your next turn).
2. Baby stapled to forehead (characters only, gives them the Fear special rule).
Tannhauser42 wrote: None of GW's previous LE releases sparked any interest in me.
But this, this I MUST HAVE.
You shouldn’t be surprised in the slightest. GW limited editions are junk – they’re the same book with a dust cover for x2 the price. Is it any wonder that the one part of GW still run by adults is the one part of the company producing high-quality books and meaningful special editions?
I mean I want everything in that bundle. All the HH concept artwork, especially the Mechanicum stuff? Yes please! And how useful is a consolidated army list? Exceptionally, especially if it’s future proof and functions as the standard “Legion Army List” for future HH books (so we don’t need another one once they get done fleshing out the 1KSons, Space Puppies, Ultras, Blood Angels and whoever else is left). And if they can do a “Legion Specialist” books once every trilogy (so the next one covers the unique rules/units for the next three books) that’s even better.
And people say Chaos can’t have Legion rules… God damn it. Just look at what FW are doing people. The template is right fething there!
Tannhauser42 wrote: How is it that Forgeworld is able to release bucketloads of awesome that we actually want and are happy to pay wads of cash for, while GW proper just gives us a wet fart in the dark for new stuff that nobody wants to touch with a ten foot pole?
It comes back to their opposing attitudes.
GW-proper thinks that we’ll buy whatever they make, rather than making what we want to buy. FW, on the other hand, saw an overwhelming demand for Horus Heresy stuff, so made what the people wanted.
Tannhauser42 wrote: None of GW's previous LE releases sparked any interest in me.
But this, this I MUST HAVE.
You shouldn’t be surprised in the slightest. GW limited editions are junk – they’re the same book with a dust cover for x2 the price. Is it any wonder that the one part of GW still run by adults is the one part of the company producing high-quality books and meaningful special editions?
I mean I want everything in that bundle. All the HH concept artwork, especially the Mechanicum stuff? Yes please! And how useful is a consolidated army list? Exceptionally, especially if it’s future proof and functions as the standard “Legion Army List” for future HH books (so we don’t need another one once they get done fleshing out the 1KSons, Space Puppies, Ultras, Blood Angels and whoever else is left). And if they can do a “Legion Specialist” books once every trilogy (so the next one covers the unique rules/units for the next three books) that’s even better.
And people say Chaos can’t have Legion rules… God damn it. Just look at what FW are doing people. The template is right fething there!
Tannhauser42 wrote: How is it that Forgeworld is able to release bucketloads of awesome that we actually want and are happy to pay wads of cash for, while GW proper just gives us a wet fart in the dark for new stuff that nobody wants to touch with a ten foot pole?
It comes back to their opposing attitudes.
GW-proper thinks that we’ll buy whatever they make, rather than making what we want to buy. FW, on the other hand, saw an overwhelming demand for Horus Heresy stuff, so made what the people wanted.
Hopefully the impending merger doesn't affect that, seeing their Facebook page gone - where they interacted with people on a daily basis - is a bad sign, along with no longer accepting feedback/comments on their YT videos
Kanluwen wrote: I wouldn't read too much into having comments/feedback disabled on YouTube videos.
Why not? They used to have them, and in combination with closing all of their social media stuff it's a pretty worrying sign that "core" GW's idiotic policies are going to be applied to all of its divisions.
Kanluwen wrote: I wouldn't read too much into having comments/feedback disabled on YouTube videos.
Why not? They used to have them, and in combination with closing all of their social media stuff it's a pretty worrying sign that "core" GW's idiotic policies are going to be applied to all of its divisions.
They didn't have them on all videos. Some videos allowed commenting, some didn't.
A lot of companies out there disable comments on videos and it's not the end of the world. Not like you really lose much important discussion anyways, given the average relevance of a YouTube comment to the video itself.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Hey Alpha, d'ya think this new book will contain two key and unique wargear options for the Alpha Legion:
1. Moustache (once per game twirl the moustache to gain re-rolls on everything until the start of your next turn).
2. Baby stapled to forehead (characters only, gives them the Fear special rule).
I laughed!
And then I cried, because that's pretty much what the Twentieth Legion has become now!
Kanluwen wrote: A lot of companies out there disable comments on videos and it's not the end of the world. Not like you really lose much important discussion anyways, given the average relevance of a YouTube comment to the video itself.
In isolation, no big deal. But this is happening at the same time they're showing other signs of retreating (or being forced away by the incompetent morons running GW) from the big scary parts of the internet where GW can't have full control over everything.
First0f0ne wrote: I sure hope Perturabo has his Body guard of robots in this book. Ever since reading Angel Exterminatus I've been wanting to see how they would translate to the ruleset and the miniatures.
I may have to spring for a starter force of them in 30k if they are anything close to what I'm imagining. Plus it seems there are a ton of folks going gaga for Ravens and Alphas and I've always rather have take the road less traveled.
I wouldn't say the road less travelled.
There are a HELL of a lot of IW players out there. Many of them retreated after the last 2 editions of CSM. Just cruise Bolter & Chainsword and you will find many of them.
I've got at least a 7k force sitting in a tub all wrapped up. New tanks and artillery from FW are making the IW look pretty sexy again.
I'd run over my grandmother to get the LE set of books. Book 3 is the only thing keeping me sane until the book with the Blood Angels comes out.
It's a nice bonus that my second choice Loyalist chapter (IF) shows up in this book too.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Hey Alpha, d'ya think this new book will contain two key and unique wargear options for the Alpha Legion:
1. Moustache (once per game twirl the moustache to gain re-rolls on everything until the start of your next turn).
2. Baby stapled to forehead (characters only, gives them the Fear special rule).
And then I cried, because that's pretty much what the Twentieth Legion has become now!
To be fair, Alph...they should be whatever you want them to be. You don't have to live and die by what some hack (and a few good) writers continue to fall back on. When I hear some Star Wars fans bickering over what is "canon", I always chuckle. When examining the various fictional aspects of a completely made up universe, it is best to take a step back and ask yourself whether a hierarchy makes sense. And if so, shouldn't YOU control that hierarchy?
In the immortal words of (fictional) Egg Shen...consider it a buffet. Take what you like. Leave the rest.
I'm going to jump in and ask as well - anybody going to the event who is willing to ship the collectors edition stuff to USA, I will pay for your services. Please pm me.
See, these subtle changes worry me. Idle speculation mode:
- could the rumoured website merger and disappearance of social media be the sign of a more radical restructure?
- FW being split up - a GW resins department and a 30k department?
- The FW brand being dropped
- An attempt to force traffic and buyers through the latest plastic releases on the site before reaching old FW stuff.
Of course this is wild guesswork, but the changes we've seen have a certain feel of desperation around them. Unlikely any of it is true but trying to meddle with a successful part of the business is a huge risk for them.
-Discontinuing all of the non-Heresy FW kits, because why make things that don't sell as well as space marines? FW becomes re-branded under the Horus Heresy name, and the social media stuff is shut down in a desperate attempt to avoid the inevitable outrage.
-Discontinuing all of the non-Heresy FW kits, because why make things that don't sell as well as space marines? FW becomes re-branded under the Horus Heresy name, and the social media stuff is shut down in a desperate attempt to avoid the inevitable outrage.
Yep, I know it's far fetched. I was more suggesting that a gw resins department gets set up. They take on old FW kits as well as finecast with the added bonus for gw that they can say they've stopped finecast as well as use this new resins dept to ramp up production of limited edition resin models.
It's recently occurred to me that FW probably runs some of the rest of GW up the wrong way. A plastics kit flops, a middle manager misses targets and then watches 'those mavericks' from FW produce a resin kit that they can't produce fast enough because they have the freedom and agility that the wider business doesn't. Some would probably love to 'bring them to heel' so to speak.
Honestly, it's not. A lot of the FW stuff doesn't sell in huge numbers, so I can imagine some clueless manager deciding to just kill the whole thing to focus on "core products". It would be stupid, obviously, but we're talking about a company that seems to base its business strategy on "think of the most sensible thing to do, and then do the exact opposite".
It's recently occurred to me that FW probably runs some of the rest of GW up the wrong way. A plastics kit flops, a middle manager misses targets and then watches 'those mavericks' from FW produce a resin kit that they can't produce fast enough because they have the freedom and agility that the wider business doesn't. Some would probably love to 'bring them to heel' so to speak.
Yep. GW's various departments are trained to compete with each other. Retail stores compete with other retail stores, "main" GW competes with FW, etc. It would be much simpler to just punish FW than to admit that the main company is utterly broken and start making appropriate changes. Kind of like how GW hates the idea of having successful new ideas because it sets up the expectation that success will continue, so it's better to not make those sales at all.
(And I wish I was kidding about that last part, but I'm not.)
I find the idea that GW competes with itself pretty far-fetched, (just as far fetched as the closure of Forge World, their one unimpeachably successful brand). If this were so they'd produce quality products, instead of the gobshite that comes out of Nottingham.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: I find the idea that GW competes with itself pretty far-fetched, (just as far fetched as the closure of Forge World, their one unimpeachably successful brand). If this were so they'd produce quality products, instead of the gobshite that comes out of Nottingham.
I didn't say they compete effectively. Their competition methods seem to be based more on "undermine the enemy and take those sales for ourselves" than "make a superior product".
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: I find the idea that GW competes with itself pretty far-fetched, (just as far fetched as the closure of Forge World, their one unimpeachably successful brand). If this were so they'd produce quality products, instead of the gobshite that comes out of Nottingham.
While I don't think Forgeworld's closure is likely I could see it being disbanded and folded into GW proper so it is no longer FW who are profitable and growing but GW proper.
As for the idea of GW competing with itself, it's absurd but it does happen. When you place orders via the in store terminals those orders count towards that store's sales, creating an environment where the managers are really pushy about ordering something from the terminal there and then rather than doing it at home. They do have to compete with the online store.
Indeed, it is just wild speculation. I get the feeling that with some of the recent decisions and direction being taken by FW, a Management Consultant type has looked at how FW operates and thinks that merging it with GW main will mean that osmosis of the success of FW will magically transfer to GW. It also allows them to do a huge amount of restructuring trying to make it more "efficient":
- We don't need that many creatives
- We already have a department writing rules - they can take on Imperial Armour. In fact, what's the point of this - Codex's will do...
- Resin production can be consolidated into a single department
- Not aligned with the core business in terms of marketing, delivery and branding - "align it to deliver cost savings!"
Bah, wild guesses. Though any meddling in FW has the potential to put people off
H.B.M.C. wrote: Hey Alpha, d'ya think this new book will contain two key and unique wargear options for the Alpha Legion:
1. Moustache (once per game twirl the moustache to gain re-rolls on everything until the start of your next turn).
2. Baby stapled to forehead (characters only, gives them the Fear special rule).
And then I cried, because that's pretty much what the Twentieth Legion has become now!
To be fair, Alph...they should be whatever you want them to be. You don't have to live and die by what some hack (and a few good) writers continue to fall back on. When I hear some Star Wars fans bickering over what is "canon", I always chuckle. When examining the various fictional aspects of a completely made up universe, it is best to take a step back and ask yourself whether a hierarchy makes sense. And if so, shouldn't YOU control that hierarchy?
In the immortal words of (fictional) Egg Shen...consider it a buffet. Take what you like. Leave the rest.
Fair enough, good advice, and pretty much what I've already done!
Still, it is odd that there's no Effrit Stealth Squads and no Omegon in the book - at least not in the table of contents that I've seen.
Maybe it is just that they weren't present for this series of battles.
Though I'll admit I chuckled at the thought of FW retconning Omegon out of the Horus Heresy background!
Alpharius wrote: Still, it is odd that there's no Effrit Stealth Squads and no Omegon in the book - at least not in the table of contents that I've seen.
Still, it is odd that there's no Effrit Stealth Squads and no Omegon in the book - at least not in the table of contents that I've seen.
Or, it could be that Alpharius has two profiles. He seems to fight differently depending on the day it is
Last year at the HH weekender the comment from the design team was that Alpharius' rules should have your opponents shaking their fists in the air crying "Damn you Alpharius!"
dienekes96 wrote:
Koppo wrote: I may have missed it, but do we have a price for the LE box set of books?
zedmeister wrote: So you kill him only to realise you've killed a bog standard Marine and he appears across the field in striking distance of the objective!
Still, it is odd that there's no Effrit Stealth Squads and no Omegon in the book - at least not in the table of contents that I've seen.
Or, it could be that Alpharius has two profiles. He seems to fight differently depending on the day it is
Last year at the HH weekender the comment from the design team was that Alpharius' rules should have your opponents shaking their fists in the air crying "Damn you Alpharius!"
dienekes96 wrote:
Koppo wrote: I may have missed it, but do we have a price for the LE box set of books?
Cheers, I think £145 well spent and well hidden from the Mrs.
Precisely what I'm doing too, warming the credit card and delivered to work . Just need gen release date so can order before sells out as FW fan boys like me are numerous.
Still, it is odd that there's no Effrit Stealth Squads and no Omegon in the book - at least not in the table of contents that I've seen.
Or, it could be that Alpharius has two profiles. He seems to fight differently depending on the day it is
Last year at the HH weekender the comment from the design team was that Alpharius' rules should have your opponents shaking their fists in the air crying "Damn you Alpharius!"
dienekes96 wrote:
Koppo wrote: I may have missed it, but do we have a price for the LE box set of books?
Cheers, I think £145 well spent and well hidden from the Mrs.
Precisely what I'm doing too, warming the credit card and delivered to work . Just need gen release date so can order before sells out as FW fan boys like me are numerous.
Hopefully they give a hint to people at the open day, otherwise I'm going to have to camp the new release window constantly!
I have a feeling the 1,500 limited on the collectors edition may be a little small. This isn't a feckless GW limited edition, but a proper FW one with a full book of content. Quite a lot more people will want one!
I want to 2 smaller books (the Legion specific book & the general army book).
If I know these were coming out I would probably wouldn't have got the first 2 & got 30K minis instead :(.
Hopefully FW will sell these separately & for about £30 - 35 each.
zedmeister wrote: I have a feeling the 1,500 limited on the collectors edition may be a little small. This isn't a feckless GW limited edition, but a proper FW one with a full book of content. Quite a lot more people will want one!
It will sell faster than the 1000 shield generators.
zedmeister wrote: I have a feeling the 1,500 limited on the collectors edition may be a little small. This isn't a feckless GW limited edition, but a proper FW one with a full book of content. Quite a lot more people will want one!
It will sell faster than the 1000 shield generators.
zedmeister wrote: I have a feeling the 1,500 limited on the collectors edition may be a little small. This isn't a feckless GW limited edition, but a proper FW one with a full book of content. Quite a lot more people will want one!
It will sell faster than the 1000 shield generators.
The shield generators sold out in 6 minutes...
I expect 2.5 minutes for the FW books.
Either that or the website will crash and the phones will be jammed...
I will try this too,,,if there is anyone going at the event this weekend that is willing to buy it for me, then email me and we can discuss about what to do!!
"-The Falchion uses a potent weapon which combines technologies fielded in the Fellblade and the Shadowsword super-heavy tank. The Falchion’s twin-mounted Volcano cannon is one of the most powerful vehicle-mounted, anti-tank weapons in the Imperium’s arsenal and it requires such an investment in resources to construct just a single example that its use is limited to the Legiones Astartes. Even then, the Falchion is so rare that most Legions maintain but a handful, reserved for use against the largest of enemy war machines.
The Falchion was developed long before the outbreak of the Horus Heresy and as such its prey was not the enemy Titans it would later see such extensive combat against. As the Great Crusade expanded ever outward, the Expeditionary fleets encountered a staggering array of foes, some of whom were of a truly gargantuan scale, but all were set to ravening flame by the touch of the Falchion’s Volcano cannon."
"-In a galaxy where conflict is commonplace, Imperial architecture is often by necessity fortified against possible attack. Should the Alien, the Traitor or the Heretic attempt to assault an Imperial world, more often than not it is the great cities of humanity that become battlegrounds. Large industrial facilities are transformed into key objectives, with generatorum nexus' becoming vital sources of power and manufactorum sectors providing much-needed supplies or raw materials.
Forge World scenery designer Blake Spence has created two new modular Realm of Battle Cityscape tiles. Each is light weight and durable thanks to the hollow resin method we use, and each tile measures 2' x 2' (610 mm x 610 mm).
A limited quantity of both the Realm of Battle Generatorum Nexus tile and the Realm of Battle Manufactorum Sector tile will be available to purchase at the Forge World Open Day this Sunday. Both tiles will go on general release in the next few weeks."
kronk wrote: It's a pretty tank, but I'm getting all of the Space Marine mini-super-heavy tanks confused!
I'll probably have my own names for them. "This is Super heavy Tank #1 and this is Super heavy Tank #2....oh and this is the awesome Super heavy Flyer shooting type and this is the Transport type."
Fudge. Only 1500 of the HH3 SE? The regular sale being "sometime in the next few weeks?" So basically, It'll sell out while we're sleeping or at work or summat. Bah.
Azazelx wrote: Fudge. Only 1500 of the HH3 SE? The regular sale being "sometime in the next few weeks?" So basically, It'll sell out while we're sleeping or at work or summat. Bah.
What's the minimum order for free shipping again?
Tell me about it. 1500 copies isn't going to last long
Azazelx wrote: Fudge. Only 1500 of the HH3 SE? The regular sale being "sometime in the next few weeks?" So basically, It'll sell out while we're sleeping or at work or summat. Bah.
What's the minimum order for free shipping again?
$400 USD I believe.
The set would be right around $240, but I was told there would be no math.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: I find the idea that GW competes with itself pretty far-fetched, (just as far fetched as the closure of Forge World, their one unimpeachably successful brand). If this were so they'd produce quality products, instead of the gobshite that comes out of Nottingham.
Happens all the time in retail business. Different stores and departments compete against each other- high sellers/producers get more interesting toys and products were ones that don't. Our department is getting a remodel at our stores while others in the district aren't. We're one of only 2 stores in the district getting a certain display.
2008: Marine Players are buying Guard Baneblades and painting them in Marine colors! That's not right!
2014: Marine Fellblades and variants are so cool looking! I'm going to add one to my guard force and paint it in guard colors!
Those resin tracks and track-wheels scare the crap out of me. Has anyone bought a Fellblade (or something of similar scale)? Are the tracks are crappy as the old resin Baneblade?
Azazelx wrote: Fudge. Only 1500 of the HH3 SE? The regular sale being "sometime in the next few weeks?" So basically, It'll sell out while we're sleeping or at work or summat. Bah.
What's the minimum order for free shipping again?
$400 USD I believe.
The set would be right around $240, but I was told there would be no math.
Couldn't find a l;ink on their site, but google took me right there.
Any order totaling £250.00 or more receive free shipping and a free upgrade to our Express service. This offer applies to any order to any country in the world.
So, just shy of AU$500 at the moment. And it means I'll have to work out another £100 worth of books and models and stuff to grab at the same time.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Those resin tracks and track-wheels scare the crap out of me. Has anyone bought a Fellblade (or something of similar scale)? Are the tracks are crappy as the old resin Baneblade?
From what I undetand you get the plastic sprue to build the bottom hull, use the plastic wheel assmbly. Then all your resin goodness goes around it.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Those resin tracks and track-wheels scare the crap out of me. Has anyone bought a Fellblade (or something of similar scale)? Are the tracks are crappy as the old resin Baneblade?
I don't know about the old resin Baneblade, but I've put together two Fellblades. The tracks are mostly fine, except the front-most section has to be glued on and isn't well supported without some effort.
I've seen some horror stories posted in P&M regarding those treads on the Land Raider variants. I'd be wary dropping cash if it's something that I'd need to fix myself or send back.
Pre-ordered a good number of those Night Lord heads. Can't wait for them to arrive and get some present day traitors on the go!
gtjormungand wrote: I don't know about the old resin Baneblade, but I've put together two Fellblades. The tracks are mostly fine, except the front-most section has to be glued on and isn't well supported without some effort.
On the old resin Baneblade each of the track wheels was a separate part that had to be glued on, and then the tracks glued onto those track wheels. The tracks didn't cover the spans between track wheels, and that's assuming you could even get anything on straight what with the warping and the massive chunks of flash that you had to remove with clippers and grind away. I ended up using a hacksaw to get through the excess resin on those things.
H.B.M.C. wrote: On the old resin Baneblade each of the track wheels was a separate part that had to be glued on, and then the tracks glued onto those track wheels. The tracks didn't cover the spans between track wheels, and that's assuming you could even get anything on straight what with the warping and the massive chunks of flash that you had to remove with clippers and grind away. I ended up using a hacksaw to get through the excess resin on those things.
Must be a mold wear or quality control thing. My Shadowsword (#98) has tracks that fit just fine, my Malcador was much worse. At least the Baneblade/Fellblade/etc have tracks that extend up into the hull so you can't see if they aren't quite the right length on the end, instead of the Malcador's brilliant idea of having the end of the tracks be right out in the open where any mismatch is painfully obvious.
Seriously, that kit. I love how it looks, but I will never build another one that doesn't have the Valdor-style track guards.
H.B.M.C. wrote: This is why I like the Macharius. There's exactly 1 track piece to stick on - at the back. The tracks are moulded right onto the sides of the tank.
Of course they make up for the ease of assembly by being so fragile and on such a heavy piece that it's virtually impossible to get one that doesn't chip off a few track bits in shipping. TBH I like the Shadowsword-style tracks with the more realistic suspension wheels, it just needs decent quality control.
Though, as for the original question, the Fellblade variants shouldn't be as bad as the Land Raiders. The biggest problem with those is that the entire length of the tracks is exposed, so even a slight size problem is going to be immediately obvious. If you wrap the tracks around the hull and find that the ends are half a track length too short to meet up properly you're screwed. If you don't do a lot of obnoxious re-sizing and gap filling you're going to end up with a visible gap. With the Fellblade you can fudge it a bit since the tracks end inside the hull piece and any slight variations in length won't be obvious as long as you can still wrap them around the wheels properly.
kronk wrote: It's a pretty tank, but I'm getting all of the Space Marine mini-super-heavy tanks confused!
I'm with you here, I like the chassis but the number of variants with tiny differences is getting boring. That new mechanicum tank looks awesome though.
So it seems the well of BL/HH open day shoppers has run dry. Boo! Anyway, moving on, tank looks awesome, but I think I still prefer the glaive, I just don't think that top gun mount is curvy enough for a marine vehicle
Of course, that is coming from someone who is waiting for Sanguinius to lead his first ever 
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that kit. I love how it looks, but I will never build another one that doesn't have the Valdor-style track guards.
