I just went to my local store, they have the Tau codex at $49.50 US and the Tau limited edition codex as a GW-only direct order at $100. Does anyone know what the heck is in the limited edition codex that makes it cost twice as much?
Oaka wrote: I just went to my local store, they have the Tau codex at $49.50 US and the Tau limited edition codex as a GW-only direct order at $100. Does anyone know what the heck is in the limited edition codex that makes it cost twice as much?
It has a different cover and some kind of thank you note in it. It's a scam.
Oaka wrote: I just went to my local store, they have the Tau codex at $49.50 US and the Tau limited edition codex as a GW-only direct order at $100. Does anyone know what the heck is in the limited edition codex that makes it cost twice as much?
It has whatever magic makes them sell out of limited edition Codexes, and GW is pricing them to what the market will bear. I expect that limited edition Codexes will continue getting more and more expensive until GW stops selling out within 2 weeks or so of release.
Its to make you feel special because they literally only made so many. Doubt it could possibly be worth it unless it would make you feel all warm and fuzzy
Oaka wrote: I just went to my local store, they have the Tau codex at $49.50 US and the Tau limited edition codex as a GW-only direct order at $100. Does anyone know what the heck is in the limited edition codex that makes it cost twice as much?
Two re-rolls per game and extra crisis weapon sprues.
Either some of the prices listed in this thread are wrong, or the White Dwarf has a typo. White Dwarf lists crisis suits at $75US and the battleforce as $130US.
So I've sketched a little redesign for the Riptide that I will personally try to scratchbuild. (since I don't particularly like the GW design and it's too expansive for my taste.)
Maybe some of you can get some inspiration out of this as well.
Ravenous D wrote:All stores GW or otherwise get their shipments on the wednesday (If the FLGs put their order in on monday this applies).
This simply isn't true. I do the ordering for my store and always place my orders as early as possible Monday morning. In recent memory we've gotten our shipment by Wednesday once. Usually restocks show up on Thursday, and orders that include new releases show up on Friday. We're a two-day ship from GW, but they don't always ship the day the order's placed, and they ship orders later on new release weeks, likely as some combination of trying not to tempt stores to break street dates and having a higher volume of orders to pack than normal.
Lysenis wrote: So it will have to RAW in the book OR a FAQ but if they dont then it is a way for them to make FW's better for what you get since Tau Troop choices are not so spectacular. Now on a side note, most people will cry Haxs! and they will ignore the weak troop choices regardless if Tau can multi Overwatch with units not being charged.
Word is that FWs will be 7 points/model. A guy on 4chan did some crazy math from the WD battle report and he concluded that FWs will be 8 ppm at maximum, but 7 is more likely. And at 7 ppm, they ain't that bad at all!
This does not seem at all likely to me. 7 point Fire Warriors would be extremely good-- perhaps one of the best Troops choices in the game. I currently believe that Fire Warriors are fine at 10 points, perhaps slightly weak, and it sounds like they are getting better. If they go below 9 points, expect to see lots and lots of Fire Warriors on the battlefield.
7 or 8 point Fire Warriors will result in my Eldar army suddenly fielding two 12-man-strong units of "Guardians with Light Scatter Lasers" and "Heavy Wraithlords with Rail Lances". Hell, even at 9 points they'd be significantly better than Guardians and quite possibly better than Dire Avengers in terms of consistent amounts of Dakka per Point.
With free Photon Grenades, I'm thinking about 9 points each is about right.
I'm just really curious about what other options we'll get for them... additional drones, more markerlight options, maybe different types of FW squads that are higher priced but can take other things (i.e. IG veterans vs. infantry squads)?
IPS wrote: So I've sketched a little redesign for the Riptide that I will personally try to scratchbuild. (since I don't particularly like the GW design and it's too expansive for my taste.)
Maybe some of you can get some inspiration out of this as well.
That. Look. Pretty freakin awesome. Diamonds for sure.
Would like to point out that I tottally called the fighter weapon bays, even if I didn't think they popped out like that. LOL And the fluff writers can shove the grimdark flavor back into the other armies please and thank you. The only way I'll continue to play my Tau is if, and only if, I get to be the good guy. I'm fine with them being down in the muck, slug out, knock down, bad ___ fighters. But the second you tell me I'm just another bad guy in a world of bad guys...I'm out. My old codex is still legible and doesn't cost $50 bucks for no reason, so I'll use that. Getting excited for the models anyway. Now that I've seen more then one model of each I'm seeing how they may be custumoized! KIT BASH TIME!!!!
They can be Grimdark and be good guys at the same time. They just don't need to be shinning white knights of morality. Give them a good dose of "war is hell" and cover them in mud and blood in the fluff.
KnuckleWolf wrote: Would like to point out that I tottally called the fighter weapon bays, even if I didn't think they popped out like that. LOL And the fluff writers can shove the grimdark flavor back into the other armies please and thank you. The only way I'll continue to play my Tau is if, and only if, I get to be the good guy. I'm fine with them being down in the muck, slug out, knock down, bad ___ fighters. But the second you tell me I'm just another bad guy in a world of bad guys...I'm out. My old codex is still legible and doesn't cost $50 bucks for no reason, so I'll use that. Getting excited for the models anyway. Now that I've seen more then one model of each I'm seeing how they may be custumoized! KIT BASH TIME!!!!
Tau have always been Grimdark, but it's always been in subtle and sinister ways. Sure if all you're used to is "Speyce Mureeens!" then they might seem like a breath of fresh air, but their background has always painted them as militant and expansionist, more than willing to exercise force when things don't go their way and of having a class-based society based on mind-control or enslavement of the masses with everyone who isn't Tau as the bottom-of-the-barrel underclass.
Personally, I'm hoping the Commander is more customisable than it appears. But, with it being fail-cast I think I'll probably end up grabbing a FW XV9, adding some alternate weapons and calling that my commander instead.
Rented Tritium wrote: Tau can get more grimdark if it's done in an elegant way without the sledgehammer subtle writing of the usual 12 year old fluff guys.
Personally, I'd love to see the fan theory about the tau being the descendants of the necrontyr as part of some huge plan moved more into canon.
No, that would be a gigantic error. Big problem with Necron fluff is that it is too specific about them (and other younger races like Ork and Eldar), not leaving enough for mystery. Subtle hints that something's amiss with Tau is much more effective.
Similarly, Tyranid origin is deliberately left to imagination, with such suggestions that they might be fleeing some even more terrible alien threat - now that's a hair-raising idea.
Puscifer wrote: Am I reading that right? Quad Ion Cannon? Heavy 3D3 Ion Cannon if it's the equivalent of gattling?
Probably something along the lines of 4-6 TL S7 AP3 shots, or overcharge for a few S8 small blasts. At least going off of what the rumors for the Riptide and Interceptor Drones / Pathfinders may be carrying.
SabrX wrote: I'm glad to see visual proof that Kroots will continue to exist in the new codex.
Huzzah! My 101 Kroots and 50 hounds won't be sitting on my shelf and collecting dust!
SabrX wrote: I'm glad to see visual proof that Kroots will continue to exist in the new codex.
Huzzah! My 101 Kroots and 50 hounds won't be sitting on my shelf and collecting dust!
That's a lot of FALSEs that I'll be handing out.
Serves them well for not believing in Kroot
Was there ever any confirmation on the rumored new Kroot plastics?
MechaBeast wrote: I recommend that the missile spam broadside be lovingly dubbed as the MMM for macross missile massacre
I think Kotobukiya sells missiles as part of their line of Gundam aftermarket parts. Would love to see a Broadside conversion where all of the missiles are launching using those and some fishing line for contrails.
SabrX wrote: I'm glad to see visual proof that Kroots will continue to exist in the new codex.
Huzzah! My 101 Kroots and 50 hounds won't be sitting on my shelf and collecting dust!
That's a lot of FALSEs that I'll be handing out.
Serves them well for not believing in Kroot
Was there ever any confirmation on the rumored new Kroot plastics?
Hammerhead/Sky Ray is a loser at $60 with its 20% price increase for no, as of yet discovered, reason. XV-8 team for $65 is surprisingly good and lessens the blow of paying for 12 year old flawed models.
I still think the Pathfinder team is the only quality buy in the bunch at $35 considering how they used to be available and the new importance of drones.
It's not a good deal since most people would probably only buy one or two, but are now forced to buy 3...
That's quite a bit more profit for gw, espcially since crisis suits are probably arround 60-80% pure profit right now.
IPS wrote: That's quite a bit more profit for gw, espcially since crisis suits are probably arround 60-80% pure profit right now.
It is also a $3.33 discount ($10 off total on 3 models that used to be available individually) on a 12 year old model that had design flaws the day it came out. It is a nice discount over where they were a week ago but for a new release it is still disappointing.
Hammerhead/Sky Ray is a loser at $60 with its 20% price increase for no, as of yet discovered, reason.
The reason isn't that hard to discover.
The Skyray kit pretty much invalidated the Hammerhead kit. It included all the same frames, at the same price point.
Anyone who expected them to retain the same price on the Skyray kit was kidding themselves.
Rented Tritium wrote: Personally, I'd love to see the fan theory about the tau being the descendants of the necrontyr as part of some huge plan moved more into canon.
Rented Tritium wrote: Tau can get more grimdark if it's done in an elegant way without the sledgehammer subtle writing of the usual 12 year old fluff guys.
Kanluwen wrote: Anyone who expected them to retain the same price on the Skyray kit was kidding themselves.
The fact that the same exact kit was already available for $49.50 is precisely why it is garbage that it went up to $60. GW priced the Sky Ray $49.50 knowing full well its contents. This isn't them making a proper adjustment, it is simply a price hike. Unless they add in some fancy new drone or weapon sprues it is an unwarranted price increase using the new release as an excuse.
Kanluwen wrote: Anyone who expected them to retain the same price on the Skyray kit was kidding themselves.
The fact that the same exact kit was already available for $49.50 is precisely why it is garbage that it went up to $60. GW priced the Sky Ray $49.50 knowing full well its contents. This isn't them making a proper adjustment, it is simply a price hike. Unless they add in some fancy new drone or weapon sprues it is an unwarranted price increase using the new release as an excuse.
As opposed to any other time the exact same (or lesser) contents are repriced whenever a new release comes out?
Considering that it's a 12 year old model which was overpriced at $20 when it first came out...
It's more of a "refrain from punishment" than a "give a reward".
Probably they want to get the last gasp out of the sprue before retiring it in favor of new suits.
Speaking of...
In the Riptide interview Matt Holland talks about designing the Enforcer suit. But the new Battlesuit Commander is Edgar Ramos and the Cadre Fireblade is Dave Thomas(Founder of Wendy's). Does that mean he just did the art or is there a new suit coming later?
Rented Tritium wrote: Personally, I'd love to see the fan theory about the tau being the descendants of the necrontyr as part of some huge plan moved more into canon.
Rented Tritium wrote: Tau can get more grimdark if it's done in an elegant way without the sledgehammer subtle writing of the usual 12 year old fluff guys.
IPS wrote: It's not a good deal since most people would probably only buy one or two, but are now forced to buy 3...
That's quite a bit more profit for gw, espcially since crisis suits are probably arround 60-80% pure profit right now.
Veskrashen wrote: Couple more tidbits scavenged from Warseer and ATT:
- Stealth teams keep Shrouded and Stealth, and can take a Homing Beacon.
- Crisis are apparently 3 suits + optional Shas'vre, for a total of 4 per unit.
If these are true, might give us a bit more flexibility in the Elites section - bigger Crisis units means we can still take 8 Crisis and fit in a Stealth team for Beacon and other support.
The way Veskrashen's post is worded, it sounds as though Crisis Teams will be no smaller than 3. In which case GW is selling us the squad minimum in that box set. In which case there's no good reason to buy just 1 or 2, especially at a markup.
Rented Tritium wrote: Personally, I'd love to see the fan theory about the tau being the descendants of the necrontyr as part of some huge plan moved more into canon.
Rented Tritium wrote: Tau can get more grimdark if it's done in an elegant way without the sledgehammer subtle writing of the usual 12 year old fluff guys.
Beep boop does not compute
I'm sorry you're bad at understanding things.
We already have the actually subtle plan by the Emperor... its pretty rare for GW to 180 on an allusion in their fluff... Though some necrontyr/tau connection would be awesome.
Rented Tritium wrote:Tau can get more grimdark if it's done in an elegant way without the sledgehammer subtle writing of the usual 12 year old fluff guys.
Personally, I'd love to see the fan theory about the tau being the descendants of the necrontyr as part of some huge plan moved more into canon.
I'd prefer it if the tau were either made by the last remaining Old Ones or were affected by something the Adeptus Mechanicus "accidentally" left on the Tau home world when they first discovered them.
I'd even prefer the Tau being the creation of the Eldar over the 'Crons. Seriously, the 'crons being the ancestors of the Tau "would" be the sledgehammer writing of the usual fluff.
Now a mysterious fated purpose from the old ones or some secret design of the Ad Mech could easily be written in an elegant nebulous grim/dark manner.
SonicPara wrote:
The fact that the same exact kit was already available for $49.50 is precisely why it is garbage that it went up to $60. GW priced the Sky Ray $49.50 knowing full well its contents. This isn't them making a proper adjustment, it is simply a price hike. Unless they add in some fancy new drone or weapon sprues it is an unwarranted price increase using the new release as an excuse.
I agree, that is why, while all of you were busy being upset by the price hike that we all knew was coming, I bought a Sky Ray NIB tonight for $42 off of Ebay.
Seriously though, I picked up the last cheap one currently listed while bits shopping for all of the upcoming converting that we are going to have to do (I'm betting that Missile pods will no longer be the weapon load-out of choice for the XV8's)
So yeah, Bits shopping tonight and reserved my WD today.....hard to believe that I am finally starting to buy for the update.
Rented Tritium wrote: Personally, I'd love to see the fan theory about the tau being the descendants of the necrontyr as part of some huge plan moved more into canon.
Rented Tritium wrote: Tau can get more grimdark if it's done in an elegant way without the sledgehammer subtle writing of the usual 12 year old fluff guys.
Beep boop does not compute
I'm sorry you're bad at understanding things.
I can't decide if it would be funnier if you didn't understand the irony, or if it was that you honestly believed that fan theory was better than GW writing. Rule #1, have a good one, keep doin' your thing champ.
It's not a good deal since most people would probably only buy one or two, but are now forced to buy 3...
That's quite a bit more profit for gw, espcially since crisis suits are probably arround 60-80% pure profit right now.
IDK, if you are starting out you probably want 6 suits so a pack of three is good value. Veteran players probably already have all the suits they need, and might pick up the new Commander model or Broadside, in which case they can convert their current commander and Broadsides into standard suits.
IPS wrote: So I've sketched a little redesign for the Riptide that I will personally try to scratchbuild. (since I don't particularly like the GW design and it's too expansive for my taste.)
Maybe some of you can get some inspiration out of this as well.
Very nice design, I like the scale you've used, and good luck with the scratch build, I've already built something similar myself.
It doesn't look like multi-trackers are built in. Seeing as all the suits except the commander (and the shield guy) have them on their shoulders.
Would it be a free upgrade but still takes up a slot?
Well it is an "upgraded suit" so I would guess that it is possible that it is built in but we can not see it or something like that. Take for instance that the new Suit has a pauldron on the left shoulder. Why is that there? Could it be housing new electronics?
Also take into account the size of the jump pack as well as the section right infront of the suits "head" These are all possible outcomes.
I've just checked the first tau codex, and they reused the models from that one, repainting the heads.
So it's nothing new they built for this release.
Rented Tritium wrote: Personally, I'd love to see the fan theory about the tau being the descendants of the necrontyr as part of some huge plan moved more into canon.
Rented Tritium wrote: Tau can get more grimdark if it's done in an elegant way without the sledgehammer subtle writing of the usual 12 year old fluff guys.
Beep boop does not compute
I'm sorry you're bad at understanding things.
I can't decide if it would be funnier if you didn't understand the irony, or if it was that you honestly believed that fan theory was better than GW writing. Rule #1, have a good one, keep doin' your thing champ.
So are you ever going to post something substantive about this or are you just going to make fun of me over it without explaining your thoughts? "Hurr durr, nope" is not actually a worthwhile post.
Lysenis wrote:Well it is an "upgraded suit" so I would guess that it is possible that it is built in but we can not see it or something like that. Take for instance that the new Suit has a pauldron on the left shoulder. Why is that there? Could it be housing new electronics?
Also take into account the size of the jump pack as well as the section right infront of the suits "head" These are all possible outcomes.
I wasn't referring to the XV8-05 but the other suits around him. The battle report in the OP suggested that BSF and multi-trackers are built into all XV8s now.
IPS wrote:I've just checked the first tau codex, and they reused the models from that one, repainting the heads.
So it's nothing new they built for this release.
@hk1x1
nice project you've got there ; )
Haha that is just laziness at its finest right there!
Pre-order up in less than 24 hours. My local flgs is currently shut and after a bad experience with total wargames I may just bend over and take the one click bundle on the ipad from the comfort of my pit lol
Rented Tritium wrote:Tau can get more grimdark if it's done in an elegant way without the sledgehammer subtle writing of the usual 12 year old fluff guys.
Personally, I'd love to see the fan theory about the tau being the descendants of the necrontyr as part of some huge plan moved more into canon.
I'd prefer it if the tau were either made by the last remaining Old Ones or were affected by something the Adeptus Mechanicus "accidentally" left on the Tau home world when they first discovered them.
I'd even prefer the Tau being the creation of the Eldar over the 'Crons. Seriously, the 'crons being the ancestors of the Tau "would" be the sledgehammer writing of the usual fluff.
Now a mysterious fated purpose from the old ones or some secret design of the Ad Mech could easily be written in an elegant nebulous grim/dark manner.
SonicPara wrote:
The fact that the same exact kit was already available for $49.50 is precisely why it is garbage that it went up to $60. GW priced the Sky Ray $49.50 knowing full well its contents. This isn't them making a proper adjustment, it is simply a price hike. Unless they add in some fancy new drone or weapon sprues it is an unwarranted price increase using the new release as an excuse.
I agree, that is why, while all of you were busy being upset by the price hike that we all knew was coming, I bought a Sky Ray NIB tonight for $42 off of Ebay.
Seriously though, I picked up the last cheap one currently listed while bits shopping for all of the upcoming converting that we are going to have to do (I'm betting that Missile pods will no longer be the weapon load-out of choice for the XV8's)
So yeah, Bits shopping tonight and reserved my WD today.....hard to believe that I am finally starting to buy for the update.
Pfff, aye right, GW writing the AdMech as anything other than stooges? You can't go more than five paces in 40K without running into a Techpriest who's secretly a Necron, or who was duped by THE EMPRAH, or by Horus, or a *hint hint nudge nudge* implication that the whole organisation is essentially a lie based on their being brainwashed by a C'tan in their dreams or some crap. Right now the AdMech are up there with the Iron Hands, Sisters of Battle, and Abaddon as GW's go-to fluff punching bags.
mh_mini wrote: It doesn't look like multi-trackers are built in. Seeing as all the suits except the commander (and the shield guy) have them on their shoulders.
Would it be a free upgrade but still takes up a slot?
Anyone have any thoughts or information on this?
Maybe it was just me, because I can't find anything to back it up now that I'm searching, but I was pretty sure the Multi Tracker part officially pulled double-duty as a Drone Controller
Veskrashen wrote: Couple more tidbits scavenged from Warseer and ATT:
- Crisis are apparently 3 suits + optional Shas'vre, for a total of 4 per unit.
The way Veskrashen's post is worded, it sounds as though Crisis Teams will be no smaller than 3. In which case GW is selling us the squad minimum in that box set. In which case there's no good reason to buy just 1 or 2, especially at a markup.
Keep in mind that the above is a relay from a guy on ATT - I can't confirm that Crisis are a minimum of 3 in the new codex. The way his post was worded made it sound like the max squad size was 4 though.
gr1m_dan wrote: I am massively surprised no one has mentioned
"Farsight Enclave Firewarrior Shoulder pads" - WE GET CUSTOMISED SHOULDER PADS?!?!? Holy cow bell. Makes a nice change.
Also - in that pic of the leaked Codex there are a few various suit sizes. Maybe one of those is the Enforcer armour?
If Forgeworld released Sept-specific pads I'd buy them in a heartbeat.
Technically the new Battlesuit Commander is the Enforcer. I'm just surprised Matt Holland mentions designing it when it's another person that sculpted it. Maybe they'll release a plastic later?
mh_mini wrote: It doesn't look like multi-trackers are built in. Seeing as all the suits except the commander (and the shield guy) have them on their shoulders.
Would it be a free upgrade but still takes up a slot?
Anyone have any thoughts or information on this?
Maybe it was just me, because I can't find anything to back it up now that I'm searching, but I was pretty sure the Multi Tracker part officially pulled double-duty as a Drone Controller
It was definitely listed as both in the 3rd edition codex. They just painted it different colors on the studio army.
SonicPara wrote:
The fact that the same exact kit was already available for $49.50 is precisely why it is garbage that it went up to $60. GW priced the Sky Ray $49.50 knowing full well its contents. This isn't them making a proper adjustment, it is simply a price hike. Unless they add in some fancy new drone or weapon sprues it is an unwarranted price increase using the new release as an excuse.
I agree, that is why, while all of you were busy being upset by the price hike that we all knew was coming, I bought a Sky Ray NIB tonight for $42 off of Ebay.
Seriously though, I picked up the last cheap one currently listed while bits shopping for all of the upcoming converting that we are going to have to do (I'm betting that Missile pods will no longer be the weapon load-out of choice for the XV8's)
So yeah, Bits shopping tonight and reserved my WD today.....hard to believe that I am finally starting to buy for the update.
On the topic of bits, I wonder if they'll see a sudden spike in the sales of stealth suits as people use the torsos to convert bigger heads for the Riptide and use the shoulderpads to convert Fire Warriors into Fire Blades.
I don't know if needed but I can give a quick traduction of the picture if it has any value. Apparently there is two drones included in the Riptide kit and three different heads.
Actually the CIB has rending right now...sort of. It ignores armor on rolls to wound of 6. But it would be better if it actually had rending, since that allows it to wound on a 6 regardless of toughness.
True, true. But it is a bit upsetting how few of its 5 shots ever end up killing anything. I picture the CIB to be like an assault cannon, but firing more volatile ammunition. I suppose it's just wishful thinking. But still, S3?? Awful...
I actually use the CIB all the time. I run it on my BS5 commander with a Plasma rifle, and pair him with a unit of Burst cannon/Plasma suits. It goes with the Plasma nicely. With BS5 he usually hits with all of them, and because it usually needs 5 or 6's to wound, basically all the wounds ignore armor. I often get about 2 6's, so that combined with the plasma usually combines for plenty of AP2 fire. Do I wish it was str 4? Yes. Do I wish it actually had rending (as opposed to pseud-rending)? yes. Is it pretty good as is? Yes.
RogueRegault wrote: Technically the new Battlesuit Commander is the Enforcer. I'm just surprised Matt Holland mentions designing it when it's another person that sculpted it. Maybe they'll release a plastic later?
Not technically, it is the XV8-05 Crisis "Enforcer" armor. I also wouldn't hold your breath on plastic for it, as I just don't see it happening.
Rented Tritium wrote:Tau can get more grimdark if it's done in an elegant way without the sledgehammer subtle writing of the usual 12 year old fluff guys.
Personally, I'd love to see the fan theory about the tau being the descendants of the necrontyr as part of some huge plan moved more into canon.
I'd prefer it if the tau were either made by the last remaining Old Ones or were affected by something the Adeptus Mechanicus "accidentally" left on the Tau home world when they first discovered them.
I'd even prefer the Tau being the creation of the Eldar over the 'Crons. Seriously, the 'crons being the ancestors of the Tau "would" be the sledgehammer writing of the usual fluff.
Now a mysterious fated purpose from the old ones or some secret design of the Ad Mech could easily be written in an elegant nebulous grim/dark manner.
If you check in the gw book Xeneology (which by the way, is actually pretty good) it leads to the conclusion that the meddlers in the tau are indeed the Eldar.
There is a ton of great fluff (from most of the races) including some amazing biology stuff on the orks and the nids, and overall the book has a fun story as well.
I had also heard from others who follow more books and fluff than I do, that the motivation for the eldar in messing with tau evolution was
1 - the eldar were dying out
2 - tau are immune / mostly immune to chaos.
Kind of them needing a long term ally or survivor in the war against chaos and the ctan maybe. (last part is my own personal speculation).
Also, as the eldar an an Old ones child race, in a way, the tau are their eventual inheritors. While some tau players may not like this, to be honest, I think its kind of cool.
But each to their own.
So, back to rumors and stuff.
Broadsides: Will just use my old ones until I can covert my XV9's (oh why, gw, why wont you add fw units in....).
Combining two old railguns (I have a lot) will not be hard to make a new double barreled heavy rail rifle - the challenge I think will be in figuring out how to mount one to an XV9, and what to put in the other hand.
(the sms?).
Building the "Missile-side" may be more interesting....I am considering either something like a missile cluster weapon (three misile pods in a triad formation around a stock and handle?).
If only my 3d cad skills were better...
Fireblade: Depending on how many you can actually get in an army, and their use, I will prolly only buy one.
If I need more (i.e. it makes sense to field more than one) I will just try to convert fire warriors, to get different poses.
On another note; have skyrays gone up in price in your local store yet?
A few years back there was an extremely well done Fan-fic story about the Tau and their dominance of the known 40k universe. The Imperium had been pushed back to Segmentum Solar and the Orks had been biologically altered by the Tau to accept the Greater Good as their philosophy (even going as far as calling them Grey Skins) But the overriding conclusion was the Eldar had altered the Tau to defeat Chaos and to Close the Eye of Terror.
The story itself was told from an Ultramarine who was lost in the warp and was found thousands of years later.....
I would only buy a Broadside now for the Missile suit option. I have 4 old Broadside suits already. That is the best part of this upcoming release, most Tau players can get away with only spending $250 tonight! (Riptide, Broadside, Sunshark, Codex)
Oaka wrote: I just went to my local store, they have the Tau codex at $49.50 US and the Tau limited edition codex as a GW-only direct order at $100. Does anyone know what the heck is in the limited edition codex that makes it cost twice as much?
Just to bring this up again, I noticed the Chaos Marines codex is $50 and the limited edition was $83. That came with a bookmark, silver-lined pages, and a blood-spattered cover. I'm still curious as to how the limited edition Tau codex will warrant double the price. Maybe you're all right and it's GW testing just how much they can charge for a limited edition book.
Rented Tritium wrote: Personally, I'd love to see the fan theory about the tau being the descendants of the necrontyr as part of some huge plan moved more into canon.
Rented Tritium wrote: Tau can get more grimdark if it's done in an elegant way without the sledgehammer subtle writing of the usual 12 year old fluff guys.
Beep boop does not compute
I'm sorry you're bad at understanding things.
I can't decide if it would be funnier if you didn't understand the irony, or if it was that you honestly believed that fan theory was better than GW writing. Rule #1, have a good one, keep doin' your thing champ.
So are you ever going to post something substantive about this or are you just going to make fun of me over it without explaining your thoughts? "Hurr durr, nope" is not actually a worthwhile post.
Right with you, Rented, speculation/opinion/hopes don't deserve random attacks.
Lobukia wrote: Guys, there are online vendors doing preorders already... I got 15% and free shipping on some flyers and a new broadside +some pathfinders.
I'll be getting a codex from my FLGS as I'd rather they stay open; I don't plan on getting any minis so this will likely be my only tau related purchase for my tau army. The most I'll do is finally add the farsight sword bits I've got laying around to my Shaso Rymr model's hip as a counts as conversion.
Rented Tritium wrote: So are you ever going to post something substantive about this or are you just going to make fun of me over it without explaining your thoughts? "Hurr durr, nope" is not actually a worthwhile post.
It seems to me that the vast majority of fan theories are worse than GW writing. GW writing may not be good but "they were necrontyr all along" is lazy and doesn't fit into the background. The current fluff is pretty much the exact opposite in fact -- that the Tau were aided by the Eldar who are not fans of the necrontyr at all. In this, Tau = necrontyr is more hamfisted than some of the hammiest GW writing, hence the perceived irony when you propose that as a great fluff idea and bash GW's admittedly sometimes dumb fluff in the same breath.
RogueRegault wrote: Technically the new Battlesuit Commander is the Enforcer. I'm just surprised Matt Holland mentions designing it when it's another person that sculpted it. Maybe they'll release a plastic later?
Not technically, it is the XV8-05 Crisis "Enforcer" armor. I also wouldn't hold your breath on plastic for it, as I just don't see it happening.
The size chart shows the XV-8 as having a separate waist like the Enforcer armor, which indicates the direction of the design if/when they do update the plastic kit. For now, GW is just milking more profit out of the old sprues. They can update the Crisis suit anytime they feel like.
Does it not seem a bit weak that a Missiletide suit has 32 missiles showing...but the rumors are only a TL heavy 4 shot?
TL heavy 4 shot would be 8 missiles, so the Missiletide only has enough ammo for 4 turns of shooting. Also assuming that the arm pods and shoulder mount are not two different systems (normal SMS for the shoulder, and heavier version on the arms)
Same, to an extent. I really want to see some more stories about how awesome they are. Past battles and whatnot. Maybe have them go more in depth with where the ethereals came from?
Cant wait to flip through the WD tomorrow!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and i wasnt sure how I'd feel about it, but im actually pretty glad kroot are still there. Hopefully they have some cool new stuff to make them even more playable,
Lobukia wrote: Guys, there are online vendors doing preorders already... I got 15% and free shipping on some flyers and a new broadside +some pathfinders.
I'll be getting a codex from my FLGS as I'd rather they stay open; I don't plan on getting any minis so this will likely be my only tau related purchase for my tau army. The most I'll do is finally add the farsight sword bits I've got laying around to my Shaso Rymr model's hip as a counts as conversion.
Same, to an extent. I really want to see some more stories about how awesome they are. Past battles and whatnot. Maybe have them go more in depth with where the ethereals came from?
Cant wait to flip through the WD tomorrow!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and i wasnt sure how I'd feel about it, but im actually pretty glad kroot are still there. Hopefully they have some cool new stuff to make them even more playable,
I want to be able to have a squad of 1-5 Krootox without tying them to a unit of Kroot
Same, to an extent. I really want to see some more stories about how awesome they are. Past battles and whatnot. Maybe have them go more in depth with where the ethereals came from?
Cant wait to flip through the WD tomorrow!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and i wasnt sure how I'd feel about it, but im actually pretty glad kroot are still there. Hopefully they have some cool new stuff to make them even more playable,
I want to be able to have a squad of 1-5 Krootox without tying them to a unit of Kroot
I'm not really a fan of krootox squads, but I'm also glad that kroot are still in.
Didn't really like them when I started playing tau, and never field mine, but they really grew on me, and now I would be more than happy to actually use them.^^
Also for all those who think Tau lacking grim darkness, Kroot are the more grim and dark than most of the other races out there.. XD
I know they are not Tau, but the fact that they ally with such creatures is rather sinister
I love what I'm hearing about the codex! Improvements all around!
While We get some really cool new units, and the units we have are either getting less expensive or better to match the point values.
My biggest fear, however, is...
I haven't heard anything new regarding new troops or heck, even dividing kroot from their hounds or oxes. (how boss would it be to have a pack of kroot hounds that only required one kroot pack-herder?). I'm not wishlisting here, but I have heard NOTHING about new troop options, and that scares me, not because I think FW are bad, but because If we only have 2 troop choices, it's very easy for our opponants to build a one-size-fits-all anti-fw build. Giving us options at least keeps opponants on their toes on what we could bring to the table.
I mean yes. Other armies only have 1-2 troop choices, but it's either because it's their flavor (Necrons), or they're so dang reliable (SM, CSM and Necrons again), Or their super customizable (SM, CSM, ect.) So it does happen, but it's not as much of a negative impact on other teams.
We show up with 2 troop choices, the best of which is somewhat uncustomizable and mediocre at surviving (NOT complaining about their damage potential), we are immediately put at a disadvantage. My opponants know EXACTLY what troops I'm bringing, and he knows what they'll be packing every time. So he can tailor his lists. It's frusterating.
Besides that, absolutely estatic about the new codex stuff I've been hearing. Can't wait!
Tauownz wrote: Looking forward to everything but the 6 up disruption pod via Faeit. If that's true that's pretty salty of a Nerf.
I could be wrong, but I'm guessing it's a +6 natual cover save, and if you combine that with the cover save they get from moving (they should still get that, right? What's it called, Jink?) it could be as low as 4+ cover save after movement.
That's the way I see it right now, anyways. Not terrible, slightly nerfed, but then again, Dispods were always kinda too good.
I want to see the price for Dfish, I really hope they're less expensive.
Tauownz wrote: Looking forward to everything but the 6 up disruption pod via Faeit. If that's true that's pretty salty of a Nerf.
I could be wrong, but I'm guessing it's a +6 natual cover save, and if you combine that with the cover save they get from moving (they should still get that, right? What's it called, Jink?) it could be as low as 4+ cover save after movement.
That's the way I see it right now, anyways. Not terrible, slightly nerfed, but then again, Dispods were always kinda too good.
I want to see the price for Dfish, I really hope they're less expensive.
A 2+ to a 4+ jink save is one hefty nerf.
But i cant wait to see all the unit prices. the list builder in me is getting ecstatic.
Please, oh please tell me you know which version this is. I've been pondering getting such a suit if I want to make a missileside, it would be perfect.
Rented Tritium wrote: So are you ever going to post something substantive about this or are you just going to make fun of me over it without explaining your thoughts? "Hurr durr, nope" is not actually a worthwhile post.
It seems to me that the vast majority of fan theories are worse than GW writing. GW writing may not be good but "they were necrontyr all along" is lazy and doesn't fit into the background. The current fluff is pretty much the exact opposite in fact -- that the Tau were aided by the Eldar who are not fans of the necrontyr at all. In this, Tau = necrontyr is more hamfisted than some of the hammiest GW writing, hence the perceived irony when you propose that as a great fluff idea and bash GW's admittedly sometimes dumb fluff in the same breath.
"Hamfisted" has nothing to do with story, it has to do with execution.
A good story can be hamfistidly executed and a bad story can be elegantly crafted. When I say I want less hamfisted 12 year old sledgehammer writing, that has literally nothing to do with the actual events of the story, it has to do with how they are presented.
Please, oh please tell me you know which version this is. I've been pondering getting such a suit if I want to make a missileside, it would be perfect.
Tauownz wrote: Looking forward to everything but the 6 up disruption pod via Faeit. If that's true that's pretty salty of a Nerf.
I could be wrong, but I'm guessing it's a +6 natual cover save, and if you combine that with the cover save they get from moving (they should still get that, right? What's it called, Jink?) it could be as low as 4+ cover save after movement.
That's the way I see it right now, anyways. Not terrible, slightly nerfed, but then again, Dispods were always kinda too good.
I want to see the price for Dfish, I really hope they're less expensive.
A 2+ to a 4+ jink save is one hefty nerf.
But i cant wait to see all the unit prices. the list builder in me is getting ecstatic.
2+ behind/in 4+ cover, 3+ at over 12", and a 5+ or nothing under 12" is good yes, but a straight +1 is fine. I mean, remember, it used to just confer obscured.
If it's a straight +1 cover save, not just outside 12", then that's fine. Hell, even outside of 12" it's not bad.
2+ behind/in 4+ cover, 3+ at over 12", and a 5+ or nothing under 12" is good yes, but a straight +1 is fine. I mean, remember, it used to just confer obscured.
If it's a straight +1 cover save, not just outside 12", then that's fine. Hell, even outside of 12" it's not bad.
Well if its a +1 to cover save or just stealth. That would be great. but i was under the impression at least from naftk it may be a +1 invul (which would be silly)
Please, oh please tell me you know which version this is. I've been pondering getting such a suit if I want to make a missileside, it would be perfect.
This is the Endless Waltz version. The orginal Wing version was red.
I must be missing something. You move ur hammerhead 3" you get a 4+ right now out side 12". What do they mean with the 6+ then. +1 to your cover, so having jink + dp = 4+ outside of 12" or 3+ in ruins. Just trying to understand the new effects.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Looks like pathfinders don't need a Devilfish anymore as an auto take. That's a positive.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Well, Sensor spines might be good now. Park in ruins, move two inches, ignore.
Speaking of, I really hope they replace the Acute Senses on crisis suits with something that will actually benefit the unit (Like Move Through Cover). Not much point for an outflanking bonus on a unit that can't outflank.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Please, oh please tell me you know which version this is. I've been pondering getting such a suit if I want to make a missileside, it would be perfect.
It is FAR too big for a missile broadside. 1/100 scale gundam kits like that are usually around 7 or 8 inches tall while the smaller 1/144 scale ones are around 5 or 6 inches tall. The 1/100 would work well for a Riptide and a 1/144 would be a very tall Broadside.
RogueRegault wrote: Technically the new Battlesuit Commander is the Enforcer. I'm just surprised Matt Holland mentions designing it when it's another person that sculpted it. Maybe they'll release a plastic later?
Not technically, it is the XV8-05 Crisis "Enforcer" armor. I also wouldn't hold your breath on plastic for it, as I just don't see it happening.
The size chart shows the XV-8 as having a separate waist like the Enforcer armor, which indicates the direction of the design if/when they do update the plastic kit. For now, GW is just milking more profit out of the old sprues. They can update the Crisis suit anytime they feel like.
I did notice the very subtle differences in the Crisis suit in that size chart, but I was merely referring to the fact that I don't see a plastic version of the Commander's Enforcer armor happening. I do see, however, GW leaving the possibility open for a new Crisis model. What it seems to me with these most recent releases is that GW is making absolutely sure to have models for every new unit, whilst continuing to utilize older sculpts for Codex options that saw little or no changes; after all, GW doesn't want another Chapterhouse fiasco.
Funny this should be mentioned, because there is a little blurb in WD that mentions there isn't a skull in sight inside the Tau Codex. Made me laugh a little inside.
Been waiting for the official pictures to comment and I'm still not a fan.
The Riptide and Fliers look better than they did in the leaked pictures (surprise surprise), but I'm still not a fan of the general aesthetic on either, and I really feel £40 & £50 models shouldn't require converting.
I feel the Broadside looks even worse than in white dwarf; particularly its helmet and big ol' fan thing on the back; much preferred the original, and the missile variant looks almost laughable IMHO.
Cadre Fireblade looks terrible, but Darkstrider and the Battlesuit Commander look average-to-pretty-good.
Farsight however looks great; the best model Games Workshop's put out in ages. But still well overpriced.
Based on the 360 degree view of the Sun Shark Bomber and sprue pictures, the two ugly bars joining the wings to the horizontal stabilizer are separate bits. Removing them should be easy.
Splendid job by GW's painters on the Shadowsun Firestrike color scheme.
Davylove21 wrote: Trying to justify a LE codex, but it's double the price for a plastic cover? Pass.
I keep leaning that way too. I wanted to wait and see - I love the cover on it, but it's not like it will even get used for me. I wouldn't want to ruin it.
3 Carnifexes, 4 Warrior boxes (to make a brood of 10), Genestealers and not enough Termies to spawn from the Tervigon... who in their right mind would ever buy this?
xttz wrote: I noticed this when checking out pre-orders...
3 Carnifexes, 4 Warrior boxes (to make a brood of 10), Genestealers and not enough Termies to spawn from the Tervigon... who in their right mind would ever buy this?
They made 1-click orders for the armies featured in the WD Batrep. Guess that's the "in" thing now.
Davylove21 wrote: Trying to justify a LE codex, but it's double the price for a plastic cover? Pass.
I keep leaning that way too. I wanted to wait and see - I love the cover on it, but it's not like it will even get used for me. I wouldn't want to ruin it.
I also wish the pictures for the LE 'dex didn't look like they were taken in an 80's brothel
Davylove21 wrote: Trying to justify a LE codex, but it's double the price for a plastic cover? Pass.
I keep leaning that way too. I wanted to wait and see - I love the cover on it, but it's not like it will even get used for me. I wouldn't want to ruin it.
I also wish the pictures for the LE 'dex didn't look like they were taken in an 80's brothel
I agree. Part of me wonders if they did that to show the transparency of the slip cover or what. Think I'm gonna end up passing though. Spend the money on more models instead.
Maybe I'm leaping to conclusions a bit here, but the Razorshark Strike Fighter seems pretty useless to me.
compared to the bomber, it shifts the Ion weapons off the drones onto it's tail turret which can't fire forward properly, swaps a networked markerlight for a burst cannon, and then drops the bombing setup and the (Twin-Linked?) Missile pods.
I just fail to see how the Fighter is meant to secure the skies better than the Bomber whose Ion weapons have more practical traversal and are potentially accompanied by additional S7 shots from the missiles at the back, not to mention the ability to use a Markerlight hit to deny a Jink from a Flyer that is expected to Evade, and/or used to fire a seeker missile in addition to the rest of the firepower.
The Strike Fighter seems useful for hunting light ground vehicles and not much else.
edit: Having said all that, I like the flyers a lot more in full 360 than I thought I would, so I'm pretty high on the bomber at this point in time as you might suspect.
Drunkspleen wrote: Maybe I'm leaping to conclusions a bit here, but the Razorshark Strike Fighter seems pretty useless to me.
compared to the bomber, it shifts the Ion weapons off the drones onto it's tail turret which can't fire forward properly, swaps a networked markerlight for a burst cannon, and then drops the bombing setup and the (Twin-Linked?) Missile pods.
I just fail to see how the Fighter is meant to secure the skies better than the Bomber whose Ion weapons have more practical traversal and are potentially accompanied by additional S7 shots from the missiles at the back, not to mention the ability to use a Markerlight hit to deny a Jink from a Flyer that is expected to Evade, and/or used to fire a seeker missile in addition to the rest of the firepower.
The Strike Fighter seems useful for hunting light ground vehicles and not much else.
Only thing i can think of is perhaps the interceptor drones may only be able to fire at air targets but i don't have the book stats.
Looking at the sprues is interesting. Pathfinder sprue looks to be pretty densely packed. Only problem I can see is that the rail rifle and ion rifle look like they'll be a bear to use for anything other than their default pose.
Looks like the specialist rifles come three to a pack, and the vanes on the back of the ion rifle open while it's overcharging.
Drone parts I can spot on the sprue are grav inhibitor, pulse accelerator, gun, shield, markerlight. Kind of sad they didn't make a separate drone sprue. Although I can potentially take the multiple drones I already have from FW sets and build all six.
Also note that the particle accelerator is also present on the 3M broadside. I wonder if it's some kind of overcharge wargear.
so the pricing goodness 40 min drive and i save 15 dollar a model well cross boarder shopping here i come.
that riptide 100 cad come on fairsight 60 and a codex its getting close to saving even after the drive. i had my card already to buy but that price just made me walk away good on you GW
My wallet is now crying, but it was worth the wait Didnt realise what i had added until i went to checkout, then decided to do some cutbacks as it build up to over £600 a bit too quickly 0_o
airmang wrote: The blurb about the Sunshark having extra maneuvering thrusters, does this mean it'll have vector dancer? Just a thought.
Maybe, my assumption was just that it would have Hover mode, that's what Vetock did with the Dark Angels flyers, the Bomber has a bunch of extra thrusters underneath and has the Hover Strike special rule, while the Fighter without them is just a normal flyer.
Wayland games are doing 30% off retail costs, I wasn't going to buy anything until after my trip to Tokyo but I've just ordered a riptide for £35 + £1.50 or so shipping. I couldn't turn that down!
I'm liking the broadside more and more, except for the missile variant obviously...and I don't like that big seeker missile glued to its back. And I wish the guns were mounted on both shoulders instead of just the one. But other than all that, lol...
Although sadly it looks like the kit isn't very pose-able. The legs appear to be molded in that default kneeling pose. Looks like it might have some extra bits though, like aerials and stuff, so customizing other suits with the leftovers might be kinda fun.
Other sad news is that the crisis kit is obviously the exact same kit but in a three-pack now, not even a re-cut.
Farsight looks fething awesome. I don't know about those streamers honestly, but I love the model. Shame it's Finecast and has a $50 price tag...that's a pretty big gamble.
Pathfinders are alright, no real complaints there.
Not sure if the generic commander is worth it. Finecast, so again another big gamble...is it just me or is that price fething stupid, by the way? Seriously, $41...not $39.99 or $40 even, but $41. Because they have to squeeze that extra fething dollar out of every sale I guess? It's almost insulting.
Still not sold on the flyer, wouldn't buy one unless I was hit by a stroke of genius and wanted to cut it all apart and build something new. The riptide...I still don't like the design or even the idea of it that much, but I wouldn't say I'd never get one (though I'd probably never pay $85 for it if I did). Mine would have to be very heavily modified I think, and the first thing to go would be those aerials sticking out of his ankles I think.
tenrag wrote: so the pricing goodness 40 min drive and i save 15 dollar a model well cross boarder shopping here i come.
that riptide 100 cad come on fairsight 60 and a codex its getting close to saving even after the drive. i had my card already to buy but that price just made me walk away good on you GW
I get the feeling LGS in Bellingham and other border towns will probably do very good business.
Still torn on the broadsides. Part of me likes the model, the other part of me is "You'll need to buy three of them, which is $120 after discount, and you don't know if they're any good." and a third part of me just keeps playing the Konig Monster scene from Macross Frontier over and over again.
RogueRegault wrote: Still torn on the broadsides. Part of me likes the model, the other part of me is "You'll need to buy three of them, which is $120 after discount, and you don't know if they're any good." and a third part of me just keeps playing the Konig Monster scene from Macross Frontier over and over again.
I agree with you!
I have 3 of the old Broadsides, and i want to see the rules before I buy any more. Even if they do look AWESOME!
I don't like its base being 40mm. It's imossible to have it on top of the Bastion w/ a Qaud-gun. I hope it will at least be able to deploy inside the Bastion. Perhaps a cheap gun-drone can operate one of the Heavy Bolters.
I plan to use my old Broadsides and switch out the base, though I might be forced to buy the newer one if I got to major tournaments.
The model for the new Broadside is fantastic, but the base size and price is not.
Crisis suit price in Australia has come down heaps! Previously $41 each, now $80 for 3.
Broadsides went from $50 to $74 though :(
Also: white dwarf tau army copied my colour scheme :(
lordofthegophers wrote: I'll be ordering my stuff through Wayland Games, they're doing 30% off new Tau if you pre-order before Monday.
£35 Riptides, £28 Flyers and £14 for the new Pathfinders, I actually feel like I'm getting a bargain...on GW products...*gasp*!
I would have been tempted to order from them but have been burned badly by total wargamer and now a bit shy to put hundreds of pounds to potentially unreliable sources. Can you pm me and let me know your experience with them at some point.
lordofthegophers wrote: I'll be ordering my stuff through Wayland Games, they're doing 30% off new Tau if you pre-order before Monday.
£35 Riptides, £28 Flyers and £14 for the new Pathfinders, I actually feel like I'm getting a bargain...on GW products...*gasp*!
I would have been tempted to order from them but have been burned badly by total wargamer and now a bit shy to put hundreds of pounds to potentially unreliable sources. Can you pm me and let me know your experience with them at some point.
Wayland are good! I've ordered from them before and as far as I know, between my war gaming buddies, they haven't had problems either
You can pay through PayPal so if you don't receive goods you're covered
NEW TOYS for the god sake... I must refrain... My money... Not possible... I WANT THEM SO BAD yet i cant buy them out of the blue i hate my life. Those Wayland Games saves are abussive, they are just too good! D:
Interesting From the longstrike page
Master Gunship pilot Shas'la T'au Sha'ng, now better known as Longstrike, has quickly become the Fire caste's most heralded tank ace. Since his first training session, he exhibited an almost innate ability to handle a Hammerhead. Due to his unerring aim, Longstrike was chosen to trial the new XV02 pilot battlesuit.
Well... GW might want to push their online sell... but that one make me laught really hard One-Click Army for almost a thousand dollar... Hurry-up, while stock last! I seriously doubt GW is aiming the right public target with this one. I am not saying it's a fail, it only show once again the serious problem of marketing product. Seriously, who even spend a hundred dollar in online store without being anxious just a little about the shipping and defective product... ooO wait GW is safe let's be spontanious and throw them a thousand dollar in a one-click deal.
I like the description for the generic XV8 commander. "Psychic" ion blaster? Think that's a typo, lol.
Kroothawk wrote: Seems the Tau flyers have no landing gear ... like Kamikaze bombers
Well, I don't believe the piranha had landing gear, either. And that's basically all the stupid flyer is, an up-sized piranha.
Personally with my tanks I just cut the legs off and glued the flat part to the tank chassis, so that it looked like they weren't deployed. I didn't like the look of them with the gears deployed all the time and it sounded like a hassle swapping them in/out. A couple of them are a little warped though because this was years ago, before I had the sense to buy a saw to do any serious cutting with.
The LE codex is too expensive, but that goes without saying I guess. It's not bad-looking and I could see myself paying a little extra for it, but literally twice the price is just ridiculous.
Anyone who has the WD, does it show the costs for he units in the batrep like it used to? Really want to know he point cost for darkstrider, fireblafe, and longknife.
It's most likely an option tank, Devilfish or hammerhead.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Nafa...honestly I'd wait til you look over the dex and come up with some new army lists. At these prices you don't want to make a mistake purchasing a unit which doesn't perform.
looking at the broadsides sprues, I think i may look at using the missile pods from the kits to refit my old broadsides and make the new ones with the railguns, since i have 2 unassembled broadsides already.
Drunkspleen wrote: Maybe I'm leaping to conclusions a bit here, but the Razorshark Strike Fighter seems pretty useless to me.
compared to the bomber, it shifts the Ion weapons off the drones onto it's tail turret which can't fire forward properly, swaps a networked markerlight for a burst cannon, and then drops the bombing setup and the (Twin-Linked?) Missile pods.
I just fail to see how the Fighter is meant to secure the skies better than the Bomber whose Ion weapons have more practical traversal and are potentially accompanied by additional S7 shots from the missiles at the back, not to mention the ability to use a Markerlight hit to deny a Jink from a Flyer that is expected to Evade, and/or used to fire a seeker missile in addition to the rest of the firepower.
The Strike Fighter seems useful for hunting light ground vehicles and not much else.
edit: Having said all that, I like the flyers a lot more in full 360 than I thought I would, so I'm pretty high on the bomber at this point in time as you might suspect.
Well, the sprue pics make it look like you can swap the tail ion cannon and nose burst cannon with no magnets or mods necessary. I plan to do that less for gaming advantage (the nose turret has a far more restricted arc of fire than the tail) but because I like the idea of the burst cannon pointed backwards as a tail gun.
And given that it is a flier, most targets to the front will be well within the rear turret's arc.
As for why take it over the bomber? Well, so far, all drone mounted weapons are BS2, vs BS3 or 4 mounted on the fighter proper.
Tauownz wrote: Anyone who has the WD, does it show the costs for he units in the batrep like it used to? Really want to know he point cost for darkstrider, fireblafe, and longknife.
Nope...not a single mention of points values. GW's newfound love of "Forging a Narrative" was a big theme, and it was a really interesting, non-standard game with the 'Nids regenerating their troops after they were eliminated.
Not sure if it has been mentioned. But there is no sign of a new battleforce yet. The pics are up in this thread but a new force is nowhere to be found on the gw website. Wave 2? Or only shown when actually released?
I love how they didn't even wait for June/July for the price hike. $60 US for the hammerhead/skyray. Wasn't it like $10 less just this morning? Those that want some better hit up the online discounters before they run out of existing stock and have to sell at the new price.
megatrons2nd wrote: The codex says download your book today from the ibookstore. I don't have an iPad, but anyone who does can you download it, and if so is it worth it?
Well its 80$ now where as a few weeks back they were 50$.. and its a pre-order... not avail for download till the 6th
ph34r wrote: They are INCREASING the price of digital codex downloads? Garbage.
Only in Australia, I believe. GW seems to think digital Codexes and print Codexes should cost the same and is adjusting prices accordingly. The limited edition Codexes are just going up, but if the reaction from several posters in this very thread is enough to go from, it's working...
Well, pre-order confirms no new troop choices.
Hopefully Kroot and Firewarriors get new choices and customizations to make them somewhat upredicatble, or my previous post about "enemies tailoring their attacks on our predictable infantry" will be 100% true.
Hopefully the Ethereals, Darkstrider, and Fireblade alter and improve our troops enough to mix it up a bit...
All I want is to be good with a Tau infantry-focused army. ;_;
Well, pre-order confirms no new troop choices.
Hopefully Kroot and Firewarriors get new choices and customizations to make them somewhat upredicatble, or my previous post about "enemies tailoring their attacks on our predictable infantry" will be 100% true.
Hopefully the Ethereals, Darkstrider, and Fireblade alter and improve our troops enough to mix it up a bit...
All I want is to be good with a Tau infantry-focused army. ;_;
Scoring units can become unpredictable once you factor in allies. Scoring Nobz Bikers? Min-Necron Warriors inside Night Scythes? Two squads of 30 Shoota Boyz? 2 squads of BA Assault Marines?
There's so many choices with Tau. It's a win-win for anyone who is either Battle Brother or Ally of Convenience in the ally matrix.
Harriticus wrote: Did GW really put a random collection of Tyranid units, show it a paint scheme it won't come delivered as, and market it as something new?
It's a bundle of the same units used in the White Dwarf battle report.
A cursory glance of the item listing would tell you as much.
Ok im gonna come right out and say it. I do not like the XV8 Commander.
The exposed hands are dumb and there is something looks wrong with the corset waist. The jetpack also looks way to spaced out but that may be becuase the body itself is thinner and lets not even go into the whole finecast issue.. The reinforced ankles are nice though and i do like the gorget.
Also this...
a psychic ion blaster.
A rather amusing typo considering the Tau are the least Psychic race in 40k.
Harriticus wrote: Did GW really put a random collection of Tyranid units, show it a paint scheme it won't come delivered as, and market it as something new?
It's a bundle of the same units used in the White Dwarf battle report.
A cursory glance of the item listing would tell you as much.
I don't understand why they had to put it in preorders... oh right... it's because they think we're all morons, hence why a third of the "preorders" are just bundles where you don't save any money.
Drunkspleen wrote: Maybe I'm leaping to conclusions a bit here, but the Razorshark Strike Fighter seems pretty useless to me.
compared to the bomber, it shifts the Ion weapons off the drones onto it's tail turret which can't fire forward properly, swaps a networked markerlight for a burst cannon, and then drops the bombing setup and the (Twin-Linked?) Missile pods.
I just fail to see how the Fighter is meant to secure the skies better than the Bomber whose Ion weapons have more practical traversal and are potentially accompanied by additional S7 shots from the missiles at the back, not to mention the ability to use a Markerlight hit to deny a Jink from a Flyer that is expected to Evade, and/or used to fire a seeker missile in addition to the rest of the firepower.
The Strike Fighter seems useful for hunting light ground vehicles and not much else.
edit: Having said all that, I like the flyers a lot more in full 360 than I thought I would, so I'm pretty high on the bomber at this point in time as you might suspect.
If I recall from the WD scans, you can replace the burst cannon with a Missile Pod. So basically 4 to 6 S7 shots along with whatever bonus they get from replacing the drones with extra verniers.
Well, pre-order confirms no new troop choices.
Hopefully Kroot and Firewarriors get new choices and customizations to make them somewhat upredicatble, or my previous post about "enemies tailoring their attacks on our predictable infantry" will be 100% true.
Hopefully the Ethereals, Darkstrider, and Fireblade alter and improve our troops enough to mix it up a bit...
All I want is to be good with a Tau infantry-focused army. ;_;
Wait, do people in your meta actually switch army lists depending on what opponent they're fighting?
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ugh, Farsights Sept is WHITE not red.
Shas'o's reverse the colorscheme, that is why shadowsun's suit is white.
Actually Farsight is Vior'la, meaning his sept colour is red. Traditionally the sept colour is just a small bits here and there with the rest of the armour being a local camo.
I personally plan to paint my Farsight Enclave with red armor black fatigues and white and black highlights instead of the gray we see on the vehicles and battlesuits in the WD.
Well, pre-order confirms no new troop choices.
Hopefully Kroot and Firewarriors get new choices and customizations to make them somewhat upredicatble, or my previous post about "enemies tailoring their attacks on our predictable infantry" will be 100% true.
Hopefully the Ethereals, Darkstrider, and Fireblade alter and improve our troops enough to mix it up a bit...
All I want is to be good with a Tau infantry-focused army. ;_;
Wait, do people in your meta actually switch army lists depending on what opponent they're fighting?
That's not very sporting.
Yes. Yes they do. And those are the friendly matches I play against, like against my friends and brother. They know that my old codex only had about 3 or so good models (Crisis Suits, Broadsides (which ARE crisis suits) and my Tanks. They plan accordingly, all the time.
In non-friendly matches? They go full cheese.
Not many talk about it, but in my opinion, Tau's biggest problem with their 4e codex was their predictability. EVERYONE knew what you were bringing: Crisis Suits, Broadsides, Tanks. and probably very little troops or fast attack. Bring STR 8+ weapons for anti-suits and tanks, and a few pie plates for any troops he brings. And melee if you have it. Boom, tau-bane army.
I'm just afraid that we'll find ourselves in the same position again.
ph34r wrote: They are INCREASING the price of digital codex downloads? Garbage.
Nope. Same price as all the other 6th ed codexes. At least in the UK
Yeah its the same price here in Aus too, they bumped them all to $79.99... can anyone remember the thing where apple got into trouble for regional pricing of music off its store? where america etc got charged less for MP3's than others because "the physical copies were more expensive in those places" and tried to use distribution costs etc as an excuse? because it looks like GW is going down the same road....
Coyote81 wrote: So...odd question. with the release of the Xv15 finecast set. does that mean that they will be a different unit then the XV25 stealth team?
Perhaps the XV15s will have stealth and be troops, while the XV25 will be elites with stealth, shroud and have better upgrade options?
But with them being in the elite section on the website, i guess thats pretty much means I'm completely nuts. Or just a sad hopefully panda.
Maybe? It's be cool, but probably not.
The XV15s have always existed next to theXV25s... I honestly don't know why they still sell both models if they have the same ruleset. Not that I'm complaining, the SV15s are way cooler IMO, so if they keep them, I'm all for it.
Yea, I have 6 XV15s and 3 XV25s, I only use the Xv25s when I need a fusiongun. Whichs never. I don't really like the XV25s look. If they had made XV15s troops, I would have played with them far mroe then I ever did before. And now they compete with the Riptide as well.....
Coyote81 wrote: So...odd question. with the release of the Xv15 finecast set. does that mean that they will be a different unit then the XV25 stealth team?
Perhaps the XV15s will have stealth and be troops, while the XV25 will be elites with stealth, shroud and have better upgrade options?
But with them being in the elite section on the website, i guess thats pretty much means I'm completely nuts. Or just a sad hopefully panda.
That would be very interesting. I have always wondered why they kept the XV15s around. Maybe they finally have a use for them? If I'm not mistaken they have been finecast since GW switch the first Tau units over.
With the new codex it looks like it's finally time to get some metal Pathfinders off Ebay
Coyote81 wrote: So...odd question. with the release of the Xv15 finecast set. does that mean that they will be a different unit then the XV25 stealth team?
Perhaps the XV15s will have stealth and be troops, while the XV25 will be elites with stealth, shroud and have better upgrade options?
But with them being in the elite section on the website, i guess thats pretty much means I'm completely nuts. Or just a sad hopefully panda.
Maybe? It's be cool, but probably not.
The XV15s have always existed next to theXV25s... I honestly don't know why they still sell both models if they have the same ruleset. Not that I'm complaining, the SV15s are way cooler IMO, so if they keep them, I'm all for it.
Sorry to disappoint you,but their both in the elites section on GWs website.
Coyote81 wrote: So...odd question. with the release of the Xv15 finecast set. does that mean that they will be a different unit then the XV25 stealth team?
Perhaps the XV15s will have stealth and be troops, while the XV25 will be elites with stealth, shroud and have better upgrade options?
But with them being in the elite section on the website, i guess thats pretty much means I'm completely nuts. Or just a sad hopefully panda.
Maybe? It's be cool, but probably not.
The XV15s have always existed next to theXV25s... I honestly don't know why they still sell both models if they have the same ruleset. Not that I'm complaining, the SV15s are way cooler IMO, so if they keep them, I'm all for it.
Sorry to disappoint you,but their both in the elites section on GWs website.
Could it be possible that they just haven't moved them yet?
Coyote81 wrote: So...odd question. with the release of the Xv15 finecast set. does that mean that they will be a different unit then the XV25 stealth team?
Perhaps the XV15s will have stealth and be troops, while the XV25 will be elites with stealth, shroud and have better upgrade options?
But with them being in the elite section on the website, i guess thats pretty much means I'm completely nuts. Or just a sad hopefully panda.
Maybe? It's be cool, but probably not.
The XV15s have always existed next to theXV25s... I honestly don't know why they still sell both models if they have the same ruleset. Not that I'm complaining, the SV15s are way cooler IMO, so if they keep them, I'm all for it.
Sorry to disappoint you,but their both in the elites section on GWs website.
Could it be possible that they just haven't moved them yet?
Wouldn't be the first time they messed up the location on a unit on the website.
Well, pre-order confirms no new troop choices.
Hopefully Kroot and Firewarriors get new choices and customizations to make them somewhat upredicatble, or my previous post about "enemies tailoring their attacks on our predictable infantry" will be 100% true.
Hopefully the Ethereals, Darkstrider, and Fireblade alter and improve our troops enough to mix it up a bit...
All I want is to be good with a Tau infantry-focused army. ;_;
Scoring units can become unpredictable once you factor in allies. Scoring Nobz Bikers? Min-Necron Warriors inside Night Scythes? Two squads of 30 Shoota Boyz? 2 squads of BA Assault Marines?
There's so many choices with Tau. It's a win-win for anyone who is either Battle Brother or Ally of Convenience in the ally matrix.
Are you saying that you are ok with GW giving us, what appears to be, half of an update at a full update price... simply because the allies rules allow them to be half-assed and lazy? What about 7th ed when GW swings the other way and shuts the allies matrix down? What of our Tau then?
This has been one of my biggest concerns about 6th ed and it looks to be coming to pass. GW releasing "half 'dexes" in order to force more allying..
As to the models:
Do I see an easy A-10 conversion here?
Oh, no I do not see an easy conversion. Seriously, the wings and fuselage are one piece? Shakes head, "Well, at least it will be easy for the little kiddies to assemble".
Oh my, This is a busy fellow. Looks like it was designed by someone suffering from ADOS & CDO who was trying to merge every mech aesthetic ever into one model..
This guy is OK except for the ill-fitting shoulder pad, stupid high collar and that the model is not worth $5 - $10 more than a FW model.
These guys look good and am pleased with the number of options.
Farsight looks ok but if I am going to have to work with resin, again I'll go with FW.
Man, the only thing I like less than Fine Cast is the stupid high collar. Guess they are trying to get steam punk fans but the high collar/pilot cupola looks to retro for the Tau aesthetic.
Proportions are wrong,...maybe it is the WWE championship belt that it looks like he is wearing that throws off the symmetry. Meh, still too easy to convert so will save my money.
Again, easy to convert so, "Why spend the money?"
Love the Rapper/Techno DJ pose on this guy, but not enough to buy him. Think that combining old Tank commander with a new pathfinder might work
I think that these might end up being the best thing to come out of this update
4 plastic kits of which only 2 can be used to make a total of 3 new units
5 Finecast single models(None of seem to be new units in and of themselves...maybe FireBlade could count as a new unit)
So, Maybe 1 new choice for our normally lack-luster HQ's(Fire Blade)
1 new Elite (XV104)....what, now have a total of 3 elite choices??
No new troops.....so still stuck at 2
Over crowded Fast Attack get a what looks to be a *meh* Flier
Heavy supports swap good anti-heavy Tank for ok Anti-Flier........ and gain a *Meh* Bomber.
No new transports and the existing one gets survivability and movement nerfs.
Thing Tau fans wanted that looks like we won't get are:
option to build drone army drone
option to build a viable foot list with zero battlesuits
additional transport
real weapon options for transports
in codex Alien Auxilla build
I'm trying to be positive but unless the weapons get major buffs in range and strength we are in for another rough 8 years. As things stand, the news doesn't look promising unless you want to run 6 fliers. Really am hoping that we don't get stuck limited codex of 1-2 builds.
I want this book to come out soon, the more I try to think what GW might have done to try and balance this book, all come back to is some set of special allies rules that lets us take more troop allies then most armies are allowed to take. So at <2k pts we'll have something like 6 of our own troops and like another 4 allied troop options. Something that make us buy new Tau units and units from other codecies.
Thats the only thing that makes sense seeing that they gave us only 3 new HQs (With one redone HQ), 1 new elite, no troops, 2 new fast(mando fliers), and no new heavies (1 redone heavy and a heavy SC).
Had one last minute thought, did they leak the rules for Dark Strider? He may be the saving grace of the book if he makes pathfinders troops, effectively giving us our version of IG veterans for our Fire Warriors.(Hopefully BS4 as well)
Captain Avatar wrote: Love the Rapper/Techno DJ pose on this guy, but not enough to buy him.
I smell GWS's next video game licensing opportunity!
Anyway. I like the Tau Bomber a great deal more then before now that I can see it in 3D. Hell, I'd even keep the struts - I think if you relocated the winglets that are currently hidden under the main wings to the rearmost third of the struts, it would look great.
Hammerhead is $60? Hah.
Sidstyler wrote: Farsight looks fething awesome. I don't know about those streamers honestly, but I love the model. Shame it's Finecast and has a $50 price tag...that's a pretty big gamble.
I agree, but I think the streamers make the model, frankly. They look awesome.
I have played PURE Tau in 6th Ed and done pretty well without the need for Allies. I hate the Allies rule and will never use it. (non-comp scene I must add)
I keep Firewarriors in the back or in reserve/in Devilfish going flat out and focus on making sure NOTHING gets to my objectives or survives long enough if they do get to it. There are plenty of ways to get objectives without just going "I'M GOING TO SIT HERE ALL GAME AND I MUST BE SO TOUGH NOT TO DIE"
Really do not see the new Codex becoming "must take Allies" list. Jeez. It's the end of the world already :/
There was a sentence in the new WD regarding weapons "The Tau now have bigger, better weaponry and lots more of it" (something along those lines) so I'm pretty confident we will be fine :-)
Coyote81 wrote: I want this book to come out soon, the more I try to think what GW might have done to try and balance this book, all come back to is some set of special allies rules that lets us take more troop allies then most armies are allowed to take. So at <2k pts we'll have something like 6 of our own troops and like another 4 allied troop options. Something that make us buy new Tau units and units from other codecies.
Thats the only thing that makes sense seeing that they gave us only 3 new HQs (With one redone HQ), 1 new elite, no troops, 2 new fast(mando fliers), and no new heavies (1 redone heavy and a heavy SC).
Had one last minute thought, did they leak the rules for Dark Strider? He may be the saving grace of the book if he makes pathfinders troops, effectively giving us our version of IG veterans for our Fire Warriors.(Hopefully BS4 as well)
From what I had heard, no.
Plus, pathfinders wouldn't make very good troops. Only Carbines (which may get good, who knows), plus only 5+ armor, and bound to be more expensive than FWs.
After taking probably my 8th look at the new stuff i have come to the conclusion that my favourite kit is the pathfinders. For this reason alone.
>Dat trigger discipline
But that aside i think the only things i'll be getting from this release is the Codex, Pathfinders and maybe a riptide. Everything else can either be converted or gotten from Forgeworld for a better price. I may even skip the pathfinders and riptide if it turns out there are better options.
Has anyone else been able to download the iPad version of White Dwarf? Normally it pops up with new issue first thing (sometimes on Friday evening even), but this time? Nothing so far. Goddammit I want to read about my new shinies!
Happygrunt wrote: Ouch, those prices hurt. Especially on Farsight. Which sucks, because that is an awesome model.
Why did the firewarriors go up 1.25?
I do like the broadsides once I got a good look at them. And it is nice to see that crisis suits went down in price.
Four things that make me laugh about this whole release:
1.) Core units getting an almost 24% price increase without any change in the box make up (from $29.75 to $36.25). Other price increases throughout the model line as well.
2.) Reading the text on the Riptide saying that the overwhelming response was that players wanted new, BIGGER battlesuits. I could see the more battlesuits, but I'm sure the feedback wasn't to have a four-story walking building as a model.
3.) Seeing $701 and $880 bundles. Has GW really gone this crazy? We've moved from a game to GW thinking they are selling small cars for a business.
4.) $100 for a 96-pg. color codex? I just bought a 256-pg. full-color coffee-table size (9x12 pages) Atlas of Military History, with beautiful illustrations, maps and photographs throughout for $24.98 at Barnes & Noble.
Glad I sold my last army off a couple months ago and have finally given up on the GW plastic crack. The pricing has gone from ludicrous to absolutely insane.
Well, new Tau is on the website,.. and once again,.. the prices are absolutely over the top ridiculous,.. where i would pay 18 euros for a brand new tau commander battlesuit for 5th ed Tau,.. i now have to pay 34? WTH is up with that? Units look awesome though,..
I think some people are just taking things too literally. The codex probably says something about Tau not displaying really strong emotions and being cool and collected most of the time, and people have interpreted it as "Tau don't feel emotion. Ever." I'm reading Tau Empire again and don't see anything about "Tau not showing emotion", but funnily enough I did see, on page 2 no less, an image of a screaming fire warrior who doesn't look too unlike the pictured pathfinder model, so it seems like this is nothing new.
Reminds me of when the teaser came out and people acted like they were surprised, and that the whole galactic conquest angle is something "new" for Tau, when IT'S BEEN THERE ALL ALONG. Upon first contact they offer the hand of friendship, but it's in a "Resistance is futile"-kind-of-way. In fact that's what this suggests right here on page 10: "The Greater Good requires that all join together and acknowledge the guidance of the Ethereal caste, and this includes any and all races with whom the Tau come into contact. Perhaps unsurprisingly, few races are willing to surrender unreservedly, and so the Fire caste has gone to war on numerous occasions. Those worlds that will not willingly join the empire are dragged to the negotiating table under threat of annihilation. Those that remain openly defiant face obliteration under the orbital guns of the Air caste fleet."
So it just seems to me that there's a lot of misinformation about Tau, and that it's almost all caused by people who just haven't read their fluff.
Jadenim wrote: Has anyone else been able to download the iPad version of White Dwarf? Normally it pops up with new issue first thing (sometimes on Friday evening even), but this time? Nothing so far. Goddammit I want to read about my new shinies!
Sidstyler wrote: So it just seems to me that there's a lot of misinformation about Tau, and that it's almost all caused by people who just haven't read their fluff.
Well, I did hedge and say I didn't really know.
I wonder what the fluff will be like in the new book. To be honest I've always sort of been intrigued by Tau - perhaps they will be my next army to half-build and then abandon. If nothing else, I guess they could team up with my orks, right? The paintjob looks simple as well - basecoat, one strip of highlight....hmm.
Sigvatr wrote: I can only recommend everyone to NOT buy the codex. Don't buy it. Wait for a week or sth. Do not buy it.
Why? I need the Codex anyway to keep running my existing forces under the updated rules. My preorder will be the Codex and a box of the new Pathfinders.
I'm of course tempted to buy more, but it seems wiser to wait until I have the book in hand before committing, especially given what happened with the Dark Angel flyers. GW seems to have learned their lesson at least partially and has lowered the price on the Tau flyers, but it remains to be seen whether or not they will have improved their ability to write appropriately-priced flyer rules!
Also, interesting that prices on Pathfinders and Crisis Suits dropped with the new release, though prices on Broadsides, Farsight, and the Hammerhead rose, so you can't really consider this a price decrease as you would with the Dark Eldar or Necron releases.
Just ordered the (regular) Codex, 1 Riptide, 2 Bombers, 2 Broadsides, 1 Pathfinder team. With a sweet 30% off at my FLGS. But even at that discount I'm not paying for any Failcast or overpriced monopose plastic leaders.
Sigvatr wrote: I can only recommend everyone to NOT buy the codex. Don't buy it. Wait for a week or sth. Do not buy it.
Why? I need the Codex anyway to keep running my existing forces under the updated rules. My preorder will be the Codex and a box of the new Pathfinders.
I'm of course tempted to buy more, but it seems wiser to wait until I have the book in hand before committing, especially given what happened with the Dark Angel flyers. GW seems to have learned their lesson at least partially and has lowered the price on the Tau flyers, but it remains to be seen whether or not they will have improved their ability to write appropriately-priced flyer rules!
Also, interesting that prices on Pathfinders and Crisis Suits dropped with the new release, though prices on Broadsides, Farsight, and the Hammerhead rose, so you can't really consider this a price decrease as you would with the Dark Eldar or Necron releases.
I happily pre-ordered the codex, a flier and a riptide. Everything else thats new and shiny is stuff I can convert if I really "want" it. these two items, are nice looking models and with a little effort could be amazing models. Rule -wise I see them working out, one way or another, filling a niche we need. The Riptide provides a nice amount of firepwoer and is a bullet magnet that will survive quite a bit of firepower on a normal basis while still doing it's job, making my fliers and hammerheads safer in the long run. The bomber has template galore. I always want more templates when a shoddy S7 AP4 one. The idea of having S8 Ap2 templates makes me smile.
Sigvatr wrote: I can only recommend everyone to NOT buy the codex. Don't buy it. Wait for a week or sth. Do not buy it.
Why?
I can understand holding off on the models, I certainly wouldn't pre-order them till I had seen the rules in case they are a total flop, but if you intend to play the army you will be doing it with the new Codex, so why not get it right at release?
Also I have to say, I'm surprised by all the complaints about pricing, I understand being upset about increases to the Skyray kit, but everything else turned out pretty much as expected, I can't help but feel like everyone else forgets that Warhammer 40k is an expensive hobby between every new release, some really specific form of amnesia, only to be continually outraged. I mean I get it in so far as, I wish I could buy my stuff cheaper too, but as a reaction to a new release which is mostly priced in line with other kits of a similar scale, I don't really get the reaction.
Sidstyler wrote: I think some people are just taking things too literally. The codex probably says something about Tau not displaying really strong emotions and being cool and collected most of the time, and people have interpreted it as "Tau don't feel emotion. Ever." I'm reading Tau Empire again and don't see anything about "Tau not showing emotion", but funnily enough I did see, on page 2 no less, an image of a screaming fire warrior who doesn't look too unlike the pictured pathfinder model, so it seems like this is nothing new.
Reminds me of when the teaser came out and people acted like they were surprised, and that the whole galactic conquest angle is something "new" for Tau, when IT'S BEEN THERE ALL ALONG. Upon first contact they offer the hand of friendship, but it's in a "Resistance is futile"-kind-of-way. In fact that's what this suggests right here on page 10: "The Greater Good requires that all join together and acknowledge the guidance of the Ethereal caste, and this includes any and all races with whom the Tau come into contact. Perhaps unsurprisingly, few races are willing to surrender unreservedly, and so the Fire caste has gone to war on numerous occasions. Those worlds that will not willingly join the empire are dragged to the negotiating table under threat of annihilation. Those that remain openly defiant face obliteration under the orbital guns of the Air caste fleet."
So it just seems to me that there's a lot of misinformation about Tau, and that it's almost all caused by people who just haven't read their fluff.
Seems kinda disappointing to think that a lot of people don't read the fluff. Or at least read it well enough to understand the army. I can tell you that's the first thing I did when I got the last Tau codex is read it. Every last word, and multiple times. The reason I love 40k is the fluff. Otherwise I could play any mini war game.
The problem I have with allies and Tau is that really any army combination is valid fluff wise. Thanks to the pseudo-friendly nature of Tau diplomacy, there is always the option to join the empire. Which is kind of annoying because I'm not really a fan of non-fluffy allied combinations. Such as Tau player taking Orks just because they need troops ect.
I also don't like how Tau seemed to be the default "take as allies for some XV88s" and now it's gonna get worse with them getting skyfire. I hope that we see more full Tau armies and not just other armies with Tau allies because they needed to fill a hole in their list.
Jadenim wrote: Has anyone else been able to download the iPad version of White Dwarf? Normally it pops up with new issue first thing (sometimes on Friday evening even), but this time? Nothing so far. Goddammit I want to read about my new shinies!
nope its all broken atm...
Just so you guys know, they put the iOS codexes up for 'pre-order' on the itunes bookstore a week before you can actually download them. So it isn't broken and you can't actually purchase or download the codex until next week when everything actually goes on sale.
If you click on the Tau Codex selection in the itunes bookstore it tells you the actual date it will go on sale (April 6th).
So no getting a look at the codex early through iOS, sadly.
Jadenim wrote: Has anyone else been able to download the iPad version of White Dwarf? Normally it pops up with new issue first thing (sometimes on Friday evening even), but this time? Nothing so far. Goddammit I want to read about my new shinies!
nope its all broken atm...
Just so you guys know, they put the iOS codexes up for 'pre-order' on the itunes bookstore a week before you can actually download them. So it isn't broken and you can't actually purchase or download the codex until next week when everything actually goes on sale.
If you click on the Tau Codex selection in the itunes bookstore it tells you the actual date it will go on sale (April 6th).
So no getting a look at the codex early through iOS, sadly.
Except the post you quoted was regarding the White Dwarf
Pretty good WD this month actually, they seem to go into much more detail in the painting articles.
Most importantly though, the description from the battle report seems to suggest that a lot of the core Tau mechanics are still in place. Markerlights boosting BS and stripping cover saves, etc. Plus they keep emphasising that the Tau are enthusiastic, inclusive and a stark contrast to the gothic Imperium, so no major change in fluff direction either. Yay!
Samurai_Eduh wrote: After reading the battle report, it seems disruption pods went from granting cover saves to giving an invul save. awesome!
No not awesome. Even if they just kept it as giving stealth instead of shrouded it would've boosted the 5+ jink save (a risky save) to a full 4+. Personally I always felt that tau vehicles were a bit squishy for their prices so the 3+ if they moved was warranted especially since the shrouded was only outside of 12"
If disruption pods really got this heavy of a nerf my tetras will probably be pulled from use along with my hammer head so long as I can find a AV 14 killer substitute.
Samurai_Eduh wrote: After reading the battle report, it seems disruption pods went from granting cover saves to giving an invul save. awesome!
No not awesome. Even if they just kept it as giving stealth instead of shrouded it would've boosted the 5+ jink save (a risky save) to a full 4+. Personally I always felt that tau vehicles were a bit squishy for their prices so the 3+ if they moved was warranted especially since the shrouded was only outside of 12"
If disruption pods really got this heavy of a nerf my tetras will probably be pulled from use along with my hammer head so long as I can find a AV 14 killer substitute.
It looks damning, but maybe the mention of a "6" rolled for the save was just referring to the dice roll and not the required throw. I don't expect d pods to remain the auto- take option they are right now but I think they should at least grant stealth.
Jadenim wrote: No problem, it's all working now by the way.
Pretty good WD this month actually, they seem to go into much more detail in the painting articles.
Most importantly though, the description from the battle report seems to suggest that a lot of the core Tau mechanics are still in place. Markerlights boosting BS and stripping cover saves, etc. Plus they keep emphasising that the Tau are enthusiastic, inclusive and a stark contrast to the gothic Imperium, so no major change in fluff direction either. Yay!
Except for them updating it, removing it and me having to RE DOWNLOAD IT!!! curse you GW
So somebody noticed that in the pictures of one of the new Pathfinder Ion Rifles, there's a chunk of metal or crystal sitting in a hinged open hopper on the back of the gun.
Perhaps the ion rifles are an attempt to refine the use of Vespid energy crystals as weapons.
That would explain the overload rules. The crystals would be in a raw state, and exceeding safety limits would have a chance of shattering the crystal.
Im with you on the broadsides KK Spending upwards of £120 on 2 units before knowing what they can do?
Ill pass on that
I ordered pretty minimal for once.
codex - normal one.
2 fire warrior box's - unless paths become troops, im going to need these anyway.
Farsight - simply for the mini, because its the 1st one in a while im impressed with.
Commander suit - not too good, but its needed i guess.
1 box of crisis suits - going to need them.
1 riptide - great mini, may be useful, may not.
2 path finder box's - amazing models and markers are allways good.
Left heavy support out for now until i know what is what.
Longknife hammerhead, skyrays and broadsides tend to get expensive quickly, more so when your selling them for a better option lol.
Also, i think the broadsides being dropped to S8 is nice, because it opens up more choices.
Now i dont mind taking a piranha or 2 with fusions for tank hunting, because S8 against AV 14 isnt alot of use, more so on a slow moving model.
Well, I will get the codex. But from my FLGS. And I am not buying any new models. In fact I am going to sell most of my tau and just keep enough to have some ally options for their 'battle brother' space marines. LOL
This release at least has some models that I'm not looking at going "what the feth?" and I might buy something beyond just the codex.
I'm not sold on the flyer, but I do like the Riptide and Pathfinder team. The new Broadsides look cool, but as others have said they might be too rich for my blood since they're not a "new" unit and I have some of the classic ankle-breakers.
Something that really caught my attention during the BatRep was that Stealth Teams can take a homing beacon so Crisis suits do not scatter within 6" (I assume 6").
This pleases me greatly, especially with us being able to make our Jetpack move still in the assault phase. We could potentially do some nice strikes with this tactic. Another string to our bow so to speak.
The reflector shield thing seems a bit pointless - d6 S4 hits? Hmm...I guess it is a last ditch attempt at stopping the inevitable but hey ho.
The Ion weapons sound very interesting - The Interceptor Drones overloading for S8 Blast (not sure on AP) has some potential. Although did anyone notice that he said the Riptides Ion Cannon only became S8 when Overloaded? Hmm...I thought at least a 9. Maybe it has an awesome AP value. Either way good for toasting stuff.
Pre-ordered: Codex, Riptide and Longstrike. Depending on funds next week I will pre-order a flyer and maybe Darkstride and Pathfinders - SO happy they don't have to take Devilfish anymore. YES!!!
Sigvatr wrote: I can only recommend everyone to NOT buy the codex. Don't buy it. Wait for a week or sth. Do not buy it.
See this is smart.
You wanna know WHY GW gets away with their price hike during a horrid economy, where there are many who can not afford to get these things but still do.
It is ALL because everyone who buys from them confirms that no matter WHAT they sell, as long as they make it "look" interesting it will be bought.
So every time someone buys GW's product you are just confirming their business model while they laugh at all the money they are making.
No, the way it talks in the WD is that Longstrike just uses the normal 72" range of the hammerhead to shoot across the board. There is no indication that he extended the range.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Well, even if it is 48in or so, that is good.
Or they just decided to make the Rail gun even more OP
I.... disagree.
I can deal with Pathfinders losing a point of armor, heck that makes sense in both fluff and crunch. I also support the disruption pod's nerf. And I'm even 100% supportive of Broadsides getting a Heavy Rail Rifle with 8S instead of a 10S Railgun.
But you do not screw with the Rail Gun. That's the Tau's signature.
It used to be that their S10 AP1 72" range gun was the best in the game, that was what they had better than anyone else. Well, in recent codices, other teams have gotten their hands on S10 guns, so Tau's specialty has been feeling a bit less exclusive. But at least it retained it's godly range compared to others. But if we lose the range, what's so special about it?
I'll conceed that a 60" range is still damn good, I'd take 60" without too much of a fuss, but 48" on what used to be our trademark weapon? That... that almost makes me want to quit Tau... and I can't even beleive I'm saying that. But, if that did occur, we don't have anything really spectacular. And our weapon requires us to get close, which would make no sense for Tau...
I know, your speculation on 48" was just a number you pulled, I'm not taking it as Word of God. But 48" is absolutely unacceptable. I'm kind of shocked that anyone would consider that "still good".
The Ion weapons sound very interesting - The Interceptor Drones overloading for S8 Blast (not sure on AP) has some potential. Although did anyone notice that he said the Riptides Ion Cannon only became S8 when Overloaded? Hmm...I thought at least a 9. Maybe it has an awesome AP value. Either way good for toasting stuff.!!!
I don't think that the Nova reactor was ever actually used in the BR. He talks about overcharging the gun but never says he's using the nova reactor, so the S should have just been 8.
Archonate wrote: So, according to the new White Dwarf, Pathfinders now only have a 5+ armor save...
BOOOO!!!
My exciting plans to use 2 units of them are circling the drain... They better have shrouded or stealth or cost WAY less.
They've got special weapons options, markerlights, (probably defensive grenades), unique drone options and no longer require a Devilfish., they may be one or two points less, but I highly doubt they'll be "WAY" less.
Archonate wrote: So, according to the new White Dwarf, Pathfinders now only have a 5+ armor save...
BOOOO!!!
My exciting plans to use 2 units of them are circling the drain... They better have shrouded or stealth or cost WAY less.
They've got special weapons options, markerlights, (probably defensive grenades), unique drone options and no longer require a Devilfish., they may be one or two points less, but I highly doubt they'll be "WAY" less.
In general, paying points for access to options that you might not use isn't a very good deal.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Get aegis, put behind aegis, 4+ cover.
OR better yet, TETRAS!!!!!
Not a bad idea, but if I'm paying for infiltration or whatever mobility bonus they get, as well as long range support weapons, I'd rather they not simply serve on the firing line, ya know?
hotsauceman1 wrote: Get aegis, put behind aegis, 4+ cover.
OR better yet, TETRAS!!!!!
Not a bad idea, but if I'm paying for infiltration or whatever mobility bonus they get, as well as long range support weapons, I'd rather they not simply serve on the firing line, ya know?
Not to mention a variety of obscene special weapons and drones (which i assume will boost cover or something similar)
Access to exclusive wargear is not the problem. They always had that. Survivability is the problem. PFs are the same as FWs, only they have markerlights. That's why they were 12 pts compared to the FWs 10 pts.
Only now, where FWs get a 50% chance of surviving small arms fire, PFs have 0% chance... But they have a markerlight. I think they should now cost less than FWs. 6 pts maybe?
I mean it's no secret that their stats are awful. Tau infantry has always been that way, but they had an armor save vs. small arms fire, which is impressive for a non-MEQ army.
Take away that save and you just have infantry with horrible stats. 6 pts seems pretty fair.
A cover-boosting Drone option could redeem them, but simply having the OPTION should not raise the cost of the infantry. That's what the cost of the upgrade itself represents.
spacewolf407 wrote: To those that picked up the latest White Dwarf, how is the overall content?
It's better then past issues, but still suffers the same problems. The big difference is this weeks battle report has some actual effort in it, and Jeremy Vetock wrote an article that actually made me laugh a bit (the one about "curses in wargaming").
It's a shame that Jervis and Jeremy seem like cool guys and entusiastic wargamers, but GW execs keeps fething everything over.
Ordered the riptide and XV88 from Dark Sphere. I'm always impressed with them. Was getting ready to break my embargo on Wayland for 30% off when I checked Dark Sphere and found they were only £3.39 more expensive at their usual, always-going-to-be-there prices.
I'll be off to Salisbury next Saturday (my nearest GW) to pick up my codex. By this time next weekend I hope to have most of a Battlescribe catalogue authored..
Before then: Paint my IG infantry, colour scheme test a bunch of FW and Stealth suits, get more excited for a hopefully more flexible Tau that wont be relegated to a 6th edition mercenary force.
Archonate wrote: Access to exclusive wargear is not the problem. They always had that. Survivability is the problem. PFs are the same as FWs, only they have markerlights. That's why they were 12 pts compared to the FWs 10 pts.
Only now, where FWs get a 50% chance of surviving small arms fire, PFs have 0% chance... But they have a markerlight. I think they should now cost less than FWs. 6 pts maybe?
I mean it's no secret that their stats are awful. Tau infantry has always been that way, but they had an armor save vs. small arms fire, which is impressive for a non-MEQ army.
Take away that save and you just have infantry with horrible stats. 6 pts seems pretty fair.
A cover-boosting Drone option could redeem them, but simply having the OPTION should not raise the cost of the infantry. That's what the cost of the upgrade itself represents.
Dream on man, 6 pts for infiltrating infantry with awesome support weapons and drones and st5 weaponry stock.... that would be rather idiotic. It's not like you wouldn't put these guys in terrain as standard practice anyways so they will usually have at least a 5++ or a 4++ if you go to ground. I thought it was stupid that the lighter armored pathfinders had a similar save to FW before, this makes much more sense. I'll agree that they should go down to between 8-10 pints but 6 would be ridiculous.
Besides why has no one learned to wait for the fething codex in hand, if they could have stealth and move through cover....or they could suck so people will field sunsharks rather then use a model that's been out for 12 years lol.
Sidstyler wrote: So it just seems to me that there's a lot of misinformation about Tau, and that it's almost all caused by people who just haven't read their fluff.
Actually, there is a lot more official fluff than these 2 sentences, and a whole Codex before that Codex (plus BFG rules, BL novels). And these 2 sentences are the only instance trying to make a 180 degree fluff change from what the original designers intended. It's like Codex Grey Knight with 2 sentences showing them making a Khorne Blood ritual or Ordo Xenos hiring Jokaeroes as weaponsmiths: Some veterans ignore stupid stuff added just to appease customers who want everyone in the 40k universe to be psychotic rabid mass murderers. But all that is off topic here and has been discussed to death in Tau threads. We will see what this COdex comes up with.
Ouze wrote:
Captain Avatar wrote: Love the Rapper/Techno DJ pose on this guy, but not enough to buy him.
I smell GWS's next video game licensing opportunity!
Get a Daft Punk bundle with this kit and exchange the Lord with Longstrike
Sidstyler wrote: So it just seems to me that there's a lot of misinformation about Tau, and that it's almost all caused by people who just haven't read their fluff.
Actually, there is a lot more official fluff than these 2 sentences, and a whole Codex before that Codex (plus BFG rules, BL novels). And these 2 sentences are the only instance trying to make a 180 degree fluff change from what the original designers intended. It's like Codex Grey Knight with 2 sentences showing them making a Khorne Blood ritual or Ordo Xenos hiring Jokaeroes as weaponsmiths: Some veterans ignore stupid stuff added just to appease customers who want everyone in the 40k universe to be psychotic rabid mass murderers. But all that is off topic here and has been discussed to death in Tau threads. We will see what this COdex comes up with.
Ouze wrote:
Captain Avatar wrote: Love the Rapper/Techno DJ pose on this guy, but not enough to buy him. I smell GWS's next video game licensing opportunity!
Get a Daft Punk bundle with this kit and exchange the Lord with Longstrike
1. We don't know that.
2. 48 inches plus 12 inches deployment plus 12 inches movement means you could still shoot nearly anywhere on the table on move 1.
3. LoS obstacles can stop shooting however long range the weapon might be.
Archonate wrote: Access to exclusive wargear is not the problem. They always had that. Survivability is the problem. PFs are the same as FWs, only they have markerlights. That's why they were 12 pts compared to the FWs 10 pts.
Only now, where FWs get a 50% chance of surviving small arms fire, PFs have 0% chance... But they have a markerlight. I think they should now cost less than FWs. 6 pts maybe?
I mean it's no secret that their stats are awful. Tau infantry has always been that way, but they had an armor save vs. small arms fire, which is impressive for a non-MEQ army.
Take away that save and you just have infantry with horrible stats. 6 pts seems pretty fair.
A cover-boosting Drone option could redeem them, but simply having the OPTION should not raise the cost of the infantry. That's what the cost of the upgrade itself represents.
I almost ended this post by saying "But I'm not gonna stress until I see the actual codex."
But I decided to refrain from stating the obvious to see who was cliche enough to get all wound up about me having a concern before the codex is out...
Like I said, it may be a justified change, redeemed by other means.
Edit: So I'm not going to stress before the Codex is out.*
(*for those who don't understand that this goes without saying.)
I've always liked the Tau, but the price point of the new stuff is a strong disincentive to actually use them.
The pathfinders look like good value, and the reboxed crisis suits are fine (and probably immune to the annual price increase, being "new"), but the rest, dear god.
I don't buy the Hammerhead/Skyray kit being 60, when the Leman Russ already includes the bits for three/four variants, depending on which box you get, and is $50, Farsight is frightfully priced for a finecast customized crisis suit, same for the generic commander, and the Riptide, oh my. When we already have the dreadknight (awful aesthetic aside) with a ton of weapon options and detail, at the same general size, why is the Riptide $30 more?
There really isn't any draw for me with the new release, not even as an allied force that wouldn't just be firewarriors, crisis suits and the cheapest commander I can find.
It also seems odd in comparison to the Daemon release, which for the most part, had pretty reasonable prices, and is further odd when the Pathfinders seem to be genuinely good value. I just don't get GW's pricing structure sometimes.
Also, one-click bundles continue to anger me, almost irrationally so. Every time I see them on GW's site, or even mentioned, I get angry, moreso than I have any reason to be. They just infuriate me enormously, and represent a corporate strategy without any apparent sense. But that's a discussion for another day.
Archonate wrote: So, according to the new White Dwarf, Pathfinders now only have a 5+ armor save...
BOOOO!!!
Finally! It always bugged me that they had the same save as the Fire Warriors, who obviously are wearing much heavier armour. Why would FWs strap on all that extra gear if much lighter pathfinder armour would work just as fine?
I'm so anxious to know what Farsight does this time around, love the character and may start a new army (sold my Orky guard a few years ago), and would love to do renegade/survivor Tau + Kroot Hybrids with Farsight or so.
Dakkadood wrote: I'm so anxious to know what Farsight does this time around, love the character and may start a new army (sold my Orky guard a few years ago), and would love to do renegade/survivor Tau + Kroot Hybrids with Farsight or so.
In the previous Codexes, Farsight didn't have access to Kroot or Vespid as he is not part of the Empire. Regardless, he is indeed a great direction for a Tau army. I wonder if he'll be prohibited from using Ork allies as they have been his main foe.
How so?
I have just been to GW site and you can order it now.
Unless you are saying me that they will release it in a week.
Wow, kinda missed the whole GW selling of new release products process have you.... 1 week prior to release to the public is a preorder. Next release... 1 week prior to release to the public is a preorder... rinse and repeat...
