Pics. Edit: Got ninja'd.

Jacob29 wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Any chance of a link to working Wratihguard pics?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/1erhhu/new_eldar_wraithblade_pictures/

I'd quote them individually, but im a little busy

The spiritseer, why oh why the hand gesture. Holding a spiritstone requires sticking out 2 fingers it seems.

The Wraithblades with swords look really awesome. I just worry that they won't be that great in game. Slow assault units in this edition aren't so hot. I doubt any of Eldar's tanks will change to assault vehicles, although that would rule.

Spiritseer looks okay. I'll probably just use a normal Warlock though. I don't like to feed the "limited quantity" scheme.

The flyer looks about what I was expecting. Pretty good, nothing amazing.

I really want to know the range on Guardians, Dire Avengers, and Wraithguard now.

Well the wraithknights might still be S5/T6 with a 3+ so quite durable. Hopefully the sword/axe means they get some sort of power sword/axe option.

The flyers strike me as very retro 50's Sci-Fi. I think they're pretty cool actually. The Wraithblades are great. The one with the sword to either side is nicely done.

 zedmeister wrote:
Spiritseer: http://i.imgur.com/ilqb7ti.jpg

Wraithblades with, er, blades! http://i.imgur.com/2ymq1te.jpg

I am guessing the Wraithblades might be from the Iyanden supplement given how it shows them fighting against Kraken?

The Lychguard feel gets stronger though. Like Lychguard, it seems the Wraithblades can either go for offensive power (blades) or increased defense (with axe and forcefield).

Latias is that you?

New colour scheme found, I'll take one in white and red and another in blue and white.

 WarlordRob117 wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 WarlordRob117 wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
I knew the wraithknight would have a 3-digit price tag. I fething knew it.

Well, yeah, based on their pricing structure I don't think there was much doubt that it would be $100+. The other large warmachines, i.e. Stompas, Baneblades are the same price, so it stands to reason the 9" mini titan would be around that price. I just don't get why people are continually shocked by GW's pricing. In fact, what is shocking to me is Wraithguard are only 5 for $50.

Getting confirmation the Iyanden book is not necessary for gameplay is good news. I'm all for extra optional books for those that want them, but if it had required 2 books at $100 just to play a specific army build, I think people would have been rightfully furious.

Its not apocalypse model... thats whats wrong with the price... also, 5 dire avengers for the same price as the old 10? if its the same one with no visual upgrade then there is no excuse but greediness

What does it have to do with Apocalypse? So if it was only usable in bigger games played less often, than in every game, if desired, somehow justifies it? The reality is, GW is putting Apocaylpse scale stuff into standard 40k games now, and that's what the Wraithknight is.

And what does Dire Avengers have to do with anything I said? I'm not defending their prices, I'm just saying a massive kit with a high price shouldn't be shocking to anyone. Got a problem with the DA price increase? Buy them now at the current price, or don't buy anything at all if you prefer. GW keeps raising prices because people keep paying it.

Are you kidding? you're the one comparing the wraithknight to apocalypse models and you're asking me what it has to do with Apocalypse?
this not the reality... MCs have been around longer than apocalypse has... I think you have your logic backwards...

Also, the remark that 5 wraithguard are "only" 50 bucks, its actually 60, not 50... they did the same thing with grey knights... 50 bucks for termy sized models, 35 for another troop choice with only 5 models in it... thats garbage and everyone deserves to be shocked... you dont pour money faithfully into a company for years and then have the company turn around and screw you, literally in this case by jacking up prices so high that people are shelling out gobs of cash to keep up with the times... Are you aware of what happens during hyper-inflation? products and companies tank, then everyone, whether they have money or not can say goodbye to the "Greatest minis in the world" (as they call themselves) company.

You said what was wrong with the price, is that it is not an Apocalypse model. How you phrased it seemed to indicate if this was an Apocalypse model, the price would be more understandable. I was comparing Apocalypse models because those are similar size and the same price point. So my question was, what does the PRICE have to do with it not being an Apocalypse model? It's the size that sets the price point, also it will probably have insane rules so people will buy lots of them.
It isn't really comparable to a 2.5" Dreadnought, or even a 4" wraithlord in scale and it just a few inches shy of Warhound titan height.So to say MC have been around longer than Apocalypse is quite irrelevant to anything I'm discussing. This is a small scale Titan being introduced to standard 40k games. To expect that at bargain basement prices is naive at best.

Where did it say they were $60? The release breakdown from yesterday listed them at $50, the same one showing the Dire Avengers at $37 for 5. If if part of that was incorrect, it also reasonble to assume it could all be incorrect/made up until we actually see the prices in White Dwarf, or on the GW website.

If you think the company is doing you a great injustice, you are free to stop supporting them instead of complaining to a stranger online. It will have a marginally greater effect.

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ok, the axes on the wraithblades did NOT work for me.

That second picture, with the sword wielding wraithblades with the gubbins - WANT. WANT WANT WANT.


And if they can get 2 CCWs, AND if you can bury them in shooty units.... they could be quite viable.

Much remains up in the air.

@pretre. Thanks for copying the first post of this thread

Gwyidion wrote:
ok, the axes on the wraithblades did NOT work for me.

That second picture, with the sword wielding wraithblades with the gubbins - WANT. WANT WANT WANT.


And if they can get 2 CCWs, AND if you can bury them in shooty units.... they could be quite viable.

Much remains up in the air.

Look carefully at the Iyanden picture. Those Wraithblades are dual wielding.

 LlamaAgility wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
I added more pics to the first post, inclding bomber, Spiritseer and Wraithguard guns.

 Enigma wrote:
Comparing that Flyer to the aircrafts FW has designed so far for eldar and I'm not impressed at all. It should have Been longer, thinner and more elegant :(

I agree. Nowhere near the elegance of FW models. Too close to exosting fighters. Reminds me of one. Looks close to the F-22:

On topic, I actually really like the eldar flyer model. Then again, I really like nigh every flyer model I've seen. Maybe it's a silent grudge merely for being mainly a SW player who can't have any?

Off topic, how was that pic of the F-22 taken? I like the mental image of a guy hanging by his foot on a wire from a plane with a camera.

Most photos like this are taken through the cameras on the fueling probes of KC-135s.

the ones with axes have some shield attached to their arms. So they have invul saves?

 Kroothawk wrote:
@pretre. Thanks for copying the first post of this thread

I believe he copied my reddit imgur links as the imageshack ones weren't working.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
the ones with axes have some shield attached to their arms. So they have invul saves?

It's the shimmershield.

@Jacob29: Maybe, but after they were posted in the first post: The thread title in his post is proof.

The Wraithknight is amazing... Lets hope the rule are up to par.

Lucarikx

I like the wraiths, sweet mother of God those are sexy.

 zedmeister wrote:

Wraithblades with, er, blades! http://i.imgur.com/2ymq1te.jpg

Those aren't wraith guards... that's wraithlords... in front of the new wraith knight -.-

...wait a minute...
Wow! Those dualwielding guards look awesome! really! Now that's dynamic and awake, not like the statue like ones we've had untill now =)

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
the ones with axes have some shield attached to their arms. So they have invul saves?

It's the shimmershield.

@Jacob29: Maybe, but after they were posted in the first post: The thread title in his post is proof.

oh no ofc I'm not saying otherwise haha. Just saying it wasn't a literal copy and paste

Edit: Oh no he didnt even take the imgur ones. MY BAD! I assumed the imageshack got taken down perhaps, hence they didnt work on front page. Dont I feel silly!

 Kroothawk wrote:
@pretre. Thanks for copying the first post of this thread

I never check the first post and hadn't seen them in the thread.

I do like the blurb about the Wraithblades:

"When called to war, their spiritstone burns with the heat of their malice and only shedding the blood of the craftworld's foes can cool their hate!"

I believe that line is taken directly from the new Linkin Park album.

Those dual wielding wraithguard look pretty great imo. I still think they'll sit on a shelf like lychguard but I'll get 10 even so.

No painted up models for the other craftworlds? Hm.. the whole release is very anti-aspect warrior. My poor Biel Tan.

somebody fetch me a man sized box of kleenex please... :O

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I do like the blurb about the Wraithblades:

"When called to war, their spiritstone burns with the heat of their malice and only shedding the blood of the craftworld's foes can cool their hate!"

I believe that line is taken directly from the new Linkin Park album.

you're killin me dude. people at work are looking at me and I can't explain why I'm laughing so hard.

New releases are looking good. Wraithguard/blades are looking pretty spiffy too.

The underside shot of the bomber makes it look a bit like a duck, but i'm ok with that.

Bet you it is "can take a wraithsword or wraithaxe, can also take a wraithshield or a second wraithweapon"

Thats more than enough for a wraith unit to hold their own against anything that isn't a dedicated CC unit.

As long as you are good enough to keep Assault termies and similar classes of CC units away from wraith units, dayummmmm

Ok, I see me being skint, like flat out broke come payday/pre-orders......

The WraithKnight doesn't look to so awkward now huh, and thank the gods the wraithguard have swords option other then those axes, but I'm guessing they have different stats.

Any pics of them with the guns, I know will be much like the ones already but still wanna.

I think other then the prices a rather honest thanks to GW. Now lets hope the codex is totally broken and I can't possibly lose..

Looking at the pic of the WK front on, I've just come up with my given name to the WraithKnight I'm gonna get...Wraithtimus Prime

Damn, the size of that knight and that is one badass pic of the guards and lords about to take on some tyranid filth!


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I solely want an army of guards lords and a knight.


edit: my view on the price has calmed, it looks on par with the stompa scale and impact.

I was looking forward to seeing the Eldar flyer, given that I love the Nightwing, Phoenix and Vampire.

Kinda disappointed, doesn't really look sleek like the other Eldar flyers from Forge World. It looks fat and stubby and disproportionate.

I liked the Forge World Eldar flyers because they looked like some of the few 40k aircraft that would actually be capable of flight, this one doesn't look like that so much.

What are the 2 arm guns on the Wraithknight? Is it the S6 small blast gun or is it the anti-tank weapon? The look of the gun seems to have the triple pod of the star cannon at the rear but the long barrel of a lance. Looks like a blend like the Dark Eldar heat lance.

Not too sold on the axes yet...but everything else is looking awesome! Can't wait for this release. I really hope we can get some pictures of the new jetbikes soon!

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Damn, the size of that knight and that is one badass pic of the guards and lords about to take on some tyranid filth!


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I solely want an army of guards lords and a knight.


edit: my view on the price has calmed, it looks on par with the stompa scale and impact.

The Wraithknight is huge, no doubt about it. But with how thin it is, it can't be as many sprues as the stompa. Big $$$ profit for GW.

The Wraithguard with swords.. they are great, I love em. Choice between 2 swords and sword/shield or 2h axe seems likely.

Iracundus wrote:
What are the 2 arm guns on the Wraithknight? Is it the S6 small blast gun or is it the anti-tank weapon? The look of the gun seems to have the triple pod of the star cannon at the rear but the long barrel of a lance. Looks like a blend like the Dark Eldar heat lance.

Given what we've seen so far my money's on "Wraithlance".

Wonder what the rules would be for the Wraithknight with sword. Seems to be a big thing to give up an arm slot for.

Now we also know the Wraithknight can have star cannons on its shoulders (or shuriken cannons based on the still newer pictures), not just scatter lasers.

I really like the new models. I will surely have to add a bit to my Eldar army of more than 20 years. At those prices, I'll likely keep my metal Wraithguard and just buy the new plastics to build a few of the version with swords.

I can't imagine why something like the Spiritseer is limited though when it's sure to be a good seller. GW's marketing and production tactics these days are at times mind boggling, they strive to maximize profit and profit margins at every opportunity, but then can't meet the demand of the sales frenzy on release weekend for popular model ranges. The staff at my local GW store are already looking quite concerned at the sales they may not be able to get on release day, I think they are feeling a bit sabotaged by GW Corporate. Every time they have a chance to readily make their required sales figures for the month, GW HQ messes them up somehow with too little to sell of the most popular items. It happened with the Tau and with the bundle deal on Wall Of Martyrs back in December. Just the one store has lost thousands of dollars in sales from just those two fiascos alone. Now they have been forewarned to expect supply problems on the new Eldar too.

With the price of the Wraithknight set at $115 US I don't care to think what the price of Baneblade, Shadowsword, and Stompa will be when the annual price increase hits in about two weeks. If you were thinking of buying those models soon I'd do it immediately. $130? $149.50? Last year the Stormraven increased by $16.50, and those Apocalypse kits went from $99 to $115, so who knows.

Here's a review of the Wraithknight from Pins Of War:
http://pinsofwar.com/the-eldar-wraithknight-arrives-a-review/

Eberious wrote:
Any pics of them with the guns, I know will be much like the ones already but still wanna.

See first post for all pics. They are found in the Wraithknight pic with ranged weapons.

Seeing as they look to be able to take both swords and axes, I wonder if the wraithguard just get power weapons, and can take what they want from the normal selection? Wraithmauls and wraithspears maybe? Or if they can mix and match, so they can do the sword/axe combo.

Pictures are fun, in in general look good for this release, but I want to get my hand on the codex and see how it all fits together.

Looking forward to this release.

Wow. The WG sculpts are really nice.

Damn I really want one but I must hold off until the apoc book comes out or if it is SM next. I need a big ass model.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Eberious wrote:
Any pics of them with the guns, I know will be much like the ones already but still wanna.

See first post for all pics. They are found in the Wraithknight pic with ranged weapons.

Just seen it now, that WG new gun looks fricken sweet. Sounds like a template weapon.

cheers

Post from a facebook friend of mine:

White dwarf rules:

- From what I saw all the non Wraith infantry have the run/shoot shoot/run ability (the rule was called Battle something). Avengers definitely do (from the report) and Rangers definitely do (from tiny printed profile in the WD) as well. Not sure if its just for Shuriken weapons (Rangers do have Pistols I guess).

- It looks likes all Eldar have the 'Ancient Foe' special rule, no idea what this does but I suspect its something like Hatred Daemons of Slaneesh (don't think it was Necron related as the report was against Crons) since all Eldar appear to have it (including the Wraith units).

- There are 14 Eldar specific psychic powers from 2 different charts, Runes of Battle and Runes of Fate. However it looks like several of the powers are 2 in 1, i.e they have a buff mode and a debuff mode, so there are actually HEAPS of powers. I.e the Primaris for Battle is Conceal/Reveal (as a single card/roll etc), Conceal gives you Shrouded and Reveal removes Shrouded from an enemy. The 1 on the Battle Chart was Destructor/Renew(?), Destructor being the same as before with Soul Blaze added and Renew allowing you to restore a wound to a friendy model within range (18" I think). Primaris for Runes of Fate was Guide, which is now 24" range but is otherwise the exact same as before. Very surprising to see this as aside from the range it is far worse than the Divination Primaris (although I guess you could take both and effectively Guide two units). The 1 on the Fate Chart was a terrible Focuses Witchfire power. Fortune and Doom are still options (the Farseer in the report had them) and appear to have the same effects.

- The Avatar has Fleet. Also one of the psychic powers increases your movement speed/charge range somehow

- The Wraithknight is insanely huge, it is literally twice the height of a Wraithlord, and the sword option it can take is basically the size of a Wraithlord as well. It can take up to 2 Suncannons, which are S6 AP2 Heavy 3 Small Blast or up to 2 Wraithlances(?) which are presumably the heavy anti tank option. Sword replaces one of the big guns I think (they are arm mounted like the Titans). This is in addition to the two shoulder mounted heavy weapons (I saw Scatters and Starcannons, so presumably the normal range of heavy weapons are available)

- Wraithguard and Wraithblades look good, think scaled down Wraithlords. They looked a bit bigger than the old ones, but I think it was partly just the added range of motion in the poses on 40mm bases (similar to the old 25mm base Terminators vs the newer 40mm base ones, they are bigger but the better poses help as well). Wraithguard can now get either Wraithcannons (which from the fluff descriptions seemed to still be single shot and very powerful) or D Scythes which were described as a multi shot weapon but it could still Pen vehicles on a 6. Wraithblades are only 1A base (sadly) but looked like they could go either 2 CCW (no idea on stats of their weapons, but they appeared to have sword/axe options) or 1 CCW + Shield gen arm.

- Wraithguard are definitely S5 T6, Lord is almost certainly not T6 (a full unit of Destroyers shot one in the report and did nothing, which suggests T8 or some other equivalent buff). No idea on the stats for the Knight.

- It looks like Aspect Warriors have the same base profile, include Exarches with Ld9

- Reapers have Slow and Purposeful

- Rangers have WS4. They also have a character (not sure if he is upgrade or HQ) who has a 120" range Sniper Rifle.

- One of the fliers has 2 Heavy D Scythes on the wings and a psychic based main gun. The other has 2 Bright Lances and a Pulse Laser.

- Saw stats for what looked like special weapons for characters, might have been for Special Characters as well since the 120" range sniper was in there. One weapon was +2S, AP- Melee, Rending, Fleshbane, Instant Death. Another was +1S AP3, Soul Blaze, and if you killed anything with Soul Blaze then every unit within 6" of that unit would become effected by Soul Blaze as well. There was also a one use only piece of wargear, which you could use when the character died. On a 2+ you place a S4 AP3 template over the character, hitting both friend and foe, but if you cause at least 1 wound then the character stands back up with 1 wound. Last one I saw was an item which gave the user Fearless, Shrouded, Stealth and re-roll cover saves but they lose the IC rule, which gives people a way to make a Solitare (the name was something to do with the Laughing God).

I love these models for the CC Waithguard, they are just brilliant, love the new sculpts a lot...

Iracundus wrote:
Wonder what the rules would be for the Wraithknight with sword. Seems to be a big thing to give up an arm slot for.

Now we also know the Wraithknight can have star cannons on its shoulders (or shuriken cannons based on the still newer pictures), not just scatter lasers.

Given that you're hitting something with a weapon the size of a house, the fanboy in me says "If you score a hit, the target is dead, destroyed, gone. Period."

More images here:

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?26142-Eldar-Rumour-Titbits/page112

Includes some information about the Hemlock (the bomber) and its D-scythes. Seems to part enemies from their souls and be good against groups. The pilot is a spiritseer apparently. The D-scythe seems also a Wraithguard option.

The Crimson Hunter is the fighter and is a new Aspect. Pulse laser centreline armament with side bright lances. Exarch can exchange lances for starcannons. Says something about unusual helmet for the pilot but it looks Guardian-like to me. Wonder if the Exarch gets Exarch powers?

 Superscope wrote:
Post from a facebook friend of mine:

White dwarf rules:

- From what I saw all the non Wraith infantry have the run/shoot shoot/run ability (the rule was called Battle something). Avengers definitely do (from the report) and Rangers definitely do (from tiny printed profile in the WD) as well. Not sure if its just for Shuriken weapons (Rangers do have Pistols I guess).

- It looks likes all Eldar have the 'Ancient Foe' special rule, no idea what this does but I suspect its something like Hatred Daemons of Slaneesh (don't think it was Necron related as the report was against Crons) since all Eldar appear to have it (including the Wraith units).

- There are 14 Eldar specific psychic powers from 2 different charts, Runes of Battle and Runes of Fate. However it looks like several of the powers are 2 in 1, i.e they have a buff mode and a debuff mode, so there are actually HEAPS of powers. I.e the Primaris for Battle is Conceal/Reveal (as a single card/roll etc), Conceal gives you Shrouded and Reveal removes Shrouded from an enemy. The 1 on the Battle Chart was Destructor/Renew(?), Destructor being the same as before with Soul Blaze added and Renew allowing you to restore a wound to a friendy model within range (18" I think). Primaris for Runes of Fate was Guide, which is now 24" range but is otherwise the exact same as before. Very surprising to see this as aside from the range it is far worse than the Divination Primaris (although I guess you could take both and effectively Guide two units). The 1 on the Fate Chart was a terrible Focuses Witchfire power. Fortune and Doom are still options (the Farseer in the report had them) and appear to have the same effects.

- The Avatar has Fleet. Also one of the psychic powers increases your movement speed/charge range somehow

- The Wraithknight is insanely huge, it is literally twice the height of a Wraithlord, and the sword option it can take is basically the size of a Wraithlord as well. It can take up to 2 Suncannons, which are S6 AP2 Heavy 3 Small Blast or up to 2 Wraithlances(?) which are presumably the heavy anti tank option. Sword replaces one of the big guns I think (they are arm mounted like the Titans). This is in addition to the two shoulder mounted heavy weapons (I saw Scatters and Starcannons, so presumably the normal range of heavy weapons are available)

- Wraithguard and Wraithblades look good, think scaled down Wraithlords. They looked a bit bigger than the old ones, but I think it was partly just the added range of motion in the poses on 40mm bases (similar to the old 25mm base Terminators vs the newer 40mm base ones, they are bigger but the better poses help as well). Wraithguard can now get either Wraithcannons (which from the fluff descriptions seemed to still be single shot and very powerful) or D Scythes which were described as a multi shot weapon but it could still Pen vehicles on a 6. Wraithblades are only 1A base (sadly) but looked like they could go either 2 CCW (no idea on stats of their weapons, but they appeared to have sword/axe options) or 1 CCW + Shield gen arm.

- Wraithguard are definitely S5 T6, Lord is almost certainly not T6 (a full unit of Destroyers shot one in the report and did nothing, which suggests T8 or some other equivalent buff). No idea on the stats for the Knight.

- It looks like Aspect Warriors have the same base profile, include Exarches with Ld9

- Reapers have Slow and Purposeful

- Rangers have WS4. They also have a character (not sure if he is upgrade or HQ) who has a 120" range Sniper Rifle.

- One of the fliers has 2 Heavy D Scythes on the wings and a psychic based main gun. The other has 2 Bright Lances and a Pulse Laser.

- Saw stats for what looked like special weapons for characters, might have been for Special Characters as well since the 120" range sniper was in there. One weapon was +2S, AP- Melee, Rending, Fleshbane, Instant Death. Another was +1S AP3, Soul Blaze, and if you killed anything with Soul Blaze then every unit within 6" of that unit would become effected by Soul Blaze as well. There was also a one use only piece of wargear, which you could use when the character died. On a 2+ you place a S4 AP3 template over the character, hitting both friend and foe, but if you cause at least 1 wound then the character stands back up with 1 wound. Last one I saw was an item which gave the user Fearless, Shrouded, Stealth and re-roll cover saves but they lose the IC rule, which gives people a way to make a Solitare (the name was something to do with the Laughing God).

Isnt this powerguy's post?


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HOLY CRAP CHECK THAT PIC OF THE IYANDEN ARMY!!! Those knights are just menacing.

http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1369141957955.jpg

Holy, those wraithknights are huge!!

 Superscope wrote:

- Saw stats for what looked like special weapons for characters, might have been for Special Characters as well since the 120" range sniper was in there. One weapon was +2S, AP- Melee, Rending, Fleshbane, Instant Death. Another was +1S AP3, Soul Blaze, and if you killed anything with Soul Blaze then every unit within 6" of that unit would become effected by Soul Blaze as well. There was also a one use only piece of wargear, which you could use when the character died. On a 2+ you place a S4 AP3 template over the character, hitting both friend and foe, but if you cause at least 1 wound then the character stands back up with 1 wound. Last one I saw was an item which gave the user Fearless, Shrouded, Stealth and re-roll cover saves but they lose the IC rule, which gives people a way to make a Solitare (the name was something to do with the Laughing God)[.

Now that is very cool. I like this new wargear. If it's just Special Character weapons then no biggie, but the flame template sounds very cool and has that great risk factor involved with it. A nice example of the Eldar ethos that begs the question, do you risk losing this Eldar warrior to kill a bunch of your enemies or doom yourself altogether? Very somber. I like it.

The flyer does look like it came from one of the Robotech (southern Cross flyer?) series, a bit rounded but still very much the same.

The Knight has the same feeling about it, Batttech/Robotech....

I love it. The flyer will look good besides my nightwing

The Wraithguard in both variants = definite win, I'm hoping that the axe/shield version is a terminator killing specialist.

The Flyer... hmmm, I really like it with the 'vertebrae' and tailfin, the other version looks off.

That IS a better angled photo of the walker, still not 100% on it though, perhaps some work on it will pay off, I am VERY glad it comes in a duel weapon wielding version, which the tau one for no rational reason does not.

The ghost guiding fellow is ok. I will point out that the 'horns' hand gesture was a magician's thing a lot longer than it was a 'metal' thing. And it has historical reference in Eldar art and symbols along with High Elf symbols and banners (teclis, moon etc), as the original meaning was to ward against the evil eye or other magical attacks.





And that sniper figure is grade A beautiful and will be coming home with me.

Eldar allies for my Dark Eldar is a go.

@unmercifulconker

I'm not sure, i'm just passing along the information i've seen from another person from facebook.

So as to save you from clicking:

 Superscope wrote:
@unmercifulconker

I'm not sure, i'm just passing along the information i've seen from another person from facebook.

haha sorry I just thought your friend was trying to take credit.


Ok I will be a complete hypocrite but a knight has been marked down on my wishlist, even though I dont have an eldar army and my space marine chapters dont like xenos too well.

Just realised my birthday is coming up soon as well.

Duck bomber gonna crap on you!!
I like the wraiths as cc tarpits, will likely also get 10: hopefully I can magnet them.
I am q fan of the giant.

As for price eh, I started so long ago that everything they put out.seems retsrdedly priced now. Am i mad? Annoyed, but then again, I make enough that not gonna kill me. What gw did do is make me limit what I buy to armies I use (got rid if tau, dark eldar and necrons, ) and to units I actually like.

Firstworldproblemsdawg


Eg. I have csm, but ill be danged before I rock. DInobot on the table. I use raptors and spawn. If its not suoercompetitive,.I could care less.

Also just subtract 20% on the price to see what most of you.will get to pay from online and friendly retailers. It's not the end of the world.

As for aspects, this doesn't bother me, I like new units and tbh if you really thougt they were going to redo the whole aspect line, you.were wishfully hoping. Plastic new kits not bad.

Now we only need the acutal codex

resipsa wrote:
Firstworldproblemsdawg

True dat playa!

Since i have to fight against a rather oppresive eldar overlord in our gaming area (Talking 5-6000pts here, with titans and apoc fliers) i'm NOT going to enjoy fighting the new stuff.

At least GW gave me some tasty new tools <-- (tau player)

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Now we only need the acutal codex

The new one seems to be due by June 8.

Iracundus wrote:
You didn't read the bit about wraithbone self-repair did you? That alone removes the limitation of material from existing constructs as they will repair given enough time, and wraithbone production can't really be cut off short of losing every Bonesinger. Once again the limitation is not of material shortage but of time. This is utterly different from the Imperium which relies on materials which can run short such as the various ores and metals like adamantium, or promethium. If a vein of ore runs out, then unless new sources are found, production lines shut down even if they are fully staffed with skilled personnel. A Bonesinger can produce wraithbone endlessly so long as they live, and that is a limitation of the Eldar life rather than that of wraithbone itself.

N amount of wraithbone can be produced and processed in Y amount of time, resulting in the creation of X number of Shurkien Catapults.

N amount of ore can be mined and processed in Y amount of time, resulting the the creation of X number of Bolters.

Horribly long tl;dr - it's not about the total possible amount of material in existence and instead about the total amount of material available for processing at any given time. The only difference between human and Eldar manufacturing is that Eldar always have near perfect ratio balance between material supply and processing capacity, since bonesingers both produce and process wraithbone. The end effect is exactly the same - there can only be N titans, catapults, falcons or spoons produced at any given time because there's Y amount of material provided.

I have to applaud you on your ability to split hairs on what exactly is the limiting factor in Eldar manufacturing while totally ignoring the rest of the arguments as to why not every Eldar is piloting it's personal titan. Which was, you know, the original point. Truly, Dakka is strong in you.

 pretre wrote:
So as to save you from clicking:

LOOK AT THAT MECH, JUST LOOK AT IT!

GODDAMMIT... I really wanted to hate these models.

I thought the Tau had some epic sculpts, but this is just insane.

Ill confess I am partly getting a small eldar attachment with a knight because I am scared of fighting one.

I mean come on look at the size of its sword, anything hit by that death machine would just get squashed by the size of it rather than sliced, it doesnt even need to have power weapon like properties, who the hell is gonna keep walking after being hit with a titan like sword?

All my Templars, DIY marines and Khorne are close combat, how the hell am I going to beat that.

The choices I'll be making for using the stocked up store credit I've got are firming up around the WG and planes.

Definitely will be getting those limited Spiritseer and Sniper models, too.

It's also nice to see that the WK's legs are jointed and somewhat poseable. Also, the arms look much better than in the initial pics, where they looked short due to the photography.

Man, that Iyanden army looks schweet. Those Wraithknights are just giantanormous.

The picture of the Wraith-Knight in Iyanden colours, striding forward with sword drawn is bad ass. Makes the kit look so much better.

Yeah, I kinda want one just because.

Perhaps someone mentioned it and I missed it but dont the tanks look a bit different in that photo? I know they said in an early rumor list we are getting a new tank chasis?

I love the wraithseer. Love the old Eldar farseer helmets and glad they are coming out with this. In others experience how hard is it usually to get these limited releases?

The WK towers above WG in the pic. Just imagine what it will look like with guardians on the field. Will need Warlocks to protect them from the ground shock walking near them! LOL!

Can't wait until someone casts invisibility on one.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Horribly long tl;dr - it's not about the total possible amount of material in existence and instead about the total amount of material available for processing at any given time. The only difference between human and Eldar manufacturing is that Eldar always have near perfect ratio balance between material supply and processing capacity, since bonesingers both produce and process wraithbone. The end effect is exactly the same - there can only be N titans, catapults, falcons or spoons produced at any given time because there's Y amount of material provided.

If you don't take the time to read then you obviously don't understand what you are talking about or the Eldar background. If you are going to argue a point or respond to another person's post, you need to read their content.

It is about the amount of material in existence because that is a limit on the Imperium but not the Eldar. That is why the Imperium had to go increase the tithes imposed on Taros, because a forgeworld had increased production needs, and that ultimately led to a campaign because Taros had had its ore depleted because it had been trading with the Tau. The limited sources of ore, limited by geography, are a limitation and it is a depletable non-renewable resource. The Eldar production is only limited by the actual production facility (i.e. the Bonesinger's capacity). There is no non-renewable resource being consumed by the Eldar production. So long as the Bonesinger can sing, wraithbone can be produced. The supply chain is therefore virtually non-existent short of feeding the Bonesinger. This matters in that it creates vulnerabilities in the Imperium's production whether due to enemy action or the normal problems of logistics and shipping.

The two production economies work under differing limitations that limit what can be done, and it is not splitting hairs. The Imperium's economy trundles along consuming all sorts of non-renewable resources. The Eldar don't. The Imperium produces on a production line. The Eldar appear to go for a craftsman approach. Their differing ways create differing effects, such as rendering Craftworlds far more self-sufficient compared to Imperial worlds reliant on endless imports to keep production up.

The same sort of limitations exist partially in the real world. An average potter making your average non-specialized pottery is not limited by clay to any realistic degree since they do not need specialized clay. Normal clay is widely available and not about to run out any time. The only limitation to pottery output would be how much work the potter can put in. Since he does not need specialized materials, he is not vulnerable to a small number of limited sources being cut off or exhausted.

The eldar are all about the fluff man... if you dont read it whats the point?

As for the BRep, I really want to know about the shuricats, did they improve or do they still suck?

Holy shiza!

I've built and painted a Dreamforge Leviathan. It's a whopping 8.5" tall or so. This model is going to be slighly taller....

That's insane for a standard table top and honestly is enough for me to grab one just for fun. I mean I bought a Leviathan that is in the same price range, why not this (and at least this comes with all the weapon options, likely).

The Wraithguard are pure win with a single clip to remove that extra fin on their heads.

Fighters are weird. Not sure I like them but I'll hold off judgement until I see it in person for proportions.

Overall looking like a solid release for Eldar, even if they doubled the cost of the Dire Avengers. But I picked up 40 of those at 20% off the current price recently.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So as to save you from clicking:

LOOK AT THAT MECH, JUST LOOK AT IT!

Someone should pose a Revenant and Phantom alongside them to complete the series of Eldar walkers. We have Wraithguard -> Wraithlord -> Wraithknight all in one shot.

I really hope that Wraithknight sword has some special rules to make it stand out rather than being the "cheap economy" weapon option. Being hit by that sword looks like it should hurt given the pose of that running Wraithknight.

Also, is that shot from the heraldry book? It shows alternative color schemes for the flyer.

Dear Lord, I got trolled. Hard. No other explanation comes to mind right now.

Anyway, the Knight looks absolutely awesome next to the mass infantry. I'm still going to make a demon engine out of it though.

OK I am now officially even more stoked for the Eldar release, and I didn't think that were possible!

Eldar shopping list for me:

Codex
power cards
one of each flyer
Wraithknight (maybe)
Wraithguard & Wraithblades (10 of each possibly)
Sniper SC
Spirit seer
Swooping Hawks (dependent on rules)

I can see the rest of my Ogre army being put on the backburner for a long while!!

Well, here's a Revenant Titan comparison with a guardian.


I reckon that the Wraithknight probably comes up to its chest

resipsa wrote:
The eldar are all about the fluff man... if you dont read it whats the point?

I have never read all of the fluff in any codex. I've tried, but to me it reads like bad fan fiction.

The point for me is playing the game, and doing some modeling and painting.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Eberious wrote:
Any pics of them with the guns, I know will be much like the ones already but still wanna.

See first post for all pics. They are found in the Wraithknight pic with ranged weapons.

A random observation but what are those round oval shaped openings on either side of the chest? They look like either intake or exhaust vents. The Revenant has jump jets and the Wraithknight seems to share the shoulder vents/intake look of the Revenant. Does the Wraithknight jump at all?

Ill check this thread again later, off to watch the xbox pre show which I did not know starts in 8 minutes, my body is not ready, farewell for now.

 whembly wrote:


For gods sake! Make 'em immune to poison. They're walking constructs ('cept for the WraithKnight?)

They had damn well better NOT be immune to poison.

unmercifulconker wrote:

resipsa wrote:
Firstworldproblemsdawg

True dat playa!

Iracundus wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Horribly long tl;dr - it's not about the total possible amount of material in existence and instead about the total amount of material available for processing at any given time. The only difference between human and Eldar manufacturing is that Eldar always have near perfect ratio balance between material supply and processing capacity, since bonesingers both produce and process wraithbone. The end effect is exactly the same - there can only be N titans, catapults, falcons or spoons produced at any given time because there's Y amount of material provided.

If you don't take the time to read then you obviously don't understand what you are talking about or the Eldar background. If you are going to argue a point or respond to another person's post, you need to read their content.

It is about the amount of material in existence because that is a limit on the Imperium but not the Eldar. That is why the Imperium had to go increase the tithes imposed on Taros, because a forgeworld had increased production needs, and that ultimately led to a campaign because Taros had had its ore depleted because it had been trading with the Tau. The limited sources of ore, limited by geography, are a limitation and it is a depletable non-renewable resource. The Eldar production is only limited by the actual production facility (i.e. the Bonesinger's capacity). There is no non-renewable resource being consumed by the Eldar production. So long as the Bonesinger can sing, wraithbone can be produced. The supply chain is therefore virtually non-existent short of feeding the Bonesinger. This matters in that it creates vulnerabilities in the Imperium's production whether due to enemy action or the normal problems of logistics and shipping.

The two production economies work under differing limitations that limit what can be done, and it is not splitting hairs. The Imperium's economy trundles along consuming all sorts of non-renewable resources. The Eldar don't. The Imperium produces on a production line. The Eldar appear to go for a craftsman approach. Their differing ways create differing effects, such as rendering Craftworlds far more self-sufficient compared to Imperial worlds reliant on endless imports to keep production up.

The same sort of limitations exist partially in the real world. An average potter making your average non-specialized pottery is not limited by clay to any realistic degree since they do not need specialized clay. Normal clay is widely available and not about to run out any time. The only limitation to pottery output would be how much work the potter can put in. Since he does not need specialized materials, he is not vulnerable to a small number of limited sources being cut off or exhausted.

I enjoyed that

zedmeister wrote:Well, here's a Revenant Titan comparison with a guardian.



I reckon that the Wraithknight probably comes up to its chest

Dude its like the guardian got his big brother to come out and fight on his behalf.

undertow wrote:

resipsa wrote:
The eldar are all about the fluff man... if you dont read it whats the point?

I have never read all of the fluff in any codex. I've tried, but to me it reads like bad fan fiction.

The point for me is playing the game, and doing some modeling and painting.

Its written by guys who are not necessarily good at fluff. I get your point on modeling, I'm similar and I started painting these things long before I started playing, but at 50 for a book you should really at least give it a read. Its like buying lobster, throwing out the meat and spanking to the shell....


Lastly, anyone see how the reapers fared and the guardians fared? How about the vehicles?

I hope the powers are decent so I can run an ulthwe list again.

It's a true love/hate relationship with GW. I thought I pretty much had everything I need with a 10,000 point painted Eldar army. I can see a couple thousand more points being bought and built. This model release......wow......

thats me sold I love the new eldar stuff. need a few flyers a few knights and few sets of wraitgaurd.

damn its going to be a very expensive month

Can the flyers be taken singly or in multiple ala vendetta?

I usually don't worry about the rules too much till the Codex is released, but I know some people can't wait:

Bell of Lost Souls
Eldar Tidal Wave (start here, don't stop - trust me)
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?26142-Eldar-Rumour-Titbits%2Fpage110

 BrassScorpion wrote:
I usually don't worry about the rules too much till the Codex is released, but I know some people can't wait:

Bell of Lost Souls
Eldar Tidal Wave (start here, don't stop - trust me)
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?26142-Eldar-Rumour-Titbits%2Fpage110

That page just quotes Dakka. lol

Any info on the subcodex? Is it truly a codex with rules, units and such? I mean, it better be since it cost just as much as the standard codex!

I'm just drooling at such possibilities for Orks! (Snakebita, EvilSunz, etc...)

 pretre wrote:

 BrassScorpion wrote:
I usually don't worry about the rules too much till the Codex is released, but I know some people can't wait:

Bell of Lost Souls
Eldar Tidal Wave (start here, don't stop - trust me)
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?26142-Eldar-Rumour-Titbits%2Fpage110

That page just quotes Dakka. lol

and poorly.

With my 4500pts of eldar I thought I had enough too, then I saw the wraithguard/blades, knight and fliers.

That was when I knew I wasn't yet done with my beloved Eldar.

Does anyone know any more rules? Like if Falcons are now DT not Heavy Support?

Darn I don't have enough money's for all my wishing. I think codex, bomber and spiritseer shall have to do till next pay day

I don't see jetbikes. Please god let there be new jetbikes.

The release details refer to a windrider squad but has anyone validated whether these are redesigns?


EDIT


OK - just seen that they're repackaged. Feels churlish to be annoyed at this given the great new stuff there is but seems like a huge missed opportunity. Fingers crossed for a second wave. the

Is that a new skimmer variant back centre of the Iyanden picture?

Can't seem to magnify the pic..

stonegiant wrote:
Is that a new skimmer variant back centre of the Iyanden picture?

Can't seem to magnify the pic..

Nope it is a fire prism

stonegiant wrote:
Is that a new skimmer variant back centre of the Iyanden picture?

Can't seem to magnify the pic..

looks like a fire prism to me with the turret pointing towards the camera



darn beaten to it XD

Yep, definately getting a knight now, thank you Dakka, I couldnt have been persuaded without you.

Im scared of that thing.
time to get started on my DE so i can pump it full of poison.

stonegiant wrote:
Is that a new skimmer variant back centre of the Iyanden picture?

Can't seem to magnify the pic..

No, it's a Fire Prism. If you look carefully you can spot the prism part.

Damn they are big!

Wraith knight still looks terrible, but the new flyers actually fit Eldar aesthetic. Surprising.

Is it just me or did they just put a apoc sized kit in the eldar army?

stonegiant wrote:
Is that a new skimmer variant back centre of the Iyanden picture?

Can't seem to magnify the pic..

No, it's the current Fire Prism.

I don't see why there is so much optimism about stuff coming in a wave 2, that release format seems to have been abandoned. There hasn't been a wave 2 for Chaos, DA, or Tau, i.e. all the new releases. I think from now on we should expect to just see a single, limited wave of models on codex release.

Oryza Sativa wrote:

stonegiant wrote:
Is that a new skimmer variant back centre of the Iyanden picture?

Can't seem to magnify the pic..

No, it's the current Fire Prism.

I don't see why there is so much optimism about stuff coming in a wave 2, that release format seems to have been abandoned. There hasn't been a wave 2 for Chaos, DA, or Tau, i.e. all the new releases. I think from now on we should expect to just see a single, limited wave of models on codex release.

For now at least. Eventually all the codices will be updated(If that is what they're doing), and then they may start updating older sculpts.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
For now at least. Eventually all the codices will be updated(If that is what they're doing), and then they may start updating older sculpts.

On a long enough timeline, I'm sure everything will get updated. Not really relevant though if you're talking about the 10th edition Eldar Codex.

I'm overall disappointed.

The new farseer is beautiful, and Illic is a great, great sculpt. But the rest is underwhelming.

The Flyer looks stubby, the wrathknight is impressive but a little childish in design and the chest is ridiculous.

The spirit seer looks out of proportion in a Rogue Trader era kind of way. Really un-dynamic.

I do like the Wraithguard/blades but they could be a little more dynamic.

I think the elegance and mysteriousness of the Eldar seems to have been drained a little, except for the farseer and illic.

Perhaps i built it up in my head too much.

FTL

 pretre wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
For now at least. Eventually all the codices will be updated(If that is what they're doing), and then they may start updating older sculpts.

On a long enough timeline, I'm sure everything will get updated. Not really relevant though if you're talking about the 10th edition Eldar Codex.

What i meant was, I'm assuming that they may update all the codices during 6th edition, and then release new kits such as new banshees or stormboys(or whatever) after that. That's conjecture mind, don't bother adding me to the rumor-tracker.

Will the Wraithking be elite like the Riptide or HS as the Dreadknight,
and will the flyers be FA as the Tau flyers and the GK Stormraven?

Anyone seen the weapons page leak yet? ( if there is one..)

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Anyone seen the weapons page leak yet? ( if there is one..)

Everything we know is posted here.

Oh Snap Son!
After years of my personal Boycott. I feel I must come down from the mountain and buy some of this if not anything but to convert and paint….
These are the most intriguing models done by GW in years….
Illic Nightspear=Sold, CC Wraithguard=Sold
I can customize Wraithguard into dynamic poses with Melee or Range weapons…. Oh My! Razors, jewelers saw, greenstuff at the ready.
Damn GW…
Question… what ever happened to the warpspiders redone? Pure rumor?

 pretre wrote:

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Anyone seen the weapons page leak yet? ( if there is one..)

Everything we know is posted here.

That's not really much but is in accordance with GW's policy of desinformation.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
For now at least. Eventually all the codices will be updated(If that is what they're doing), and then they may start updating older sculpts.

On a long enough timeline, I'm sure everything will get updated. Not really relevant though if you're talking about the 10th edition Eldar Codex.

What i meant was, I'm assuming that they may update all the codices during 6th edition, and then release new kits such as new banshees or stormboys(or whatever) after that. That's conjecture mind, don't bother adding me to the rumor-tracker.

See, I think that's almost certainly the plan. Rip through most of the codicies to get them updated, then focus on supplements and campaign books that'll allow them to do additional waves for multiple armies, PP-style.

I'm a little disappointed that there won't be new jetbikes because I'd like to use them for conversion work. But the minis we're getting look good. No complaints here. I really like the flyers...they may have traded some "sleekness" for more "badass" but I'm fine with that.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 pretre wrote:

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Anyone seen the weapons page leak yet? ( if there is one..)

Everything we know is posted here.

That's not really much but is in accordance with GW's policy of desinformation.

We have a fair amount of WD pages in the first post. And I think it is more accurate to call it a policy of silence than disinformation.

 pretre wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 pretre wrote:

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Anyone seen the weapons page leak yet? ( if there is one..)

Everything we know is posted here.

That's not really much but is in accordance with GW's policy of desinformation.

We have a fair amount of WD pages in the first post. And I think it is more accurate to call it a policy of silence than disinformation.

You're right about the disinformation if you want a more positive term for it.

I dont think spiders are getting anything on the model front.

The aircraft.... Horrible. May be in contention for worst design yet, next to the SM chickenhawk.

I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I think that is just the fire prism

Never-mind stupid work computer lag, dam glad I'm done my guard and going to work on Eldar because with those rumored prices I'd not be able to afford collecting both at the same time.

anyone notice yet that the wraith knight is a fully posable amd movable ACTION FIGURE?!?!?

check out the different pictures, the head, arms, hands, and legs all move!!!

The first pic we saw the hand is open, the one with the dual lances the fists are closed!! eaqch wraith knight in the iyaden is posed in a different stance with the head in a different direction.

I think that bad boy is looking to be worth the dollars!!!!

"I love the Wraithknight, hate the new flyer."

"I hate the Wraithknight, love the new flyer."

Perhaps for fun someone could count the number of these contrary posts in this thread.

anyone notice yet that the wraith knight is a fully posable amd movable

The Riptide is also incredibly dynamic and flexible in possible poses if the pins in the joints are removed as suggested in the directions. A great new trend from GW on the larger kits.

 BrassScorpion wrote:

"I love the Wraithknight, hate the new flyer."

"I hate the Wraithknight, love the new flyer."

Perhaps for fun someone could count the number of these contrary posts in this thread.

nyone notice yet that the wraith knight is a fully posable amd movable

The Riptide is also incredibly dynamic and flexible in possible poses if the pins in the joints are removed as suggested in the directions. A great new trend from GW on the larger kits.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!! the picts only started showing up on page 40ish so its only 30 pages to download.

Am I the only person who wants to mod one of the knights to be kicking a demon of slaanesh or a hive tyrant in the chest THIS IS SPARTA style?

 djones520 wrote:
The aircraft.... Horrible. May be in contention for worst design yet, next to the SM chickenhawk.

I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I don't think it's as bad as any of the Space Marine flyers, but yeah, it is a big disappointment for me. The two major problems I have with it, they didn't make it long and sleek like existing Eldar flyers, which is one of the things I like about existing Eldar flyers. Secondly, what's the deal with the stupid arse gunpods? If it weren't for the gunpods, I might think it could actually possibly fly, but the gunpods just ruin it for me.

I love everything, except the prices. Good lord...

Could be fun to model the knight in the standard "stepping on a fallen enemy" pose, but scaled up to his massive size.

Perhaps he could be stepping on a rhino with the top plate heated and bent so he's denting it in.

 Tuagh wrote:
Could be fun to model the knight in the standard "stepping on a fallen enemy" pose, but scaled up to his massive size.

Perhaps he could be stepping on a rhino with the top plate heated and bent so he's denting it in.

A Rhino is a bit small for that. I'd go for a Land Raider or battlewagon. Riptides are about the right side to be stepping on a Rhino, and I've seen a few modeled that way already.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:

 Tuagh wrote:
Could be fun to model the knight in the standard "stepping on a fallen enemy" pose, but scaled up to his massive size.

Perhaps he could be stepping on a rhino with the top plate heated and bent so he's denting it in.

A Rhino is a bit small for that. I'd go for a Land Raider or battlewagon. Riptides are about the right side to be stepping on a Rhino, and I've seen a few modeled that way already.

I want to see a Wraithknight stepping on a Riptide stepping on a Rhino.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
The aircraft.... Horrible. May be in contention for worst design yet, next to the SM chickenhawk.

I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I don't think it's as bad as any of the Space Marine flyers, but yeah, it is a big disappointment for me. The two major problems I have with it, they didn't make it long and sleek like existing Eldar flyers, which is one of the things I like about existing Eldar flyers. Secondly, what's the deal with the stupid arse gunpods? If it weren't for the gunpods, I might think it could actually possibly fly, but the gunpods just ruin it for me.

Bingo. Those pods would make it impossible for it to fly more then the speed of a biplane.

 djones520 wrote:
Bingo. Those pods would make it impossible for it to fly more then the speed of a biplane.

Science fiction.

Unless there is a force field directing the air flow around the openings of the pods and the skin of the aircraft modulates itself to adjust the skin friction coefficient, changing the air velocity over various portions of the air frame to change the amount of lift each surface generates.

I preferred the more docile Wraith look, these are looking far too dynamic! Also think they could have been better if they were taller like the old ones.

 BrassScorpion wrote:

"I love the Wraithknight, hate the new flyer."

"I hate the Wraithknight, love the new flyer."

Perhaps for fun someone could count the number of these contrary posts in this thread.

I love the Wraithknight, love the new flyer.

$115 for the Wraithknight? Will that be about £70-80 in the UK? That's crazy.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Unless there is a force field directing the air flow around the openings of the pods and the skin of the aircraft modulates itself to adjust the skin friction coefficient, changing the air velocity over various portions of the air frame to change the amount of lift each surface generates.

Then just build a giant block and attach guns and an engine to it. Don't need to build flimsy aerodynamic designs if you've got a forcefield that can keep things like that under control.

 djones520 wrote:
Then just build a giant block and attach guns and an engine to it. Don't need to build flimsy aerodynamic designs if you've got a forcefield that can keep things like that under control.

Giant blocks don't look cool.

FallenAfh wrote:

 BrassScorpion wrote:

"I love the Wraithknight, hate the new flyer."

"I hate the Wraithknight, love the new flyer."

Perhaps for fun someone could count the number of these contrary posts in this thread.

I love the Wraithknight, love the new flyer.

We'll have to wait and see how everything gets together money- and point-wise.

i love both and will buy them. No money left for a couple of boxes of wraithguard, probably in the future. (and another plane just because)

There was a time we worried about codex one upmanship. Now we have to worry about models getting to big for the table.

Consider that the Dreadknight 5-6", Riptide 6-7', and now the Eldar Wraithknight 9". Can you possibly venture a guess at the Ork construct?

Think mini Gargant 12"

RB

Now I am looking forward to my $200 12 inch tall 2 foot long squiggoth !!!!!

Since the current trend is a big thing and flyers. What are they going to do with marines and orks I wonder. We already have our flyers orks have 3 marines have 2.

Thunderhawk and squiggoth I am guessing.

Ok on topic. Sorry

I like the wraith gaurd. I always wanted to do a wraith guard army and never did do to cost. I only have ever played orks, so be nice to have an "opposite army". Meaning my orks are numerous while I could switch it up and play a small wraith guard list.

Ha ha, who am I kidding, going to chop up those wraith guard to make Grotsnik's Ork-Bots !

 pretre wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Then just build a giant block and attach guns and an engine to it. Don't need to build flimsy aerodynamic designs if you've got a forcefield that can keep things like that under control.

Giant blocks don't look cool.

I'd imagine that most of the design choices the Eldar make are as much aesthetic as functional. They shape it in a way that resonates with the psyche of the pilot, and then use superscience to make it fly.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Unless there is a force field directing the air flow around the openings of the pods and the skin of the aircraft modulates itself to adjust the skin friction coefficient, changing the air velocity over various portions of the air frame to change the amount of lift each surface generates.

Science fiction

 Popenfresh wrote:

Maybe the 5 model dire avengers box is really a 5 model all aspect box?

I'd be up for that.

Although an interesting idea, that'd be a lot of bits shoehorned into one box.

 Popenfresh wrote:


Who are those red dudes in the middles of the host?

Firedragons


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 Popenfresh wrote:


Maybe the 5 model dire avengers box is really a 5 model all aspect box?

To me looks to be a Firedragon and DA box that would work with only A head and gun swap!

 djones520 wrote:
The aircraft.... Horrible. May be in contention for worst design yet, next to the SM chickenhawk.

I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I hope you realize this is the same race that can keep their souls in stones after they die.

It is interesting to see that GW is testing the limits to see how price insensitive the 40k community is

 Blackmoor wrote:
It is interesting to see that GW is testing the limits to see how price insensitive the 40k community is

That didn't start with this release.

 Manchu wrote:

 Blackmoor wrote:
It is interesting to see that GW is testing the limits to see how price insensitive the 40k community is

That didn't start with this release.

Pretty sure that started about 10-15 years ago.

 pretre wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Blackmoor wrote:
It is interesting to see that GW is testing the limits to see how price insensitive the 40k community is

That didn't start with this release.

Pretty sure that started about 10-15 years ago.

You just keep testing until you run out of cake.

And to be fair GW actually had a reasonable expectation already of what people would pay based on a similar product of size recently released.

Odd that people think the Dreamforge model is well priced and then claim a taller model with all the parts is to expensive just cause it's produced by GW.

 Wilytank wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
The aircraft.... Horrible. May be in contention for worst design yet, next to the SM chickenhawk.

I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I hope you realize this is the same race that can keep their souls in stones after they die.

Verisimilitude

In fantasy/scifi, we assume everything adheres to our reality.
If something detracts from reality, an explanation is given (magic, technology, soulstones, etc)
If an explanation is not given, then it is silly (Flying Bawkses, Tau Plot Armor, Heldrake)

Essentially, categorizing something as "scifi" or "fantasy" is not free reign to descend into surrealism.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:

 Tuagh wrote:
Could be fun to model the knight in the standard "stepping on a fallen enemy" pose, but scaled up to his massive size.

Perhaps he could be stepping on a rhino with the top plate heated and bent so he's denting it in.

A Rhino is a bit small for that. I'd go for a Land Raider or battlewagon. Riptides are about the right side to be stepping on a Rhino, and I've seen a few modeled that way already.

Uh..

My Phantom begs to differ that its appropriately sized for a puny Wraithknight.

Have the author(s) for the Codex and Iyanden supplement been confirmed?

A bit OT: How is Iyanden pronounced?

 pizzaguardian wrote:


You just keep testing until you run out of cake.

And the science gets done and we make a neat gun


Has anyone noticed that instead of giving us the forked nose every eldar vehicle, except jet bikes, have. They have painted it so that it at a quick glance looks forked?

 The Spiritseer wrote:
A bit OT: How is Iyanden pronounced?

I've always said "ee-yahn-dehn."


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But I could see pronouncing the first two syllables as a glide (as in Ioannes).

Just when I thought that this would be an all-around solid release with nothing being too visually offensive, BAM! A wild Wraithnight appears!

I also really appreciate that GW's method of using that text space to describe exactly what is already going on in the picture is as prevalent as ever.

Also, am I reading that right? They're cutting the Dire Avenger box to 5 men and pricing it at $35? I mean, standard GW practice, so I'm not too surprised, but still, that's hefty.

This the first big release where I don't dislike any of the model designs. It's just...the prices...

I'll probably get the Codex, though.

 Hulksmash wrote:
And to be fair GW actually had a reasonable expectation already of what people would pay based on a similar product of size recently released.

Odd that people think the Dreamforge model is well priced and then claim a taller model with all the parts is to expensive just cause it's produced by GW.

It is a small part the Wraithknight, but what has me more concerned is the Dire Avenger box. If all they include is 5 Dire Avengers then that worries me.

GW in the past has had the stealth price increases when they broke up $40 boxes of 10 models into $25 boxes of 5 models (these were unusually in the guise of changing from metal to plastic). In this release they are going from a $37.50 box of 10 Dire Avengers to a $35.00 box of 5 Dire Avengers. That is a huge price increase. (Now I know what the Australians feel like)

This has me concerned about the health of the hobby going forward.

GWs has targeted teenagers to enter into the hobby and build their model around selling to them. I have a friend who is quite well off with a 3 boys who wanted to get himself and his kids into the hobby but he went into a GW shop and had such sticker shock that he lost interest in it. These prices might be good in the short term for their bottom line by selling to their existing customers, but long term I wonder what will happen?

So do we have any news on jetcouncils? Cuz if those got cut I'm gonna cry sticky green stuff converted tears.

I agree the Dire Avenger price change is concerning, if it is true and there are no mitigating factors (amount in the box, etc.). We have not had confirmation though, so it is a bit early.

Oh, the Dire Avengers. Sorry, most people were complaining about the $115 price tag for the big guy. As for the DA's yeah, it's ridiculous. I feel adding a scope to standard guardians in the future of many.

How come I have a bad feeling that GW will try do something stupid like having you buy the additional $50.00 Iyanden Codex to unlock the Wraithknight as a troop?

 Blackmoor wrote:
How come I have a bad feeling that GW will try do something stupid like having you buy the additional $50.00 Iyanden Codex to unlock the Wraithknight as a troop?

Un-likely.

 Hulksmash wrote:
And to be fair GW actually had a reasonable expectation already of what people would pay based on a similar product of size recently released.

Odd that people think the Dreamforge model is well priced and then claim a taller model with all the parts is to expensive just cause it's produced by GW.

To be fair, that's comparing a Rolls Royce to a space hopper. To elaborate: the Crusader is more massive, even if the Wraithknight appears taller, since the former is not built like a stick insect. Furthermore, the Crusader is also fully poseable to a degree that GW has never been able to engineer. The promise of additional weapons, modular armament possibilities, finer sculpt quality and sheer aesthetic value would also meand that its perceived value is greated to that seen in the admittedly lackluster pictures of the Wraithknight. They are two different objects, comparing them is an excercise of questionable value.

Furthermore, you're engaging in the common fallacy of taking two opinions espoused by people on this forum and them yoking them together as if one person made both. You're being intentionally misleading, unless you can produce actual individuals who have said that a) The Wraithknight is overpriced and b) the Leviathan Crusader is a fair price. Failure to do so just means your rhetorical case is based on deception.

Pretty sure there are a couple people discussing the price of the Wraithknight in the Dreamforge thread while encouraging the Leviathan Crusader last time I looked.

 djones520 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
The aircraft.... Horrible. May be in contention for worst design yet, next to the SM chickenhawk.

I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I don't think it's as bad as any of the Space Marine flyers, but yeah, it is a big disappointment for me. The two major problems I have with it, they didn't make it long and sleek like existing Eldar flyers, which is one of the things I like about existing Eldar flyers. Secondly, what's the deal with the stupid arse gunpods? If it weren't for the gunpods, I might think it could actually possibly fly, but the gunpods just ruin it for me.

Bingo. Those pods would make it impossible for it to fly more then the speed of a biplane.

Almost all aircraft in the 40k Universe have significantly worse aerodynamics than your average WW1 biplane. I was going to say we knew more about aerodynamics within a year or two of the first flight by the Wright brothers, thought honestly I think we knew more about aerodynamics even before they flew.

The ForgeWold Eldar aircraft are some of the few I could actually suspend disbelief to think they could fly. This thing, though, just does not look sleek, and it looks not-sleek for no good reason. The gunpods don't even look "cool" like a lot of Imperial flyers who defy aerodynamics, they are just awkward looking protrusions.

I think "cool your hate" might be a new Moderator phrase soon...

 pretre wrote:
Pretty sure there are a couple people discussing the price of the Wraithknight in the Dreamforge thread while encouraging the Leviathan Crusader last time I looked.

And the Crusader is quite a bit more massive than the WK, even with the WK a tiny bit taller. When I get a Wraithknight, I can do a more direct comparison, but the quality of the casting on the Crusader is superb, as is the engineering of the kit. It's set a high bar for 28mm huge walkers.

shade1313 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Pretty sure there are a couple people discussing the price of the Wraithknight in the Dreamforge thread while encouraging the Leviathan Crusader last time I looked.

And the Crusader is quite a bit more massive than the WK, even with the WK a tiny bit taller. When I get a Wraithknight, I can do a more direct comparison, but the quality of the casting on the Crusader is superb, as is the engineering of the kit. It's set a high bar for 28mm huge walkers.

Not debating that. Just countering the statement:

unless you can produce actual individuals who have said that a) The Wraithknight is overpriced and b) the Leviathan Crusader is a fair price.

Which appear to exist.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
The aircraft.... Horrible. May be in contention for worst design yet, next to the SM chickenhawk.

I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I don't think it's as bad as any of the Space Marine flyers, but yeah, it is a big disappointment for me. The two major problems I have with it, they didn't make it long and sleek like existing Eldar flyers, which is one of the things I like about existing Eldar flyers. Secondly, what's the deal with the stupid arse gunpods? If it weren't for the gunpods, I might think it could actually possibly fly, but the gunpods just ruin it for me.

Bingo. Those pods would make it impossible for it to fly more then the speed of a biplane.

Almost all aircraft in the 40k Universe have significantly worse aerodynamics than your average WW1 biplane. I was going to say we knew more about aerodynamics within a year or two of the first flight by the Wright brothers, thought honestly I think we knew more about aerodynamics even before they flew.

The ForgeWold Eldar aircraft are some of the few I could actually suspend disbelief to think they could fly. This thing, though, just does not look sleek, and it looks not-sleek for no good reason. The gunpods don't even look "cool" like a lot of Imperial flyers who defy aerodynamics, they are just awkward looking protrusions.

Actually I think the Ork flyers are have the best chance of actual flight in 40k lol go figure. The least advance have the most realistic aircraft Heck they look like WWII air craft almost,

 Alpharius wrote:
I think "cool your hate" might be a new Moderator phrase soon...

And the trolls phrase could be 'embrace your hate'

Is it really that surprising that people look at utility and expectations when commenting on price?

Comparing a basic 40k codex unit that is now the most expensive single box in the game, to the cheapest Titan stand in is a huge gap in what people expect. If there's one thing GW has taught us, is that it's not the amount of plastic in the box that matters.

$115 for a centerpiece model, that is half your army (WM collosals) or a scenario based luxury (Dreamforge titans) is more reasonable than $115 for a ~300 point basic unit.

 Polonius wrote:
Is it really that surprising that people look at utility and expectations when commenting on price?

Comparing a basic 40k codex unit that is now the most expensive single box in the game, to the cheapest Titan stand in is a huge gap in what people expect. If there's one thing GW has taught us, is that it's not the amount of plastic in the box that matters.

$115 for a centerpiece model, that is half your army (WM collosals) or a scenario based luxury (Dreamforge titans) is more reasonable than $115 for a ~300 point basic unit.

It'll be even more hilarious when the thing dies in the first turn it is on the board.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
Is it really that surprising that people look at utility and expectations when commenting on price?

Comparing a basic 40k codex unit that is now the most expensive single box in the game, to the cheapest Titan stand in is a huge gap in what people expect. If there's one thing GW has taught us, is that it's not the amount of plastic in the box that matters.

$115 for a centerpiece model, that is half your army (WM collosals) or a scenario based luxury (Dreamforge titans) is more reasonable than $115 for a ~300 point basic unit.

It'll be even more hilarious when the thing dies in the first turn it is on the board.

True story:

The first time I used my plastic baneblade, my buddy went first. Shot a vindicator at it, barely clipped the front corner. Five to pen, Six for damange, rolls again, six, rolls a third time: 5. First shot kill of a baneblade. $90, 500pts, and hours of painting to set it down and pick it up.

My Baneblade has never fired a shot in anger. It always dies on the first turn.

I'm going to wait and see how essential the Wraithknight is before I buy it. It might be the best spamming unit in the codex, it might slot well into a list, it might be good but not in builds I'm interested in, or it might be overpriced/underpowered.

It's expensive for sure, but at $300 it's still better than a lot of light vehicle squadrons or transports. If it's good, i'm sure I'll buy it.

 Polonius wrote:
I'm going to wait and see how essential the Wraithknight is before I buy it. It might be the best spamming unit in the codex, it might slot well into a list, it might be good but not in builds I'm interested in, or it might be overpriced/underpowered.

It's expensive for sure, but at $300 it's still better than a lot of light vehicle squadrons or transports. If it's good, i'm sure I'll buy it.

I'm sort of in this boat, but I've been playing Daemons instead of Eldar for a while and I'm not sure I'm going back.

If I do take the Eldar out of cold storage, I still won't buy one. I'll just consider builds that don't use it.

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Actually I think the Ork flyers are have the best chance of actual flight in 40k lol go figure. The least advance have the most realistic aircraft Heck they look like WWII air craft almost,

I agree, the Ork aircraft look like they could actually be real... except for the random junk they bolt on to it. A stripped down dakkajet looks like it could fly, too many Orky add ons and it looks like it'd probably be limited to early WW2 or even pre WW2 performance levels.

I don't really have a problem with the fact most 40k aircraft not looking like they could fly and can give them a pass if they look cool like the Dakka Jet or the Thunderbolt or the old Marauder Bomber (I don't give the Stormtalon a pass because it looks stupid). It's just Eldar aircraft DID look like they could fly and also looked pretty friggin' cool so why not keep that aesthetic?

I would be interested to see what what this new Eldar flyer would look like with it's gun pods sliced off and the guns reattached in better positions like in the nose (like the Nightwing). Though I still think it looks too stubby.

I think the Wraithknight is cool looking but I think it's a fantastical point sink...it's going to be worse than the Riptide.

The fliers look cool

The weapons are finally viable


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I think the Wraithknight is cool looking but I think it's a fantastical point sink...it's going to be worse than the Riptide.

The fliers look cool

The weapons are finally viable

 disel24 wrote:
I think the Wraithknight is cool looking but I think it's a fantastical point sink...it's going to be worse than the Riptide.

The fliers look cool

The weapons are finally viable


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I think the Wraithknight is cool looking but I think it's a fantastical point sink...it's going to be worse than the Riptide.

The fliers look cool

The weapons are finally viable

huh? the riptide is awesome, worth its points AND THEN SOME....

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I think "cool your hate" might be a new Moderator phrase soon...

And the trolls phrase could be 'embrace your hate'

Yeah, I wonder who would win that one...

Anyway, now that I've seen some other angles of the Wraithknight I have to admit... I kind of like it!

Well, everything except the price of course!

Any news on the Dire Avengers? Perhaps the sprue has been changed? I'm scared, scared of the price increase.

Shame they didn't use the opportunity for a dual DA / Fire Dragons kit.

 ergotoxin wrote:
Any news on the Dire Avengers?

Not beyond what has been posted.

 djones520 wrote:
I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I would have been far more surprised if they had. They're making vehicles for a science fantasy game of toy soldiers.

I have always wanted to model/paint a titan. Considering the relative prices of Citadel and FW, the Wraithknight is the best chance I have ever gotten. I am 98% sure I will never purchase a Revenant, much less a Phantom. Also, I have always like the Wraithguard design and to my eyes the Wraithknight makes aesthetic sense. Even if I do not build an Eldar army around it, I am pretty sure I will still get a Wraithknight.

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Since the current trend is a big thing and flyers. What are they going to do with marines and orks I wonder. We already have our flyers orks have 3 marines have 2.

Thunderhawk and squiggoth I am guessing.

Given the current direction, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a generic version of the Dreadknight for regular Marines. And while the Squiggoth would make sense, they seem to be steering away from anything that Forgeworld has already done, so it will most likely be some sort of mid-size mini-stompa or somesuch.

 insaniak wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I would have been far more surprised if they had. They're making vehicles for a science fantasy game of toy soldiers.

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This man.

I laugh at the whole consult an engineer thing.
Go on, go ask a professional engineer (an actual LICENSED P.E.) about that ask him what a space ship piloted by imaginary homoerotic elves should look like irl and watch him laugh and call you slowed. It's sci fi bro. My two year old would be as much an authority of whqt is "legit" here as any of us. The likely result of them asking an engineering firm is the price being even higher because realism.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
And to be fair GW actually had a reasonable expectation already of what people would pay based on a similar product of size recently released.

Odd that people think the Dreamforge model is well priced and then claim a taller model with all the parts is to expensive just cause it's produced by GW.

To be fair, that's comparing a Rolls Royce to a space hopper. To elaborate: the Crusader is more massive, even if the Wraithknight appears taller, since the former is not built like a stick insect. Furthermore, the Crusader is also fully poseable to a degree that GW has never been able to engineer. The promise of additional weapons, modular armament possibilities, finer sculpt quality and sheer aesthetic value would also meand that its perceived value is greated to that seen in the admittedly lackluster pictures of the Wraithknight. They are two different objects, comparing them is an excercise of questionable value.

Furthermore, you're engaging in the common fallacy of taking two opinions espoused by people on this forum and them yoking them together as if one person made both. You're being intentionally misleading, unless you can produce actual individuals who have said that a) The Wraithknight is overpriced and b) the Leviathan Crusader is a fair price. Failure to do so just means your rhetorical case is based on deception.

Oh aren't you adorable.

First, regarding the quality of the models involved. I own a Dreamforge Leviathan. I backed the project for additional arms and such which is cool. That said, the model isn't actually that posable. You can lift one leg to make like it's stepping on something or above something and the torso twists to a certain degree. It is not super posable as you seem to suggest. As for finer sculpt quality that's questionable. The larger GW kits I've got suggest that this one will be as excellent as previous ones. The Dreamforge model is excellent. Ergo, quality wise I'm seeing something similar. Modular armaments isn't something you should get into. The GW one is likely to come with all equipable weapons and while I'll have to magnetize them I won't have to pay $30 for each additional arm weapon.

And yeah, people are comparing the two's prices and it's the same people bemoaning the price of the Wraithknight and have previously said the Crusader was a steal for it's cost.

The only difference worth mentioning is Polonius's that it's not a rare model/half your army unit that situational. It's a single unit that's likely to only take up about 16% of an army list. So in that respect the other options could have a higher perceived value for the cost.

resipsa wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I would have been far more surprised if they had. They're making vehicles for a science fantasy game of toy soldiers.

This man.

I laugh at the whole consult an engineer thing.
Go on, go ask a professional engineer (an actual LICENSED P.E.) about that ask him what a space ship piloted by imaginary homoerotic elves should look like irl and watch him laugh and call you slowed. It's sci fi bro. My two year old would be as much an authority of whqt is "legit" here as any of us. The likely result of them asking an engineering firm is the price being even higher because realism.

Consulting an engineer is indeed excessive, but they could have at least looked at a photograph of something that flies.

Also:

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
The aircraft.... Horrible. May be in contention for worst design yet, next to the SM chickenhawk.

I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I hope you realize this is the same race that can keep their souls in stones after they die.

Verisimilitude

In fantasy/scifi, we assume everything adheres to our reality.
If something detracts from reality, an explanation is given (magic, technology, soulstones, etc)
If an explanation is not given, then it is silly (Flying Bawkses, Tau Plot Armor, Heldrake)

Essentially, categorizing something as "scifi" or "fantasy" is not free reign to descend into surrealism.

 The Spiritseer wrote:
Have the author(s) for the Codex and Iyanden supplement been confirmed?

A bit OT: How is Iyanden pronounced?

Anyone care to answer?

Someone already did, check the top of page 76....

 The Spiritseer wrote:

 The Spiritseer wrote:
Have the author(s) for the Codex and Iyanden supplement been confirmed?

A bit OT: How is Iyanden pronounced?

Anyone care to answer?

It was answered a page or so back.

Any hints from the battle report about what slots the Wraithlord and Wraithknight occupy?

I, uh... really hope they aren't both heavy.

HELLO....

Its Sci-fi guys...anti-grav...lazers...aliens...

Who cares if it "looks" like it could fly?

The models look SWEET and im gonna get a flyer and make it the fighter...i already own the FW Bomber...

As far as the WK....Totally cool and Ill pick one up!!!

I am still hoping for my Exodites to make an appearance..

Hulksmash wrote:Someone already did, check the top of page 76....

pretre wrote:

 The Spiritseer wrote:

 The Spiritseer wrote:
Have the author(s) for the Codex and Iyanden supplement been confirmed?

A bit OT: How is Iyanden pronounced?

Anyone care to answer?

It was answered a page or so back.

He only posted on how he pronounced Iyanden. But no replies on the Author(s).

 The Spiritseer wrote:
He only posted on how he pronounced Iyanden. But no replies on the Author(s).

We assumed you were asking the question that had an answer. If we knew the other, it would have been posted. Continually posting asking the same question won't get you an answer.

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
HELLO....

Its Sci-fi guys...anti-grav...lazers...aliens...

Who cares if it "looks" like it could fly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verisimilitude_%28narrative%29

RB wrote:
There was a time we worried about codex one upmanship. Now we have to worry about models getting to big for the table.

Consider that the Dreadknight 5-6", Riptide 6-7', and now the Eldar Wraithknight 9". Can you possibly venture a guess at the Ork construct?

Think mini Gargant 12"

RB

Not really a mini Gargant at 12". Armorcast Gargants are 13" tall...

 Hulksmash wrote:
And to be fair GW actually had a reasonable expectation already of what people would pay based on a similar product of size recently released.

Odd that people think the Dreamforge model is well priced and then claim a taller model with all the parts is to expensive just cause it's produced by GW.

Interesting that with a 9" Eldar Knight, the Dreamforge Leviathans are now well sized well for Imperial Knights. Had been thinking that the Leviathans were too large for an Imperial Knight, but that just went out the window with the release of the Wraith Knight.

T

Hopefully the 5 man dire avenger squad will actually not contain any models, but instead an apology and a voucher for a multipart plastic aspect warrior kit to be released at a later date.

Its like a kickstarter.

Goresaw wrote:
Hopefully the 5 man dire avenger squad will actually not contain any models, but instead an apology and a voucher for a multipart plastic aspect warrior kit to be released at a later date.

Its like a kickstarter.

good one

 LlamaAgility wrote:
So... if everyone gets an oval base model now... DO SPACE WOLVES GET GIANT FENRISIAN BEARS!?!?!?!

Bran Redmaw turns into a MC which could then be placed on an oval base. Winning!

Iracundus wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

Eberious wrote:
Any pics of them with the guns, I know will be much like the ones already but still wanna.

See first post for all pics. They are found in the Wraithknight pic with ranged weapons.

A random observation but what are those round oval shaped openings on either side of the chest? They look like either intake or exhaust vents. The Revenant has jump jets and the Wraithknight seems to share the shoulder vents/intake look of the Revenant. Does the Wraithknight jump at all?

Possibly. In the report they suggested that the Wraithknight could move faster than you would expect, not sure if this was jetpack/jump pack or long legs giving it a bigger base movement (like Titans) or something through a psychic power (since there was definitely a psychic power which somehow let the Wraithblades get into combat faster at one point).

The two different main weapons (Suncannon and Wraithlance or whatever it was called) look very similar btw, both are long pulsar type weapons, the only difference appears to be the muzzle/tip. Similar deal with the new alternate weapon for Wraithguard.

 Absolutionis wrote:

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
HELLO....

Its Sci-fi guys...anti-grav...lazers...aliens...

Who cares if it "looks" like it could fly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verisimilitude_%28narrative%29

Yeah? And?

Wow, finally read through like the last 30 pages...

I think with the frenzy over the last couple weeks, salt was forgotten with some of the rumors. So far this does seem to be the Iyanden release... that being said...



RUMOR:
New aspects models and jet bikes will be released with the appropriate upcoming craftworld supplement books.











SALT:
I just made that up. But plausible based on what is currently being released with the first craftworld supplement book?

 insaniak wrote:

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Since the current trend is a big thing and flyers. What are they going to do with marines and orks I wonder. We already have our flyers orks have 3 marines have 2.

Thunderhawk and squiggoth I am guessing.

Given the current direction, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a generic version of the Dreadknight for regular Marines. And while the Squiggoth would make sense, they seem to be steering away from anything that Forgeworld has already done, so it will most likely be some sort of mid-size mini-stompa or somesuch.

I hope not. I really don't want some huge vehicle that will get one shotted by a lascannon on turn one. I do not want a big ARMORED unit in my new ork army. If I am going to pay $80+ dollars for a model I don't want it to be taken out with one lucky shot. While other armies get a multi-wound toughness 6+ monsters that takes at least 4-6 minimum shots to kill.

pretre wrote:I agree the Dire Avenger price change is concerning, if it is true and there are no mitigating factors (amount in the box, etc.). We have not had confirmation though, so it is a bit early.

Unless the owner of my FLGS was trolling me, it's confirmed. I talked about this rumor with him and he said "Oh yes, it's not a rumour. They are going to reduce the price tho... 3 pounds..." I believe the conversation was something like that.

And then I procedeed to buy the last box of Dire Avengers he had

So as I said, not confirmed yet.

 pretre wrote:
So as I said, not confirmed yet.

I hope it is, or else me and him must have a talk

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So as I said, not confirmed yet.

I hope it is, or else me and him must have a talk

Confirmation would be a WD leak showing prices or an announcement by GW.

Otherwise, I could say something like:
'Unless Kirby was trolling me, I was told by him that dire avengers would come with a free kitten'
as confirmation.

 pretre wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So as I said, not confirmed yet.

I hope it is, or else me and him must have a talk

Confirmation would be a WD leak showing prices or an announcement by GW.

Otherwise, I could say something like:
'Unless Kirby was trolling me, I was told by him that dire avengers would come with a free kitten'
as confirmation.

No, no, I understand what you mean. You can't accept something as confirmed just because of a random hint from a total random person. I meant I hope it's "confirmed" later on or me and my FLGS owner must have a talk about "So it wasn't a rumour, eh?" Sorry about the confusion, if you think it's better to delete the previous posts, please alert a mod

 insaniak wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I would have been far more surprised if they had. They're making vehicles for a science fantasy game of toy soldiers.

Just because you are making science fiction doesn't mean you shouldn't consult actual scientists and engineers.

For me and several of my more science/engineering friends, the interesting part about science fiction is the SCIENCE part. Just because it's fiction doesn't mean you completely ignore the science, IMO good science fiction creates a fictitious world but actually has the science to bridge the gap so while what's going on may not be possible, you could actually see how it might be possible given X, Y and Z.

But either way, like I said, I'm happy to suspend disbelief if something looks cool enough, like a lot of Imperial Navy aircraft, this thing however just does not look cool and the older eldar aircraft aesthetic was both cool and actually looked like it might be able to fly, hence why I'm disappointed in this model and see it as a step backward from the likes of a Nightwing or a Phoenix.

First off, 40k is pretty far from the kind of scifi that involves any actual "science." Second, if something doesn't look cool to you it's enough to say "it doesn't look cool to me" rather than couch your opinion as a fact by saying "that could never fly." Sure it could never fly. Just like space elves aren't really psychic.

 Manchu wrote:
First off, 40k is pretty far from the kind of scifi that involves any actual "science." Second, if something doesn't look cool to you it's enough to say "it doesn't look cool to me" rather than couch your opinion as a fact by saying "that could never fly." Sure it could never fly. Just like space elves aren't really psychic.

Yeah, I think 40k is probably closer to space-fantasy.

 Manchu wrote:
First off, 40k is pretty far from the kind of scifi that involves any actual "science." Second, if something doesn't look cool to you it's enough to say "it doesn't look cool to me" rather than couch your opinion as a fact by saying "that could never fly." Sure it could never fly. Just like space elves aren't really psychic.

The thing is, "it couldn't fly" is one of the reasons I don't like it It's a 2 pronged dislike... they've gone from something that looked like it could fly AND they made it look stubby, disproportionate and awkward (compared to existing Eldar flyers).

Just like a large part of the reason I dislike the Stormtalon is because it looks like something that belongs under water, not in the air. It could be the most awesome looking submarine in the world, it still doesn't look good on a flying stand.

 Absolutionis wrote:

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
HELLO....

Its Sci-fi guys...anti-grav...lazers...aliens...

Who cares if it "looks" like it could fly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verisimilitude_%28narrative%29

Well, I see your verisimilitude and rise you by Millennium Falcon, a ship that's apparently able to enter the atmosphere. And that was a pretty good movie when it comes to immersion, despite people bouncing lazors off of light sticks.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, I see your verisimilitude and rise you by Millennium Falcon, a ship that's apparently able to enter the atmosphere. And that was a pretty good movie when it comes to immersion, despite people bouncing lazors off of light sticks.

Pronged trashcan lid isn't an aerodynamic design? News to me!

 pretre wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, I see your verisimilitude and rise you by Millennium Falcon, a ship that's apparently able to enter the atmosphere. And that was a pretty good movie when it comes to immersion, despite people bouncing lazors off of light sticks.

Pronged trashcan lid isn't an aerodynamic design? News to me!

Yeah, I was shocked too. It was almost as soul crushing as Ewoks.

Any news on Runes of Warding? Have they stayed the same?

valace2 wrote:
Any news on Runes of Warding? Have they stayed the same?

Check the first post and no.

Yeah, never fly even with technology tens of thousands of years advanced...

There weren't any hints about Runes of Warding in the WD, nothing in the previews section and the report was against Crons so it obviously didn't come up there.

Spoiler alert though: RoW won't be board wide anymore.

Speculation, of course.

Wait... 70£ for the Wraithknight.... 53*15% (shipping, I live in Sweden) = 60.95£ for the ForgeWorld Avatar. Well I know where my priorities are!

 Gar'Ang wrote:
Wait... 70£ for the Wraithknight.... 53*15% (shipping, I live in Sweden) = 60.95£ for the ForgeWorld Avatar. Well I know where my priorities are!

I can't believe they're charging $25.00 USD more than the Riptide for what is basically four inches of stilts.

You notice how the eurofighter doesn't have massive blunt objects facing the flow other than the engine intakes like the new eldar fighter has? Yeah, that's because they suck.

Like I said, inability to fly is just one reason I don't like the new Eldar fighter (and even then it's mostly because the older Eldar planes DO look like they could fly).

From the top, it doesn't look too bad, just looks a bit stubby, from the front and bottom it looks, blergh.



I understand not everything HAS to look like it could fly, but it at least HAS to look cool

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I understand not everything HAS to look like it could fly, but it at least HAS to look cool

You're looking at one angle of the model. Give it a couple minutes and wait to see the model. Or we can just keep going in circles about the flyers.

edit: For all you know, the guns are held magically in those tubes and they flow all the way to the back so nothing blocking and air flows straight through.

 azreal13 wrote:



Yeah, never fly even with technology tens of thousands of years advanced...

My first thought when I saw it's cockpit was "didn't I dissect one of those in high school?"



Not a fan nor a hater of either the wraithknight or this flier... although I do like the sword wielding wraithguard though.

Concerning the science discussion:
Ask a Neanderthal scientist how a credible mobile phone looks like, then you get an idea how today's science is relevant to alien flyers in 38k years.
The history of absolute truths is quite fascinating

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
From the top, it doesn't look too bad, just looks a bit stubby, from the front and bottom it looks, blergh.

From that angle, it looks like it could mate with the hell drake

To be honest.... If that price is right, it is literally more than I get per month. On the other hand I am a 17 y old student in Sweden living home and summer is coming so, shouldn't complain.

I'm just happy that the very army who dragged me into 40k is getting an update, I also made my craftworlds fluff to be sort of similiar to Iyandeen or more like a "sister" to it, hence why I already have a decent amount of WG (10, got them for 200SEK which I think is about 20£, a real steal) for my financial situation.

 pretre wrote:

valace2 wrote:
Any news on Runes of Warding? Have they stayed the same?

Check the first post and no.

Sooooo.... You've been telling people that although several sources say that Dire Avengers are going to 5 for $35 it's not confirmed so we shouldn't rush to judgment, but it's perfectly acceptable to state as fact, without evidence, that Runes of Warding are changing. Interesting.

Remember when I said this release underwhelmed me? I take it all back! The latest set of pictures has really impressed me, especially the Ranger special character and the options for the Wraithknight. At this point I don't think I'm going to be making Eldar, but the new stuff is tempting enough that I'm trying to decide whether or not to pick up an Avenger box or two just in case...

I think his no was directed to the news part, there are no news regarding runes of warding....

Skogkat wrote:

 pretre wrote:

valace2 wrote:
Any news on Runes of Warding? Have they stayed the same?

Check the first post and no.

Sooooo.... You've been telling people that although several sources say that Dire Avengers are going to 5 for $35 it's not confirmed so we shouldn't rush to judgment, but it's perfectly acceptable to state as fact, without evidence, that Runes of Warding are changing. Interesting.

The truth is out there...

I'd love it if either C:Eldar or C:Iyanden had Wrathseer rules.

Missed the point.

 Kingsley wrote:
Remember when I said this release underwhelmed me? I take it all back! The latest set of pictures has really impressed me, especially the Ranger special character and the options for the Wraithknight. At this point I don't think I'm going to be making Eldar, but the new stuff is tempting enough that I'm trying to decide whether or not to pick up an Avenger box or two just in case...

I have something like 40 or so of the buggers lying around; hell I'm probably ordering a few extra boxes; worst come to you'll get your money back on selling them easily.

I think I have worked out where GW has got it's eldar flyer design inspiration from.

Oh come on, that was hardly funny the first time around.

...much less the next five times.

 pretre wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I understand not everything HAS to look like it could fly, but it at least HAS to look cool

You're looking at one angle of the model. Give it a couple minutes and wait to see the model. Or we can just keep going in circles about the flyers.

edit: For all you know, the guns are held magically in those tubes and they flow all the way to the back so nothing blocking and air flows straight through.

Maybe it'll surprise me and it'll look awesome in the flesh. Hell, some C3 Corvettes look ugly from certain angles, but look awesome all over when you see them in the fibreglass... I'm not holding my breath though.

At the end of the day, regardless of aerodynamics, I think the gunpods look stupid/ugly/whatever (I'm not a fan of them on the Razorwing either, but here they look even more disproportionate). The aerodynamic thing is just the icing on the cake and as someone who's job it is to analyse aerodynamic design (not of aircraft, but still) I feel qualified to have aerodynamics as a point to bitch about it

Well, I do like what I see. Not an Eldar player, and got too much on my plate to think about starting a new army, but maybe one day in the future...

 Marzillius wrote:

Skogkat wrote:

 pretre wrote:

valace2 wrote:
Any news on Runes of Warding? Have they stayed the same?

Check the first post and no.

Sooooo.... You've been telling people that although several sources say that Dire Avengers are going to 5 for $35 it's not confirmed so we shouldn't rush to judgment, but it's perfectly acceptable to state as fact, without evidence, that Runes of Warding are changing. Interesting.

Look at the nerf to Psychic Hood. Psychich defense is getting toned down, and honestly, Runes of Warding is too good. It's almost anti-fun.

I think you missed my point.

 Breotan wrote:
I can't believe they're charging $25.00 USD more than the Riptide for what is basically four inches of stilts.

$30!

Skogkat wrote:

 pretre wrote:

valace2 wrote:
Any news on Runes of Warding? Have they stayed the same?

Check the first post and no.

Sooooo.... You've been telling people that although several sources say that Dire Avengers are going to 5 for $35 it's not confirmed so we shouldn't rush to judgment, but it's perfectly acceptable to state as fact, without evidence, that Runes of Warding are changing. Interesting.

Better add him to the Rumor tracker.

Oh dear god... I'm about to get my first real paycheck and 100% of it is going towards Eldar at this rate The Wraithblades with the swords are probably my favorite models of this release, despite not liking them very much with the axes. I hope they've got the crunch to back it up!

 Kroothawk wrote:
Concerning the science discussion:
Ask a Neanderthal scientist how a credible mobile phone looks like, then you get an idea how today's science is relevant to alien flyers in 38k years.
The history of absolute truths is quite fascinating

Well they already have Nightwings, which are sweep wing interceptor aircraft, implying the Eldar are still using the basic aerodynamics we know and love today and still have to worry about things like shockwaves and pressure drag I'm pretty sure somewhere in the AI books it talks about how Nightwings are superior to other aircraft in part because of their streamlining.

If GW created a world where aerodynamics were irrelevant like Star Wars or a plethora of other sci-fi worlds, it'd be less annoying. But the fact is Eldar HAVE an aerodynamic aircraft, the Nightwing, and now they've got this abomination

But like I said, the fact it has terrible aerodynamics, in isolation, is not my issue.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
I hope they've got the crunch to back it up!

Somehow, the thought of losing with Eldar (esp. Iyanden) doesn't trouble me too much ...

Is it a good idea to buy Boxes of the Current 10 man Dire Avengers Squads and then in a couple months time, sell them on Ebay?

IMO this release looks grim. I'm not impressed by any of these new releases. Hence I have put my Eldar in the swap shop.

 DeffDred wrote:
IMO this release looks grim. I'm not impressed by any of these new releases. Hence I have put my Eldar in the swap shop.

Jumping the gun a bit there eh?

The new photos make me more enthusiastic about the Eldar, but I'm really curious to find out what they've done rules-wise.

The Eldar flier looks like a goose. The underside shot with the two tone scheme makes me think of Canada geese.

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
The new photos make me more enthusiastic about the Eldar, but I'm really curious to find out what they've done rules-wise.

Agreed. I've never preordered any GW releases. I need to see the rules and potentially playtest a bit before I buy anything.

 Absolutionis wrote:

resipsa wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I would have been far more surprised if they had. They're making vehicles for a science fantasy game of toy soldiers.

This man.

I laugh at the whole consult an engineer thing.
Go on, go ask a professional engineer (an actual LICENSED P.E.) about that ask him what a space ship piloted by imaginary homoerotic elves should look like irl and watch him laugh and call you slowed. It's sci fi bro. My two year old would be as much an authority of whqt is "legit" here as any of us. The likely result of them asking an engineering firm is the price being even higher because realism.

Consulting an engineer is indeed excessive, but they could have at least looked at a photograph of something that flies.

Also:

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
The aircraft.... Horrible. May be in contention for worst design yet, next to the SM chickenhawk.

I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I hope you realize this is the same race that can keep their souls in stones after they die.

Verisimilitude

In fantasy/scifi, we assume everything adheres to our reality.
If something detracts from reality, an explanation is given (magic, technology, soulstones, etc)
If an explanation is not given, then it is silly (Flying Bawkses, Tau Plot Armor, Heldrake)

Essentially, categorizing something as "scifi" or "fantasy" is not free reign to descend into surrealism.

Sir are you implying the stormraven would fly? Look at the extra fuel tanks on old fighters.
As for surrealism, we are talking about a game using toy soldiers where the story is set in dystopian future where aliens, 1984, a clockwork Orange, animal farm and the bible all have a grand literature orgy, with a dash of space Hitler Schiavo bad genetic pulp fiction, soccer hooligans, prince and his band and their bdsm cousins and plot armor dude. But screw it, let's be realists!!

I think the flier looks quite lovely, I don't know why. However the farseer looks really derpy, I mean, just look at his neck!

I'm very relieved that all of this stuff either doesn't look good or is something I don't need at all. With the exception of that sniper character. I'm happy that there's another of my armies that I don't want to buy anything new for.

At least, no new models. On the other hand, I have to buy $100 worth of books just to keep playing my Iyanden army? I don't see that happening.

on my to buy list: spiritseer wraithknight and wraithfighter

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I think the flier looks quite lovely, I don't know why. However the farseer looks really derpy, I mean, just look at his neck!

Yeah I really don't get that neck.. also its a pretty silly photo..

Look at this depry build of our new cast! and look at how OLD THESE WARLOCKS ARE.

I'll probably pick one up though, my finecastseer has a massive gap in his face.

At least it is plastic so you can file his neck down, the robes themselves look a lot nicer shape wise compared to those warlocks.

Well i saw the new shots and was a bit meh on everything tbh. Thought i might be getting jaded and bitter in my old age.

Then i saw the sniper model.

That thing is the sex. I must have one just to paint.

Really cant think of a thing i don't like about it except its Finecast.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I think the flier looks quite lovely, I don't know why. However the farseer looks really derpy, I mean, just look at his neck!

Okay good! It's not just me. I thought he looked a bit "off".


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 DiabolicAl wrote:
Well i saw the new shots and was a bit meh on everything tbh. Thought i might be getting jaded and bitter in my old age.

Then i saw the sniper model.

That thing is the sex. I must have one just to paint.

Really cant think of a thing i don't like about it except its Finecast.

Crappy that the Failcast models are limited. .. makes me a sad panda.

Perhaps those gun "pod" openings contain the airstream powered turbine that generates the power to fire them, and they're ducted at the back out of the engine exhaust. Lots of explanations are possible that don't involve them just being purposeless drag.

Maybe you should just suspend your disbelief when playing a fantasy game set tens of thousands of years in the future?

UltraPrime wrote:
Maybe you should just suspend your disbelief when playing a fantasy game set tens of thousands of years in the future?

I suspend mine just fine. Just throwing out possible explanations for those that demand them.

Fair enough. Just seems some people are more interested in worrying about details that don't matter than playing the game.

Stuff looks good. would love to put a pure wraith army together.
hq
3 knights
6 squads wraithguard
3 wraith lords
well the troops get trimmed down to meet points level.

Skogkat wrote:

 pretre wrote:

valace2 wrote:
Any news on Runes of Warding? Have they stayed the same?

Check the first post and no.

Sooooo.... You've been telling people that although several sources say that Dire Avengers are going to 5 for $35 it's not confirmed so we shouldn't rush to judgment, but it's perfectly acceptable to state as fact, without evidence, that Runes of Warding are changing. Interesting.

my answer was to the first question. How would I know the second?


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 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:
IMO this release looks grim. I'm not impressed by any of these new releases. Hence I have put my Eldar in the swap shop.

Jumping the gun a bit there eh?

Shh just buy them and chuckle.

I feel a bit weird I like everything EXCEPT the sniper guy. Even he isn't flat out bad. I guess when I read about him and heard he was an ultra marksman with a 120" range I got all excited and was like sighting down the barrel of an invisible gun in my nerdgasm, and then of course he's vaulting something and waving his gun around like Fuegan

Theorius wrote:
The first pic we saw the hand is open, the one with the dual lances the fists are closed!! eaqch wraith knight in the iyaden is posed in a different stance with the head in a different direction.

I think that bad boy is looking to be worth the dollars!!!!

Not really. A Master grade Gundam kit has far more articulation (and rubber sockets for joints so that it can be posed and will hold its pose until it is reposed) for a quarter to a third of the price of the Wraithknight. And will have more detail in the parts. And will come in plastic pre-colored to the main colors of the model. And will potentially have internal objects modeled.

The Wraithknight is only worth the price GW is charging if you only compare it to other GW models, and potentially not even then.

I regret selling my Eldar now!!!