I have a whole bunch of Star Wars maps (both the official ones from the WotC miniatures game / RPG and the unofficial ones from ArmoredCartographer / Adventurer's Atlas etc) and while they are really, really great, I'm not sure I'd want to use them for Infinity because there are too many corridors, doorways and chokepoints (like moving between a chair and a wall) that are 1 square wide. Apart from the implications of using a grid in the first place, this would be a real problem for TAGs and remotes (though not an issue for the models in the O:I box).
Personally I think the AT-43 tiles are really good if you want a 2D surface to play on although I appreciate that they aren't all that easy to find..
Alkasyn wrote: Btw, I'll be at the Interplanetary, and I will try to give you the news from the event, if someone esle doesn't do it before. It's just that my net access is limited in Spain.
Most excellent. BoW is supposed to have coverage, but they take their time posting it.
The book contents are described on the Spanish site. Since I am a nice guy most of the time, a translation of sorts... It is 64 pages, 32 in English, 32 in Spanish. It includes a short guide to the Infinity universe, 5 tutorial missions, backgrounds and profiles for all the miniatures included-- including the 3 new profiles-- and the rules to play them. And advice on how to get deeper into the game. By way of comparison, the complete ruleset dowload is 57 pages. And this book will have art as well as the background material, so who knows how complete it will be. It will have Camo and Airborne deployment rules.
Alkasyn wrote: Btw, I'll be at the Interplanetary, and I will try to give you the news from the event, if someone esle doesn't do it before. It's just that my net access is limited in Spain.
Is the play mat really paper? How big is it? (4x4 i assume)
Has anyone seen the scenery pieces? What kind of scenery is it?
I'll still get it just for the Nomads, but how substantial is the other stuff in this box?
you'll know Saturday or Sunday at the latest. I probably won't be able to upload my pictures until I arrive at my girlfriend's in Berlin, which means Wednesday, but I'm sure someone will post pictires by then.
Is the play mat really paper? How big is it? (4x4 i assume)
Has anyone seen the scenery pieces? What kind of scenery is it?
I'll still get it just for the Nomads, but how substantial is the other stuff in this box?
you'll know Saturday or Sunday at the latest. I probably won't be able to upload my pictures until I arrive at my girlfriend's in Berlin, which means Wednesday, but I'm sure someone will post pictires by then.
Siygess wrote: I have a whole bunch of Star Wars maps (both the official ones from the WotC miniatures game / RPG and the unofficial ones from ArmoredCartographer / Adventurer's Atlas etc) and while they are really, really great, I'm not sure I'd want to use them for Infinity because there are too many corridors, doorways and chokepoints (like moving between a chair and a wall) that are 1 square wide. Apart from the implications of using a grid in the first place, this would be a real problem for TAGs and remotes (though not an issue for the models in the O:I box).
That's one of the reasons I find boarding actions and the like interesting. Chokepoints and nasty kill-corridors are the exact opposite of the issues one runs into on very open Infinity tables. Makes for a nice change.
Big things can only fit in certain areas, especially with the new 55mm bases. This gives infantry an advantage, and HI is really king in claustrophobic areas. It also makes the Geckos really better at boarding actions and fits their fluff well.
Personally I think the AT-43 tiles are really good if you want a 2D surface to play on although I appreciate that they aren't all that easy to find..
Oh, really? I'm going to have to find a set of those. Thanks for the recommendation!
I'm going to have to do some investigating with the infinity rules and my incoming battle systems terrain, it has these corridors and chokepoints of which are spoken.
GrimDork wrote: I'm going to have to do some investigating with the infinity rules and my incoming battle systems terrain, it has these corridors and chokepoints of which are spoken.
You might find some rules that IJW came up with interesting (many props to him for these). Boarding action rules are on the second page. Great rules for doors, E/M weapons and hacking etc. through walls, etc. I've used these in about 10 boarding actions. The only change I would make is to have doors be hackable remotely (the rules say only in base contact). Makes things more interesting to let them be hacked from 8" away.
Anyways, see the pdf attached to this post.
I had an amazing fight against DeflaterMouse in some tunnels represented by Space Hulk corridors, using these rules for the doors. Got a Crane Agent-led kill Celestial Guard team into the corridors, thought I would pwn. Bastard locked me out of the objective room, then hacked my Crane Agent's power armor to immobilize him, then hunted down and executed all the Celestial Guard. But that shiz was -cinematic-. Which is why boarding actions, though bloody, are super fun.
Man, I would lose all spending control (and lots of Monday nights) if Acheron Falls included rules for boarding actions and zero-G combat.
I'll have to take a look at those then. It would be kind of amusing to hack a power armor inside a door frame, such that nobody could reasonably squeeze past... especially if you took out their engineer already
Knight wrote: Hopefully a swift repack of Fusiliers shall follow. The only thing I need to finish my collection.
I read that all the models save the exclusives (Father Officer and the Healer) will "eventually" be released outside the box. I wouldn't count on that being this year.
Knight wrote: Hopefully a swift repack of Fusiliers shall follow. The only thing I need to finish my collection.
I read that all the models save the exclusives (Father Officer and the Healer) will "eventually" be released outside the box. I wouldn't count on that being this year.
Yes, they will become the new non-sectional starter for their faction.
Knight wrote: Then are we looking at nothing new for PanO until N3?
I'd expect to see more miniatures of the existing units of the box (O:I). For example, if it comes with 3 fusiliers with combi rifle, I'd expect a box of 4 fusiliers with more weapons. It's the trend that CB is following due to the 3d sculpting. The bodies are sculpted, you just have to change the weapon and repose.
Knight wrote: Hopefully a swift repack of Fusiliers shall follow. The only thing I need to finish my collection.
I read that all the models save the exclusives (Father Officer and the Healer) will "eventually" be released outside the box. I wouldn't count on that being this year.
Knight wrote: Then are we looking at nothing new for PanO until N3?
The information given was that we would get the boxes a few months after Icestorm released. So I'd guess November, or December at the latest, in all probability. We are supposedly getting N3 before January too, so they may release in the same month. I bet they would like to release N3 in time for Christmas, which means that in order to be available here in the states, they would announce the release in October, since there is always that 1 month lag for the US.
I think the Fusiliers will follow the pattern set by the bolts too, althoug no idea if a limited time 3pack of the Fusiliers will be available, like with the bolts. I bet that is the plan for all LI. Speaking of which, whither the Ghulam box?
I personally don't see the Fusiliers going the route Bolts went with a separate 3 model blister. They did that because the other half of the Neoterra starter were repacks. A better example is the new Vanguard, which were in a completely new starter, which did not get a 3 model blister.
-Loki- wrote: I personally don't see the Fusiliers going the route Bolts went with a separate 3 model blister. They did that because the other half of the Neoterra starter were repacks. A better example is the new Vanguard, which were in a completely new starter, which did not get a 3 model blister.
The new MAF and CJC starters did not have separate blisters because everything was completely new...but that does not necessarily mean that Bolts will not get a 3 model blister before the "new" PanO starter comes out. Same goes for Alguaciles and Nomads...
And quite frankly Mobile Brigada BETTER get a boxed set of their own.
-Loki- wrote: I personally don't see the Fusiliers going the route Bolts went with a separate 3 model blister. They did that because the other half of the Neoterra starter were repacks. A better example is the new Vanguard, which were in a completely new starter, which did not get a 3 model blister.
The new MAF and CJC starters did not have separate blisters because everything was completely new...but that does not necessarily mean that Bolts will not get a 3 model blister before the "new" PanO starter comes out. Same goes for Alguaciles and Nomads...
-Loki- wrote: I personally don't see the Fusiliers going the route Bolts went with a separate 3 model blister. They did that because the other half of the Neoterra starter were repacks. A better example is the new Vanguard, which were in a completely new starter, which did not get a 3 model blister.
The new MAF and CJC starters did not have separate blisters because everything was completely new...but that does not necessarily mean that Bolts will not get a 3 model blister before the "new" PanO starter comes out. Same goes for Alguaciles and Nomads...
And quite frankly Mobile Brigada BETTER get a boxed set of their own.
So you're precedent for expecting them to get 3 model blisters is the precedent set for not doing 3 model blisters?
I think you're just being contrary to be contrary these days.
Bolts got 3 3 model blister because the other half of the set were repacks. Vanguards did not, because the entire MAF starter was new. The entire new starters for PanO and Nomads are new, like the MAF starter. Recent events indicate Fusiliers and Alguaciles won't get 3 model blisters.
Brigada getting a box of their own is practically a certainty these days. They're linkable right? There will be a box to fill out a link using the model in that starter for Corregidor players, using the 3D sculpts to quickly create the models.
-Loki- wrote: I personally don't see the Fusiliers going the route Bolts went with a separate 3 model blister. They did that because the other half of the Neoterra starter were repacks. A better example is the new Vanguard, which were in a completely new starter, which did not get a 3 model blister.
The new MAF and CJC starters did not have separate blisters because everything was completely new...but that does not necessarily mean that Bolts will not get a 3 model blister before the "new" PanO starter comes out. Same goes for Alguaciles and Nomads...
I think you mean Fusiliers here?
I absolutely did...but then the power went out before I could fix it.
So your precedent for expecting them to get 3 model blisters is the precedent set for not doing 3 model blisters?
My point is that in regards to the NeoTerran set, you were looking at perfectly serviceable and relatively "new" sculpts that were blended with the brand new sculpts.
With CJC and MAF, you were looking at entire redesigns of the ranges to the point where the preexisting stuff looks like it comes from a different game entirely.
I think you're just being contrary to be contrary these days.
Bolts got 3 3 model blister because the other half of the set were repacks. Vanguards did not, because the entire MAF starter was new. The entire new starters for PanO and Nomads are new, like the MAF starter. Recent events indicate Fusiliers and Alguaciles won't get 3 model blisters.
Well, the actual reason that I was told in regards to why Bolts got a 3 model blister versus the Wildcats or Vanguard is because Bolts fit into a lot more than simply NeoTerra in large numbers.
Now the same argument could be made for Vanguard, but apparently they are trying to push for more variety than simply "Morats are the CA line troops".
Brigada getting a box of their own is practically a certainty these days. They're linkable right? There will be a box to fill out a link using the model in that starter for Corregidor players, using the 3D sculpts to quickly create the models.
There are 3 profiles(with a 4th profile as Lieutenant but sharing the same MULTI Rifle build as the 'basic' MB) currently. They are AVA5 or 6(Army Builder is not loading properly right at the moment and I don't trust Campaign: Paradiso at the moment) in Corregidor. There is no "box to fill out a link using the model in that starter" like they have been touting as their new plan. Either they're just going to repackage the MB from Icestorm or they're going to make a new, fourth sculpt and give it the generic "pewpew pointing" pose.
Surely the ''pewpew pointing'' pose is a good thing, i mean at least one guy should be taking himself seriously and aiming down the sights instead of pulling a dynamic ginyu force pose, right? Not that those aren't fun...
GrimDork wrote: Surely the ''pewpew pointing'' pose is a good thing, i mean at least one guy should be taking himself seriously and aiming down the sights instead of pulling a dynamic ginyu force pose, right? Not that those aren't fun...
To give an example of the "pewpew pointing pose", look at the Briscard box. You have one model purposely given nothing but the Assault Pistol so that he can be a proxy.
Beasts of War have said they have a 'big surprise' reveal today, and by that they mean Operation Icestorm. So, possibly pics of the contents coming today? (Is that too much to hope for?!)
In the meantime, a pic of Tabitha Lyons cosplay-Spitfire from BoW
I used to be extremely disappointed with Operation Icestorm because they decline to start using styrene for it, but now you get also those extras with it I guess it's a great pack.
But I guess that's what happens when you treat news delivery like a marathon rather than a sprint. When you pace yourself.. you aren't always.. going to be... first.
But I guess that's what happens when you treat news delivery like a marathon rather than a sprint. When you pace yourself.. you aren't always.. going to be... first.
Well I have an hour commute back home here soon, so you got a good hour window if BoW decides to post something to beat me to posting it
Kanluwen wrote: It has nothing to do with them "treating news delivery" or any such nonsense.
Corvus Belli apparently gave them a time to release it. BoW has not met it.
But hey that's what happens when you let a bunch of third parties control your entire marketing strategy.
As they say on the internet, pics or it didn't happen. All I see is a message from CB saying it will be today, and a bunch of people whining because they configured their anticipation wave to peak at a very specific interpretation of when 'today' is and since they peaked too soon, their excitement has been dashed upon the shores of angsty impatience. Or.. something.
I'll be disappointed if BoW come up with some excuse about how it crashed half way through the upload and they had to start again etc.. real "dog ate my homework" stuff. But I'm in the same timezone as BoW and for me it's still very much today.
As they say on the internet, pics or it didn't happen. All I see is a message from CB saying it will be today, and a bunch of people whining because they configured their anticipation wave to peak at a very specific interpretation of when 'today' is and since they peaked too soon, their excitement has been dashed upon the shores of angsty impatience. Or.. something.
Well, you could take a peek at CB's Facebook page or Twitter where they keep posting about increasingly blatant posts that reference the fact that "still no Icestorm".
The video for Icestorm? It's been filmed for weeks now. It just would have needed to be enabled/uploaded.
Kanluwen wrote: The video for Icestorm? It's been filmed for weeks now. It just would have needed to be enabled/uploaded.
I know, which is why I will have a pouty face if BoW come up with an excuse like that. It should be sitting on their servers now, renamed to "WarrernsHolidayPhotos.zip" and just waiting for Justin to rename it
everybody keeps asking for diagonal roads for infinity boards in all the mat threads,
but here we have an official (if paper) mat and it has straight roads (with buildings used to block fire lanes)
EDIT: genuinely puzzled as I had begun to think diagonal roads might be in the Infinity rules
It's mostly because straight roads tend to create fire lanes that Snipers/HMGs dominate. Get your guy there first and you've essentially zoned out a large section of the board.
Diagonals alleviate that problem by these fire lanes not being across the entire map. Crashed cars and various street debris also works.
everybody keeps asking for diagonal roads for infinity boards in all the mat threads,
but here we have an official (if paper) mat and it has straight roads (with buildings used to block fire lanes)
EDIT: genuinely puzzled as I had begun to think diagonal roads might be in the Infinity rules
Ha!
1) Yeah, I'd like diagonal roads better...
Have you seen this one by Micro Art Studio?:
2) It is a 'paper mat', whatever that means. I'll use it for a bit, but it almost counts as a 'throw in', and I'm not too worried about it. Now, if I were paying for a higher quality mat, then yes, I'd 'like' for it to have diagonal roads...
HudsonD wrote: Sweet unmerciful Emperor on a pogo stick !
That's how you do starters.
Don't be ridiculous. The best way is to include one illegal half sized squad of figures that no one ever uses in the full game because they suck so bad for each side along with the rules and nothing else. THAT is how you create a starter! Not.
I like the Spektr and I love the Mobile Brigada. Revising the look to make it a mini-Gecko was a really smart move and now they have moved up my list from "I wouldn't touch that **** if they paid me" to something that I would be happy to have as the core of a Corregidor list.
Edit: Liking the new Alguaciles too, AND the new Fusiliers! So far this box is looking pretty awesome!
Is it my imagination, or is gap between the female and male troops widening? I guess it was there with the Bolts, too (not to mention the whole 'smaller gun' thing) but the male Fusiliers in particular look particularly bad ass while the female version looks like a woman cosplaying as a Fusilier. I suppose it isn't helped by the fact that neither of the female line infantry are in a combat pose.
This is the moment is where I part ways with Infinity. I'm simply not liking the new art direction they went with PanO, I was worried it'll come to this after seeing the interview.
And has immediately jumped to- "Mouth frothing psycho fanboy."
Especially that Nisse! Good lawd! If this is what we can expect from the Svarlheim troops in the future I'm super on board. And that Spektr and the new G unit guy... whew...
but uberly cool models!
i think i will go on with my all female converted army with proper proportionate mini until i find another sci fy mini game ...
Love the models. Also in regards to some of the points made here is my take- the "rocks" are metal and in the two of the cases it appears to be the carcass of some sort of nomad/pano unit. To me thats pretty bada** that the unit is literally walking over the remains of a unit it just destroyed. Pretty powerful imagery. Also yes the Pan-O female looks a bit silly but honestly for the Nomad female if you lined up the 3 of the line troops I would assume shes in charge as she seems to be pointing to where the two guys are shooting, so I see it more as a commanding pose then a fighting pose but hey you need multiple poses for the line-troops. I also actually like the Nomad shoulders but that's just my preference. Either way, I just want to pre-order it now!
yeah I felt I should be a bit more civil, don't need to mirror what is going on over at CBs forums.
Thank you sir.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Mildly puzzled, everybody keeps asking for diagonal roads for infinity boards in all the mat threads, but here we have an official (if paper) mat and it has straight roads (with buildings used to block fire lanes)
EDIT: genuinely puzzled as I had begun to think diagonal roads might be in the Infinity rules
Both work in Infinity. Some players believe that diagonal roads are inherently better for LoF blocking. Generally, the solution to better LoF blocking is better terrain placement. And judicious use of scatter pieces. The solution to make all happy is a 2 sided mat, diagonal on one side, straight on the other.
Man oh Man! Those nomads are great. My QK will be very happy to welcome that Mobile Brigada. Pan-O is mixed. I like the old Akalis helmet better. The Nisse is standing on a briefcase and such a nice sculpt. Lady Fusilier (and Alguacila) hacker proxies? Othewise nice sculpts, not so good poses. all IMHOBTW. The ORC pose reminds me of the Cutter's. Lol.
Overall, outstanding stuff. It looks like an excellent starter. I see the silhouette LoF template is included. (It'll be a new N3 rule) Now to figure out where and whether to pre-order, or spend the extra $$$ and ask my GenCon Ninja to get it.
So it looks like they've changed the way they do combi rifles for nomads then? Those guns don't look anything like the combi rifles my guys have... I mean, that's a good thing probably... those are scaled better, smaller and what-not. So even the spektr has a combi, huh. What do we think it is that the mobile brigada has, it looks different.
The terrain looks extremely playable, and I am impressed with the amount for the starter. If it's flimsy, we can always build a box out of foamcore board and use the box terrain as a skin for that...
I like the panO stuff way more than I thought i would too! Though I have to agree with earlier sentiments... the female fusileer is pretty gimp compared to the two dudes, they've got more gear, beefier armor, and look way more like soldiers.. she looks like she's making a fashion statement and found a gun laying around with which to accessorize.
The female alguacile is a bit better, still shrimpy, but her kit isn't missing as many pieces like her pan-o counterpart.
I'm a bit disappointed in terrains. All of them are nice but kind of too bright and colourful for my taste. The models on the other hand are just pure awesomeness.
Knight wrote: This is the moment is where I part ways with Infinity. I'm simply not liking the new art direction they went with PanO, I was worried it'll come to this after seeing the interview.
I know where you are coming from. Infinity seems to be shuffling away from its anime roots and more towards a European sci-fi style.
@Siygess I noticed the gender gap too. Not just the model count, but the two line troopers that are female are both posing. Come on CB!
Knight wrote: This is the moment is where I part ways with Infinity. I'm simply not liking the new art direction they went with PanO, I was worried it'll come to this after seeing the interview.
I know where you are coming from. Infinity seems to be shuffling away from its anime roots and more towards a European sci-fi style.
@Siygess I noticed the gender gap too. Not just the model count, but the two line troopers that are female are both posing. Come on CB!
Noticed the trend in models for a while, but the 2D art has stayed closer to anime roots. I was going to blame lazy CG sculptors since I know anime styling can be done in CG sculpted miniatures. But now the 2D art is abandoning the anime aesthetic... ~sigh~
Noticed the trend in models for a while, but the 2D art has stayed closer to anime roots. I was going to blame lazy CG sculptors since I know anime styling can be done in CG sculpted miniatures. But now the 2D art is abandoning the anime aesthetic... ~sigh~
Iain.
I think that's just the mini-rulebook cover. The main box cover is not far off the last books in terms of artwork. (I did prefer HS to Paradiso though, and HS looked kind of a like an old movie poster too).
I think there was a change from the really early stuff already in HS and Paradiso though, but going more to a 'modern GITS' as opposed to an earlier style.
its recent: the gak started with Stephan Rao, 6 month ago ?
they clearly want to grab USA people with comics aesthetics: bodybuilder and pinups
i'm not a huge fan of manga either but the genre difference (male/female) makes all this laughable;
I miss the order sergent perfection era
Sangarn wrote: its recent: the gak started with Stephan Rao, 6 month ago ?
they clearly want to grab USA people with comics aesthetics: bodybuilder and pinups
i'm not a huge fan of manga either but the genre difference (male/female) makes all this laughable;
I miss the order sergent perfection era
But nothing that massive conversion could solve
Something more recent than Dire Foes then I guess? I thought the animesque aesthetic was quite in effect for the Dire Foes boxes.
Sangarn wrote: its recent: the gak started with Stephan Rao, 6 month ago ?
they clearly want to grab USA people with comics aesthetics: bodybuilder and pinups
i'm not a huge fan of manga either but the genre difference (male/female) makes all this laughable;
I miss the order sergent perfection era
But nothing that massive conversion could solve
Oh please. The pinups were in long before now. Pretending that it is something new is disingenuous.
And no, the "gak" did not start with Stephen Rao. It has been happening off and on since Human Sphere which was years ago. The only difference is that it was generally being reserved for things like special characters.
Sangarn wrote: body builder male
silly pin up female ...
overly silly boob plate for the Pano fusilier
but uberly cool models!
i think i will go on with my all female converted army with proper proportionate mini until i find another sci fy mini game ...
Technically excellent sculpts, certainly amongst the best available, but the anime aesthetic leaves me cold and the overly sexualised female models does nothing to endear them to me either. I would like to start Infinity but I can't see it ever happening.
The mat is rather pants really, it's basically a poster - it's basically the Dropzone Commander mats than something proper like say, Deadzone's. At least Dropzone doesn't really sell it as more than a guide (heck, they even say 'hey there's a poster on the other side).
The terrain at least, is roughly analogous to Dropzones. So no complaints there.
However, at the moment, I'm talking about 15 minis for £75 (Or £60 from wayland, maybe, assuming they still have the exclusive mini and add in shipping too).
And I don't quite know yet if the rulebook is going to be in Spanglish or English... And it's just an introductory book according to Waylands list and the earlier chat on the thread.
In saying that, I do kinda like the minis. Do I like the minis for £4 each...I uh, dunno.
Also, if I'm looking for the convention minis (bike lady and cosplay lady) too, aren't they only available from Corvus Belli's site, in Euros, as opposed to £ UK.
I can't help but get the feeling that this game isn't for me.
The mat is rather pants really, it's basically a poster - it's basically the Dropzone Commander mats than something proper like say, Deadzone's. At least Dropzone doesn't really sell it as more than a guide (heck, they even say 'hey there's a poster on the other side).
The terrain at least, is roughly analogous to Dropzones. So no complaints there.
However, at the moment, I'm talking about 15 minis for £75 (Or £60 from wayland, maybe, assuming they still have the exclusive mini and add in shipping too).
And I don't quite know yet if the rulebook is going to be in Spanglish or English... And it's just an introductory book according to Waylands list and the earlier chat on the thread.
In saying that, I do kinda like the minis. Do I like the minis for £4 each...I uh, dunno.
Also, if I'm looking for the convention minis (bike lady and cosplay lady) too, aren't they only available from Corvus Belli's site, in Euros, as opposed to £ UK.
I can't help but get the feeling that this game isn't for me.
Game is great but the starter set does not seem so, yeah the minis look good but everything else looks meah and only starter rules is making this a miss for me (Hawk Wargames starter set for DZC is still the best out there im afraid, you even get a full rulebook!).
Sangarn wrote: its recent: the gak started with Stephan Rao, 6 month ago ?
they clearly want to grab USA people with comics aesthetics: bodybuilder and pinups
i'm not a huge fan of manga either but the genre difference (male/female) makes all this laughable;
I miss the order sergent perfection era
But nothing that massive conversion could solve
Oh please. The pinups were in long before now. Pretending that it is something new is disingenuous.
And no, the "gak" did not start with Stephen Rao. It has been happening off and on since Human Sphere which was years ago. The only difference is that it was generally being reserved for things like special characters.
you cut half of my sentence, body builder male start with stephan Rao and before that: pin up female were not 100% but a small portion of the release.
the new art direction is putting female to an object stupid state, before that they where soldiers like the others (exemplesrder sergents perfection, again; all ALEPH early release -naga dasyu etc..)
the human sphere release is for me the best that infinity have made.
Anyway, enjoy operation icestorm, it's rocks, even if it's far from being perfect to my eyes, i'm still buying one :p
Rule book is in English on one side Spanish the other. Like product guides are here in the US ( or English and French if they are from//going to Canada)
Looking at the female Alguacil again, I can imagine a hacker holo at her fingertip quite easily. I can also see her as an Lt model-- pointing at someplace and barking out an order, "You over there. Lay down some suppression fire!" I cannot say the same for the female Fusilier. The classic "Yes!" pose is quite out of place.
I think the MB wins this one. But that ORC is close.
Any clue when Miniature Market will have it for pre-order?
overtyrant wrote: (Hawk Wargames starter set for DZC is still the best out there im afraid, you even get a full rulebook!).
So you'd rather be forced to pay for something they're giving away for free?
Putting the full rulebook in would have pushed the price up more. The quickstart rules let people get into the game, then go download the full rules when they want to, or buy it if they wish.
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MRPYM wrote: After getting over my fanboy reaction and looked at the models again, do the MI and HI models seem overly big/out of scale?
Or is it just me?
The Father Knight does, almost like they were channeling Ajax/Tarik. The others look along the lines of current sculpts.
Noticed the trend in models for a while, but the 2D art has stayed closer to anime roots. I was going to blame lazy CG sculptors since I know anime styling can be done in CG sculpted miniatures. But now the 2D art is abandoning the anime aesthetic... ~sigh~
Iain.
You must be new if you think Kan was talking about the art work and not the so called cheesecake models.
Compel wrote:I'm watching the BOW video now.
The mat is rather pants really, it's basically a poster - it's basically the Dropzone Commander mats than something proper like say, Deadzone's. At least Dropzone doesn't really sell it as more than a guide (heck, they even say 'hey there's a poster on the other side).
What did you expect from the price, a 40+ MAS mat? No really did people really think it wasn't going to be a paper mat? I would be surprised if the markers (not templetes) aren't per-cut out from the same stuff they make their boxes out of.
Anyways, love the starter just need to see who going to buy the PanO off me.
MRPYM wrote: After getting over my fanboy reaction and looked at the models again, do the MI and HI models seem overly big/out of scale?
They're definitely larger than previous HI. My JSA samurai look pretty shrimpy by comparison, but then again they're supposed to be nimble & deadly.
Keep in mind that the HI in this starter are among the slowest & toughest types for these two factions
Compare these new HI to new Morats, Iguana Pilot, Ectros ... they look about right for where infinity has been heading.
MRPYM wrote: After getting over my fanboy reaction and looked at the models again, do the MI and HI models seem overly big/out of scale?
They're definitely larger than previous HI. My JSA samurai look pretty shrimpy by comparison, but then again they're supposed to be nimble & deadly.
Keep in mind that the HI in this starter are among the slowest & toughest types for these two factions
Compare these new HI to new Morats, Iguana Pilot, Ectros ... they look about right for where infinity has been heading.
Sangarn wrote: its recent: the gak started with Stephan Rao, 6 month ago ?
they clearly want to grab USA people with comics aesthetics: bodybuilder and pinups
i'm not a huge fan of manga either but the genre difference (male/female) makes all this laughable;
I miss the order sergent perfection era
But nothing that massive conversion could solve
BoW put the video in ... 360 p xD
*snort* It always amuses me when people think the sexy aesthetic is new to Infinity. In fact, I addressed that "Infinity models are supposed to be sexy" in this very thread.
Thing is, the reason you may not remember me saying that is... it was three years ago. (2011/06/27) It's actually from before you (Sangarn) registered your account.
With N3 we'll all need a refresher game or two to get in the swing of things. The play mat helps delineates the deployment zones from the middle of the battle field for newbies.
I was initially disappointed with a paper mat & card stock buildings. However, nesting infinity boxes in the buildings makes up for it entirely. Brilliant & simple solution that makes use of previously unutilized packaging.
It's a step up from useless gothic ruins + gross plastic trees (3rd ed. 40k), or the crashed ship components (battle for Mac. 40k) both of which did nothing for the game but occupy space.
MRPYM wrote: After getting over my fanboy reaction and looked at the models again, do the MI and HI models seem overly big/out of scale?
They're definitely larger than previous HI. My JSA samurai look pretty shrimpy by comparison, but then again they're supposed to be nimble & deadly.
Keep in mind that the HI in this starter are among the slowest & toughest types for these two factions
Compare these new HI to new Morats, Iguana Pilot, Ectros ... they look about right for where infinity has been heading.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing to happen?
You're right, that single aspect unto itself is not great.
While many things have gotten bigger; I'd point to the newer Janissary to counter. He's a wee-man compared to the linebackers on the bottom of the Haqq page.
Not everything is getting bigger. But everything they've updated thus far has been a noticeable improvement in quality & unity of the faction's aesthetic.
My own biased opinion, mother of god that is a nice starter set and thank goodness I have a friend to split it with because it will be easier to not start nomads when I can just give those miniatures to him and keep the shiny Pano guys.
guardpiper wrote: My own biased opinion, mother of god that is a nice starter set and thank goodness I have a friend to split it with because it will be easier to not start nomads when I can just give those miniatures to him and keep the shiny Pano guys.
My only let down is that it did not seem to have a painting guide and a build guide to help beginners in the hobby part of it (at least thus far) . Other than, I was actually impressed so far by it and I wanted to at least start a second faction. This also adds to my PanO so this is a double wammy for me.
Knight wrote: This is the moment is where I part ways with Infinity. I'm simply not liking the new art direction they went with PanO, I was worried it'll come to this after seeing the interview.
I know where you are coming from. Infinity seems to be shuffling away from its anime roots and more towards a European sci-fi style.
It's making me a bit sad as well. Some (most, actually) of the new stuff is amazing, but I'll stick with the old stuff. The new PanO is VERY bulky. Looks good on some models (I'm LOVING that new Father Knight) and new male Fulsiliers, but I like the older akalis a lot more and while the pose is MUCH improved, the new ORC doesn't look at all like an ORC to me.
That first ORC model is what got me into Infinity, way back when it was the only model Corvus Belli was teasing pictures of and even with the awkwardly held combi rifle. The new one is much different: better looking back armor, better looking forearm armor, but the thigh armor is terrible. The butt-plate now has seperate buttocks and shows a lot more triple strength myomer bundles, which doesn't look better AND can't be as protective, I'm sure. New shin armor is decent, but I loved the shape of the old ones. The real problem is the upper body, the chesht and shoulders are HUMONGUS! And the head dropped the single crest with 2 fluted for an axtra flute on top and wider, more swept-back ear/antennea, which widens the head a LOT. The newly added neck armor covers up the chin. All in all, it's a great model, but it is NOT an ORC trooper All of the Nomads figs are a vast improvement (except pointy McChestygirl). I can lay similar criticisms at the akali, but I never liked akalis quite as much as ORCs.
Heck, every one of th enew PanO has similar changes. CB outright stated in a BoW interview they were deliberately changing the aesthetic of the game. While the quality and scultping and details are vastly improved, I wish they weren't deviating so far from the older versions*.
*Except the new Mobile Brigada, that thing is fan-bleeping-tastic!
-Loki- wrote: Yeah, when I see comparisons to older models and how they have more 'character', to me the older models just look flat out worse.
Couldn't agree more. I love most everything about the new art direction.
I also agree. The old orcs for instance were some of the models that I'd look at and wonder what CB was thinking when they designed them. They just didn't feel "heavy" to me compared with the other models in the range which is now no longer the case.
Noir wrote: You must be new if you think Kan was talking about the art work and not the so called cheesecake models.
Not new, just took a decade vacation from the forums.
Have no problem is cheesecake (or beefcake for that matter). I have a problem with posing... with both female line troops. Previous Alguaciles were all biz all the time. Again, no problem with bare midriff or high heels, problem with leaning against soda machine.
Considering updates for basic HI choices & LI cheerleaders choices, one cannot argue that CB is ruining their aesthetic. Their artists have a much better handle on scale & realistic dynamic posing.
Janissary, Hsien, Mobile Brigada, Intruder, All the Morats, Shaolin Monks, Fusiliers, Highlanders, Alguacil, Moiras. All superior re-sculpts.
Nobody will cry when/if Yu Jing Invincibles, Zanshi, Tunguska Securitate, CA Charonotids & a whole bunch of the uglier shasvasti are redone.
Not everything CB has done of late is awesome though. Tohaa initially showed promise, but considering their character in the fluff the newer releases have been underwhelming. So many buckles & straps
Nobody likes to see models they spent time lovingly painting replaced, but CB cannot keep expanding their catalog.
Half the fun of being a veteran player is ardently using ugly ancient models. There is no better joy than explaining to newbloods what that hideous blob of pewter is. (I played Tyranids in 2nd edition, I've seen some ugly things in my time)
Speaking of being set in ones ways... Very pleased to see CB's commitment to stick with metal minis going forward
Noir wrote: You must be new if you think Kan was talking about the art work and not the so called cheesecake models.
Not new, just took a decade vacation from the forums.
Have no problem is cheesecake (or beefcake for that matter). I have a problem with posing... with both female line troops. Previous Alguaciles were all biz all the time. Again, no problem with bare midriff or high heels, problem with leaning against soda machine.
Iain.
The ladies in Icestorm do have some Lordosis/Swayback going on, especially the Rev. Healer.
Sexy death commandos gotta have curves!
Say I start playing 40k in RT/2nd ed and I love the metal Space Marine Mk 2 Crusade armor
Say it's my favoritest thing ever, it awesome and amazing and hits every fancy I have at the time it comes out. Later, GW releases a new plastic kit, and it's all a bunch of Mark 6 and 7 armor
Now these models hit most of the same notes as the older metals, very similar overall shapes and they're more detailed and more poses, they're flat out better right? Except you really can't argue they're the same as they don't have the same details. They're similar, and they're technically better, but the little details are different. Everybody loves the new ones and they great and amazing and everybody tells you how much better they are than the soft, oddly proportioned, mushy detailed old metals, but all you really wanted was this:
All these old Infinity models are the same way. They came out and they were AWESOME when they came out, and now they're showing their age compared to the newer stuff, but instead of getting cleaned up versions, we're getting reimagined versions that hit a lot of the same notes and similar shapes, but the details aren't the same. The little things like the shape of the helmet or the inset on the greaves. The new ones are "better", I don't know how many times I need to repeat that, but they just aren't the same
Or are you going to try and argue the JJ Abrams Enterprise is better than the original just because it's more detailed? It's the same shape, after all. And it -IS- more detailed, it -IS- better animated, it -IS- more powerful. It is absolutely better in every technical sense, but that doesn't necessarily trump years of loving the original. And like the remastered original Star Trek series, all I really want is that same exact ORC updated to current levels of detail and posing, instead I got the JJ Abrams ORC, which is totally cool in it's own right, but its not the ORC I grew up with.
I write this as someone who has Games workshop models that are approximately twenty five years old, and has been collecting daemon models long enough to have three or four different versions of the same model...
You aren't ever going to see a model resculpt that's going to satisfy your "the same but better" criteria. Even if someone tries to capture the same spirit as a previous sculpt, it won't and can't be the same.
Edit: Counter argument: Star Trek the-original-series Klingons and aliens in general vs. Star Trek The Motion Picture (the original one) Klingons.
I don't think the differences are quite as big as the Mk2/3 and Mk7 difference - and also note that the early Space Marine mark armours are all around the same age apart from the Mk6 (beakie) which is the only older one.
It looks more like a translation from an old Mk6 to new Mk6, (which did have a few detail changes), albeit there are a few more differences. I think the Helmet and Backpack could have looked more like the original, but the limbs and chest (apart from the kneepads) are basically a refresh.
The differences might to due to the blame from the design of knights leaking through.
At least it's not like the Cadians in 40k where the models were updated and were worse in every way, including more detail.
While I am pleased with the miniatures themselves, I wonder if they will release some of these miniatures separately. Otherwise, if we want any of them, we need to pick them up from third parties or spend €90 to get the entire set. I really don't like the trend they are setting moving to bigger and more expensive boxed sets.
This wouldn't be the Infinity N&R thread without some comment of "OMG! Bewbs! " and then someone new to the thread scratching their head with a puzzled expression, wondering why Overtyrant is complaining about the free downloadable rules
I kind of sea Kalamadea's point. I feel the same way about Space Marines, as much as some of the new sculpts are awesome, I will always have a special place in my heart for the old Rogue Trader-era metals. Same too with the new ORC.
The problem is, what are the sculptors meant to do here? Arguments about division of the butt-plate armour aside ( ) the new sculpt is the evolution of the old one. It represents the change (and improvement) in sculpting style by CB over the past 5 years, as the look of the game has developed over time. The issue is that this won't be a change that everyone will like (art and design being, by its very nature, subjective), but one thing I do know is that had they released a sculpt that was a variation of the old one, with a changed body pose but otherwise the same then the complains would have been a lot more (from me at least), and the sculpt would have been at odds with the other current releases.
This one, like all of the sculpts in this set, represent a tremendous amount of sculpting prowess, skill and effort on the part of the designers. Like other releases coming out of Spain and France at the moment, they are absolutely dripping with it, and we are lucky enough to be getting these miniatures from sculptors who are at the top of their game, and have got the financial backing of a company that is just about large enough for a release such as this to be a possibility.
I think Infinity: JJ Abrams version is one of the more accurate descriptions you could give to the new art. If you don't see it or like it over the old style, it's totally fine and cool. It's only natural that with the changes you're going to leave some of the market behind.
The new Akal's backpack is horrible, it simply isn't on pair with Crusader Brether (blends with entire miniature) or old winged Akal (this one has class) or Kirpal (Brethren style).
I love the old ORC, the current looks so odd. Adding armour to satisfy the rule of cool is simply silly. The bulky torso... I hope you have top notch servos to support all of the upper weight.
Older models simply have character, the hints of technology and how the models are focused in the moment, I know few others that were impressed at level of miniaturisation PanO has achieved. That class is gone, replaced by the need for more action oriented posses and bling, bling armour, excuse the lack for better term. Machinist is the model that is frequently mocked but once you hold it you can only marvel how much thought went into the model.
If only new Fusiliers wouldn't have the backpack, I can understand the reference but we're not marching and we're not playing Napoleonics in space. The female would be ideal... if she wouldn't look like she's worried she'll miss her pedicure appointment. Yeah, CB throws this (fool's errand to argue with it) and I'm not a fan of it and I really wanted to use her as PC character for the RPG ever since I've seen her on artwork piece. I guess I'll go with the old Kamau.
Knight wrote: IYeah, CB throws this (fool's errand to argue with it) and I'm not a fan of it and I really wanted to use her as an NPC character for the RPG ever since I've seen her on artwork piece. I guess I'll go with the old Kamau.
Okay, after a long day, I can finally post in here.
First, I love the sculpts. I need that Mobile Brigada. I'm a little torn about whether or not I should preorder (some places already have them up) or if I should just hold off until the new starters show up. Money is tight right now, but I really like the exclusive figures. If I can get someone to split it with me, I'll probably go for this.
I'm not seeing this drastic shift in art direction people are complaining about. The anime aesthetic is still there, it's just been more refined through the digital sculpting. I'm not sure what this move is that you're all referring to. Is it the fact that a lot of the designs are getting bulkier and moving away from the scrawny, more form fitting armor designs they used to have? I think some of you are forgetting that anime isn't some big homogenous thing that has a universal look to it. Ever see Berserk? It's extremely western influenced with a very non-traditional look. I'd liken Infinity's move from more cartoony designs to more realistic ones as being similar to how anime has moved away from the traditional Tezuka look towards more realistic stuff like Monster or Berserk. It's not much different than that.
Also, the talk of using 2D maps in lieu of traditional 3D terrain is a pretty good idea. I don't know why it never occurred to me before. There's some really nice ones out there and that guy that did a lot of the Star Wars ones especially has some good ones. If you're looking for a setting to use 0-G terrain, some of his maps are great for that.
Barksdale wrote: While I am pleased with the miniatures themselves, I wonder if they will release some of these miniatures separately. Otherwise, if we want any of them, we need to pick them up from third parties or spend €90 to get the entire set. I really don't like the trend they are setting moving to bigger and more expensive boxed sets.
The two 'leader' models, the knight and the healer, are exclusive to the set.
the other 6 models for each faction will form the new starter boxes, which are usually £30 to buy.
Barksdale wrote: While I am pleased with the miniatures themselves, I wonder if they will release some of these miniatures separately. Otherwise, if we want any of them, we need to pick them up from third parties or spend €90 to get the entire set. I really don't like the trend they are setting moving to bigger and more expensive boxed sets.
Apparently at some point they will release PanO and Nomad starters with most of the minis from O:I. The PanO Father knight and the Nomad Reverend Healer are exclusive to this starter. Very cool!
Funny thing. In 31:41 when they are showing painted Grenzer, the back of his cloak is really roughly painted (highlights on the blacks). I wonder if that's a different mini or they heavily used photoshop to make every model look nice and smooth.
That would be disappointing. I want to see beautifully painted miniatures not photoshoped ones. I hope we won't see miniatures with no wrinkles, thinner and with bigger boobs...
I believe Carlos mentions that there are in fact two sets of painted miniatures. The ones he has by Vega and the other that they use for advertisements by Angel Giraldez.
Knight wrote: Older models simply have character, the hints of technology and how the models are focused in the moment, I know few others that were impressed at level of miniaturisation PanO has achieved.
I still don't get it.
I've got old Ghulam sitting here, next to new Ghulam, and they just look... awful. I've got the old AP rifle Jannisary as well, which I like because of the pose. But the exaggerated features, the enormous rifles, and sub par sculpts... They're just worse. Their 'character' at best rose-tinted-glasses syndrome.
Knight wrote: Older models simply have character, the hints of technology and how the models are focused in the moment, I know few others that were impressed at level of miniaturisation PanO has achieved.
I still don't get it.
I've got old Ghulam sitting here, next to new Ghulam, and they just look... awful. I've got the old AP rifle Jannisary as well, which I like because of the pose. But the exaggerated features, the enormous rifles, and sub par sculpts... They're just worse. Their 'character' at best rose-tinted-glasses syndrome.
I have the old Alguaciles here and next to these new ones they're pretty laughable. And I'm really not getting how someone can prefer the old ORC... I get it's personal preference but the new one is almost identical except...cleaner? Just better, more modern. The old ORC was one of the first models I saw from infinity and was part of the reason I didn't jump in for a while.
If your mind doesn't get it, it doesn't and likely it won't. I wouldn't waste too much time solving a puzzle of what some guy on the internet is thinking. I've likely spend far too much time discussing the miniaturisation and HI/REM concepts (fictional or not) behind PanO, my finger prints must be all over PanO section in the art book.
Haqq makes it a bad example, most of their technology and privileges (knowledge among others) are explained with magical sand and buying third generation tech on the market. Which they usually enchant with refined magical sand. So, if you're looking for radical changes I wouldn't expect them. Only Kum bikers are silly, going without protection on a open vehicle under those conditions? I wonder how long can you last before the dehydration and the sun does its tool.
The overall reaction towards new releases is positive. Yay for CB? I honestly wouldn't dwell more than that.
Sangarn wrote: its recent: the gak started with Stephan Rao, 6 month ago ?
they clearly want to grab USA people with comics aesthetics: bodybuilder and pinups
i'm not a huge fan of manga either but the genre difference (male/female) makes all this laughable;
I miss the order sergent perfection era
*snort* It always amuses me when people think the sexy aesthetic is new to Infinity. In fact, I addressed that "Infinity models are supposed to be sexy" in this very thread.
Thing is, the reason you may not remember me saying that is... it was three years ago. (2011/06/27) It's actually from before you (Sangarn) registered your account.
I don't think the sexy aesthetic is new to infinity, and for me it's an important part because of the manga feeling of Infinity.
I read your post and i agreed with all you say
the thing is: the ninja exemple you take about ? It's over.
for the hypothetic next release of female ninja will be half naked with an "oops" pose and male ninja will have two time bigger shoulder
Just to quote something you say, because you say it better than me (damn english) and it's exactly what i'm talking about:
Something else to consider: as Infinity is a more true-scale game, they run the risk, when they produce an armored or uniformed figure, that you won't be able to distinguish between men and woman; it is for this reason that the "sexiness", or perhaps better, femininity, needs to be injected. When man and woman are both athletic and proportioned like normal humans, little things like hair and posture become very important,
R.I.P. true scale
But the good new is that CB can't keep changing proportions of guns art directions etc .. so maybe they will just reduce the shoulder size and make some "soldier" female and all will be fine :p
I must say that I love the reverend healer so all my hope is not gone for female sculpt that i could work on.
Knight wrote: Haqq makes it a bad example, most of their technology and privileges (knowledge among others) are explained with magical sand and buying third generation tech on the market. Which they usually enchant with refined magical sand. So, if you're looking for radical changes I wouldn't expect them. Only Kum bikers are silly, going without protection on a open vehicle under those conditions? I wonder how long can you last before the dehydration and the sun does its tool.
I don't see how their fluff makes them the exception to the rule of new models looking better to old models. They've also undergone radical design changes despite the fluff - the new Ghulam look completely different to the old Ghulam. Not the compete removal of their old armoured vest with hairdryer on the back to a more modern set of military fatigues and a backpack. Note the complete redesign of the Jannisary - the same tech level, but just a far better sculpt.
I don't think those of us who don't like the new sculpts claim they are inferior, from technical standpoint (I don't recall I did, with exception of Akal who has very odd backpack compared to Crusader, there's no way they couldn't put more effort into it). The background is rather hard sci-fi and I loved how well they were integrating it. You have occasional oddball stuff but overall it was kept rather realistic and even oddball stuff could be executed differently (old versus new antipodes).
Interestingly enough I remember the interview where Corvus stated the difficulties they had with PanO. Just how do they show the miniaturisation and superior hi-tech. The new design doesn't reflect it (it does reflect standardisation but basing the technological level I'd say we're actually technologically inferior to Nomads and even Haqq). I think some of the bulkier designs would now be accepted ("cooler" Hexa would be the first to point my finger on), if they went over them one more time. Maybe they will.
If you do not understand my appreciation for their background, prioritising functionality, consistency over the rule of cool. Than that's that from my side.
ImAGeek wrote: Who else is pre ordering this in the UK, and where would you recommend for pre order?
Within the UK, only place I have found so far for pre-orders is Wayland Games.
I've tried Firestorm, Arcane Miniatures, Dark Sphere.
I did think that pre-order wasn't meant to start until 29th, but Wayland may have it as they seem to have a close relationship with CB (CB used their Tabletop Nation store as a launch venue for Campaign Paradiso).
This whole dakka changeup, combined with ice storm, has reinvigorated my desire to play infinity, even if I need to drag some opponents kicking and screaming into the light!
ImAGeek wrote: Who else is pre ordering this in the UK, and where would you recommend for pre order?
This very much depends on what you want.
If you just want the box, wayland, and most likely dark sphere on the 29th, along with wargaming trader if he is getting any, (he posts in here so he will be able to say) and troll trader will all get it to you with a bit of a discount.
If you want one of the other limited minis too, the Bolt or the penthasilia, then its corvus bellis own store and accept the postage costs.
I'll have to avail myself of them to figure out just which panoceana minis to get to compliment my upcoming icestorm+bolt army... i'm hoping a squalo is in the cards!
It's already up on Wayland at £60, and then delivery, and I'm not too bothered about the Bolt or Penny (not as keen on the bolt as I first thought and I can get Penny later)
ImAGeek wrote: It's already up on Wayland at £60, and then delivery, and I'm not too bothered about the Bolt or Penny (not as keen on the bolt as I first thought and I can get Penny later)
But I've never used Wayland before.
I don't like Wayland as it takes them ages to deliver if they do at all, all my gaming group has had troubles with Wayland. We use:
Have never once had a problem with them and there delivery times are fantastic. On more then one occasion I've placed an order on a Friday and have received it on Saturday the next day and I paind for standard delivery. Highly recommended IMO.
For £60, I was about to just purchase it as an impulse buy, but then I noticed Wayland's free shipping doesn't apply. £76 just pushed it right over the top, especially since I just want the PanO contents (and som dice ofc).
Man I wonder how big the lines at Gen con are gonna be for this, cause that starter set looks amazing! I'm tempted to pre order it in case I can't get one at Gen con.
Yup, selling my Sisters of Battle army to get this box set. I already collect Nomads so I'm a Go!
Gorgeous looking models and I really want that limited edition, pre-order only corporate lady with the Ghost in the Shell briefcase gun.
Need, not want.
@Luthon, i'm hoping the lines aren't terrible and that i can get one on friday, don't want to take a second day off work. If i can't pick it up in person, i'll wait to see if miniature market gets it for pre-order, i can do without the bolt, penny, and security extra, but i don't want to miss out on the father knight and reverend healer like it'll be down the line? But i'm not sure those two are worth paying shipping from spain either. So gonna hop the booth first thing on friday.
Would rather buy from CB than Wayland, I want the other two minis so no option anyway - on another forum CB had said uk ice storm postage would be about 12 euro. Have to find out how true that is next week!
I'm not sure what i'm gonna do with the scenery myself. While it looks pretty nice from what i've seen, I've got a boatload of mantic battlezones terrain that will probably serve as my ''bad part of town''/''frontier slums'' style infinity board part time.. not sure the paper terrain will fit in. But if it's readily collapsible, or nests... it could make a really nice set of travel terrain, just use the collection of low buildings they give you, and add in a bunch of scatter to break up los.
I wonder if the terrain will be available seperately? I plan to pick up an Icestorm all for myself since I have PanO and Nomads and plan to mix the new stuff in with them. But I don't need or want a 2nd Icestorm just to have a full table worth of terrain that all matches.
The BoW video shows something neat about the buildings- the containers are the exact size to match the train scenario from Paradiso, and the buildings themselves are sized so that you can stuff any of the cardboard infinity boxes inside for support, making them pretty sturdy. I had been planning on filling them with that expanding construction foam used to fill around pipes, but keeping my old boxes sounds a lot easier
Watching the video... box looks excellent. Sounds like the reverend healer will get to link with moiras and will have the doctor skill, neat. Too bad they don't let you link custodiers and moiras like that.. or the healer with custodiers. Or at least it wasn't mentioned. Sheesh at this rate I may as well get the moira box and make myself a space nun battle contingent.
Well, apparently we have some news from the Interplanetary Tournament! No pics about new stuff BTW.
- 3D render for Yojimbo has been shown, and will have two versions, with and without bike.
- new box of Ghulams with special weapons
- Janissaire with HMG
Watching the video again, I just realized that the Icestorm Boxed Set will be limited to only 5000 units. Not preorders, just the whole boxed set itself.
I was under the illusion that it was going to be an ongoing unlimited product.
They haven't said that it's going to be limited edition though?
I've got no idea how many of these they expected to sell. One has to imagine, if they do sell out quickly then they will start another production run. Remember that the miniatures are produced in-house also, they're not having to wait 6 months for a place in the queue in China/Renendra.
I'm waiting until 28th for the 'official' pre-release to see who is offering the best deal, although half of me just thinks I should go with Wayland as the most I am going to save is 5 quid..
Absolutionis wrote: Watching the video again, I just realized that the Icestorm Boxed Set will be limited to only 5000 units. Not preorders, just the whole boxed set itself.
I was under the illusion that it was going to be an ongoing unlimited product.
I don't think that is what they were saying. I believe the version with the free cheesecake office lady with the machine gun briefcase is limited to the 5000 units. Warren was generally blathering on during that video as usual and Carlos wasn't really clear about confirming that bit but that is the gist I got from watching.
Absolutionis wrote: Watching the video again, I just realized that the Icestorm Boxed Set will be limited to only 5000 units. Not preorders, just the whole boxed set itself.
I was under the illusion that it was going to be an ongoing unlimited product.
I don't think that is what they were saying. I believe the version with the free cheesecake office lady with the machine gun briefcase is limited to the 5000 units. Warren was generally blathering on during that video as usual and Carlos wasn't really clear about confirming that bit but that is the gist I got from watching.
Warren: "But there's one more miniature, but it's only for people that preorder the box. So there'll be the first run of this box. This box in total is quite limited edition because there is only going to be 5000 of this box. But for those people that preorder
Carlos: "Yes"
Warren: "...and those people that buy at Gen-Con, I would imagine"
Carlos: "Also yes. Correct."
Warren: "And they'll see a little yellow sticker on there, and if you have a little yellow sticker that means you have an exclusive miniature in the box."
Carlos: "Yes, and that is something that I would like to advise everyone. Okay. Go for the yellow sticker, because if you like this box. And there is also only 5000 copies of it, it's probably going to be sold out. If the life of this product is so limited, go for the yellow sticker. Go for the preorder, and get more miniatures for your money,"
Warren: "Okay"
Carlos: "Because maybe you'll end up with no Operation Icestorm boxes available."
Warren: "Mm..hmm"
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Seems to me that the Carlos is explicitly stating the boxed set as a whole is limited to 5000 copies.
warboss wrote: I like this one... from the comments, someone labelled it a "jannissary".
I said "I think", not necessarily 'labeled" (Yes, that's me)
The shoulders have the holes in them and the face looks like a Jannisary. The Janissary models that currently exist aside from the one in the Haqq starter are all rather old. This new model seems to take Haqq's Classic/Vanilla HI and give it a new look in-line with the bulky MobileBrigada and Orcs.
Then again, it also has a weapon similar to the new YuJing TerraCotta guys.
warboss wrote: I like this one... from the comments, someone labelled it a "jannissary".
I said "I think", not necessarily 'labeled" (Yes, that's me)
The shoulders have the holes in them and the face looks like a Jannisary. The Janissary models that currently exist aside from the one in the Haqq starter are all rather old. This new model seems to take Haqq's Classic/Vanilla HI and give it a new look in-line with the bulky MobileBrigada and Orcs.
Then again, it also has a weapon similar to the new YuJing TerraCotta guys.
The design is in line with the new Jannisary in the vanilla starter. The starter pack Jannisary was the redesign. The HMG in the blister right now is the old one that went with the old rifle model, which was discontinued shortly after the new starter.
Yojimbo is looking pretty sleek. I'm guessing if they're doing a standing/riding version we can maybe expect to see a combo blister with both at some point?
This is interesting for my eventual akira themed aragoto biker gang... i can use my gencon penny (forget that she doesn't match, it'll work!), the two aragoto blisters, and yojimbo whenever he exists.. bikes!
Warren: "And they'll see a little yellow sticker on there, and if you have a little yellow sticker that means you have an exclusive miniature in the box."
Carlos: "Yes, and that is something that I would like to advise everyone. Okay. Go for the yellow sticker, because if you like this box. And there is also only 5000 copies of it, it's probably going to be sold out. If the life of this product is so limited, go for the yellow sticker. Go for the preorder, and get more miniatures for your money,"
Warren: "Okay"
Carlos: "Because maybe you'll end up with no Operation Icestorm boxes available."
Warren: "Mm..hmm"
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Seems to me that the Carlos is explicitly stating the boxed set as a whole is limited to 5000 copies.
Hmm.... that's not how I read it.
Yellow sticker on the box means contains the ltd edition miniature, there are only 5000 of those. He's not speaking about Operation Icestorm generally (I think!)
I agree though this could do with a clarification.
Warren: "And they'll see a little yellow sticker on there, and if you have a little yellow sticker that means you have an exclusive miniature in the box."
Carlos: "Yes, and that is something that I would like to advise everyone. Okay. Go for the yellow sticker, because if you like this box. And there is also only 5000 copies of it, it's probably going to be sold out. If the life of this product is so limited, go for the yellow sticker. Go for the preorder, and get more miniatures for your money,"
Warren: "Okay"
Carlos: "Because maybe you'll end up with no Operation Icestorm boxes available."
Warren: "Mm..hmm"
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Seems to me that the Carlos is explicitly stating the boxed set as a whole is limited to 5000 copies.
Hmm.... that's not how I read it.
Yellow sticker on the box means contains the ltd edition miniature, there are only 5000 of those. He's not speaking about Operation Icestorm generally (I think!)
I agree though this could do with a clarification.
That's how I read it too. The 'yellow sticker' run is the pre order run with the Corporate Security Unit model. He pretty explicity states there's only 5000 copies of the yellow sticker run, sounds like it's a 'first come, first serve' basis. The first 5000 customers get the pre order set.
RiTides wrote: Whoa. Those two (different types?) Tohaa models are awesome. The one that has a render, does that mean it's coming out soonish?
Maybe, maybe not. The fastest I've seen a 'render to model' turnaround that I remember is the Antipodes at Ficzone, getting a model release the next month (or was it 2 months after?). Sometimes it takes longer for the model.
Tohaa is in an interesting position in that there's not a whole lot left to release for them. A few weapon options (every Vulkan Shotgun profile, for example, and the Sakiel LRL). There's a good 2 years still until we see Acheron Falls, which is when Tohaa get their next big set of reinforcements. Releases until then will be pretty scattered, just gap filling, IIRC.
I'd guess they might want to stretch Tohaa out a bit, so I'd expect them to skip a few months at a time between releases.
-Loki- wrote: Looks like 2 of the new Ghulam in there, sniper and hacker. Guess that reveals half the box.
Nope I just didn't grab the other pic So all they had up was the Sniper, Hacker, and ML
Spoiler:
So Hacker, Missile Launcher, Sniper. My initial prediction was those, plus the HMG, missing the Panzerfaust (because these days they tend to let the 'proxy' or a rifle model stand in for Panzerfausts). Come on HMG!
RiTides wrote: Whoa. Those two (different types?) Tohaa models are awesome. The one that has a render, does that mean it's coming out soonish?
Maybe, maybe not. The fastest I've seen a 'render to model' turnaround that I remember is the Antipodes at Ficzone, getting a model release the next month (or was it 2 months after?). Sometimes it takes longer for the model.
I may be mistaken but didn't they show renders of the antipodes at last year's gencon?
What kind of role will the PanO Father Knight fulfill?
It is a new unit, right?
I haven't read much about him, but I think both miniatures (the knight and the healer), since they are limited to the O:I box (unlike the starters), are just characters. I don't really know, but my guess is that they are just characters, a bit like the Dire Foes. Maybe we could see more miniatures of their units in the future, but given the nature of the product, I think it's just a one time thing.
What kind of role will the PanO Father Knight fulfill? It is a new unit, right?
I haven't read much about him, but I think both miniatures (the knight and the healer), since they are limited to the O:I box (unlike the starters), are just characters. I don't really know, but my guess is that they are just characters, a bit like the Dire Foes. Maybe we could see more miniatures of their units in the future, but given the nature of the product, I think it's just a one time thing.
That was debunked a while ago. They're not characters and are nothing like Dire Foes, that's why they don't have names. IIRC, they're new units in 3rd edition, but these particular sculpts are limited to the Icestorm box.
The Father Knight is interesting - his size suggests CB are channeling a bit of Tarik. Maybe a PanO super soldier attempt?
There won't be a Seminar today, so that's all you get. That indeed is new JANISSARY hmg, that's the weapon resculpt for Haqq.
There was also Yojimbo, Dogwarriors and Kutail later on, the last one a new Tohha troop with Symbiont, Holoecho 2 and 'some other cool tricks' qccording to Bostria.
I have photos of the cosplay contest, which was nice, too. Therewaswas a cledonian codplayer in a kilt. With no pants. Imagine why we know....
Anyone know what the launch time on the CB site is and what's happening with the Gen Con bundle? Tried looking around but my main conclusion from doing that was just that CB needs to hire someone who can accurately translate Spanish to English...., Sure I cannot speak Spanish, but I'm also not trying to market a wargame......
What kind of role will the PanO Father Knight fulfill?
It is a new unit, right?
I haven't read much about him, but I think both miniatures (the knight and the healer), since they are limited to the O:I box (unlike the starters), are just characters. I don't really know, but my guess is that they are just characters, a bit like the Dire Foes. Maybe we could see more miniatures of their units in the future, but given the nature of the product, I think it's just a one time thing.
That was debunked a while ago. They're not characters and are nothing like Dire Foes, that's why they don't have names. IIRC, they're new units in 3rd edition, but these particular sculpts are limited to the Icestorm box.
The Father Knight is interesting - his size suggests CB are channeling a bit of Tarik. Maybe a PanO super soldier attempt?
The bio stuff isn't really Pan-O's thing. Give him some armour, tech and a sword is more MO's M.O. Personally I'd like to see him with some sort of leadership-based skills (I'm assuming he's a higher rank than the other knights).
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TwilightSparkles wrote: Anyone know what the launch time on the CB site is and what's happening with the Gen Con bundle? Tried looking around but my main conclusion from doing that was just that CB needs to hire someone who can accurately translate Spanish to English...., Sure I cannot speak Spanish, but I'm also not trying to market a wargame......
What kind of role will the PanO Father Knight fulfill?
It is a new unit, right?
I haven't read much about him, but I think both miniatures (the knight and the healer), since they are limited to the O:I box (unlike the starters), are just characters. I don't really know, but my guess is that they are just characters, a bit like the Dire Foes. Maybe we could see more miniatures of their units in the future, but given the nature of the product, I think it's just a one time thing.
That was debunked a while ago. They're not characters and are nothing like Dire Foes, that's why they don't have names. IIRC, they're new units in 3rd edition, but these particular sculpts are limited to the Icestorm box.
The Father Knight is interesting - his size suggests CB are channeling a bit of Tarik. Maybe a PanO super soldier attempt?
The bio stuff isn't really Pan-O's thing. Give him some armour, tech and a sword is more MO's M.O. Personally I'd like to see him with some sort of leadership-based skills (I'm assuming he's a higher rank than the other knights).
I know it's not their thing, but his height is definitely giving off that vibe. Hels a goot 1/4 taller than any other knight. Armour alone wouldn't do that short of being a mini TAG type suit.
This isn't a game where you are going to be running lots of models. You can literally add 2-3 models to what you get for each force and you've got a 300pt (the games 'standard' size) list. It's also not a game where, outside of line infantry (like the Alguaciles and Fusiliers) you'll be running repeats of many units. And even among those, 3 is plenty.
Because I want two? One to enjoy painting and one to do demo games with if necessary, if I need to justify it I suppose. I'm aware of the size of Infinity forces, although I haven't bought anything for it since my partner bought me the initial Tohaa releases.
Zond wrote: Because I want two? One to enjoy painting and one to do demo games with if necessary, if I need to justify it I suppose. I'm aware of the size of Infinity forces, although I haven't bought anything for it since my partner bought me the initial Tohaa releases.
No one said you needed to justify it, I think he was just curious, as I was when I saw your post.
I think limiting the release to a set number of copies kind of defeats the purpose. I don't know how big the market is and how quickly you can move 5000 units of anything, but I do get the impression that you need to be quick to not miss out.
How is this going to help snag new players? I suppose you might get some people that are on the fence and already looking into Infinity. I'm sure it would be beneficial if stores could have this in stock and showcase it on the shelves. The few stores I know that support Infinity barely keep any stock. The extreme range makes it difficult. The support is basically a community service to the handful of fans that already exist. The shelf space is practically non-existant , and all you'll find there is a few of the obsolete line troopers. The big stores don't even support Infinity at all. I think being able to have a self-contained game in a boardgame format would help, at least as a trial. It it works, start stocking boxes, then move on to blisters in time.
-Loki- wrote: Again the 5000 copies is for the yellow sticker box with the CSU unit. The starter itself is not limited.
Quoting Bostria from the official Infinity forum:
Bostria wrote:"Operation: Icestorm" is a product limited to 5000 copies.
My personal opinion is that this product is going to sell all those copies during this year and the first half of 2015.
I really encourage everyone who likes this box to go for it, do not hesitate, because it might sold out sooner than you think.
And if there is a pre-order offer and a GenCon chance to get it with an extra miniature, the CSU, go for it. Because finally is having more miniatures for the same price.
These miniatures of Reverend Healer and Father Knight will never be released in single blister.
-Loki- wrote: Again the 5000 copies is for the yellow sticker box with the CSU unit. The starter itself is not limited.
Quoting Bostria from the official Infinity forum:
Bostria wrote:"Operation: Icestorm" is a product limited to 5000 copies.
My personal opinion is that this product is going to sell all those copies during this year and the first half of 2015.
I really encourage everyone who likes this box to go for it, do not hesitate, because it might sold out sooner than you think.
And if there is a pre-order offer and a GenCon chance to get it with an extra miniature, the CSU, go for it. Because finally is having more miniatures for the same price.
These miniatures of Reverend Healer and Father Knight will never be released in single blister.
I hope you enjoy them.
CB only releasing 5000 copies. Its another for this starter set. I hope they will be doing futher print runs as this will not count as a starter set.
(Expect this post to disappear as it does not praise CB in 5.....)
CB only releasing 5000 copies. Its another for this starter set. I hope they will be doing futher print runs as this will not count as a starter set.
(Expect this post to disappear as it does not praise CB in 5.....)
Your post won't "disappear" unless it is so overtly offensive that it cannot simply be edited to be acceptable.
Honestly though, I expected this. The contents can all be broken down into what will likely be separately purchasable items(Nomad and PanOceania starter boxes, the terrain sets, the two characters and the CSU). It is not unlike the recent "Stormclaw" box from GW.
overtyrant wrote: CB only releasing 5000 copies. Its another for this starter set. I hope they will be doing futher print runs as this will not count as a starter set.
(Expect this post to disappear as it does not praise CB in 5.....)
There's no need to be quite so snarky, have any of your posts actually 'disappeared'..?
And I actually agree with you, I think it's silly and they at least should have disclosed this info all along.
CB only releasing 5000 copies. Its another for this starter set. I hope they will be doing futher print runs as this will not count as a starter set.
(Expect this post to disappear as it does not praise CB in 5.....)
Your post won't "disappear" unless it is so overtly offensive that it cannot simply be edited to be acceptable.
Honestly though, I expected this. The contents can all be broken down into what will likely be separately purchasable items(Nomad and PanOceania starter boxes, the terrain sets, the two characters and the CSU). It is not unlike the recent "Stormclaw" box from GW.
My posts are not offensive, they get removed as I don't praise CB. This is a very silly move from CB, having a starter box is something all games systems should have, it should be a cheap way of getting potential players a foothold into the game (I think thecstarter set is to expensive as is). I don't follow 40k so I don't know/care what a stormclaw box is.
overtyrant wrote: CB only releasing 5000 copies. Its another for this starter set. I hope they will be doing futher print runs as this will not count as a starter set.
(Expect this post to disappear as it does not praise CB in 5.....)
There's no need to be quite so snarky, have any of your posts actually 'disappeared'..?
And I actually agree with you, I think it's silly and they at least should have disclosed this info all along.
No-one here has a problem with criticism overtyrant, as long as it's constructive. I'm guessing if you had posts removed it was probably because it had been deemed to be personally directed in some form or another.
If they are expecting stock levels to last through the first half of 2015, then presumably the 5000 number isn't an issue?
This isn't going to be a case of someone trying to get one the week after Gencon and then them having sold out..
Pacific wrote: No-one here has a problem with criticism overtyrant, as long as it's constructive. I'm guessing if you had posts removed it was probably because it had been deemed to be personally directed in some form or another.
If they are expecting stock levels to last through the first half of 2015, then presumably the 5000 number isn't an issue?
This isn't going to be a case of someone trying to get one the week after Gencon and then them having sold out..
I hope not. I guess 5000 will probably turn out to be more than it sounds.
drazz wrote: So, no one else is picturing other starter sets with other pairings to replace Icestorm when it runs out? A Haqq v TJ? Combined v Tao?
CB is already into the collectible game releases, this could be the simple answer.
That requires other starter sets being redone--which would drive back their new release schedule quite a bit.
Even with all the new sectorals coming supposedly next year?
Considering the crapstorm that got stirred up on their official forums when there were people suggesting that Icestorm could be all Tunguska for Nomads and all Svalarheima for PanOceania?
I don't think it would be happening. Too many "veteran" players are of the opinion that introducing Sectorials into the starter set increases the learning curve dramatically.
carlos13th wrote: Not a fan of a starter set being limited to 5000 copies, a starter set is meant to help get people into the game.
If that were the case?
Then the "starter set" for Infinity would be the terrain, templates, quick-start rules, and a voucher covering any two faction starter sets.
This is less of a "starter set" in the traditional sense and more akin to the recent "Stormclaw" release from GW. You can use it to start the game if you want those two factions. You are (purportedly) given a series of missions in Icestorm that are very similar to Stormclaw, where you have units from the starter pulled out in the early games to avoid you having to learn those mechanics early on etc.
Anyways, assuming that 5000 copies is going to be sold out quickly is a bit silly. There were 5000 copies of the limited edition starter set for "The Hobbit" and several GW shops still have the thing sitting on their shelves.
carlos13th wrote: Not a fan of a starter set being limited to 5000 copies, a starter set is meant to help get people into the game.
It's been said a couple of times already in the thread, but Carlos mentioned that they expect those 5000 copies to last through the first half of next year.
With the best will in the world towards Infinity, and even if they have drastically underestimated popularity, this isn't going to be 'blink and you miss it'.
carlos13th wrote: Not a fan of a starter set being limited to 5000 copies, a starter set is meant to help get people into the game.
It's been said a couple of times already in the thread, but Carlos mentioned that they expect those 5000 copies to last through the first half of next year.
With the best will in the world towards Infinity, and even if they have drastically underestimated popularity, this isn't going to be 'blink and you miss it'.
Okay, I'll stop worrying then...
Dunno why but 5000 just doesn't sound like many. Always been crap with number estimates though.
carlos13th wrote: Not a fan of a starter set being limited to 5000 copies, a starter set is meant to help get people into the game.
It's been said a couple of times already in the thread, but Carlos mentioned that they expect those 5000 copies to last through the first half of next year.
With the best will in the world towards Infinity, and even if they have drastically underestimated popularity, this isn't going to be 'blink and you miss it'.
Maybe I am overestimating the number of infinity players then.
I think I am too, who knows maybe the booth will be empty and yellow stickered starter boxes will sit around in stores for years hence... still gonna hit the infinity booth first thing Friday.
carlos13th wrote: Not a fan of a starter set being limited to 5000 copies, a starter set is meant to help get people into the game.
It's been said a couple of times already in the thread, but Carlos mentioned that they expect those 5000 copies to last through the first half of next year.
With the best will in the world towards Infinity, and even if they have drastically underestimated popularity, this isn't going to be 'blink and you miss it'.
Maybe I am overestimating the number of infinity players then.
Note Kan's comment about GW's Hobbit box-sets, and that's selling something on top of a massive worldwide movie release and global reach in sales. You may be over-estimating how many wargamers there are!
Bearing in mind that all of this is based on CB's Carlos himself, I accept no responsibility if someone does blink before they order and then they are gone!
carlos13th wrote: Not a fan of a starter set being limited to 5000 copies, a starter set is meant to help get people into the game.
How does it being limited stop people getting into the game? Bear in mind that it is effectively a two player starter, unless people are picking it up for both factions. Thats potentially between 5 - 10,000 new players. For a game like Infinity thats probably a pretty substantial increase in the player base. So its hardly stopping people from getting into the game. Now some existing players will no doubt pick up copies for the new sculpts etc but i expect the majority of sales will still be to new players.
^^^ Lol. The gaming world doesn't revolve around GW. Nor is GW the first to do things like this. GW isn't much for originality of any sort now, are they? Ask again when CB announces an IPO.
Tunnel vision is a very sad thing. Especially when the grim darkness is the "light" at the end of it.
Not so wise to announce this as LE, unless they plan a next set of 5000, which will include 2 other starters that need re-doing, like the CA (which currently does not exist). I suspect they are testing the waters with this, to see how it goes.
Given the announcement that the terrain( including game-mat?) will be available for individual sale, as will the starter boxes themselves, that leave only the dice that need to be sold separately. The paper templates, meh. The rulebook? It will be scanned and torrent ready in no time. Not that this is not condoning piracy, infringement etc.) So I think everything will still be available, just not in one box.
Great Janissary. Must get. And the most important question I will ever ask on this forum. When can I get Yojimbo? Iif you know the connection between Yojimbo and my screen name, you'll understand
Maybe they worry that having a 'fixed' starter will end up 'forcing' new players into just those two factions, and thus end up unbalancing the fan base?
or that stores might decide to drop a bunch of SKUs in favour of a single starter set
(I think this would be a real effect, especially on B&M game stores with limited space and an ever bigger range of products from all manufacturers to find a place for)
They could be testing the waters, since a starter set is usually bought by people new to this hobby, so Corvis Belli can see if people are fine with having complex pewter miniatures to work with when they start, or if it would be better to offer the newbs styrene.
...Are you doing this on purpose? It contains starter rules and introductory scenarios - the full rules are available online (except campaigns, but that's about it) for free.
Oh dear - please don't use the rulebook for the rules!
Seriously, watch the "how to play infinity" vids (takes less than an hour) then spend a couple hours clicking through the infinity wiki - IMO that's enough to pick up a decent basic understanding of the system.
The books are pretty, and loaded with fluff. IMO that is their real purpose. Even knowing icestorm and N3 are coming out, i just recently got the v2 rules, having fun going through the fluff and pretty pictures... though yeah the rules... ouch.
Besides the infinity wiki and l2p videos are, if not the only example of their kind, far superior and really helpful compared to a lot of others. The intro videos are superb and helped draw me in, kickstarters looking to sell their game from the video should really look at how it's done for infinity.
But when it comes to actually playing the game, it's much better to just have an internet connection with access to the wiki... and a printout of all the unit/weapon statlines.
The fluff is meh and the art is even meher. It's almost all "manga" styled artwork but when you get into Campaign Paradiso and Human Sphere you have a mixture of the two styles.
That's personal opinion but even though I'm a new to infinity I got all books (even 2Nd E rulebook). I'm still reading all of them, jumping between all three to read everything related to one fraction.
Personally I think the fluff for this game is amazing. Comparing that to wh40 where everything was concentrating around war, in infinity you got plenty of info about everyday life and different fraction politics. Art, apart from dated rulebook is also nice if you don't mind anime like aesthetic. I don't regret buying all books and I hope they will release new artwork and sketch books in the near future...
Well, the main point with the fluff and art is the 3rd edition rulebook will pretty much be updating it. it will be the same fluff, but better translated and expanded. The art will be redone in the current style. So if you're after art for core units and the base fluff for the game, the 3rd edition rulebook will give you what the 2nd edition rulebook is giving you, just 'better'.
That said, if you're a completionist, there's no reason to not buy it. The books aren't exactly expensive.
On Operation Icestorm, that's interesting. Doesn't affect me much since I'm not a new player and the factions in it don't interest me, but it's still an odd choice to do it as a limited run.
That said, it's spurred me to pre order a set, as I was going to buy it for my nephews for Christmas.
sing your life wrote:They could be testing the waters, since a starter set is usually bought by people new to this hobby, so Corvis Belli can see if people are fine with having complex pewter miniatures to work with when they start, or if it would be better to offer the newbs styrene.
EVERY time CB has been asked they has basically said "We like metal".
That's personal opinion but even though I'm a new to infinity I got all books (even 2Nd E rulebook). I'm still reading all of them, jumping between all three to read everything related to one fraction.
Personally I think the fluff for this game is amazing. Comparing that to wh40 where everything was concentrating around war, in infinity you got plenty of info about everyday life and different fraction politics. Art, apart from dated rulebook is also nice if you don't mind anime like aesthetic. I don't regret buying all books and I hope they will release new artwork and sketch books in the near future...
Don't worry he has to bitch about something or he feels left out . It is not like it is billed as manga/anime aesthetic on Infinity homepage or anything .
MRPYM wrote: Wait, they are only making 5000 copies?
After that its gone?
No. bostria said ( to me, after the Interplanetary) that when this run sells out, they will worry about what to do, but nezt runs won't have the Csu for example. From what I'D understood, there will be other runs after this one. It all depends on how well it sells I guess.
Father knight is a little 'heroic scale', as per CB staff. He's the hero of the box and the coolest model, thatt's why. No bioengineering. He's just a big guy.
MRPYM wrote: Wait, they are only making 5000 copies?
After that its gone?
No. bostria said ( to me, after the Interplanetary) that when this run sells out, they will worry about what to do, but nezt runs won't have the Csu for example. From what I'D understood, there will be other runs after this one. It all depends on how well it sells I guess.
For the love of...
So he posts this morning that the 5000 is it and there will be no more. Then he tells you this piece of information.
Also not sure why they would not have the CSU since it appears to be a brand new Mercenary with a game profile.
Father knight is a little 'heroic scale', as per CB staff. He's the hero of the box and the coolest model, thatt's why. No bioengineering. He's just a big guy.
Which is actually what I liked about the Father-Knight. Shows a bit more dimorphism amongst the personnel than just the standard "males are taller and buffer than females" nonsense.
Sorry for the messy post, on a tablet.
Your post is a piece of classical literature compared to some of the CB posts...
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yeah I felt I should be a bit more civil, don't need to mirror what is going on over at CBs forums.
The solution to make all happy is a 2 sided mat, diagonal on one side, straight on the other.
and such a nice sculpt. Lady Fusilier (and Alguacila) hacker proxies? Othewise 
rder sergents perfection, again; all ALEPH early release -naga dasyu etc..)
" and then someone new to the thread scratching their head with a puzzled expression, wondering why Overtyrant is complaining about the free downloadable rules 
